- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Right but the original post was about the PC-MAC network and not the DEC OS thus the path the thread is taking. There was also a TOPS for UNIX (Sun 386). Also TOPS could work through Ethernet (used mostly when UNIX was involved) wich would allow for more that just PC-MAC networks. According to the Book "Networking with TOPS" the original version was made by SUN. -----Original Message----- From: Jack Peacock <peacock(a)simconv.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 12:18 PM Subject: RE: TOPS for PC, from sun > >>Well, it says that it is a full networking OS that allows mac's and >PC's >to communicate, etc. seems somewhat along the lines of what francois >has. also has a "secret proprietary etc etc" program disk called >"RTERM", circa 1985. > >Daniel A. Seagraves wrote: >> >> If it is what I immediately thought it was, (Which it can't be, >> DEC owned TOPS, not Sun...) *I WANT A COPY!* >> >> (TOPS-20 on a PC! The horror!) >> ------- > >Seems there is some confusion here. TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 were DEC >operating systems for the 36-bit DEC-10 and DEC-20 mainframes, circa >late 60's (DEC-10) thru late 70's (DEC-20). TOPS dies when the VAX came >out, thought there are vestiges left in VMS. > >The TOPS networking cards were essentially Appletalk cards for PCs. It >was a low speed network using a Z80 SIO (or SCC?) serial USART and >RS-422 drivers instead of RS-232. IIRC the speed was around >230Kbits/second (I have one in the back of a closet, haven't looked at >it for a while). No relation to the TOPS operating system at all. > Jack Peacock >

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Another Carlos album

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

One more. Sorry. MOOG Walter Carlos- the well tempered synth Item #23980914 Ebay. Again, no bids. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 08/09/98]

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Switched on Bach

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

This is an old auction on eBay I happened to run across. Perhaps this item is still available: MOOG Walter Carlos- Switched on Bach Mint Item #23979261 The auction ended with no bids. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 08/09/98]

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Back from the wild east.

by franke＠sbs.de

>>So, I'm back from my short (2wks) vacation in Estonia. >>And I have a new Baby: A Juku. Thats an estonian >>Z-80 Home computer from 1990 (ok, less than 10 Years, >>but it fitts well here :). And in fact it is a SU computer, >>since estonia was still part of the SSSR at this time. >>Anything beside CPU and PIO ist still discrete TTL. The >>caracterset is a 8 bit code with ASCII in the lower 128 >>chars and cyrillic and special symbols in the upper 128. >>CUTE! I also aquired a dual FD and a _mouse_. But I miss >>the DOS. The previous owner tried to use all Disks in a >>PC :(((( THere are also no Manuals. So, if anybody knows >>any additional source of information, pleas give me a >>hint. > As usual, I am willing to decode any cyrillic for you. Oh, decoding cyrillic istn't a real problem - it just consumes a lot of processing time for my biodynamic interpreter :) > No, I haven't heard anything about this, but what does > this thing look like? Commodoreish? Hmm - a bit - think of a Dragon after kissed by a steam roller. It's a 4 MHz Z80A clone with 16 KB dyn mem (max 64 kb), 6 kb video mem (afaI can guess) and integrated FD controller. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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TOPS for PC, from sun

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

IIRC alot of companies OEMed TOPS from TOPS (the original company) then Digital once TOPS was acquired. Tony > -----Original Message----- > From: Francois [mailto:fauradon@pclink.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 1998 3:27 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: TOPS for PC, from sun > > > Well actually I have a SUN branded version of TOPS for the > MAC and a Centram > branded version for both the PC and the MAC. I guess it's > going from hand to > hands or maby on is a clone of the other.I haven't installed > them yet but > I'm planning on using them to hook my MACs to my PC network > with a FlashCard > on a dedicated PC.. > Francois > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Visit the desperately in need of update > Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: TOPS for PC, from sun > > > >If it is what I immediately thought it was, (Which it can't be, > >DEC owned TOPS, not Sun...) *I WANT A COPY!* > > > >(TOPS-20 on a PC! The horror!) > >------- > > >

