Well, dang it... I'm running out of room, and I really don't have the time
that this gorgeous old beastie deserves, so....
Here's what I've got. A complete H89 system as follows.
System unit with internal FD -- no screen burn that I can see, very clean.
External dual FD. (all FD's are 5.25" hard-sectored 40 TPI).
Cassette I/O board.
OkiData Microline 82 series printer.
IBM "Plug-and-Play" EPROM kit for the OkiData, something about 'Block
Graphics.'
Extra printer ribbon, still in the shrink wrap.
Spare chips: 4116-25, 74S132, and 74LS186.
PROMs (Heath/Zenith part numbers on the labels): 2 ea. 444-43
EPROMs (a pair of 2716's, also with H-Z part numbers on the labels): 444-40
That's the hardware. About the only thing that's missing (God only knows
why) are the hardware manuals.
I do have the following software for it, with manuals.
CP/M-80, Ver. 2.2, Heath-Zenith tagged.
'Ed-a-Sketch' graphics editor.
'Reach' modem and file transfer program.
PIE 1.5 full-screen editor.
HUG Utilities and BASIC-E disks.
NewWord Word Processor, ver. 2.17
JRT Pascal, V. 3.0.
Space Odyssey 1
Microsoft BASIC Compiler on original 8" diskette, ver. 7032.530
Spare diskettes (at least a box worth).
Please to make me an offer on the whole schmeer! I know I can trust you
lot to make it a fair one. It would probably be best if said offer came
>from someone local (Seattle, Portland, etc.). I can ship the stuff, but
that could get costly even with UPS Ground. Some of the units are pretty
heavy!
Thanks in advance.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) (Web:
http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin)
SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
I have a friend who has 6 Sparc SLC's with either dud power supplies or
monitor sync problems, is the schematics for the power supplies available
easily? Not having looked at them myself, I would expect that they are a
standard SWPS, also would anyone know the voltages and pinouts for a sparc
supply, it is probably possible to mod another kind of supply to fit :)
Thanks as always :)
Karl
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Computer Engineering student at the University of Canberra, Australia
Email: k.maftoum(a)student.canberra.edu.au
< I think only the CoCos could use OS9
Coco's were not even intel powered. The CPU was the 6809, they were
plastic cased and bore no resembelence to the Tandy 1000(series) or
2000(series).
Coco's ran a resident basic and if you had a disk interface/drive OS9
was available.
Allison
Has anyone tried wiring an 8" RX52 floppy straight to a modern PC
controller? I did the best I know how, and I *appear* to have a
semi-functioning device attached. Trying to read/format the disk
>from Linux causes the drive to access; however, trying to format (even
with PUTR under MsDOS) gives me a verification error and an error about
Track 0. Does this sound more like a media error? The disks (Dysan
101/1) appear to be in fine condition, having been stored in rigid
notebooks in plastic sleeves for the last 10 years or so in a
"media-friendly" environment. There are also lifecycle logs in the sleves,
which indicate that they were initialized and only written to once.
I've been digging around, trying to get enough information to attempt to
set up Forth on my OS-less 11/23, but I don't have another functioning
system to work with (the chicken and the egg). Am I dreaming that I'm
going to be able to get anything accomplished with an emulator and a pair
of 8" floppys Frankensteined to my PC?
On a similar note, does anyone happen to have a Compaticard for
trade/sale?
Aaron
If anyone's looking for some TRS-80's please contact this guy directly.
His ISP comes back as being in SC- figure freight accordingly.
----- Forwarded message from Oliver Murray -----
I have three TRS-80 computers with some software free to a good home,
someone who will put them to a good use.
1. model 1 working
1. model 111 working
1 model 4p not working?
+assorted software
If you can use or know of someone who would like these for collector's
items, they are free, make arrangements to have shipped or pick up.
omurray(a)infoave.net
--
Richard Schauer
rws(a)ais.net
I forget who wanted to hook up a 101 keyboard to a 1000, but here's your
chance to do it:
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
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> From: Phil Clayton <handyman(a)sprintmail.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Tandy Keyboard
> Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 1:09 PM
>
> I you are really interested in using a standard 10 keyboard with your
tandy ,, I
> could check my adaptor box out closer and possibly tell you how to make
one. I
> don't think there are any real electrical changes , just rewiring the
pinouts..
> Let me know, I will open the adaptor box up and tell you whats inside it
if you
> are serious..
> Phil....
>
>
I've got Ultrix RISC 4.4 and two out of the three product library disks on
CDROM. They're what I used to install my DS5000's. I'm not sure if 4.4
will run on a 3100 or not, but I'd be glad to copy these for you if you
like.
