- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by cfandt＠servtech.com

In the MicroPDP-11/73 that I got in the great haul there's an Emulex quad board which I want to identify. An identifying number on it is C3987-C. Two 50-pin headers are on the edge pointing to the back. No cables attached. Stuff obviously has been swiped >from this system.

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by franke＠sbs.de

> BBC Microcomputer Model B-plus B-plus ? Never heard of it or is this jus another motherboard revision ? > Torch Z80 Card x 2 ?? same here. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 15, 0:47, Christopher Denham wrote: > I have a Torch its a big box 2 5 1/4 drives plugs into the Tube of > the BBC and runs msdos about half the speed of a XT ......... That sounds like a Graduate. There were several Torch units; the original was a Eurocard-sized Z80 processor that fitted inside the BBC and came with dual double-sided 80-track drives in a case styled to fit under the Beeb. Notorious for noisy head solenoids and a rather iffy SMPSU. Then came the Graduate, based on an 8086 (?), followed by the Unicorn, which was a repackaged Beeb with a Z000 (? or 68000?) running a Xenix derivative. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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taking care of bad sectors... easy stuff. Was: Re: hard

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

At 09:37 AM 7/15/98 -0500, you wrote: E-Mail Me privately, at: jeff.pat(a)mindspring.com Jeff >OK, easy on that anti-MS stuff. Kai might be reading :) Anyway, Scandisk >is useful for erasing lost files which is all I use it for. Does anyone >have an old copy of Spinrite or know of a place where I could get it? >How much does the latest one go for? > >>I truely hate the brain-damaged program >>ScanDisk as nothing more than a Trojan Horse! Microsoft should have >>known better than to put out something like that. I have *never* had a >>problem with Spinrite although that probably includes only a few >hundred >>drives I have worked on. >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >

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MAD Computer

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

At 10:01 AM 7/15/98 -0500, you wrote: I'll bet I know-- My MAD-1 (nee TELEX 1186) had a card with such a BNC connector. It was used for connectivity with IBM mainframes (3720 Emulation?), and pretty much useless for anything else. Jeff >Speaking of TELEX, they once had the tan-colored 286 boxes, pretty >small, with only a 3.5" fdd and a hardcard. They had a BNC connector >emanating from the motherboard. Does anyone know what that was for? If >it's a network card, does anyone know about drivers? > >>I once had one of these nasty little beasties. In fact, it was >>a rare version that was badged for TELEX/Memorex. It used an >>80186 CPU-- It was fast, at least to me, anyway (although >>I don't recall the clock speed). > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >

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Atari 800 (was free atari in Sacremento)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-07-15 05:19:21 EDT, thomas pfaff put forth: << What always amazed me was this huge aluminum casting at the center of the machine where you inserted the BASIC and game cartridges. That casting must have added significant cost to manufacturing the >> well, my atari 400 is the same way. ive never seen a computer with so much metal in it like that. perhaps it was for emissions issues? the 400 had that dreadful keypad too so i can imagine even the best typist could only type about 1-2cps. david

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C64 parts

by manney＠lrbcg.com

I've several junk C64's I have been saving, if you want parts from them. manney(a)lrbcg.com "Enough is abundance to the wise." -- Euripides >Anyone know a good source of C64/C128 parts in the US (the chips >mostly). I have a C128 and two C64s that are going to require >replacement chips and I have no idea where to get them. > >Thanks >Tony > > >

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Rare vs. Desirable

by fmc＠reanimators.org

> What is it with Apple and clear plastic cases anyways? I think I remember > clear plastic Apple ]['s at dealers. Did Apple do this for all of their > models? I remember clear plastic Apple ][ lids. In fact I think I remember seeing them for sale in Computerland in Rockville, MD way long ago, but can't recall whether they were made by Apple or just made to fit. Just the thing to show off your new computer inside its boring beige case. Apple is not alone in the clear-plastic business. I've seen clear cases for some older HP calculators from the mid-to-late 1970s. -Frank McConnell

