- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>Any version before 3.0 for the PC. BTW, when >was AOL 1.0 released? Wasn't AOL PC Link before? A program called >QuantumLink came with my Commodore a few years ago, and when I called >the tech number to see if they're still around, I was forwarded to AOL. AOL was the company created by the combination of Applelink and some Commodore BBS, most likely the QuantumLink you mentioned. Steve Case was CEO of the Commodore BBS and became CEO of AOL. For quite some time, about half of AOL's subscribers were Apple II and Mac users. Of course, AOL discontinued Apple II support quite some time ago (I know some guys who are still sour about this). I better stop typing now, otherwise I'll get off on a rant about how AOL is always dropping services on the sly and backstabbing their customers. Tom Owad (former user of America Online, now Sysop of Caesarville Online) -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote: ] <I class that as a micro, but I don't know if others would. ] ] 11/23 was called a micro by it's vendor DEC! What could be more official ] than that. Also the LSI-11 (KD-11). Ah, but according to DEC, it's not even a computer, it's a Progammable Data Processor, right? :-) ] Allison Bill.

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Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

It's a user interface. There was a little helper guy, who could be a puppy, smiley face, etc. Not >10 years yet. The metaphor was of a room. You would click on a calendar hanging on the wall to get an appointment book, for example. >What exactly is Bob? I've often see it mentioned, but never with any >background to what it actually does. > >Thanks, >Tom > >Sysop of Caesarville Online >Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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1st Mac

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I would say no more than $10 unless the buyer has no idea what he's getting. >One word: rubbish. i have a mac with the same model number. the mac+ had that >signed case and i think all earlier models did too. as its been said before, >its only worth as much as someone wants to pay for it. > >david > >In a message dated 98-06-30 10:28:47 EDT, you write: > ><< >> A friend recently told me that the Macintosh I own (Model M0001 with the > >> autographs inside the case) is worth money as a collectable. Can you tell > >> me if this is true and if so where I might get information on selling it. > >> Thank you for your help. > > >> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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RL02 ID number button

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 29, 21:27, wanderer wrote: > Does anybody know where to get the number buttons (specifically #2 > and #3) for the RL02's, so I can use my extra units as such, or is > there another to let the units know that they should not act as unit > #0 and/or unit #1? The switches are made by Honeywell, and you can still get part of the range >from Farnell and others, but not -- AFAIK -- the covers. I discovered that juciciously placed matchsticks would do the trick, but after a while I got so fed up that I made my own buttons from scrap perspex. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macin

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 30, 18:04, Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote: > > Other people insist a microprocessor is one chip only. > > So I notice. But by that definition _none_ of the micro PDPs were true > microprocessors, or at least none up until the 73. The Micro J-11 > processor in the 73 was implemented as two chips on a large ceramic > carrier. Was this also the case with later J-11s? Yes, it is. But if you allow a J-11 as a microprocessor, you must also allow the F-11 (as in 11/23, 11/24) since it too has the complete CPU on one (40-pin) carrier. The other devices that make up the chipset are truly optional. You'd also need to allow the T-11 processor. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Hang her from the wall

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Hi, Foster. > Thanks for bringing this to my attention. What a lack of etiquette!!! No big problem, if someone doesn't tell you, how can you know? > I had no idea I had posted in HTML. All too easy to get the Micro$oft defaults set that way :-) You're not the first, and surely won't be the last. Nice to see you've fixed, too. Unfortunately, some people (eg some Microsoft wallahs) think it's neat to use HTML. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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386 w/UNIX jumper??

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I have gotten hold of 5 working (and very attractive as well durable) Intel model PSYP3022254DOX machines with 386DX-25 processors and two case fans in each, one behind the front plate (to cool cards I guess) and the other in the normal AT style power supply. As usual, no docs. This is not a problem as most is self explanatory. There is one jumper on the mainboard though that goes in either 1-2 or 2-3 that's marked "Unix", nothing else. Anyone have any idea what this would do? I've moved it but nothing,but I haven't loaded Unix on it either. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sun's new market: Obsolete Computers