Paul Kearns
paulk(a)microsoft.com
> ----------
> From: sethm@loomcom.com[SMTP:sethm@loomcom.com]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 4:45 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Ultrix installation media
>
>
> I just picked up a pair of DECstation 3100's. Both of them are in
> perfect working order, apart from their drives being quite severely
> dead (they won't spin up, though they give it the old college try).
>
> Supposedly (and quite believably), the most recent version of
> NetBSD/pmax is quite a bit nicer and better performing than Ultrix
> ever was, but for historical and nostalgic reasons, I was really
> hoping to be able to run Ultrix 4.2a on these guys.
>
> Does anyone have Ultrix 4.2a distribution media? Alas, I do not have
> a TK50 drive; I know that was the usual distribution method, but I'm
> hoping it was also available on CDROM. For some horribly sick reason
> I miss Ultrix, and it would be nice to play with again.
>
> -Seth
> --
> "The crux of the biscuit Seth J. Morabito
> is the apostrophe." - Frank Zappa sethm(a)loomcom.com
>
>
> Sorry Jason, I misread your email. Thought you were questioning my
> discovery..
> Wonder why IBM has called this machine a 5126 anyway ?
>
> Also why hasn't someone jumped at the opportunity to purchase this fine
> piece of equipment to tune up their automobile with ... <Grin>!!!
>
> Its only 100 bucks and its the size of a large capacity washer, and
weighs
> 500lbs..
> It would be heaven to dissemble this monster and see what goodies lie
within
> it..
> Phil...
>
They probably called it a 5126 because it has all the diagnostic stuff.
It would be neat to throw a Pentium board, 32x CD-ROM in it, an then see
what it would do. Imagine having it sitting in your living room as your
"PC" :-)
BTW: do you know what resolution the display is?
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
On Oct 16, 22:30, Zane H. Healy wrote:
> Subject: Re: RX50 / RX33 Questions related to PDP-11's
> >> BTW what are the two extra jumpers on the later revision card?
> >
> >Which jumopers?
>
> If you look straight down, with the handles at the top, the card with the
> 23-243E5 and 23-244E5 ROMs has a pair of jumpers to to the right of the
> ROMs. These aren't on the cards I've got with the 23-216E5 and 23-217E5
> ROMs, nor are they on the documentation that Bruce Lane provided last
> weekend.
Hmmm... Not shown in my RQDX3 manual, nor on any of the microfiche I have.
At first I thought you might mean W23 or W12/W13, but they're on the left.
I suspect they're some factory test setting. If I have the time, I'll
pull one of my RQDX3s this weekend and have a look -- though just looking
at them may not do much good, of course!
> The card with the later ROMs will in fact support my home made RX33's.
Sounds like all the jumpers (except possibly W23) are set up right, then
:-)
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On Oct 15, 18:17, Zane H. Healy wrote:
> Subject: Re: RX50 / RX33 Questions related to PDP-11's
> Peter Turnbull wrote:
> >That's 23-216E5 and 23-217E5, the first version of the RQDX3 code. The
> >second revision is 23-244E5 and 23-245E5, which I think does support
RX33s.
> I hope you mean 23-243E5 and 23-244E5. I was able to find one controller
> with that revision, however the rest were the original revision.
Yes, I do, sorry!
> BTW what are the two extra jumpers on the later revision card?
Which jumopers?
> Still no luck otherwise though. Acts the same when I try to boot.
If your ROMs don't support RX33s, there are two problems that may prevent
the RQDX seeing the drives as usable.
First is that an RX50 responds with a READY signal as soon as it's polled,
if there's a disk in it, because the READY signal is really a "disk in"
signal from a set of contacts. Most drives respond with READY only after
the disk is up to speed, since the signal is derived from the index pulses
(the original meaning of the READY signal was that there is a disk in, and
it's up to speed, as determined by measuring the time between two index
pulses). The 200ms (minimum) delay prevents the RQDX seeing the disk.
Second is that on an RX50, the SideSelect -- which isn't normally used,
since an RX50 is really two single-sided drives -- is used to disable the
TrackZero output. The RQDX tests for an RX50 by stepping to Trk0, checking
the output, setting the SideSelect, and checking that the Trk0 signal has
gone away.
I guess these tests are probably because the RX50 shares some signals with
the RDxx drives on the same distribution board.
