- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 08:09 PM 12/15/98 -0600, Doug Yowza wrote: >Unfortunately, there's little correlation. I routinely spent that or more >on stock certificates, but that doesn't mean I hold them very long. Tony Duell said "Doesn't that rather depend who the people are?", and you say something similar, and I must say I agree - but my point is, unless you know something about the character of these buyers, you don't know whether they're planning on preserving the machine or not. To use my deflated Microsoft millionaire example, that person is perfectly capable of paying $6K for an Altair and then paying someone to insure it's up and running. Is the "Computer rescue squad" concept only good for acquiring machines, or is it for hire to help keep machines alive? If an old machine's ROMs fail while it's being held by a speculator, chances are they'll pay to have it fixed, if the price for a working machine is significantly higher. Overall, I think these (supposed) higher prices are a Good Thing for the preservation of old computers. It means fewer will be scrapped, and more people will know they should be saved, either for their cash value, or for their sentimental value, or both. And again I must emphasize, tales of these inflated sale prices are highly anecdotal and not fact-checked. Perhaps we should sooth our souls by believing these buyers are conscientious instead of uncaring. With the dearth of evidence or direct testimony, we might as well wear rose-colored glasses. >BTW, have you seen my Sol museum? > http://www.yowza.com/classiccmp/sol/ Hmm, good idea. The unscrupulous could set up fake computer museums, testifying to their good character, placing poor quality but honest photos showing the lovingly restored and maintained machines, and then beg for donations of cash and old computers. >I routinely spent that or more >on stock certificates, but that doesn't mean I hold them very long. You E*Trade speculators, you're destroying the good ol' stock broker lifestyle, playing day trader, denying an honest commission to a starving professional - and I bet you don't even care about the fate of Netscape or AOL or Xoom, do you, as long as you're making a profit? :-) - John

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Xerox

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

Well, I'm afraid I didn't understand your reply about how Star was better than other UIs, Hans (sorry I can't quote the message). I can't see how a UI could really completely obscure the hardware of a machine (I think that's what you meant). What if you need to save to a floppy disk? How do you obscure the physical machine in that? I haven't really looked at smalltalk, but here I have a 1983 issue of Popular Computing that describes it. It shows a sample which sadly makes little sense to an unenlightened one :( Is there a free version of Smalltalk for the PC that you would recommend for learning? How does smalltalk compare to LISP? I've got a book on LISP that I haven't looked through due to lack of time. Also, you said that OS/2 is more OO than others. Which version? I have 2.0 here and not only is it slower than molasses, it's basically the same as Windows 95 in terms of design, implementation, and so on. ---------------------------------------------------- Max Eskin | kurtkilgor(a)bigfoot.com | AOL: kurtkilgor

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OT but free*

by dburrows＠netpath.net

I just got a few 750's in without chargers and the batteries are dead. I would like to get this for my neice if possible. I got the thinkpads for them. I could give you my FEDX, Airborne, or UPS # if that would make things any easier. Please email me off list with your phone # so I can call to discuss. Thanks Dan Burrows 336-376-0468 dburrows(a)netpath.net >I've got an IBM Dock I that works with their Thinkpad laptops (750x series) >that is free to anyone who will pick it up in Sunnyvale CA, $10 + shipping >if you ask me to go down to UPS at this time of year :-) > >--Chuck > >