by yowza＠yowza.com

SOURCE: THE SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST via First! by NewsEdge Corp. DATE: June 27, 1998 INDEX: [10] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST via NewsEdge Corporation : So much has been said about Java that it probably is lost on most people. Many hear the word Java and recollect pre-conceptions about the subject, be they positive or negative. Most are unaware that developments are taking place. One of the most recent events, excluding disputes between the likes of Sun, Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard over the future of the Java environment, is the emergence of Java-based thin clients. Sun began it all by offering the JavaStation network computer that runs the JavaOS system, an entirely Java-based operating system designed for NCs. Now, Sun is working on JavaOS for DOS PCs, making allowing obsolete PCs to become the equivalent of a JavaStation. The JavaPC software is in beta development, with a preview available from Sun's Java developer's Web site at http:// developer.javasoft.com The final release is expected to sell for about US$100, and it is clear how this product offers a way to use hardware once thought obsolete. It is possible to take a 486-based computer with 8 MB or 16 MB of memory that runs DOS and turn it into a full-featured network computer with a Web browser with full network connectivity. The JavaPC environment runs on top of DOS, which provides such basics such as access to the hard disk and floppy disk, plus the display and basic network drivers. The rest, including all the more complicated network support and the Java implementation, is provided by the JavaPC software which implements the functionality of the JavaOS found on the JavaStation series of NCs. Of course, to run a JavaPC system means being connected to a network since the whole concept of the JavaPC and Java-based NCs is to access Java-based content including Web pages and applications on servers elsewhere on the network - either on the Internet or an intranet. Also, since the JavaPC is designed to run on an Ethernet network and not a dial-up modem, it is aimed at the corporate environment where can provide applications written in Java to be used on the Java-based NCs. In my tests, the hardest part of configuration had nothing to do with the JavaPC software itself but rather with configuring DOS with my network card. JavaPC can work with the NDIS or ODI drivers shipped with many network cards, but I opted to use a free set of network card drivers known as packet drivers which can be downloaded from the Internet and are included with the JavaPC software. After several attempts to get the packet drivers to work with my card, I switched to a different card and things worked without difficulty. Once the network card was configured, I was able to configure the rest of the software quite easily, using an added utility that allowed me to answer a series of questions and have my configuration files built for me. Once done, it is possible to browse the Web immediately, using the built- in Web browser and run some small Java programs installed on my test network's server. One benefit of the JavaPC over dedicated NC hardware is that it allows organisations to continue to use existing DOS and even Windows 3.1 applications and systems. Also, Java-based network capabilities can be added without disrupting existing work. This lets you gradually move mission-critical applications to a Java-based client-server environment. However, the PCs need a minimum 486, 66 MHz PC with at least 8 MB of RAM. A low-end to mid-range Pentium is preferable and 16 MB of RAM is better. Of course, an entry level PC these day is quite inexpensive and would provide more than adequate power for running a JavaPC system. Full information about the JavaPC as well as other Sun Java products is available at Sun's Java Web site at http://www.javasoft.com/ Copyright(C) 1998 THE SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST <<THE SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST -- 06-24-98>>

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ProcTech CUTS tape & VAX 6000 SCSI interface & DC-600A tapes

by bobstek＠ix22.ix.netcom.com

If there are any ProcTech SOL owners out there, I have recently acquired an old CUTS tape from PROTEUS, the Sol User's Program Library. Lots of miscellaneous stuff. If you would like a copy, email your address, or send me some stamps - whatever. A friend is looking for a SCSI card for a a VAX 6000 with VMS drivers. Any good folk out there have one available, or know of a source? Also, I have 3 shrink-wrapped and 5 slightly used DC-600A tapes available to the first person with $5 for shipping. Bob Stek

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Trust me, I've been looking all over for a Linux port to a otherwise CE device. Linux CE... there are distributions that are small enough and with enough apps to run, but most of them are x86, and I'm betting on a pripority system bus... so it'd be increasingly difficult.. Ciao, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, June 27, 1998 9:49 AM Subject: Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes.. >Hotze wrote: >> >> Come to think of it, ALL of the Windows CE devices have their OS in ROM. >> *My* opinion is that for UNIX hardware, it's going to be UNIX's biggest >> competitor. Most Windows CE devices run off of UNIX-style processors, as >> that's the only way that they can get any speed inexpensively and with a >> decent battery life. > >So we put Linux on the little bastards. It's in the works for the Pilot >once the thing carries 4Mb of RAM standard (probably a couple months) >Naturally, it won't be exactly ROM'd. >-- >Ward Griffiths >They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. >Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. > Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_

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NeXT cubes or slabs.

by poesie＠geocities.com

Does anyone on the list collect NeXT systems? I had the chance to see one the other day and now I am hooked... but they wanted 500 bucks for a 33mhz turbo color cube (IIRC...) w/ a 21" sony monitor. in any case, (and i realize i'm stepping in a big heaping pile here) what's a reasonable cost for these systems? after using afterstep for linux, i would love to use nextstep and use the real thing. -Eric

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Quix Daydream (mac rom in next)

by poesie＠geocities.com

found this on comp.sys.next.marketplace. follow up with him if interested. -------------------- >Converts a NeXT machine into a virtual Macintosh (can boot either operating >system). This is the latest version and includes original box, diskettes, >printed manual and ROM box which attaches to the DSP port. Was running >PhotoShop and other Mac software without a hitch. > >$375 + Shipping. > >Please respond to buddyc(a)ibm.net > >Thanks. > >Buddy Cox

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Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

And, to bring this thread completley off topic, did they have a son or a daughter? What was he/she named? >And yes, Bill married the project lead behind Bob. Ugh. > >ca. 1993 I believe. > >ok >r. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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old AOL disks

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I am now on AOL and can thus do anything requiring HTTP, FTP, Telnet, or IRC. Of course, AOL does have a nonstandard mail and newsgroups, so I can't use external software for those. >You can recieve attached items now? Last you told me was that you could only >recieve text messages. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Russ Blakeman > RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 > Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 > Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com > Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ > ICQ UIN #1714857 > AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" > * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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EXO Corporation singleboard?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Jeff Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)ifrsys.com> wrote: > Their address *used* to be: > > EXO Corporation > 1265 Montecito Avenue > Mountain View, CA 94043 Shucky darn. I had lunch today at the corner of Montecito and Shoreline. Have to check it out on my way home, but I don't hold out much hope, they're not in the phone book. > There's probably a Taco Bell at this address now :^) No, that's about two blocks north, at the corner of Terra Bella and Shoreline. Thanks! -Frank McConnell

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EXO Corporation singleboard?

