Whoa, I'm more than a little stunned, of course it was only a matter of
time. It looks like someone has been working on a VAX emulator, also
sounds like he might be interested in some help. Apparently it won't boot
VMS :^( but it will run some assembler programs. It's Mac only, but since
it's a Codewarrior project written using SIOUX it should be portable to
UNIX.
http://users.vnet.net/cole/evax.html
Zane
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Hi Sam and all,
At 12:53 PM 12/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
>> Reading through this stuff, I'm reminded that I don't have copies of the
>> earlier PCC stuff or any of the earlier club newsletters. Photocopy
>> trades, anyone?
>
>I need copies of the PCC newsletter and volume 1 of the Homebrew Computer
>Club newsletter (I have Vol 2- the end).
How long did HBCC go? I have Volume 2, No 1 with Bill G's open letter and
many after. Maybe The Vol. 2 No 1 will fetch a good price to go with some
microsoft employee's Altair :-). Am sure I have some earlier ones (1975)
someplace???
Speaking of "Single instance" things, what about documentation? (Not too
much with commercial HW yet..) I have the 4 issues of the Scelbi newsletter,
looks like they were printed on an asr 33, like a lot of their stuff. Also
have now the 10 issues of "Computer Hobbyist". Anyone have any of the
"Amateur Computer Society" newsletters?
-Dave
>
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Are you folks in the UK aware of the BCS Computer Conservation Society?
http://www.galactic.co.uk/iainf/ccs.html
It seems like they have some good vintage computer activies going on
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At 12:27 PM 12/10/98 +1030, you wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net>
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>Date: Thursday, 10 December 1998 3:10
>Subject: Up for grabs: Unusual video cable
>
>
>>Still finding more junk ^H^H^H^H er, ah, treasures. Found this video cable
>>but I have no idea what it's for. It looks like a 13W3 cable for a Sun
>>computer but only has the three co-axial connectors in the plug and no
>>pins. The plug is the same size as a DB-15. The other end of the cable has
>>the usual three BNC connectors for a RGB monitor.
>
>Sounds a bit like a Digital Vaxstation monitor cable. Does it have a part
>no on it and/or a |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo?
>
No, that would have been too easy. The name on it is "Advanced
Interconnect", there are a couple of numbers on it "6247661-P001" and
"PAM3W3P 9032".
>
>>Send beer money plus
>>postage and this wonderfull treasure will be your's.
>
>
>I think the postage to Oz might be prohibitive, or I would.
I'd settle for some of that good Aussie beer :-) :-) :-) :-)
Joe
>
>Cheers
>
>Geoff Roberts
>Computer Systems Manager
>Saint Marks College
>Port Pirie South Australia.
>My ICQ# is 1970476
>Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile)
> 61-8-8633-0619 (Home)
> 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct)
> 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)
>
>
Joe, was this a response for the basic/four ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: single instance machines
>At 11:58 AM 12/9/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>>No, I have one also.
>> - don
>
> What do you have for your's? Do you have any of the manuals? I have
>quite a few but I'd like to get copies of any that I don't have, especially
>the service manuals for the 8" disk drives.
>
> Joe
>
>
At 19:26 8/12/98 +0000, ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote:
>All devices 'directly
>or indirectly connected' to the phone system have to be approved. This
>includes acoustic couplers, BTW, which have to be unable to send certain
>tones down the line.
Doesn't that mean that, in theory at least, all FM radios would have to be
approved if you wanted to listen to a talkback radio programme where people
called in via the phone? Surely that would mean your FM radio was
(indirectly) connected to the phone system.
I would have thought it would also mean that your computer would have to be
approved if it were "indirectly" connected to the phone system via a modem.
Or is the legislation worded carefully enough to avoid this?
Regards,
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At 02:27 PM 12/9/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Joe wrote:
>
>> > Hmmm. I have two AT&T 3B1 model 310s. Does that count as one or two?
> ^^^
>
>Whazzat?
That's a brain-fart. It should have said 3B2.
>
>Anyway, I got ~~20 unixpc/7300/3b1 in various stages of operation -->
>decomposition.
Sounds like my 6300s.
Joe
< that was backward compatible with the Nova, and subject of the book "Sou
< the New Machine". The project codename was Eagle, but I don't recall wh
< the machine was called when it was actually produced.
