> I was just wondering, how many computers do all you have out there???
Not so many, others do have far much more than I have.
My little collection:
PDP 11/24 with 2 RL02's, running RSX-11M 4.0, Ultrix-11
PDP 11/34a with 3 RL01's running RSX-11M 4.2, 4.4 and 4.5
PDT 11/150 running RT-11
Mac powerbook 170
HP model G40
VT100, VT520 terminal
Teletype ASR33
Sun Sparc5 (cannot be declared yet as 'classic')
Sun IPX (ditto)
Edward
Russ Blakeman:
> blindpete(a)stratos.net wrote:
>> I was talking to a few friends and we wore wondering what the earliest
>> versions of micro soft's dos and windows was.
>> The earlies version of windows I have herd of is windows 2.0, I also think
>> there was a windows whith out a version number.
>> The earlies version of dos I herd about was dos1.1 or some thing like that,
>> it has been a while so I'am a byt fogggy on it.
>> I am currious about the software because I wonder how well or pore it
>> worked whith speech.
> Dos 1.25 is the earliest version for general distributuion, previous versions
> were too buggy, same as DOS 2.0, the 2.11 was the distribution standard when
> double sided drives came out.
Nop. There have been at least 2 major public releases
other than 1.25. 1.0 and 1.1. 1.0 was the first public
release for the IBM PC and 1.1 added new disk types.
1.1 and 1.25 are almost identical - 1.1 was the IBM
version, 1.25 the OEM version.
If you're searching old versions (maybe prior to 1.25)
you should look for things like Z-DOS (Zenith), 86-DOS
(back licensed MS-DOS to Seatle Computer products),
SB-86 (Lifeboat Associates) or COMPAQ-DOS (guess who :).
Maybe a bunch of other names I don't recall right
now, since MS licenced it to any 8088/8086 computer
manufacturer available.
DOS 1.x was still machine dependant, since the BIOS had
to met the hardware. DOS 2.0 and up added new disk types
and loadabel device driver.
With 2.0 Microsoft tried to establish their own trademark
MS-DOS as OS and scraped all OEM licences or at least tried
to cut of the different names. After 2.0 only IBM kept the
private name of PC DOS.
Gruss
H.
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HRK
Thanks, this helps greatly!
Now to find parts...
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Yowza [mailto:yowza@yowza.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 8:56 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: C128 Service Manual
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Zane H. Healy wrote:
>
> > >Anyone know where I can get one? I'm gonna try to fix a C128 that I
> > >bought and need one badly :)
> >
> > I can't remember the URL, but there is a web site in Europe
> that has most
> > of the old Commodore 8-bit manuals online.
>
> Hasn't anybody heard of bookmarks? :-)
> http://nic.funet.fi/pub/cbm/index.html
>
> -- Doug
>
D'oh!
I downloaded the schematics and am trying to figure out what's up with
this thing. Strange thing is the part marked Funt. ROM (U 36 I think) is
empty! I'm wondering if this is supposed to be the case.
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 7:46 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: C128 Service Manual
>
>
> >
> > Anyone know where I can get one? I'm gonna try to fix a C128 that I
> > bought and need one badly :)
>
> I beleive the commodore schematics are on an ftp site somewhere
> (ftp.funet.fi????). I have the C128 service manual but it's only the
> schematics and parts lists and doesn't contain any step-by-step
> diagnostics, alas.
>
> >
> > Tony
>
> -tony
>
My first chance to boast of:
California Computer Systems S-100
KayPro II
NorthStar Horizon w/ Televideo 912
NorthStar Advantage 8/16 (very dead)
VIC 20
Apple II+
Apple IIc
Apple IIe
IBM PC
IBM PC XT
IBM PC AT
IBM PC Jr.
