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Clueless Museums (was: Final Xerox Star demo)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I've begun to feel that anyone who got into Field Circus work after <'83 or so shouldn't be allowed any tools trickier than a screwdriver. As someone that developed service planning and service products I'd agree generally, 60% did not have the concept fo troubleshooting and were only fair board swappers. However the remaining people tended to be highly skilled with pride in their ability, most were very competent in troubleshooting. There were many I'd go to for practical expertize as the Ivory tower folk were far to isolated for my taste. Allison

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Former Disk Costs (was: 32 bit Macs (was Atari hard ))

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I've seen TeX compiled by Turbo Pascal (TeX is written in Web, which can <be converted into Pascal). IIRC it had to be split into sections to get <over the 64K code limit of TP. I still have problems with the idea of <running it _with enough space for the various variables_ in a 64K machin The conversion process and pascal compiler adds weight. <LaTeX is just a set of macros that run on top of TeX. I can assure you I <know the difference. And how early? Before TeX82? 1979. <TeX in itself has no idea what a printer is. It produces a DVI file whic <is essentially a binary file describing which characters and 'rules' <(lines) have to be put where. There's a printer driver which takes a DVI <file and outputs the code for whatever printer you have. Understood. Did a lot of work in printing for DEC and none slower than 12ppm. The DVI is essentially a bit map and as a result for godd page can be quite big. However the virtual window to disk file works and is adaquately fast. Allison

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3.5 domestic sunbin 68020 1/4" tape

by akcampb＠ibm.net

Hello, I picked up a box with this Sun OS on 8 tapes. 3.5 domestic sunbin 68020 (boot format). 5 tapes 1.1 SunIPC-M sunbin 68010 (tar) 1.1 SunIPC-M sunbin 68020 (tar) SCSI3 PATCH SUNBIN 68020 (tar)--hand written on box "Do Not Install Patch with V. 3.5." At present I can not use these tapes and do not know if they work. I would *love* to score some cards for this MicroVax II (630QB-A2) that had all the cards removed before I could get to it. Perhaps someone would like to trade parts and/or knowledge for software? The tapes are in what looks like an original box and really want to find a good home. I also seem to have an extra C64, Wang PC3, and an assortment of 8-bit PC cards. Thanks Andy Campbell akcampb(a)ibm.net

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Service Note: M4 Data 9914

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Although the hardware I'm mentioning is not in itself 'classic,' the technology of 9-track tape certainly is. Forgive me if this seems off-topic, but I'm trying to spare anyone else lucky enough to nab one or more M4 Data 9914 tape drives some grief. There is a potential problem spot in the early production (pre-1992, as I recall) power supply boards to watch out for with these drives. The +12 rail is supplied by an LM350 in a TO-3 case. The leads from the 350 are joined to a three-pin Molex connector that is then plugged into a matching male header on the regulator board. I've seen two failure modes in this design to date. 1). Failure of the regulator. Symptoms include initial startup OK, followed by the +12 rail dropping to about 8.4 volts after no more than three minutes. If the regulator output is examined with an O-scope, one will see an AC potential of about 1.6 MHz at nearly two volts peak-to-peak. Also of note is that the regulator gets a lot warmer than normal, as does the bridge diode module supplying the regulator's input. I've been told by M4's service department that the most common fix for this is to replace capacitor C10 on the regulator board. There is also an alternative cure, specifically replacing the LM350 with a Motorola MC78T12 in a TO-220 case (doesn't seem to be available in a TO-3). Note that it is CRITICAL to use the 78T12, not a standard 7812. The 'T' version has an output current rating of 3 amps, vs. the 1A rating of the standard 7812. The +12 rail in these drives pulls about 2A under normal operation. 2). Poor contact in the three-pin connector, which results in overheating and connector burning. I saw this in the drive I got most recently. Since I lacked a suitable replacement connector, I merely removed the male header and the burned female connector, and then soldered the wires directly to the pads. Post-1992 drives have, I'm told, a completely redesigned power supply that addresses these issues. Caveat emptor! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Early Mac Clones

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>I made a timely find today of the first edition of _Build Your Own >Macintosh and Save a Bundle_. In Chapter 2 it has a price comparison >between the clone "Cat" Mac and the real Mac. The computers it lists are: > >Cat Mac SE >Cat Mac SE 30 >Cat Mac II >Cat Mac IIfx >Cat Mac IIcx >Cat Mac IIci I was referring to the actual clones. I'm not sure where it is in your book, but in my 2nd edition, if you look at Chapter 11, Cat Mac builder alternatives, you will see mention of the Mac clones Zane listed. Tom Owad

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Early Mac Clones

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

But did Apple license this stuff or were they clean-room type clones? Where did the user get an OS? >>I made a timely find today of the first edition of _Build Your Own >>Macintosh and Save a Bundle_. In Chapter 2 it has a price comparison >>between the clone "Cat" Mac and the real Mac. The computers it lists are: >> >>Cat Mac SE >>Cat Mac SE 30 >>Cat Mac II >>Cat Mac IIfx >>Cat Mac IIcx >>Cat Mac IIci > >I was referring to the actual clones. I'm not sure where it is in your >book, but in my 2nd edition, if you look at Chapter 11, Cat Mac builder >alternatives, you will see mention of the Mac clones Zane listed. > >Tom Owad > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Clueless Museums (was: Final Xerox Star demo)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Do phones count? >I've begun to feel that anyone who got into Field Circus work after >'83 or so shouldn't be allowed any tools trickier than a screwdriver. > >Bill >ex-DEC Field Circus 1981-86 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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FS: Apple programs, books, etc

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

Hi Joe, I'm interested in Catalyst. Let me know what you want for it (along with the Lisa). Sincerely, Tom Owad >Quark Catalyst IIe, Program selector for Apple IIe. (disks and book)

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FS: Apple programs, books, etc