Eclipse, as it was supposed to overshadow the VAX and was consistant with
earlier celestial naming (Nova).
Allison
In case anyone is interested - from newsgroup.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Justin <jcla(a)pasteur.dialix.com.au>
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.workstation
Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 6:32 AM
Subject: Giving away Amiga500
>That's right!
>I have one Amiga 500 with Monitor and TV adapter.
>
>It belonged to a relative and is in top condition.
>
>Reason: I am moving and it was one of those projects that I never got
>around to.
>
>You have until Friday night to respond, otherwise it goes in the trash.
>
>oh, and you have to work out how to pick it up.
>Cheers,
>Justin.
Hi,
Thanks to the generous loan of three big binders full of RT-11 v2 manuals,
I now have 20 megs of tiff images that might be of interest to others as
well. Three questions:
1) Is anyone aware of the current copyright status of these documents? Can
I give copies of such old manuals (1976) without worrying about possible
legal implications?
2) Depending on a favorable reply to question #1, would it benefit anyone
to have these available on-line? I currently have them broken
into chapters, anywhere from 600k to 4megs each (8.5"x11"@300dpi, BW)
3) If we got this far and they're going to be available over the internet,
does anyone have any requests to make specific formats available? I could
also make PDF and PostScript versions, or even make a wild attempt at
OCRing them (thought that would destroy tables/graphics)...
Aaron C. Finney Systems Administrator WFI Incorporated
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, 10 December 1998 3:10
Subject: Up for grabs: Unusual video cable
>Still finding more junk ^H^H^H^H er, ah, treasures. Found this video cable
>but I have no idea what it's for. It looks like a 13W3 cable for a Sun
>computer but only has the three co-axial connectors in the plug and no
>pins. The plug is the same size as a DB-15. The other end of the cable has
>the usual three BNC connectors for a RGB monitor.
Sounds a bit like a Digital Vaxstation monitor cable. Does it have a part
no on it and/or a |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo?
>Send beer money plus
>postage and this wonderfull treasure will be your's.
I think the postage to Oz might be prohibitive, or I would.
Cheers
Geoff Roberts
Computer Systems Manager
Saint Marks College
Port Pirie South Australia.
My ICQ# is 1970476
Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile)
61-8-8633-0619 (Home)
61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct)
61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)
At 19:36 9/12/98 -0500, Daniel T. Burrows <dburrows(a)netpath.net> wrote:
>In case anyone is interested - from newsgroup.
>Dan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Justin <jcla(a)pasteur.dialix.com.au>
>Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.workstation
>Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 6:32 AM
>Subject: Giving away Amiga500
>
>
>>That's right!
>>I have one Amiga 500 with Monitor and TV adapter.
>>
>>It belonged to a relative and is in top condition.
>>
>>Reason: I am moving and it was one of those projects that I never got
>>around to.
>>
>>You have until Friday night to respond, otherwise it goes in the trash.
>>
>>oh, and you have to work out how to pick it up.
>>Cheers,
>>Justin.
Just to help anyone who's interested, it seems this A500 is in Adelaide
(pasteur.dialix.com.au is Dialix's Adelaide server).
Regards,
| Scott McLauchlan |E-Mail: scott(a)cts.canberra.edu.au |
| Network Services Team |Phone : +61 2 6201 5544 (Ext.5544)|
| Client Services Division |Post : University of Canberra, |
| University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA | ACT, 2601, AUSTRALIA. |
Hi. It occurred to me to wonder if anyone has the 32bit Data General machine
that was backward compatible with the Nova, and subject of the book "Soul of
the New Machine". The project codename was Eagle, but I don't recall what
the machine was called when it was actually produced.
Heh. Serious collectable would be Gallifrey Eagle or one of the other 3
prototype machines. :)
--
Jim Strickland
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I also own a 3b1.
What was special about the model 310?
Jeff
On Wed, 09 Dec 1998 14:44:58 Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> writes:
>
>>> Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> wrote:
>>> > I've always wanted to know which machines have only a single
>instance
>>> > represented on this list.
>>>
>
> Hmmm. I have two AT&T 3B1 model 310s. Does that count as one or
>two?
>AFIK I have the only Tek 4051.
>
> Joe
>
>
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On Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:36:08 -0600, John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> wrote:
>>The article compendiums that are offered for Byte,
>>DDJ, etc. are interesting, but so are the ads, and they aren't included.