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

This is totally off-topic but this is the kind of thing you all can appreciate, and it may even help some of you. For the last several months I have constantly been spammed by what can be described as Son-of-Spamford. There's some spam e-mail software marketing company in Los Angeles that sends out millions of these messages I guess. They use web crawlers that steal e-mail addresses from web pages. They then send out this spam letter with forged headers and false return addresses. Very annoying. However, they do include a phone number and address at the end of the spam. Interesting. I've included the message at the end of this message so you can see if you've been spammed by these assholes as well. I was so incensed at one point that I was almost going to buy a plane ticket, fly down to L.A. with a box full of this spam e-mail printed out, kick the door open to the office that these guys are in, find the president of this "company", beat the shit out of him (or pimp-slap her), then start shoving the printouts down this person's throat (yes, this is rather violent :) But I soon figured out that the address was merely a private mailbox, and the phone number rings into a voicemail box. Hmmm. Well, I have the resources to find out where this number rings in to, possibly track down the service provider, but then what? Then I realized, "Hey, I have a PBX, a T-1 and a voicemail system with 16 ports...its time to have some fun." Thus sprang forth the Spaminator! The Spaminator is something I threw together in about 10 minutes. What the Spaminator does is call the offendor's number, wait for the voicemail to answer, dial a digit to cut thru the outgoing message, then it starts singing simple tunes by playing "spam" in different notes. I recorded a "spam" scale with my own voice. Basically I sang "spam" starting from A and going to G. I created 10 different song files, with simple tunes such as "Mary Had a Little Spam", "Twinkle Twinkle Little Spam", "Happy Spamday", "We Shall Overcome (the spam)", "Jingle Spam", "Popeye the Sailor Spam", and a few others. The Spaminator randomly selects three spam tunes to play for each call. It plays the tunes, then hangs up and calls right back up again. The Spaminator is currently running, filling up the spammers voicemail box with spam tunes. Hopefully, it will fill up the voicemail box and they won't be able to receive any other messages. Also, it will bring them much anguish as they constantly try to delete these messages that don't stop coming. The last I checked the Spaminator had played over 100 spam tunes into their voicemail box. I am ecstatic. The Spaminator will continue to run over night. Tomorrow morning I will check its progress (it keeps a log of all tunes it plays so I know how many it did). If anyone is interested in utilizing the Spaminator for spaminating other egregious spammers, let me know. I can easily program it to simultaneously call out to other phone numbers and sing a symphony of spam for them as well. I hope that my simple solution brings some manner of grief to these idiots, whoever they are. Ideally it will give them more anguish than their constant barrage of spam has brought me. I will not relent. My next step is to try and track down the actual owners of this "business", try to find out their other phone numbers (preferrably home numbers) and unleash the Spaminator on those numbers as well. Thanks for letting me vent. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/05/98] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:16:46 -0700 From: "***Bull*sEye)*" <33rq2w(a)att.net> To: vcoffey(a)bu.edu Authenticated sender is <33rq2w(a)att.net> Subject: ++BullsEye-*Targeting*Software*)+ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!! Bull's Eye Gold is the PREMIER email address collection tool. This program allows you to develop TARGETED lists of email addresses. Doctors, florists, MLM, biz opp,...you can collect anything...you are only limited by your imagination! You can even collect email addresses for specific states, cities, and even countries! All you need is your web browser and this program. Our software utilizes the latest in search technology called "spidering". By simply feeding the spider program a starting website it will collect for hours. The spider will go from website to targeted website providing you with thousands upon thousands of fresh TARGETED email addresses. When you are done collecting, the spider removes duplicates and saves the email list in a ready to send format. No longer is it necessary to send millions of ads to get a handful of responses...SEND LESS...EARN MORE!!! A terrific aspect of the Bull's Eye software is that there is no difficult set up involved and no special technical mumbo-jumbo to learn. All you need to know is how to search for your targeted market in one of the many search engines and let the spider do the rest! Not familiar with the search engines? No problem, we provide you with a list of all the top search engines. Just surf to the location of a search engine on your browser then search for the market you wish to reach...it's that easy! For instance if you were looking for email addresses of Doctors in New York all you would do is: 1) Do a search using your favorite search engine by typing in the words doctor(s) and New York 2) Copy the URL (one or more)...that's the stuff after the http://... for instance it might look like http://www.yahoo.com/?doctor(s)/?New+York 3) Press the START button THAT's IT!!! The Bull's Eye spider will go to all the websites that are linked, automatically extracting the email addresses you want. The spider is passive too! That means you can let it run all day or all night while you are working on important things or just having fun on your computer. There is no need to keep a constant watch on it, just feed it your target market and give it praise when it delivers thousands of email addresses at the end of the day! 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Help ID Emulex quad module(here's more info...)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 15, 15:01, Christian Fandt wrote: > This is "tomorrow". More details from that silvery sticker: > > "TOP ASSY TC0210201-FSH" > "S/N 93395" > "Sub ASSY C3987 C" > > Hmmm, that Top Assy number has TC02 in it Tim. Also, when looking at the > board from the component side up, edge fingers downward, there is a male > 26-pin header at top left and a male 20-pin header at top right. In top > center is a 4-position DIP switch (SW1) and a single LED (CR1). Just to > left of center and downward there are SW2 and SW3 which are both > 10-position DIP switches. "C3987" is on a small bar coded sticker under the > left-hand 50-pin header. > > With that TC02 in the Top Assy number would that mean this is indeed a TC02 > tape I/F as you figured? It's exactly the TC02 that I have (and have the manual for). The two male headers you mentioned are for diagnostics connections the factory used. It can handle up to 4 tape drives (that's what 4 of 10-way DIP switch are for). I can dig out the manual for you next week -- sorry, this week is too hectic to do it right now. You might want to send me some private email to remind me, of course :-) > If so what tape drive model(s) should I be looking for? Any Pertec-interface drive. Kennedy drives were popular. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by poesie＠geocities.com

