- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by manney＠lrbcg.com

I've found those on various 286 systems. I made a key fob out of mine! >> >> The 286 chip in the T3100 series was smaller than the regular 286 chip >> (IIRC). The "fun" part about it was that it just dropped into the socked >> (loosely), and was held in place by the heatsink that snapped on top [one >> of Toshiba's *many* bad designs). If the computer would get bumped

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Toshiba T4600

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I am in need of a few things for a Toshiba T4600 VGA 486 laptop. The unit could probably use a new battery, this one holds for less than 5 mins after all night charging. I'm also interested in the users manual and possibly a docking bay, or at least the model number or part number of a suitable docking bay. Other reasonable items such as PCMCIA items that will work on it I may be interested in as well. ___________________________________________________ Russ Blakeman Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 ___________________________________________________

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Various things

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, A reply to a previous post and some other things... On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 Tony Duell wrote (Re: MAC ATTACK): >The normal sets in the UK are of 2 forms - either integral handle/blade >(just like a normal screwdriver) or a set of 1/4" hex insert bits and a >handle. In neither case will they fit into a classic Mac, alas. The >problem with the insert bit type is that the bit holder is too large to >fit into the Mac. CPC plc sell a "Macintosh Computer Case Screwdriver" for 1.19 pounds (+VAT). The order code is TL01544. They also sell a more or less identical one (Ideal brand) for over 5 pounds. Repair of switchmode PSU from SyDOS 44e external drive case ----------------------------------------------------------- I am trying to repair the PSU from an old SyQuest external drive case. The PSU is made by Skynet, model SNP-9533-2. It has +5V and +12V outputs, both rated at 2A. The fault is a short between the +5V and ground lines. This showed up as a twitching of the cooling fan, as the unit repeatedly shut down and started up again. Thanks to the sci.electronics.repair FAQ, I have found the faulty component. A schottky rectifier has gone short circuit. There are two identical rectifiers in parallel. The other one is okay. So, I need to find a replacement for the broken rectifier, which is marked as follows: 31DQ 04 3F According to the data sheet available from www.irf.com, the specs are: I Rectangular waveform 3.3A F(AV) V 40V RRM I @ tp=5us sine 470A FSM V @ 3Apk, T = 25C 0.55V F J T -40 to 125 C J Will it be okay to use any diode of higher rating than the original? Can anyone recommend a suitable replacement, or does someone have a spare 31DQ04 diode? Mac SCSI cable -------------- I have a Mac SCSI cable, which has 50 way Centronics type connectors on both ends. On one end there is a small "extension", the body of which is about 2cm deep. It has a male Centronics connector on one end, female on the other. The Apple logo is moulded into it, and the Apple part # is 590-0304-A. What is the purpose of this? When it is in the SCSI cable, I cannot boot (my non-Apple computer) without having the external MO drive turned on. Without this thing,it works fine. Maybe something to do with TERMPWR? Wangtek tape streamers ---------------------- I was lucky enough to find Wangtek 5525ES and 5150ES SCSI tape streamers the other week, along with a couple of Adaptec PC SCSI controller cards. One of these, assuming that they work okay, should finally allow me to read (if not make use of) my Amiga UNIX tape. Did the Wangtek streamers normally come with any PC driver software, or is this not necessary? Hitachi CD-ROMs --------------- I have some old external Hitachi CD-ROMs (model CDR-1503S, I think). These have 37-way D connectors on the back, and they came with a couple of 37-way D cables. It looks like you can daisy-chain two or three of these to one PC. The Hitachi web site was unhelpful. Does anyone know anything about these? Do they need a special interface card, or do they plug into the 5.25" drive port on the back of my PC (which is a 37-way D connector)? Does anyone have suitable drivers? It would be a shame to get rid of them, since they seem to work; at least, after powering on I can eject and insert discs. Sinclair Oxford 300 calculator ------------------------------ I bought one of these the other week. Is this the same Sinclair as produced the ZX80, ZX81 etc.? A quick description: Unit is powered by 9V PP3 type battery, has an 8 digit red flourescent display. A minimal range of scientific funtions; (arc)sin, cos, tan, ln, e^x, square root and reciprocal. There is a switch on the back to choose between degree and radian modes. Calculation of (for example) the sine of a number takes about two seconds. Unless I haven't figured out how to use it properly, the answers it gives are rather inaccurate; for example: square root of 2 = 1.4139192 e = 2.6108 (obtained by entering 1 and using e^x function) It may be faulty; repeatedly pressing the 0 button causes the number entered to be variously 22000000, 22220000 or 20000000. (Though I just tried this again, and it seems okay now.) -- Mark