I think that the ads are fantastic. I was about 13 in 1980, and I
remember going to the public library to read these mags. So, when I see
these ads I sort of have Deja Vu. If you look at the Bytes from 1978 through
1983, you can see the change in focus among the hardware platforms. It's
sort of like watching a flower bloom in slow motion.
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The Northstar disk system was quite an item in its day, when it came out it was the lowest price floppy disk system on the market, by about half (it was under $500, and most other SINGLE drive systems were $1,000). That's because it was the FIRST commercially available system to use a 5.25" drive rather than an 8" drive. The drive was the Shugart SA-400, I believe (could have the number wrong), a full-size 5.25" drive. As used by Northstar, it was a 35 track drive with ten sectors per track (hard sectored), 256 bytes per sector, I think, total capacity as formatted was 80k or so (with some reserved area) (single sided, single density, of course).
The controller was dumb, mostly just gates controlled by software. To step the drive, the software wrote alternating, and properly timed, "1's" and "0's" to a port or an address (my recollection is that the controller was memory mapped). All of the work was done at a very low level in the operating system, which was also dumb, it only supported contiguous files and you had to "compact" the disk whenever holes were created by deleting a file.
Many of us made our first move from paper or (audio) magnetic tape to disk with this system, and crude as the system was, it was a HUGE advance at the time.
And a small New York city software firm, Lifeboat associates, became quite prominent in part because they managed to put CP/M on the Northstar system, a major feat at the time as CP/M had been pretty much exclusively set up for standard 8" SSSD drives (in fact, in versions 1.3 and to a lesser extent 1.4, it was hard coded this way in the BDOS, but in version 2.2 it became table driven so that other formats were more easily accommodated). The two principles in Lifeboat I knew quite well, Tony Gold, who was mostly a promoter, sales type and businessman, and I can't remember the name of the primary programmer who did most of the actual software development work, but at the time I knew him quite well and worked closely with him on porting CP/M to the Heathkit products. I will remember his name shortly after I "send" this message.
I still have source code (disassembled and commented) for the Northstar Disk operating system.
Barry Watzman
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From: Jeffrey l Kaneko [SMTP:jeff.kaneko@juno.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 9:53 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: FSOT: Commodore GPIB cable.
Joe:
Okay, I have something that may interest you. One of Northstar's
first products, was a floppy disk drive, that could be used with
Altairs (among others). I have a pair of these 5.25" drives in an
aluminum/wooden cabinet.
There are inscriptions inside giving dates that it was built up,
upgraded, etc. I don't remember the exact dates, but it seems that
it was built in 1977.
I have reason to believe the drives are original; one still has the
N* nameplate attached thereto. The wooden top cover is in decent
shape, has a small bit of wood chipped from a front corner.
If this is interesting, I can get more particulars-- especially
corrolation of the dates with the actual Altair/Imsai/N* product
release timelines.
Jeff
On Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:45:24 Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> writes:
>Jeff,
>
> That one is sold but I have another one that's still new in the bag.
> I'm
>looking for anything for my Altair, anything for my Tektronix 4051 or
>HP
>calculator or computer stuff. Machines, parts, manuals or whatever.
>
> Joe
>
>At 08:31 PM 12/8/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>Joe:
>>
>>I could sure use this. WHat sort of trades are you looking for?
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>On Tue, 08 Dec 1998 14:17:39 Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> writes:
>>>Commodore marked cable with a card edge connector on one end and a
>>>male/female GPIB connectors on the other. Contact me if interested.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>
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Just got an IMMACULATE Kaypro 2X machine, with all the original disks.
It doesn't have the keyboard cable though, but I imagine it will use the
same type as most terminal keyboards that have modular phone type
connectors? The port on back is clearly marked keyboard so no big deal
there.
Also on back is another modular, a little bigger but unmarked. Is this
possibly a modem or what else could it be?
Anyone have any manuals for the actual machine they want to sell, trade
or copy?
< Okay, I have something that may interest you. One of Northstar's
< first products, was a floppy disk drive, that could be used with
< Altairs (among others). I have a pair of these 5.25" drives in an
< aluminum/wooden cabinet.
Yes, the board and the drive were released about the same time as their
z80 cpu. it was late '76.
The NS* horizon box with the wood cover and all (about 20" wide) was later
by nearly a year in mid'77 for shipments as kits.