Apple Lisa 2
Radio Shack CoCo
ProcTech SOL-20
Bob Stek
bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com
Well, the computer repair company I worked for used to do alot of LCD and
laptop repair. Alot of times the lines are either easy to fix problems w/
cables and little wire connectors, and other times they are just on their
way out ( i repaired servers and desktops so I never got to dabble :/ ) in
any case, a good place that does *VERY* reasonable LCD and laptop repair is
Matrix International, which i believe is www.matrixintl.com, or... I've
forgotten the phone #, but they are in Austin TX. they used to do flat rate
LCD repair for us for 125 a system.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, July 11, 1998 10:39 PM
Subject: LCD repair
>OK, hardware gurus, how about some remote diagnostic help: PowerBook 160
>(my first and only Mac), a bunch of black vertical lines of varying width
>on the LCD (different patterns on the two panels that make up the
>display), but otherwise the display looks good (all the bits in the right
>place).
>
>Video RAM? LCD controller? Cable problem on the laptop side? Cable
>problem on the LCD side? Bad LCD? Repair FAQ?
>
>I have a volt meter, a logic probe, a fear of high current, but I enjoy
>the occassional high voltage zap. What's my next move?
>
>-- Doug
>
Picked up at a yard sale today, in Framingham, Ma.
IBM P/S 2, Model 50Z
On-Site Computer Systems box... Unit seems to have two hard
disk drives, that, on the outside, remind me of the old RD54
(I think) that used to be in the old DEC PRO-350's, two LPT
ports, and one serial port. Also a 5 3/4" floppy drive...
Anyone ever heard of these people, or know anything about their
stuff?
3 Monitors, one NEC, one Samsung, and one Tandy.
A Citizen MSP-20 printer..
Cost of this "rescue" US 20$, and the people even helped
load it into my car..
Now to sort it all out, and see "what works, and what don't".
Will
< > What we now need is for some brave person (me, Allison???) to take a
< > number of old (and dead) drives, make a clean box, pull them apart,
< > document everything, and write a repair manual....
To date I've successfuly opened and fixed maxtor2190s and Micropolus 1325s
wit HDA difficulties. I've run a RD52 with the cover off as a demonstration
and I have somewhere a 16 year old st506 with a lexan topcover for viewing.
It all boils down to what was the failure and is it fixable. The latter
can be hard as platter assemblies and generally "glued and screwed" and
tend to be hard to get apart. Heads are small fine things easily broken.
If the media is scared it's a total as the metal will be everywhere and
some fo the metal like the head cantelever is steel so all that steel dust
is now in the magnet assembly for the positioner... Not impossible but
there is a certain amount of pick and choose in which one to fix.
Allison
< Well, I think that the default lack of floppy drive was a mistake, as
No it was still costly.
< was the lack of RAM. I'm not sure what year it is, but I believe 640K
< was standard by then. Also, I have the Getting Started manual for the
That would be a few years later.
< >Apart from the IR keyboard, which was a mistake ;-), it's basically a
< PC
< >without the DMA chip, but with better-than-CGA graphics. What's wrong
< >with it?
Since the average XT PC doesn't use DMA very intelligently anyway it was
not much loss.
Allison
It's called the "Rock City", by the Panda Project.
www.rockcity.net,
and www.pandaproject.com
pretty cool and reasonably cheap machine; they have a new Dec Alpha 533 box.
wireless keyboard, LCD display, etc.
sorry for the off topic reply :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 3:10 PM
Subject: fake NeXT
>I was peeking into the Popular Science at the supermarket yesterday, and
>I noticed a peculiar entry in "What's New": a computer shaped like a
>black cube, the size of a NeXT cube, but balanced on one corner with
>little feet supporting it. It's made of aluminum and is just a regular
>PC. Next to it, it had an LCD panel and keyboard. The case was much
>uglier than the NeXT, and I don't quite know the reason for making it a
>cube - it doesn't support four motherboards or anything! Just thought
>you people might be interested.
>
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Yeah, but I not a big fan of the MacOS; and since i can download a more
updated OS version, I figured i might as well give it a shot.
experimentation is the best part :)
From: Hans Franke <franke(a)sbs.de>
>On all 68LC040 Macs you just need to exchange it with
>an 68040 to get the MathCo. Just check the frequency.
>
>But using a 636 for NetBSD isn't a good idea - any
>486-PC will give the same or better performance - but
>while using Mac OS 8 the 63x are just fine machines.
Yeah, it runs pretty well w/ 52mb of ram, although i can think of better
places to put it....