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

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UNIX jumper contd

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

by the way Doug's info seems more than correct since I remembered that it also has a 32 bit I/O on and off setting in the cmos and it has two (of the eight) 32 bit ISA card slots. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Will CD-ROM readers exist in 20 years?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

They'll certainly be available to junk collectors like us, won't they, given our seemingly easy access to 9-track tape drives, teletypes with paper tape readers, etc.? There are more CD-ROM readers out there today than there ever were teletypes or S-100 machines or PDPs. Doesn't this mean *more* of them will be left for us to collect in the future? Sure, some are cheaply made, but if they're stored and unused, they'll make it. As for discs themselves, I think the "properly stored" admonition that held true for tapes and floppies holds for CDs. Temperature cycling (like the audio CDs in your car) probably does damage. Exposure to high humidity, which can creep in the sides and also disturb the aluminum layer, does damage. Scratches can introduce errors. Writeable CD-Rs are a different story - we can only hope the engineering of the dyes will hold up. - John

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OT: Looking for RS/6000 P43

by dwollmann＠my-dejanews.com

Ok, I'm dreaming, but I've got a PPC 223MHz complex here that will fit in an IBM RS/6000 P43 223MHz. If anyone runs into one that's looking for a home, please let me know. That or I'll just unload the board. If I could find a CPU-less box to put this in I'd be happy, otherwise I could have a dual-CPU box. This would make one helluva Linux workstation, no? (yes, PPC Linux runs on it, I checked) <g> David

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I'm slightly nuts -VAX as a webserver?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

We're about to see how the NetBSD/vax SCSI-DMA code works... It seems to be OK with SCSI-2 devices. I'm about to acid-test this. Our secondary webserver needs upgrading, namely the Pentium inside still has that old FDIV bug, and the O/S is way out) Anyway, we've got 500 meg of websites on it, and we can't have the server down. So, what other machine around the office has 500meg we can commandeer... Hmm... My MicroVAX has a gig free... Apache is on there... Hmm... You can see where this is headed. The VAX is the only machine with the space available, and NT is still acting funny (And, I'd rather use a VAX and unproven code than NT and known-bad code!) so I get gto give my poor MicroVAX the acid test - Can it play webserver for a day? We shall see. -------

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Macintosh II (lisa???)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 05:43 AM 6/25/98 -0400, you wrote: >Question: Will any nubus card work in any mac with a nubus slot? (I'm >talking standard form, one piece card, not the little two piece connected >jobbies found on the SI/LC etc.) Probably not. Obvious exapmle: a 68030 upgrade board probably wouldn't be all that great in a 68030+ based mac. Other than stuff like that, though, I think yes, NuBus is supposed to be pretty standard. (And yes, you can put in multiple video cards and use multiple monitors for that starship effect.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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old AOL disks

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

This isn't quite classic, but classic enough. Does anyone have old AOL disks they could e-mail me? Any version before 3.0 for the PC. BTW, when was AOL 1.0 released? Wasn't AOL PC Link before? A program called QuantumLink came with my Commodore a few years ago, and when I called the tech number to see if they're still around, I was forwarded to AOL. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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"No name" S-100 computer