I have two or three Canon and Mitsubishi drives modified to work like this,
and they work fine on RQDX2s and 3s. Unmodified, they don't. In fact, now
I think about it, I have a feeling those drive "fixes" are needed for the
243/244 ROMs as well.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
< Has anyone tried wiring an 8" RX52 floppy straight to a modern PC
< controller? I did the best I know how, and I *appear* to have a
What is an RX52 floppy? I'll presume you mean the rather large dual
drive RX02. The DEC 8" floppies are RX01/2 and have their own internal
controller. That would make RX01 or 02 disk system very hard to wire
to a PC floppy controller, like near impossible.
FYI: The DEC RX02 DD format is not readable by any standard floppy
controller chip. RX01 however is standard 128 bytes IBM softsector
format.
RX50 drives are fairly easy to wire to a PC it is however single sided
and dual drive with one spindle. The later item will cause all mannor
of errors if the driver doesn't internally know the two drives have a
common positioner. However FD55s jumperd for slow spindle and only
using one side work better!
< On a similar note, does anyone happen to have a Compaticard for
< trade/sale?
Compaticard can only read RX01.
Allison
< use my m.2 and m.3 to check out OS9. I don't think m.1 can use it. There
< to be a respectable amount of software that supports OS9.
< ISTR also that there were other platforms that used it . Any idea what
< were ?
SWTP and other SS50 bus machine with 6809s in them. there was a 6809 S100
CPU that could run it. Generally speaking Moto based systems were not on
my hot list back then (there was some nice stuff though!). The 6809
however did catch my eye as a pretty decent 8bit bus cpu from moto.
Allison
Sorry, I forgot to give the number of the Heath
manual replacement service. It's (616) 925-5899.
If you ever lose the number, it's available on
Heath's site at http://www.heathkit.com/.
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Doug Coward
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
=========================================
I just grabbed a Rainbow out of the garbage with the garbage truck
literally meters away from getting it. After major industrial cleanup
(removing the half gallon of house paint from it and the cigarette goo),
Its up and running mostly. It came with the MS-Dos 2.05 OS, some
manuals, and thats it.
I know diddly squat about this beast (other than the legend of
it possessing two CPU's) and CP/M. So this is a very basic question. When
I get to the menu at boot up it recognizes a: and b: (though a: is a bit
wonky). It will also respond to W which tells me that
there are two cp/m partitions: e: and f: however, when I try to go to
them I get a "message 23 - Non-System Diskette". I seem to be missing the
manual with numbered error messages. I'm assuming that this means that
there is a hard drive problem. However, it is recognizing the partitions
so something is being read. I also don't have the CP/M diskette, only the
DOS. This DOS doesn't have FDISK so I can't look at the partitions via an
OS I know well (though I could do it through debug but I'm being lazy
here), and when I bit the bullet and tried to format the hard
drive it keeps telling me to stick in the diskette to format.
Any help would be appreciated otherwise I'll do a low level
format on the segate drive and pray to the appropriate dieties.
Colan
I went trift store shopping today and picked a copy of "Problem Solving and
the Computer; A Structured Concept with PL/1 (Pl/C)" by Shortt-Wilson.
Does anyone need it?
Joe
That reminds me, does anyone have a burner that can both read & program
16-pin 256x4 PROMs?
Kai
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Coward [mailto:dcoward@pressstart.com]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 3:27 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: PROM Burner
Joe said:
> DataI/O is the lousy about supporting the older equipment. I have a
>model 29 and a 2B module. I do have instructions for the 29 but not for
>the module. The 29 can be programmed from a computer by simple data
>transfer via Rs-232. Or you can use the keypad to enter all the data or to
>modify the data. BUT you need the instructions for the module since they
>include the code numbers used to identify the various EPROMS to the
>programmer. Without those codes the programmer is useless.
I can't believe all of the hammering that Data I/O
is taking on this list.
When I got my series 22 I when right to the Obsolete
Programmer Support section of Data I/Os site to get
the list of code for it. They are right there!!
http://www.dataio.com/support/obsolete.html
or their FTP site
ftp://ftp.data-io.com/dataio/
=========================================
Doug Coward
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
=========================================
Joe said:
> DataI/O is the lousy about supporting the older equipment. I have a
>model 29 and a 2B module. I do have instructions for the 29 but not for
>the module. The 29 can be programmed from a computer by simple data
>transfer via Rs-232. Or you can use the keypad to enter all the data or to
>modify the data. BUT you need the instructions for the module since they
>include the code numbers used to identify the various EPROMS to the
>programmer. Without those codes the programmer is useless.
