- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

there was some previous discussion about nec multisync monitors. believe it or not, i actually found one tossed in the partking lot of an auto parts store. <!> unfortunately, it wont power on. made in 1990 and has XGA plug. anybody want it for free or need parts from it? it has a lot of controls behind a flip down door. no burn-in on the tube amazingly. david

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ebay: Antique UNICAC computer memory planes

by cswiger＠wilma.widomaker.com

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Bill Yakowenko wrote: > ] The amazing lace and tiny rings are long gone now. But the > ] legacy still lives on in the word "stack" and "core memory". Of course the coolest thing about 'core' is it's the original non-volitile memory; you could carry one around with a diag utility already loaded, just plug it in and run. One of the myth's they always told us was they all had to be made by hand - there wasn't a machine that could thread the row/column and sense wires for mass production. Is there any rumor to this truth? Chuck cswiger(a)widomaker.com

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Tek Computer

by jpl15＠netcom.com

I have been offered a Tektronix 3003 box with a 15" Mitsubishi monitor.. it came from a scrap yard via a guy who does movie prop rental, with whom I have a standing order for DEC stuff... wait, what I mean is... oh never mind! :} Is this Tek box of interest to anyone on the List? I have no knowledge of/interest in Tek computers. Cheers John

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Anyone need this? Apollo 8" disks

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I picked up two notebooks full of Apollo (not HP) disks and manuals. One is for C language and the other is Ether Controller, Ether Bridge and TCP/IP, etc. Does anyone need this? If so, I'll consider swaps, if not I'll toss the manuals and reformat the disks for use with my Intel. Joe

27 years, 8 months

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What is a ZVX4?

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I picked up a couple of old CPM disks that are marked "CPM Startup for ZVX4" and "SCS-D07-1". These were made by Sorrento Vally Associates, Sorrento Vally Rd, San Diego and have 1980 and 1982 dates. Does anyone know what kind of system they're for? Joe

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Core planes was: [ebay: Antique]

by hhacker＠gte.net

Fact is, I have seen facilities (by photograph though) in Japan where IBM manufactured core planes, by hand. The pictures probably came from the early '60s but, they clearly show ladies sitting at circuit board mounting tables, large magnifying glasses with integral florescent lamps, and core plane frames mounted in circuit board holders for easy working. I am sure that machines were constructed but, I am also sure that some of the earlier work was done by hand. William R. Buckley -----Original Message----- From: Kip Crosby <kip(a)nanospace.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 8:24 AM Subject: Core planes was: [ebay: Antique] >At 09:35 11/20/98 -0500, Chuck wrote: >>One of the myth's they always told us was they all had to be >>made by hand - there wasn't a machine that could thread the >>row/column and sense wires for mass production. Is there any >>rumor to this truth? > >yeahright. In _IBM's Early Computers_ by Bashe et al., you will find >elaborate description of machinery developed to automate the production of >core planes, complete [IIRC] with pictures. >__________________________________________ >Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org > http://www.chac.org/index.html >Computer History Association of California > >

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Core planes

by cswiger＠wilma.widomaker.com

>>made by hand - there wasn't a machine that could thread the >>row/column and sense wires for mass production. Is there any >>rumor to this truth? > >yeahright. In _IBM's Early Computers_ by Bashe et al., you will find >elaborate description of machinery developed to automate the production >of core planes, complete [IIRC] with pictures. Ok - always thought it was a fishy story. Chuck cswiger(a)widomaker.com

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IBM 3848 and/or "VTL"

by dwollmann＠ibmhelp.com

I'm looking for info on what looks to be either a very old or obscure IBM type number. All I have is 3848 and "VTL" (card) to work with. None of the search engines, including Deja News, come up with anything other than a "help wanted" listing looking for someone with experience on the 3848. Any idea what this might be? -- David Wollmann DST / DST Data Conversion ICQ: 10742063 http://www.ibmhelp.com/

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ebay: Antique UNICAC computer memory planes

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

I have never ordered from the guy, because I smelled a skunk. The only info I have came from his own ads and web pages; I have not actually been "done wrong" by him. The pictures do look great, and if everything looked consistent with that, I'd have probably ordered one or two myself. But here I'll quote from his web page, which lives at http://www.netw.com/~drfcline/univac.htm : ] UNIVAC of the 1950s was an awesome high tech machine of then amazing ] ... ] Each stack had eight memory planes. Each memory plane had a fine mesh ] ... ] In the midst of glistening fine copper wires, the little doughnut could ] ... ] ] The amazing lace and tiny rings are long gone now. But the legacy still ] lives on in the word "stack" and "core memory". The ellipses were just some happy talk about how cool cores and Univacs were. I agree with him there, wholeheartedly. But those last two sentences sounded to me as if there were no cores to be had. If he had them for sale, how could be be calling them "long gone"? Well, okay, we have at least one confirmed order in which cores are really present, and nobody griping about getting ripped off. The only sane conclusion is: you are right, I mis-read it in a big way. Guess I'm so used to scams that I'm seeing them even when they are not there. Thanks for the correction! On top of setting me straight on something that I felt bad about, this means maybe I can talk myself into (out of?) ordering one! :-) Apologies to Dr. Cline, and to the list, for my outburst. Bill. On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> wrote: ] On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Bill Yakowenko wrote: ] ] > Beware; in the past this guy has offerred "core memory planes" for ] > sale several times, even on this list. But if you had read the ] > fine print you would have found that there were no cores - just ] > the rectangular PC-board "frame" in which the cores used to reside. ] > I suppose you could call that a plane, but it isn't what most ] > compu-geeks would think when hearing the word in that context. ] ] Are you sure, Bill? The pics on his website look like real core planes ] to me: ] http://www.netw.com/~drfcline/screen8.jpg ] Also on Thu, 19 Nov 1998, "David C. Jenner" <djenner(a)halcyon.com> wrote: ] Bill, ] ] You are 100% mistaken. You have seriously misread the information. ] ] His commentary and web page are written in the past tense to ] indicate that "core memory" is not used in today's computers, ] not that the boards do not have the cores in them now. ] ] He is selling, in addition to the core memory boards, the controller ] cards that ran a stack of the core memory cards. He is not saying ] that the cards are really controller cards and not core memory cards. ] ] I got a card a while back and the core memory card is exactly as ] stated and shown. There are cores. ] ] My only stupidity was having to pay the $20 or so when I should have ] had a free sample from years ago. ] ] Dave