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Altos 586

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

I used to maintain one of these beasties in the late 1980's. It used Altos III terminals, which were just WYSE-50's with different color plasteek and slightly different firmware. It ran XENIX, which it seemed like it was of Edition 7 vintage. This particular one was a bit tempremental, and went down every few months or so due to hardware problems. It used a pair of Quantum 40MB FH hard disks. It think it could accomodate a 60 or an 80 as well, if I'm not mistaken (as I frequently am). Actually, it was a cool little machine. It was used for Cellular Telephone billing, and I learned how to use Unix on it. Shoot, I even remember the default root password after the Xenix was installed: 'sotla' :-) Jeff On Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:09:04 -0500 "David Williams" <dlw(a)trailingedge.com> writes: >On 5 Sep 98, at 11:52, Allison J Parent wrote: > >> No, server is a newer concept. It was an integrated multiuser system >where >> there was one CPU (Z80) per user and likely ran CP/M, MPM (or clone >like >> turbodos). The 8086 was likely a local server for disks and such to >the >> local z80s. They all used the bus as a physically short network to >> exchange data. > >The Altos 586 ran Xenix off the 8086 IIRC. My father's office used >one about that time for their accounting. They looked at the Altos, >a Fortune and one other Unix based system at the time and picked >the Altos. They felt the company had a little better staying power >over the others. Not a bad little system, they ran 3 users with no >more than 1 meg of memory and could have put a couple more on >it. Don't recall the sizes of the disks. > > >----- >David Williams - Computer Packrat >dlw(a)trailingedge.com >http://www.trailingedge.com > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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Need submissions for VCF links page

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Hi People. I'm building out the VCF links page and would like to invite suggestions or requests for submission for inclusion on the page. The URL is http://www.siconic.com/vcf/vcflinks.htm. You can scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the "Submit a Link" button, or just e-mail me with a link. I could especially use some help in fleshing out the specific computer links groups, such as Commdore, Atari, Radio Shack, etc. as well as adding sections for additional computer families. Thanks! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 08/25/98]

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WTB: TRS-80 stuff.

by roblwill＠usaor.net

> > Check the stuff Frank Larosa has on his site at > http://www.searchlight.com/frank/milo.htm > > He has a Model III set up with external drives to include a 3.5" drive. I'm not > sure what you can do for a hard drive but if you can get some makes/models I > can see what I can scrounge up. As for a full height floppy, the one you have > is most likely a Tandon belt drive and you should be able to lube and clean it > and get it back on line with a little more detailing. Most likely the head(s) > need to be cleaned with denatured alcohol and the mechanism all lubed > (liberally and then wiped off) with a silicone based oil, much like sewing > machine oil. I do use sewing machine oil, the type they have at Walmart in a > white and red bottle sold under the Singer name. I just refill the needle oiler > I bought at tandy some years ago. Use it on VCRs, appliances, etc. > I may be able to get the lower drive working by oiling it, but not the upper drive. My friend's 4-year old cousin put a penny in the top of the computer, and it fell on the disk drive PCB. When I took the computer apart, the penny was still there - fused to the top of the board, with a black ring around it. I'm not sure if they're Tandon or ALPS. The keyboard was made by ALPS, but I didn't look at the drives. I looked at Frank's TRS-80, and I tried to put my drive in it, but it was too long and wide. I noticed that his was a Model 4. It may have a different drive mount. From the picture, the mount looks like it's shiny metal. Mine's a dull, gray plastic. I'll try to get the model numbers from it. I think the stickers are still on there.

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old computer

by nmccann＠creativecomputing.com

I have an Apple IIe, with two floppy drives, and an imagewriter printer. Have you any idea how I could get rid of them short of sending them to the land fill? I live in Monmouth County, New Jersey. Nellie McCann

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Osborne 01 computer

by handyman＠sprintmail.com

Hello everyone, I am needing schematics for an Osborne 01 computer, or some help in repairing it.. I just purchased it last week and was using it for about 30 minutes (It had not been used for some 13 years).. Worked perfectly and is in mint condition.. Then all of a sudden a crackle and smoke poured out.. It was still working but I quickly turned it off to save it from further damage.. I took it apart for a quick look expecting to find a burnt electrolyte capacitor in the power supply but did not see any damage.. I am afraid to power this unit up again for fear it will damage the mainboard.. Can anyone help me this is one of the finest old computer I have ever owned and I want to get it working again.. There must be someone that has schematics out there for it.. or maybe someone can help me dx it.. Thank You.. Phil Clayton

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Followup to Toshiba 3100e

by roblwill＠usaor.net

The 286 chip in the T3100 series was smaller than the regular 286 chip (IIRC). The "fun" part about it was that it just dropped into the socked (loosely), and was held in place by the heatsink that snapped on top [one of Toshiba's *many* bad designs). If the computer would get bumped suddenly, or if the chip would move due to expansion and contraction of the chip from heat, it would need to reseated. There was also VERY little airflow in those machines. The power supply has a 1 1/2" fan, and the hard drive and floppy drive were directly in front of the internal air vents, basically blocking the already limited (because of fan size) airflow. The HD controller was also buried under the hot power supply. The controller would heat up, and the P/S would heat up, causing the HD controller to blow >from overheating, and making it seem like the heads in the HD were stuck (don't know if toshiba did this on purpose...). The HD's, if you can find one are around $150 for a 20 meg. I don't know the cost of the controllers, because I sold the thing for parts before I even thought about looking in to it. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 PS>> when the P/S starts blowing out air about as hot as a hair dryer set on "low" (about an hour and a half), you better turn it off an let it cool down for a bit (or just put it on ice). ---------- > From: Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Followup to Toshiba 3100e > Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 5:52 PM > > Next best thing to thermal transfer compound. Evidentally the 286 chip is one of the > older non-C types that generate a lot of heat > > ___________________________________________________ > > Russ Blakeman > Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 > Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 > Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com > Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ > ICQ UIN #1714857 > ___________________________________________________ > >

