- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by franke＠sbs.de

>> Jim about his Intellec/Altair thing. For shure, the Intellec is a >> nice thing, but everybody just looks at the Altair. > Except me :-). As I've mentioned before, years ago I was offered the > choice between an Altair and an Intellec MCS8i (8080 CPU) and I picked > the Intellec. It looked to be the much more interesting machine. :) lucky one. I would love to get the Intellec, but I still have to work 9 to 5 for my money ... or better for tax paying :) So anything beside lets say 350 USD per month isn't possible for me. Gruss H. So, I hope I recive a lot of cheques from all of you, who are just cry about my bad situation and like to help a poor guy :)))))) Hey, at least I can try ! -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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DOS disks?

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Any PC (IBM) or MS-DOS as far as I know, although I'd try MS-DOS 3.2 or 3.3.... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: DOS disks? Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 10/27/98 1:51 PM Weeeeeeeell, I landed a Data General One laptop. Normally I eschew MS-DOS based machines, simply because I'm a racist pig etc., but this one has an interesting notebook mode and a built-in terminal program at 1200bps. Except that the screen is harder to read than James Joyce, it seems like a winner and it works great. Question. Anyone know what version of DOS this uses? Does someone have any boot disks out there, or at least have the system files available for download? The drives are 3.5" DD, right? Thanks much, -- -------------------------- personal page: http://calvin.ptloma.edu/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser Information Technology Services Database Programmer Point Loma Nazarene University Fax: +1 619 849 2581 ckaiser(a)ptloma.edu Phone: +1 619 849 2539 -- TRUE HEADLINE: Police To Begin Campaign To Run Down Jaywalkers ------------- ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Oct27.135124.1767.73039; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:51:25 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id KAA18163; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:49:02 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id KAA15072 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:48:57 -0800 Received: from oa.ptloma.edu (oa.ptloma.edu [192.147.249.102]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA06 884 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:47:47 -0800 Received: (from ckaiser@localhost) by oa.ptloma.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA13158 for classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:52:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199810271852.LAA13158(a)oa.ptloma.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:52:23 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Cameron Kaiser <ckaiser(a)oa.ptloma.edu> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: DOS disks? Content-Type: text X-Sender: ckaiser(a)ptloma.edu X-Sender: ckaiser(a)ptloma.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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by mtapley＠swri.edu

Tim wrote: >Hint for those who haven't done much dumpster diving: back your car >or truck up to the dumpster, climb into the dumpster via your rear >bumper, and start tossing :-). In addition to giving you an easier climb, that also blocks the dumpster so that the trash truck can't get to it. Y'all be *careful* out there. I do *not* want to read about a compacted classic computer collector with his compacted hands clenched around a compacted Altair. Or even a Rainbow. - Mark

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I hit the jackpot - if I can store the stuff

by mbg＠world.std.com

I found a person getting rid of a a couple of H960 tall cabs worth of DEC hardware -- and I'm the first one to have contacted him. I can take it all away... If I can find a place to store it (without having to completely reorganize the insides of my condo... I've got a call into RCS/RI for some space)... anyway, what I can get is an 11/34 (unknown condition) with a VT11, VR14 (and light pen) and an LPS11, as well as four (4) pdp-8s of various types with various media... !!! A pdp-8/a A pdp-8/e A pdp-8/f (the lab-8) another -8, I think it was an 8/m A couple of RL02s, Diablo style rk05s, rx01, dectapes... all in two tall cabs and a short cab. I don't want to let this one get away from me, so if I don't hear from RCS/RI, I may just have to compress (gzip) my condo... :-) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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by franke＠sbs.de

> > > We disagree here, as I still think it is a lot of fun. As far as the chance > > > of ending up with it, it is exactly what you are willing to pay for it. > > Like that guy who just bought the 1200XL on eBay for $600... > Evolution works. Depending on his age, either his parents or his > wife will kill him, a drop of chlorine in the gene pool. BTW, has anybody still the URL ? Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Microvaxen bits etc.

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Daniel T. Burrows <dburrows(a)netpath.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, 27 October 1998 1:35 Subject: Re: Microvaxen bits etc. >For your ref. the delqa is a M7516 and add -YM for the "turbo" version. I >just checked the DDA for any listed in Australia and none are listed. If >you want I will go through the subscriber list and find some for you. DDA? Ok, thanks. Appreciated. >>While I'm at it, AUI-10Base2(or t) transceivers are also getting rare, >>(around here anyway) since I have a Vax 6220 in need as well, any good >>sources? >>S/H preferred. I'd like 2 or 3 if possible. > > >I know it doesn't help much for shipping concerns but Datacom Warehouse >carries them for about $25 either 10base2 or 10baset. www.warehouse.com Not much. That equates to about A$50 plus shipping across the Pacific. But if all else fails. I am led to believe I can get a new one for about A$75 or so, but I need to confirm this. That's more than I wanted to pay, but I may not have a choice. >>BTW, Huw, did you ever come across a source for a Vax 8530-Console cable? >>(With that subject line, I just know you'll read this!) > >Which console cable are you looking for? I may have one. The multiplex cable with 2 d connectors at each end that go from the DEC Pro380 Vaxconsole to the backplane of the VAX 85xx series of computers. (Nautilus I think is the processor family) Thanks Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au (my other life)

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by franke＠sbs.de

>>> We disagree here, as I still think it is a lot of fun. As far as the chance >>> of ending up with it, it is exactly what you are willing to pay for it. >> Like that guy who just bought the 1200XL on eBay for $600... > Evolution works. Depending on his age, either his parents or his > wife will kill him, a drop of chlorine in the gene pool. Maybe we could get a life transmission ? After all, its a real internet thing in the internet age, by internet stupidity. :) H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Washington DC area vintage sources (was RE:ebay)

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>process. (except what you are willing to dumpster dive for) Not that I >would ever do such a thing.:) ( I have made several thousand from such dives >over the years) So have I - several of the RSX-11 DECUS tapes that are now available from ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11 were rescued from TRIUMF when they dumped all the 9-tracks they had in the Chem Annex. Hint for those who haven't done much dumpster diving: back your car or truck up to the dumpster, climb into the dumpster via your rear bumper, and start tossing :-). Tim.