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ebay: Antique UNICAC computer memory planes

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> wrote: ] More interesting stuff from ebay. ] http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=43065424 Beware; in the past this guy has offerred "core memory planes" for sale several times, even on this list. But if you had read the fine print you would have found that there were no cores - just the rectangular PC-board "frame" in which the cores used to reside. I suppose you could call that a plane, but it isn't what most compu-geeks would think when hearing the word in that context. In this case, he includes some text from an "actual" customer ranting about how cool his core memory board is, describing at length the 1024 core bits and yada yada yada, but if you read the all the way to the end you'll find that what he's actually offerring are the controller cards - not the 1K bit planes that he describes in such detail. Classic bait-and-switch. In fact, even when he was earlier selling the core memory boards, they didn't have the cores, so this rant is obviously marketing delirium. Nothing that is an outright lie, but misleading as Hell, unless somebody actually things a PC board frame with no components is awesomely cool and "looks great under a microscope". Tell me that isn't engineered to fool people into thinking they're getting real core memory. Sheesh! And "whatever was last written (back in the 50s) on the planes I bought is still there" - nope, not "there" as in "on the planes I bought", but "there" as in "wherever those cores happen to be now". As far as I'm concerned, this guy is a rip-off artist. If he was simply selling Univac memory controller boards, I'd be more than half interested. And oddly enough, as near as I can tell, these controller boards actually *do* have some core bits left on them. (Are "windings" the same as cores, or is this another aspect of his marketing ingenuity?) So in that sense they may be more interesting than his former offerings. Anyway, seeing how far he'll go to be misleading, I don't trust him. I get the feeling that if I read enough fine print, I'd find that he's actually just selling pictures of those things, or pictures of something else that had once been in the same room with those things, or... It's really a shame that something like a Univac memory unit would end up in the hands of somebody like this, who would hack it to bits and then try to sell the broken fragments by being so misleading. Sadly, Bill. PS. I suppose it is possible that he once sold an actual core plane with cores in it, and that's what this testimonial is describing. But the first time I saw that ad of his, I rushed over to his web page and found him offerring "coreless" memory planes. And even then he was ranting and raving about how cool cores were, in the same way he does here, only mentioning at the end that these boards don't actually have any core. So again, there might not be any outright lies in any of this, but be sure to read *ALL* of the fine print before you consider dealing with this guy.

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[OT] AT&T (fwd)

by daniel＠ubani.umtec.com

I got this from one of my friends who works at my upstream ISP. This was hilarious, I just had to share it! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Received: from morphy.ssi.net (root(a)morphy.ssi.net [209.251.96.2]) by ubani.umtec.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19177 for <daniel(a)ubani.umtec.com>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:36:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (outsider@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morphy.ssi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id RAA27456; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:38:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:38:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Patrick J. Cofield" <outsider(a)ssi.net> To: Jim Efaw <jimefaw(a)ssi.net>, daniel(a)ubani.umtec.com Subject: AT&T (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981117173345.26798A-100000(a)morphy.ssi.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is a work of genius. -- outsider(a)ssi.net (Patrick Cofield) Take it to the bridge. srass(a)bigfoot.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- [from Zeno, to a whole bunch of people] I know my friend Pat, lover of tele-marketers, will get a kick out of this one: Me: Hello AT&T: Hello, this is AT&T... Me: Is this AT&T? AT&T: Yes, this is AT&T... Me: This is AT&T? AT&T: Yes This is AT&T... Me: Is this AT&T? AT&T: YES! This is AT&T, may I speak to Mr. Robinson please? Me: May I ask who is calling? AT&T: This is AT&T. Me: OK, hold on. At this point I put the phone down for a solid 5 minutes thinking that, surely, this person would have hung up the phone. I ate my salad. Much to my surprise, when I picked up the receiver, they were still waiting. Me: Hello? AT&T: Is this Mr. Robinson? Me: May I ask who is calling please? AT&T: Yes this is AT&T... Me: Is this AT&T? AT&T: Yes this is AT&T... Me: This is AT&T? AT&T: Yes, is this Mr. Robinson? Me: Yes, is this AT&T? AT&T: Yes sir. Me: The phone company? AT&T: Yes sir. Me: I thought you said this was AT&T. AT&T: Yes sir, we are a phone company. Me: I already have a phone. AT&T: We aren't selling phones today Mr. Robinson. Me: Well whatever it is, I'm really not interested but thanks for calling. When you are not interested in something, I don't think you can express yourself any plainer than by saying "I'm really not interested", but this lady was persistent. AT&T: Mr. Robinson we would like to offer you 10 cents a minute, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Now, I am sure she meant she was offering a "rate" of 10 cents a minute but she at no time used the word rate. I could clearly see that it was time to whip out the trusty old calculator and do a little ciphering. Me: Now, that's 10 cents a minute 24 hours a day? AT&T: (getting a little excited at this point by my interest) Yes sir that's right! 24 hours a day! Me: 7 days a week? AT&T: That's right. Me: 365 days a year? AT&T: Yes sir. Me: I am definitely interested in that! Wow!!! That's amazing! AT&T: We think so! Me: That's quite a sum of money! AT&T: Yes sir, it's amazing how it adds up. Me: OK, so will you send me checks weekly, monthly or just one big one at the end of the year for the full $52,560, and if you send an annual check, can I get a cash advance? AT&T: Excuse me? Me: You know, the 10 cents a minute. AT&T: What are you talking about? Me: You said you'd give me 10 cents a minute, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. That comes to $144 per day, $1,008 per week and $52,560 per year. I'm just interested in knowing how you will be making payment. AT&T: Oh no sir I didn't mean we'd be paying you. You pay us 10 cents a minute. Me: Wait a minute here!!! Didn't you say you'd give me 10 cents a minute. Are you sure this is AT&T? AT&T: Well, yes this is AT&T sir but...... Me: But nothing, how do you figure that by saying that you'll give me 10 cents a minute that I'll give you 10 cents a minute? Is this some kind of subliminal telemarketing scheme? I've read about things like this in the Enquirer you know. Don't use your alien brainwashing techniques on me. AT&T: No sir we are offering 10 cents a minute for..... Me: THERE YOU GO AGAIN! Can I speak to a supervisor please! AT&T: Sir I don't think that is necessary. Me: Sure! You say that now! What happens later? AT&T: What? Me: I insist on speaking to a supervisor! AT&T: Yes Mr. Robinson. Please hold. So now AT&T has me on hold and my supper is getting cold. I begin to eat while I'm waiting for a supervisor. After a wait of a few minutes and while I have a mouth full of food: Supervisor: Mr. Robinson? Me: Yeth? Supervisor: I understand you are not quite understanding our 10 cents a minute program. Me: Id thish Ath Teeth & Teeth? Supervisor: Yes sir, it sure is. I had to swallow before I choked on my food. It was all I could do to suppress my laughter and I had to be careful not to produce a snort. Me: No, actually I was just waiting for someone to get back to me so that I could sign up for the plan. Supervisor: OK, no problem, I'll transfer you back to the person who was helping you. Me: Thank you. I was on hold once again and managed a few more mouthfuls. I needed to end this conversation. Suddenly, there was an aggravated but polite voice at the other end of the phone. AT&T: Hello Mr. Robinson, I understand that you are interested in signing up for our plan? Me: Do you have that friends and family thing because you can never have enough friends and I'm an only child and I'd really like to have a little brother... AT&T: (click) I am, -Zeno. ----------------------------------------------- Zeno K. Gamble Personal Security to the Secretary of Defense The Pentagon, 3E877, (703)692-7140 -----------------------------------------------