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Altos 586

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< It is not obvious what it is. Has a 5 1/4" floppy and a hard drive, an 8 < cpu and about 6 or so Z80's. There are no obvious monitor or keyboard < connections, just connections marked port 1, port 2.... to port 6 and a < number marked as being hard drive expansions and one marked as "Altos ne Of course ther are no monitor or keyboard plugs... Thats a PC thing. ;) It expected serial terminals like vt100 or ADM3s and the like. < The copyright marks on the boards are marked 1982. < < Anyone know what this is? A 1982 server perhaps? No, server is a newer concept. It was an integrated multiuser system where there was one CPU (Z80) per user and likely ran CP/M, MPM (or clone like turbodos). The 8086 was likely a local server for disks and such to the local z80s. They all used the bus as a physically short network to exchange data. Allison

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WTB: TRS-80 stuff.

by roblwill＠usaor.net

That wasn't my problem. I really don't care about the date. The problem is, when I typed the date, NOTHING happened, because the keyboard was gummed up. I normally just type 11/11/11 at the date prompt, anyway. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Phil Clayton <handyman(a)sprintmail.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: WTB: TRS-80 stuff. > Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 10:01 PM > > Jason, I think the problem is that the original version of TRSDOS you are using > will not accept a date after 1989. > As you say it boots fine to a date prompt.. > You will need to get LDOS to correct this funny flaw in the operating system. > Guess They never expected them to be around so long.. > But it sound like you have it working.. > > Phil... >

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Altos 586

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

One of my finds this week was an Altos model 586-30E. It is not obvious what it is. Has a 5 1/4" floppy and a hard drive, an 8086 cpu and about 6 or so Z80's. There are no obvious monitor or keyboard connections, just connections marked port 1, port 2.... to port 6 and a number marked as being hard drive expansions and one marked as "Altos net". The copyright marks on the boards are marked 1982. Anyone know what this is? A 1982 server perhaps? Thanks Hans Olminkhof

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FW: FREE PDP-11/73 with tape drive in Cheshire

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

ATTN: Rescuers in England/UK! This fellow's looking for a home for a MicroPDP-11/73, and it sounds like it's well-equipped. Please contact him directly if interested. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: helbig(a)man.ac.uk (Phillip Helbig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: free VAX 11/73 with tape drive in Cheshire Date: 5 Sep 1998 12:40:26 GMT Organization: University of Manchester, NRAL Message-ID: <6srbfq$c0f$1(a)probity.mcc.ac.uk> Reply-To: p.helbig(a)jb.man.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: multivac.jb.man.ac.uk Lines: 48 Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!peer.news.bb.u-net.net!u-net!yama.mcc.ac.uk!man.ac.uk!HELBIG As mentioned before, I'm planning on doing inventory on some old VAX stuff I have and having a big give-away in a few weeks. By the way, I'm still looking for stuff myself, especially tape drives (8mm) and bigger SCSI disks---see http://multivac.jb.man.ac.uk:8000/helbig/vms/vax.txt . I especially want VAXstation 4000 or VAXstation 3100 boxes. When picking up my last lot, I decided to save an 11/73 from destruction, hoping I could give it a good home. I don't know much about it except that it has a good tape drive in it and two sizes of floppies (no, neither is 3?"---5" and 8"). I need to get rid of this quickly, as it is filling up my car and making it difficult to drive. It's a rack-mount. If you want it, then come and get it, but you better hurry 'cause it's going fast. Previous experience shows that there is a big demand for these old systems. It's first come, first served. I would prefer people who will take it in any case, as there's not much point in looking at it and I want to unload it directly from my car into your vehicle. I could arrange to obtain some manuals and perhaps even software distribution media, but not before you pick up the VAX (since I don't want to drive anywhere with it in my car); you could come back for them or I could probably tell you where to pick them up, perhaps on the way to picking up the VAX. Email is the best way to contact me, though the other methods below are OK as well. I barely managed to get it in the back of a VW Polo estate (the previous model; it wouldn't fit in a new Polo) with the back seat folded down. So you need a car at least as big, where the dimensions of the opening are as critical as the volume. If you're not too far away, I could drive it out myself (which might save some effort) but only if you promise me to take it in any case. As far as I know, it is in working order and there is at least the OS and some compilers installed on it. I don't know WHICH OS is on it. -- Phillip Helbig Email ......... p.helbig(a)jb.man.ac.uk Nuffield Radio Astronomy Laboratories Tel. .... +44 1477 571 321 (ext. 297) Jodrell Bank Fax ................ +44 1477 571 618 Macclesfield Telex ................ 36149 JODREL G UK-Cheshire SK11 9DL Web ... http://www.jb.man.ac.uk/~pjh/ My opinions are not necessarily those of NRAL or the University of Manchester.