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by franke＠sbs.de

>>> 1. Bid more than anybody else through proxy bidding. This way when >>> somebody else bids, the system will bid you up (to your max) automatically >>> when someone else bids. If you want it bad enough, you can get it, but >>> it may cost you. >> Jep, but to be shure, it has to be high, real high :( > As high as $12,000? Only to have someone bid $12,100? Hey, if somebody outbids me that way on a KIM-1 - Gee, best wishes to the seller :) Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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by franke＠sbs.de

> It isn't such a great price. HUD Economists really ought to study a > bit of economics (though I realize Economists don't set Economic > policy -- that's done by elected and appointed officials who wouldn't > know economics even when it bites them in the ass). Hey, whats this for a new kind of tecnology ? 'Elected officials' that are bitten by economy ? Get real, they have our taxes to avoide any complication with reality! They are so deeply pampered, they wouldn't even notice it if their campain manager wouldn't tell them that there is a thing calld bad economic situation. We had now for more almost 20 years a fat (right of the middle) gouvernment that cared a lot about the economy - especialy their personal one. Gruss H. (Do I get a bonus point for enhanced off topic rage ?) -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Dolphin (was Re: ebay)

by david_a._vandenbroucke＠hud.gov

>Dauphin ? You're not talkin about the Dolphin ? >A kit system from the late 70's from Swizzerland ? No, I'm talking about the Dauphin DTR-1, a cute little 486-powered, pen-and-keyboard-capable portable computer. The "DTR" stands for "desktop replacement," which was overpromising a bit. As far as I know, there was no "DTR-2." Dav Vandenbroucke Economist U.S. Dept. HUD david_a._vandenbroucke(a)hud.gov

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by david_a._vandenbroucke＠hud.gov

Bill Richman (bill_r(a)inetnebr.com) says >Yeah, but it's *such* a pisser when the sniping twit gets it for your maximum plus 50 >cents!! Like you'd say "Golly - I *really* want that Altair that's autographed by the >original designers, and I'll pay $5,550 for it, but not $5,550.50!" I know I'm *way* too >good at convincing myself that my original bid was too low... And then there's always the >"Oh yeah??? Well screw _you_ buddy - take THI$$$$$!" mindset that has led me to establish >new records for ridiculous prices on eBay... (But I _did_ get the item, dammit!! ;-) One must cultivate serenity and patience if one is to participate in auctions, oh Grasshopper. On the other hand, I just got a NEC 8201 (TRS-80 Model 100 clone) for only $36.00. (If this isn't such a great price, please dont' tell me. It will interfere with my serenity and patience.) Dav Vandenbroucke Economist U.S. Dept. HUD david_a._vandenbroucke(a)hud.gov

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Y2K and immortal executables

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

But aren't there many machines that keep track of time and date? I've heard that credit cards are starting to fail if their expiration date is 2000. I don't know why all the fuss about the control tower computers or power plants (all scheduling should be doublechecked by humans anyway), but I'm sure there may be problems with checks/bills. >< >with in 1975, still running the same code. >< >< Sure, I can imagine that. But I can't imagine it will stop working >< on January 1, 2000, or that the clock couldn't be set back to 1975 >< without affecting the milling. > >Correction, what clock? Most control apps clocks are intervals, time >between events, maybe time of day or week for longer periods and its >rare that they even consider time of year. > >Keep in mind that until sometime past 1981ish clocks were not chips that >kept time of day/year. Of ten they were a periodic interrupt that was >totalized for time and date. So if the clock was broken it was software >not hardware. > >The one example where Y2K has hit a PDP-8 use was a nuke power plant >and the PDP-8 doing data logging had to print the right time date on >the page. If the time and date were wrong nothing stopped working >but the NRC would be upset with the dataing of the logs. FYI: Y2K >happens to hit every 7-8 years on PDP-8 OSs as they only use 3bits for >relative year. Bits used to be expensive! > >< If the source code has existed in some form since the late 50s or >< early 60s, no programmer since its creation has tinkered with it? >< I can imagine a slightly more plausible situation in which the source >< was written in 1961, recompiled and tweaked throughout the Sixties, >< and somehow the source was lost after recompilation in the Seventies >< so only the executable remains, and that it's been running in some > >This is likely the commonplace event and the machine by the 70s was >stable platform say like DG Nova, PDP-11 or other that has a lifespan >exceeding 10+ years or still being made. > >Lost in some cases means it exists and somewhere on a backup that is >in a room with 10,000 tapes of other backups that no one has looked >at for 7+ years. > >Heck my vax archive is over 7 years old and is more than 20 TK50s. I >don't recycle major backups as I've had tapes fail. So the deeper the >archive the less likely the loss and also harder to find a specific >item. This is only hobby use. business should do this far more often. > >< It's not that I'm denying Y2K - it's that I think it's overblown, >< especially when it comes to antique computers. > >Me too. Many system Y2K is a singular event or non event. The only >ones I even think about in relation to it are the PCs and maybe the >VAXen (I run VMS 5.3 to 5.5). The PDP-11s may not like the date but >most of the stuuff I do is not date centric so unless the OS breaks it >keeps cranking. The PC makes me worry as DOS/Win and internetorking >software may have bombs I don't know nor can fix myself. I've bumped the >clock and it seems to behave though. > >Allison > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Noise levels increasing and have become deafening