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hello All, I have been working on a "no name" S-100 computer for some time, and finally have gotten it to work! No name = Godbout 12 slot motherboard. Cards: Ithica Audio Z-80 card Seals 8K ram + Godbout 8K (2102 type ram's) Processor Tech CUTS (Cassette tape) Processor Tech GPM (1K ram + ROM board, 1 2K ROM installed) Vector Graphics Flashwriter (16x64 character display) Homebrew card (Input FFH port, etc) All in a modular blue/white metal box with only a lighted power switch and a reset switch. AFAIK, the parts that were not originally mine were not "abused", but was surprised at how much was wrong: 1) The op-amp in the motherboard active terminator was bad. 2) A cap across 5V in one of the RAM boards was shorted. The 2102 rams on this supply didn't like ~0V power, but TTL address and data signals. Luckily they were socketed, and still available fairly cheaply. 3) 3 other 2102 rams were bad. Some on the "GPM" board were marked only "DS9408" 4) There was a "pready" signal conflict. Don't know how it was run with this problem? 5) Bad transistor in the keyboard. 6) 1 or 2 bad 74367 ic's 7) Bad solder joint for one memory pin on the GPM board. It was OK 90% of the time... 8) Bad 4013 ic in the CUTS board- receive data path. Along the way, built a S-100 test jig that was very helpful - one powered edge connector with data, address lines provided by switches, latches, etc. + led's to view data lines. I could test memory chips one at a time with it, find where cards were in address space, until I could get the system to run with a serial terminal (My Heath H-19) and monitor software for further debugging. Finally I loaded Proc. Tech. Basic5 the first time! That cassette tape is about 22 years old. Also "Lunar". My questions: The Processor Tech GPM board I have no documentation, other than what I've figured out. It isn't that complicated. Does anyone have any, such as what are the ROM jumper choices and dip switch positions. (I've figured out about 4) Is there any archive for CUTS software? In the late 70's when I lived in the San Francisco Bay area, there was the "SOLUS" user's group. The third is more general, what determines the value? Obviously if this was a SOL-20 or in a IMSAI box, it would be worth much more on Ebay as well for collectors. In a literal sense, it is more unique and I have design documentation for the mods I've done, dates, reasons, etc. Quess what would be called the fabric. In some cases that's what has the value. (First prototype, etc.) In 10 or ? years, how will I pass it along "to the next generation"? I don't think any public museum would want a "no name" box, and from the museum threads, doesn't sound like a good idea, anyway. I know no one personally that has these "old" computer interests except maybe the speculator type, only this list. Those with private museums, will you be collecting this stuff in say 20 years, or will you be looking to pass it along? To ??? For old radios I can consider the AWA museum, as assume it will be around longer than any individual, but they probably don't want a lot of homebrew stuff. The brand names already "restored" radios are too expensive and rare for me, anyway. Thanks, Dave

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EXO Corporation singleboard?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote: > There was an EXO CP/M computer way back, but it used 8" drives and I > doubt that your board went with them :) Could be tha same company, > though. Thanks Don. Can you give me a clue about how way back? Not sure what I will find of use but it might be worth checking out to see if I can find any magazine articles, reviews, &c. (Next time I get to where I can get to the magazines, that is!) -Frank McConnell

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Hang her from the wall

by drfcline＠netw.com

Pete: Thanks for bringing this to my attention. What a lack of etiquette!!! I had no idea I had posted in HTML. The information in text follows.\: A piece of computer memorabilia well worth mounting on the wall or giving as a gift is a stack memory card from the UNIVAC computer. It is the LAST time the home of a bit of information could actually be seen - a tiny doughnut on a grid of wires. http://www.netw.com/~drfcline/univac.htm >>Any chance that you could post in plain English (ie ASCII) pine chokes on HTML and there are many others on classiccmp who don't use graphical readers. Thanks ;-) Pete Foster W. Cline, M.D. wrote: ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> ><HTML> ><HEAD> ><META content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 >http-equiv=Content-Type><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 >HTML//EN"><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> ><META content='"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=GENERATOR> ></HEAD> ><BODY bgColor=#c0c0c0> ><DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>A piece of computer memorabilia well >worth >mounting on the wall or giving as a gift is a stack memory card from the >UNIVAC >computer. It is the LAST time the home of a bit of information could >actually be >seen - a tiny doughnut on a grid of wires. </FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> ><DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>See it at <A >href="http://www.netw.com/~drfcline/univac.htm">http://www.netw.com/~drfcli ne/univac.htm</A></FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Old computer books (was: Re[2]: Quarter classics (was: Big

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

And then you will be remembered for generations to come as the father of computer collection. In 50 years or so, people will write your biographies and refer to the Technical Manual as the Tony Book. I guess I'd better get your autograph ahead of time... >Well, I guess I'll write some of these technical descriptions one >day, if only to fix in my own mind how the machines work. Some of >them will get distributed to a few interested friends. But I doubt if >any of them will ever be of mainstream interest. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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A perfect house - my storage problems solved.

by kevan＠heydon.org

Hi all, I just have to tell everybody some good news, but anybody with a space problem and of a jealous disposition may want to stop reading now... We have just got to sale agreed on a house that has a 41' x 41' garage at the bottom of the garden. That is about 1600 sqft or 11000 cuft of storage space. The garage has solid floors, cavity walls, a good roof and thus dry and clean inside. If you ever here me talking about space problems again, then you have the right to slap me. -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/

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FW: Fellow wants a VAX, any VAX...