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Followup to Toshiba 3100e

by roblwill＠usaor.net

---------- > From: Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Followup to Toshiba 3100e > Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 10:54 PM > > > Oh I know the type your talking about, square 286 clamped in with pressure > contacts on all four sides. The last one I saw like that was in a Delta Gold I > had over 10 years ago. It had the white thermal compound on it to the heat sink > cover but of course that unit had more than enough air flow being a desktop > case, unless you got sloppy and let the ribbon cables block the air. I've only > worked on 2 T3100's and that was external work so I can't attest to what may be > inside. > They were supposed to have the terminal compound between the chip and processor. Toshiba didn't put the compound on, leading to another premature failure and more excess heat. > > So the hard drives are a special type huh? > They were made by JVC and had a 26 pin (IIRC) connector, with no power connector. My WANG WLTC has the 10MB version of the JVC drive, and my Tandy 1400HD has an ALPS 20MB with the same connector. I think they were fairly common in old laptops, but just fairly hard to find now. The drive usually didn't go bad in the Toshiba. It was the controller. I know two people who replaced the HD, only to find that it didn't work, either. They sent the HD's back to the company and scrapped the computers. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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Fwd: CBM 4032 Pet info request

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

I got e-mail from Adrienne Carter at Money Magazine (!) asking about the value "either financially or sentimentally" of the Commodore 4032 Pet. I pointed her at e-bay, but she doesn't seem to be just looking for a place to sell one. Unfortunately, I don't know much anything about those machines. So, if any of you out there want to chat about that machine, kindly write to her at this address after removing the letter "x"s from it: Adrixenne_Carter(a)tixmexinc.com . Thanks, Bill.

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Osborne 01 computer smoked..

by roblwill＠usaor.net

normally one of the components is trying to do something with the power, but it can't. sort of like when you short a wall transformer and it starts to hum. Another example is how some of the old computer screens or TV's sometimes put a high-pitched whistle. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Osborne 01 computer smoked.. > Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 9:18 PM > > On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Tony Duell wrote: > > > semiconductors have failed. If the supply is 'tweeting' then the most > > likely problem is either a short on the secondary side (e.g. a shorted > > Question: how can a power supply make noise when it fails in the manner > described above? > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 08/25/98] >

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Apple II parts

by oajones＠bright.net

I have three Apple II motherboards, several floppy drives, and cards laying around. I would like to get one Apple II running. I don't have any experience with Apple II computers. Is there any old timers on the mailing list who can give me some help. I also will need the software for running the computer (the boot disk, ect.). --Alan

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Equipment needs home: Portland, OR. area

by mbg＠world.std.com

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Osborne 01 computer smoked..

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Larry and Tony are discussing a blown capacitor... >> I'd replace it. A 250V _AC_ capacitor, class X. You should be able to get >> that from a good parts company (alas, being in another country I can't >> help you there). >> >> Then try again. Put the PSU on dummy load if you like (I certainly would) >> - a 6V 6W bulb on between the +5V output and the 0V pin. Let it run for a >> few minutes - taking care not to touch the PSU board as there's mains and >> rectified mains all over it. If it runs for (say) 5 minutes on dummy load >> it's safe to try it in the computer again. [...] > You have referred before to this dummy load 6V 6W device. If my > memory of Ohms law hasn't failed me completely this works out to > a 1 amp limit. I also imagine this has to be on the power good line. > Is there any reason you use this configuration ? I have some old 6V 6W > bulbs . Would these work just as well ? Eh? 6V 6W bulb is exactly what Tony suggested. To be more specific, many power supplies have regulator circuits that expect some current to be flowing in the load. These PSUs will push out the wrong voltages, or shut down altogether, if you power them up with nothing on the output. Therefore, when testing power supplies, connect some sort of load device - it doesn't matter what as long as it draws roughly the right amount of current - to the output. Most computer PSUs regulate the voltage on the 5V rail and hope all the others will follow, so this is the best place to connect the load. Light bulbs make good dummy loads because (a) they light up when the current is flowing and (b) they are relatively small, cheap and easy to obtain compared with (say) resistors of similar value. 12V bulbs (e.g. car running lamp (0.3 A) or indicator lamp (1.75 A)) are good for loading 12V lines should you need it. 6V bulbs are good for loading 5V lines. 6V 6W flashlight bulb is good for small and medium PSUs; for larger power supplies I use a 6V 24W car headlamp bulb (yes, my truck has 6V electrics). 12V bulbs also work at 5V, but remeber they have a much lower resistance at 5V than they do at 12. DON'T use the "power good" line to connect the dummy load. This is a digital output - usually TTL level - which can only drive a few mA. DO connect the "voltage sense" line(s) to the load as well as +5V and ground. Philip.