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"Single instance" machines

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

> From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > Subject: Re: "Single instance" machines > > > > And by the way, to catch up with the title - is there any > > > other Commodore B500 around, or a Pascal Microengine ? > > > I hear of more of the P/B500 in europe then here, actually in the U.S. I think > > there are maybe three or so around, since they never were oficially released > > past the late prototype stage (due to one of Commodore's run-ins with the > > FCC). Dunno how many (if any) they sold in europe. > > I never have seen any B500 beside mine, but I know the P500 > story - just the B500 is more like the B128/CBM 600. So no joystick ports, or VIC-II chip? Hmm, from examinging the PCB, I wonder if it is a universal design, cause there are a bunch of unused pads here and there (looks like it could sport 128k, and there was another connector pad (besides the co-processor one), maybe for more RAM? If anyone has a B-128 handy; pop it open, the joyport sockets would be in the far left-hand corner, (if you look from the 'front' of the board) I've been curious about this. :/ 0010111101101010011110000101001 > From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > Subject: Re: "Single instance" machines > > CBM 9000 aka MMF aka SuperPET - still kind of a dream for most > commo collectors (like the 900). Other than the most desired > rare Commodores, the 9000 was a production unit and supported. Also alot of schools (secondary and more so, colleges) bought them. 0001010110101001001001110101001010 Here is a clip from an E-Mail I had received from one of the 900 designers! > >> I worked for Commodore back in then. > > > >Must have been something, Commodore was doing pretty well in the home computer > >wars then. > > It was fun :-) I live in Denmark and we managed to put a C64 under every > other xmas-tree that one year (we assumed that every house had a tree) > > >> I notice you havn't got any of the CBM-900 computers ? > > > >I have never heard of them, I am assuming they are related to the 700 series? > >The only thing I got so far in that line (B/P series) is the P-500, rare in > >itself. Maybe one day I'll get more of those no rush though, I am a frugal > >collector. :) > > The 900 was probably commodores biggest mistake, they canned it you see. > It was a Z8001 based UNIX (Actually Mark Williams "Coherent") workstation > with a BW graphical display (I think it did close to 1M pixels). > > Unfortunately they had to choose between the 900 and the amiga, if they > had stuck to the 900 they would have owned the UNIX workstation market. > > The amiga wasn't bad either mind you. > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > /////////////// "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal 000101001010011010100100110 > From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> > Subject: Re: Value > Common classics are hard to come by around here -- the closest thing to > kinda rare I have is (that I know of): > > Trackball for an Atari 5200 (serial #786) > Commodore B-128 (local college garage sale) > 2 Superbrains (local college garage sale; anybody have boot disks???) > Tandy 600 (sent to me by a good friend in California 'cause it didn't work) > > I honestly don't know if these are actually rare... almost everything up > here is rare (to me) and all of this wild, wicked stuff like OSI > Challengers, Ohio Scientific, and who knows what... I don't think they are all that rare, but the B-128 and the Superbrains are probably a couple of the more interesting classic computers...

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RSX-11M site? Was: Re: Emulex doc archive site gone now . . .

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>So, to get to the theme of the revised Subject line, anybody know of a similar >RSX-11M resource online? I'm not sure exactly what you want when you mean "similar", but all the RSX-11 DECUS SIG tapes are online at ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/rsx/decu… You'll find the index to each SIG tape there, as well as the outputs of a few useful searches (like a search for all references to the MultiTasker newsletter.) >For that matter, who are the on-list RSX-11 experts (like our Megan is to >RT-11)? If you want to know about industrial process control under RSX-11M, I can point you to a few good resources. Be prepared to pay between $100 and $200/hr for the experts. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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anyone need a C64?

by pctech＠davidbowie.com

How about $25.00 for both. -----Original Message----- From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com <SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 7:54 PM Subject: anyone need a C64? >ive got two i want to sell. one has the standard brown keys, but the other has >white keys instead and a white power supply. the insert/del key is broken off, >but included. the C64 with the normal colours is complete. either one will >come with a power supply. both presumed working, but i have not a video cable >to verify video. make a whimsical offer including shipping from NC. > >david

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OT Netscape help was Re: Neat time-wasters for DEC enthusiasts

by Watzman＠ibm.net

OK, I'm having a problem with the list server. What do I send to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu to get the digest form instead of individual messages ? I'm apparently getting the syntax wrong (I'm trying "Set classiccmp digest") Thanks, Barry Watzman

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SOL feeding frenzy?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/16/98 9:01:17 AM EST, Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de writes: << Doug der Sandl?we. (Sandlion ? I don't know the exact english term. It is a small insect, that digs a hole into sand, like a funnel/crater and waits on below the ground until an ant or similar creature steps into the hole and is traped by the sliding sand :) Gruss Hans >> also called antlion, or doodle-bug down here in the south, LOL.