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MAC/ Apple //c compatibility questions

by PB14＠leicester.ac.uk

On 16 Nov 98 at 5:56, Eric Smith wrote: > The Apple ][ card for the Macintosh LC might be able to connect to a > real Disk ][; I've never had an LC (with or without the Apple ][ card), > so I couldn't tell you. I've never seen one of these in the UK but I understand that the LC family card will take one of the 19 pin Apple 5.25" drives. > And as non-Apple floppy drives for the Mac go, there was the DaynFile, which > was a nice two-drive box with a SCSI interface. It could be configured with > a mix of 360K, 1.2M, and 1.44M PC-format disks. Ugh. These were incredibly expensive and each mechanism would only read one particular disk format. I recall transferring data >from 360K floppy to 1.2M floppy on a PC before putting it on the Mac -- annoying for one disk but extremely tedious after a while. Like all Dayna products, they never properly supported it and nowadays deny all knowledge. Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

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what is a 'stringy floppy'?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< >i was talking to my manager who is just about ready to give me a comple < >working trs80 model 1 with ALL accessories. he also said he used someth < >called a stringy floppy with it which used a loop of string/wire to sa < The "Exatron Stringy Floppy" was a tape loop cartridge that had a basic < 'structured' file system on it so (with the proper software) it could b < treated similar to a disk device, altho serial in nature. Don't remembe < the capacity right off, but it was not a lot. Around 100k. It was faster than audio cassette but clower than floppy. It's search speed was terrible. I did a design before it came out using a 8track cart for a platform. It's problems were using the short loops I made it would take 180 seconds to search for the previous block and the reliability of the tape was poor with oxide flaking (even using the best mylar tapes). While I was able to make it work I abandoned it within weeks of building it for a DC300 cartridge and my own drive. Based on my experiences with looped tapes and carts when I saw the Exxatron I regarded it as unlikely contender. It didn't last long. It is very collectable as likely few survived. Allison

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WTB: Manual copies/printset copies (DEC)

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>Oh, of course Eric! I just didn't want anyone going to the fuss of copying >a whole handbook. What is it, about 150-200 pages in rather small format? >I'm not really that picky, just considering the work a person would go >through to make a xerographic copy. > >An extra original could turn up somewhere. Never give up! :) > One spare just did. Dan Burrows dburrows(a)netpath.net

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WTB: Manual copies/printset copies (DEC)

by cfandt＠netsync.net

It's me again, To help fill-in my technical library for the equipment I have, I would like to buy good copies or originals of DEC documents for the the following hardware: ** PDP-11/34A System User's Manual. I have an earlier 11/34 System User's Manual (# EK-11034-UG-001) which has some 11/34A stuff in it but evidently not up-to-date with the 34A processor I've got. There should be an updated one later than the EK-number above which is closer to my system. ** KD11-EA Processor Manual (for 11/34A). Document number: EK-KD1EA-MM or later. ** RA60 drive printset. I have to fix one that won't spinup. ** RA60 technical manual. For same reason.... ** VAX 11/730 - Technical or operating manuals, printsets, ANYTHING AT ALL!! I have nothing. Tony Duell needs those documents too for his machine. ** MicroVAX II (model KA630QY-A2) user's manual and a technical manual or anything else for that matter. ** Emulex TC02 manual and any tech manuals. ** PDP-11/04/34/etc. Processor Handbook. Part number EB-09340 or later (for 11/34A processors). Should be an original and not a copy of course ;) That's all for now. I still need others but these are more important. Thanks for the help! Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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what is a 'stringy floppy'?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i was talking to my manager who is just about ready to give me a complete and working trs80 model 1 with ALL accessories. he also said he used something called a stringy floppy with it which used a loop of string/wire to save data with not quite the speed of floppies but certainly faster than cassette. has anyone seen these or can explain how they work? he said there were carts that were put into the drive so it seems to be a removeable media device? can anyone explain further? david

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Need data on this Syquest drive

