- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Bad choice of words on my part. I meant it wasn't in electronic >form. As you point out, it's tempting to toss the docs because >of their bulk, and has others have shown on this list, the docs >are the first thing to have disappeared when they come to >rescue a system. There are some efforts I've heard of which involve scanning in the old documentation... that will be terrabytes of .GIFs, I would imagine... Let's hope that those of us who have any documentation keep it forever, or will forward it (if someone decides to exit the arena of classic computing) to one of those who are still maintaining sets... >Someone mentioned the old DEC fiches, and Megan (gee, only the Gee... I'm honored... (someone else used to refer to me as *The* Megan... :-) >most famous are known by their first names) said something >about the way they were produced with specially formatted text >that printed direct to fiche film. Has DEC liberated these >docs in pure electronic text form, or even RUNOFF form, or >whatever system they used to typeset the original docs? Unfortunately, those tapes were, to my knowledge, temporary for the time it took to make the fiche. If they were saved, they went to fire storage... and I have to say that once something >from DEC went to fire storage, I've never seen anyone who could get it back... I know, I've tried a few times over the years for some things... (So what is the use of fire storage, if all it is is a black hole?) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Teeny Tiny Jumpers (reprise)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/27/98 2:25:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, manney(a)lrbcg.com writes: > Grant sent me some, but they weren't teeny tiny enough. These are 3/32" > across, but the pins are only about 1/16" tall. Anyone have any? > Thanks > manney(a)lrbcg.com hmm, my local overpriced computer store has em for sale... i doubt they are that hard to find.

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Twin cities get together

by fauradon＠pclink.com

>On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Francois wrote: > >> I believe it is relevant to the list for people who might be in the area at >> the time. > >But if you have your own local mailing list, then you can talk about us >behind our backs. We talk about you guys all the time :-) You can setup That's the main reason I wanted to meet my fellow collectors of the MidWest so we can talk about you guys >your own list using a service like www.listbot.com, for example, or roll >your own if you've got your own net.boxen (like all of us SV nerds). We have a few of those too but we save them for serious stuff: Real time snow flake counter available in streaming video, mosquito forecast for every lake in Minnesota. You see with all those interesting things goin on that leaves only one place to post for our get-together, West Coast collector bashing reunions. Would it be more proper to post something in the following form? ------------------------------------ | | | | | o o | | | | | U | | | | | | MIDWEST VCD Beta 0.1 | | | | Friday August 28 1998 | | | | Chilli's on county road 42 | | | | 6:00 pm | | | | | | Any one who cares can come | | | ------------------------------------ I could add a list of guest speakers and a schedule of events. > >-- Doug Yes I agree that the discussion about the details is probably noise for most of you but it's the best way to reach all that would be interested. The subject line is clear enough to decide wether you want to read the post or not and at about 100 bytes a post it does not constitute a "waste of bandwith". Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

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OT RE: BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! ;]

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<about 3" centre height, 18" between centres). Including milling. If you < have a vertical slide on the saddle (and, better still also a vertical < milling attachment), there's little you can't do that you could do on a < milling machine. Sure you'll have to work slowly and take light cuts, bu < you can do it. One popular lathe/mill was the unimat. used to cost back around '68 about $400USD. Thanks to brothers and father, the basement at home was a full machine shop with a southbend 6"x28" lathe, drill press, welding and forge. Milling of small parts was done clamping it to the crossstock or headpeice. < Metal casting is also possible at home. You can make the pattern on the < lathe, make a mould using foundry sand and melt the metal either in a < coke furnace, or preferably an electricly heated one. Not trivial to do, < but not beyond what some people will try. In fact I must have a go one d My favorite source for metal was Volkswagon engine heads as the aluminum alloy was very machineable and melted well using a propane/air forge in the back yard. Parts were sandcast. Dad showed me how to make masters and work the sand. Also used to do lost plug plaster casting for finer parts (plaster formed around a wax form that is melted out). Also did copper and bronze. Steel was welded, cut and formed using gas and arc equipment. It's all pretty easy once you know how. Wish I had access to that now. Allison

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OT RE: BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! ;]