Speaking of, does *67 cost? I've been up to the same pranks as Sam, w/ a local "mass marketer." I vaguely recalled it being a feature that cost nothing, but I never was sure. Sorry to keep this thread going, as humourous as it is :) -Eric >Don't forget to dial *67 or whatever the sequence is in your area to >disable the caller ID from being passed on to the recipient. If not, >they may have proof of your harrassing phone calls (and I'm sure such >slime would resort to it...) > > Megan Gentry

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by peacock＠simconv.com

Here in Nevada a new anti-spam law just went into efect on July 1. Unsolicited commercial email, if sent after you request it to stop, is now a $5 (five dollars, that was not a typo) fine. I'm sure that will keep those spammers out of my mailbox. Jack Peacock -----Original Message----- From: Max Eskin [mailto:maxeskin@hotmail.com] Lawsuits are more effective because if he continues to do it, he'll lose all the money he made, maybe even go to jail.

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C64 parts

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

Okay, I'm gonna come right out and ask it... Anyone know a good source of C64/C128 parts in the US (the chips mostly). I have a C128 and two C64s that are going to require replacement chips and I have no idea where to get them. Thanks Tony

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How many computers?

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Speaking of books, >has anyone seen the book "We Built our own Computers" by A.B. Holt, >Cambridge Univ. Press, published about 1966. I remember one from years ago which was how to build (and program) a simple computer using paperclips and lights... (and a program 'drum' made out of a coffee can). I think I still have it... is this what you're thinking of? Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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hard drive data recovery

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I'm not sure what that means, but I assume that the servo surface contains a sort of coordinate system that the servo head reads and thus guides the other heads. If that assumption is correct, why isn't it possible to realign the thing with another servo platter? >Of course if it's a drive with a separate servo surface and the servo >head is the one that's crashed then you lose everything. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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just wondering

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Well, I have DOS 1.1 (May, 1982) and Windows 1.03. In fact, I'm in the process of de-compiling DOS 1.1, now. BootSector: done. IBMBIO: 75% done. IBMDOS: not started yet. I'm still looking for DOS 1.0. In fact, I have copies of many true-IBM dos-es (not OEM versions). Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin! Charter Member - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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taking care of bad sectors... easy stuff. Was: Re: hard

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< A more "classic"-related question related to some faded brain < cell connections in my head: Wasn't there once a CP/M version of < the Norton utilities, long before the IBM PC was even a glimmer < in its parent's eyes? There were several for CP/M, apple][ and trs80. Most were bad sector scanners and disk editors. Very useful though as TRS80 and most cp/m crates with external drive would write garbage to any externally powered disks if the system was powered off with media in the drive. Alison

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How many computers?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Let me tell you why one of my keyboards now has an 'enter' key with the corner smashed off by a hammer: the damn Packard Bell with all integrated serial ports, hard disk controller, etc. wouldn't let me set my modem up on COM2 or COM4. Plus, this took very long to verify because the hard disk controller makes the IDE act like a C= 1541. >> I will say this, though: At this point in the evolution of computers, if >> you find users of your systems are wanting regularly to add on more than >> three (or so) cards or sidecar modules, you have drastically misevaluated >> your target market and deserve to start haemorrhaging market share. IMO. > >No way!. Maybe for the average consumer PC (build the disk controllers, >serial/parallel ports, etc into the motherboard), but in my case I'll >want all sorts of strange special-purpose cards (user I/O, ADC, I2C, >special disk controllers, etc, etc, etc). > >I've managed to fill the 14 slots in a PC/XT+expansion chassis and still >wanted more!. BTW, is it possible to build one of those? How does it work? >> Those don't count. (: Even the monitor and power supply hookups are BERG >> strips. Sick. What is a BERG strip? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by franke＠sbs.de

