- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

Hi, I was just wondering on the rarity of DEC's PDPx machines - I gather that '11s are still pretty common (relatively!), but what about earlier machines in the line? Also - what did PDP stand for? (I don't expect that "Portable" came into it ;*) Sorry for the dumb question - I grew up with classic 8-bit micros and 32-bit Unix machines - shame I missed out on some of the big old boxes, they sound like fun (if a bit impractical from a storage point of view!! :) cheers Jules

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Unusual find

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Hi, I just found a book Titled Odyssey Pepsi to Apple by John Sculley. It is the advance copy from uncorrected manuscript. How often do anyone of you run into that kind of print? Here is what it says on the cover: This is an advance copy from uncorrected manuscript. The regular edition will be hardcover. Reviewers are reminded that changes may be made in this manuscript copy before books are printed. If any material from the book is to be quoted in a review, the quotation should be checked against the final bound book. A final chapter, The Second Renaissance, is not included in this reading copy. It will appear in the printed book. Harper & Row, Publishers, New York. Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

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Backwater areas Was: Re: Cross listing Ebay items

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:37 PM 6/16/98 +0100, you wrote: >> Say a real goodie shows up, like a perfect DEC Straight-8 or an unbuilt >> Altair kit. Assume the price is good, like $250 for either. Assume that >> you have the time and a working car, plus a loved one that will not scream >> too much. Assume that the current owner can not ship the thing. How many >> miles would you go? Well, hereabouts, I go 35 miles each way to and from work, and mine is not an exceptionally long commute. (I know folks who do ~70 miles each way in traffic.) (Heck, my sister does 60-70 miles each way just for an hour or two.) My problem is not so much distance as it is time. I'd gladly do a week-end trip to, say, Los Angeles (~500 miles), for most anything, if I didn't have to spend the time a) working, b) with my dad, c) with my girlfriend or d) sleeping (ha!). Mostly, though, I send my aforementioned sister to get things for me (she drove from SF to San Diego, back to Disneyland, and back to SF in about 30 hours -- with about 8 hours at Disneyland and 8 or so in San Diego. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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back on topic (was: Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...))

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:39 PM 6/15/98 +0300, you wrote: > As for the Sega, Windows CE's OK for what I want it for: Simple eMail. >No graphics, no attachments. I don't want Windows CE freezing up my game If all you want is simple e-mail, no graphics, no attachments, why spend $500+ on a wince machine? Get yerself a 8088/286/386 laptop from ebay and use a shell account. Or, if you need ppp connectivity, use one of the DOS-based ones running around. Btw, everybody, if you're thinking of putting "(OT)" in your subject, DON'T SEND IT TO ClassicCmp! Those of us that care about new tech are on mailing lists/newsgroups related to what we're interested in; the rest don't care and don't want to see it. There are appropriate forums for questions on Linux, Win95, Wince, Pentiums, etc. This ain't them! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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FW: DECStation 5000/200's available

by kyrrin＠jps.net

They're coming out of the woodwork today. Contact this fellow directly if you're interested. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On 16 Jun 1998 15:23:24 GMT, in comp.unix.ultrix you wrote: >>From: jorgnsn(a)qucis.queensu.ca (John Jorgensen) >>Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix >>Subject: was someone looking for a DECstation 5000/200? >>Date: 16 Jun 1998 15:23:24 GMT >>Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University >>Lines: 15 >>Message-ID: <6m62lc$d56$1(a)knot.queensu.ca> >>NNTP-Posting-Host: quidnunc.qucis.queensu.ca >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!news.sisna.com!news-kc-17.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!kone!news.ccs.queensu.ca!jorgnsn >> >>I seem to remember a message posted a few days ago by someone who was >>looking for a DECstation 5000/200. We're de-commissioning a student lab >>full of DECstations, but I wasn't sure of the model numbers. Now I've >>confirmed that there are five 5000/200s among the workstations that are being >>retired, but the original article has been expired. >> >>So if there is somebody out there who is looking for DECstation 5000/200s, >>drop me a line. >> >> >> >>-- >> >>John Jorgensen jorgnsn(a)qucis.queensu.ca (613) 545 6784 >>System Administrator, Dept. of Computing Science, Queen's University -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin -- also kyrrin [A-t] Jps {D=o=t} Net Spam is bad. Spam is theft of service. Spam wastes resources. Don't spam, period. I am a WASHINGTON STATE resident. Spam charged $500.00 per incident per Chapter 19 RCW.