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Hi folks, Recently I posted that my MicroPDP-11 is up and running. A question I had still is not answered and I was hoping somebody here could help. The machine has a Syquest cartridge drive. It is a model SQ 312RD. I tried searching the web for info on this model but could only find a reference to it having 2 heads and 615 cylinders. This figures to 10,705,920 bytes capacity assuming 17 sectors per cyl and 512 bytes per sector? 10 mb cartridge size then, correct? I have no other info on Syquest except they are now dead (their websites still turn up in search engines but there's no response.) Anybody fill me in on the specs, etc? Cartridges available for the SQ 312RD???? Any other tape/cartridge drive available you recommend I should replace this with? I have an Emulex TC02 controller in this box. Don't even know if the Emulex board works as there's no cartridge to try the Syquest with. Is there a Pertec-formatted tape drive which can hang off the Emulex which is half-height, 5.25" form (to replace the Syquest)? This is ideal since I can keep the 5.25" floppy drive. What if I find an external-mounted TK50 drive and TQK50-AA (M7546) controller and fit it into this system? Is this workable? Will RSX-11M+ ver. 3.0 handle a TK50?? Software drivers?? I have no other way to back the system up at this time (floppies are probably out of the question because of quantity needed and huge PITA-factor) Thanks for the help! Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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Wanted -- Apple IIGS keys

by manney＠lrbcg.com

Thanks. I need the right arrow, please. Thanks Manney -----Original Message----- From: Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 9:55 PM Subject: Re: Wanted -- Apple IIGS keys >Yeah, it would. I have my old GS keyboard that's suspiciously dead (I think it >was christened by the cat) if all you need is keycaps. >-- >Jim Strickland >jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >

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your site

by pb0aia＠iaehv.nl

At Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:49:20 -0800, you said to CLASSICCMP(a)u.washington.edu ky>I'm back, finally! I have the new domain up. If you can spare a ky>minute to have a look at my new web site and drop me a note wit ky>'The Traveling Technoid' still exists... it's been relocated to a ky>link off the main page for Blue Feather Technologies Hi, Nice site, lots of great links too. One problem though. I tried to access your RQDX3 documentation but got a 404 not found error. The links to this doc still point to the old site, which seems to be empty. Will you reload the RQDX info? Many thanks in advance. Kees -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - pb0aia(a)iae.nl Sysadmin and DEC PDP/VAX preservationist - Visit VAXarchive! http://vaxarchive.ml.org (primary) - http://www.sevensages.org/vax/ (mirror) Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

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[OT] Alphaserver Oops!

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:30:09 -0800 (PST) Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> writes: >On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote: > >> Then I spot a little tab toward the top of the case. "Top Cover >Latch" >> Aha! Here's what we're after! So, I unlatch it, and pull the lid >off. >> *CLICK!* Whirrrrrrrrr.... *silence* >> >> Seems there's a power interlock in the top cover! >> >> Oops. > >Live and learn my young friend. Live and learn. I always jumper or otherwise disable those %&$@# things-- they always cause more problems than they solve. Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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Motorola CRT service manual

by kurtkilgor＠geocities.com

I found a service manual for Motorola M1000 and M2000 series CRTs. It's photocopied, so I'm not sure if it's complete. It's 18 pages long, copyrighted 1979. Anyone want it?

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Need TK50 part

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Anybody have a junker TK50 with the plastic tape leader still intact? Or, >does anyone have a NOS part? I would like to buy that part to repair my drive. Part number 74-28268-01, $1.00 each from DECDirect (1-800-Digital). A valuable resource is Digital's Assisted Services catalog search; see http://www.digital.com/info/DAS-Catalog/ -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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MICRO magazine (6502 related), who knows?

by franke＠sbs.de

> In particular I was reviewing my MICRO magazines (that > deal with the KIM, PET, and various 6502 systems). Coincidence - I just did the same - I took the years 1978 to 1981 with me on a busines trip to have something to read ... I hate this evenings in dump hotels ind small cities (like Paderborn) where they close everything at sundown. > I noticed that the latest copy I have is issue #18. I was > wondering if anyone knew if there were issues beyond > this or if the name of the magazine changed into something > else and I'm just not making the connection? No, they continued, but the quality improved (at least they took more expensive paper). > By the way, in the range of issues #1-18, I am missing > issues #15 & #16. I do however have duplicates of some > of the other issues. If anyone has duplicates of those two > issues, in good shape, and you're interested in trading, > one-for-one, let me know which issues you need and I'll > see if that's one of the ones that I have duplicates of. I will have a look, but this might take some times, since the duplicates are stored at another place. Servus hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Need TK50 part

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Anybody have a junker TK50 with the plastic tape leader still intact? Or, does anyone have a NOS part? I would like to buy that part to repair my drive. Mine has broken on one side of the position aperature through which the photodiode detects its position. Looks like it has been broken awhile as the tips of the break are a bit rounded with wear from the previous owner continuing to use it (probably never knew it was broken). I don't want to take a chance with it breaking on me while most of a tape is wound up on the takeup spool! Thanks, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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MICRO magazine (6502 related), who knows?

by franke＠sbs.de

>> Coincidence - I just did the same - I took the years 1978 >> to 1981 with me on a busines trip to have something to >> read ... I hate this evenings in dump hotels ind small >> cities (like Paderborn) where they close everything at >> sundown. > So how was the Heinz Nixdorf Museum? Haven't been there this time, but it's nice, althrough my kind of computer museum would be a bit more on the variety of the 70s and 80s focused. Also the HNF Computer Museum is a _bit_ company specific (ok, not as much as the Tupperware Museum). Son't get me wrong, it is still VERY impressive and the most comprehensive of all existing Computer/Information Technology museums in the world (at least compared to everything I have seen until now). And compared to the computer department of the Deutsches Museum, all displays are finished in an usefull way (As you might have noticed, I'm still mad about the displays at the Deutsches Museum). Servus Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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HV Testing (was:Re: Newbie's got a dead 386)

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

> Another one - How do you test supplies and various heater controls that have > to float at 8Kv? I.E.: their common point is at 8Kv. Especially when they > are intermittent and you can't tell without the HT on exactly when it is > acting up. VERY carefully float your meter at kV and be very sure you don't > touch the meter and don't do like I did and get to near the leads while > operating the instrument while waiting for the intermittent to act up. An > 8Kv @ 5ma with 1ppm stability supply burns holes on the way in and out. In > the arm and out the finger. I'd recommend: 1. Get one of those rubber holsters for the meter and allow only the holster to touch the equipment. 2. Make some test leads out of EHT wire. The sort of stuff that's used for the anodes of CRTs and things. Maplin used to sell it (haven't checked recently), rated at 25 kV, and I'm sure other suppliers do too. 3. Failing no. 2, car engine HT leads may be useable, but most of them are quite rsistive, so check the calibration! Philip.