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Parallel-IDE interface for CP/M

by bobstek＠ix6.ix.netcom.com

Allison - IIRC, you were about to write some code to hook up one of these parallel-IDE HD kits to a CP/M machine with an EPP. Could this be made into a more generic project to allow file transfer over any CP/M parallel port? I for one would like to be able to transfer CP/M files from a variety of old systems to a portable IDE drive which could also be read on my PC in order to make archival copies of software for CD-ROMs. And I think there would be other interested parties as well. On another matter, thanks for the RAM 17 manual. And I'm sending you 2 unopened boxes of Dysan 10-hole hard sectored disks for your N*, plus another dozen of used, but perhaps not as used as some of yours, N* disks. Bob Stek bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com

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Back from the wild east.

by franke＠sbs.de

So, I'm back from my short (2wks) vacation in Estonia. And I have a new Baby: A Juku. Thats an estonian Z-80 Home computer from 1990 (ok, less than 10 Years, but it fitts well here :). And in fact it is a SU computer, since estonia was still part of the SSSR at this time. Anything beside CPU and PIO ist still discrete TTL. The caracterset is a 8 bit code with ASCII in the lower 128 chars and cyrillic and special symbols in the upper 128. CUTE! I also aquired a dual FD and a _mouse_. But I miss the DOS. The previous owner tried to use all Disks in a PC :(((( THere are also no Manuals. So, if anybody knows any additional source of information, pleas give me a hint. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Lisa questions

by bobstek＠ix20.ix.netcom.com

If anyone has definitive information on obtaining / copying the ROM's needed to convert the Lisa / Mac XL back to the original Lisa, please copy me with the info. Never having had even a Mac before, I hate to think that I ALMOST have a Lisa, but instead have just an old Mac. Bob Stek bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com

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What I picked up from the ebay auction

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

Well, not only did I win the Ebay auction for all the 70's electronics parts (he didn't even want my winning bid), I went over this weekend to fill up my car (a 1990 Ford T-bird). I am going back to get the rest next weekend but I was able to fill my then empty trunk with 74lsxxx parts, all brand new in tubes (the guy believes there is at lease one tube of every part in the series in there). My back seat is full of 3M ribbon cable (various wire counts) and tons of din and card edge connectors. I think I grabbed a box full of 68K and Z80 processors also. What I'm nabbing next week; A NEC Spinwriter with a bunch of spindles, a box full of 10MB Priam hard drives, a box full of Shugart 8" floppy drives, more din and card edge connectors and (if I can get Allison's help) a 19" 6-foot rack :) Once I can go thru and sort all this stuff, I'll probably be offering them online for people that need them. I'll probably just charge for shipping, maybe a meager fee to offset the cost of storage. Tony

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PDP rescue in UK, footwork needed

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Subject: Re: The glorious 12th..... From: Sparky <dl(a)r-m-c.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:43:28 +0100 Message-ID: <eJeG6UAwMT31EwnX(a)r-m-c.demon.co.uk> Organization: Timber Kitchen Utensils R Us Newsgroups: demon.local On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Sparky wibbled thusly: Hmm... FUTOP :( >>:We ripped our PDP out a couple of weeks ago, when we replaced our >>:Process Control Software. I can make enquiries if you wish? >> >>Wow! That'd be brilliant (If you could) > >I'll ask around next week. Coupla calls: One of our sites still uses PDP, and our old one is being kept incase of problems. However, that site is upgrading in a few weeks. The PDP will be available in about two months, free to a good home (at least, that's what they're saying ATM), so remind me nearer the time.

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Back from the wild east.