by franke＠sbs.de

> Well this list used to be good, now it has degenerated into 80%+ noise. depends - I'll like it more every day. > I joined the list some time ago because it was a means to get information > about some of the old computers I have collected, hardware and software > wise. This list no longer serves that purpose. Depends waht you think information is - if it's just about some date, most searchbots will give you faster information (heaps). But if its about living knowledge the list is great. I'm talking to people, not a database - and the asociative search engine here delivers very interesting, related things beside just numbers. In fact, most of all questions I ever had to get information of a special kind from the listended up nowhere, but I recived _very_ interesting implications about the information I needed (And I'm still searching for a second Commodore B500 and who owns the ROM rights on the KIM-1). > What does a 64 bit Z80 have to do with old computers It's an idea with some relations to the past (you know, the good old times) wich imples a lot about fundamental things. And if People are arguing about, it can't be realy OT (even I belive it was just a troll). > What does gripes about EBay have to do about old computers Now come on - where you living ? eBay is a mayor place for trade of our old stuff. Hey, this is on topic as on topic can ever be. That are actual problems of collecting. > What does a modern college education have to do with old computers See the fist one - just a good old time thing - AND a never ending question if we are the last generation able to build a computer from scratch, even including the CPU. > I have been watching closely what has been comming though and I have found > that by just looking at the heading I trash 95% of all messages, spot > checks have shown me that there is nothing worth while reading. Reading just the headers is missleading - very missleading. I did it sometimes, especialy when they where talking about DEC stuff, where I have no personal link, even no information about, and before I even realized I passed some _very_ interesting themes - nobody can reflect complex things in just a header. I've learned my lesson - now I peek at least inside _every_ message. > Go back and re-read what this list was supposed to be about. Hmm ever noticed that the FAQ is very vague about it ? Maybe because a living list was intendet, not a list where no talks at all are happening, because nobody is able to say soooo important things that the holy charter will grant him the right to post ? > 99% of useful information I now get is off other peoples web sites. Good for you. Single source information is always bad. Gruss H. I beg for excuse for some cynic parts, but I cant withstand my nature, especialy when its abaut regualtions. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Dolphin (was Re: ebay)

by franke＠sbs.de

>>Dauphin ? You're not talkin about the Dolphin ? >>A kit system from the late 70's from Swizzerland ? > No, I'm talking about the Dauphin DTR-1, a cute little 486-powered, > pen-and-keyboard-capable portable computer. The "DTR" stands for > "desktop replacement," which was overpromising a bit. As far as I > know, there was no "DTR-2." One more for the I-Want-Them-All list. :) H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Dumpster Diving was Re: Washington DC area vintage sources (was RE:ebay)

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

> At 10:00 AM 10/27/98 -0000, you wrote: >>Sam wrote: >>> But I ended up getting a visit from my friendly >>> neighborhood police. It seems some local concerned citizen saw me pulling >>> out all sorts of computer gear from the trash and decided something evil >>> was being perpetrated. Go figure. >> >>What did the police have to say about it? >> >>At what point does the contents of the dumpster become publicly available? >>I imagine that this might be a different point than the one at which police >>are aloud to search for evidence, but IANAL. > > I know a couple of guys that dumpster dive nearly every night. The > police have pulled them over numerous times. They usually check them and > their stuff then let them go. Sometimes they tell them to leave but that's > all. They've never been taken in or arrested. FWIW There was a court case > (supreme court?) some years ago that involved the police searching trash > cans for evidence. The court ruled that stuff thrown into the trash and and > placed on the public right of way (street) for pickup was publicly > available and no longer private property. Of course, many commercial trash > dumpsters are still located on company property so this may have no bearing. I don't know what the law is in the UK regarding dustbins (trashcans) but regarding skips (dumpsters) it is something like: Person X makes a contract with a waste disposal contractor Y. Y delivers a skip to X's premises, and probably leaves it in the road (at precisely the worst place for motorists trying to get around it :-) ). X throws stuff into the skip, but it remains X's property, and to pull it out is theft. Eventually X has thrown in all he wants and phones up Y to collect the skip. When Y does, the stuff in the skip becomes Y's property. At work, I used to skip-dive a lot. I was once told that I was breaking the law because I had removed a Superbrain from the skip. Not so - I am a PowerGen employee; the item was PowerGen property, and I hadn't removed it >from the PowerGen site; I actually offered L15 for it, since that is what I thought it was worth. However, skip-diving is now officially banned. I have been quite strongly warned off several times, once for just looking at the skip! The warnings came from quite high up, passed down through my boss. They claim there is a policy by which items are offered to staff before disposal. Some stuff (PCs etc.) is offered by competitive tender. Some stuff (Commodore 8296) is offered to me personally for L1. But a lot (incomplete Silicon Graphics Personal Iris) just goes in the skip anyway. I don't know how much goes in the skip - I don't go there very often now :-( - but I just happened to be walking past and saw the Iris :-( :-( Philip.

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64bit data 128Bit address...Re: Building a Z-80 (64bit!