I can't believe all of the hammering that Data I/O
is taking on this list.
When I got my series 22 I when right to the Obsolete
Programmer Support section of Data I/Os site to get
the list of code for it. They are right there!!
http://www.dataio.com/support/obsolete.html
or their FTP site
ftp://ftp.data-io.com/dataio/
=========================================
Doug Coward
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
=========================================
Wow, I didn't expect this much help getting rid of our "trash".
Basically, there's nothing much unique here. Just some Apple LCs
(bottom of the line) circa 1990 no fancy add ons, some Apple IIGSes,
extra drives, monitors, Imagewriter printers. I'll check on Monday to
see how many of each are in the store room. Perhaps, next Saturday
morning we can clear the room.
Write to me at:
backofene(a)hotmail.com (not to the list) if you're interested and I will
send you directions.
Eileen
>
>We're located in northern VA, 7 miles from DC. The challenge is to get
>the old stuff in the hands of those who want it so it doesn't wind up
in
>landfills.
>We used to have "yard sales" to clear out the old stuff, but I got
tired
>of answering questions/complaints months later from people who bought
an
>entire system for $10, so eventually we just set the stuff out and let
>any interested people take it away. With our student population
>increasing, we're using every available space as classrooms.
>Write me at backofene(a)hotmail.com if you want to help us "take out the
>trash".
>
>Eileen
>
>
>>
>>> I checked the storeroom at school today to discover that all the old
>>> Tandy equipment (which had collected dust there for 2 years) has
been
>>> disposed of. Not even a keyboard left. All I could find is an
>>> assortment of Apple II GSes, drives, Imagewriters etc & a few old
Mac
>>> LCs.
>>
>>Where was this at? I wouldn't mind getting a IIgs setup but don't
want
>to
>>pay a lot of shipping since I can probably find them locally
>eventually.
>>
>>
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There was a 101 keyboard sold by Tandy that did work with the old 1000
SXs. It has dip switches that had to be set correctly. I think it was
marketed under the name Keyboard 1000 or 2000. Anyway, they were quite
expensive (about $100) and we bought a few to keep our old lab going a
few more years.
Eileen
>
>A 101 keyboard will not work at all. The special 8-pin plug is there
for a
>reason - If you do not have a Tandy 1000 keyboard, then the keboard
will
>not work.
>--
> -Jason
>(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
> ICQ#-1730318
>
>> I have a 1000sx buried under a bunch of other stuff and the KB is
>different.
>> In the Tandy 1000 FAQ it says:
>> II.E.2. Can I replace my old 90-key Tandy keyboard with a
101-key
>> keyboard?
>> On the EX and HX, no. On other systems, yes, but it won't work
>exactly
>> like a standard 101-key keyboard since the Tandy keyboard BIOS
is
>> different. A special 101-key keyboard made for the 1000's must
be
>used.
>> See section IV.G. (SL and later systems came with a 101-key
>keyboard,
>> and a compatible BIOS.)
>>
>> > THROWING the 1000's away?? You ought to b4e ashamed. <g>
>> >
>> Landfill for the 90s. Reminds me of all the rusting autoframes
scattered
>across
>> the country. Can't help but think that coming generations will pay
for
>this
>> some way.
>>
>> ciao larry
>> lwalker(a)interlog.com
>
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On Oct 16, 19:19, Olminkhof wrote:
> Subject: Joined Messages
> I am finding an unusual number of inappropriately joined messages. A
> Listserv problem?
> Does anyone know how to get this fixed?
Hmm... I've had this problem from time to time with Pine (a well-known but
in some respects very iffy UNIX mailer) and with other mail software based
on similar library code (elm, and a new GUI one whose name escapes me).
The author of the library made some unwarranted assumptions about what
exactly are the rules that govern separation of messages in a mailbox, and
the allowed formated for the date, with the result that messages sometimes
get stuck together. The author forgot the adage "be forgiving in what you
accept and strict in what you transmit". It's my pet hate at the moment
:-)
Perhaps yuo have a similar problem, either on your local system or your
ISP's?
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
I picked up three DEC memory cards at a surplus store. Can anyone tell me
what machine they're for and what size they are? They're marked
"54-19813-AT" and "ZGO4830455". They have about 78 1 Meg ICs on them. They
must be loaded!
Joe
I dug up a couple more spare PDP-11 references.
These are both small "paperback" books:
MICRO/PDP-11 Handbook, 1983-1984. EB 24944 18/83.
Microsystems Handbook (1985). EB 26085-41/85 04 04/43.