< upgraded, etc. I don't remember the exact dates, but it seems that
< it was built in 1977.
About right.
<
< I have reason to believe the drives are original; one still has the
< N* nameplate attached thereto. The wooden top cover is in decent
< shape, has a small bit of wood chipped from a front corner.
Very common. Mine is near mint.
< If this is interesting, I can get more particulars-- especially
< corrolation of the dates with the actual Altair/Imsai/N* product
< release timelines.
Sorry guys--
I'm sorry about all of the
private mail here on the list.
I keep forgetting to watch those %$#^*&$*$#^ addresses!
Damn.
Jeff
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Hi gang, I need your help in finding something.
Some of you know I rescued an IBM 9370 system from my now-ex employer in
mid-'97. It is considered as a small mainframe; a CMOS version of the
S/370. I could only fit the racked components into the old house back then,
not the two rather large rack enclosures (too wide and deep and weighed
over 139 kg or 300+ pounds). Also, I certainly could not keep the 500+
pound 3262-5 printer! So, I had to scrap those large items.
At that time, I carefully stacked the DASD (disk drives) upon a sturdy
wooden crate and made a hefty roll-around pallet for the previously
rack-mounted 9375-60 Processor (weighs 132 kg or just over 290 pounds.) The
9347 tape drive was set upon the 9375-60. I cabled everything up and set to
getting it IPL'd. The system uses a PS/2 Model 30 (8086) as the System
Console and IPL device. Some sort of failure occured at IPL that I could
not debug so I let it set as we got rather busy looking for, buying, fixing
up and ultimately moving into this house.
It looks like I will be able to just squeeze a 9309-2 rack down through the
basement door and stairway in this new house. Therefore, I'm looking for a
single IBM 9309 Model 2 rack enclosure. Should be empty. I already have a
Power Control Compartment, operator panel and wiring I salvaged from the
old racks. A six or ten inch stabilizer (anti-tipover stabilizer) would
also be desired.
The catch is that it should be sort of nearby my hometown in Western NY
State. Shipping would be too costly otherwise. I'm unemployed up to now and
should save my severance pay for real bills and more remodeling of this
house. See sig below for location. However, I can pay for gas money and
meals for anyone who rolls one into their pickup truck and hauls it out
here! :-)
You see, I have what is understood as being Serial Number One of the 9370
production release. My employer bought the first 9370 available when we
upgraded our data processing system in 1987 from the old Hewlett-Packard
HP250-30 system (which is also in my collection!).
Now that we have a house in which a Model 2 rack enclosure should just fit
into the basement door and stairs, I want to give the 9375-60 processor,
9347 tape drive and several 9332-400 DASD's a decent place to live as it is
a bit historically significant being system S/N 1.
These 9309 racks were used not just for 9370's but for other IBM machines
such as the early AS/400's and other systems and/or their mass storage
devices, so they should be around. More and more of these old systems are
being taken out of service and usually junked nowadays.
Let me know if you hear of or have any 9309-2 racks!! Or even the shorter
9309-1 racks (need two of 'em then.)
Thanks so much for the help!
Sincerely, Chris
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On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote:
> Or, of course, released some of his software under a different license.
> AFAIK, nobody, not even RMS, has to release anything under the GPL if
> they don't want to.
*sigh*
It's politics again, as the whole OSS thing. There is the concept that
releasing source code with the program is good, and then there is
everything else, like stuff about Linux being renamed to GNU/Linux, etc.
They're just being pedantic, and whoever wins gets the throne though
there is no real issue to fight over (and no real throne)
> -tony
>
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On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, "Richard A. Cini, Jr." <rcini(a)msn.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have the 1/83 issue of Byte Magazine? In it is part 3 of an
> article by Steve Ciarcia about the MPX-16 PC-compatible SBC. I have parts
> 1
> and 2, so I need the third.
>
I see Barry beat me to it and found the article for you. I actually have
Ciarcia's original prototypes for the MPX-16 motherboard, and some paperwork
>from his project file.
Do you suppose I should e-bay them into university tuition for my kids? :)
If you can't find what you need in the Byte article, it's possible there's
more info buried in the notes I got from Steve.
Arlen
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At 05:34 PM 12/8/98 -0600, Doug Yowza wrote:
>According to the interview I read (from 1996), Stallman considers Linux to
>be the fullfillment of his mission to make Unix free, but he might be a
>bit unhappy that Linus is seen as the creator of something that couldn't
>have been pulled off without his help. Linux would be a sorry joke
>without GNU.