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

As usual, I am willing to decode any cyrillic for you. No, I haven't heard anything about this, but what does this thing look like? Commodoreish? >So, I'm back from my short (2wks) vacation in Estonia. >And I have a new Baby: A Juku. Thats an estonian >Z-80 Home computer from 1990 (ok, less than 10 Years, >but it fitts well here :). And in fact it is a SU computer, >since estonia was still part of the SSSR at this time. >Anything beside CPU and PIO ist still discrete TTL. The >caracterset is a 8 bit code with ASCII in the lower 128 >chars and cyrillic and special symbols in the upper 128. >CUTE! I also aquired a dual FD and a _mouse_. But I miss >the DOS. The previous owner tried to use all Disks in a >PC :(((( THere are also no Manuals. So, if anybody knows >any additional source of information, pleas give me a >hint. > >Gruss >H. > >-- >Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut >HRK > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Logical Disks and RT-11

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>OK, it's become obvious to me that I'm not going to figure out how to >create a logical disk under RT-11. If someone would be so kind as to >explain the steps involved, I would appreciate it. Let's say you want a 2000-block logical disk, which you'll call MYLOG.DSK, and you want it mounted as LD3: .create du1:mylog.dsk[2000] .mou ld3: du1:mylog.dsk .init ld3: LD3:/Initialize; Are you sure? Y .dir ld3: 19-Aug-1998 0 Files, 0 Blocks 1986 Free blocks ----- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

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TCP/IP for RT-11 (Part 2)

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Doh! Do you have any idea how stupid you just made me feel :^) Thanks, I >just copied the files to RX50. Since I couldn't get the emulator to read >the disk image I foolishly didn't consider that putr might be able to :^( Bob Supnik's emulator is a fine emulator, but it's not the same sort of all-purpose tool that PUTR is for dealing with certain file systems. >Ummm, two reasons. I'm not sure I've got the necessary hardware pieces in >the Box (would I be able to go through a printer port) You've got a console port, right? That's all you need! See ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/krt.doc for full installation instructions. > and secondly I > haven't a clue as far as Kermit is concerned. I think I've used it once or > twice to transfer data between a Honeywell Mainframe and a PC, but there > was a written reciept to follow for that. Too bad you suffered through so many years without realizing what a wonderful took Kermit is. It's available for just about every computer platform there is (or was), and can deal with communications channels that X/Y/ZMODEM will just stare blankly at (for example, one-way-at-a-time async channels common on IBM mainframes). Even better, it can be just as fast or faster than ZMODEM. I use it just about every day to move data between RT-11, RSX-11, CP/M, VMS, Unix, MS-DOS, OS/8, etc... ----- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

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Lisa Tools Deserialization

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

--- You wrote: I have this document available on my website http://www.asap.net/~rbedeaux/lisa Rob Bedeaux --- end of quote --- Whew! That's far better than the 2MB pdf I put together. -- MB

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TI Silent 700

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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TCP/IP for RT-11

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< In the case of this SMS-1000 and it's wierd disk controller I suspect th < it might be able to emulate the RX02 on a 5.25" disk, which was the reas < for the original statement. However, I've got a second SMS-1000 that wa < Identical to this one, prior to my changing some stuff, that is differen < only in that it has a 8" drive. Maybe but more likely it was an 8" drive so that RX02 media could actually be read. The use of ODD drives to simulate a different media was common enough but it was generally done to allow use of older software that was media dependent. Allison

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Lisa Tools Deserialization

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-08-23 14:33:15 EDT, you write: << Anyone who wants a copy by email, let me know. If you have a PC or are using UNIX (anything other than a Mac), tell me what kind of compression to use (I can create a pkzip archive, if needed). >> how about putting it somewhere like on a web page or something?

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Logical Disks and RT-11

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

OK, it's become obvious to me that I'm not going to figure out how to create a logical disk under RT-11. If someone would be so kind as to explain the steps involved, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Lisa info web site

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

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TCP/IP for RT-11

by mbg＠world.std.com

>>Umm... 8" is what pretty much defines RX02s... I don't know of an RX02 >>which was other than 8" > >You gotta get out of the development world and into the real world >a little more often, Megan :-). I do a lot of software development >for ADAC NMR (aka MRI) scanners that run a heavily modified RT-11 V4, >where the 5.25" 80-track floppies are basically treated as if they >were double-sided RX02's. (i.e. the geometry only uses 77 tracks, >and actually skips the first track, just like a real RX02!) That may be (about getting out of the development world...) but my statement stands. A true RX02 is pretty much defined as being an 8" floppy... you said so yourself in this response by saying that it was 'treated as if' it were an RX02... But the fact is that a 3.5" or 5.25" (or some size other than 8") device which is 'treated as if' it were an RX02 *IS NOT* an RX02. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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TCP/IP for RT-11 (Part 2)