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Apple II parts

by PB14＠leicester.ac.uk

On 4 Sep 98 at 1:24, Sam Ismail wrote: > This guy was a mega turd. Although his FAQ was good, and his amazingly > peurile action of obliterating the FAQ over his personal holy war against > perceived or actual piracy of mostly obsolete software was indeed bizarre, > there are plenty of replacement FAQs available to help out the novice. The "new" FAQs can be downloaded from the Ground FTP server at ground.ecn.uiowa.edu > This debate is being perpetuated by people who have absolutely no life > whatsoever. I engaged in that debate for a few weeks and then went on > with my life. This was 2 years ago, AND THIS DEBATE IS STILL RAGING! Things have improved on the csa2 newsgroup following NM's departure. You forgot to mention his trademark "read the FAQ, stupid" response to every naive question. As you said, definitely a group for the sociologists to enjoy in years to come on Dejanews... Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

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Followup to Toshiba 3100e

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

Problem has apparently been solved by re-seating the 286 chip and putting silicon grease between the chip and the heatsink. It has been going now for several hours. Thanks anyway, folks. Cheers Charlie Fox

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On 03 Sep 1998 18:16:16 -0700, Frank McConnell <fmc(a)reanimators.org> wrote: > One of my other projects is tracing-down IMSAI intellectual property. > IMS sold out to Fischer-Freitas Corp. some time around 1979. My attorneys > are looking into this now; we're retrieving the court docket from the > bankruptcy court in Southern California. >>Heh. Have you read _Once Upon a Time in ComputerLand_ by Jonathan >>Littman (I think)? If not, you should. I'll try to locate a copy. This is all part of learning about a particular computer line...I was about 11 at the time, so my focus was on playing in the park, not computers. Thanks for the input. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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Toshiba 3100e/40, locks up??

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

Just received a pair of 3100e/40's. One seems ok, the other will boot ok but after about four minutes the screen will freeze and the keyboard will become completely inoperative. Turning it off and on results in three or four bright vertical lines on the screen and no other activity. Turning it off for twenty minutes or so results in it booting up normally as above. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to start? Regards Charlie Fox

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old characters (was: magazines)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

yea, i have an old compute! magazine that had a write-up about him. his game was some strategy scenario with the us<->ussr or something like that. he was talking about the future of gaming. In a message dated 9/3/98 7:45:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sinasohn(a)ricochet.net writes: > Speaking of characters, btw, anyone know what ever happened to Chris > Crawford? He wrote some really popular game for the Atari 8-bit computers, > then went on to develop a hit game for the Mac (something about running the > world or something? Sorry, I was never really into games.) He was another > neat person. A physicist turned programmer

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Richard A. Cini, Jr." <rcini(a)email.msn.com> wrote: > One of my other projects is tracing-down IMSAI intellectual property. > IMS sold out to Fischer-Freitas Corp. some time around 1979. My attorneys > are looking into this now; we're retrieving the court docket from the > bankruptcy court in Southern California. Heh. Have you read _Once Upon a Time in ComputerLand_ by Jonathan Littman (I think)? If not, you should. At one point (before 1979) Bill Millard was pursuing an income-sheltering scheme that involved selling IMS to a south-of-the-border company that would liquidate it, then sell its intellectual property to yet another company located on the Isle of Jersey. Said third company would license the intellectual property back to IMSAI Manufacturing Corp. which would make and sell computers. IMSAI Manufacturing Corp. would pay a licensing fee; the third company would pay Millard royalties. I gathered this was never really completed, but Millard ended up going to some effort in an attempt to put things back the way they were, un-incorporating the old IMS Associates Inc. and IMSAI Manufacturing Corp. to release the names, and incorporating new ones of each. Also I thought that it was IMSAI Manufacturing Corp. that filed for bankruptcy and presumably sold its assets to Fischer-Freitas. IMS Associates was (I think) still the parent of both IMSAI Manufacturing Corp. and ComputerLand. Or maybe I don't understand it at all, IANAL. If you'd like to explain it to me I'd appreciate it. -Frank McConnell

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by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hans: >>Did you talk to them ? Their website (http://www.gmtme.com/index.html) >>presents only a few new products - noting of the old stuff. No, I did not. I got the impression that the intellectual property associated with the old MOS stuff remained with the bankruptcy estate. GMT only purchased certain inventory on hand (probably wafers, etching chemicals, etc.) > The non-CSG assets stayed with Escom until they filed for receivership > (bankruptcy), in 1996. The assets were then sold to a Netherlands-based > company (Commodore NL??), who then sold the Amiga assets to Gateway (the > Holstein cow people). I don't think that anyone truly knows who owns the old > 8-bit assets. Commodore NL sells PeeCee compatible machines under the > Commodore name, so I'd bank on Gateway owning them. If anyone on this list > knows anyone at Gateway, now may be the time to use the relationship. >>I think this is a formidable example for all our old (pre 1980) toys - Almost all of the small (and >>even some of the big) manufactiurers/designers have vanished. So who owns the design, >>the ROM code, the spechial chip designs, the manuals and any other soft ? One of my other projects is tracing-down IMSAI intellectual property. IMS sold out to Fischer-Freitas Corp. some time around 1979. My attorneys are looking into this now; we're retrieving the court docket from the bankruptcy court in Southern California. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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Looking for a rack...