I'd give priority on a trade for a "recent" (~1985-86) Unibus
peripherals handbook (for 11/24, 11/44, 11/84 peripherals).
But let me know even if you don't have anything to trade.
Dave Jenner
djenner(a)halcyon.com
Not a great auction presentation, if you ask me. The same poor overhead
photo for both units, which gives us no idea of cosmetic condition.
Apparently no documentation. Sold "as is" ?!? How could a front-panel
computer be "untested"? And on top of all that, the seller has a (0) rating
(i.e. never sold anything on eBay before). Beware...
Kai
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Wood [mailto:altair8800@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 6:54 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: mucho Altairs on eBay
Looks like the Albuqurque Altairs are coming
out of the woodwork. There is now a 680 and
a 680b to go with the 8800bt.
If anyone was monitoring the auction of the
680 a couple of weeks ago which did not meet the reserve
price of $2500 - thought you might be interested
to know that it was bought by a buyer in Italy
after the auction. The purchaser bought it only
to trade for an original 8800 which he has done.
It will be interesting to see what happens with
these 680's currently up for auction. It appears
that the eBay bidders are not very aware of the
scarcity of the 680 and are consumed by the hype
surrounding the 8800.
Bob Wood
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There is a cute web site (www.netw.com/~drfcline then click on memory
screens) that refer to core memory planes as "memory screens". Perhaps the
word "screens" was used to describe core planes, but I've never seen it used
that way before. Anyway there might be a few of us who have not visited this
site and so now we can.
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.
> From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca>
> Subject: Fairchild Channel F (was: Re: Corrections to trivia)
>
> On 6 Oct 1998, Eric Smith wrote:
>
> > I might, however, get out the old Fairchild Channel F video game system
> > tonight and play a few hands of blackjack on an F8.
>
> Speaking of which... how common are the Channel Fs? I picked up several
> cartridges for one some time ago, but I've never seen the actual unit.
> I've only seen ads for them in old magazines.
>
Well I recall they were sold by Montgomery Wards in the U.S. for a couple
years also the carts I had once bought had Macy's or some other retail chain's
tags on them, so they were well mechandised. But they are somewhat uncommon nowadays.
The Atari 2600 beat them out of business though, pitty, the Fairchild had
some of the coolest joysticks (controls were left, right, up, down, twist
left, twist right, fire (and I think push down))
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>Oy! I' *love* one of those. I have a couple of SMD disks now, and I am
>rescuing a couple more Fujistu Eagles from a 750 in Dayton. All of these
>are attached to VAXen via SI-9900 Massbus<->SMD adapters.
>I'd also love to lay my hands on some 8" or 5.25" SMD driver. Those 14"
>monsters are a bear to move and keep fed.
Actually, those Eagles you have are 10.5" drives. Earlier Fuji's, like
the 2281/82/83/84 series, were 14". (And also had nice transparent HDA
covers so you could see the heads seeking across the platters.)
Just look in any issue of _Processor_ and you'll find many minicomputer
dealers selling 8" SMD drives like the Fuji 2333's and the like. And
there's a dealer who posts to the Usenet PDP-11 newsgroups every couple
of months with 5.25" Hitachi SMD's for sale.
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>I just picked up a nifty little box at WeirdStuff Warehouse for $26
>(I probably paid too much...). It's a "Wilson Laboratories MWX-1000S
>SMD Disk Analyzer", and as far as I can tell seems to be in good
>working order. It has numerous diagnostic buttons, a Hex keypad,
>and a green LED display on the front, and connectors galore on the
>back, along with cables.
>Has anyone seen one of these? Are they very useful? At the moment
>I don't have any SMD disks, but I don't doubt I'll have some at some
>point in the future.
>If anyone knows more about this unit, I'd love to hear about it.
Wilson Labs advertises heavily in _Processor_ and other minicomputer
hardware rags to promote their modern drive systems that replace vintage
ones. In particular, they sell the electronics that will make a single
modern SCSI drive look like many RK05's, Diablos, Massbus disk, or
SMD disk. Thanks to their efforts, hundreds of classic
mid-60's IBM and DEC systems are still running at many sites doing
important work!
The Wilson Labs systems aren't cheap, though :-).
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Contact Joy if your interested in what appears to be a PS2/25 or 30
series machine
I have every reason to belive she would prefer pick up. I can't due to
problems with my truck and far too little space to store things at the
moment.
Allison
===================================
From: Joy Favretti <joyf(a)neca.com>
Subject: Re: Antique Computer
Status: R
Thanks for posting it Allison. I'm not sure of make. It is an old one
which our son gave us in place of an even older IBM. PS/2 sounds right.