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

>> I therefore see address buses growing at 16 bits every 30 years. That's >> just over a bit every 2 years - slower than I expected but not much. >> Someone (I forget who) said that memory chips double in capacity every 18 >> months. This would give 16 bits in 24 years. > > Interesting szenario, especialy when connected to the Mores Law > (didn't he tell this regarding integration ?). Thanks. That's the one I'm thinking of - the amount of memory you get on the same area of silicon doubles every 18 months. Apply it to the memory sizes of computers and it seems to work: in 1974 a small computer was a PDP-11/05 with perhaps 16 K bytes of memory (up to 56 K if you were lucky, IIRC). 24 years later = 16 * 18 months, a small computer is a pentiyuck PC with rather less than 2^^16 * 16 K = 1 gigabyte, but not that much less. A computer in the same market slot as the 11/05 is perhaps a Sparcstation, in which a gig of memory is by no means out of the question... > Hmm I will have my 88th by then - jets join :) Your place or mine? :-) :-) Philip.

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Commodore 128D

by maxeskin＠www.hotmail.com

Well, it's been about two months, and I still haven't started on the C128D that Hans gave me (sorry, Hans!). Could someone please post the PSU pinouts for it (this is the one with an internal PSU)? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Dolphin (was Re: ebay)

by franke＠sbs.de

> Does Stephen own a Dauphin? I don't think they're quite old enough > for the "classic" definition. Dauphin ? You're not talkin about the Dolphin ? A kit system from the late 70's from Swizzerland ? Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Haggle Online (Was: ePay)

by franke＠sbs.de

>> Jep. If not eBay, maybe another system will pick up the idea. >> This could maybe give em the right difference for competition. > I wish it were this simple. eBay already has the reputation among > "collectors" (I use that term to include the speculators and idiots as > well) as being THE place to go to sell and buy vintage computers. I'd > much rather this place be Haggle Online since that site has a specific > "Antique Computers" listing (http://www.haggle.com/cache/cat43.html). > Someone has to come along and actively market their site as THE place to > buy/sell vintage computers, and then institute a good auction policy that > will cut down on the gripes we are hearing here. I don't think that 'marketing' is the most needed. It needs some different details to get more attention. The Antique Computer colume is one step - also keeping the theme (dash out OT). But there is still this anoying min bid thing and the sniper possibility (althrough I haven't seen any special Haggle sniping SW until now). Why I'm aginst min bids ? Now, first it prevents from giving a bin in an amount I think is reasonable. Second, thru canceling this maybe very low bid, it avoids any bidding competition wich eventualy will rise the price above ana limit. For an example there is an actual SX-64 on Haggle with an min bid of 75 USD and no bid from any of the more than 30 visitors. When comparing to eBay, where SXes are sold for something like 70 to 120 USD the price idea isn't wrong, but nobody jumps in. While on eBay such a SX starts at some 10 USD and rises. In fact, until now the minbid has disatracted me from at least 5 items. I maybe would have end at a price above the min bid, within the auction, but for shure to expensive to start with. The reserved price thing, where the seller reserves the richt to refuses if a specific price isn't reached is a lot more usefull. No seller will claim his reserved price if the auction ends just 5 USD below, but at least a price is negotiated. The only thing I dislike is the automatic lift to the reserve, if the _maximum_ bid is above. > I'm ready to start if someone is willing to follow my lead. Oh master, be my leader (Or was it Heil Salaam?). SCNR. For real, I look at Haggle Online at least twice a week, but as long as I cant't go for what I need, I have still to stay at eBay. Gruss Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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by franke＠sbs.de

> Rather than looking at sniping as a "bug", perhaps it should be > considered a "feature". There are scavengers in all ecosystems. I > guarantee you the powers at Ebay probably consider sniping to be an > asset. If they got rid of it, bid traffic would be 20 or 30% lower and > prices overall (complete total) might actually be lower. Perhaps sniping > is one of those key reasons why Ebay has grown so large. Please ? The whole idea of sniping is just to avoide a real competition situation. In fact, it may lower the price of all 'needed' goods, because nobody will get a chance to top the sniper. So a final price might have been higher. And bid traffic isn't a thing a auction system like eBay need - Traffic is just cost to pay and lowers profit. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Microvaxen bits etc.

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>DDA? Ok, thanks. Appreciated. The DDA Trader is a monthly publication for used DEC dealers listing what parts they have and prices. I can't afford the approx.$100 per month but have some friends that send me their 1 or 2 month old ones. It also has about a 75 page section listing all the subscribers names and locations (30+ per page) sorted alphabetically by name of course not location. Let me know if you can't find something (I noticed a good response later in this tread) and I will see what I can find. Dan Burrows dburrows(a)netpath.net

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Dumpster Diving was Re: Washington DC area vintage sources (was RE:ebay)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

you might want to ask the regulars over in alt.dumpster about this. seems some of them on that ng have gotten hassled by The Man when they were dd'ing and even charged with criminal mischief depending on the cop's mood. david In a message dated 10/27/98 7:41:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > I know a couple of guys that dumpster dive nearly every night. The > police have pulled them over numerous times. They usually check them and > their stuff then let them go. Sometimes they tell them to leave but that's > all. They've never been taken in or arrested. FWIW There was a court case > (supreme court?) some years ago that involved the police searching trash > cans for evidence. The court ruled that stuff thrown into the trash and and > placed on the public right of way (street) for pickup was publicly > available and no longer private property. Of course, many commercial trash > dumpsters are still located on company property so this may have no bearing.