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11/34A/RK07 not booting. Help wanted

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>This time it's the PDP-11/34A system. I was able to get it checked out and >lit up okay. It has the Programmers Console (KY11-LB) and an M9312 >Bootstrap/Terminator module plus RK611 and UDA50 drive interfaces. >Switch 2 is OFF on the 9312 therefore, registers printout onscreen and the >system prompt (@ in this case) appears after CNTL/BOOT keys are >simultaneously pressed. Seems okay so far. However, the 11/34-11/34A user's >manual says the prompt should be a '$' (?). Hmm - "$" is what I've always seen with the 11/34A ROM's. Is it possible that you aren't running the standard 11/34A ROM's? What are the DEC ROM numbers on your 9312? The part numbers will be of the frm 23-nnnA9, where "nnn"=752 for the RK06/07 bootstrap. Sometimes the "23-" is left off. But the register printout is correct... >Upon trying to boot the thing I am instructed to simply type DM onto the >terminal and the 11/34A will boot off the RK07 #0. Well, nothing happens. Does the DM echo? What if you type some nonsense characters - like YY? Tim. (shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com)

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Newbie's got a dead 386

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, 19 November 1998 9:14 Subject: Re: Newbie's got a dead 386 >> footnote: My then boss had "borrowed" the isolation transformer it was >> plugged in to while I was working on it, without telling me. (!) > >Had anyone done that to me, they would have been on the wrong end of a >suitable LART as soon as I had picked myself up... On topic, I've tinkered with a number of monitors, and some really old ICL Terminals that we maintained for a small company in town that had some strange system. They had some interesting fault modes. (Circuit diagrams were non-existant of course) Ok, I'll bite, what in heck is a LART. I've seen this in NANAE but have no idea what it means in this context. I should also mention that when I got home that afternoon, after I realized just how close I came, I made a quiet phone call to the Dept of Labour and Industry, suggesting that this person was running what was effectively : 1) a sweat shop (we were on piece rates) 2) had people working on mains/high voltage equipment without proper safeguards. What annoyed me the most was that there was 1 ELCB in the whole place. Guess who's bench had it. Yep. The boss. He got a surprise visit the following week from a surly little inspector who went through the place like a dose of salts. Not sure how much it cost him in the end, but I know it hurt. I got 4 months back pay and some public holiday money paid. We got ELCB's for all the work benches and 2 isolated outlets per bench for hot chassis stuff. (We'd been asking for this for MONTHS, and were always told, nah, just be careful, you'll be right.) Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

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Newbie's got a dead 386

by dburrows＠netpath.net

> >_Every_ shock I've had has been my own fault for being an idiot. And in >most cases an ELCB wouldn't have helped at all... > It sure would not have helped with one of the worst ones I had. 1900Vdc Electron mult. supply that appeared to have failed (instrument symptoms). Hooked up meter (rated for 2Kvdc) turned on supply, walked behind instrument to read meter, it read approx 40V - the way it usually fails. Figured the supply was dead so why go all the way around the instrument again (40+ foot obstacle course) to shut off the supply. I went to disconnect probes and found out the supply was not dead but the meter was dead. Took about 2 days for the cramps to quit. Another one - How do you test supplies and various heater controls that have to float at 8Kv? I.E.: their common point is at 8Kv. Especially when they are intermittent and you can't tell without the HT on exactly when it is acting up. VERY carefully float your meter at kV and be very sure you don't touch the meter and don't do like I did and get to near the leads while operating the instrument while waiting for the intermittent to act up. An 8Kv @ 5ma with 1ppm stability supply burns holes on the way in and out. In the arm and out the finger. Dan

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Nixdorf was Re: MICRO magazine (6502 related), who know

by franke＠sbs.de

>> Hey, speaking of Nixdorf. I have a Nixdorf LK-3000 "computer". It looks >> more like a calculator. Does anyone know anything about these? It has an >> "Information Module" in it about the Summer Olympics. > Cool! Another one! I have an LK-3000, with the Appointment Book > module and a Word-translation Module (German-English, > Spanish-English) and the instructions, etc... still works nicely. I > tried Nixdorf's site, but of course, the little LK is paleolithic > now.... > Anyone have any amplifying data on these? Herr Franke perhaps? They have been somewhat popular over here as translators in the early 80's - somewhat because the price was at least 50% more than any other device in this class. It was a try of Nixdorf to get some hold with consumer products. No, I found no actual data in our archives, but since this product was canceled long before SIEMENS bought NIXDORF, no information may ever have been added. But I startet some search aktivities. This might take some time. Gruss Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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SuperKIM

by franke＠sbs.de

> ::does anyone of the members own a SuperKIM or know > ::a surviving unit ? I would like to get more informations > ::(and maybe the computer :) > A SuperKIM? What's the difference? The SUPERKIM is a neat little board, based on the KIM design, but with a real lot of enhancements. It uses the same 6530-002 and -003 chips to get the KIM software the same keyboard And connectors. But unlike the KIM all ICs are on sockets, free sockets are already provided for 6 more 2114 to get 4 K of RAM (like on the SYM) four sockets for (E(P))ROM (up to 16 K), four sockets for 6522 VIAs (one already in place), a interrupt priotity logic, buffered busses, wire warp connectors for almost anything, complete memory decode, and last but not least a huge prototype area and a 5V and 12V regulator, so you only have to add a transformer, instead of designing your own PS. And the LEDs are already atop a seperate PCB (like the keyboard, but here is no difference to the KIM), so a 'distant' mount of keyboard and display is easy. On the backside, the _list_ price of 395 USD was almost twice the street price of a KIM and in the same region of the AIM street price (~400 USD in 1978/9). Shure, for a pure controller system, you don't need the ASCII keyboard, ASCII display and printer, but instead more I/O and interrupts, but the price was still impressive - I don't know if they sold a lot, but I guess, since the company had payed advertisements over more then one and a half year. Gruss Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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GRiD Model 1900 question