>P.S.: don't forget the memory update - the 63x Macs
>can use 36 or 52 MB of Mem, depending on the mobo
>revision. If you have 1 SIMM slot, add a 32MB module,
>if there are two slots, use a 16 MB modul in the outhermost
>and a 32 in the innermost slot.
I have 8 CPUs:
A pentium-75
An Apple //c
A PS/2 Model 70
A Packard Bell 486SX
An Amiga 2000
A Macintosh Portable
An Apple ][+
A brother word processor which I consider a computer
What's a dual floppy unit? Never seen one...
>Commodore 64c, dual floppy unit, 1200baud modem
>At 02:19 PM 7/13/98 +1, you wrote:
>> I was just wondering, how many computers do all you have out there???
>>
>>Some
>>
>>Gruss
>>H.
>>
>>--
>>Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
>>HRK
>>
>
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>Can anybody tell me anything about a machine called
>
>Laser 128, I have the opportunity to get and understand
>that it is very small with built in drive and may be somewhat
>like an Apple II.
It's an Apple IIc clone, and very similar to it. It has one Apple II
compatible slot on the left side. Laser was the only company which
actually made legal Apple II clones and withstood Apple's lawyers.
Tom Owad
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In a message dated 98-07-13 21:22:26 EDT, you write:
<< Can anybody tell me anything about a machine called
Laser 128, I have the opportunity to get and understand
that it is very small with built in drive and may be somewhat
like an Apple II. >>
this machine is essentially an apple //c compatible. the keyboard sucks, but
has the same function as a //c. the machine also has an expansion slot on the
left to which an apple card can plug into, although it was not designed for
it. i once ran a disk controller card in it without problems. make sure you
get the power supply. ive been told the //c ps was equivalent though. the
machine supposedly was 99% apple compatible which was true since i never could
connect to aol when they still supported apple. i had to borrow a friend's //c
to logon.
david
If I ever get the time, I want to do a custom paint job on my SE/30.
Remember the fighter planes of WW2 that had the mouth/teeth/eyes painted on
the nose? You get the picture... :)
At 11:47 AM 7/14/98 +1000, Huw Davies wrote:
>At 01:10 PM 12-07-98 -0700, Max Eskin wrote:
>>I was peeking into the Popular Science at the supermarket yesterday, and
>>I noticed a peculiar entry in "What's New": a computer shaped like a
>>black cube, the size of a NeXT cube, but balanced on one corner with
>>little feet supporting it.
>
>The Borg Cube PC :-)
>
>I'd like one as it would make a change from the boring standard PC looking
>boxes in my computer room (err, office).
>
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I was peeking into the Popular Science at the supermarket yesterday, and
I noticed a peculiar entry in "What's New": a computer shaped like a
black cube, the size of a NeXT cube, but balanced on one corner with
little feet supporting it. It's made of aluminum and is just a regular
PC. Next to it, it had an LCD panel and keyboard. The case was much
uglier than the NeXT, and I don't quite know the reason for making it a
cube - it doesn't support four motherboards or anything! Just thought
you people might be interested.
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I've posted this before but the list occupants change so I'll see if I
can find a home again for it. Everytime I go to rework it to a CGA/EGA
cable I think that there's someone out there with a crap mono monitor on
a PCjr that would love to have an original PCJr Color Display. It's in
great shape and I don't have a Jr and haven't messed with one since
college a thousand years ago.
If anyone might be interested in negociating a fair trade of cash or PC
items that I can use in other machines drop me a note. PC Enterprises is
one of the few sources that still has "refurbished" PCJr Color Displays
and they want an outrageous $189 or so for one. I'd like to slap anyone
that would pay that in this stage of the Jr's...
Contact me direct if interested.
BTW....If anyone may be intertested in the Visual 102 with keyboard for
FREE (you pay the shipping) it's now LAST CALL before I strip the
goodies out of it and send it to computer and terminal heaven. Contact
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I have two box type units labeled as an HP9123D that appear to have two
3.5" type removable (floppy?) drives in each, with an HPIB bus connector
and a cable with a 5 pin DIN on the end. It also states that it's for
use only with the HP45849A. They're both complete and like new but I
have no equipment to test them with. I know HP stuff is expensive even
when used and these aren't all that old by their looks and styling so
they should make some HP owner very happy. I have no use for them but
yet I would hate to dismantle them or dump them.