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Found on Usenet. If you can help, please contact this guy directly. Thanks. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:11:32 -0500, in comp.sys.dec you wrote: >>Message-ID: <359713F4.DA351ACA(a)intop.net> >>Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:11:32 -0500 >>From: "J. S. Havard" <enigma(a)intop.net> >>Reply-To: enigma(a)intop.net >>Organization: intop.net >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec >>Subject: WANTED: VAX (any variant) >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-dialip074.intop.net >>Lines: 18 >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.… >> >>If you are going to throw out a VAX, working or not, and are in >>Mississippi, eastern Louissiana and Arkansas, or western Alabama, please >>let me know and I will look into it. >> >>Also, anybody with any old CDC, Honeywell, Imprimis, or Magnetic >>Peripheral drives, please contact me. I have a Honeywell DPS6 and the >>strange front loading discs have a broken belt. >> >>Thanks in advance, >>John Havard >>-- >>----=(enigma(a)intop.net)=--------------------------------------------- >>A novice was trying to fix a broken Lisp machine by turning the power >>off and on. Knight, seeing what the student was doing spoke sternly: >>"You can not fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no >>understanding of what is going wrong." Knight turned the machine off >>and on. The machine worked. >>------------------------=(www.intop.net/~enigma/)=------------------- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin -- also kyrrin [A-t] Jps {D=o=t} Net Spam is bad. Spam is theft of service. Spam wastes resources. Don't spam, period. I am a WASHINGTON STATE resident. Spam charged $500.00 per incident per Chapter 19 RCW.

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 27, 19:34, Doug Yowza wrote: > Subject: Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes.. > On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > On Jun 27, 16:50, Hotze wrote: > > > Most Windows CE devices are based on HP/NEC PA-RISC (IIRC) > > > processors, or SGI MIPS processors. > > > > Or Acorn/Digital StrongARM. > > Are you guys both smoking the same stuff? CE does not exist for PA-RISC > or SGI MIPS, and while it does exist for Acorn/Digital/Intel ARM, it > hasn't shipped on any real hardware platform that I know of. > > It has shipped on a couple of NEC MIPS derivatives and Hitachi SH. MIPS chips are MIPS chips. SGI own MIPS, but don't manufacture the devices. NEC, Philips, Toshiba, amongst others, do, but they didn't design them. The VR4xxx series that NEC use are derivatives of the standard R4000 and R5000 series. You're possibly right about ARM and CE, though. Several companies have licenced the technology, but most of the ARM-based devices (eg the Psion 5, Newton) use Psion's OS or JavaOS, not CE. > There > is also support for ARM, PPC, and x86, but I haven't heard of any hardware > shipping for those platforms. > ObCC-Q: What was the first microprocessor-based box to run Unix? > > ObCC-A: The Z8000-based Onyx C8002 in 1980. What about the 11/23 systems Bell Labs were using in 1978? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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EXO Corporation singleboard?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

A couple of weeks ago someone thrust this bag into my hands and suggested that I find out about it. In the finest tradition of getting the 'net to do my homework for me, I did a few web searches that gave me a lot of false leads and no real info, and now I'm pestering y'all. So what's in the bag? It's a Z80 singleboard, 4 15/16" x 6 3/4" (12.6cm x 17.1 cm for you metric-threaded folks). Legends in the component-side traces include an "EXO corporation" logo, "(C) 1982" (where (C) is the C-in-circle copyright symbol), and "1010A" which I guess is a part or model number. There's a terminal strip off to one side which I am guessing (from the ICs and a little bit of follow-the-traces that is about the limit of my know-how) is intended to be connections for power, interrupt lines, and a serial port. And there are three 34-pin (2x17) plugs in about the middle of the board. Significant ICs would seem to be an SGS Z80A, a National 2716 EPROM, nine Hitachi HM4864P-2, Zilog Z8410A (DMA) and Z8440A (SIO/O), National MC1489P and two TI SN101057 on the way to that terminal strip, and a couple of what I guess are some sort of programmable logic in 20-pin DIPs whose markings have been removed so that "(C) 1981... EXO SYS. CORP." can be stamped on top. Anybody know what this is, or anything about the company, or any better places to look? I'm guessing "singleboard for control system" but that is pretty much outside my know-how. And how did I get into this fix? I suspect it's karmic payback for something I said a couple hours before at the Foothill swap meet. Someone showed me a 68000 singleboard (not too different) and I said something like "once upon a time I'd have found that a really neat hacker toy, now I don't think I have time for it." There's clues in here somewhere, but I don't think I've figured out which ones I'm supposed to pay attention to. -Frank McConnell

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Tomy Tutor

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Well, this month's TRW Swapmeet haul was pretty expens^H^H^H^H good: I found some old computer books, and some electronic music and acoustics texts from the 60s... and a neat HP 1/4" data recorder, four channels, FM, four speeds... nice for my restoration work. And an Edison cylinder recording for $10... (cool!) BUT.... (here's the on-topic part) I found a Tomy 16-Bit Graphics Tutor, along with another Commodore 64 and printer. [Anyone in SoCal want two C-64s, a disk drive and printer? Not really my 'thing'.. free to good home, you pay FedEx shipping...] Anyway.. This unit is slightly larger than the C-64, has a cartridge port on the top, an expansion bus port on the back, as well as a DIN for the cassette and a DB9 marked 'controller', and audio/video/RF RCA jacks. I have yet to plug it in. It is stock # 800, model # TP 1000. Is this thing anything? Is it priceless/worthless? Interesting/boring? I have never run across one in all my years collecting... ALSO: I'm still looking for the vacuum column door for a Kennedy 9300 9trk drive.... if another drive was available within reasonable going-and-getting distance I'd go for that, too. ALSO ALSO: The formatter card for the above, to fit a PDP 11/34a. Cheers John