by thomas＠0000000.com

Hi, I picked up a GRiD Model 1900 pen-based DOS machine today. HSC Electronics is selling them for $20 each here in Californie. I haven't found much in the way of websites, pictures, etc. of this machine. Does anyone know of any out there? What I know so far is that they seem to be V20 powered 2 mb RAM based machines with little expandability but a nice LCD display. It has a semi-standard [compatible but weird pinout] port for a keyboard. There is a port on the side that I hope is a serial port and not a CGA or some such thing. How do you get data in and out of these machines? I was wondering what the little door on the bottom of the machine is. Someone in past e-mails on the net mentioned that it was for an IDE hard drive connection. Might this be true? I haven't powered it up yet as I have yet to order a power supply for it [Monday] but am intrigued enough to pour a few bucks into it to see if it works properly. With piqued curiousity, Thomas 0(a)0000000.com

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8008s and PDP11s

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< > 4004 trivia: I was told by the Fujitsu Elevator tech where I work < > that the five machines in our building are all controlled by a < > 4004-based system.. that apparently Fuji is still supplying in one < > form or another. < < Shure ? Or is it just the usual mix up of facts ? < Fujitsu (like NEC and a lot other companies) is < still producing several lines of 4 Bit controllers. < They also design _new_ 4 Bit singlechipers. But < AFAIR these are not compatible to the 4004 in any < way. This is very true. In the window of around 75 through now NEC, Hitachi, Fujitsu, Yamaha and others have produce their own 4bit data path single chip cpus. NEC had in the early days the uCOM-4 series and later the uCOM75 series. While each had some similarities to 4004 they were not compatable. They were also most widely used in games like Einstein, Simon, VCRs (timer), Microwave ovens to name a few. Allison

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Question about VAXen?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Can't help you with that, but we do have a very nice Z80 and CP/M emulat < that runs on both VAX and Alpha. You get rather nice performance on our < DEC7740, somewhat faster than my Osborne I if not just a little more < expensive :-) That would run nicely on my M76. ;) The only reason that wasn't on my list is I have some nice z80 systems. I wouldn't mind having that as it would be one more reason to use the vax more. Allison

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Free stuff: modems, serial boards, more

by ss＠allegro.com

The following items are free to any home. Yes...they're old. Please don't waste bandwidth telling me that :) They're located in Cupertino, CA. We're willing to ship if we're reimbursed for the shipping cost. 1. HP24540B (serial/parallel interface cards (qty: 9) for HP Vectra, PC AT/XT compatible. RS232-centronics 6-8 MHz. 2. Micom 400/NP local datasets (qty: 4), with 2 manuals, with power supplies 3. Racal/Vadic 1200 PC modems (qty: 2), w/power supplies 4. Novation (qty: 2) things (modems?) 212 Auto-cat modems (one labelled "synch", one possibly defective) w/1 power supply 5. Datatronics / Magitronic AT-1200CK modem, w/power supply 6. Inmac Clear Signal 2400 SD External Modem, (new in box) w/power supply, manual (Dec 1988) 7. Polaroid CP-70 Contrast Enhancement Filters (qty: 3) 10.5" high, 12.5" wide Small heart sticker, removable, on one. :) 8. Paper trays (qty: 3 or 4) possibly for an HP LaserJet 2000. (We're cleaning the office :) sieler(a)allegro.com

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HV Testing (was:Re: Newbie's got a dead 386)

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

>>I'd recommend: >> >>1. Get one of those rubber holsters for the meter and allow only the >>holster to touch the equipment. >> >>2. Make some test leads out of EHT wire. The sort of stuff that's used >>for the anodes of CRTs and things. Maplin used to sell it (haven't checked >>recently), rated at 25 kV, and I'm sure other suppliers do too. [...] > I agree but that adds weight and bulk to an already overstuffed and heavy > tool / parts case that I will not check through airline baggage. It is > something that I have to do only a couple times a year so I realize I am > taking chances and after the bite of 8Kv I tend to be even more careful. I > have some 40KV rated test lead which would work but it is bulky for use on > the road. > Keep in mind that I used to be in 2 to 4 cities a week. 99% of the time > with airline flights between each city. Weight and bulk is a BIG > consideration then. OK, point taken. EHT wire is lighter and no more bulky than test lead wire, though, unless you want to measure currents bigger than about an amp. FWIW my Fluke only comes out of its rubber holster when I need to change the batteries (seldom) or the ammeter fuse (far too often!) Besides, if I can fly all the way from Birmingham UK to San Jose CA with a Tektronix 4052 (80 lb) in my baggage... > The most important thing I was trying to point out with the first item in > that post is NEVER assume the meter is correct. It will bite you. Agreed 100% (as Tony would say). In the electricity industry, safety procedures require you to test an EHT meter on a known good source before _and after_ the measurement. While that's impractical if you're flying around with no more test equipment than you can fit in a briefcase, a useful principle to follow. Philip.