Anyone know what these are exactly and would anyone be interested in the
wo of them, maybe a trade or something?
Email direct if interested in them.
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What's even neater is the fact that the dongle is nothing more than a
carved block of wood hollowed out. Inside buried in epoxy, is one diode
connected to two pins of the joystick port. Definitely cool. :)
At 08:57 PM 7/13/98 EDT, KFergason(a)aol.com wrote:
>
>The MSD drives were perhaps the first 1541 clones, though I am not
positive of
>that.
>They were not complete compatible, so copy protected software probably would
>not work.
>
>I didn't realize they required a dongle.
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Every so often, someone asks how many computers I have, and I always find
it hard to give a straight answer. It depends whether you count half a
dozen 68000 boards as 1 + spares, or 6 -- I only have two keyboards and one
PSU rigged up for them -- or none, since I haven't got the orignal case or
PSU. Or the PDP-11s; I have several spare CPUs and other boards, but only
a few cabinets.
This is roughly what's running/runnable:
Acorn Archimedes A440, serial no 614 + Arm3 processor a a lot of extras
Acorn Archimedes A310, serial no 2.
BBC Microcomputer Model B (about 2.5 of these)
BBC Microcomputer Model B-plus
Torch Z80 Card x 2
Acorn Z80
Acorn 6502
Acorn Electron
Acorn Atom
Apple ][+
Apple //e
Apple Mac Plus x 2
Sharp MZ80K
Atari MegaST
Exidy Sorcerer
Commodore PET 2001-8K
Commodore 128 (US version)
Commodore VIC-20
Amiga 500 (well, half of one, anyway)
homebrew Z8 SBC
Sinclair ZX81
Sinclair Spectrum
Sinclair Spectrum 48K
Sinclair QL (plus a dead one)
Sparcstation 1+
Silicon Graphics Indy R4600SC
XT-compatible
AT-compatible
486SX-25
486DX2-66
386sx-20 portable
286 Compaq LTE
11/23 x 2
11/03 x 2
11/34
11/24 (only the board set, though)
11/73 x 2
?PDP-11/83
microVax II
uMicro 2000 (a 68000 system and a lot of spare boards)
Sage II (another 68000)
Cambridge Z88
Psion Organiser
AgendA
and, of course, a whole lot of peripherals.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
The MSD drives were perhaps the first 1541 clones, though I am not positive of
that.
They were not complete compatible, so copy protected software probably would
not work.
I didn't realize they required a dongle.
Hmm, how many computers.
HP Pentium 300.
Sparc LX
486/33 clone
SWTPC 6800 systems (2)
RCA Cosmac VIP (3)
Commodore C128 (2)
Commodore C128D
Commodore 64 (a dozen or so)
Commodore +4 (2)
Commodore SuperPet
Commodore Vic 20
Timex Sinclair 1000
Atari 400 (2)
Atari 800
Atari 600xl
Atari 800xl
Atari 1040ST
Atari 2600
Apple 2e
Apple 2c
Apple 2gs
Macintosh +
Macintosh 512
TRS80 Model 3 (2)
TRS80 Model 4
TRS80 Model 4p
Tandy Coco 2
Tandy Coco 3
TI 99/4a (3)
Most work.
Kelly
In a message dated 7/13/98 9:16:24 AM Central Daylight Time,
higginbo(a)netpath.net writes:
> >What's a dual floppy unit? Never seen one...
> >>Commodore 64c, dual floppy unit, 1200baud modem
>
> Well, I can't tell you who made it, but it's a little tower with two 5.25"
> drives mounted vertically, and requires a dongle on one of the joystick
> ports to work. I haven't even cranked it up yet to compare the performance
> to the C 15xx series drives. I think the model number is MSD-2. The MSD-1
> was a single drive unit.
>
> I have all the docs and disks that came with it, so when I ever do get it
> cranked up, I'll post the specifics.