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>OK, I've got the RX02 virtual disk images I want on my 486 (it's the one >with the 1.2Mb floppy, booted into DOS, and started up 'putr'. I made a >RX50 using putr, and go to copy the smltcp.dsk image to the RX50. >Unfortunatly it complains that there isn't enough room. I take it that a >RX50 is less than 500k? I think the image is 492k. An RX50 is 400Kbytes. >Is there some way that I can split the disk images and then recombine them >once I've got them copied over to the /73? You may as well just copy half the files on each RX02 image to one RX50, and the other half of the files to a second RX50. Rather than juggling floppies around all day, why not just Kermit the TCP/IP disk images into your -11? Tim.

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TOPS for PC, from sun

by poesie＠geocities.com

I also found several 5 1/4 disks that are "TOPS for the PC" from Sun Microsystems, circa 87. anyone have some info on this? -Eric

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Odd Q-Bus questions 18/22bit

by mbg＠world.std.com

>DECsystem-10 fiche? Which 10? >If you pitch that, I'll personally show up and disembowel you with a >blunt object. :) I felt the same way... I asked whether it was software fiche or hardware fiche... I am working on lining up a KS10 for myself and was interested in it... I have a set of fiche which contains the listings of TOPS-10, some version (I don't remember which), and utilities... I won't be getting rid of that anytime soon (if ever). But I'm interested in whatever hardware fiche I can get... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Xpost: PET 2001 FS and Micro Craft info needed

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

If you are interested in the PET or can help him on the Micro Craft email Terry direct as he isn't on this list that I know of. _________________________ Terry Yager <tyager(a)match.org> Flint, MI USA - Sunday, August 23, 1998 at 21:07:24 Commodore PET 2001 Series Professional Computer, Model #2001-8N. Computer only, no software/peripherals. Runs ROM Based BASIC. Looks great. Best offer over $100. _________________________ Terry Yager <tyager(a)match.org> Flint, MI USA - Sunday, August 23, 1998 at 19:30:51 Need software/documentation/any info in re: Micro Craft Dimension 68000 computer, manufactured c.1984 by Micro Craft Computer Co., Dallas, TX. Arcticles. reviews, etc. also appreciated. TNX. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Odd Q-Bus questions 18/22bit

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Huw, ---------- > From: Huw Davies <H.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Odd Q-Bus questions 18/22bit > Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 9:02 PM > Well a quick look through the engineering archives at work didn't lead to > anything describing Qbus in any more detail. What information about the q-bus do you need ? cheers, emanuel

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TCP/IP for RT-11

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Other than the media will not store the same amount without resorting >to RX33 (or similar) formatting. The RX02 is 512kb on 77 tracks and 26 >sectors of 256 bytes. That really doesn't work on 5.25 floppies. So >likely the format is a bit more munged. Anyhow calling something that's >media incompatable a "RX02" sorta makes for great confusion. Hell I >have a solidstate serial disk that emulates a TU58 that uses ram for >storage, it's a TU58 to the software (DD driver) and it's 256k per tape >but it's hardly media compatable. So if someone says RX02 it means 8" >SSDD floppy using DEC M^2FM encoding of the data fields and is able to >read and write RX01 media. Even a DSD880/120 obeyed that! Thanks, Allison... exactly my point... And in fact, early versions of DSDs didn't look exactly like RL01s, they were larger... requiring changes to the driver so that they would work. But these changes were NOT made to the distributed sources... the owner's manual for the DSDs described the changes to make. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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TCP/IP for RT-11