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HV Testing (was:Re: Newbie's got a dead 386)

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>> Another one - How do you test supplies and various heater controls that >have >> to float at 8Kv? I.E.: their common point is at 8Kv. Especially when >they >> are intermittent and you can't tell without the HT on exactly when it is >> acting up. VERY carefully float your meter at kV and be very sure you >don't >> touch the meter and don't do like I did and get to near the leads while >> operating the instrument while waiting for the intermittent to act up. >An >> 8Kv @ 5ma with 1ppm stability supply burns holes on the way in and out. >In >> the arm and out the finger. > >I'd recommend: > >1. Get one of those rubber holsters for the meter and allow only the >holster to touch the equipment. > >2. Make some test leads out of EHT wire. The sort of stuff that's used >for the anodes of CRTs and things. Maplin used to sell it (haven't checked >recently), rated at 25 kV, and I'm sure other suppliers do too. > >3. Failing no. 2, car engine HT leads may be useable, but most of them are >quite rsistive, so check the calibration! I agree but that adds weight and bulk to an already overstuffed and heavy tool / parts case that I will not check through airline baggage. It is something that I have to do only a couple times a year so I realize I am taking chances and after the bite of 8Kv I tend to be even more careful. I have some 40KV rated test lead which would work but it is bulky for use on the road. Keep in mind that I used to be in 2 to 4 cities a week. 99% of the time with airline flights between each city. Weight and bulk is a BIG consideration then. The most important thing I was trying to point out with the first item in that post is NEVER assume the meter is correct. It will bite you. Dan

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SuperKIM

by franke＠sbs.de

Servus, does anyone of the members own a SuperKIM or know a surviving unit ? I would like to get more informations (and maybe the computer :) Gruss Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Aquarius Data Recorders At Last

by franke＠sbs.de

>> They have agreed to my original offer and backed down on forcing >> me to pick up a second pallet worth. Thought they might. :-) >> I'll get back to the list with details for those who want one, two or >> 50 (hint, hint), after I take possession. > Since you are obviously hot to move some of these, I'm curious enough to > ask... might these have any application beyond the Aquarius? Are there > any specs on the web? Connector pinouts? Signal levels? Especialy, are they able to do fast foreward, backward under computer control ? Or maybe reverse read ? Could be a great thing, Iand I would like to get a few. Did you already fix a price range ? Gruss hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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8008s and PDP11s

by franke＠sbs.de

> 4004 trivia: I was told by the Fujitsu Elevator tech where I work > that the five machines in our building are all controlled by a > 4004-based system.. that apparently Fuji is still supplying in one > form or another. Shure ? Or is it just the usual mix up of facts ? Fujitsu (like NEC and a lot other companies) is still producing several lines of 4 Bit controllers. They also design _new_ 4 Bit singlechipers. But AFAIR these are not compatible to the 4004 in any way. Gruss Hasn -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Altair Speculation

by franke＠sbs.de

> Oh my. This is the best marketing job I've seen yet. Somebody (a > Microsoft employee, thank dog) paid $541 for a few Popular Electronics > magazines, and they didn't even get *the* Altair issue! > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=39459401 Gregorious. I guess the seller is happe - have you seen the second and third highest bidder ? The difference is quite amazing. 76 USD is a high but still reasonable bid, but 531 and 541 ? Could there reale have been two dumb ones out there at the same time ? > There ought to be a law (or at least a good book). A book can't change this. And a Law ? I guess the only law aplicable here is one my mother told me when I was thinking about any kind of sale: Every day a dumb person get up, you just have to find it. (She had a second one, regarding money/sales, that I like even more: "Mai auf oda Ge'idbeidl" (its's Bavarian) or in a more simple English version: You have to open your mouth (and ask) or your wallet(and pay) (to get something).) Gruss Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Question about VAXen?

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Huw Davies <H.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, 19 November 1998 14:18 Subject: Re: Question about VAXen? >Store room has MicroVAXes, 11/83, too many HSC70s :-), Is that a hint you want to part with a couple? :^) >Star Coupler and the >pride of the collection a 6240 with Unibus (yes, Unibus as well as BI). Now that's VERY interesting, I had no idea such a beast ever existed. I thought all 6xxx boxes were XMI/BI. Was it a one off special or something?? I am now seriously contemplating a museum here, mainly the larger stuff, that home hobbyist users can't readily set up or even store, in most cases. (It would be difficult to persuade most wives to accept a 6000 and it's rack of full of RA7x's as a wall ornament) The smaller Microvax/Vaxstation stuff is more likely to suit hobbyists, and is less likely to wind up as scrap metal, although we would doubtless have a suitable selection on display. Ideally, I would like to make it a working museum, with functional machines, that would actually be run from time to time. I hope to get some of the larger PDP & Vaxen and perhaps a Prime and/or IBM dinosaur or two. A PDP 11/whatever is on the cards, and I'd like to track down an 8350 or similar. If anyone in the list knows of such items coming up for disposal in Australia, preferably South Australia or Victoria, I would be pleased to hear from you. I have a site in mind, used to be a bakery, and has solid concrete floors and 3 phase. I am going to approach the owner (friend of mine - I rent a shop from im - small towns have their advantages) to see if he is interested in a long term joint venture. He's had it on the market for a while and has no show of selling it, so you never know. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

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Question about VAXen?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< >There are a few of us. ;) I happen to have 3 VS3100/m10E, 3100/M76, < >two MivroVAXIIs and three VS2000s... I like vaxen and VMS. < < Well I've being doing VMS since 1980 and been managing them since 1982. < Sitting in a room not too far from my ofice is about $3million worth of < gear so I guess I'm still a VMS person.... (Of course, in the store room < there are more VAX systems that are far more interesting than the ones i < the computer room, in that I own them :-) You have a few really neat ones. Some of the big iron vaxen are more interesting than the smaller. I find the OS, VMS to be most interesting. I've been acive with VMS since 83 but I was never in the business as sysmanger... I was supposed to be just a user. I found the machine so facinating that I took up learning them on my own. The 7 machines are here in my home, networked and operational. I rarely run all 7 but it's a matter of hitting the power on any one to bring it up. Terminals include several VT320s, VT340 and a VT1200. My wish list... PC emulator that runs on VAX so I can port my DOS/PC apps to run from the VAXen. Allison

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Question about VAXen?