> Here in Nevada a new anti-spam law just went into efect on July 1. > Unsolicited commercial email, if sent after you request it to stop, is > now a $5 (five dollars, that was not a typo) fine. I'm sure that will > keep those spammers out of my mailbox. USD five ? HoHoHo. Stoping after request isnt exactly whats needed - The SPAM is already done. And getting a replay will make the address more valuable: now it is validates - the spammer now could sell the address to s.o. else for a single usage without any fear of beeing prosecuted. And you could still spamm the other people. And even if - Send out 5000 SPAMs and get 10 complains and pay USD 50 - thats USD 0.01 per 'customer contact' still _very_ cheap. I don't know if you ever looked into marketing, but companies are paying up to USD 20.00 for a singe use of ONE address. I don't think ths law will have any impact - very spaming friendly. Just done to get votes but avoide any change. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Thus sprang forth the Spaminator! The Spaminator is something I threw >together in about 10 minutes. What the Spaminator does is call the >offendor's number, wait for the voicemail to answer, dial a digit to cut >thru the outgoing message, then it starts singing simple tunes by playing >"spam" in different notes. I recorded a "spam" scale with my own voice. >Basically I sang "spam" starting from A and going to G. Don't forget to dial *67 or whatever the sequence is in your area to disable the caller ID from being passed on to the recipient. If not, they may have proof of your harrassing phone calls (and I'm sure such slime would resort to it...) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Europe tour

by wanderer＠bos.nl

If they still have it, the is an old PDP in the Utrecht office of Digital. As far as I can remember (have seen it at least 10 years ago) it's blue, has 3 panels and the centerpanel has a round tube (a scope tube?). There were also a lot of switches on the panels. I believe that the University in Utrecht has a museum of some sort with various computers which they used over the years. You might like to go to the Waterloo square in Amsterdam, every Monday till Friday there is a flea market, and certainly there will be some vintage stuff for sale. Ed

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taking care of bad sectors... easy stuff. Was: Re: hard

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

First of all, I think that the latest Norton Utilities are soooo bloated, they possibly won't even run on a damaged computer. High-res pictures of your computer components are the latest thing you need when you can't find a vital data file. For example, what good is it to have a data recovery program you can't run if you just formatted your hard drive? That said, I think NU is a good tool, but Spinrite is still better than NDD. >First of all MS didn't write scandisk... anyone that uses norton tools >should recognize it. it a stripped vendor version the norton tool. > >I have had excellent success with norton tools and still used copies >I've had for over 8years. > >Allison > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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MAD Computer

by franke＠sbs.de

>>Does anyone have a MAD Computer? It was just another boring peecee > MAD = Magnetic Anomoly Detector > Or in other words it's used in Anti-Submarine Warfare. NoNo. MAD = Militaerischer Abschirmdienst (military counter inteligence) > (Sorry couldn't resist, yes I realize in this case this isn't what you meant.) dto :) H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Anyone out there have...

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

A deceased C128 that would be willing to give up it's keyboard? I need a replacement for the C128 I'm refurbing. Thanks Tony

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by peacock＠simconv.com

This is a case of the law being intended (originally) for quite different purposes. The story behind it is that the Nevada Legislature has an email system where the public can send comments to the lawmakers when the Legislature is in session (every other year for a few months). It seems last year someone flamed one of the senior politicians, he got pissed off, claimed it was racially motivated hate mail and tried to outlaw flaming. Someone (the state attorney general) pointed out to him his proposed law violated both free speech and right to petition for redress in the Constitution, but he wouldn't back down and withdraw his bill, so to keep it legal it was changed to an anti-spam law, and in theory flame mail can be legally defined as spam too. No one expects this law to ever be enforced. Jack Peacock -----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke [mailto:franke@sbs.de] USD five ? I don't think ths law will have any impact - very spaming friendly. Just done to get votes but avoide any change.

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I'm back!

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Yes, I have returned. Lord Almighty, what a haul!! I can say with confidence that I definitely tested the maximum load specs for the (rented) Ford Windstar minivan. Every time I went over a good bump, the rear springs -almost- bottomed out. I'll be updating my web page soon with the gory details. Suffice to say I've got more than enough to keep me going, project-wise, well into next year. Among the more 'classic' items in the haul were a Kennedy 9100 tape drive installed in a nice 5-foot DEC rack, and a box full of 9-track tapes containing mostly DECUS RT-11 SIG libraries. Tony, I know you'll get a kick out of this. I also got hold of another 11/44 CPU box, loaded with cards (including a Unibus UDA50 disk controller). Between that one and my current unit, I should be able to get the power supply going AND fix the broken one for a spare! Since I'm not heavily into RT-11 (yet), I'd like to offer the RT-11 SIG tapes to whoever's interested and willing to pay shipping. There's about six or so, maybe a couple more. And would you believe I'm already planning next year's run? I know I'll see at least some of you at VCF in another couple of months. Until then... Banzai! ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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hard drive data recovery