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Fairchild Channel F

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Hi all, It's been claimed.... Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon/ -----Original Message----- From: Francois <fauradon(a)pclink.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, October 24, 1998 5:46 PM Subject: Fairchild Channel F >Hi, >I finally got around to going to the thrift store and picked up that Channel >F. >It cost me $10 and has Carts number 12 Baseball and 16 Dodge it. >Whoever wanted it please respond to fauradon(a)pclink.com > > >Francois >------------------------------------------------------------- >Visit the desperately in need of update >Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon/ >

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Now quite OT: Re: ePay

by franke＠sbs.de

>> I would prefere the last one, because it would reflect the >> idea of proxy bidding - bid once and let the eBay do its job. > I personally *hate* the proxy bid idea. At least how it works on eBay. > There's not many things as demoralizing than seeing something nifty with a > bid of $2.00 on it and someone has put a maximum bid of $50.00 on it. The > whole fun of an incremental auction is the small jumps in bidding and that > soul-searching question you have to ask yourself each time you're outbid: > "Do I really want to go a buck higher on that [insert item here]?" Shure, real auctions are real fun, but a proxy auction is the closest thing possible without going for a sealed bid auction, since it combines both for the well of the buyer. > What I'd love to see is a live auction site, where the auctions for each > item don't last more than 10 minutes or so. Descriptions/pictures for the > items could be on a separate server a week in advance (like the preview > for a real auction) and an item catalog that people could print out. Just for my information - are you willing to put up an pay my private line to this auction centre ? At the usual afternoon to midnight traffic jam on the trans atlantic conections, I sometines need four or five minutes to reload an eBay page. Gruss H. Kai mentioned Haggle online (I still laugh at the lit'l characters:), but as long as they still only do the same (including suporting this stupid minimum bid thing - where is the sense of a min bid beside avoide getting sold?) as eBay, I belive they woun't go for number one. Just putting up a good category isn't enough (even if he would enshure that less noise is inside Antique Computers). -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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by david_a._vandenbroucke＠hud.gov

Stephen Dauphin >There was a recent discussion on the list of being dropped on a desert island and >establishing civilization. I say we parachute Sam in his underpants with a knife and a >compass into some podunk in the Midwest, and see how fast he comes up with a Vintage >Computer Festival, even the size of the first, from scratch. Podunk Junction happens to be in central Iowa. I could steer Sam to someone I know near there who has two Kaypro 10s and a Kaypro letter quality printer, which will get him started. Does Stephen own a Dauphin? I don't think they're quite old enough for the "classic" definition. --Dav david_a._vandenbroucke(a)hud.gov

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by fauradon＠pclink.com

Hi, Have you ever seen those shipping cardboard floppy mockup that you usually get with a new drive? That would be the ideal. Short of that you could probably make your own with rigid but non-abrasive carboard, use a floppy as a template and off you go... Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon/ -----Original Message----- From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com <SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 9:15 PM Subject: floppy drive storage >I have about 27 apple floppy drives as well as other floppy based machines and >am wondering about their long term storage. is it better to close the drive's >latch or leave it unlatched? i would think that having the drive latched/door >closed would keep the drive from possibly getting misaligned if it got moved >or bumped around but on the other hand, having the drive closed for long >periods of time could possibly deform the head load pad. comments? > >david >

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I hit the jackpot - if I can store the stuff

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I'd be happy to store the 8/e for you, you could visit it any time you >were in California! Yeah, right... :-) Thanks for the offer... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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16 Exabytes storrage (was: 64bit data 128Bit address...Re: Build

by franke＠sbs.de

>> The size isn't the real problem - you already get 16 Gig in less >> than 320 cm^3 (using hard disk technology) which is more than >> 100 Meg per cm^3, which gives us 100x100x100x100 Meg or 100 Tera >> per m^3 (Only heat will be a problem, but if we assume that this >> will shrink by the factor 2 within the next few years, we get >> enough space for cooling without developing a new technology). >> 100 Tera are 100x2^40 Bytes so, for 16 exabytes you need >> 10x2^18 m^3 or 64x64x64x10 m^3 - just the size of a ordinary >> 160 store skyscraper. Nothing real big - isn't it? - and especialy >> not a mountain. and if we assume a increasing density by 10 within >> the next years, it is less than a warehouse. >> (I just left the disc acces time out of calculation, but acording >> to any information availabel from disk manufacturers the internal >> caches will eliminate this almost to zero :) > Not so... > We can have 1 Terabytes now. > Seagate just announced their new drives in 3.5" I think in 50GB. > Use 20 of them and still fit in 1 minicomputer box. Just anounced ... hmm ok, will be availabel next year. So lets see 1 Tera in a minicomputer box ? Lets take the size of my minitower beside my desk (latest series SIEMENS Pro M7) its 20x46x44cm or 40.480 cm^3 (I cut off some plastic parts and the sidedes to lower the size and we ignore the need of power cables) lets say 40.000 cm^3 that gives us 25 units per m^3 (1 m^3 = 1.000.000 cm^3) - still four times more tan in my last experiment. Remember I never said 1 Tera is out of reach the mainframe I'm working on has a bit more than just a Tera as disk storrage. It's just about how to get 16 Exas of address space filled with minimum size requirements. Ok, but we can continue to use the Barracuda 50 as a known base for calculation. It will be a full height 3 1/2" drive thats 42x102x147 mm^3 or 629,748 cm^3. since this drive still radiates some 20W of heat, we still need cooling, but as in my first example we just double the space to add high eficient cooling (and cables and montage space) so we get some 1260 cm^3 now again packing it to the m^3 gives us 793 units - lets say 800 for easy calculation which gives us exactly 50x800 = 40.000 Meg or 40 Tera. I think we have still two years or so to wait before geting our 100 Tera per m^3... And for the price, the Baracuda 50 is anounced at USD 2.100, so 800 drives are just USD 1.620.000. Well I think we could get som off from Segate, if we sell more of our Storrage Meters ((c) ClassicCmp) :))) > And can be run > off the 15A 115VAC or two plus the computer iteslf. :) Didn't I say anything about power requirements ? And please just show me one drive (from today!) that is just connected to 115V (or 230V). We need a 5/12V DC supply with about 20W per drive (~6W at 5V and 14W at 12V with 30W peak). So 800 drives are somewhat like 16 kW so lets get 20 kW and regarding this, we just cant use 115 V even 400 V 3L~ will be kind of stressed :). And at our 12V line we get a current up to 1800 A peak or 700 A idle wich leads us to a copper rail of some 20 cm^2 to get a load of less than 100A per cm^2 (for US imaginations thats 3x1" solid copper) for the main supply line. And a second one will be needed for 5V and ground. Maybe we take silver (real cheap right now) so we could halve the size :) Oh, and a power supply of this capacity would be almost the same size than our Storage Meter (c), so we have to half the capacity, or just don't tell te customers that we need dubble the proposed space just to fire it up. All calculations ar rough estimation based on actual 10 Gig drives. Real proportions are not used to simplify calcualtion. Servus hans P.S.: it feels good to think of copper in cm^2 instead of fine line wire... -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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by david_a._vandenbroucke＠hud.gov