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FW: Value of DECStation 5000's?

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Looks like another opportunity to get some decent DEC hardware. Please contact this fellow directly if interested. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:40:53, in comp.sys.dec you wrote: >>From: gcg1(a)psu.edu (Gary Gentzel) >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec >>Subject: Value of DECStation 5000's? >>Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:40:53 >>Organization: CAC >>Lines: 15 >>Message-ID: <gcg1.47.0025D051(a)psu.edu> >>NNTP-Posting-Host: ggentzel.oas.psu.edu >>X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B] >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!feeder.qis.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!ggentzel.oas.psu.edu!gcg1 >> >>Our department is considering what to do with two DECStations. Could anyone >>give me a ballpark figure on what these systems may be worth? Here are the >>specs, as best as I can tell: >> >>5000/125: 16MB RAM, 3-1/2" floppy, BA42 Storage Expansion box containing TZK10 >>tape drive and 426 MB RZ25 hard drive. VR297-DA 17" monitor. >> >>5000/240: 32 or 64MB RAM, BA42A storage expansion box containing 426 MB RZ25 >>hard drive and RRD42 CD-ROM. TK50Z tape drive unit. VRT16-HA 17" monitor. >> >>Any help would be appreciated.... >> >>Gary Gentzel >>Penn State University Administrative Systems >>gcg1(a)psu.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin -- also kyrrin [A-t] Jps {D=o=t} Net Spam is bad. Spam is theft of service. Spam wastes resources. Don't spam, period. I am a WASHINGTON STATE resident. Spam charged $500.00 per incident per Chapter 19 RCW.

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FW: FREE MicroVax II and Vaxstation II/RC

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Heads up, California scroungers! Found this on Usenet. Fellow's got some freebies in the southland, and they look promising! Please contact him directly if you're interested. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:57:52 +0000, in comp.sys.dec you wrote: >>From: "Eugene Dale Tyler" <evx(a)world.sxv.com> >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec >>Subject: FREE MicroVax II and Vaxstation II/RC >>Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:57:52 +0000 >>Organization: None at all >>Lines: 19 >>Distribution: World >>Message-ID: <rqgjbeyqfgqpbz.eullkg2.pminews(a)news.ni.net> >>Reply-To: "Eugene Dale Tyler" <evx(a)world.sxv.com> >>NNTP-Posting-Host: edtserv.tylerent.com >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>X-Newsreader: PMINews 2.00.0140 For OS/2 >>X-No-Archive: Yes >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!news.burgoyne.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!nntp.ni.net!not-for-mail >> >>Hello, >> >>I am scapping a MicroVax-II (TS05/TK50/RA81) and a >>Vaxstation II/RC with a b/w monitor (VR260AA). >> >>They are located in Laguna Niguel, CA. You must arrange >>pickup. >> >>If you are interested, e-mail me at the mangled address: >> >>evx(a)world,sxv.com >> >>Regards, >> >>Dale >>Change 'x' to 't' and 'v' to 'd' to reconstruct my e-mail address >>This inconvience brought to you by the net-scum of the world. >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin -- also kyrrin [A-t] Jps {D=o=t} Net Spam is bad. Spam is theft of service. Spam wastes resources. Don't spam, period. I am a WASHINGTON STATE resident. Spam charged $500.00 per incident per Chapter 19 RCW.

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

What did WYSE use in their machines? UNIX, no less? > >>> >>> Is there anyone who DIDN'T make a UNIX port? >>> Apple - A/UX >>> IBM - AIX >>> MS - Xenix >>> AT&T - UNIX >>> DEC? >> >>DEC - Ultrix ? > >Ultrix-11 >Ultrix-32 (later renamed Ultrix, when the -11 version was retired) > >There's also a VENIX for the PRO series.. > > Megan Gentry > Former RT-11 Developer > >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ >| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | >| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | >| Digital Equipment Corporation | | >| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | >| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | >| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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PDP-8 available in NJ