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I have the following Apple II stuff for sale for the best offer. Everything is in perfect condition. If you're interested contact me privately. I don't have ANY Apple stuff that's not listed here. Joe Codex Training Program: Manage your Business with MultiPlan. (disks, book and box) MS Multi-Tool Financial Statement. (disks and book) Quark Catalyst IIe, Program selector for Apple IIe. (disks and book) MicroRef Quick Reference Guide (Word Perfect) DOS? Perfect Link Telecommunications SW (disks, book and box) PFS File Database Management. (disks, book and box) PFS Convert 2 disks only PFS Write Word Processor (disks, book and box) PFS Graph Presentation Graphics (disks, book and box) PFS Report generator (disks, book and box) Hacker game (disks and book) One-on-One basketball game. (disks and book) Apple Logo computer language. (disks, book and box) Super Calc 3a (disks, book and box) Money Street checkbook financial system (disks, book and box) Apple IIe Technical Reference Manual, hard cover ~390 pages Jeeves, personal desktop organizer. (disks, book and box) Computing with the Apple, softcover book Alpha Graph, pie and bar charting program. (disks and book) TaxVision, tax planner. (disks and book) Mostly BASIC, Applications for your Apple II. ~160 page book The Best Apple Software. By Editors of Consumer’s Guide. ~165 page book MultiPlan for the Apple II Plus and IIe. (Training Guide). (disks and book) Inside Apple ProDOS. ~305 page book MS MultiPlan. (disks and book) Sideways. (disks and book) The Sider (manual and disks no hardware) Apple Machine Language for Beginners by Compute ~430 page book The Apple Personal computer for Beginners. ~240 page book Practical Pascal Programs. ~205 page book Minute Manual for PFS: File, Report, Graph, Write The Endless Apple. ~ 270 page book Vanloves Apple II/III Software Directory. a BUNCH of pages The BASIC Conversions HandBook for Apple, TRS-80 and Pet Users. ~80 page book Apple II Super Serial Card User’s Manual (two of them) Apple II AppleMouse II User’s Manual Apple Works Quick Reference Card Apple II DOS User’s Manual Apple II e ProDos Supplement to the Apple II e Owner’s Manual Apple II ProDos User’s Manual Image Writer Owner’s Manual Image Writer User’s Manual. Part I: Reference Image Writer User’s Manual. Part II: Guide to Apple II Apple IIe Design Guidelines Apple II 80 Column Text Card Manual Apple II Extended 80 Column Text Card Supplement (two of them) Apple II AppleSoft BASIC Programmer’s Reference Manual Vol I Apple II AppleSoft BASIC Programmer’s Reference Manual Vol II Apple II DOS Programmer’s Manual Apple II AppleWorks Reference manual Apple II AppleWorks Tutorial Apple II e Owner’s Manual Apple II e Owner’s Manual (different from the first one, two of these) Apple DUODISK Owner’s Manual Apple Pascal Operating System Reference Manual Apple Pascal Language Reference manual Apple Diskware Apple Pascal (three disk set) Apple II Apple Soft Tutorial for the II e Only Apple II Super Serial Card Installation and Operating Manual MicroSoft Multi-Tool Budget for the Apple II & II e. (With manual and disk in the original plastic box. It doesn’t look like it was ever opened.) And I'll throw in: Texas Instruments Computer Program Writing Workbook

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VCF2 Announcement

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Are transcripts from VCF1 (and VCF2 for that matter) speakers going to be available for sale? Please let me know cost and where to remit payment if so. Thanks, Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: VCF2 Announcement Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 6/7/98 2:12 AM ___________________________________________________________________________ | | | .================================================================. | | // ______ o_ ___________ \\ | | // / \ \ o o o o o o | ____ \ \\ | | H / | | | | | | | | | | \ \ \\ | | H / ____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|___ \ \ `=o | | H | | | \ \ | | H | | The Premier Event for Computer Enthusiasts is Back! | \ \__ | | H | | | \ | | | H o | V I N T A G E C O M P U T E R F E S T I V A L |__ \ o | | H | | \ \ | | H \ - VCF2 - | \ `-o | | H | |\ `----o | | H | September 26-27, Santa Clara Convention Center | `-------o | | H / Santa Clara, California | | | H | | | | H | Speakers, Exhibit and Flea Market | | | H | | | | H | O http://www.siconic.com/vcf | | | H |_____________________________________________________| ____o | | H | | | | | | | | | | / | | H | | | | | | | | | |______/ | | H============' | | | | | | | |_________________ | | H / | | \ \ \ |_____________________ | | | H / / | `-o \ \ || | | H o___________/ / \______ \ \ || | | H o \_____|____|___________________ || | | H ____________________________ | | || | | H | | | The S P E A K E R S | || | | `=| Why would YOU come to the | __| |___|| | | _| Vintage Computer Festival? | | | | | | | |____________________________| |-David Rutland | | | | |__________________________________| | | | | ________________________ ___| On the National Bureau of |__ | | | | || || || | / | Standards Western Automatic | | | | .-| To Learn the History |--' | Computer (SWAC). Mr. Rutland | | | | | |__||_||_||______________| | worked under Harry D. Huskey | | | | o ________________________ ___| to create the control unit |____| | | | || || || | / | for this little known but | | | o-| For the Nostalgia |--' | historically significant | | | |__||_||_||______________| | computer. | | | o ________________________ \______| |___o | | | | || || || | | | | | `-| To Hear the Speakers |-._____| FEATURED SPEAKER | o | | |__||_||_||______________| | | / | | ________________________ ____|-Ray Holt |___/ | | | || || || |__/ | | | | .-|To Buy Vintage Computers|-------| Who really invented the |-----o | | | |__||_||_||______________| | first microprocessor? Guess | | | o ________________________ ______| again. The answer will stun |_____ | | | || || || |/ | you. This designer of the | | | | o-|For the Games & Contests|--. | JOLT and developer of the | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \___| classic Synertek SYM-1 sin- | | | | ________________________ __| gle-board computer will re- |_____| | | | || || || | | veal why computer history | | | | o-|To Meet Other Collectors|-o | may need to be re-written. | | | | |__||_||_||______________|___ | | | | | ________________________ \___| |__o | | | | || || || | | * speaker list as of 6/1/98 | | | | o-| To Meet the Pioneers |---. | ____ O | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \ |____________/ \____________| | | | ________________________ \ | | | | || || || | \ | | | .-| For the Prizes! |----. \________________________________o | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \ | | | | \__________________________________ | | | o o________ \ | | | ,=============o \ ______________________________ | | | | // | o__ \ | | | | | | H ___________|________ \ \___| The W O R K S H O P S |___| | | | H | | \ | | | | | H \ Philosophy of the / \ | | | | | H | Vintage Computer |___ \___|-Tom Geller |_____| | | H | Festival... | \ | | | | H / \ \ | Whether you're into game | | | H | The main mission | \_____| consoles, handheld devices, |____o | | H | of the Vintage | | arcade machines or personal | | | H | Computer Festival | | computers, there's a Mac- | | | H | is to promote the |__________| based emulator for you. |____o | | H | preservation of | | | | | H | "obsolete" compu- | | | | | H | ters by offering- | ___| * workshop list as of 6/1/98 |_____ | | H | attendees a chance | / | ____ O | H | | H | to experience the | / |____________/ \____________| H | | H | technologies, peo- | / H | | H | ple and stories | | H | | H | that embody the- | | H | | H | remarkable tale of | | __ ___ __________________ H | | H | the computer revo- | | | |__| | | H | | H | lution. | | | |Someone lucky will|==-----H | | H |____________________| | | | go home with an | H | | H | / | _ | | H | | H o o_/ | (_) | IMSAI 8080 |==--o H | | H _________________________ | | | H | | H o__| VCF2 S P O N S O R S | | | See the VCF web | H | | H | www.haggle.com | | __ | page for details |==--o H | | H____| Dr. Dobb's Journal | |__| |___|__________________| H | | H |_________________________| H | | \\ // | | `=====================================================================' | | | | V2.0 rev 1 http://www.siconic.com/vcf (C) SICONIC 1998 | |___________________________________________________________________________| _ Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. 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Former Disk Costs (was: 32 bit Macs (was Atari hard ))