I've taken the position that I'm going to deliberately ignore the snipers. I usually bid on the first day listed. I ask myself, "What is the maximum I'm _really_ willing to pay for this?" and that's what I bid. I get outbid on the last day (I don't track it more closely than that) fairly often, but it means that the high bidder is paying more than I would, and I can't argue with that. As often as not, when I'm outbid, my disappointment is tinged with relief: "Did I really bid _that_ much? What was I thinking of?" On the whole, I find it liberating to just bid my maximum and let the chips fall where they may. Dav Vandenbroucke Economist U.S. Dept. HUD david_a._vandenbroucke(a)hud.gov

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by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>Anyway, this isn't hard. Its just a matter of moving all the action off >of eBay to somewhere more worthy. If everyone here (I know a lot of >you are still foolish enough to play eBay) would agree to an alternate >location that is perhaps built BY us, then we could lure away all the >other people who aren't on this list eventually and create the premier >vintage computer auction house on the web. Eventually, when this stuff >REALLY becomes valuable, we'll have a virtual stranglehold on the vintage >computer auction market. Wow. Perhaps its time to incorporate ClassicCmp. ;-) Kai just mentioned the owner of Haggle is a member of ClassicCmp (who?). And his creation of an "Antique Computer" section obviously shows he's interested. I'd also be willing to wager there isn't a larger, better organized group of computer collectors than on ClassicCmp. With some active endorsement from ClassicCmp members, and increased support for classic computers by Haggle, I think we'd be off to an excellent start. Tom -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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Microvaxen bits etc.

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Huw Davies <H.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, 27 October 1998 18:05 Subject: Re: Microvaxen bits etc. >I think this is just off topic (less than 10 years) but.... Hmmm, well, the date on the 2nd 6310 is 1989, so I guess it's a couple months early. >We have a 6530 with the same problem. I just ignore the errors and boot the >system anyway. The only drawback is that the system will not autorestart >from a power failure. Hmm, I wondered about that, I rather thought the o/s might not care, I'll have a look at that approach and see what happens. I don't have any TK70 cartridges at the moment anyway.... (Been having a ball getting ready to transfer all my VMS binary installs >from 1/2" R/R tape to 4mm dat on a Vaxstation in the cluster now that I have a working 1/2" R/R tape system.) The TA78/TU78 that came with the original cluster has a couple of U/S PSU's, so I couldn't even re-install the O/S. Fortunately, I haven't needed to. Come to think of it, I don't actually know how to do an install of VMS to a bare system. Hmm, I wonder where in the grey wall THAT's documented. >I believe the correct approach is what you outlined above. If necessary I >can dig out the appropriate manual. If you mean the Vax 6000 owners manual, I did already. It implies that it does so from the console error messages in Appendix B-9, although the SAVE and RESTORE EEPROM command sections don't actually SAY that it does. Quote from VAX 6000-400 Owners Manual Console 5-37: "Saved information includes: Systemwide console parmeters (baud rate, interleave, terminal characteristics) Saved boot specifications Diagnostic patches Console patches Boot primitives" End Quote I'll give it a go as soon as I get some TK70's. Thanks for that. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

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by H.Davies＠latrobe.edu.au

At 04:43 PM 27-10-98 +1030, Geoff Roberts wrote: >Hmm, you'd know the answer to this, I'm sure. >Mission: >To make our existing 6310 into a 6320 by adding a cpu card from the other >machine. > >Problem: >The ROM is the same (4.1) but the s/n etc have to match for it to >be useable as a 2nd cpu. Will a save of the most recent of the cpu cards >EEPROM data >to the console TK70 and a restore to the other cpu duplicate the serial no? >Or is their some darker art required? I think this is just off topic (less than 10 years) but.... We have a 6530 with the same problem. I just ignore the errors and boot the system anyway. The only drawback is that the system will not autorestart >from a power failure. I believe the correct approach is what you outlined above. If necessary I can dig out the appropriate manual. Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999 La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the Melbourne Australia 3083 | air, the sky would be painted green"