by mbg＠world.std.com

>There are plenty of surplus PDP-8s and PDP-11's only a hundred miles >from here. Practically new, but one catch: Slightly used....only nuked >once. > >As a bit of trivia, PDPs (8s/10s/11s) were the preferred machine at the >nuclear test site in Nevada. They were used for (expendable) >instrumentation very close to ground zero. Quite a few were converted >into plasma. A friend of mine (through DECUS symposia) who work(ed?) at Sandia National labs told me about what they did with them... There would be a pdp-11 down the hole with the device, connected via Ethernet to another pdp-11 with core, topside in a van. When the device was set off, the signals from the now-very-fried-11 would race the fireball up the hole where the data would be stored in core. (The speed of the advancing fireball could be somewhat determined by using TDR on the ethernet cable :-) When the shockwave hit the van, it would go bouncing across the desert until it came to rest. If was able to, it would continue recording information. If not, they came along at a later time and pulled the core plane and installed it in another machine where they would try to read it.

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by mbg＠world.std.com

>> >> Is there anyone who DIDN'T make a UNIX port? >> Apple - A/UX >> IBM - AIX >> MS - Xenix >> AT&T - UNIX >> DEC? > >DEC - Ultrix ? Ultrix-11 Ultrix-32 (later renamed Ultrix, when the -11 version was retired) There's also a VENIX for the PRO series.. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

>On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Tony Duell wrote: > >> > Is there anyone who DIDN'T make a UNIX port? >[...] >> DEC - Ultrix ? > >Don't forget Eunice! OK, maybe it's better that you forget. Eunice wasn't a DEC product, though. It was done by the folks who eventually became The Wollongong Group. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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MS using Linux (OT)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

On www.osnews.com, it turns out that MS put up a Linux server, linus.microsoft.com. THe fun part is that the next day they took it down, probably so that no one would notice it was ever up (guess courtesy of OSNews) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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ok, end of OT, but thanks!

by peacock＠simconv.com

No, they don't. The Nagant (7.62x 64) has a groove diameter of .310" and uses a .311"-.312" size bullet. whoa, didn't know about the Nagant, better check the book next time. Friend has an old WW I surplus one, I think he's reloading the wrong size. It uses the .303 Brit instead?

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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Sunburnt yellow plastic! > >John Higginbotham wrote: >> >> Even better: The Naughty Noughties ;) >> >> At 06:10 PM 6/15/98 -0700, Roger Ivie wrote: >> >> Speaking of decades, after the year 2000 bug totally obliterates all known >> >> forms of biological life on the planet, What will we call the first decade? >> >> I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck >> >> are we supposed to pronounce it? >> > >> >The noughties, obviously. > >Well, the 1900-1909 period is called "the Mauve Decade" in literature. >Let's pick a new color. >-- >Ward Griffiths >They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. >Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. > Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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PDP-8 available in NJ

by peacock＠simconv.com

> What's with all this rhetorical nonsense about going on long treks to acquire PDP-8s? Here's a real -8 for some lucky resident of New Jersey. Long treks? I thought it was only a few hundred miles. Around here (Mojave desert) that won't even get you to the next town. Heck, in the right direction that won't even get you out of the county. There are plenty of surplus PDP-8s and PDP-11's only a hundred miles >from here. Practically new, but one catch: Slightly used....only nuked once. As a bit of trivia, PDPs (8s/10s/11s) were the preferred machine at the nuclear test site in Nevada. They were used for (expendable) instrumentation very close to ground zero. Quite a few were converted into plasma. Jack Peacock

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Is there anyone who DIDN'T make a UNIX port? <Apple - A/UX <IBM - AIX <MS - Xenix <AT&T - UNIX <DEC? <DR? DEC ported ULTRIX which is close to BSD unix to both PDP11 and VAX. DR? I don't think so. which is which?: Venix Zenix Xenix What and who for those. Allison

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Couldn't be more OT if it tried! Re: (OT, in a way...)

by peacock＠simconv.com

-----Original Message----- > Well if you want to be exact, the .308 and 7.62mm rounds are two >different things! .308 is the commercial designation and 7.62mm is the >military designation and the two rounds are slightly different. Many There are numerous .30 caliber rifles and pistols. I was referring to the diameter. There is the .30-06 (WW I/II vintage), the .308 (late 50's, early Vietnam vintage, NATO), the 7.62x39 (Russian, Korea to present), the .30-30 (the famous lever action Winchester of the late 1800s), the .300 Savage (first rifle to exceed 2000 fps, also late 1800s), the .30 M1 carbine (WW II vintage), the .300 Winchester Magnum, the 7.62 Nagant, etc. All use the same basic diameter .308 bullet.