Can't wait to hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth with the first
release of the first Microsoft Linux CD.
- John
< > After reading some of the sentiments posted recently, what I'm
< > hearing is that the price of Altair's is a bubble without
< > underlying value, that is, they may be somewhat rare but aren't
< > really great machines, like a Ferarri or whatever, and that
< > the BASIC software for it wasn't very innovative.
<
<
< That's basically my view.
Same here. Historically important but generally poor design.
I'd say machines like the NorthStar Horizon, CCS 2xxx series and
CompuPro systems did more to put systems in business and other non
hobby applications. I have several old enough to vote and they still
run well.
< > Also the Altair was a very open hardware platform, you had
< > the schematics, you got the educational experience of
No one would have bought it without! Assembling it would have been far
harder too!
Hans Franke wrote:
>The Web-Disk runs perfectly on a 8 MB machine and I can't find any
>information to have 640K plus 8MB, which would be a rather unusual
>configuration for a PC, since you need a 12 SIMM slot board with
>8x1MB + 4x256K, And 256 KB SIMs have been only a very short
>time (back in the age of '286es and '386es) widely available.
What type of machine are you trying to boot it on? I've tried to run in on a
Compaq 486 33MHz with 8Mb. It goes through the booting process until it
reachs 100% and then states that the machine does not have enough memory to
run. Of course I have no idea about PC memory, the Amiga appears simple
compared to a PC :)
Also, the Compaq has a weird non-standard interface that connects the 3.5
IDE hard drive to the board. Does anyone know where you can find these type
of connectors in the UK. I've tried Compaq but they say that they haven't
had any of these for years.
--
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http://welcome.to/aig | "Shine on your star"
FYI
>To: "Jason Willgruber" <roblwill(a)usaor.net>
>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net>
>Subject: HP-HIL Re: OT HP vectra networking
>In-Reply-To: <01be219c$1fad04c0$bb8ea6d1@the-general>
>
>FYI
>
>
>Jason,
>
>At 08:43 PM 12/6/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>Hi!
>>
>>The connector on my Vectra has two dots on the 'cable' of the plug depicted
>>above the connector. I"m assuming that this means I can connect two devices
>>to the one connector?
>
> No, the two dots tells you which end of the HP_HIL cable to plug into
that port. They have nothing to do with how many things you can connect to
the port. The two ends of the cables are different electrically but the
same physically. You have to be sure and match the number of dots on the
socket with the number of dots on the plug that you plug into it. Most of
the HIL devices have two ports, one that goes back to the computer (maybe
through another device) and the second port lets you hang even more HIL
devices on the chain. Within limits, you can hang as many HP-HIL devices as
you like on the port. I think the only limitaion is the amount of power
that the computer can supply to the devices. Generally that means about 9
devices. However, most people only put a keyboard and mouse on there.
>>
>>What would you want for a mouse (someone offered me a keyboard for the cost
>>of shipping if he can get it)? Do I need any special drivers to the mouse,
>>or is it automatically recognized?
>
> It's recognized automaticly but some software won't use it. For example,
there's only one piece of software for the HP 150 Touch Screen II that will
use the mouse. I expect the newer HP-UX software will make more use of it.
>
> Joe
>>
>>ThAnX,
>>--
>> -Jason Willgruber
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, 8 December 1998 13:35
Subject: Re: WHOOPEE!
>If you think the first paragraph is bad, you should try the UK at about
>the same time. You had to rent the entire modem from the GPO (Post
>Office, who also ran the telephone system). And you had to have a
>'barrier box' (a box containing zeners and fuses) on the RS232 port of
>the modem, just in case your terminal decided to send mains down to the
>modem.
Australia was almost as bad. The then PMG Dept. (The phone 'company' was
part of the Post Office at that time) were rather hostile about plugging
anything but a phone in. Initially a "line isolation" unit was required
between any 3rd party device and the phone, and only a PMG technician could
install it. Eventually, they started to test and approve the modems etc
themselves, but it was virtually impossible to get anything homebuilt
through that process, since it involved providing examples for the PMG to
test to destruction by pouring enourmous voltages into them to ensure that
they would not permit said destructive voltage to reach the phone system.