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by allisonp＠world.std.com

You could have said single chip CPU but in reality what does that mean as 8088 required a 8084a clock driver and many other chips in practical use are never quite single chips unless you mean an 8048 or 8051! <I didn't mention the 11/03 because although it's often described as a <microprocessor, it's actually a set of 4 40-pin chips (5 with optional <EIS/FIS instructions) called a D-11. That's the one often called an The KD11 was four chips (5 with EIS/FIS) but the distribution was CPU core and Micoms (microcode roms) around it. <sure there was a stand-alone system using RX02s. Of course, you could al <count 11/23 systems running standard 7th Edition Unix (1979) on RL02s, li <the one I have here. And here too! Allison

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I class that as a micro, but I don't know if others would. 11/23 was called a micro by it's vendor DEC! What could be more official than that. Also the LSI-11 (KD-11). Allison

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Heathkit ET-3400

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

At 04:06 AM 6/28/98 -0500, Doug wrote: >I picked up an ET-3400 6800 CPU trainer today. It was obviously abused by >several students in a past life. I've resoldered its broken connections, >and it seems to work OK, but I can't fully test it yet because I'm missing >the seven-segment LEDs and the monitor ROM. > >I happended to have the manual for a 1977 version of this trainer, but my >trainer appears to be from 1987 or so and has a few differences (for one, >it uses a 6802 rather than a 6800). Luckily, the manual has a listing of >the monitor ROM. But I don't have a 6800 assembler. > >So, does anybody have any of the following: > >1) A monitor ROM image (preferably for a 1987 model) >2) A 6800 assembler (preferably Linux-hosted, but DOS will work) >3) The EPROM part number for this board (the man. mentions MCM6830A, but >that doesn't ring a bell with me) >4) Part numbers for the 7-segment LEDs (I only have Heathkit part nos.) >5) A spare "1" key for my keypad :-) > I kooked on the net, but didn't find any info on the ET-3400. I did find this page on the EC-1, however: http://www.cyberventure.com/heathkit/computers/ec-1.html At least the LED's should be able to be replaced if uou know their sizes and whether C Anode or C Cathode. Looking in catalogs like Jameco, the part numbers don't help my memory, but the size/descriptions do. Have wished to see a Heath cross reference for things like IC's, transistors., collected from a large number of their manuals. I have at least 1 2716 with a Heath number on it- have no idea what it's for. -Dave

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Way to identify original IBM-PC?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Remember: I'm the same copyright as the C-64 >Thanks for posting a more complete response than mine. I didn't think >that perhaps Max is too young to remember using a cassette recorder and >cassette tapes for program storage. I just assumed that everyone on this >list would know that computers used to use tape recorders in olden days >before disk drives came along. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 06/11/98] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I have to plead DEC-hardware ignorance. Did the 11/23 use a single-chip >micro (the LSI-11, according to Allison)? If so, then please add >"non-DEC" to my Q :-) The 11/23, 11/23+ and 11/24 all used the same chip set. The actual processor existed as two chips mounted on one carrier. This was the DCF-11 (the 'Fonz') chip. The memory management unit was a second chip and the floating point unit was a third chip (again, actually two chips on one carrier). In addition, there was a CIS (commerical instruction set) chip which was 6 chips on a single carrier (I have a couple of 11/23+ boards with CIS). Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 28, 13:29, Doug Yowza wrote: > Didn't SGI recently re-spinoff MIPS as an independent concern? In any > case, while the core ISA should be the same, NEC developed the VR4101 and > VR4102 specifically for CE, and I doubt that you'll find the chips in any > SGI box. I got invalid links when I tried to look at the specs at NEC's > site, but I think the CE-specifics were probably in areas of power > management and on-chip peripherals. Yes, lots of companies like MIPS, Digital, ARM, Motorola, etc etc make the core designs available for others to incorporate in their customised processors, and I had no doubt that that's just what NEC did. Sometimes the design owner does the customisation, sometimes the company who want the custom version. NEC would have the experise to do it themselves, I'm sure. All I meant was that it would still basically be a MIPS core, with a standard architecture and instruction set. I hadn't heard about MIPS being separated again. Given what SGI are doing at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised. > It's public knowledge that Microsoft added ARM support for WinCE 2.1, but > that version of the OS is not shipping for any platform. In fact, 2.1 was > still beta last I checked (a couple of weeks ago). I confess that I pay little attention to WinCE and even less to version numbers :-) > I have to plead DEC-hardware ignorance. Did the 11/23 use a single-chip > micro (the LSI-11, according to Allison)? If so, then please add > "non-DEC" to my Q :-) Yes, the 11/23 used the F-11 chip, which is a single 40-pin package. There are optional add-ons, but the basic processer is just one ceramic object -- though anyone who looks at it will immediately see that it's actually two smaller packages (essentially, one for ALU and one for microcode) mounted on a common carrier with a few chip capacitors for good measure. I didn't mention the 11/03 because although it's often described as a microprocessor, it's actually a set of 4 40-pin chips (5 with optional EIS/FIS instructions) called a D-11. That's the one often called an LSI-11, although strictly speaking LSI-11 refers to a particular processor board. And I deliberately didn't give more detail about the unix systems, because I can't remember what Bell called those little systems, and I don't have the reprints of the AT&T Technical Journal to hand :-) I'm fairly sure there was a stand-alone system using RX02s. Of course, you could also count 11/23 systems running standard 7th Edition Unix (1979) on RL02s, like the one I have here. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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PDP-8