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< for ADAC NMR (aka MRI) scanners that run a heavily modified RT-11 V4, < where the 5.25" 80-track floppies are basically treated as if they < were double-sided RX02's. (i.e. the geometry only uses 77 tracks, < and actually skips the first track, just like a real RX02!) Other than the media will not store the same amount without resorting to RX33 (or similar) formatting. The RX02 is 512kb on 77 tracks and 26 sectors of 256 bytes. That really doesn't work on 5.25 floppies. So likely the format is a bit more munged. Anyhow calling something that's media incompatable a "RX02" sorta makes for great confusion. Hell I have a solidstate serial disk that emulates a TU58 that uses ram for storage, it's a TU58 to the software (DD driver) and it's 256k per tape but it's hardly media compatable. So if someone says RX02 it means 8" SSDD floppy using DEC M^2FM encoding of the data fields and is able to read and write RX01 media. Even a DSD880/120 obeyed that! Allison

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by mbg＠world.std.com

>It's definitely hardware only. See my other reply to Daniel as to why I >don't know exactly what's on it.... Is there any service which duplicates fiche? (and produces something readable?) I remember making fiche for listings of various things back when I worked on some DECsystem-10s at the PK1 (parker St, Maynard, MA) facility. The fiche was produced by some device which read magtapes with machine-readable listings, produced on the -10... At one point, I did what was required to produce a set of fiche with the RT-11 listings on it... this was RT V2C. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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TCP/IP for RT-11

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Umm... 8" is what pretty much defines RX02s... I don't know of an RX02 >which was other than 8" You gotta get out of the development world and into the real world a little more often, Megan :-). I do a lot of software development for ADAC NMR (aka MRI) scanners that run a heavily modified RT-11 V4, where the 5.25" 80-track floppies are basically treated as if they were double-sided RX02's. (i.e. the geometry only uses 77 tracks, and actually skips the first track, just like a real RX02!) ----- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

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TCP/IP for RT-11

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<OK, I've found the TCP/IP distributions on the Kent University web site < The thing is, they're on RX02 disk images of some sort. How on earth do < deal with these? They obviosly aren't compatible with Bob Supnik's < Emulator, at least I couldn't access them. post the URL I'll look. < < I'm wanting to use them on my SMS-1000. It is a PDP-11/73, 4Mb RAM, < Ethernet, and a funky drive controller which in the case of the 5.25" < floppy I believe is able to emulate either a RX50 (how it currently is s < or a RX02. I'm wondering if the RX02 mode requires the model with the 8 < drive, which I just happen to have in a shed out back (obviously not as < decked out, and with a dead hard drive, but still a /73). RX02 is an 8" media so it would stand to reson it would be an 8" drive to be compatable. Allison < < Zane < | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | < | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | < | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | < +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ < | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | < | and Zane's Computer Museum. | < | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | <

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TCP/IP for RT-11 (Part 2)

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

OK, I've got the RX02 virtual disk images I want on my 486 (it's the one with the 1.2Mb floppy, booted into DOS, and started up 'putr'. I made a RX50 using putr, and go to copy the smltcp.dsk image to the RX50. Unfortunatly it complains that there isn't enough room. I take it that a RX50 is less than 500k? I think the image is 492k. Is there some way that I can split the disk images and then recombine them once I've got them copied over to the /73? I'm just not feeling energetic enough to want to move a RL02 drive around and juggle the controller between my MicroVAX and /73 to get the files transferred tonite. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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TCP/IP for RT-11

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Logical disks, cool... What can I say, I'm learning :^) On the other >hand, it looks like this shows a definite problem with having manuals that >are a LOT older than the version of RT-11 I'm running. I can't even find >'mount' in the manuals :^( Which version are you running? LD: wasn't a standard distributed driver until V5. For pre-V5 systems, there are DECUS equivalent drivers. Tim.