>
< Are file formats different between RSX-11M and RT-11? If I get one of the
< PDPs up and running I need to sort out the 40-50 disk packs that should b
< a mixture of RT and RSX.
Yes, but there are tools to got from rt to rsx, maybe the other way as
well.
< Will an RL01 pack be readable in an RL02 drive?
Yes.
Allison
I have not yet found an operating manual for the RK07's in the group of
stuff I got. I want to check them out and think I recall that they can be
powered up and maybe heads loaded while not attached to the host. True? If
so, anything I should know? What to look for if anything not correct?
Also, the previous owner left packs *in* two of the drives :( . One
probably is an all-important boot disk for the 1/34A as he told me he had
booted it up the day before I picked them up. Well, I'm not too happy with
this as there may be a risk that the disk got damaged during moving and
transport. I can take the black sheet metal cover off the drives and check
that the heads are retracted. How do I get the disk out as the disk cover
seems to be locked? Will powering up and a certain keypress unlock the disk
cover without the heads moving onto the platter?
I'll need to do the same to the RL01's and RL02's to sort through them as
to functionality.
Thanks yet again for the help.
Regards, Chris
-- --
< Are you sure about that first one? I tried to install it on a PS/2 Model
< 70 and it didn't recognize the hard drive. In general, i've found Minix
< to be simply awful with recognizing hard drives.
I got it up and running on a PS/2m50z with a 20mb mfm drive.
Minix is not awful with recognizing hard drives, it doesn't claim to support
all of them.
If you want you can put dos on the m70 and then install the version ported
to load and run as under dos as a virtual disk. That works on everything
that is running dos. While not fancy it's enough to play with and to keep
it small (its a test version) the sources are not on it though they can be
copied easily enough.
Allison
At 02:25 PM 7/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Christian Fandt wrote:
>
>> In the MicroPDP-11/73 that I got in the great haul there's an Emulex quad
>> board which I want to identify.
>>
>> An identifying number on it is C3987-C. Two 50-pin headers are on the edge
>> pointing to the back. No cables attached. Stuff obviously has been swiped
>> from this system.
>>
>> >From what I see at the Emulex website Emulex is only involved w/networking
>> stuff. There was no C3987 mentioned anywhere.
>
>That very well could be a SCSI controller. Emulex is only into networking
NOW, as they got sued
>several years ago by DEC for patent infrigment (lost my job because of
that suit). They used to do
>SCSI controllers, network, communication, terminal servers, you name it.
It could be a 50-port
>serial card. Unfortunately, I don't have a list of Emulex parts anymore.
Serves 'em $#%%^@& right. Emulex's support was (is) of the most suckful sort.
I would never recommend any of their products to anybody (forget about getting
any kind of support or end-of-life info from these #&@*^$* people).
They used to make decent PeeCee video boards.
Ohhhh, damn-- don't get me started . . . .
Jeff
At 06:32 AM 7/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
Okay, here's what's in my "Garage"
6800/6809:
2 SwTPc 6800's (neither of which works)
American Automation AA-570 Development system (6802 based)
SwTPc S/09 (never fired up)
SSB Chieftain 9512 (in SwTPc cabinet)
CoCo III, With FDD
ExorBUS KLUDGE, containing various ExorBUS compatible hardware.
Commodore:
VIC-20 with two 1541's and a 80-column display (broke)
C-64 also with two 1541's and 80 col.
C-128 with 1571 FDD (keyboard trashed)
68000:
AT&T Unix PC-7300, 40Mb HD, 1Mb RAM (it's in pieces, working on an upgrade)
NCR 1600 series Tower, running Unix SVR3
Other:
H-89 with CP/M (also broke)
Intellivision II w/computer and Music attachments (modulator broke)
Mattel Aquarius (still in the box)
AT least 5 Wyse Wy-50 terminals, in various states of disrepair
FLUKE 1720A IEEE instrument controller (broke, waiting for prints)
HP 9816 instrument controller, with external IEEE HDD/FDD.
I also have an Apple ][+ and a //c, but they really don't belong to
me. I'm just trying to get them into working order.
I also have a array of PeeCee compatibles, and a MAC, none of which
qualify for discussion here.