Otherwise, your guess is better than mine. I have no documentation for
it.
Joy FavrettiAt 12:48 PM 10/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>< Please let me know if you are interested. I live in Storrs, Connecticu
>< which is within your two hour pick-up range. We are on Route 44, just
>< off the Mass Pike.
A 101 keyboard will not work at all. The special 8-pin plug is there for a
reason - If you do not have a Tandy 1000 keyboard, then the keboard will
not work.
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
> I have a 1000sx buried under a bunch of other stuff and the KB is
different.
> In the Tandy 1000 FAQ it says:
> II.E.2. Can I replace my old 90-key Tandy keyboard with a 101-key
> keyboard?
> On the EX and HX, no. On other systems, yes, but it won't work
exactly
> like a standard 101-key keyboard since the Tandy keyboard BIOS is
> different. A special 101-key keyboard made for the 1000's must be
used.
> See section IV.G. (SL and later systems came with a 101-key
keyboard,
> and a compatible BIOS.)
>
> > THROWING the 1000's away?? You ought to b4e ashamed. <g>
> >
> Landfill for the 90s. Reminds me of all the rusting autoframes scattered
across
> the country. Can't help but think that coming generations will pay for
this
> some way.
>
> ciao larry
> lwalker(a)interlog.com
I have found an ancient PROM burner, a Data I/O System 19, with a Unipac
module fitted. Test stickers on it are dated 1980.
It came with an "Operators Synopsis" with which I am totally out of my depth
and a wall chart dated 1985 with details of PROMs of the day and which
Unipak revision applies to which.
??????????
I had hoped to be able to use it to back up older ROMs which my circa 1995
EPROM programmer can't handle. Is it usable for this?
It has a serial type connector but no software (it predates the PC). There
is an LED and a hexadecimal keyboard. It looks like it was meant to be used
manually !! Typing stuff in character by character.
There's nothing on Data I/O's website about this and they haven't replied to
my email as yet.
Can anyone offer advice?
Thanks
Hans
At 04:15 PM 10/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On 14 Oct 1998, Eric Smith wrote:
>
>> Does IBM reuse model numbers?
NO
gene@ehrich
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5168 XT286
At 04:15 PM 10/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On 14 Oct 1998, Eric Smith wrote:
>
>> Does IBM reuse model numbers? I suppose they must, or four-digit numbers
>> would have been exhausted long ago.
>
>Are you suggesting that IBM has produced over 10,000 different computer
>models? I doubt it!
>
>> The IBM 5120 I'm (only slightly) familiar with is a later version of the
>> IBM 5100 portable computer from 1975.
>
>Does anybody know all the machines that comprised the 51xx series? The
>few I know are:
>
>5100, IBM Portable
>5110, similar with optional (?) 8" flops
>5120, bigger screen, built-in 8" flops
>5140, Convertible
>5150, PC
>5155, Portable PC
>5160, PC/XT
>5180, PC/AT
>
>Was there a 5130?
>
>-- Doug
>
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Are these PC clones? I have seen a tandy (1000, I think) that had a
microphone port. Why was this? I have also seen a tandy which was
sort of like a C64 except it had a 3.5" disk drive. I'm _certain_ it
was a tandy.
>
>We've been throwing out all our Tandy stuff at school. I've seen TLs,
>TXs, SXs and even an HL. But I don't remember an RL. Will the others
>work?
>
>Eileen
>
>
>
>>
>>Greetings
>>
>>I was given a Tandy 1000RL, I need a old Tandy keyboard as nothing
else
>will
>>work with this machine. Anybody have one laying around //
>>
>>
>>Gary
>>
>>
>
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> Looks like the Albuqurque Altairs are coming
> out of the woodwork. There is now a 680 and
> a 680b to go with the 8800bt.
> If anyone was monitoring the auction of the
> 680 a couple of weeks ago which did not meet the reserve
> price of $2500 - thought you might be interested
> to know that it was bought by a buyer in Italy
> after the auction. The purchaser bought it only
> to trade for an original 8800 which he has done.
> It will be interesting to see what happens with
> these 680's currently up for auction. It appears
> that the eBay bidders are not very aware of the
> scarcity of the 680 and are consumed by the hype
> surrounding the 8800.
The 680's are nice, but the 1500 minbid limit on
each is way to high. I did send the seller a mail
with an reasonable bid - so maybe they end up in
Germany :)
Gruss
H.