Even now, we can't legally use modems that are not Austel approved, even if
they are ok under FCC or British Telecom regs. There was a time when lots
of BBS's ran illegal HST Modems, which were not imported into Australia, and
hence not type approved at the time.
Cheers
Geoff
Computer Room Internet Cafe
Port Pirie
South Australia.
netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au
My boss has just told me to get rid of the Fujitsu 9-track tape drive
that's been sitting unused in the corner of our machine room for the
past several years. It's about ten years old, its model number is
M2444A, and I think it uses an SMD interface. It's in a 5-foot-tall
rack. The bottom of the rack also contains three hard disks of unknown
capacity.
If you want it, you'll have to pick it up in Chicago. Is anyone interested?
eric
Still house cleaning. I scrapped an IBM 3274 but saved the floppy drive.
If anyone has a use for it, it's your's for $10 and shipping. It has a
connector for a ribbon cable and not the normal card edge connector and it
appears to be a double sided drive. I also have the manuals for the 3274
that I'll throw in.
Joe
The $12,000 bid DID actually happen. She didn't win the auction. I think no
one reached that particular auction price since the reserve was not met.
Anyways, its just a way to hype my website.. Heheh.
Daivd
While this might be considered more than a little off topic, I don't think
so, since a lot of us have classic computer documentation in the form of
MicroFiche. Does anyone know of a method of scanning this stuff into a
computer, or any idea as to what resolution of a scanner such a project
would require?
I've thought a 35mm slide scanner would work well, but I don't believe they
are constructed in such a manner that you could scan the fiche without
destroying it.
Zane
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Some time ago I mentioned a commodore 64 I'd been given and that I'd used the
mother board to experiment with washing the motherboard in the dishwasher with
favorable results. Well, today I finally got the replacement keyboard from
Creative Micro Designs (CMD) along with a cable to connect the thing to
a composite monitor I got with the thing. 10 minutes of surgery and I have
a functional c64 again. Celebrated by typing in the "Michael row your boat
ashore" program in the manual. Whee. :) Scarey thing is the catalog they
sent me, with all kinds of drives, a speedup system, hard disks, and so on.
I think I need to get rid of this machine before it sucks more money out of me.
--
Jim Strickland
jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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Joe:
Okay, I have something that may interest you. One of Northstar's
first products, was a floppy disk drive, that could be used with
Altairs (among others). I have a pair of these 5.25" drives in an
aluminum/wooden cabinet.
There are inscriptions inside giving dates that it was built up,
upgraded, etc. I don't remember the exact dates, but it seems that
it was built in 1977.
I have reason to believe the drives are original; one still has the
N* nameplate attached thereto. The wooden top cover is in decent
shape, has a small bit of wood chipped from a front corner.
If this is interesting, I can get more particulars-- especially
corrolation of the dates with the actual Altair/Imsai/N* product
release timelines.
Jeff
On Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:45:24 Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> writes:
>Jeff,
>
> That one is sold but I have another one that's still new in the bag.
> I'm
>looking for anything for my Altair, anything for my Tektronix 4051 or
>HP
>calculator or computer stuff. Machines, parts, manuals or whatever.
>
> Joe
>
>At 08:31 PM 12/8/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>Joe:
>>
>>I could sure use this. WHat sort of trades are you looking for?
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>On Tue, 08 Dec 1998 14:17:39 Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> writes:
>>>Commodore marked cable with a card edge connector on one end and a
>>>male/female GPIB connectors on the other. Contact me if interested.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>
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I could sure use this. WHat sort of trades are you looking for?
Jeff
On Tue, 08 Dec 1998 14:17:39 Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> writes:
>Commodore marked cable with a card edge connector on one end and a
>male/female GPIB connectors on the other. Contact me if interested.
>
> Joe
>
>
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I found an odd Apple keyboard yesterday. It says that it's an Apple
Adjustable keyboard. The main keyboard hinges in the middle and you can
bend it so that each half faces out at and angle. It also has an oversize
space bar. The numeric keypad is a separate piece and connects by cable.
Besides the numeric keys, it has cursor keys, 15 Pf keys and Help, Home,
End, Page Up and Page Down keys. The keyboard also came with an Apple
Desktop Bus Mouse II. Does anyone know anything about these? I've never
seen one before but they look pretty neat.
Joe
Saw this in comp.os.vms
I'd take it myself, but I'd have to mortgage the Town Hall to pay the
freight.