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by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Huw Davies <H.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, 27 October 1998 15:38 Subject: Re: Microvaxen bits etc. >At 06:53 PM 26-10-98 +1030, Geoff Roberts wrote: >My spares cupboard is a good place to start :-) LOL. I should have known. >>BTW, Huw, did you ever come across a source for a Vax 8530-Console cable? > >I think it's in another cupboard in my spares room. It's just behind four >or five 6000 series cabinets, three HSC70s and a few other bits..... Name your price for a DELQA or DELQA-YM and the 8530 console cable. I'd swap you something, but you probably have 3 of everything I have already....:^) Hmm, you'd know the answer to this, I'm sure. Situation: We bought a complete system as spares, a 6310 with DMB-32, KDB-50 & 64mb plus a KLESI-B & TU81+ and 3 x RA90's. Very cheap, from a scrapyard. (I'm currently negotiating for the card fit from a couple of 6440's that turned up at the same place) Mission: To make our existing 6310 into a 6320 by adding a cpu card from the other machine. Problem: The ROM is the same (4.1) but the s/n etc have to match for it to be useable as a 2nd cpu. Will a save of the most recent of the cpu cards EEPROM data to the console TK70 and a restore to the other cpu duplicate the serial no? Or is their some darker art required? TIA. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

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by H.Davies＠latrobe.edu.au

At 06:53 PM 26-10-98 +1030, Geoff Roberts wrote: >Hi all, > >Any Aussies out there know a good place to look for an ethernet adapter >that will fit a Microvax II? I have a nice machine, complete with VMS 5.4, >freshly rescued from a scrap metal yard, but it has no network adapter. My spares cupboard is a good place to start :-) >BTW, Huw, did you ever come across a source for a Vax 8530-Console cable? I think it's in another cupboard in my spares room. It's just behind four or five 6000 series cabinets, three HSC70s and a few other bits..... Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999 La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the Melbourne Australia 3083 | air, the sky would be painted green"

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I have about 27 apple floppy drives as well as other floppy based machines and am wondering about their long term storage. is it better to close the drive's latch or leave it unlatched? i would think that having the drive latched/door closed would keep the drive from possibly getting misaligned if it got moved or bumped around but on the other hand, having the drive closed for long periods of time could possibly deform the head load pad. comments? david

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eBay (aka: ePay, eVay, oyVay, etc...)

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)freegate.com> wrote: ] I'll admit that I am confused about the subtext in Jim's message where he ] writes: ] ] At 10:02 PM 10/25/98 -0800, you wrote: ] >Starting Saturday (perhaps earlier, but the first that I noticed) eBay has ] >been running radio spots on the national syndicate program feeds. ] > ... ] ] It sounds like this is a "bad" thing. Is it? If so why? It would seem that ] eBay is making a market for older computers that before didn't exist. Now ] is it that the 'old timers' who were used to picking up C64's at a garage ] sale for $1 will now have to pay $25 are grumbling? Doesn't this ] potentially increase the value of your own collection many fold? Isn't that ] a good thing? ] ... This is a good thing if you are collecting computers just so that you can sell them later at a profit. For those of us collecting to keep, it means higher expenses and/or fewer acquisitions. Of course, the unhappiness in my acquisitions department is eased by the knowledge that a few machines may be saved from the scrap heap by their sudden increase in value to the guy on the street. So the machines may be more expensive, but in the end there may be more of them available. Win some, lose some. ] --Chuck ] (Who is waiting for his Korg M1 synthesizer to become 'collectible' because ] he gave away an Arp Odessey when he was still clueless...) Bill.

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Computer History

by rax＠warbaby.com

Hi Kiddos - I just finished writing the first draft of the Computer History chapter of the book I'm working on. I've put it up on my site at http://www.warbaby.com/FG_test/comp_history.html - If any of you have the time and are so inclined (it's about 12,000 words), I'd be grateful if you'd take a look at it and let me know if you spot any errors or obvious omissions. It's written for people who know little or nothing about computers, so don't be too harsh with its lack of technical stuff. OTOH, let me know if you think it's readable by the technologically challenged. I'll have the Internet History up by tomorrow, if you're a glutton for punishment. TIA, R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Once you get the nose on, the rest is just makeup.

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Beginning to post "Altair Scans" and PDP-11 docs

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: I began posting my "Altair Scans" to: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/altair_scans.htm You can see from the overall list that there is a lot of info there. Also, I posted some PDP-11 stuff to: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ If anyone has any information to add to the list, let me know. I still have to take an inventory of my docs, but it's about several Xerox boxes worth. Rich Cini/WUGNET - ClubWin!/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Collector of "classic" computers <========= reply separator ==========>

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Noise levels increasing and have become deafening

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I agree. I think sometimes, it's good to get a bit off-topic. Even WAY off topic (sometimes) isn't bad. Just as long as it's not spam, like on the OCH. A break from the ordinary is good. -Jason *********************************************** * Jason Willgruber * * (roblwill(a)usaor.net) * * * * http://members.tripod.com/general_1 * * ICQ#-1730318 * * /0\/0\ * * > Long Live the 5170! * * \___/ * ************************************************ ---------- > From: Bill Richman <bill_r(a)inetnebr.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Noise levels increasing and have become deafening > Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 8:04 PM > > Boo hoo. Personally, I *enjoy* some "chatter" in the group, as long as > it's from people who are into classic computers and the like. As often > as not, I will read a message and think "Y'know - that's exactly what > happened to me/how I feel about that/where I'm at in life," and it feels > good. I hang out in the rec.crafts.metalworking newsgroup a lot, and > you'll never find a group lower in spam or more willing to help anyone > who wanders in, whether it's a question about how to best move a 3,000 > lb lathe or the best snow tires for a Volkswagen. It's like the old > guys who sat by the wood stove playing checkers in old-time hardware > stores, except there are about 500 of them. I've seen this group giving > each other some (occasionally much needed) "attaboys!" and general moral > support, and it's kind of neat. If I want cold, hard facts, I generally > look elsewhere, but if I want to read some personal anecdotes about > classic computers and the lives of those who collect them, I come here. > Relax, have a cup of coffee, and slow down a little. People with tunnel > who demand instant gratification are most of what's wrong with the world > today! >