Not alot, but I don't have a whole lot of space. Writing list was a kinda
depressing excercise. Most of the good stuff's *broke* in one way shape
or form. My main interest is 680x and 68000's.
Jeff
>I was just wondering, how many computers do all you have out there???
>
> Michael Sheflin
>
>
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I have several System V 3.2 manuals (not going to list all the titles here but
suffice it to say a 6" high stack). They are still in the shrinkwrap.
Free to good home if you pay shipping or pick up in Phoenix, AZ - I don't
have any machines that run that, nor do I intend to....
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Are you sure about that first one? I tried to install it on a PS/2 Model
70 and it didn't recognize the hard drive. In general, i've found Minix
to be simply awful with recognizing hard drives.
>MINIX plug, it's value is, sources are on line and it runs on XTs and
>PS/2s and the whole install with sorces fits in something like 40mb.
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MAX writes:
< > Is that OS actually useful for something?
It's unix... depending on who you ask yes or no. ;)
Compared to DOS it's better, it's a real multiprocessing OS.
As implmented for 386 and larger it lacks VM making some BIG unix apps
like Xwindows unlikely but for text apps it screams. There is a version
called minix-vm and from what I've hears runs well.
MINIX plug, it's value is, sources are on line and it runs on XTs and
PS/2s and the whole install with sorces fits in something like 40mb.
It's limits are no VM, support for COM1/2 only and the book/CDrom cost
about 70$. It is available on the net, install kits and sources.
I installed it on the Dell and it was textbook easy (compared to dos!)
and considering the machine is a 386sx/16 it's really quite fast.
Allison
Are file formats different between RSX-11M and RT-11? If I get one of the
PDPs up and running I need to sort out the 40-50 disk packs that should be
a mixture of RT and RSX.
There's a boot pack labeled for the 11/24 but it will be a surprise as to
which OS boots. I think there's an RK07 pack for the 11/34A and I
understand from the previous owner that RSX had been the OS running on it.
If there's some version dependancy involved, the RSX boot disk pack is
probably 4.x and if the 11/24 pack is RT, it is *possibly* v3.x.
There's an even bigger batch of 9-track tapes. ~75 or so hangin' on the
tape rack. But, I think most of those could be backup tapes or development
files from Moog Hydropoint machine tools (Moog made computer controlled
machine tools) according to what I see in the rather cryptic contents of
the labels. I gotta get the rack w/TS03 and TS11 subsystem lashed up to the
11/24 or 11/34A (whichever I get running first) to check them out.
Will an RL01 pack be readable in an RL02 drive?
Thanks again,
Chris
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Jamestown, NY USA
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
I have been taking inventory of the boot ROMS on the M9312 modules in
several of the PDP-11's in the great haul. In the pile of documents there
is an older manual for the 9312 (1978 copyright, purple/maroon cover.)
Fine. I was able to determine what's what re this subject and their
respective boot devices (RL01, RK07, etc.)
However, I need help identifying this one found in my 11/34A: 767A9. Need
the charts/boot device type for this one which show the same type data as I
see in my older 9312 manual.
Also, in the 11/24 I found a different E20 ROM (the console/diagnostic
ROM). Its number is 774F1. The number found on all the other 9312 E20 ROMS
is 248F1.
Now, is this 774F1 specific to the 11/24 only? Or, is it specific to any
Unibus -11/xx which has no programmers console attached to the front of the
machine (the /24 just has a few switches on the front panel)?
The 11/34A I'm keeping and the other two 11/34x BA11's either have, or have
evidence of once having, a programmer's console attached which could be a
hint that the 248F1 is simply the E20 ROM just for 11/34x machines w/prgmrs
console.
Thanks for helping me sort out this detail.
BTW, that URL Kees Stravers posted here per my query has the most VAX
11/730 info I have found yet. It has some great info to help me get going
on my uVAX II which also came to me in that haul. Again:
http://vaxarchive.ml.org . Thanks Kees. I'm still looking for more 11/730
info everybody (so is Kees).
Thanks for the help.
--Chris
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Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
NS how old this box is, but it looks about as old as my uVax3100s...