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Alright for some :-). Alas most of us don't have access to a clean room. < Even if I was working at a place which had one, I can't believe they'd be < too happy if I wandered in with an HDA and started stripping it. Majorly true. I worked in pharmaceuticals and though they didn't use super clean rooms (class 10,000 worst case) the equipment was under a laminar airflow curtain with a flow of 100 linear feet per minute and the air under there was class 100. The air flow was obvious ly of the the machine then into the room where super clean was less important. < I would have thought looking for backscattered light would be more < sensitive and easier to set up. Still not sensitive enough for a clean < box, of course (in this form). The air flow and the sensing area cross section are important. Using a light source like a laser is helpful in getting the backscatter brighter. This is the problem of how many Angeles can dance on the end of a pin. You build a clean box and use a good HEPA filter. With 100-200cfm of incomming clean air once the dust in the box has been blown out it will be clean especially if gloved hands are the only thing inside. I'e heard a lot of "good luck", "it will not last" and "too dirty" from those that haven't. I've done it, when RD53s and 54s were in desperately short supply here and it does work without the clean box with some care. Obvious tricks like wearing nylon gloves to avoid finger prints, a canister of dry air to blow things off and keeping the unit covered when possible all reduce risk. Allison

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hard drive data recovery

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< I'm not sure what that means, but I assume that the servo surface < contains a sort of coordinate system that the servo head reads and thus < guides the other heads. If that assumption is correct, why isn't it < possible to realign the thing with another servo platter? First it depends if the servo is embedded or dedicated platter or stepper (or other absolute positioner). For dedicated platter one head is assigned as the servo head and since they are all mechanically one assembly the rest just follow along. Now if a platter is changed it's data may be offset relative to the others. Same thing is true for replacing a head as the RELATIVE alignment between heads is disturbed. This case I believer the disk can be low level formatted and reused but existant data may be lost. If servo information does not exist (DeMIL'd drive) it's likely good for parts as servo tracks are hard to regenerate. If it's embedded servo per head each head as selected will follow the selected track servo signals and making relative head alignment less critical. If the servo is blown there is no way to regenerate easily. For cases of absolute positioners like older ST506/412/225/251 (and a swarm of others) drives getting alignment to cylinder 000 and beteeen heads would be critical for complete data recovery. If the drive is to be reformatted however a bulk erase and reformat will establish new tracks in some cases and make a mess in others. In the case of removable pack drives that is a totally different can of worms though simpler as they so have alignment procedures for field or depot use. Allison

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European Tour

by cfandt＠servtech.com

At 22:25 14-07-98 -0500, you wrote: >I'm planning to be in Europe for a week or so in October (a few days each >in Holland, Belgium, and Germany). I'd like to sneak in a few nerd-stops >along the way, and I'll make room in my suitcase for a couple of vintage >portables just in case. Any suggestions for the American nerd tourist in >Europe? > Doug, if you indeed do go to Munich to see the Deutches Museum I suggest you set aside at least a _full_ day to see only a couple of sections or several days to see most of the museum. Roller skates or rollerblades would be of great help to see more in less time<g> I'm the type of person who studies a museum and have spent two to four hours in each of the few sections I've visited during the three different visits to the Deutches Museum. As Hans just said in a previous msg in this thread, the computer section is indeed about 12,000 square feet. Loved it! Seriously, I do recommend seeing the collections at Deutches Museum to anybody who may visit Munich. Something for everybody. Check out URL: http://www.deutsches-museum.de/dme01.htm if you're interested. Have fun in Europe, --Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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IBM 3380 HDA

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Yes, dual head positioners on both sides plus four twenty pin connectors on both sides as well. David is correct as well, I have confirmed this HDA is from an IBM 4381 mainframe and uses a 3880 controller. Does this HDA have a lineage that goes back to the IBM Ramac? Any idea when this HDA was introduced? It certainly will make a great paper weight. Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: IBM 3380 HDA Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 7/15/98 11:07 AM At 10:59 15-07-98 -0400, you wrote: > I just acquired an IBM 3380 HDA which weighs 70 lbs, and is in a clear > plastic case. Does anybody know the lineage of this? The HDA has IBM > 390X-001 as well as 13-E8719-CJ printed on a label. Good Lord... unless I miss my guess, that's from a System/390 mainframe! Let me guess... dual head positioners on either side, yes? And big connectors with about a zillion pins? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..." ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Jul15.110730.1767.51412; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:07:31 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA07163; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:05:18 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA43306 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:05:13 -0700 Received: from repop1.jps.net (repop1.jps.net [208.25.63.34]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id IAA07964 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:05:12 -0700 Received: from seleth (sea-port157.jps.net [209.63.189.116]) by repop1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA07712 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980715080612.00e5b9e0(a)mail.wa.jps.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:06:12 -0700 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)jps.net> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: IBM 3380 HDA In-Reply-To: <1998Jul15.105724.1767.118953(a)smtp.itgonline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: kyrrin(a)mail.wa.jps.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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MAD Computer

by franke＠sbs.de

> On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Thomas Pfaff wrote: >> Does anyone have a MAD Computer? It was just another boring peecee >> but I liked the name of the computer. I believe it was the fastest >> computer you could buy for some small amount of time- an early 80386 >> PC running at a whopping 16 mhz. > I e-bumped into a guy who knows *all* about MAD. I've captured some of > his knowledge for posterity: > http://www.yowza.com/classiccmp/mad/ Thanks Doug. Now I know - I have to have a MAD1 - I _must_ have any 80186/88 system ever build - just a obsession - maybe because I like the PC-D a lot .) Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