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Is this any easier with plastic parts? Is there any easy way to make molds? I don't want to do it, just curious (modern appliances usually depend on a single .5 cm plastic cog which of course tends to break or wear out after a few months' use) >FOr the record, I have absolutely no interest in firearms... > >> Why not? It can certainly be bought, both new and at auctions. >> I knew a gunsmith who had a mill and a lathe, and that's the main >> two pieces of heavy machinery you need to make pretty much anything. >> (Besides the little stuff like welding equipment, saws, etc.) > >Actually, you can do a suprising amount with a small lathe (small meaning >about 3" centre height, 18" between centres). Including milling. If you >have a vertical slide on the saddle (and, better still also a vertical >milling attachment), there's little you can't do that you could do on a >milling machine. Sure you'll have to work slowly and take light cuts, but >you can do it. > >To go back on topic, a small lathe will make a lot of bits for computer >peripherals. Rollers, spindles, pulleys, gears, etc can all be made >pretty easily. In fact for something like a simple nylon roller for a >printer, it's actually quicker to turn the part than to try to get a part >number from the manufacturer! > >The cost of a good small non-CNC (so ideal for one-offs, but not for >production) lathe would be about \pounds 3000, I guess. Not impossible to >have at home. In fact almost all model engineers (the sort of madmen who >make steam engines) have such a machine. > >Metal casting is also possible at home. You can make the pattern on the >lathe, make a mould using foundry sand and melt the metal either in a >coke furnace, or preferably an electricly heated one. Not trivial to do, >but not beyond what some people will try. In fact I must have a go one day. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Bob Supnik's PDP-11 Emulator

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Someone mentioned the old DEC fiches, and Megan (gee, only the >most famous are known by their first names) said something >about the way they were produced with specially formatted text >that printed direct to fiche film. Has DEC liberated these >docs in pure electronic text form, or even RUNOFF form, or >whatever system they used to typeset the original docs? If you could be more clear about *exactly* which documents you're interested in, I could fill you in precisely about their fiche and/or paper and/or electronic status. Again, we're talking about millions of pages generated in a period of time over a quarter of a century long, so there's not only a lot of documents, there are also a lot of document formats! ----- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

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Bob Supnik's PDP-11 Emulator

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I've sometimes wished there were more FAQs and tutorials for >emulators like this. For that matter, for the preservation of >any old machine... so much knowledge isn't written down, much >less on the web. AFAIK, just about everything about the -11 and the DEC software that users might run on it is written down. I moved several thousand pounds of such documentation in my last big move, and that was even after pruning it down to only the most essential stuff! Tim.

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What the hell is a NightHawk 5800?

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

Tony: E-mail me in private, and I'll fill you in . . . Jeff At 11:07 AM 8/27/98 -0500, you wrote: >I live for serious restoration projects and want a N* Horizon badly. > >Tony >-- > >On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:59:29 Jeff Kaneko wrote: >>Guys: >> >>How many of you out there have a North Star Horizon? >>I have one in seriously distressed condition, but >>it may be useful for parts, or possibly for someone >>who wants to embark on a *serious* restoration >>project. >> >>Jeff >> >> >> > > >-----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums >

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Northstar, Anyone?

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

Guys: How many of you out there have a North Star Horizon? I have one in seriously distressed condition, but it may be useful for parts, or possibly for someone who wants to embark on a *serious* restoration project. Jeff P.S.: I'm sorry I botched the SUBJECT: for my previous message

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Nerd Rats

by rax＠warbaby.com

Thought y'all might be amused by this tidbit from another list: "This reminds me of something I heard about earier this month. It seems some researchers decided to create a breed of super-intelligent lab rats by the simple process of artificial selection: in each generation, only the rats who were the fastest at solving mazes would be bred. Result: After seven generations, the researchers had created a colony of rats who were clumsy, near-sighted, antisocial, and totally inept in their dealings with the opposite sex." -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies.

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Nerd Rats

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Curious. I am wondering what would happen if such a thing were actually done. It would probably make a bunch of rats with identical times,at which point the experiment would be over. It would be interesting what the gender spread would be in such a case. > >Thought y'all might be amused by this tidbit from another list: > > >"This reminds me of something I heard about earier this month. It seems >some researchers decided to create a breed of super-intelligent lab rats >by the simple process of artificial selection: in each generation, only >the rats who were the fastest at solving mazes would be bred. > >Result: After seven generations, the researchers had created a colony of >rats who were clumsy, near-sighted, antisocial, and totally inept in their >dealings with the opposite sex." > >-- > > > >Warbaby >The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. >http://www.warbaby.com > >The MonkeyPool >WebSite Content Development >http://www.monkeypool.com > > > Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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subscribe

by mmcmanus＠direct.ca

subscibe mike mcmanus

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C128 Stuff

by workapulo＠my-dejanews.com

Well, score one for Classifieds 2000. I just got a C128 system with 1571, printer, and software (including all the *ORIGINAL* disks that came with the 1571) for $35. If anyone needs copies of 1571 stuff (including a C128 CP/M boot disk) lemme know, I have two 1571s now and can make disk copies rather easy. Tony -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums

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Mentec License for Emulators

by jhfine＠idirect.com

>Zane H. Healy wrote: > This might answer a few of the questions, I just dug this up out of the > Supnick emulator distribution: > > LICENSE AGREEMENT > > This Agreement, dated ________________, is entered into by Mentec Inc., a > Massachusetts Company, located at 55 Technology Drive, Lowell, MA 01851, > U.S.A. (MENTEC), and _____________________________________________ having a > residence at __________________________________________________________ > (CUSTOMER). > > Whereas, MENTEC owns the rights to the following PDP-11 Operating Systems > and associated layered products (RT-11 V5.3 or prior, RSTS/E V9.6 or prior, > RSX-11M V4.3 or prior, RSX-11M PLUS V3.0 or prior) (SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY) > and is prepared to grant a non-exclusive license to use such > SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY for personal, non-commercial purposes; > > Whereas, CUSTOMER desires to enter into a License Agreement which will > allow CUSTOMER to use such software technology at his or her residence for > personal, non-commercial purposes; > > MENTEC and CUSTOMER agree as follows: > > 1 DEFINITIONS > > SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY shall mean the binary versions of the PDP-11 Operating > Systems (RT-11 V5.3 or prior, RSTS/E V9.6 or prior, RSX-11M V4.3 or prior, > RSX-11M PLUS V3.0 or prior), and associated utilities and layered products > that run on PDP-11 computers. > > MENTEC?S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS shall mean MENTEC?s patent, copyright > and trade secret rights in its SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY. > > EMULATOR shall mean software owned by Digital Equipment Corporation that > emulates the operation of a PDP-11 processor and allows PDP-11 programs and > operating systems to run on non-PDP-11 systems. > > 2 LICENSE GRANT > > MENTEC grants to CUSTOMER a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license > under MENTEC's INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS to use and copy the SOFTWARE > TECHNOLOGY solely for personal, non-commercial uses in conjunction with the > EMULATOR. > > 3 TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER AND ACCEPTANCE > > 3.1 CUSTOMER is responsible for obtaining copies of SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY and > accepts the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY "AS IS". > > 3.2 MENTEC is under no obligation to supply SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY, > documentation, error corrections or updates to the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY if > or when they become available, or to provide training, support or > consulting for the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY. > > 4 WARRANTY DISCLAIMER/LIMITATION OF LIABILITY > > MENTEC DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO ANY SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY > LICENSED TO CUSTOMER HEREUNDER, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF > MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. IN NO EVENT SHALL MENTEC BE LIABLE FOR ANY > SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER > RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE OR DATA, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, > NEGLIGENCE, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY INFRINGEMENT OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, > ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF ANY SOFTWARE > TECHNOLOGY LICENSED HEREUNDER. > > 5 INDEMNITY > > CUSTOMER will hold MENTEC harmless against all liabilities, demands, > damages, expenses, or losses arising out of use by CUSTOMER of SOFTWARE > TECHNOLOGY or information furnished under this Agreement. > > 6 TERM AND TERMINATION > > 6.1 This Agreement shall be effective until otherwise terminated. Either > party may terminate this Agreement at any time upon 30 days written notice. > > 6.2 If CUSTOMER shall fail to perform or observe any of the terms and > conditions to be performed or observed by it under this Agreement, MENTEC > may in its sole discretion thereafter elect to terminate this Agreement, > and this Agreement and all the obligations owed and rights granted herein > to CUSTOMER shall immediately terminate. > > 6.3 The parties agree that the termination of this Agreement shall not > release either party from any other liability which shall have accrued to > the other party at the time such termination becomes effective, nor affect > in any manner the survival of any right, duty or obligation of either party. > > 6.4 In the event of any termination of this Agreement for any reason, > CUSTOMER shall delete all original and all whole or partial copies and > derivatives of the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY from his or her computer system. > CUSTOMER further shall cease to use and distribute the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY > in all forms immediately upon the date of termination. > > 7 GENERAL TERMS > > 7.1 This Agreement shall be governed by the laws of the Commonwealth of > Massachusetts. > > 7.2 This Agreement imposes personal obligations on CUSTOMER. CUSTOMER shall > not assign any rights under this Agreement not specifically transferable by > its terms without the written consent of MENTEC. > > 7.3 The SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY obtained under this Agreement may be subject to > US and other government export control regulations. CUSTOMER assures that > it will comply with these regulations whenever it exports or re-exports a > controlled product or technical data obtained from MENTEC or any product > produced directly from the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY. > > 7.4 The waiver of a breach hereunder may be effected only by a writing > signed by the waiving party and shall not constitute a waiver of any other > breach. > > 7.5 CUSTOMER acknowledges that he has read this Agreement, understands it > and agrees to be bound by its terms and further agrees that it is the > complete and exclusive statement of the Agreement between the parties which > supersedes all communications and understanding between the parties > relating to the subject matter of this Agreement. > > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | > | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | > | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | I think there may be interest here as well. I messed up the address the first attempt. Megan says she has a V5.3 of RT-11 to be made available. And I think someone else just mentioned that they had acquired a set of RX50 for V5.3 of RT-11. Happy computing. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine RT-11/TSX-PLUS User/Addict