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Computer paint jobs (was Re: SOL feeding frenzy?)

by roblwill＠usaor.net

>Y'know, many times I've thought of painting computers, but never to >"fake" a classic, merely to make a computer I liked look good. For >instance, I never liked the dingy (and getting dingier every year) >off-white color of the TRS-80 Model 16 and most later Tandy >equipment. I always thought a Model 4, a 6000HD or a Tandy 2000 >would benefit greatly with a trip to the local Earl Scheib outlet >for some nice metalflake or pearlescent coating. No chrome. >-- I have a Compaq laptop that I had repainted because it was all covered from some sort of soot or something. It's not black, with silver accents. I had another computer that someone actually DID have chrome plating put on it (I don't know how). It was a Tandy 1110HD laptop. It looked pretty neat, after a black keyboard was put into it. Unfortunately, it was dropped, and the screen shattered (I was letting someone borrow it). I got it back, didn't worry about it much, because I never really used it that often. I eventually ended up selling it for $30 at a flea market, as-was because I found out it wasn't really worth it to get a new screen for it. Now, if it was an 1800, I would have bought a new screen for it... -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

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SOL feeding frenzy?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:46 PM 12/15/98 -0600, Doug Yowza wrote: >That's an idea. Do you think there's a greed gene we could test for? >The point was that there's more than one motivation for selling something, >and money alone isn't always it. If someone paid $6,000 for something, and someone else paid $100, which person is more likely to preserve the something? >I have no problem with high prices being paid, but I have problems with >high prices being *publicized* because it directly affects me and the >hobby in a negative way. >We can no longer assume that everybody on this list is >interested in the preservation of old computers, so it doesn't make sense >to offer "special" deals here with the expectation that the machines will >get "special" treatment. You know the joke about the guy who goes to the doctor and says "It hurts when I do this" and the doctor says "Don't do that"? Well, you're right. You can't expect to make a public announcement and somehow control the outcome after the sale. If someone really wants to preserve a system, would it be so hard as to hand-pick someone to get it? Let's say you had an old Terak. You do a simple web search and see this nice guy in Wisconsin with a Terak museum web page, and you decide to give it to him instead of selling it on eBay for $10,000. Problem solved. Oh, but wait you say - we aren't talking about people who want to preserve systems, we're talking about people who want to sell them and get as much money as possible for the transaction. >But this isn't a rant about prices, it's about expectations of behavior in >this "community." There is no community. You've been believing too many techno-pagans in the pages of Wired. :-) At 12:43 PM 12/15/98 -0800, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: >I feel compelled to point out that I know all of the classic computer >collectors here, and I am only aware of one millionaire in the world ever >paying stupid prices for old junk, and he's the founder of some independent >web design company, he does not work for MS. I wasn't thinking of anyone in particular. Sorry about that. I recalled someone else complaining that some xxxx(a)microsoft.com bidder was walking away with systems on eBay, and assumed it was true. > I am not aware of anyone who is _buying and >selling_ classic computers for a profit. There's the Bob guy, the antique reseller, right? Good for him. At 04:19 PM 12/15/98 -0500, Max Eskin wrote: >That right there is a very important statement, on par with "Carthago >delenda est". I agree with you completely. What do you think you can wipe out, and how? >I guess the old days of >innocence are gone. It's not just an Enrico Tedeschi every few months, >there are actually people trying to make money off this hobby. Hobby? Who said it was a hobby? There are obviously some people on this list who have made it their life's work. - John