A short refresher on human psychology. Most of the time, a clearly thinking person does not do anything they consider wrong. Your spammer thinks he is doing someone a favor, and your songs are disrespectful teasing of his honest attempt to make money. Lawsuits are more effective because if he continues to do it, he'll lose all the money he made, maybe even go to jail. That said, keep up the good work :) >> Lawsuits appear to be the only effective weapon so far. > >I hope that 937 spam songs (at last count this morning) will bring some >manner of cheap and effective restitution. > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 07/05/98] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by franke＠sbs.de

> I've been hit many times by the same bozos. They almost always use > unsuspecting sites as spam relays, so I've been notifying these sites and > trying to shutdown the relays. > I love the spaminator idea, but isn't your phone bill going to be pretty > high this month? Also, the way spammers retaliate against retaliators is > to include your email address as the return address in their forged > headers, so you get mail-bombed by naive spam haters. > Lawsuits appear to be the only effective weapon so far. Thats one thing I realy like about the German laws - spamming via any kind of personal device is forbidden - no fax-spam, no telex spam and no e-mail spam. Spaming is considered stealing your property, since the spammer uses your fax paper and your power line to print his message, and/or your time to check and delete spam. And theft is just unlawful :) After just 4 or 5 court ruleings spamming _IN_ Germany is almost zero - we just have SPAM from outside the country like senseless US-Spamm :) Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Here in the US, we're spammed by the government, too. Though I'm under 18 and not a US citizen besides, I've gotten at least 30 requests for jury duty. BTW, what is the earliest incidence of e-mail spam? >After just 4 or 5 court ruleings spamming _IN_ Germany is >almost zero - we just have SPAM from outside the country >like senseless US-Spamm :) > >Gruss >H. > >-- >Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut >HRK > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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IBM 3380 HDA

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-07-15 10:58:12 EDT, you write: << I just acquired an IBM 3380 HDA which weighs 70 lbs, and is in a clear plastic case. Does anybody know the lineage of this? The HDA has IBM 390X-001 as well as 13-E8719-CJ printed on a label. >> hmmm, i remember seeing 3380/3880 dasd units back in 1992 when i was a computer operator running an IBM 4381 and later an ES9000. kinda useless for a pc although fascinating to look at. belt drive and everything! david

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MAD Computer

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Speaking of TELEX, they once had the tan-colored 286 boxes, pretty small, with only a 3.5" fdd and a hardcard. They had a BNC connector emanating from the motherboard. Does anyone know what that was for? If it's a network card, does anyone know about drivers? >I once had one of these nasty little beasties. In fact, it was >a rare version that was badged for TELEX/Memorex. It used an >80186 CPU-- It was fast, at least to me, anyway (although >I don't recall the clock speed). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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MAD Computer

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Clearly a very innovative company. It would be nice if all PC clone manufacturers added a little of their own abilities (well, perhaps not :) to their computers. > http://www.yowza.com/classiccmp/mad/ > >-- Doug > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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taking care of bad sectors... easy stuff. Was: Re: hard drive data recovery

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

OK, easy on that anti-MS stuff. Kai might be reading :) Anyway, Scandisk is useful for erasing lost files which is all I use it for. Does anyone have an old copy of Spinrite or know of a place where I could get it? How much does the latest one go for? >I truely hate the brain-damaged program >ScanDisk as nothing more than a Trojan Horse! Microsoft should have >known better than to put out something like that. I have *never* had a >problem with Spinrite although that probably includes only a few hundred >drives I have worked on. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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RP06 alignment

by mbg＠world.std.com

>A friend has an RP06, an alignment pack, and the alignment tool, but >lacks the instructions to do the deed. >Anyone got the manual that describes the procedure, or know how? Have your friend contact me off-line at work... I may have some RP06 manuals in my collection. Maybe one of them is a maintenance guide which explains it... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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taking care of bad sectors... easy stuff. Was: Re: hard drive data recovery