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Northstar, Anyone?

by workapulo＠my-dejanews.com

Hehehe... I'll re-reply then :) I'm in to serious restoration projects and would love a N* Horizon. Tony -- On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:07:41 Jeff Kaneko wrote: > >Guys: > >How many of you out there have a North Star Horizon? >I have one in seriously distressed condition, but >it may be useful for parts, or possibly for someone >who wants to embark on a *serious* restoration >project. > >Jeff > >P.S.: I'm sorry I botched the SUBJECT: for my previous message > > > -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums

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Teeny Tiny Jumpers (reprise)

by manney＠lrbcg.com

Grant sent me some, but they weren't teeny tiny enough. These are 3/32" across, but the pins are only about 1/16" tall. Anyone have any? Thanks manney(a)lrbcg.com "2+2=5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

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What the hell is a NightHawk 5800?

by workapulo＠my-dejanews.com

I live for serious restoration projects and want a N* Horizon badly. Tony -- On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:59:29 Jeff Kaneko wrote: >Guys: > >How many of you out there have a North Star Horizon? >I have one in seriously distressed condition, but >it may be useful for parts, or possibly for someone >who wants to embark on a *serious* restoration >project. > >Jeff > > > -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums

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WTB: Hard Drives

by manney＠lrbcg.com

I need IDE hard drives, 200 or 300 MB on up. Please e-mail privately. manney(a)lrbcg.com

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RA81

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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xyzzy?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

And what might this command do? > > >Bill wrote: > >>Data General OS's... >> >>(I was told it was on machines from the Nova through the Eclipse). >>I'm not sure but I think the MV8000 had it as well. >> >>Bill > >Yes, there was a system file on the MV8000 called XYZZY but entering XYZZY >at a terminal did nothing (as I recall.. it's been a long time) > >Of course, XYZZY did wonderful things in the original Adventure game which >used to keep me busy during boring sessions working at the computer >center! (That and Hack on the old PCs) > >- Ron Kneusel > rkneusel(a)mcw.edu > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Bob Supnik's emulator

by gentry＠zk3.dec.com

>I've been playing with the PDP-11 emulator some the last couple of days >under Linux (it's a lot quieter than the real thing), and am wondering >about having a second console. I see in the configuration that it has two >consoles, but I can't figure out how to access the second console. Any >ideas? Is it possible to hang a VT off the serial port and have the >emulator talk to that? Where do you get the idea that it has two consoles? In the file pdp11_stddev.c, there are definitions for the console input service (tti) and the console output service (tto). Those services, combined, are one terminal. I don't see anything about another terminal. (I'm looking in sources for v3.2c of the emulator) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Bob Supnik's emulator

by mbg＠world.std.com

"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> Wrote: >>Where do you get the idea that it has two consoles? In the file >>pdp11_stddev.c, there are definitions for the console input service >>(tti) and the console output service (tto). Those services, combined, >>are one terminal. I don't see anything about another terminal. >> >>(I'm looking in sources for v3.2c of the emulator) > >Ah, heh, I sort of mistook those for two consoles. Opps. (Now why >didn't I realize that, sheesh) Of course, it wouldn't take much to create a file, pdp11_tt.c, which essentially duplicated the code in pdp11_stddev.c, at least with regards to the terminal input and output service, and allow that device to be attached to a /dev/ttynn device on your system... Heck, it's a computer... all you need is the code... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Mac floppy drive question

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

--- John Ruschmeyer wrote: > Mac 512k? Since the ROM only recognizes the smaller-size drive, will it just > ignore the top R/W head and work fine otherwise? Actually, IIRC, it will recognize the drive as double sided, *but* you will still be limited to the old MFS format, rather than the newer HFS. <<John>> --- end of quote --- I thought the old format went hand-in-hand with one-sided disks. So I could use 800k floppies in MFS format? If so, then what was the point of the 512ke? -- MB