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Right, but consider the other stuff. You need postscript, preferrably a program for previewing the dvi file before printing, etc. I think my pentium is faster ;) But that wasn't my original question. Does anyone on this list actually use a REALLY old unusual machine like IMSAI, CoCo, C64, Apple ][, etc. as their major word processing system (unusual compared to Tony's AT)? >Not so. Runs fairly well on similar machines. DRI evern did a version >of tex for CP/M. Have the manual and software. > >Personally I used runoff a lot, it was quite fast. > >Allison > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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680x0's, Towers, & Serendipity

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> I haven't looked at that NG for awhile. The 400 series towers were >> under the distinct diadvantage that there was no (official) support >> for TCP/IP. I was lucky enough to get an ethernet board with my '700 - I've run up XDM on the 700 before and then connected to it from an old '486 PC running Linux just for the hell of it. :) > > > [ OS tapes ] >> You know, I had the address of a vendor that could get you those; >> unfortunately, though, they wanted an arm and a leg for it >:-P. well you could get them through NCR when I last looked (about three years ago now), but they wanted something like 800 dollars US for them, which seemed a little on the expensive side for a ten year old machine that wasn't ever going to be used for anything profitable!! :) >> I got the tapes for my machine, but NCR states vehemently that they >> *cannot* be copied. I don't believe this, of course (how did they >> write the tape in the 1st place?), but I dont' know how you would >> copy them. I'd agree with you there - surely a raw copy of the tape would work. Maybe there was code in the OS to prevent you from reading raw from an OS tape or something, but I'd assume that it could just be copied on another Unix machine. > >> The tower actually *boots* from the tape during install! Is that >> crazy or what? >from what I've seen a lot of Unix machines will do this for diagnostic / install purposes. It's one of those things that reminds me how much I hate modern PCs... Think the best I can do with my 700 is hook the disks up under Linux or something (they're SCSI on the 700, not MFM) and do a raw dump on the disk. In theory I suppose I could then find an identical drive from somewhere and restore the system... (Has anyone ever tried this!?) cheers Jules > > >Jeff > >> mind you, last time I tried to power up the machine it was completely >> dead. I only had a few minutes so checked obvious fuses etc, but without >> any luck. Hopefully something simple - I don't fancy trying to trace a >> fault on one of those system boards :*) >> > >> >> cheers >> >> Jules >> >

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680x0's, Towers, & Serendipity was:Stupid lusers...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Cool!!! (And to think that I nearly paid $50 for one of those Sharps...) BTW, find any A2 software? Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kaneko <Jeff.Kaneko(a)ifrsys.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 1:16 AM Subject: 680x0's, Towers, & Serendipity was:Stupid lusers... You know, serendipidy is a funny thing. I was at a flea market on Sunday looking for some Apple ][ software, when this guy comes walking into the booth bearing an ATT 7300 UnixPC (and a C-64). He asks the proprietor what he'll give for this 'stuff'. The prop. looks at the 'stuff', offers him $15 for the Commodore, and when asked about the 7300 says: "Nope, cant offer you anything for it. Can't use it. Too dumb." Hm. So I offers the guy $5. "I had no idea 7300's were so *heavy*", I thought as I later hefted it into the trunk of my car. Anyways, I also have a 400 series Tower (as mentioned in the exerpt below), and lots of spare boards (including the meter-long systemboard). I could have purchased a 68020 conversion kit for my tower from WierdStuff in San Jose (this was back in the days when they carried actually interesting material), but I didn't have the bucks. Jeff > >> The MC68010 is the heart of my favorite computer ever, the AT&T Unix PC > >> (built by Convergent Technologies). I've got three, two work fine, one > >> is for parts. _Still_ the prettiest machines in my collection. > > Do you mean the NCR Tower series? Or was this some other offering by > AT&T? I seem to remember that the old Tower 400's had 68010's - I've > still got a few boards somewhere for one (system board was about 1 metre > long and half a metre high!). I've got a complete Tower 700 with a 68030 > as main CPU, and performance still rates really highly even these > days...) > > > Jules > >