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Spinrite is most famous for low-level formatting, which is only allowed on old MFM drives, most IDE drives have a sticker that says "Do not low-level format this drive". When I used a Model D with a hardcard, I loved this program. I ran it twice a day because I had nothing else to do :) As for bad sectors, what's up with that? Why is it that sometimes a bad sector will be marked bad, then I can format a drive and have it use those 'bad sectors' just fine? > > well, I personally have never opened up a hard drive, if nothing else >because I've never had an extra to pop open (i'm too frugal. hehe.) > > Regardless, I have found the program "Spinrite" to work great on IDE >drives; it goes through and can fix bad sectors, or mark them totally >unusable. this really differs from standard formats/etc, because I've been >able to take drives w/ 30mb of bad sectors and get it to 0 bad sectors, and >still running fine w/ no problems after a year. i believe they are on >version 5, i got version 4 for about 20 bucks. This is kind of off-topic and >doesn't cover a whole lot of you out there, but when you buy a box of 100 >drives that are all "bad", you can sometimes salvage quite a few of them. > > >-Eric > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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MAD Computer

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

I once had one of these nasty little beasties. In fact, it was a rare version that was badged for TELEX/Memorex. It used an 80186 CPU-- It was fast, at least to me, anyway (although I don't recall the clock speed). The Powersupply and floppy drives were in one unit, and the CPU was in another. It had a CGA compatible display adaptor. It also had what appeared to be an ISA bus, but most stock PeeCee cards would cause problems. I hacked this one by adding an 8-bit Hard disk controller, and disabling the HDC bios ROM. There was support for the HDC in the MAD-186 ROM, but the harddisk was not a standard option (AFAIK). I think this is the only computer I ever destroyed on purpose, and out of spite, no less. When we bought our 1st '286, my wife urged me to give the MAD to her brother. I really should have resisted, because the thing became a support nightmare. "Can I put a joystick on this?" "Uhh, whats an 'ERROR TRAP'?" "Uhh, RatRacer keeps locking up, can you fix this?" The computer got passed around the family, and I finally ended up with it about three years ago, when it was summarily smashed into little pieces-- retribution for countless sleepless nights when I had to play 'Tech Support'. I had been driven to the edge of MADness. Needless to say I wasn't into CLASSICS yet. I DID save the part with the PS and flopy disk drives, though . . . Jeff At 11:29 PM 7/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone have a MAD Computer? It was just another boring peecee >but I liked the name of the computer. I believe it was the fastest >computer you could buy for some small amount of time- an early 80386 >PC running at a whopping 16 mhz. > >Just curious... I just like the concept... >Perhaps they should have used the slogan... > >"Everyone should have a MAD computer in their home!" > >Or perhaps not... > >Thomas >

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How many computers?

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

> From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 2:14 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: How many computers? > > > > > > Actually, there is a little known difference on the power > supply board > > between a beige Mac plus and a Platinum Mac Plus. Just a > diode but boy > > Were they both Capetronics designs? The one in my Mac+ (is > there an easy > way to tell them apart when it's been dicoloured by sunlight...) is. > > Where is the diode connected between, and which version has it? > I really dont remember where it is. This was back in 1988 or so :) Tony

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IBM 3380 HDA

by Marty＠itgonline.com

I just acquired an IBM 3380 HDA which weighs 70 lbs, and is in a clear plastic case. Does anybody know the lineage of this? The HDA has IBM 390X-001 as well as 13-E8719-CJ printed on a label. Thanks, Marty

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MAD Computer

by thomas100＠home.com

Does anyone have a MAD Computer? It was just another boring peecee but I liked the name of the computer. I believe it was the fastest computer you could buy for some small amount of time- an early 80386 PC running at a whopping 16 mhz. Just curious... I just like the concept... Perhaps they should have used the slogan... "Everyone should have a MAD computer in their home!" Or perhaps not... Thomas