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xyzzy?

by rkneusel＠post.its.mcw.edu

Bill wrote: >Data General OS's... > >(I was told it was on machines from the Nova through the Eclipse). >I'm not sure but I think the MV8000 had it as well. > >Bill Yes, there was a system file on the MV8000 called XYZZY but entering XYZZY at a terminal did nothing (as I recall.. it's been a long time) Of course, XYZZY did wonderful things in the original Adventure game which used to keep me busy during boring sessions working at the computer center! (That and Hack on the old PCs) - Ron Kneusel rkneusel(a)mcw.edu

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Dos 2.1 and 2.11

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I thought you just had to run something in the I386 directory in NT or something to make it use dual CPUs. i think the program is irrelevant; i've never heard of dual cpu winNT programs before. In a message dated 8/26/98 7:50:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, maxeskin(a)hotmail.com writes: > But modern SMP NT boxen can only multiprocess if the task is > especially adjusted for it. Apparently, NT itself will not take > advantage of the second processor, unless the app (e.g. Photoshop) > has the featuer. Is this always the case, or different in other > systems? '

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Bob Supnik's PDP-11 Emulator

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

I've been playing with the PDP-11 emulator some the last couple of days under Linux (it's a lot quieter than the real thing), and am wondering about having a second console. I see in the configuration that it has two consoles, but I can't figure out how to access the second console. Any ideas? Is it possible to hang a VT off the serial port and have the emulator talk to that? Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Altair - A different perspective

by franke＠sbs.de

>>I'd love to see a manual for the chipset and microcode information. > I think the burning question would be: How does one debug somehting > like this? Like any other new processor. In fact, the microcode instructions are nothing else than the 'real' instrructions of the CPU. And the microcode of a CPU is nothing more than a basic, build in interpreter for the 'official' instruction set. So the development is (almost) the same as for any Interpreter you want to write fo a naked system. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Laser 3000

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

--- Doug Spence wrote: Do you have a floppy drive for yours? Or are you stuck using cassette like me? ----- Neither, you lucky dog! I have these cartridge adapter thingies that supposedly allow one or two Disk ][ drives to be used with it, but I don't think I ever managed to get it to read a disk (this is likely due to my ignorance, though none of this stuff was known-good when I got it). I may have a spare disk adapter -- you interested? There's also another cartridge-like adapter for a printer, and one more with another version of BASIC. I can check in my parts bin for spares if you want. ----- I hope you cannibalized one L3K to fix the other, and not to fix something more mundane. --- end of quote --- Yes, it donated some of its vital organs to save the life of the other one. ;) -- MB

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Twin cities get together

by fauradon＠pclink.com

I believe it is relevant to the list for people who might be in the area at the time. If I'm trveling to the bay area and see that there is a get-together going on at the same time I would make sure to attend. This invitation is not reserved to people living in the Twin-Cities but to all and that includes travellers. I used to do quite a bit of travel for work and had nothing to do with my evenings. Sure the chances are slim but still it is worth the added messages. It sure beats IMHO discussiond about guns or other means of destruction. Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon >A suggestion: a group of us in the Bay Area have created a list-serve to >discuss events and interest specific to our local area (anyone in the Bay >Area is invited to join). Perhaps one of you could create a mailing list >that would serve you folks in the mid-west so that you can keep local >discussions of off the main list.

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Looking for parts...

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Picked up a new stack of systems, one of which is an Ithica Intersystem DPS-1. If you have ever seen one, it looks suspiciously like a PDP-11 console. Or at least it would if this one had its dress panel... On the longshot front then, does anyone have a spare (extra, random, looking for a home) front bezel for one of these units? Or even a (more or less) complete chassis looking for a new home? It is also missing a couple of switch levers. The nice bright orange ones. This unit even has a bit of a history. Before it came to me it had been a development system at Digital Research (yes, THAT one) In fact it came along with a great deal of materials most of which have been forwarded along to Tim Olmstead for addition to the CP/M Source Archives. Apparently, they did not have much use for the dress panel on the machine (hardware tinkering and such) and it had been lost for some time before the machine came to me. (darn) So... any help appreciated as always! -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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OT RE: BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! ;]