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those amigas....

by poesie＠geocities.com

Ahhh... hehe... neglected to mention I am in the twin cities (minneapolis/st paul.) Don't know if they have video toasters but if they do I'm going to get all of them. PS. I date more or less around the Apple II... first computer I ever had was a C64. I guess I've missed all the fun. -Eric

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Stupid lusers...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I got a 68010 chip today... On a visit to my pile at SSI, I saw a sadly disfigured rack out back. Went to have a look at it. It was a PBX, based off a PDP-8 and some custom boards. The top part of the rack, the 8, and most of those custom boards were completely destroyed. Seems the cleaning morons, when told to move the rack elsewhere, decided to pitch it in the trash compactor. Rack proved stronger than trash compactor, and they gave up, picked it out of the compactor, and left. The 8 is now a mini-mini computer. It's too damaged to deal with. I pried the lid off and looked inside, the backplane was demolished, and the cards were mashed to 1/2 height. I couldn't even remove them from the case. Good thing is, the custom boards were the intersting parts. I got a 68010 chip and some miscellaneous socketed chips. There was a few Texas Instruments boards, those were trash. Split in half. I picked at it for awhile, stole the ROMs and some ribbon cables, and left it. Anyway, What's a 68010 do? Anyone have pinouts/assembler refrences/etc? Can I make it do something interesting? -------

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old Amiga systems w/ vid capture?? feature and separate hdd.....

by icyblackhand＠hotmail.com

Depending on where you live (Shipping and handling). I'd like one. I'm in NJ.

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old Amiga systems w/ vid capture?? feature and separate hdd.....

by poesie＠geocities.com

forgive my lack of knowledge on these, have only heard of them from my brother who goes to an art school. they are ditching a roomful of amigas w/ external hdd's at the end of the year, which have some pretty extensive video editing hardware as well? i will try to find out more, including what they actually ARE, but if anyone is interested please let me know. i will see what i can do! -Eric

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Lisa 2 running Xenix?

by dastar＠wco.com

What was the consensus we came up with regarding Xenix running on a Lisa? Whatever it was, I saw a Lisa 2 today running Xenix (well, I didn't actually see it run, but the owner said he had Xenix running on it). Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 05/30/98]

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Early Mac Clones

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>I think that's the same book I've got a copy of around here. Interesting >reading, but I've basically never seen any of that stuff anywhere. Though >I found it really interesting, has anyone ever seen a Mac Plus or simular >system recased into a PC case? It would be a fun project, but I've got to >many other projects :^) > >The closest I've got to a Mac clone (I'm writting this on a PowerMac >8500/180) is a Amiga 3000 with emulation software. The Amiga is actually >about as fast as the real thing. What edition do you have? My 2nd edition book says a listing of clones is given in edition 1, as oppose to just saying they exist. I'd love to get a list of old Mac clones. >Just to ask... do you have the ISBN for that? I'm interested... ;-) The book is: _Build Your Own Macintosh and Save a Bundle_ by Bob Brant, Windcrest/McGraw-Hill. ISBN# 0-8306-3974-8. List price $19.95. It's a great book. Tom Owad

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Jacqard 500 computers rescued...ugh!

by K.J.Whitehead＠massey.ac.nz

well I rescued 3 J500 computers and a 20meg removable drive unit. I understand why people collect stamps now.....they take a damn sight less room. Can any one tell me a bit about the units (I did get the manuals...but they are now in storage) Opening one case quickly did not reveal a processor...were they a bit slice job ? Any how I will investigate more later. BTW the drive unit measures about 3"x2"x2" and weighs a hell of a lot...hence the ugh and another step down the road to a massive hernia. Had to pass on the diablo printers for this lot at this stage (shame on me!...but storage is at a premium) so now my collection consists of 3 TRS80 model 1 2 TRS80 model 3 2 TRS80 model 4P 3 Systems 80 (same as the genie) 2 Sinclair QL 1 Amiga 600HD 1 Amiga 1200 1 Altos system (drives,tape units,processor,etc,etc,etc) 1 Nascom (with german DOS, hard sectored drive) 1 Kaypro 4 1 Kaypro 10 1 TI 99/4 12 Polycorp Poly computers (designed and made in New Zealand) 1 Polycorp server unit (z80 and 6809 with 2 8" drives and serial network) 3 Jacqaurd J500 1 Apple 2e 1 Cromenco 1 Amstrad 8256 1 Amstrad 6128 1 MSX and various Misc machines I can't remember at the moment. Oh I have a hell of a lot of manuals and books on the various beasts as well, however I have NO parking left in my shed which required a lot a cleaning to fit the J500s in. I also have a collection of large numbers of floppy drives, monitors,accessories (like atari IR joystick controllers, cromenco joystick,etc). Happy collecting k.j.whitehead(a)massey.ac.nz Keith Whitehead Electronics Technician Electronics Services Institute of Fundamental Sciences Massey University Palmerston North New Zealand 5301