by mailroom＠knorr.com

What's the current availability of the PDP-8/E systems? Any DECtape, other devices, too? OS/8 operating system?

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C-Nets Windows history story

by Archive＠navix.net

Makes for some interesting reading, anyway.... talks of Microsoft, Apple, Atari, IBM, Xerox, HP, and others as the story traces a time-line of Microsoft Windows. Here's a cut and paste to get you to the story: Microsoft's latest OS offering didn't invent itself, and neither did the first Windows apps. It was a long, sometimes painful evolutionary period spanning at least the last 30 years. Would it surprise you to know that Atari was a contender for the OS crown? Find out how, and more, in our feature story "30 years of Windows: a retrospective." It's an enlightening look at the history of the Windows OS, and the history of computing itself. http://www.cnet.com/Content/Features/Special/30Years/index.html?dd.sd -- ____________________________________________________________ | Cord G. Coslor : archive(a)navix.net |\ | Deanna S. Wynn : deannasue(a)navix.net | | | on AOL Instant Messenger: DeannaCord | | | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/4395 | | |------------------------------------------------------------| | | PO Box 308 - Peru, NE - 68421 - (402) 872- 3272 | | |------------------------------------------------------------| | | If you don't have AOL (like us) but want a great instant | | | chat feature, just go to http://www.aol.com/aim | | |____________________________________________________________| | \_____________________________________________________________\|

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SE30s and IIX machines- Packet monitors and Home Automation

by higginbo＠netpath.net

This is a coincidence! I just got an SE/30 and a Mac IIx too. I also have some of those Asante SCSI Network adapters. I'm wanting to network one of these with my PC, but I don't know where to start. I know linux supports Appletalk right out of the box so to speak, but I dual boot between in and Windows 98, and 98 is my primary OS for the most part. Now, I've never heard mention of Appletalk as a protocol under 95 or 98. Is it available? What other option do I have besides Appletalk? BTW, my only networking experience is with Novell Netware server and DOS/Win95/NT boxes. At 05:08 PM 6/27/98 PDT, Thomas Pfaff wrote: >I bought an SE30 w/ Ethernet recently for $80 through the net. The >owner showed up at my office one day recently and delivered it. The >next week I also bought a Mac IIx w/ 8 megs of RAM for $25 at a >Silicon Valley swap meet. A friend gave me a couple of Asante SCSI ><-> Ethernet adapters which can normally be had for around $20 on >eBay. - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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Tomy Tutor and C-64

by jpl15＠netcom.com

The Commodore systems have been spoken for, thanks for all of the replies from the list. I will also reply to each of you who wrote me personally.. but a public thanks is in order as well. Cheers John

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Mac Case popping

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>i've never had a problem cracking macs Just make sure you don't mix a Platinum front panel from a Mac Plus with one of the older beige backs. I inadvertantly did this a few months ago and they're still together. Tom Owad -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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Inventory Control (was Re: "No name" S-100 computer)

by rcini＠email.msn.com

I have the same inventory tracking problems, too. I don't have a complete invetory of anything but my 11/34a stuff. In the accounting profession, what we need is an "inventory locator system." I have the beginnings of this in an Excel spreadsheet. The spreadsheet indicates the DEC "M" number, description, and the location: the main chassis, expansion chassis, or in "stores." I, too, want to go the barcode inventory route. Thinking out loud, if someone could get their hands on a shareware point-of-sale inventory package for a PC, that might do the trick. I see ads in PC Magazine all the time for POS systems and software, but I don't want to spend several hundred $$$$ for it. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin! Charter Member - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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Mac Case popping, Was: GOOD LORD! VARNISH?