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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Osborne 1 boot disk needed.

by scott＠isd.canberra.edu.au

Thanks to the advice on restoring my rained-on Osborne 1 (especially from Tony Duell - thanks Tony), it is now up and running, and asking for a boot disk, which of course I haven't got. Is there any way to create a boot disk from an image, and if so where can I find such an image? I'm pretty sure my Osborne has a double-density controller (it is the blue version, and the floppy drives appear to be plugged into a daughterboard). I addition to a PC with a 360K floppy drive, I have a copy of Sybex's 22disk and a copy of a much earlier program called ALIEN.COM, both of which can read and write CP/M disks in a variety of formats. (BTW, does anyone have a version of ALIEN.COM later than 1.0Fj?) I also have a Commodore 128D, plus external 1571 and 1581 drives, and I've found a CP/M program called Jugg'ler-128, which is supposed to allow reading and writing of around 140 different CP/M formats (including, it seems, Osborne 1 single-density). So given these resources, is it possible for me to create an Osborne 1 boot disk? I understand that I can get one (for a small fee) from the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives via Don Maslin, but this involves getting the disk shipped halfway around the world, not to mention the added complication of getting a few Australian dollars converted into (even fewer) US dollars. Also, is it possible to get images of the other disks that originally came with the Osborne 1 (Wordstar et al)? Are there any licensing issues with this? I would have thought that, since the programs came with the machine originally, owning the machine would imply having a license, but I'm sure things are more complicated than that. Thanks in advance. | Scott McLauchlan |E-Mail: scott(a)cts.canberra.edu.au | | Network Services Team |Phone : +61 2 6201 5544 (Ext.5544)| | Client Services Division |Post : University of Canberra, | | University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA | ACT, 2601, AUSTRALIA. |

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OT RE: BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! ;]

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/27/98 9:03:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk writes: > > The Unimat (it's still being made) is a nice machine, but IMHO a little > small for the sort of things that I'm likely to need.... > i really dread continuing this off topic discussion, but american science and surplus (sciplus.com) sells the unimat 1 for $300. is it any good? i had a friend who had one in grade school, but i dont think he ever did anything with it. i can imagine it could come in handy for turning small parts, computer related and otherwise.

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by fmc＠reanimators.org

Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> wrote (after me): > >IANAL. > > OK, this has got to be the worst acronym yet. Are you describing your > personality, are you trying to tell us that you're not a lawyer, or > what? Well, when I typed it I was thinking "I Am Not A Lawyer", but as long as you're asking I'll answer "all of the above." -Frank McConnell

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Osborne 01 computer smoked..

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I have an old WANG WLTC that a Cap will explode if is left plugged in for more than a minute without the battery in it. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Osborne 01 computer smoked.. > Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 9:15 PM > > > Has anyone else had this problem with old computers befor..? > > I've seen a Tektronix terminal where all the mains filter capacitors > exploded but the terminal was otherwise fine. No idea why... > > -tony >

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Chain of ownership (was KIM/MOS-Tech)

by rcini＠email.msn.com

To Sam and any others: > Also, who owns the rights to the Altair 8800 now? Percom? ICOM? Ed > Roberts? What happened after all the buyouts and bakruptcies? I'll do some research on this if someone can give me a complete chain of ownership (as far as anyone knows), approximate dates, addresses, any notes on bankruptcies, etc. My attorneys are alyaws looking for interesting projects :-) Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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hitachi cd-rom drivers

by manney＠lrbcg.com

I do, I think. Lemme check. >Someone here mentioned a few days ago that he had the drivers >for a hitachi cd-rom drive. Does anyone remember who it was? I want to >test this thing before shipping it.

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:04 PM 9/2/98 PDT, you wrote: >These days, but I think 1983 is a little different. And if a book is >successfull, why wouldn't they think about a second edition. The >compelling reason to save a floppy version is that they might want >to go back and edit something. If you wrote a book in 1983, had the second edition in 85, then they discontinued the 8-bit ataris. Now it's 1995, you're moving, and you've got this box with an old atari and a bunch of disks. You look at the Pentium PC on your desk, reminisce for a few moments, laugh, and toss it on the trash pile. With your original manuscript disks. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:04 PM 9/2/98 PDT, you wrote: >if an author is proud of his book, he won't trash the manuscripts. Not necessarily. He may have hundreds of the printed copy, and not think that the original manuscript, on an 8-bit Atari floppy, for example, is worth keeping around. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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old computers