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FW: Q-Bus Cards available

by SpamDelendaEst＠my-dejanews.com

Fellow's looking to get rid of some Q-bus cards. Despite his listed prices (I'd wager he'll let them go for a heck of a lot less), it looks like he's just going to trash the stuff if they're not bought. If interested, contact him directly. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: cfchiesa(a)cyber1.servtech.com (christopher f. chiesa) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec Subject: Q-bus Cards FS Date: 7 Jun 1998 19:24:01 -0400 Organization: ServiceTech, Inc. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <6lf7eh$4nk(a)cyber1.servtech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cyber1.servtech.com Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeeder.servtech.com!post.servtech.com!cyber1.servtech.com!not-for-mail Xref: blushng.jps.net comp.os.vms:3070 comp.sys.dec:1075 Hello, all... Apologies in advance if any of the following is inappropriate in either content or presentation; if it is, feel free to TELL me, but please use e-mail and please be gentle! After cannibalizing a disused MicroVAX III, I'm left with several "ex- cess" Q-bus cards (see list below) and thought I'd see if anyone here would like to buy any of 'em. If not, out to the curb they go, a week from this Wednesday or maybe sooner. As a VERY GENERAL guideline of what these cards "are worth," my list shows prices I found on a "DEC reseller" Website, which prices I assume to be relatively "current." However, because these cards are used, and because I don't really know their condition (operating/not), A) I don't expect to receive these prices and will entertain "any reasonable offer," and B) if you buy an item, send me your money (plus shipping, unless you can pick it up in person in the Rochester, NY area), then within 30 days of my shipping the item you determine that it DOESN'T WORK, simply return it to me for a full refund of your purchase price (shipping is NON-refundable). Having said that, here's the list: Card-Edge Model "DEC reseller website" ID Number Description Price ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M3106 DZQ11 4-line, double-buffered, async EIA $219 (serial port) mux, w/modem control M7546 TQK50 TMSCP controller for TK50 tape unit $258 M7651 DRV11-WA 18/22-bit DMA general-purpose interface $507 N/A QT13 or QT14 (Emulex) tape-drive controller (this N/A unit was used with CDC 9-track drive) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- (FWIW, I also have the above-mentioned 9-track drive, but it's far too bulky for me to even TRY to SHIP unless YOU REALLY MAKE IT WORTH MY WHILE. If I don't get a convincing offer, or an in-person pickup scheduled, by 8AM this coming Wednesday (6/10), this drive ALSO goes out to the curb!) Again, apologies if this is off base in any way. Hope to hear from interested parties soon! Chris Chiesa cfchiesa(a)servtech.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin -- also kyrrin [A-t] Jps {D=o=t} Net Spam is bad. Spam is theft of service. Spam wastes resources. Don't spam, period. I am a WASHINGTON STATE resident. Spam charged $500.00 per incident per Chapter 19 RCW.

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Early Mac Clones

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>I think that's the same book I've got a copy of around here. Interesting >reading, but I've basically never seen any of that stuff anywhere. Though >I found it really interesting, has anyone ever seen a Mac Plus or simular >system recased into a PC case? It would be a fun project, but I've got to >many other projects :^) > >The closest I've got to a Mac clone (I'm writting this on a PowerMac >8500/180) is a Amiga 3000 with emulation software. The Amiga is actually >about as fast as the real thing. What edition do you have? My 2nd edition book says a listing of clones is given in edition 1, as oppose to just saying they exist. I'd love to get a list of old Mac clones. Thanks, Tom

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CP/M software (was: Former Disk Costs)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< <> Not so. Runs fairly well on similar machines. DRI evern did a versio <> of tex for CP/M. Have the manual and software. < <Are you sure the program is the same? I had heard that the name was the <but the software was actually completely different. It should be different as Knuth's was written in C and tex is asm or plm code. No credit given and. It's a simpler version circa 1978 and the putput formats are oriented toward character printers. Allison

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Former Disk Costs (was: 32 bit Macs (was Atari hard ))

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I'm halfway through reading 'TeX : The program', and I'm supprised it'll <run on a CP/M machine. It's possible, I suppose. On this machine the <binary for virtex (The normal version) is about 180K, and then it needs a <bit of data space for various tables on top of that. I presume this machine is a PC where code bloat is the order of the day. Early teX (not LateX) was fairly compact compared to recent versions. They were far more limited with what they could do with the printers. Allison

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FREE Printwheels!

by kyrrin＠jps.net

I've got a pair of printwheels for the Xerox MemoryWriter 60 series available. I'm also given to understand that these will fit Diablo 630 series machines as well. I've got Courier 10 and Courier 12. First person to send me a self-addressed stamped mailer gets them! E-mail me for my address. Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Early Mac Clones

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

These are certainly available for the PC. Check out www.emulators.com >> >> > Does anybody know anything about these "thrid-party Macintoshes?" I'm >> > familiar with the Outbound computers, I have never even heard of any >> > other early Mac clones. Any info? >> >> How about Atari STs and Amigas running Macintosh emulators? :) :) :) > >Wasn't there a thing called a 'Magic Sack' or something that was a cartridge >for the ST which you put the ROMs from a Mac into. One version had a Mac >disk controller (IWM) chip in it as well, I think. > >Problem was, it needed genuine Apple Mac ROMs. The only way to get those, >at least at first, was to strip them out of a Mac. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Former Disk Costs (was: 32 bit Macs (was Atari hard ))

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I understand, but many people would much rather do word processing on a more conventional machine, simply in the interest of productivity (I doubt anyone wants to go through a routine of converting files back and forth. I strongly doubt TeX would run on a regular IMSAI with reasonable speed). > > >Well, your can do tons of serious work with one. > >IT runs several OSs (CPM being well known) >Code and application development (asm, basic, Pascal, Cobol, fortran....) >word processing >Graphics work (with the appropriate board) >Accounting >spread sheets (multiplan) >Games, deadline, Zaxxon, Adventure, chess...long list. > >In a word most anything you might imagine. > >My s100 NS* system is one example that is still doing many of those >things. > >Allison > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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list dead?

by afritz＠iname.com

Is this list dead or did I somehow get unsubscribed? af ---------- Adam Fritzler afritz(a)iname.com http://www.afritz.base.org ----------

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PDP11/34 Being Retired and Scrapped

by jfedorko＠virtualadmin.com

How about locations? (city, state) thanks. -----Original Message----- From: James L. Rice [SMTP:jrice@texoma.net] Sent: Sunday, June 07, 1998 9:15 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: PDP11/34 Being Retired and Scrapped A plant at which I work is retiring a PDP11/34 and two Industrial I/O racks later this month. This machine has at least two sets of spare boards and even a spare hard drive as well as a complete set of manuals. It has been under a DEC service contract and has been running 24/7 for the last 20 years. After I transfer control of the furnaces to AB PLC's later this month, the DEC has been promised to a scrap yard in the Dallas area. If I can pry it away from the scrapper grasp, would anyone want it. I'm not into mini's so I don't want it, but I hate to see it get recycled for the metal. Also, I know where a HP 3000 can be picked up for probably under a $100. It has a hard drive, at least a med of ram, a 9 track tape drive (requires 3ph 208v), 10-12 HP2392 (as I recall) terminals, all of the cables, boards, expanders, a modem and was running when removed. If anyone is intrested, let me know and I'll pass your email adress to this guy. James