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Value

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:14 PM 12/13/98 -0800, you wrote: >So assuming you had, lets say, the Polymorphic Business plan, how would you >put a value on it? While I don't know how many were made let alone still Surely you realize that anything Sam doesn't have is worth $5 max, while anything he has more than 2 of is worth thousands... 8^) >more likely to be found in those areas than areas like, lets say, the >Michigan Upper Pennisula (sp?.) So what is the difference in availability >of something between the two areas? How would that affect the price (value) >of a given item in the two areas? It's not so much the item's location as it is the *buyer's* location. I go to a fair number of antique shows (no computers yet) looking for Donald Duck stuff. I also go to Disneyland a fair bit. I regularly see things like buttons, flatware, stuffed animals for sale at shows for twice what they are *currently* available for at the park. Justification? The buyers aren't at Disneyland. They have the choice of paying $20 for an stuffed Donald Duck that is marked $12 on the tag, or buying a $50+ plane ticket and a $35+ Disneyland ticket to get the same item. Similary, people who aren't here in the valley, or aren't able to spend all day running around to thrift shops instead of working, are willing to pay a little more. I live in San Francisco, which should be pretty good for finding old computers, but I have to work for a living, and when I'm not working, I spend my time with either my dad or my girlfriend (or both.) So, what little free time I have available to me is usually the wee hours in the morning, and the only place open is eBay. Other people may have other reasons for not scouring 200 thrift shops/day: physical challenges, location, lack of knowledge, etc. Also, some folks may not be looking for something for the same reasons -- sure, we collect 'em, and may even play with 'em, but there are people out there who actually *use* old computers (like someone's friend with the HX-20) and may not even consider the fact that other people would consider them thrift shop fodder. So while the ideal thing to do is find your SOL's and Altairs at your neighborhood garage sales or church bazaars for $5, not everyone is able to do that. Saying they're stupid because of it, or unreasonable, is unfair. P.S., there are a lot of people out there who would think all of us insane for spending any amount on old computers, not to mention filling our homes and offices with them. Likewise, I've had people look at me strange when I've admitted paying several dollars for a single clothing button, or hundreds of dollars for some old toy. To some, my mother's prize Steinway piano is no better than her old Baldwin Acrosonic, and would be just as happy with the piano patch on their sound card. Chaque a' son gout, the lady said as she kissed the cow. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Emulex doc archive site gone now . . .

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Well, I guess we lost an RSX document resource for some reason. http://rsxbbs.delconet.com/ has a shouting message and graphic: "Due to negative comments by posters to vmsnet.pdp-11, the RSX BBS was decommissioned on 13 December 1998. There are no plans to restore the service. Some material will be moved to a commercial site. Previous donors should contact the Webmaster to arrange return of their equipment or documents. " I cannot keep up with Usenet groups for lack of time. Anybody know what the 'negative comments' were about that I (we) missed? There were some Emulex docs posted there I wanted to check again (at URL: http://rsxbbs.delconet.com/docs/emulex/index.html). Any other location?? Thanks, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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ebay intrusion

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Sorry about the ebay intrusion. I queried them to find out how to do a search on the description and forgot I was doing it from within the list. I seem to be able to search only by title, number, buyer, seller and completed titles. Paxton

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Commodore 64/64C?