(My wrath to anyone giving a higher bid :)
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We're located in northern VA, 7 miles from DC. The challenge is to get
the old stuff in the hands of those who want it so it doesn't wind up in
landfills.
We used to have "yard sales" to clear out the old stuff, but I got tired
of answering questions/complaints months later from people who bought an
entire system for $10, so eventually we just set the stuff out and let
any interested people take it away. With our student population
increasing, we're using every available space as classrooms.
Write me at backofene(a)hotmail.com if you want to help us "take out the
trash".
Eileen
>
>> I checked the storeroom at school today to discover that all the old
>> Tandy equipment (which had collected dust there for 2 years) has been
>> disposed of. Not even a keyboard left. All I could find is an
>> assortment of Apple II GSes, drives, Imagewriters etc & a few old Mac
>> LCs.
>
>Where was this at? I wouldn't mind getting a IIgs setup but don't want
to
>pay a lot of shipping since I can probably find them locally
eventually.
>
>
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I've got the service manual that I used to use when I
supported them. I still have a couple of drives though
so I don't want to lose it. I could make a copy given
enough time (it must be ~200 pages). I was planning
to do that at some point since there's someone else
on the list that I promised a copy to (I'll have to dig
up that message to find out who).
Do they have an urgent need or are they just trying
to prepare for when they need it?
Jon
>
>A computer museum in The Netherlands is looking for the documentation for
>a Kennedy 9300 tape drive. I'm sure someone on this list has that.
>
>http://www.wins.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/wanted.html
>
>Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Ever onward.
>
> Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
> See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
> [Last web site update: 09/21/98]
>
>
Opps, I missed that URL. It's late (early?) and
I thought it was part of your digital signature.
I'll follow up on it myself.......
>
>A computer museum in The Netherlands is looking for the documentation for
>a Kennedy 9300 tape drive. I'm sure someone on this list has that.
>
>http://www.wins.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/wanted.html
>
>Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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>
> Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
> See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
> [Last web site update: 09/21/98]
>
>
Now a question for the real wiered stuff:
Does anybody know a Wang-71 ?
I just know the name - I'm right now on a trace of
a specific Russian computer, and they told me that
this machine is a Wang-71 clone, but I can't find any
information about this machine. No, I have no pictures
of the Russian machine and no further data. The clone
is build 1975, so the original design might me a bit
earlyer.
Gruss
H.
P.S.: has anyone a list of PDP-clones ? I want to
classify some finds.
--
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HRK
I am not familiar enough with both machines to make a judjement on which one
is better but the franklin display some features that seem interesting:
apple dos 3.3 compatibility, floating point basic, apparently could run CP/M
or Pascal (OS?)(not much info on that), programmable function keysimpressive
display capabilities (16 colors at 560 x 192), built in parallel and serial
interfaces and memory expandable up to 576K.
Compare that to the Apple IIe or IIc. The memory extension and RGB interface
cards are optional (128K and 80 column color?)
It's hard to tell what the exact caracteristics are the users manual keep
refering to the technical manual that I don't have.
Francois
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From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Franklin Ace 2100
>
>
>
>
>Better means any feature that would bias one towards one computer
>versus another. Did it include a z80, by any chance? On the back
>of this machine, there were some slot covers; did it take standard
>apple cards?
>>
>>I haven't tasted them yet ;)
>>
>>
>>I don't really know yet. I would believe that they added some features
>but
>>how would you define "better", more reliable, faster, bigger software
>>library?
>>All I can do is look at the specs and compare the two.
>>
>>Francois
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< I have a couple of 29s for sale, several plugs and a copy of the manual.
< anyone is interested.
< Paxton
What kind of price is attached to one?
Allison
A computer museum in The Netherlands is looking for the documentation for
a Kennedy 9300 tape drive. I'm sure someone on this list has that.
http://www.wins.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/wanted.html
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>I realized something, even if I do get this working, I'm going to need to
>partition one of the ESDI hard drives since they are to big for RT-11,
>according to the WQESD controllers documentation the partitions need to be
>30Mb or smaller. My smallest ESDI drive is 150Mb.
>How do I go about partitioning the drives? Unfortunatly my Doc set is for
>V3, so I can't RTFM on this one.
Since you've got a WQESD, you've got two choices with respect to
partitioning:
1: Hardware partitioning.
Partition your 150 Mbyte drive into multiple 65536-blocks drive
through the WQESD firmware. You don't need to do a reformat from
scratch; just redefine the disk structure and write it to disk.
2: Software partitioning.