by H.Davies＠latrobe.edu.au

At 07:09 PM 17-11-98 +1030, Geoff Roberts wrote: I wrote: >>... (Of course, in the store room, there are more VAX systems that are far >>more interesting than the ones in the computer room, in that I own them :-) > >Perhaps a working museum is in order? Well, up until recently, that would have been my Computer Room. Over the last six years or so, we had (all operational) a couple of 11/785s, an 11/780, an 8600, four 8800s and an 8820. Not to mention various MicroVAXes (II and III), VLCs and 3100s. Now, the computer room has two 6620s, a 6530, a 6440, 3100/90, a few VLCs and that's about it (on the VAX side of things, naturally there are plenty of VMS alpha systems but they're hardly old :-) Store room has MicroVAXes, 11/83, too many HSC70s :-), Star Coupler and the pride of the collection a 6240 with Unibus (yes, Unibus as well as BI). Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999 La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the Melbourne Australia 3083 | air, the sky would be painted green"

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archives..

by DaveyGF＠aol.com

The list owner described the commands to issue to fetch archives... Could you repeat that information? Thanks, DF

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Newbie's got a dead 386

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, 19 November 1998 13:46 Subject: Re: Newbie's got a dead 386 >Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool. It ain't email. It is in fact >very simple technology -- Australopithecus was fond of using the >thighbone of an antelope. Homo Sapiens Australis is more likely to use even simpler technology in my experience. A right hook and a head butt usually. But blunt objects do get used if they happen to be close and handy. He got the verbal equivalent I guess. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

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Posted Tonight

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Posted tonight: - Computer Notes May, 1977 parts 1 and 2 (although the URL for part 2 isn't activated, the file is there) [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

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CLASSICCMP digest 597

by pechter＠shell.monmouth.com

> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:15:23 -0600 > From: Jay Jaeger <cube(a)msn.fullfeed.com> > To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Subject: Re: PDP 11/55 / 11/45 Prints (Was PDP 11/70 console wiring > diagram) > Message-ID: <199811180322.VAA14831(a)fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > "Things are seldom what they seem; skim milk masquerades as cream!" > > Well, it turns out that my 11/45 is something of a mixed bag, and probably > isn't simply an 11/45 at all. The aluminum plate on the console > indicates KB11A S/N > 01-05231 . The sticker (mostly overlaid by another) > on top of the backplane indicates system S/N 1525. > > But the overlay sticker is probably what counts. It indicates KB11D Rev. > D, Backplane Rev R,. System S/N 293. If I am reading things right, I > have an 11/55 in an 11/45 case. > > I had never bothered to check before. Sigh. Kind of a pity that it isn't > itself anymore. The real pity is that UW Chem E. used to have a real > 11/55 (white front panel), that I didn't pursue because I was out of > room, several years ago. Sounds to me like you may have an late model 11/45. My memory may be hazy... and my limited docs are in the crawl space until I find one of these bad boys for my house. Most of the KB11A's became KB11D's via an ECO. I believe this ECO was needed for Unix and some RSX versions. I believe the 11/70 KB11B's all became KB11C's as well. There's no difference between the late 11/45's and the rest of the KB11 line. The KB11A and KB11D were 11/45, 11/50 and 11/55's and the KB11B and KB11C (and KB11CM) were 11/70's and 11/74 stuff reconfigured for DEC use as 11/70's internally when they sold AT&T all their remaining 11/70's for Telco use about 1983 or so. I thought the difference between the 11/45, 11/50 and 11/55 was the memory configuration. The 11/55 was semiconductor fastbus memory and the 11/45 was usually an all-core configuration. (Realistically they're interchangeable... I'd love to see someone make a 128kb bipolar memory retrofit with a standard 512k cache SIMM for the 11s...) Imagine ECC and high speed unibus memory... All of RSX or RSTS living in one memory board. The 11/50 was MOS memory IIRC. I believe the MOS and core were about 250ms cycle times...and the bipolar was half that. (this may be totally wrong... the memory's real hazy here...) The fast 32k of bipolar memory in the 11/55 was usually configured to exist at either the OS memory area (so the OS would be kind of running out of fast "cache-like" memory or where the main application lived for number crunching apps. The 11/55, I think, correctly configured held the DEC speed record on Fortran crunching (faster than the 11/70 which had a real cache). The rest of the 11/55 memory was either standard core or mos. Bill

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PDP 11/70 console wiring diagram

by wanderer＠bos.nl

Hello All, Is there someone who can help me with a copy of the wiring diagram of the PDP 11/70 console panel? Thanks, Ed -- The Wanderer | Geloof nooit een politicus! wanderer(a)bos.nl | Europarlementariers: http://www.bos.nl/homes/wanderer | zakkenvullers en dumpplaats voor Unix Lives! windows95 is rommel! | mislukte politici. '96 GSXR 1100R | See http://www.bos.nl/homes/wanderer/gates.html for a funny pic. of Gates!

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uPDP-11 is working now!

by dburrows＠netpath.net

Another trick if startup.cmd logs you off the console is when it asks for the Date and Time do an ^Z That will exit you out of the startup.cmd (like autoexec.bat) and leave you at the >(mcr) prompt in SY0:[200,200] then you can continue with Tim's suggestions. Dan -----Original Message----- From: CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com <CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 4:12 PM Subject: RE: uPDP-11 is working now! >Anyway, next task is how to get past the user name and password problem. >There recently was a discussion here regarding breaking into an MVII >running VMS. (Watch for a future msg regarding my unsuccessful attempt at >running up my MVII this morning) > >Can anybody describe a way to do this under RSX-11M+ v3.0? Of course, there >*may* be something about this in my RSX-11M manuals but please suggest >about which volume! >I'm using this PeeCee as a terminal. The simple communications program I >use can capture all text sent from/to the uPDP. After I type-in the time >and date the remains of a rather long script is run and the '>' prompt is >all I get after the dust settles. No users are logged-in and I believe MCR >is the CLI running. If you're at the MCR prompt at this point, very likely you've got a [200,200] UIC. Switch to a priv'd UIC (i.e. SET /UIC=[1,1]), do a RUN $ACNT, and use the menu options to set the password for the SYSTEM account to whatever you want. See chapter 2 of the _System Management Guide_ for more details. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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