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Odd Q-Bus questions 18/22bit

by mbg＠world.std.com

"Daniel A. Seagraves" <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> wrote: >[Megan's getting a KS...] I'm hoping to... nothing definite yet. But I'm also almost definitely getting an 8/E soon... >I know where I could get a KL, but I don't have room for it... (Or >power...) It's safe, don't worry about it :) Good... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Apple ///

by roblwill＠usaor.net

> Well, I know basically nothing about Apple ///'s, however, I do know that > the ///+'s are well marked as that. At least mine is. > My school had a bunch of Apple ///'s, and also a bunch of Apple ///+'s. The ///+'s are definitely marked as that. Unless the "+" got rubbed or scraped off of yours... -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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TCP/IP for RT-11

by mbg＠world.std.com

>>OK, I've found the TCP/IP distributions on the Kent University web site. >>The thing is, they're on RX02 disk images of some sort. How on earth do >>I deal with these? They obviosly aren't compatible with Bob Supnik's >>Emulator, at least I couldn't access them. > >You put the disk image on a RT-11 disk and mount it using the LD: >(logical disk) handler. Logical disks are RT-11's implementation of >subdirectories, and you can even have logical disks inside logical >disks. As an example: Thanks, Tim... I took him at his word that he had RX02 images...

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by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Well, first we have to get the thing to Rhode Island! A preliminary visit >to the beast shows us a load of SIX big racks, in a location that is >definitely truck unfriendly. Time for a mobile crane or at least a heavy-duty cherry-picker? :-) Tim.

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Lisa Tools Deserialization

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

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TCP/IP for RT-11

by mbg＠world.std.com

>OK, I've found the TCP/IP distributions on the Kent University web site. >The thing is, they're on RX02 disk images of some sort. How on earth do >I deal with these? They obviosly aren't compatible with Bob Supnik's >Emulator, at least I couldn't access them. There is an RX02 emulation in Bob's package (that I remember). The only thing I can think of which might affect whether they are readable is whether the disk images you have are sector-by-sector image copies, or block-by-block image copies. If they were copied using one technique, but read using the other, then you'll actually be mixing unrelated sectors together to form a block. I would have to check the source (or ask Bob) which technique is supposed to be used to make image RX01/02 copies so that they work. >I'm wanting to use them on my SMS-1000. It is a PDP-11/73, 4Mb RAM, >Ethernet, and a funky drive controller which in the case of the 5.25" >floppy I believe is able to emulate either a RX50 (how it currently is >set) or a RX02. I'm wondering if the RX02 mode requires the model with >the 8" drive, which I just happen to have in a shed out back (obviously >not as decked out, and with a dead hard drive, but still a /73). Umm... 8" is what pretty much defines RX02s... I don't know of an RX02 which was other than 8" (except for the advanced development RX's which communicated with the controller via FDDI back in 1983 or so which I got working using a modified DY handler). Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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TOPS for PC, from sun

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Well actually I have a SUN branded version of TOPS for the MAC and a Centram branded version for both the PC and the MAC. I guess it's going from hand to hands or maby on is a clone of the other.I haven't installed them yet but I'm planning on using them to hook my MACs to my PC network with a FlashCard on a dedicated PC.. Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 1:42 PM Subject: Re: TOPS for PC, from sun >If it is what I immediately thought it was, (Which it can't be, >DEC owned TOPS, not Sun...) *I WANT A COPY!* > >(TOPS-20 on a PC! The horror!) >------- >