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Zenith All-In-One ?

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

Anyone ever hear of a Zenith All-in-One ? I can probably get one (damaged) for shipping costs, but I am wondering if it would be even worth that (a couple thousand miles). Thanks, Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com

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Collectable Old Microsoft Stuff

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I have what looks like the first MS version, since it has no version number. Won't run on anything, I think the disk is bad. >> - Flight Simulator v1.0 > >Wasn't that a SubLogic product? > >> - Windows 1.03 > >What about version 1.0? > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 06/11/98] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Oops.. I parsed RA82 as RA81. Ignore that.

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

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RA82: Does it need...?

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Does the DEC RA82 drive need to see an active SDI controller in order to spin up without a FAULT light? I know that RL02's needed power on the controller before their FAULT indicators would clear. I ask because I've spun up my RA81. It sounds OK -- positions the heads, etc. -- but it displays FAULT and diagnostic LEDs 3 & 4 (I think -- it might be 2 & 3) once it reaches operating speed. That, of course, is with the I/O cables flying in the breeze. Inquiring minds, especially those who are going to make a MicroVAXen available in the near future, wish to know! ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Couldn't be more OT if it tried! Re: (OT, in a way...)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

For the VMS hacks out there... $Set mode/farce=comdey <Note to self: Do not, I repeat DO NOT disgruntle members of the classiccm <mailing list! They are dangerous gun toting mercenaries! :) Mercenaries, never...unless your going to scrap that machine! Where I lived in PA the, "2 double aught, 6" would have the 2 dropped as in the then present reference to 1998 would be back "in nineteen and ninty eight". Allison, Who totes a 12ga to avoid ambiguity! ;) $Set mode/farce=inactive

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Fixing "old" (but not quite classic) IDE and MFM drives?

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

While we're on this subject. . . Does anyone out there have a copy of SpeedStor that can access Storage Dimensions old 8-bit scsi host adaptors? (Specifically, the DataCannon 800). I'm trying to test an old scsi MFM controller board, and I need to format the drive, first! Jeff > > > On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Charles E. Fox wrote: > > (I've shortened your quote of my email...) > > > > Several of these drives seem to almost work (they make the usual sounds > > >at power up and can be detected by the bios of a newer PC) but they won't > > >format/fdisk for me. > > > > > > > > I have had quite good results with Ontrack Disk Manager, about four times > > out of five it will get an old drive going and lock out the bad sectors. > > The recovered drives have been going in XTs etc. At ten or twenty megs > > capacity there is no point in trying to install them in modern computers. > > > > Thanks for the tip. I've tried Spinrite and some program I got with a WD > drive. I believe I got Ontrack with a drive I bought recently. I'll try > it. I'm afraid it may be beyond that though. The drives are not getting > as far as reporting bad sectors ... they just hang when I try to format > them. > > Regards, > > Bjorn Eng > > > > >

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Fixing "old" (but not quite classic) IDE and MFM drives?

by bjorn＠ktb.net

Hi, I've got a question about "borderline" classics. I've got a few old PCs >from right around 1990, maybe a bit earlier and I've got several small IDE and MFM drives that I've scavenged from various places. Several of these drives seem to almost work (they make the usual sounds at power up and can be detected by the bios of a newer PC) but they won't format/fdisk for me. Anyone have any tips of things to try as far as simple troubleshooting? Or are they doomed for the dumpster? Thanks, Bjorn

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ATT 6310

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hello all, I have found a AT&T 6310 PC box. Can anyone tell me anything about it? Is it 10 years old, yet? It is heavy enough I'd thought it had a large linear supply in it, but only a switcher ps! It was made in Italy by Olivetti, as mentioned on the 6300 thread. Opening the top reveals a AT type passive motherboard- the CPU, etc. is apparently on another one in another compartment below it, which I haven't gotten to yet. All the cards are 8 bits, except a Mouse Systems serial card which extends about 1/3 way into the "16 bit extension". There is another 2 port serial card and also a MIcrosoft Inport card with a mini-DIN connector. There is also a serial and printer port on the "hidden" CPU card, both DB-25, and a DB-9 connector for the keyboard. There is a volume control on the front, but haven't found the speaker, either. -Dave

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Off-topica

by fauradon＠pclink.com

>Well, older southern men in the US used to say, for example, "19 ot 6" >for 1906. So I guess we could revive that in 2006 and say "20 ot 6". But >this has nothing to do with the original question. > Wouldn't that be 2ot ot 6? Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

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RA82: Does it need...?