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 11:31 PM 6/27/98 +0100, Tony Duell wrote: >the battery cover and 2 in the handle. You need a long Torx driver for >the latter 2. For what it's worth: I have been using screwdrivers with the interchangable bits for some time now. When I first came into contact with a Mac SE, I went to sears and bought an extension for my present screwdriver. I keep that torx bit in the extension so it's right there whenever I need it, which has been quite alot lately, since I am rebuilding about 17 SE, SE/30, and Classic machines. Also, seems that every compact mac I have messed with has already had the case popped (according to the marks). What do I do if I come across a virgin that's never been popped so to speak? Is it harder to get the case off? - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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"No name" S-100 computer

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Dave, I hope you don't mind me copying this reply to ClassicCmp as I think it may interest others as well. On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, dave dameron wrote: > Well I should see if I can visit up to the bay area at the VCF II time > and meet some people. That you should do! :) > Will there be registration later on the web site, or do you just show up > at the door? Are there a lot of individuals showing a few things (vs. > groups that appear to be the "private museums")? Thanks -Dave The web page has registration information now (see URL below), so if you go there you can get all the details. But basically, if you register now you pay $15 for full admission to both days and save $5. Otherwise its $10/day. The exhibition will consist of numerous private individuals and various user groups exhibiting their collections. There will be no overlapping, and everyone who is exhibiting is being selected for their particular genre. There will be Doug Salot and Roger Sinasohn doing a portables exhibit, Paul Zurikowski from the local Mac user group doing a complete Mac exhibit, Jordan Ruderman will be doing a Sol-20 exhibit, Larry Anderson will be doing a Commodore exhibit, I'm working with a guy who wants to do a PDP-8 exhibit, etc. I'm still looking for more exhibitors so if anyone is interested contact me. There will also be various museums making a presence, although they won't all be exhibiting. I'm currently working with The Computer Museum History Center to bring some of their artifacts to exhibit (I'm also working on scheduling tours to the History Center from VCF so out-of-town guests get a chance to see their amazing collection); David Hale, who is in the process of assembling a museum in Pennsylvania that will follow the progress of computers in different fields of technology will be driving out and bringing some computers with him to exhibit and some to sell (he was going to come to VCF 1.0 but got stuck in a big snow storm in Chicago; he also got a very rare kit computer from the 60s that he was bringing to VCF stolen while he was snowbound in the airport...long story); and finally I've invited David Weil, the curator of the Computer Museum of America in San Diego, to come up and setup a booth. So there will be at least a couple museums having a presence at VCF. I hope to get more, and I hope the VCF eventually becomes an event where computer museums from around the world gather once a year to share information and strategies. If you have anymore questions please ask! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 06/11/98]

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Making progress

by kyrrin＠jps.net

OK... I've made some progress. The fault light problem with my RA82 drive was cured by reseating all the connectors and pushing in the socketed chips (they crackled most satisfactorily). So now the RA82 passes all its tests, but I can't get the KDA-50 to see it. I've tried a couple of different boards. System is a MicroVAX II, 8 megs (well, 9 counting the CPU resident) memory, RQDX3 in one cabinet and the KDA50 board set in the other. RQDX3 has an RD52 and an RX50 on it, all of which are seen no problem by the diagnostics. The RQDX is at 772150 and the KDA-50 is at the next available MSCP floating address. Question: I've currently got both A and B port cables from the hard drive connected to ports 0 and 1 of the KDA-50 controller. Is this correct, or am I confusing the thing by feeding it back on itself? I'm glad this one's going better than my 11/44 did earlier today... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Way to identify original IBM-PC?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>This in combination with looking for a cassette port should be a good >way to tell. I know we've been through this, but could someone summarize for me about the cassette port? What can be used with it? > >================================== >Rich Cini/WUGNET > - Charter ClubWin! Member (6) > - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking > - Collector of classic computers ><<========== Reply Separator ==========>> > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Mac Case popping

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 11:15 PM 6/27/98 EDT, SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com wrote: >loosened screws to the front half of the mac. that usually pops it loose. you >can apply the same technique to the bottom screws also. i've done this to all >compact macs except for the classic and cc models since i dont own one. hope i >explained it clearly. Thanks. I had heard of a "specialized" tool that Apple sold that would accomplish the task. Figured it was just a way for them to make more money. :) - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, I know that the HP's run off of PA-RISCs, and that Phillips Velos are SGI's. Also, theo ther processor support isn't in H/PC's, and it probably won't be. x86's used in the Elan SC400 based devices, I know that they're some mapping hanheld that uses that. PPC, and so forth will probably show up in the Jupiter-class 2Lb devices. Ciao, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, June 28, 1998 3:34 AM Subject: Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes.. >On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Pete Turnbull wrote: > >> On Jun 27, 16:50, Hotze wrote: >> > Most Windows CE devices are based on HP/NEC PA-RISC (IIRC) >> > processors, or SGI MIPS processors. >> >> Or Acorn/Digital StrongARM. > >Are you guys both smoking the same stuff? CE does not exist for PA-RISC >or SGI MIPS, and while it does exist for Acorn/Digital/Intel ARM, it >hasn't shipped on any real hardware platform that I know of. > >It has shipped on a couple of NEC MIPS derivatives and Hitachi SH. There >is also support for ARM, PPC, and x86, but I haven't heard of any hardware >shipping for those platforms. > >ObCC-Q: What was the first microprocessor-based box to run Unix? > >ObCC-A: The Z8000-based Onyx C8002 in 1980. > >-- Doug > >

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