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TCP/IP for RT-11

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>OK, I've found the TCP/IP distributions on the Kent University web site. >The thing is, they're on RX02 disk images of some sort. How on earth do I >deal with these? They obviosly aren't compatible with Bob Supnik's >Emulator, at least I couldn't access them. You put the disk image on a RT-11 disk and mount it using the LD: (logical disk) handler. Logical disks are RT-11's implementation of subdirectories, and you can even have logical disks inside logical disks. As an example: .dir du1:*.pkg 23-Aug-1998 TCPIP .PKG 22000 23-Aug-1998 1 Files, 22000 Blocks 23189 Free blocks .mou ld0: du1:tcpip.pkg .dir ld0: 23-Aug-1998 TSDSK1.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 TSDSK2.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 TSDSK3.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 RTDSK1.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 RTDSK2.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 RTDSK3.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 SRDSK1.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 SRDSK2.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 SRDSK3.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 SRDSK4.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 SMLTCP.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 SSDSK1.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 DVRDSK.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 CCDSK1.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 CCDSK2.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 CCXDSK.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 DOCDSK.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 RNODSK.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 TSHTML.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 RTHTML.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 SSHTML.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 TCPIPM.DSK 988P 01-Jun-1998 V02 .24 1 01-Jun-1998 DIR2P2.DOC 97 01-Jun-1998 24 Files, 21834 Blocks 98 Free blocks .mou ld1: ld0:docdsk.dsk .dir ld1: 23-Aug-1998 SS .DOC 162 01-Jun-1998 RT .DOC 335 01-Jun-1998 TSX .DOC 345 01-Jun-1998 SS .ABS 3 01-Jun-1998 RT .ABS 5 01-Jun-1998 TSX .ABS 5 01-Jun-1998 6 Files, 855 Blocks 119 Free blocks If you want to learn more about operations like this, I'd advise you to throughly look over the description of the MOUNT command in the System User's Guide. ----- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

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Lisa questions

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

--- "Seth J. Morabito" wrote: I currently have leads on three Lisa 2/5 systems (two working, one completely dead and scavanged for parts already). It's very very possible that both of the working models have already undergone the "Mac XLectomy". --- end of quote --- Wait a sec, I just re-read that. I think the modification can only be done to Lisa 2/10's (aka Mac XL's) -- so if they're 2/5's, then they must be actual Lisas...right? Can anyone verify this? -- MB

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Lisa questions

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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Lisa II/"whats the matter with my Lisa?"

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

--- <cdrmool(a)interlog.com> wrote: > > What's the matter with your Lisa? > > -- MB > I don't know apples, I usually work on P.C.'s, so I'm not sure. When I try to turn it on it chirps. I've experienced that with monitors before and the man who gave it to me (yes, you heard that right) said that it had been working but the monitor was not coming on anymore. He also added that he was able to get it up if he gently wiggled the circuit board at the back. After hauling it down from the bedroom into my "lab" today and asking it nicely to work, I wondered if it isn't the power supply instead/as well. Colan --- end of quote --- Re: wiggling the circuit board. Perhaps the card's contacts are dirty -- try rubbing alcohol with a lint-free cloth, you might get lucky. The chirping sure sounds like a power supply thing to me...though for what it's worth, that was a real common problem (easily fixed) with the old compact Macs (128, 512, Plus) that used the analog board power supply. There was a distinctive ring of solder points, visible from the non-component side of the board, where the flyback transformer was attached (the blocky part with the little suction-cup connector that sends high voltage to the built-in CRT). Over time the solder would crack from repeated heat expansion and contraction. The symptom was either no video, or a more-or-less chirping sound. Often the solution was as simple as resoldering those points -- maybe there's some similarity with the Lisa's internals? Dafax Processing has replacement power supplies for $250 (gouge! Sun Remarketing sells a entire Lisa for that, I think. But it's Mac-modified, bummer.) Maybe there's a discount if you trade in your old one, I don't know. Dafax's number is 718-746-8220, and Sun Remarketing's is 1-800-821-3221 (maybe they have parts for less?) Good luck! -- MB

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Lisa questions

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

--- "Seth J. Morabito" wrote: I currently have leads on three Lisa 2/5 systems (two working, one completely dead and scavanged for parts already). It's very very possible that both of the working models have already undergone the "Mac XLectomy". Is it possible to reverse the Macification of the Lisa? I want to run the original virgin Lisa software :) I believ3 that the dead Lisa still has the motherboard, and that it is an original Lisa 2/5 motherboard. Can I just make a swap, or is the XLectomy more insidious? --- end of quote --- The Macintosh Screen Modification involves changing out some ROMS (boot and video) and replacing the yoke coil, as well as performing voltage and video geometry adjustments afterward. It's technically reversible if you have the old parts -- where to get them, I don't know. You'd need the voltage and screen-size specs to get it just right (and avoid blowing the power supply). Sun Remarketing still sells the mod kit, so perhaps they have the parts that were removed to do modifications? -- MB