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Is this any easier with plastic parts? Is there any easy way to make < molds? I don't want to do it, just curious (modern appliances < usually depend on a single .5 cm plastic cog which of course tends < to break or wear out after a few months' use) generally plastic is easier to work than metal. depending on the part you can machine it out of a block of similar material. Used to make a lot of parts out of DERLIN, teflon and Nylon Allisn

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OT RE: BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! ;]

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Curious. Same goes for people who aren't in a large company and < invent various other things. How did he 'invent' a gun without < owning the necessary tools (at least I doubt a magazine writer would < own this stuff) to process metal? Also, how did Woz make a case for < the Apple ][, etc? Are there companies that take single orders < like this? Well first off there are companies that if you supply the drawing and pay dearly they will make the requested item. I'd suspect the Gunsmith would possess the tools needed. It doesn't take a larg machine shop to do many of the processes needed to make a firearm same applies for computer. A case can be made of easily machined plastics or even wood and painted for protos. I made a system box years ago out of wood to simulated the look and feel of a quality epoxy glass resin, no majik other than knowing how. Allison

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OT RE: BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! ;]

by peacock＠simconv.com

> Oboyoboy! Do these folks have any Barrett Light Fifties? I always wanted to try out a rifle that could remove a shooter's shoes for him! kaBLAMMMMM! ;] Nope, out of luck, all they have are pistol and submachine guns, after all, it's an indoor range, a .50 BMG would go right thru the wall and the building next door too. Indoor ranges don't have the backstop for any rifle rounds, so no AKs, FALs, Galils, any of the good stuff either. BTW a friend of mine makes a printed circuit type card for a computerized chronograph used to measure 20mm rounds for an ammo manufacturer. They actually fire the round thru the card, and use the break in the circuit to control the chronograph. Because of the size and amount of gas generated by a 20mm round, a regular chronograph using sky light doesn't work, not accurate enough. The card is actually silk screened conductive ink on cardboard. Yeah, I'd like to have a Barrett too, but $5K is a bit too steep for me, unless someone would like to trade for a nice IMSAI with front panel? Then there's the cost of dies and a reloader for .50BMG rounds... Jack Peacock

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Mac floppy drive question

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

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Shame, shame, shame

by peacock＠simconv.com

From: Sam Ismail [mailto:dastar@ncal.verio.com] >Sad. That was probably perpetrated by those Israeli guys in Las Vegas who rent out machine guns for an hour or whatnot so you can blast away at stuff. I'm not kidding, this place exists. Northwest of the strip I think. There are at least two places west of the strip, Shooter Supply (the nicest one) and The Survival Store, that rent out or sponsor machine gun events. Both are close to my office. I think there are a couple more on the east side of town. These ranges are very popular with Japanese tourists. Typically they rent out Uzis, Thompsons, MACs, and the usual generic batch of 9mms. Jack Peacock

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Classic Mags (was: Shame, shame, shame)

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I once say a kit in some magazine that would let you turn a Mac into a fishbowl. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: RE: Classic Mags (was: Shame, shame, shame) > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 9:58 PM > > Speaking of which, anyone else remember the series of ads from (iirc) > SmartTerm that said "Now that you have SmartTerm, what are you going to do > with your terminal?" and featured pictures of converted terminals being > used as a Fishbowl, a Mailbox, and a Dollhouse. There might have been > others, too. I always wanted to do the mailbox bit. Anyone still have > copies of these (or better still, scanned versions?) Maybe I'll see if > SmartTerm is still in business... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ >

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Driver Needed

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I'm looking for a driver for a "Micro Mainframe Expanded Memory Expansion Board" (yes, that's the actual name of it). The model number of it is EMS-5150-T. The name of the driver is <EMS32.BIN>. It's for a Tandy 1000TL XT-class 286/12MHz. One other question: The processor clocks in @ 12 MHz. The 1000TL is supposed to be 8 MHz. Was there ever an upgrade offered for this computer to make it 12MHz? The chip is manufactured by AMD, and it's a 286-12 (it may be a S or SX, I'm not sure). This is also the computer that I'm trying to find an XTA drive for. Make or model doesn't matter, as long as the heads aren't run by a stepper motor. ThAnX in advance, -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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Twin cities get together

by fauradon＠pclink.com

But I am south, I live in Burnsville. How about Chilli's on county rd 42 across from the mall. Same time, Same day. (I just like tequilaberries) Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Poesie De La Fenetre <darkside(a)digicron.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 11:59 PM Subject: Re: Twin cities get together >Ditto for me... I'm in eagan, and that's quite a haul. maybe you should >come south :P > >-Eric > > > >John R. Keys Jr. wrote: >> >> If it's just two of us showing up let's put it on hold since it's a nice >> drive for me from Burnsville. Maybe you and I can get together and go on a >> shopping spree one weekend. I plan on going to a big flea market this >> Sunday if you want to go also let me know as it's up north. John >> At 07:26 PM 8/25/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >Just a quick reninder: >> >Friday August 28, tequilaberries, 6:00pm >> >Please let me know if you are planning to attend, I'll be there early to >> >reserve a table. >> >Francois >> >------------------------------------------------------------- >> >Visit the desperately in need of update >> >Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon >> > >> > >> > >> > >