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Back with new finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Been on vacation and the road for the last 17 days and just got finished reading all the e-mail. Seems to have been some nice finds by some in the group. I will not try and list all the items I purchased just the nicer items. I did go to a auction at the U of Houston and must have ran into the same guys everyone else has they cost me over $900 to get a few items that I wanted (by running the bids up). I got about 50 Mac's and over 100 mac kb's to trade or sale cheap. Now on with the list: - Sun 3/50 model 247 not tested yet - Compaq Portable III not tested yet - ADDS Envoy luggable with built-in acoustic modem and network connector - 6 new copies of Symantec Thinks Ligthspeed Pascal for Mac's - HP Integral PC model 207 with software, built-in printer, 256k memory module in rear, HP ROM Module HP-UX/RO operating system Rel 5.0, HP-UX Technical Basic Rel 5.0. The baby fires right up and works great. - PE Nelson model 1020TA - HeathKit H11A digital computer LS11 - Tektronix 4211 Instrument - Orchid Technology ProDesign II card - Sun shoebox model 511 And the list goes on all together I picked up several hundred on this trip, will write more later. Keep Computing John

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Former Disk Costs (was: 32 bit Macs (was Atari hard ))

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Do you ever actually use this IMSAI for things like word processing <which could be done on another computer? Do you use Wintel, or is this <your main computer, like Tony has his AT? Well, your can do tons of serious work with one. IT runs several OSs (CPM being well known) Code and application development (asm, basic, Pascal, Cobol, fortran....) word processing Graphics work (with the appropriate board) Accounting spread sheets (multiplan) Games, deadline, Zaxxon, Adventure, chess...long list. In a word most anything you might imagine. My s100 NS* system is one example that is still doing many of those things. Allison

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PDP11/34 Being Retired and Scrapped

by icyblackhand＠hotmail.com

I'd like it. Please contact Mike

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Former Disk Costs (was: 32 bit Macs (was Atari hard ))

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Do you ever actually use this IMSAI for things like word processing which could be done on another computer? Do you use Wintel, or is this your main computer, like Tony has his AT? >This >was mail-order from a wholesaler, in 1993. $287 got me a Maxtor 213MB >SCSI >drive. Which is a little over $1/MB. << > >How about an original Shugart Technology (now Seagate) ST506 drive, >first year they came out? Forget the year now, must have been 1980 or >close to it. It ran me $1500 with a case and power supply, no >controller, all for a gigantic 5MB and a blinding fast 90msec access >time. That would be, oh, about US$300/MB. That much gets you an 18GB >disk these days. I used a Konan controller connected to my IMSAI, >development for Z80 code and BIOS device drivers for CP/M v3 and MP/M. > >I still have that drive, though it doesn't read/write so well now, but >the head still moves ok. The IMSAI has had many a MFM drive since those >days, the Konan (not very good) was replaced by an SDS VersaFloppy III, >and it's due for an upgrade to a 3.5" Tandon 20MB in the near future. I >plan to mount it on a prototype card inside the chassis and eliminate a >cabinet. Maybe even 3.5" floppy if I can find some 720K drives. > >For all you purists who want to keep machines original, what do you do >when the machine in question isn't retired yet, and there are 20 years >worth of upgrades installed? I figure that old IMSAI will be running >for another 5-10 years yet, cranking out the occasional Z80 program. > Jack Peacock > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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FWD: PDP-11's being retired

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Found this on comp.sys.dec, please respond directly to him. Mike ============================ Subject: PDP-11's being retired From: "Dave" <synapse(a)halcyon.com> Date: Sat, Jun 6, 1998 14:51 EDT Message-id: <01bd917c$6e480db0$0a0a0a80@mass> We're (finally!) retiring 2 PDP-11/04's, a PDP-11/23 and 2 PDP-11/73 clones (SMS). Anyone have any use for them? The damn things won't die! They're going in the scrap bin if I don't get a response in a week. Send me some mail or give me a call. Dave Duperon (425) 356-5569 (days) (425) 338-7198 (eves)