Anyone want a VERY well equipped, complete, older Vax, with loads of parts
and docs etc?
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Rankin <kentrankin(a)theatreorgans.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Date: Tuesday, 8 December 1998 18:01
Subject: What is a VAX 8350 fully loaded worth?
>
> A friend of mine has a VAX 8350 that he picked up recently. It's quite
>a large setup, to say the least. I was wondering if someone could tell me
>what I should get(at least) for it for him, and what I could get for it.
>Here's what it has:
>
> VAX 8350 with 2 processors
> SA482 Storage array loaded with 3 RA82(6.22MB) drives
That's a typo I think, they are 622Mb each. And 64KG!
> A giant 200amp power conditioner that looks just like the VAX
> A TU81-Plus Tape drive
> Two DMB32-M things. I think that they are multiplexors
> Anyone know about them?
> Two LA120 printers. One DA model, and one AA model.
> A LA75 printer
> A VT420 terminal(JA model)
> Five DECServer200/DL Terminal Servers. Anyone know what
> the DL stands for?
>
> I think that is all that is included, but I could be wrong. I'm
>notreally sure as to what cards are in it(besides the TU81 Plus'
interface).
>
> The box has absolutely TONS of packages from DEC on it with the
>licenses. The manuals are all there, and many of them have extras that are
>shrinkrapped. Many spare parts for the machine are new, and in DEC boxes,
>still wrapped. There are boxes and boxes of new manuals, to give you an
>idea.
>
> The machine was on maintenance until September of 1998. Plus, as an
>added bonus, it has the whole Y2k support package.
>I do know that all of the packages are very recent versions, and that
>OpenVMS 7.0 is loaded on it.
>
> It was used(until upgraded) with MANY terminals running off of it for
>basic business uses, and for calculating the lights(andtheir positions)
>needed in a stadium, and is in perfect condition.
>
> Anyhow, anyone have any ideas on the pricing? Perhaps a good outlet
for
>me to sell it?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Kent Rankin
Cheers
Geoff Roberts
Computer Systems Manager
Saint Marks College
Port Pirie South Australia.
My ICQ# is 1970476
Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile)
61-8-8633-0619 (Home)
61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct)
61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)
-----Original Message-----
From: Huw Davies <H.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, 9 December 1998 15:19
Subject: Re: VAX collectors attention
>Well, anyone passing is more than welcome to drop in and I'll provide a
>guided tour for free.
If I ever get to Melbourne again, I'll be sure and take you up on that. :^)
> In the near future I'm going to have the Fifth Annual
>Junk Room Clearance. I guess this will only be of interest to local readers
I guess I must be local on this scale. I'd be interested. :^)
>but I'll attempt to provide a list of what we plan to junk.
It will make interesting reading I'm sure.
Cheers
Geoff Roberts
Computer Systems Manager
Saint Marks College
Port Pirie South Australia.
My ICQ# is 1970476
Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile)
61-8-8633-0619 (Home)
61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct)
61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)
>From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com>
>
>I think the highest recorded sale for an Altair was around $5000, which
is
>still absurd, but only by an order of magnitude or so.
>
>-- Doug
It was exactly $5000, Doug. It was a pristine
perfect example.
But Uncle Sam will get well over $1K of it. So
think of it partly as a nice donation to your government
and all the good that money will do for us.
Bob Wood
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On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, "Barry A. Watzman" <Watzman(a)ibm.net> wrote:
> Myself and another individual are trying to find the source of a =
> magazine article which describes a modification to the IMSAI CP-A front =
> panel.
>
> The title of the article is "The Slow-Stepping Debugger" by Howard =
> Bendrot.
>
> We believe that it was published between 1976 and 1979, probably in =
> 1977. We believe it is likely that it was published in Kilobaud =
> Microcomputing magazine, and there is some suspicion that it may have =
> been on Page 60. But none of this is confirmed, and we don't have these =
> magazines to verify this.
>
> Can anyone identify the Magazine, issue and page number of this article =
> for certain ?
>
> Thanks,
> Barry Watzman
>
I have the article in front of me. It is indeed on p. 60 of Kilobaud,
issue #4, April 1977. It's a one-page description of how to alter the
single-step mode to add a slow-step capability (so you don't have to keep
pounding on the step switch).
Arlen
--
Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com
< Don't forget the S-100 bus was really invented at MITS on the Altair.