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a2 power supplies

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

His name is steve buggie, and i've included part of an email he sent to me concering my $5 apple gs with a bad ps. he's pretty knowledeable, and has been very helpful to me with sending me diagnostice disks and other disk goodies for my apples. he also redoes disk ][ drives with variable speed control and a manually selected write protect switch. david >>If you're thinking of one of these you might ALSO want to think about something >>called Bugg power - a guy on the a2 newsgroup (comp.sys.apple2) who takes >>pc XT power supplies and adapts them to plug into apples. BUGG-POWER IIGS external power supply (converted from IBM) $27 for 150 watts, or $30 for 200 watts; add $5.00 shipping. It rests on the floor, with 5 ft cable to connect to the IIgs motherboard via the rear panel of the IIgs. I've made 192 units in 2 1/2 years! Steve Buggie **=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=** ** Stephen Buggie, Psychology, Univ. of New Mexico, Gallup NM 87301 ** ** buggie(a)unm.edu voice: (505) 863-7504 or 863-2390 ** ** GALLUP NM: Home of Teddy Roosevelt's 1898 "Rough Riders" Cavalry ** **=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=**

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Tips needed to repair Apple color composite monitor

by roblwill＠usaor.net

> That _does_ sound like a decoder. Maybe you could look at Toshiba TV > schematics (I have almost _no_ NTSC stuff here) and see if you can figure > out what the chip does... > Well, if it was made by Toshiba.... That's probably what's wrong with it... GooD LucK, -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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Altair - A different perspective

by peacock＠simconv.com

> >I'd love to see a manual for the chipset and microcode information. > > I think the burning question would be: How does one debug somehting > like this? For a commercial company, microcode is tested and debugged on software simulators before the hardware is even completed. Once the architecture is defined, software is developed in parallel with the hardware to simulate the components. Microcode is tested on the simulator, much easier than using a scope and analyzer. Course, the component descriptions given to the simulator programmers (these are usually programmers with a good EE background who understand boards at the chip level) had better be accurate. And in parallel to that, an emulator is also done for the target instruction set. This allows systems programmers to develop the initial assembler, compiler and operating system for the new CPU. That's how a completely new CPU design, with no backward compatibility, can appear all at once. By the time the hardware prototype is ready, there is a complete set of diagnostics and an OS to boot up. In theory that is ... Tracey Kidder's book, The Soul Of a New Machine, detailed some of that process when Data General switched from the 16-bit Nova to the 32-bit Eclipse. Jack Peacock

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Dos 2.1 and 2.11

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

But modern SMP NT boxen can only multiprocess if the task is especially adjusted for it. Apparently, NT itself will not take advantage of the second processor, unless the app (e.g. Photoshop) has the featuer. Is this always the case, or different in other systems? > > >< Dual processors? Another I've never heard of. My 8086 databook says >< that up to four can be wired together, but I've never heard of anyone >< doing it. Did this particular one work well? > >You could do more than four, it took a little more work as the simple >parts to do it were roll your own and it was pretty impressive. > > >later on NCR would have a box with 4 486/50s and it could wail. > > >Allison > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Hard drive adapters

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Now that I think of it, you're right. I just need the case from the apple drive to house an old 5.25" full height HD. I needed the TRS-80 drives/boxes for an old TRS-80 model III. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Hard drive adapters > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 1:57 PM > > > Apple and trs80 drives are not interchangeable though the case/PS would > > be. I think I still have one with a drive. > > DId Apple drives ever contain a PSU? All the ones I have seen (Apple ][ > single and duodisk, Mac drives) take their power from the main system PSU. > > > > > Allison > > > > > > -tony >