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:49 PM 8/31/98 -0700, you wrote: >Marvin, this came out as an unviewable HTML and PLAIN text document on my >end that PINE's external viewer couldn't handle. When I replied it came Eudora assumes it's an attachment and puts it in a file; I end up with hundreds of stupid little files called "reoldcom" or whatever. PITA. >this problem of posting their messages in HTML. I think you guys should >be able to configure your mail program to send only unencoded plain text. On the other hand, this particular Marvin (not the one we're used to) is a) probably a CPA and thus perhaps not truly computer literate (why else would he be dumping perfectly good 486's?) and b) not subscribed to the list, so unless you BCC'ed him, he didn't get it. (Probably wouldn't get it anyway.) Keep in mind, folks, that the list is echoed to a web site. If someone does a search on, say, "Altair", they're going to find several of the pages with list messages. They'll then send a message to the address listed (the list) asking how much their Altair is worth, or what have you. Probably without checking the date, btw, which is why we occasionally see messages like "I see you are searching for a rare commodore 64 power supply; I can sell you one for $199 plus shipping" when no one's been looking for a C PS for months. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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old characters (was: magazines)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:30 PM 8/31/98 -0400, you wrote: >Max Eskin wrote: >> >> Who _is_ Jerry Pournelle? > >Columnist in Byte, "The User's Column", later renamed "Computing ... >good science fiction writer and half of the best science fiction Well, I'm not so crazy about him as a sf writer, but I did feel that his columns in Byte did well in showing, in a way that a techie could understand, what it was like for a user to be confronted with new technology. Nearly ran him down one time, though, on my skateboard, because I was busy checking out his wife. 8^) Wasn't (isn't) she a expert in special ed or something like that? I remember him; he (99.99%) probably doesn't remember me. But love him or hate him, he was a fascinating character. Not sure if he claimed it outright or just alluded to it, but I always got the impression he had been a spy or something in the 50's/60's. Any truth to that? Speaking of characters, btw, anyone know what ever happened to Chris Crawford? He wrote some really popular game for the Atari 8-bit computers, then went on to develop a hit game for the Mac (something about running the world or something? Sorry, I was never really into games.) He was another neat person. A physicist turned programmer. Lastly, anyone know whatever happened to the local San Francisco BBS Newsbase and its denizens? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Booting up and LSI 11/23

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>17400 can't be a disk address... The physical address range for I/O >BTW - what sort of DEC disk do your disks emulate? That would help >in being able to tell you what address you could twiddle with, and >what toggle-in boot code to try... 174400 is the RL02, and it's vaguely possible that this is the CSR he meant to type. He describes the disk packs as being Diablos, and RL02 packs do have the same form factor. But if this were the case, then the device he should be trying to boot from would be DL0:, not the DK0: he's been trying so far. 177400 is the RK05, and this is possible too. Of course, we've so little information that this is all just shooting in the wind! ----- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

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apple2GS wave keyboard

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Hi gang. Just to let you know, the Adesso TruForm (AEK-606) wave style keyboard works great with the apple2GS. For those of you like me with big hands and wrists that don't like bending sideways during typing, this thing is a godsend. US$89.95 at CompUSA, probably cheaper in MacMall. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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HTML in email (fwd)

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

This is not relevant to vintage computers but it is relevant to people who, unbeknownst to them, are sending HTML in their e-mail. Hope it helps someone. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 08/25/98] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:45:55 +0000 From: Mark <mark_k(a)iname.com> To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> Subject: HTML in email Anyway, here are some instructions on how to turn off this mis-feature. Telling senders of HTML messages how to do this will allow them to turn the HTML off. Regards, -- Mark Knibbs mark_k(a)iname.com Removing HTML from Internet Mail and Outlook Express. ===================================================== Internet Mail ------------- Go to the Mail menu, select Options. This brings up a set of tabs. The first tab is marked Send. Near the bottom of this is a section Mail Sending Format. There are two bullet holes (radio buttons), set this to Plain Text instead of HTML. Outlook Express --------------- Go to the Tools menu and select Options. click the second tab which is marked Send. Here you have both mail sending format and news sending format. For both put the bullet point next to Plain text and not HTML.

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Booting up and LSI 11/23

by mbg＠world.std.com

>The drives are Diablo 30 drives, and the disks (there are several), are >marked PDP-11 system disk, and PDP-11 Backup disk. The previous owner >told me when I picked them up, that they should boot. Last night, I tried >playing around with it again, and tried to access the disk status >register (round about 17400(8) from memory, but I'm at work just now and >it was late last night, so my terrible memory can't be sure...). It >seemed to contain 000000 (from typing @17400/). :( Which doesn't, as far >as I can tell from the assorted docs, look to promising for the state >drive. 17400 can't be a disk address... The physical address range for I/O page addresses is 17760000-17777776. On some machines this can be shortened to 760000-777776, and on some, even further to 160000-177776. (Though if you are referencing the I/O page from within a program, you must use a 16-bit value in the range 160000-177776, and the memory management must either be off, or setup such that the mapping registers for that range point to the actual I/O page). Have you examined memory beginning at 0 to see if there has been any code actually loaded from the disk? (Deposit something like zero or 177777 in a bunch of locations beginning at address 0, and after trying to boot, check those addresses... if they are different from what you entered, then that might indicate the disk has actually done something) BTW - what sort of DEC disk do your disks emulate? That would help in being able to tell you what address you could twiddle with, and what toggle-in boot code to try... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Digest?

by ab594＠sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca

Is this list available in digest format? If so - how does one subscribe?