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by roblwill＠usaor.net

Oh yeah - I forgot about that one. -Jason *********************************************** * Jason Willgruber * * (roblwill(a)usaor.net) * * * * http://members.tripod.com/general_1 * * ICQ#-1730318 * * /0\/0\ * * > Long Live the 5170! * * \___/ * ************************************************ ---------- > From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Noise levels increasing and have become deafening > Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 7:47 PM > > no, i think the one about firearms outdid the throwing up thread... > > In a message dated 10/26/98 7:35:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > roblwill(a)usaor.net writes: > > > Or the one about the drinking Hydrochloric acid and throwing up. Although > > -- that may have been a bit *too* far off-topic.... > > --

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

no, i think the one about firearms outdid the throwing up thread... In a message dated 10/26/98 7:35:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, roblwill(a)usaor.net writes: > Or the one about the drinking Hydrochloric acid and throwing up. Although > -- that may have been a bit *too* far off-topic.... > --

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by franke＠sbs.de

Sigh. I hate it. Sniped just seconds before the end. They should realy change their policy about ending time - these (automatic) snipers are realy not the way it should be. Waaaaaaaaah. Gruss H. sorry to use the list, but I had to cry ... I was happy until 5 minutes ago ... -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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by roblwill＠usaor.net

Or the one about the drinking Hydrochloric acid and throwing up. Although -- that may have been a bit *too* far off-topic.... -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Noise levels increasing and have become deafening > Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 6:33 PM > > > I just want to say that the sort of people that assemble on this list > make almost every discussion interesting _for me_, even if off-topic. > Like the discussion we had way back about telephones. Sure, it's not > on topic, but I think this list is more of a meeting place for old > computer collectors than a natural-language-queryable encyclopedia.

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Washington DC area vintage sources (was RE:ebay)

by dburrows＠netpath.net

So I corrupted you? I have just learned to keep my eyes open for all University surplus stores. You just are lucky enough to have them sell over the counter. Down here everything has to go through the state sealed bid process. (except what you are willing to dumpster dive for) Not that I would ever do such a thing.:) ( I have made several thousand from such dives over the years) Also Tim be sure to check their dumpsters routinely. They are very bad about dumping good stuff. Dan > http://www.inform.umd.edu/PURCHASE/terptrad/ > >They usually have a good assortment of workstations and PC's >in the showroom, and they often have some interesting >scientific and test equipment as well. (Thanks to Dan Burrows >for taking me to this place the first time!) >

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BOFH

by roblwill＠usaor.net

O.K. After 5:00, it started working. must have just been a loaded server or something. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: BOFH > Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 11:23 AM > > For sysadmins and everyone with a perverted sense of humor, you might enjoy > this site. A friend of mine turned me onto it a year or so ago, and almost > always puts a smile on my face! The URL is > http://www.networkweek.com/bofh.shtml.

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Noise levels increasing and have become deafening

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I just want to say that the sort of people that assemble on this list make almost every discussion interesting _for me_, even if off-topic. Like the discussion we had way back about telephones. Sure, it's not on topic, but I think this list is more of a meeting place for old computer collectors than a natural-language-queryable encyclopedia. >> What does a 64 bit Z80 have to do with old computers > >Not a helluvabunch. I have to agree with you there... > >> What does gripes about EBay have to do about old computers > >Lots. Many of the rare (and not so rare) machines are being valued out of >our hands. > >> What does a modern college education have to do with old computers > >OK, again, not much. > >> I have been watching closely what has been comming though and I have found >> that by just looking at the heading I trash 95% of all messages, spot >> checks have shown me that there is nothing worth while reading. > >That sounds about right. Horrible s/n on this list, but at least no porn. > >William Donzelli >william(a)ans.net > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Washington DC area vintage sources (was RE:ebay)

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Tim Shoppa seems to do pretty well based out of Bethesda (I have been >tempted >to get up early some Saturday morning and see if I couldn't shadow him >around >and discover his "sources" ;) ). I may be based in Bethesda, but haven't acquired an awful lot from the immediate area - most all the equipment that I use to make my living was acquired on the Left Coast. Of course, I've also been trying to cast off what I don't need, too! Do any of us truly have the problem of "not enough stuff"??? :-). One decent source in the area is the Terrapin Trader, the University of Maryland's surplus outlet in College Park. For more info, see http://www.inform.umd.edu/PURCHASE/terptrad/ They usually have a good assortment of workstations and PC's in the showroom, and they often have some interesting scientific and test equipment as well. (Thanks to Dan Burrows for taking me to this place the first time!) There are some pretty decent "full-line" electronics shops in Beltsville, just a little bit further out than College Park. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

No, the most off-topic thread is 'why dogs lick their balls/Linux', which culminated in the venerable 'irreverence to irrelevance' flamewar to a couple of weeks later. >Some cheese is good hard, but not those that are supposed to be soft. > >Could this be leading to the most off-topic thread this list has ever >seen? > >> eBay is different - a real auctioneer always gives the same >> amount of additional time after teh last Bid - ePay just cuts. > >Not always, especially if there are a great deal of lots. I think Ebay is >half way between an open and sealed auction. > >William Donzelli >william(a)ans.net > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Sony SMC-70

by g＠kurico.com

Recently acquired a Sony SMC-70 (Z-80 based CP/M). At least I think that what it is (was on the bike so I couldn't bring it home today). It is just the unit itself, no docs and _no_ cables. So in general any info about this system would be great. Specifically, I need pinouts for the video (has both db25 B/W and color connectors). Or better yet the actual cable(s) themselves. TIA George P.S. I still have a decwriter III that anyone can have if you come pick it up.

27 years, 9 months

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