The mits version of it was not the most compatable version and by 79
it was the most incompatable version. It was a poorly conceived bus
and badly organized. The fact that systems worked using it was a result
of other vendors efforts to clean it up. Even MITS had to toss in the
towel and do an 8800B.
The signals on the 100 pin connector are identical to the intellec8I.
Allison
< Hell, Allison, your Horizon should be about old enough to drink.
< Legally, if silicon-based lifeforms had rights, and could get ID.
Officially the CPU and MDS disk are 21 as they were assembled in early
1977. The s100 crate was an early '78 assembly so that's only 20. It
turns 21 in two months. It's still in use.
Allison
< Us: Auntie Allison, tell us about the early days of microcomputing.
By then I was an Aunt...
< Allison: Well, in my day, we didn't have these fancy GUIs and Plug n Pla
Well we did, they were funny to look at so we didn't bother being learned
to read write and cypher.
< We had to write our own operating systems! And we had to haul ASR-33
Yes and it was fun to do. Even if we didn't have and assembler yet.
< terminals across bridges just so we could type in our programs. That is
It was only the boardwalk. But it was the pre-betting era so thre were
few profitiable things there.
< if you were lucky enough to find a terminal!
They abounded... uppercase only 1200 baud and expensive!!!!
< Usually we had to build our own from lights & switches...
Lots of lights... well they were leds and only red ones.
Of course that was when homebrewed was self assembled and not referring
to a microbrew. The latter was called programming fluid (coffee, beer
or Coke).
Allison
<
< Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar@sicon
< ------------------------------------------------------------------------
< Always being hassled by the man.
<
< Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
< See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
< [Last web site update: 12/07/98]
<
< Of course, to tie in the other Altair thread, the Intellec, for all it
< was the first CP/M machine, is nowhere near as valuable as an Altair...
Actually the altair disk system was rather hard to adapt to CPM and most
people used a non altair system for that.
Allison
At 01:50 PM 06-12-98 +1030, Geoff Roberts wrote:
I wrote:
>>Excuse me, I've still got one in production and a couple of spares in my
>>"spares" room....
>
>
>I think you should open your spares room to the public and charge admission.
>:^)
Well, anyone passing is more than welcome to drop in and I'll provide a
guided tour for free. In the near future I'm going to have the Fifth Annual
Junk Room Clearance. I guess this will only be of interest to local readers
but I'll attempt to provide a list of what we plan to junk.
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au
Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999
La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the
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On Tue, 8 Dec 1998 gram(a)cnct.com wrote:
> Yup. Linux Ain't Unix. It Ain't Minix. It ain't GNU, though it uses
> Stallman's Copyleft. Yes, every Linux distribution uses gagloads of
> GNU material, properly attributed, all source available, and Stallman
> has nothing to complain about except that people have been making
> money selling free software. (That's free as in something other than
> the price -- Open Source).
Why would he complain about that? I understand it may be against his
philosophy, and RedHat-like products may not be the best examples of Linux
(KDE is probably the worst example of Linux though it's getting shipped
with every major distribution...) but how does he expect GNU software to
get distributed? Someone has to make money along the line...what we need
is to get back to the old days when people shared tips on how to speed up
their computers by soldering in a couple of diodes. In those days, it
wasn't as necessary to ruin software in order to distribute it. I got to
use dial-up bulletin board systems for about three years, and I liked them
more than the commercial internet, which killed these off, and harmed the
sort of scientific-academic-university spirit that was previously more
common among computer users.
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Max Eskin | kurtkilgor(a)bigfoot.com | AOL: kurtkilgor
a PCjr version of a scsi card? if so, that's certainly a rarity! there wont be
much you can do with a cdrom on a jr unless you're reading your own cds. what
kind of write errors are you getting? have you tried clean booting using F5?
partition size <32meg?
In a message dated 12/7/98 10:25:44 PM EST, amirault(a)epix.net writes:
<< > I have one of the old IBM Edsels and I am currently trying to get the
> TMC850jr SCSI card I have to get a CDROM to work on it. Can anyone give me
> any
> clues as to how to do this? Can it be done at all?
>
> I also have the combo cartridge V3.0 in this machine and upgraded the
> harddrive from DOS 5.0 to DOS 6.22 and now I keep getting write errors when
> I
> try to install programs onto the harddrive. Any help here?
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> John Amirault >>