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Bruce, ---------- > From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)jps.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: RA82: Does it need...? > Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 12:21 AM > > Does the DEC RA82 drive need to see an active SDI controller in order to > spin up without a FAULT light? I know that RL02's needed power on the > controller before their FAULT indicators would clear. as far i know, YES. My ra90 spins up without sdi controller, but after few seconds you get an error with soemthing like "sync errors" whitch means there is no communication. then you never get the ready light. hope it helps, emanuel

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Fixing "old" (but not quite classic) IDE and MFM drives?

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> I've got a question about "borderline" classics. I've got a few old PCs >>from right around 1990, maybe a bit earlier and I've got several small IDE >>and MFM drives that I've scavenged from various places. >> >> Several of these drives seem to almost work (they make the usual sounds >>at power up and can be detected by the bios of a newer PC) but they won't >>format/fdisk for me. The way I understand it, IDE drives should automatically map out bad blocks, (is this true for all IDE drives?) whereas MFM disks won't. Therefore I'd assume that once an IDE drive starts presenting bad blocks to the user its days are pretty numbered... I was once told that a small percentage of an IDE disk is unused, purely for the sake of providing a "reserve" area so that the disk could cope with some bad blocks whilst still giving the user the impression that full capacity was available - is this true, or just one of those stories that I happened to turn up over the years?? cheers J. >

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TRS 80 Model 4 Wanted (fwd)

by scott＠saskatoon.com

Can anyone in 'NE' (Sorry, I can't always remember all of your states abbreviations... at least we only have 12. Is that Nebraska?) help this guy out? Please reply directly to him, not me or the list. ttyl srw ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:38:53 -0700 From: COMPASS <compass(a)navix.net> To: scott(a)saskatoon.com Subject: TRS 80 Model 4 Wanted We are looking for a TRS 80 Model 4 to operate an engraving machine (the old one died). Any suggestions? Pete Godfrey Compass Materials Handling Systems A Division of Schuler Industries, Inc. PO Box 714 Beatrice, NE 68310 Phone: 402-223-5678 Fax: 402-228-4193 Email: compass(a)navix.net

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hi. Now, I don't want to start a flamewar, but still, Microsoft HAS played an important part in personal computing, for better or for worse. From 1986 or so onwards, they were a industry dominator. Now, from what I understand, the origional MS logo was GREEN? Somebody have a picture? Other than OS's and current Office Applications (and, of course, Internet Explorer, which is a decent browser, and DOES have pleanty of innovation, if you're prepared to admit it.), what did MS make? Anything for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting current ports of IE 4.0)? Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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Backwater areas Was: Re: Cross listing Ebay items

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Say a real goodie shows up, like a perfect DEC Straight-8 or an unbuil <> Altair kit. Assume the price is good, Assuming the price was affordable I'd drive a good distance. So far I've gone as far as 180miles. For a working PDP-8(any) I'd cross a few states if I could swing it. For an altair... I have one, thanks. I've assembled three of them back when. Have the shirt, been there. I'd look for an IMSAI it was a better machine. Allison PS: periodic request... IMSAI IMP-48 docs, I'm looking for a copy.

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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by peacock＠simconv.com

I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck are we supposed to pronounce it? Simple, as anyone who owns a .30-06 deer rifle can tell tell you, it will be the "double ought" decade. Same as 100 years ago, the first year will be "ought zero". BTW, .30-06 is a US rifle caliber, .308 inches (7.62mm), designed in 1906, or "thirty ought six". 20 years from now, we'll be talking about that old 500Mhz P II made back in "Ought One". Jack Peacock

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Collectable Old Microsoft Stuff

by fauradon＠pclink.com

>> - Flight Simulator v1.0 > >Wasn't that a SubLogic product? It certainly was, I have several copies for the Apple II. The funny thing is that I believe that the MS version still had the same packaging. > >> - Windows 1.03 > >What about version 1.0? > Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by desieh＠southcom.com.au