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VCF2 Announcement

by dastar＠wco.com

___________________________________________________________________________ | | | .================================================================. | | // ______ o_ ___________ \\ | | // / \ \ o o o o o o | ____ \ \\ | | H / | | | | | | | | | | \ \ \\ | | H / ____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|___ \ \ `=o | | H | | | \ \ | | H | | The Premier Event for Computer Enthusiasts is Back! | \ \__ | | H | | | \ | | | H o | V I N T A G E C O M P U T E R F E S T I V A L |__ \ o | | H | | \ \ | | H \ - VCF2 - | \ `-o | | H | |\ `----o | | H | September 26-27, Santa Clara Convention Center | `-------o | | H / Santa Clara, California | | | H | | | | H | Speakers, Exhibit and Flea Market | | | H | | | | H | O http://www.siconic.com/vcf | | | H |_____________________________________________________| ____o | | H | | | | | | | | | | / | | H | | | | | | | | | |______/ | | H============' | | | | | | | |_________________ | | H / | | \ \ \ |_____________________ | | | H / / | `-o \ \ || | | H o___________/ / \______ \ \ || | | H o \_____|____|___________________ || | | H ____________________________ | | || | | H | | | The S P E A K E R S | || | | `=| Why would YOU come to the | __| |___|| | | _| Vintage Computer Festival? | | | | | | | |____________________________| |-David Rutland | | | | |__________________________________| | | | | ________________________ ___| On the National Bureau of |__ | | | | || || || | / | Standards Western Automatic | | | | .-| To Learn the History |--' | Computer (SWAC). Mr. Rutland | | | | | |__||_||_||______________| | worked under Harry D. Huskey | | | | o ________________________ ___| to create the control unit |____| | | | || || || | / | for this little known but | | | o-| For the Nostalgia |--' | historically significant | | | |__||_||_||______________| | computer. | | | o ________________________ \______| |___o | | | | || || || | | | | | `-| To Hear the Speakers |-._____| FEATURED SPEAKER | o | | |__||_||_||______________| | | / | | ________________________ ____|-Ray Holt |___/ | | | || || || |__/ | | | | .-|To Buy Vintage Computers|-------| Who really invented the |-----o | | | |__||_||_||______________| | first microprocessor? Guess | | | o ________________________ ______| again. The answer will stun |_____ | | | || || || |/ | you. This designer of the | | | | o-|For the Games & Contests|--. | JOLT and developer of the | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \___| classic Synertek SYM-1 sin- | | | | ________________________ __| gle-board computer will re- |_____| | | | || || || | | veal why computer history | | | | o-|To Meet Other Collectors|-o | may need to be re-written. | | | | |__||_||_||______________|___ | | | | | ________________________ \___| |__o | | | | || || || | | * speaker list as of 6/1/98 | | | | o-| To Meet the Pioneers |---. | ____ O | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \ |____________/ \____________| | | | ________________________ \ | | | | || || || | \ | | | .-| For the Prizes! |----. \________________________________o | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \ | | | | \__________________________________ | | | o o________ \ | | | ,=============o \ ______________________________ | | | | // | o__ \ | | | | | | H ___________|________ \ \___| The W O R K S H O P S |___| | | | H | | \ | | | | | H \ Philosophy of the / \ | | | | | H | Vintage Computer |___ \___|-Tom Geller |_____| | | H | Festival... | \ | | | | H / \ \ | Whether you're into game | | | H | The main mission | \_____| consoles, handheld devices, |____o | | H | of the Vintage | | arcade machines or personal | | | H | Computer Festival | | computers, there's a Mac- | | | H | is to promote the |__________| based emulator for you. |____o | | H | preservation of | | | | | H | "obsolete" compu- | | | | | H | ters by offering- | ___| * workshop list as of 6/1/98 |_____ | | H | attendees a chance | / | ____ O | H | | H | to experience the | / |____________/ \____________| H | | H | technologies, peo- | / H | | H | ple and stories | | H | | H | that embody the- | | H | | H | remarkable tale of | | __ ___ __________________ H | | H | the computer revo- | | | |__| | | H | | H | lution. | | | |Someone lucky will|==-----H | | H |____________________| | | | go home with an | H | | H | / | _ | | H | | H o o_/ | (_) | IMSAI 8080 |==--o H | | H _________________________ | | | H | | H o__| VCF2 S P O N S O R S | | | See the VCF web | H | | H | www.haggle.com | | __ | page for details |==--o H | | H____| Dr. Dobb's Journal | |__| |___|__________________| H | | H |_________________________| H | | \\ // | | `=====================================================================' | | | | V2.0 rev 1 http://www.siconic.com/vcf (C) SICONIC 1998 | |___________________________________________________________________________| _ Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 05/30/98]

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Lisa Code Name (was: Apple ][ video)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:30 PM 6/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >one. Here's what Newsbytes had to say about it: Where are you getting the Newsbytes quotes? Seems like it would be a great reference. >name. Apple seemed to be into girl's names at the time. The Apple /// >was developed under the project name "Sara." Who was Lisa named after, >anybody know?

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Former Disk Costs (was: 32 bit Macs (was Atari hard ))

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:12 AM 6/5/98 +1000, you wrote: >it didn't have more was that I was paying for it, and the cost of 8Mb of >memroy and 200Mb of disk, plus computer was lots. You tend to forget how >much disk space used to cost, I've got the bill somewhere for the 200Mb >Quantum SCSI disk - it was over AUD$2K. Total system cost was about $10K :-( I recently came across an old invoice for a hard drive I had bought. This was mail-order from a wholesaler, in 1993. $287 got me a Maxtor 213MB SCSI drive. Which is a little over $1/MB. Nowadays, Price Club has 5/6GB drives for about a nickel/MB. (Of course, my first ever hard disk was a used ST-225 (and HDC) for $250 -- about $10/MB...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<How about an original Shugart Technology (now Seagate) ST506 drive, <first year they came out? Forget the year now, must have been 1980 or I have a sample from 1980, still working. along the way it was ued to test a disk controller using NEC d7261 in an early XT. BEfore that it was on a multibus 8088 system and it was my first drive when I got a teltek controller. It's still good and I checked reciently it still has the copy of CP/M I last updated in 84ish before bumping up to a Quantum D540. I still have a sa400 that was original to the NS* MDS-A controller (1977) and a later SA400L both working. <For all you purists who want to keep machines original, what do you do <when the machine in question isn't retired yet, and there are 20 years <worth of upgrades installed? I figure that old IMSAI will be running <for another 5-10 years yet, cranking out the occasional Z80 program. My NS* is running a soft sector controller I built in '81(765 based) though the MDS-A is still operational in a netronics box from '79. Both are still in use and used for assorted development work. 20 and 19 years later! Allison

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Former Disk Costs (was: 32 bit Macs (was Atari hard ))

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<notes as to what I added and how I did it and why. They're in with the <PERQ manuals, and I regard my manuals as being even more valuable than my <computers. Amen. Allison

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Interesting VAXen drive problem

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

This is just sort of a FYI message, I've already solved my problem. It started off easy enough, I needed to use one of my Q-Bus VAXen, and was planning on using the big old MV2. Turns out one of it's power supplies is apparently dead :^( Haven't really had time to look into that. No problem says I, I'll just throw one of the disks in my VAXstation II/RC. The disk freaked out and made some really alarming noises. Turns out the RQDX3 is apparently bad. I replaced it, and then it told me the drive was off line. I proceeded to give the system a good checkup, and couldn't find anything wrong, finally I pulled the other HD out of the MV2. It worked just fine. The answer to the problem appears to be that the first HD had been initialized on a Emulex controller which is the primary controller in my MV2, the second one was initialized on a RQDX3 (the secondary controller in the MV2). Both had bootable VMS installs on them, unfortunatly the one I needed was the first, but I've now got that taken care of. Just an interesting and educational problem I thought I'd share. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |

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Former Disk Costs (was: 32 bit Macs (was Atari hard ))

by peacock＠simconv.com

>> I recently came across an old invoice for a hard drive I had bought. This was mail-order from a wholesaler, in 1993. $287 got me a Maxtor 213MB SCSI drive. Which is a little over $1/MB. << How about an original Shugart Technology (now Seagate) ST506 drive, first year they came out? Forget the year now, must have been 1980 or close to it. It ran me $1500 with a case and power supply, no controller, all for a gigantic 5MB and a blinding fast 90msec access time. That would be, oh, about US$300/MB. That much gets you an 18GB disk these days. I used a Konan controller connected to my IMSAI, development for Z80 code and BIOS device drivers for CP/M v3 and MP/M. I still have that drive, though it doesn't read/write so well now, but the head still moves ok. The IMSAI has had many a MFM drive since those days, the Konan (not very good) was replaced by an SDS VersaFloppy III, and it's due for an upgrade to a 3.5" Tandon 20MB in the near future. I plan to mount it on a prototype card inside the chassis and eliminate a cabinet. Maybe even 3.5" floppy if I can find some 720K drives. For all you purists who want to keep machines original, what do you do when the machine in question isn't retired yet, and there are 20 years worth of upgrades installed? I figure that old IMSAI will be running for another 5-10 years yet, cranking out the occasional Z80 program. Jack Peacock

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HDOS tech info ?

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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Web pages

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:02 PM 6/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >The annoying pop-ups come from a little JavaScript. In netscape, you can >disable JavaScript and the pop-ups go away. I generally find that Java >and JavaScript (which, of course, are two completely unrelated languages) >are used to either annoy me or to crash my browser, so I disable them >both. Heck, I generally use Netscape 2.02, so it can't even *handle* Java. And yes, turning off JS does get rid of lots of annoying things. (And turning off autoload images not only speeds things up, but also avoids the constant disk abuse caused by continually reloading GIF animations -- which are much like hitting the gas and the brakes at the same time... gives your tires a good workout but doesn't really get you anywhere.) (As for home pages... I have my "home" page set to <http://www.sinasohn.com/>, but have it set not to autoload it at start-up -- I know what it says, and I already think I'm great, so I don't need constant reminders. But it is available one click away for them what needs convincing of my amazingness.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Acer Acros

by jwindle＠comteck.com

Hello I was wondering if you could tell me the jumper settings for the mother board. I am having trouble with the ps2 mouse port causing the system to lock up. Thanks Jim Windle

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Apple ][ video

by icyblackhand＠hotmail.com

do any of you have a Lisa, if so, I'll pay $100 or less. Thanks Mike

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Nicolet 1080 rescued

by guerney＠uq.net.au

A Nicolet computer (maybe the same model) was one of the first computers I ever used, and most certainly the smallest up until then. It was attached to a Bruker NMR (nuclear magnetic resonance) instrument at the University of Sydney when I used it as a research student from about 1975 or 76. It did real time fast fourier transforms and interfaced directly to the Bruker instrument. I think I remember people using it for other computing (maybe with BASIC loaded) when they could get some time on it. For a while, all it had was a teletype and paper tape punch/reader and that was my first experience in the use of front panel switches to load a bootstrap paper tape loader and then through the sequence of punched tapes until the final program was loaded. Of course you never turned it off if you could help it. Later it acquired a twin magnetic tape unit but I had finished my graduate research then and never experienced that luxury. Phil Guerney Brisbane Australia guerney(a)uq.net.au -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 4:43 AM Subject: Nicolet 1080 rescued >Since I'm sure not many of you have ever heard of Nicolet Instrument >Corporation (Madison, Wisconsin), I'll tell you what I know so far.

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Uncle Sam wants...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, if you want a job in computers, then you'll have to get used to it.... ;-) Think LCD dipslays. Big, numeric ones. Kinda like trying to add 999999999+1 on a 8-digit calculator. Ciao, Tim "NASDAQ Lover" Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 1:24 AM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam wants... > > > > >What do you mean? I'm not too familiar with stocks, so I don't have >any idea what Dow Jones IS, never mind where and how it's displayed. >>Max Eskin wrote: >>> >>> Better yet, tell them you were born in 2000! They'll never be able >>> to draft you then! >>> By the way, I heard that there was also a computer issue with >>> Dow Jones hitting 10K. Are there any more similar limitations that >>> will soon be reached? >> >>The Dow Jones hitting five digits is a problem in the display >>department, not the calculation department. >>-- >>Ward Griffiths >>They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. >>Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. >> Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_ >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Uncle Sam wants...

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

What do you mean? I'm not too familiar with stocks, so I don't have any idea what Dow Jones IS, never mind where and how it's displayed. >Max Eskin wrote: >> >> Better yet, tell them you were born in 2000! They'll never be able >> to draft you then! >> By the way, I heard that there was also a computer issue with >> Dow Jones hitting 10K. Are there any more similar limitations that >> will soon be reached? > >The Dow Jones hitting five digits is a problem in the display >department, not the calculation department. >-- >Ward Griffiths >They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. >Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. > Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Apple IIgs in Apple II case?

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Yes I have one too and from the last listing on them they were early prototypes used to test market the gs board inside them. At 12:27 PM 5/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >I just acquired an Apple IIgs that is in an Apple IIe style case! > >It's not a conversion or anything, it's original from Apple. It looks >exactly like a IIe except for the model emblem and the back panel. > >Perhaps it's something Apple did for the educational market, to make it look >like the other machines they were used to, and incorporating a built-in >keyboard which would be less fragile than the multi-piece regular IIgs >series. > >Anybody ever heard of these? > >Kai > >

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Compaq Portable in OZ?????

by desieh＠southcom.com.au

email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au desieh(a)bigfoot.com museum_curator(a)hotmail.com Apple Lisa Web Page: http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm anyone on this list in OZ have a original Compaq Portable they want to sell/trade or give away??

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