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TCP/IP for RT-11

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

OK, I've found the TCP/IP distributions on the Kent University web site. The thing is, they're on RX02 disk images of some sort. How on earth do I deal with these? They obviosly aren't compatible with Bob Supnik's Emulator, at least I couldn't access them. I'm wanting to use them on my SMS-1000. It is a PDP-11/73, 4Mb RAM, Ethernet, and a funky drive controller which in the case of the 5.25" floppy I believe is able to emulate either a RX50 (how it currently is set) or a RX02. I'm wondering if the RX02 mode requires the model with the 8" drive, which I just happen to have in a shed out back (obviously not as decked out, and with a dead hard drive, but still a /73). Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Lisa II operating software

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

--- Tony Duell wrote: [Re: copying Lisa disks w/o a working Lisa] I think the only way is to find some other Lisa 'up and running'. --- end of quote --- There is another way, I think, using Mac utilities. Mr. Craig sent me several Mac-formatted floppies containing CompactPro archives of disk images of the LOS disks. (Whew! Did you follow that?) He also sent along the older version of Apple's Disk Copy (4.2, I think) which will happily make disks from images it cannot mount. (It also knows to make an 800k floppy be 400k if that's what the original image calls for.) Obviously, somewhere along the line, he was able to make the images from the original Lisa diskettes, but I don't know the details of this -- Disk Copy must be able to make images from weird disks (I know it can do ProDos ones.) Incidentally, there is a way to de-serialize LOS diskettes using FEdit -- I don't know where your set of disks came from, or whether they've been used. (The LOS install disks have to be un-write-protected because the first time you install the software, the installer reads the Lisa's unique hardware serial number and writes it to the disk for piracy prevention. If you ever try to install the software on another machine, it won't let you.) What's the matter with your Lisa? -- MB

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I'm Back!

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-08-22 15:57:55 EDT, you write: << Wow! It's amazing how different a CRT looks after three weeks' break. I don't even feel like sitting at a computer that much anymore. Sorry to start off again on a bad foot, but does anyone know why a certain hard drive of mine won't spin up unless whacked firmly against a table? Is there anything I can do? This is a laptop drive. >> stiction. nothing you can do about it.

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Lisa II operating software

by bobstek＠ix7.ix.netcom.com

Let me make an offer (without knowing exactly what I'm getting into...) I haven't been following this thread too closely because I've never had a Lisa or even a Mac...until yesterday. I now am the proud (but ignorant) owner of a fully working 1 MB Lisa 2 (the Mac XL variety) with the 10 meg HD and 3.5" disk. If given explicit instructions on how to de-serialize, I'd be happy to make copies of whatever disks you would like. And since I've been short of time (and I'm lazy!) I'd appreciate a few choice URL's with solid info of all sorts on the Lisa - less on its history and more on hardware and software, operational hints, etc. Bob Stek bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com

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Mac Portable problems (was Re: Mac Portable batt charger)

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:39:13 -0700 (PDT), Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote: >>I am confused by this! The MacPortable FAQ says that the drive is a >>40meg SCSI with a (typically Apple) proprietary interface of 34-pins. >>But the Pocket PCRef list the CP3045 as an AT/IDE drive. Is that a typo >>in the PCRef? Could be a typo in the PCRef. The drive is labeled CP-3045 (with no suffix character, i.e., A for ATAPI or S for SCSI). It is Apple-labeled and has an Adaptec-based SCSI controller. Could have Apple taken a stock CP hard drive and grafted a different controller card onto it? The interface from the drive hardware to the drive electronics seems to be standard (i.e., an 18-pin pin-header interface), so maybe Apple swapped controllers. It does have a proprietary SCSI pin-out, though, for which an adapter is available to connect a sdandard SCSI drive to the portable. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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Apple ///

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>My school had a bunch of Apple ///'s, and also a bunch of Apple ///+'s. >The ///+'s are definitely marked as that. Unless the "+" got rubbed or >scraped off of yours... Nope. That's definately not the case. I guess they're both slight variants of ///'s. Thanks for the info, everybody. Tom -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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