-----Original Message----- From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 1:52 Subject: Re: Old Microsoft stuff... ><From: "Hotze" <photze(a)batelco.com.bh> ><Hi. Now, I don't want to start a flamewar, but still, Microsoft HAS play ><an important part in personal computing, for better or for worse. From 1 ><or so onwards, they were a industry dominator. > >First off your dates are grossly in error. MS in the persona of Gates >was involved in putting basic on the altair via MITS. When CP/M was >gaining ground as the dominent 8080/z80 OS microsoft was the dominent >language supplier. The majik system was a z80 running cp/m and MSbasic >compiler, MAC and L80, and maybe Multiplan. > ><for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting curren ><ports of IE 4.0)? > >Apple: Apple softcard combind package of CP/M and MS languges and a z80. >TRS80: Disk basic. >PDP-11: Didn't MS do a unix varient? >UNix... they did have a hand in a PC unix and apps for it. > >Allison > email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au desieh(a)bigfoot.com museum_curator(a)hotmail.com Apple Lisa Web Page: http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm dont forget about zenix, and msk............ for the people who dont know msk was MicroSofts attempt at setting computer standards in countries like Japan back in the early 1980's, they also reached Australia but I dont know about the States..

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>again XENIX, while not technically MS, a few years ago (3 or 4) there ports >of MS Word and Excel for Suns and maybe HP's. I gather they are also >currently porting some kind of network conferencing software to Linux?!?!?! Yep. That'd be Microsoft NetMeeting. Pretty cool product. Supports video, audio, message boards. They've also got an Internet Explorer port to Sun Solaris and HP-UX. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

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Collectable Old Microsoft Stuff

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>- Beethoven v1.0 (the first mass market multimedia CD-ROM) When was this made? How many were made? >- Bob (hey, if you own a Lisa or a PC jr. you need their software >equivalent!) Didn't MS repackage that as something else, like a kids program rather recently? >- Flight Simulator v1.0 >- Windows 1.03 What about Windows 2.11? I LOVE Windows 2.11. Now... if it'd only caught on... >Kai Tim D. Hotze

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BASIC 80 Re: Old Microsoft stuff...

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > I have a brown 3 ring binder that has MicroSoft printed diagonally > across it in large white letters. The binder is labeled "BASIC-80". Inside > it has an 8 inch floppy disk that's marked "Hewlett-Packard single sided > flexible disc". Does anyone know what ssytem it's for? Well, um, no. If you made me guess which HP system, I'd say HP125, which was a CP/M machine built into a 262X terminal body. But I'd be a little bit surprised that it's not dressed up as an HP product. HP was doing that with Microsoft products in the mid-1980s, e.g. the Microsoft Pascal compiler for the HP150. -Frank McConnell

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Unusual find

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:04 AM 6/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >To keep this on-topic, computer book publishers today will >circulate a dozen or so preliminary copies of a book to reviewers >at magazines for promotional purposes as well as to industry I used to work for a small publisher (long enough ago so as to be way on topic, and we'll leave it at that) where one of my jobs was to make multiple photocopies of a master copy, collate, assemble, and clib them together. They were review copies, and they were done on a small office copier. So, if you come across an older computer book like that, it's not necessarily a pirated copy. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

<SNIP> Methinks they also did a port of MS-Word for the AT&T Unix-PC 7300 (A fine 68010 box, BTW). Jeff > > Apple: Apple softcard combind package of CP/M and MS languges and a z80. > TRS80: Disk basic. > PDP-11: Didn't MS do a unix varient? > UNix... they did have a hand in a PC unix and apps for it. > > Allison > > > >

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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Even better: The Naughty Noughties ;) At 06:10 PM 6/15/98 -0700, Roger Ivie wrote: >> Speaking of decades, after the year 2000 bug totally obliterates all known >> forms of biological life on the planet, What will we call the first decade? >> I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck >> are we supposed to pronounce it? > >The noughties, obviously. > >Roger Ivie >ivie(a)cc.usu.edu > - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Speaking of decades, after the year 2000 bug totally obliterates all known > forms of biological life on the planet, What will we call the first decade? > I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck > are we supposed to pronounce it? The noughties, obviously. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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PS to Kilobaud articles.

by jon＠techniche.com

Oh yea Ward, One other thing. I just re-read your message and remember the comment about Laconia. If you're coming to NH you can pick these up. That's where we're located, in Manchester. Jon