Partition from RT-11. Assuming your drive is at LUN 0, you
already have the default mappings SET DU0:UNIT=0 and SET DU0:PART=0.
The "UNIT" refers to the MSCP LUN of the drive, and the PART
refers to the software partition number.
Map DU1: to be the second logical partition on the first MSCP
LUN with SET DU1:UNIT=0 followed by SET DU1:PART=1.
Continue on up until you've used up all the disk. Each PART
refers to a logical partition on disk, each of which is 65536
blocks long (except for the last one, which is whatever is left
over.) Of course, only the first 65535 blocks of each partition
are directly usable, given RT-11's block numbering scheme.
SHOW DEV:DU will show you the current partitioning.
Keep in mind that if DU is your system disk, you'll have to do
a reboot to reload the driver with the "new" partition settings
before they'll go into effect. (You wouldn't believe the number
of RT-11 5.7 field test sites who complained "partitioning doesn't
work" when they simply failed to reboot after the SET DU's! This
has been in the manuals for over a decade!) After rebooting, INIT
DU1:, etc., and away you go!
Since you *do* have the WQESD, I heavily recommend that you do your
partitioning at the WQESD level and not at the RT-11 level. This way
all your partitions will be hardware bootable. If you do the
partitioning through RT-11, the resulting logical partitions won't
be hardware bootable.
A neat tool (hey, I wrote it, I think it's neat) for looking at MSCP-
level stuff under RT-11 is the DUSTAT program, available from
ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/rt/dusta…
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>I realized something, even if I do get this working, I'm going to need to
>partition one of the ESDI hard drives since they are to big for RT-11,
>according to the WQESD controllers documentation the partitions need to
>be 30Mb or smaller. My smallest ESDI drive is 150Mb.
By default, if your disk is larger than 65535 blocks, the physical unit
numbers for the DU device map to partition zero (0-65534) of the
selected physical unit. If you want to map another unit of the DU
handler to another partition, you issue the command:
SET DUn UNIT=m part=p
where 'n' is the RT-11 unit number, 'm' is the physical unit number in
your MSCP configuration, and 'p' is the partition number (starting at
zero).
For example, say I have an RQDX3 with an RD54 (169mb) and an RX50
(dual drive):
DU0 = Partition zero (0-65534) on phys unit 0 (rd54)
DU1 = First of the RX50 drives
DU2 = Second of the RX50 drives
If I want address more of the RD54, I can do the following:
DU0 = Partition zero (0-65534) on phys unit 0 (rd54)
DU1 = First of the RX50 drives
DU2 = Second of the RX50 drives
DU3 = unassigned
DU4 = Partition one on phys unit 0
(set du4 unit=0 part=1)
DU5 = Partition two on phys unit 0
(set du5 unit=0 part=2)
DU6 = Partition three on phys unit 0
(set du6 unit=0 part=3)
DU7 = Partition four on phys unit 0
(set du7 unit=0 part=4)
This is, in fact, how many partitions you would get on an RD54. All
of the partitions except the last one will be full 65535 block units.
The last one is about 7k blocks.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
p.s. I forgot... after doing all these SET commands, you'll have to
reboot for them to take affect.
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I checked the storeroom at school today to discover that all the old
Tandy equipment (which had collected dust there for 2 years) has been
disposed of. Not even a keyboard left. All I could find is an
assortment of Apple II GSes, drives, Imagewriters etc & a few old Mac
LCs.
Sorry, I remember those old Tandys - 2 labs worth. (used 86-96). They
even had an Apple Emulation card (Trackstar) since at that time no one
in education could imagine using anything besides an Apple.
Eileen
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Looks like the Albuqurque Altairs are coming
out of the woodwork. There is now a 680 and
a 680b to go with the 8800bt.
If anyone was monitoring the auction of the
680 a couple of weeks ago which did not meet the reserve
price of $2500 - thought you might be interested
to know that it was bought by a buyer in Italy
after the auction. The purchaser bought it only
to trade for an original 8800 which he has done.
It will be interesting to see what happens with
these 680's currently up for auction. It appears
that the eBay bidders are not very aware of the
scarcity of the 680 and are consumed by the hype
surrounding the 8800.
Bob Wood
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I realized something, even if I do get this working, I'm going to need to
partition one of the ESDI hard drives since they are to big for RT-11,
according to the WQESD controllers documentation the partitions need to be
30Mb or smaller. My smallest ESDI drive is 150Mb.
How do I go about partitioning the drives? Unfortunatly my Doc set is for
V3, so I can't RTFM on this one.
Zane
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