Customer has an PH-UX machine, HP 715/100, and it's playing paperweight.
Powers on, makes hard-disk noises when the boot switch is pressed, but
doesn't talk to the console. When you push the power-off button, it makes
more noise and shuts off. Something's working, but I have no console.
Any ideas?
This happened after someone downed it the wrong way.
As I have little experience with HPs, I thought it appropriate to ask a higher
authority :)
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I guess I'll have a go...
Following is a list of the machines that my SO and I have collected:
A bunch of PDP 11 hardware (too much for me to catalog completely)
2 NeXTStation Color Turbo
1 NeXT Cube
1 Sun 386 box
1 Pentium box (running OS/2 of course)
1 Macintosh 512K
1 Macintosh IIci
1 Atari 400
2 Atari 800xl (one is parts) w/1050, 1010, 1027 printer
4 Commodore 64 (one is non-functional) w/Vic 1541, 2 Commodore 1542, and
CN2
1 Commodore 128 (not working, I'm trying to repair it)
1 Timex/Sinclair 1000
1 Apple //e
1 Apple ][+
Tony Dellett
All,
I have 3 count'em 3 (classic) systems:
Mac Plus, Dec Rainbow 100A, NeXT Computer.
I use one home non-classic and one office non-classic (both Mac PB3400) as
well.
And I am *not* going to be jealous of you guys with warehouses full of
systems...<snif>.... :-)
- Mark
Was there anything besides a 'D' model? I've seen plenty of D s but
never anything else.
> 1 Leading Edge model D XT dos
Is that OS actually useful for something?
> 1 dell 386sx/16 minix
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Anyone ever heard of a full length 16 bit ISA AT type card that has
amonst all the componets a Motorola 68000 (16mhz) processor? It says
it's made by Microcom, Inc....made in USA
Is this some sort of card to get Apple/Mac compatibility?
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At http:/www.dell.com you will find everything you need although you
will need to do some digging as Dell seems to change this site and the
method to find info every six months. Anyway, you will find
troubleshooting info, tech specs, jumper settings, illustrations, etc.
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Subject: Dell 4066/XE info needed
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 7/11/98 11:10 PM
Just picked up a Dell 4066/XE 486DX2 server unit, complete. It has EISA
slots, tons of drive slots, etc...It is in a BIG case!!....
Anyone possibly have a manual for one of these? I'd like to buy one, pay
for a copy, get a scan over the net, something. With all of you that
work in corporate business someone might have one, or know of an online
text or PDF copy.
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Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> writes:
> I have two box type units labeled as an HP9123D that appear to have two
> 3.5" type removable (floppy?) drives in each, with an HPIB bus connector
> and a cable with a 5 pin DIN on the end. It also states that it's for
> use only with the HP45849A.
Hmm, is that the p/n for a Touchscreen II aka HP150 with 12-inch
display? I know those have the 5-pin DIN connector inside and the
9123 would be contemporary, can't remember if the ones we had at
University of Maryland hooked up that way or not though.
-Frank McConnell
>> I have Windows 1.03 here, also DOS 1.25, but I am sure there were versions
>> of DOS before that.
didn't IBM release a version of DOS before that? Similarly with IBM DOS
2.0 - I'm sure that was generally available (I don't remember the
original post specifically mentioning MS-DOS)
cheers
Jules
>
The earliest version of Microsoft Windows was 1.0, which had a certain
resemblance to the DOS Shell. There were very few programs for Windows
1.0 and 2.0, and programs written under Windows 3.1 won't run on earlier
version, neither will Windows 3.1 run older software. 3.0 can run 2.0
programs. Microsoft bought QDOS (Quick & Dirty Operating System) in Beta
form from Seattle Computer, Ltd. the night before they had to give IBM
an operating system for the upcoming PC, for $50,000. The first DOS was
1.0, which had no support for hard disks as its greatest flaw. 2.0 had
hard drive support. In general, most modern programs require DOS 3.1 or
higher due to some functions DOS provides. I'm not too familiar with all
of the exact revision history. Is there a page anywhere with this info?