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: "Hotze" <photze(a)batelco.com.bh> <Hi. Now, I don't want to start a flamewar, but still, Microsoft HAS play <an important part in personal computing, for better or for worse. From 1 <or so onwards, they were a industry dominator. First off your dates are grossly in error. MS in the persona of Gates was involved in putting basic on the altair via MITS. When CP/M was gaining ground as the dominent 8080/z80 OS microsoft was the dominent language supplier. The majik system was a z80 running cp/m and MSbasic compiler, MAC and L80, and maybe Multiplan. <for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting curren <ports of IE 4.0)? Apple: Apple softcard combind package of CP/M and MS languges and a z80. TRS80: Disk basic. PDP-11: Didn't MS do a unix varient? UNix... they did have a hand in a PC unix and apps for it. Allison

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"Industrial" XT, Compaq luggables, Misc

by manney＠lrbcg.com

I just acquired an XT with a grey case bearing the logo "Industrial Computer". Seems normal inside. Anyone ever heard of one? I also got 2 Compaq XT luggables. Some 286 RAMPAGE cards Tons of XT and AT parts e-mail me privately if you're looking for something. manney(a)lrbcg.com

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 06:46 PM 6/15/98 +0100, Tony Duell wrote: >Another microsoft product which I've not seen mentioned here yet was, of >course, the Microsoft mouse for PCs (and later those Microsoft keyboards) Those bus mice? I worked on a friend's machine that had one: A Xerox XT class running Windows 1.0. 640x400x2 mode I believe. Oh yeah, they were called Inport Bus mice, ran off their own 8-bit card. Not a bad mouse for it's time. - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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Unusual find

by fauradon＠pclink.com

I gues these are the equivalent of prototypes in the publishing industry. Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Unusual find >At 07:19 PM 6/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi, >>I just found a book Titled Odyssey Pepsi to Apple by John Sculley. It is the >>advance copy from uncorrected manuscript. >>How often do anyone of you run into that kind of print? > > I rarely see this kind of thing, but I do have a book titled "Marching >Thru Georgia" that was published in the 1800s that has *three* hard covers >on it and all three are a different style, color and material! Inside the >book it mentions that the books are available with three different covers >so I guess this one was a "demo" to show the different cover styles. Also >some of the pages are missing. But they weren't removed since the binding >is intact and even pages that should be on the same sheet of paper are >missing. For example, page 99 will be on the RH page and when you turn the >page page 100 should be on the left but it will be missing and page 101 >will be there instead! Very strange! I've never seen or heard of a book >like it before. > > Joe >

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DEC TK-25

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

I've located a TK-25 (w/ tape ) at a surplus house. Was there anyone on this list looking for one? If so, please respond via private e-mail. Jeff jeff.kaneko(a)ifrsys.com

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Pen Windows 2.0

by mbg＠world.std.com

I have an NCR System 3130, which is a 386-based system with 8mb of memory and a 20mb hard disk. It also has some sort of PROM system disk (as device d:). I currently have no way of transferring info to and from the machine and would love to find the external floppy adapter for it... Might someone on this list have one laying around, or be able to provide a pointer to someone who has one? Also, does anyone have any technical documents for this machine? When I upgraded the memory and installed a modem, the system would no longer cleanly boot up from the C drive... it gets stuck somewhere in the process while it is still using D:... Thanks in advance for any info... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 02:34 PM 6/15/98 -0500, Doug Yowza wrote: >No, no. Tube machines were a gas in the 50's. PDP-1's were groovy in the >60's. Pong was ultra-bitchen in the 70's. The Amiga was gnarly in the >80's. And, well, the 90's ... :-( dOOd. Is it just me or do the 90's seem like the 70's and 80's combined with all the really cool stuff left out? Speaking of decades, after the year 2000 bug totally obliterates all known forms of biological life on the planet, What will we call the first decade? I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck are we supposed to pronounce it? I think I have stumbled upon an even bigger problem than the Y2k problem was ever forseen as! - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by mbg＠world.std.com

>>Absolutely. Applesoft BASIC (in every II+ and later, and installed as >>an option in most II's) was written by Microsoft. Microsoft also sold >>several well-known Apple II games (ADVENTURE is the most well-known). > >They wrote that? DUDE!!!! (I recently aquired a Applesoft BASIC manual >(C) 1979, in near mint condition.) They didn't write the original... that was Crowther and Woods (if memory serves). They may have written *a* version... but history doesn't start with PCs and MicroSoft. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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