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Booting up and LSI 11/23

by gim＠hitec-uk.com

Tim, The drives are Diablo 30 drives, and the disks (there are several), are marked PDP-11 system disk, and PDP-11 Backup disk. The previous owner told me when I picked them up, that they should boot. Last night, I tried playing around with it again, and tried to access the disk status register (round about 17400(8) from memory, but I'm at work just now and it was late last night, so my terrible memory can't be sure...). It seemed to contain 000000 (from typing @17400/). :( Which doesn't, as far as I can tell from the assorted docs, look to promising for the state drive. An other potential problem is that I believe a clock pulse was generated by a CAMAC crate attatched to it. I've got the crate, but cannot attatch it at present because it needs a 110V supply, and I don't have my 110V transformer just now. My house is a 240V only zone at the moment, or at least as long as these machines stop tripping the surge detector!. I need to install a more forgiving fuse box. Thanks for your help. Grant >>at $ prompt type in drive name >> >> $ DK0 > >What sort of media are you actually trying to boot? Why do you think >it's got a valid boot-block? > >>It now takes me back to the @ prompt. >>Type in 0g >> >> @0g >> >>and I get 000002 back. >>I'm assuming that the '2' I get back is an error of some sort. Can anyone >>shed any light >>on this one for me. > >Nope, it's not an error - it's the address the CPU stopped at. It's >certainly the case that at address 0, there's a "HALT" instruction >(i.e. the contents are zero.) This is very possibly because the boot >block you read into location 0 was all zeroes - i.e. not a boot block >at all.

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HE HE HE

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

C'mon guys, be nice. It's probably someone doing a school report or something. www.chac.org/chhistpg.htm has plenty of links to pictures. Try the PDP ftp archives, they have some good pics. >I have a nice 10MB file of a PDP-1...should I send it to her? ;) > > > > >> Please send me a imagen of minicomputers > > >........................................................................ > > @ > / > / Shift Lever > (D)/ >\===================================== @ ================ Floor Plan === >BNL |- - -Phase Shifter- - - -|--/ Get Wired! >- ------------]=[]@----------------------@ 415.276.4979 >Trans- ] ]](A) Toll Free 1.888.208.6655 (B) ? (C) Rear Connection >mission ]]]]]]]]]]]]Driveshaft]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] > ] ]] >71 ------------] web superstation of the stars... >van burnham http://www.futuraworld.com >production manager >wired 520 third street fourth floor san francisco ca 94107 united states >........................................................................ >for immediate emergency wireless access send email to van-page(a)wired.com >van(a)wired.com van(a)futuraworld.com pingpong(a)spy.net vanburnham(a)aol.com > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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No subject

by esther95＠gro1.telmex.net.mx

Please send me a imagen of minicomputers

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PT SOL Arrives

by workapulo＠my-dejanews.com

Well, my new (old) PT SOL machine showed up (after nearly being lost by UPS) last night. Of all the classic machines I have gathered, this one was by far the best kept of the bunch. Bob Stek, the docs showed up (thank you) the same time. How nice :) Tony -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums

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TI Compact Computer 40

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>So what is it? Any model number on the machine? >Francois The model is Compact Computer 40, abbreviated as CC40. It's a small 9 X 5.5 " unit, gray, with a full keyboard including numeric keypad, and a one-line 30-character display. It has 8k RAM and 2k ROM (I think) and BASIC and a monitor in ROM. A cartridge port, HEXBUS port for plugging in cool stuff which I don't have (like a tape drive), and AC adapter port. Runs on 4 AA batteries. Has lots of math functions as well. Comes with a manual, mostly about BASIC, and anothe r book called 'Learn BASIC: A guide to programming the TI CC40' It's made in 1983. There is an ad for it that runs '20 pages of notes, a thesis, algebraic formulas. Can you make a date at eight? Turn to your TI Compact Computer. By 7:14 your TI CC40(tm) has your notes filed, the changes made in your thesis, and all those formulas worked. The CC-40 goes where you go -- the classroom, library, anywhere. It's cordless, compact, sophisticated. It gives you much of the problem solving power of Apple or IBM personal computers. But it's a fraction of the size and price..." the ad goes on to say 6K RAM, 34K ROM, which doesn't agree with my manual. This thing runs at 2.5 Mhz,BTW. So, if anyone has any cartridges or accessories (that tape drive sure looks nice!) that they would be willing to sell/trade/give to me... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Anybody want this stuff?

by museum＠techniche.com

Hi Scott, Just checking whether you're still trying to sort things out or what not? Regards, Jon >Jon Healey wrote: >> >> Hi Scott, >> >> I think I'd be interested in the xerox and the Amstrad. >> Are they spoken for yet? >> >> Where are you located? I'm in NH. >> > >Neither are claimed at the moment. In the case of the Xerox, it has a >lot of documentation and will be quite heavy to ship I think. Give a >couple of days to sort out the stuff and I will be back in touch with >you. > >I am located in Rocky Mount, NC. > > > > >Thanks, > >Kirk Scott >scottk5(a)ibm.net >

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