> Hi
>
> I was talking to a few friends and we wore wondering what the
earliest
>versions of micro soft's dos and windows was.
> The earlies version of windows I have herd of is windows 2.0, I also
think
>there was a windows whith out a version number.
>The earlies version of dos I herd about was dos1.1 or some thing like
that,
>it has been a while so I'am a byt fogggy on it.
> I am currious about the software because I wonder how well or pore
it
>worked whith speech.
>
> Pete
>
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Hi
I was talking to a few friends and we wore wondering what the earliest
versions of micro soft's dos and windows was.
The earlies version of windows I have herd of is windows 2.0, I also think
there was a windows whith out a version number.
The earlies version of dos I herd about was dos1.1 or some thing like that,
it has been a while so I'am a byt fogggy on it.
I am currious about the software because I wonder how well or pore it
worked whith speech.
Pete
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>> I beleive just about all the Newton Messagepads were done in clear
>>cases and they're really not _that_ uncommon. You'll see them for sale
> Nope... I don't recall any clear MP's, except maybe a few special ones that
> I've forgotten about... The eMate 300 is the only Newton I remember that
> had a clear case. And if I think hard, I am beginning to recall there might
> have been a few 100's or 110's with clear cases. They may not be uncommon,
> but they aren't common either... Much fewer than the so called "rare" Woz
> edition Apple IIgs computers.
There was a 'special edition' of the Newton 120 in clear case.
A friend of mine has one - I'm still looking - there are only
a few known in Germany, and they still sell for prices around
800-100 DM (USD 500+). Still on my wishlist.
>>every 6 months or so if you read the Newton Classifieds. Most recently,
>>I saw a non-working MP 100 go for $100 (my offer was the second highest
>>at $40). From what I understand, there were even some Newton's done in
>>wooden cases, though I'm not sure if these were operational. Prototypes
>>of the eMate were also done in a wide variety of colors.
> Never heard of wood ones. Ouch, I got a splinter from my MP... :-) And I
> think there may ahve been 3 or 4 colors for the prototype eMates. I think
> I've seen two different colors. As for MP100's, $50 is the max they should
> be selling for. I saw someone trying to sell one for $300, and it really
> doesn't make sense until you see all the extra memory cards, the larger of
> which can cost a LOT of money.
As fas as I remember these woioden MPs where all mock ups - just
a pice of carved wood.
Gruss
H.
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> I came across a performa 636cd, (i know, under 10 yrs by far.) but this
> is a more generic question. It has a 68LC040 processor; I need a straight
> 68040 for NetBSD... is it possible to nab one of these from someplace and
> just put it in? besides any clock speed issues & whatnot, are they all the
> same "under the hood" ? or are they all different. I guess this applies to
> several other systems I have, since I'm interested in upgrading other things
> as well. any info appreciated. thanks!
On all 68LC040 Macs you just need to exchange it with
an 68040 to get the MathCo. Just check the frequency.
But using a 636 for NetBSD isn't a good idea - any
486-PC will give the same or better performance - but
while using Mac OS 8 the 63x are just fine machines.
Gruss
H.
P.S.: don't forget the memory update - the 63x Macs
can use 36 or 52 MB of Mem, depending on the mobo
revision. If you have 1 SIMM slot, add a 32MB module,
if there are two slots, use a 16 MB modul in the outhermost
and a 32 in the innermost slot.
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HRK
Hi Doug and all,
At 12:55 AM 7/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>Video RAM? LCD controller? Cable problem on the laptop side? Cable
>>problem on the LCD side? Bad LCD? Repair FAQ?
>>
>I have seen vertical lines on LCD's, one or more pixels wide. These were
>swapped in a repair shop, so thought there was some ESD damage to the
>drivers on the LCD module. The lines were still there when the cables,
>controller were switched. The rest of the display still worked OK. It may
>have bad contacts to the LCD electrodes, as well, this could give the same
>effect, although open contacts may leave the addressed line "blank" not black.
>-Dave
>
I did a search on ESD and found this page for display panels, CD's etc. that
you have had enough of.
>http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~wwl/Plasma.html
There is also an interesting discussion of NIXIE and other display tubes if
you go back to the main page.