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a2 power supplies

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Hi gang. FYI Jameco has power supplies for apple2,2+,2e, and 2GS. 49.95 each, 60 watt units, original equipment style. If you're thinking of one of these you might ALSO want to think about something called Bugg power - a guy on the a2 newsgroup (comp.sys.apple2) who takes pc XT power supplies and adapts them to plug into apples. Since the average XT PS is 145 watts, the apple no longer has power problems (and you barely have to run the PS's fan) and it gets the power supply and all that heat out of the case altogether. (it sits on the floor ala C=64 power brick). I've never used one of these things, but the reviews from people who have are glowing. As for heat, I noticed in my GS last night it gets right toasty in there, and the power supply is almost too hot to touch. I expect to be PS shopping shortly. :( -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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I'm Back!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Well, mine still works. It just needs a nudge once in a while at < boot up. Is it going to get worse or can I use it for a while? It may get worse or better running it all the time is best. Allison

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Dos 2.1 and 2.11

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Dual processors? Another I've never heard of. My 8086 databook says < that up to four can be wired together, but I've never heard of anyone < doing it. Did this particular one work well? You could do more than four, it took a little more work as the simple parts to do it were roll your own and it was pretty impressive. later on NCR would have a box with 4 486/50s and it could wail. Allison

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Altair - A different perspective

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Hm, interesting. I had always thought that DEC made all of their own si < Does anybody know when DEC started rolling their own? They did and also used harris, AMD and others as silicon foundries as the then dec facility was capacity limited. DEC did most of their own design or formed partnerships with others. The earliest was the 6100 series. Later PDP11 and special support chips. < I think the burning question would be: How does one debug somehting < like this? the chipset or the Pcode? Pcode was easy as any other asm lang. The chipset had enough stuff available externally o debug easily. Allison

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Shame, shame, shame

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Of course, the amount is irrelevant. Particle accelerator experiments have not been able to split lusers up into any constituent parts. In fact, they may be the elemental particles of intelligence. Of course, if Congress funds my new Me^H^H ultra high-powered particle accelerator, we'll be able to test this once and for all. In short, even if your rounded up all of the lusers, you couldn't destroy them. >luser-antiluser[1] pairs are produced wherever there's enough (minimal!) >energy :-).... > >[1] An antiluser is not clueful, right! > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Altair - A different perspective

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

At 01:18 PM 8/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > >< Now *that's* historic! Western Digitals first (and last) CPU effort, th >< first HLL ever implemented as an instruction set on a chip (afaik, anywa >< rare as hen's teeth (I'll bet it's scarcity is on the order of the Apple >< not to mention that it was a *very* early 16-bit system that was actuall >< available to mere mortals. > >BZZT!!! first the PDP-11/03 is the WD chipset, the alpha microsystems >s100 crate used the same WD chipset. The WD chip set alloed you to create >your own microcode based cpu. It was the only whole computer WD marketed. Hm, interesting. I had always thought that DEC made all of their own silicon. Does anybody know when DEC started rolling their own? >It didn't run pascal it ran the compiled result P-code which was a stack >machine. OIC. Silly Me. >Scarce, they did make a few. They were expensive though. > >< It was a good idea; but as is so common in this business, the old axiom >< held true: >< No good deed goes unpunished. >< >< I think WD lost their shirt on this one . . . > >About right. It's was not cheap and hard to expand. However the sales >of the chipsets to outside producers (DEC and AMS) made them a bundle. Kinda reminds me of the Moto 88000. The original 88k never gained a following, and Mot lost their shirt. But much of the 88k's technology went into the PowerPC, which was a little more successful. >I'd love to see a manual for the chipset and microcode information. I think the burning question would be: How does one debug somehting like this? Jeff > >Allison >

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prototyping (was OT: BLAM...)

by peacock＠simconv.com

>Curious. Same goes for people who aren't in a large company and invent various other things. How did he 'invent' a gun without owning the necessary tools (at least I doubt a magazine writer would own this stuff) to process metal? Also, how did Woz make a case for the Apple ][, etc? Are there companies that take single orders like this? There are companies which will build one off prototypes for you. They are usually listed under something like custom electronics or fabrication services in the phone book. Building a prototype is not cheap, the cases, parts, whatever are usually hand machined. Even plastic cases, since an injection mold would run you over $10K in startup costs. Disclaimer: I'm part owner in a company that does this. We have a substantial investment in machine tools (mills, lathes, welding, plasma table), a glass shop (neon and cold cathode tubes), plastic machinery (ovens and router tables), and a paint booth. It's an interesting business, everything from small computers the size of a deck of cards to 2 ton exhibits for computer companies. As for Elmer Keith, he didn't start from scratch. He adapted existing cartridge cases by milling out dies. It's not as complicated as it sounds, some wildcat (i.e. not production) cartridges can be produced with nothing more than hand tools. Jack Peacock

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