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European Tour

by franke＠sbs.de

> I'm planning to be in Europe for a week or so in October (a few days each > in Holland, Belgium, and Germany). I'd like to sneak in a few nerd-stops > along the way, and I'll make room in my suitcase for a couple of vintage > portables just in case. Any suggestions for the American nerd tourist in > Europe? Hmm, couldn't you be a bit more specific ? A few days in Germany is like saying 'visiting Alaska and BC and maybe some days on the West Coast' ... Oh Boy, Germany is more than 700 miles 'high' and up to 500 'wide' (nowadays:). Ok, for historic nerds there are at least 3 main places: - Museum fur Verkehr und Technik in Berlin - here you can find (beside a small display) a _complete_ replica of the Zuse Z1 computer - the first computer - and all mechanical :) - The Heinz Nixdorf Museum in Paderborn (a small city middle of nowhere) - They have a real comprehensive display. The single largest in Germany. A lot of small systems from the 70's - Of course since this museum started out as a company nuseum of Nixdorf. - The Deutsches Museum in Munich - THE science museum - I think #1 worldwide - the only thing coming close anyhwere might be the Smithonian Collections. A museum about almost anything. Also including a small Computer display - some 12,000 sqft. They have things like Zuse Z3 replika, Z22, Siemens 2002, PERM, IBM 360/20, TR4, Mark 1...realy impressiv. Althrough I think the modern part is a bit .. hmm .. lets say more like a junk yard - only a PC and a PET hidden in a sidecase and other random parts ... :( - They (the Deutsches Museum) opened a subsidary in Bonn some time ago (Kohl wanted to have such things in hs 'capitol' city :) - But this museum is nice, and well done, but more political/modern historical orientated - only 3 pices are special computer orientated: parts of a Z23 computer (afair the drum), some boxes of the SUPRENUM Project, and a 1 meg chip from VEB Forschungszentrum Mikroelektronik Dresden - the last East German high tech product - they almost ruined their industry - any research money available and a lot more was spend for this development. Beside these, maybe the RWTH in Aaachen (Aachen university) could be an interesting place - they have a small display of big old stuff ... Aachen, Bonn and Paderborn might be close enough to the westen border (Begique/Holland). Oh yes, and maybe send Stefan Walgenbach <walgen(a)do.isst.fhg.de> a mail - he is building the HCM (Home Computer Museum) in Oberhausen, thats just 60km east of the Dutch border. Maybe he invites you to see his collection of classic 80's small and home- computers - he has a big heap of european (English, French and German) home computers. Some hints about your planned tour would help. And if you come to Munich (Deutsches Museum) I would be glad to show you the museum, the city and bragg with my collection :) Servus H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Painting Macs (was: fake next)

by peacock＠simconv.com

DEC actually tried something like that in the late 70's, they had an option for some kind of designer pattern painted on small racks going into office environments. I think it only lasted a few months, but I do remember getting the brochures from DEC (company was an OEM from DEC at the time). Response was underwhelming. Personally, if it isn't beige or blue I don't consider it a "real" computer. When DEC went to the black racks and purple lettering (hmm, early 70s?) that was too radical for me, I was glad to see a return to the traditional beige rack. DEC did have a nice desk with a builtin short rack, it was sold with PDP-8s used for small business office applications. It looked like a regular desk, but the left side was actually a 19" wide rack. It held a BA-11 and a dual 8" floppy box. For our customers that was more popular than the "designer" panels. Jack Peacock -----Original Message----- From: Tom Owad [mailto:tomowad@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 9:19 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Painting Macs (was: fake NeXT) >I have this weird idea that one day custom paint jobs on computers might >make me some extra money. Am I crazy? Do you think there would ever be a >market for it?

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< I love the spaminator idea, but isn't your phone bill going to be pretty < < Lawsuits appear to be the only effective weapon so far. < Sam, If traced back to you, the action you've taken is covered by law so you could be at risk. I agree that bunch is a problem as are the earthlink sex girls that are apparently not anywhere from earthlink. Allison

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hard drive data recovery

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Now, my question. Let's say a single head crashes. This would raise up < some dust off the platter, right? Would it be possible to recover the < material that wasn't destroyed by the dragging head? What if this < deformed the platter? Head crashes are always bad. What generally happens for 5" and 3.5" winis is the head is ripped off the mount, slammed against the wall and shattered. the free arm gouges the platter badly. the metal dust from the grinding gets into the rest of the heads and it cascades. If shut down when the head first goes the platter will be shot. Repair would be trying to get head and arm assembly, another drive to get a good platter from. Then there is the problem of disassembleing the platter drive assy as many are "glued and screwed" and maintaining tolerances on assembly. Allison

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Help ID Emulex quad module

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< >a third-party dual width card with light blue ejector handles with < >"UDC11" stamped in white letters on one. Don't know where the ribbon < >cable goes that's connected to it. I'll take the BA11 chassis out and < >peek inside tonight and report what I find on these questions. My guess the tape is not tu58 but a DC100/300/600 series tape. There wasn't a tu58 that mounted to a 5.25hole unless it was a hack. Also TU58 is easy to recognize as the drives are bare (no electornics) and the use a board that is roughly 5x10" with serial interface to the host. Also TU58 was a dual drive system though it could be configured with only one. Allison

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How many computers?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Interesting peripherals from late 1970's when I was going a lot. < 1. SWTP CT-1024 modified for 64 columns and graphics. Hope to get this < working again with some computer. I have one of those operation with the same mod! All of my collection I listed are tested operational systems. The unique boards I've built for my own use are not listed nor are some of the inop stuff salvaged for parts. I also didn't list the parts supply as that would need a T1 link to get though reasonably. I have a lot of OLD parts that were new purchase at one time! ;) Allison

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