by brain＠mail.jbrain.com

I have done this on a 64C case here. It requires a little surgery (minor), but nothing serious. The 64 MB is preferred since it has sockets and uses a 6581 SID, not the cost reduced 8580 SID that has broken filters. Jim In article <c=USa=IBMX400p=HFCl=EXCHANGE01-980915164143Z-198853(a)exchange01.hersheys.com>, "Salzman, Jeff" <jsalzman(a)hersheys.com> wrote: >Mostly, there are some motherboard design difference between the two. >However, it is known that you can actually swap the boards between the >two if you preferred one case over another and have a bad unit. There >were at least 4 different board revisions, so some boards may not move >to another case. Another thing you might notice is the power supply >connector is different. There was a connector redesign between the newer >(aka 'flat C64') and older (aka 'Breadbox') C64's. The flat 64 has a >square connector where the breadbox 64 has a round one. The flat 64 also >has a different component layout due to IC consolidation. Maybe those >newer chip designs are what's overheating your system. Or it could be >the fact that the parts are closer to the outside of the case. > >I'm toying with the idea of swapping boards in my systems. I only heard >that it can be done. I want a functional version of each and I have 2 >working flat units and 7 dead breadboxes (of which I salvaged parts from >to get an SX-64 working). For my display units, I would like one of each >design in working order. > >Hope this helps, >Jeff Salzman > >>I was wondering, what is the difference between a regular Commodore 64 and a >>64C? I've got one of each, and everything seems identical other than that the >>64C looks like a 128. (Well, one other difference is that the 64C overheats >>after about an hour or so...) >> > -- -- *********** A NOTE FROM JIM BRAIN ******************************************** I would like to apologize for the lateness in replying to your letter or note. Please do not take offense at the lack of a reply from myself. The Brain family has had some very extenuating circumstances throughout the 1998 year. At the close of 1997, my wife became gravely ill while in her first trimester of pregnancy with our son. To support my wife's needs, I switched the www.jbrain.com web site, ftp.jbrain.com FTP site and mail.jbrain.com listserver to autopilot and discontinued all online activities, including FAQ maintenance, responses to email requests, and other demands for my time. I also shut down Brain Innovations, Inc., our side business. My wife's health improved by March of 1998, and in June 19, 1998, Brent Harrison Brain came into the world at 7:50 AM. However, at 5 pounds, 3 ounces, Brent was 5 weeks early and a bit of a preemie. We were very ecstatic at the arrival. A few weeks later, Brent, who had not learned how to nurse very well, weighed in at 4 pounds and was sent to the neonatal ICU to stabilize his weight and regain lost fluids. The cause was his underdeveloped "sucking" instinct, which is common in preemies. Brent quickly stabilized and he was sent home within 3 days. I am happy to report that Brent has now learned all he needed to get food and now tips the scale at 15 pounds. Abaout this time, my commercial Internet Service Provider upgraded some application libraries on my server (which I share with many others) and broke the entire www.jbrain.com. It took from June 1 to July 1 to fix the problem, which eventually led to the migration of the jbrain.com domain to a new server with upgraded scripting tools, rendering the old www.jbrain.com unusable. I then started working on a replacement. I was able to get email and mailing lists back in operation before my wife and I (Brent was at home with my parents) were involved in a broadside collision while on our first "date" after the birth. I was left unhurt, but my wife sustained bruises and broken bones. Due to the breastfeeding, she was unable to take adequate medication, and her immobility made taking care of our son a impossible task. With some regret, I packed her and my son off with my parents to drive 10 hours to IL, where my wife's mother would care for both of them. I stayed at our house to direct the replacement of our totaled Saturn automobile In early August, my wife and son returned to Nebraska, but it took a few months for my wife injuries to heal to the point where she could care for our son during the day alone and withut discomfort. The events of the past 7 months caused us both to "withdraw" from the world in some respects. I have let email and web maintenance go without intervention, while we've both been slow to start back into any projects or start up our side business again. However, we are finally feeling better able to tackle the many demands on our time and the many hobbies we enjoy. My hope is that we can start out 1999 with a clean slate and forget about our many trials in 1998. We will, though, always remember 1998 as the year our son came to us (but I hope that is all we remember from it). I am happy to report that as of December 7, 1998, Brent is doing great, my wife is hoping to make a full recovery (though her back and feet still hurt occasionally). I am finally finishing some projects around the house and finding time and the energy to restart enjoying my hobbies and my online presence. As I write this, I am preparing to work my wife through 9 months of accumulated email from mail.jbrain.com. If you have sent me more than one message, please excuse the redundancy of the note when you receive it additional times. For simplicity sake, this is my .signature file for the next few weeks. We appreciate the responses we have received from folks during our trials. However, please do not feel it necesary to respond to this message, at least not for a few weeks. Doing so now will simply put more email in my inbox, of which I have plenty at present. Merry Christmas to everyone, and look for the Brain Christmas Letter on our web site. Jim Brain (and family) -- Jim Brain, Embedded System Designer, Brain Innovations, Inc. (BII)(offline sig) bii(a)mail.jbrain.com "Above views DO reflect my employer, since I'm my employer" Dabbling in WWW, Embedded Systems, Old CBM computers, and Good Times! -Me- BII Home: http://www.jbrain.com CBM Info: http://www.jbrain.com/vicug/

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SOL feeding frenzy?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 08:09 PM 12/15/98 -0600, you wrote: > >BTW, have you seen my Sol museum? > http://www.yowza.com/classiccmp/sol/ > >-- Doug AARGH!!! a guilt trip! (and well done I might add) -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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anyone need a C64?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

ive got two i want to sell. one has the standard brown keys, but the other has white keys instead and a white power supply. the insert/del key is broken off, but included. the C64 with the normal colours is complete. either one will come with a power supply. both presumed working, but i have not a video cable to verify video. make a whimsical offer including shipping from NC. david

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Info on Laser 128

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/15/98 10:03:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time, pctech(a)davidbowie.com writes: > > Someone i know came across this machine and asked if i could restore it.It > is a Laser 128 I know it is an Apple II clone but what else can anyone tell > me about it.I have cleaned this thing out(it was filthy)But cant start it up > because i have no power cord to do so any info will be of great help > > Brian if it's just the laser 128 and not an ex model, then it's pretty much a //c wannabe. ive heard it said that a //c power supply will get it working but i've never verified it. the slot on the left side can take an option card like a disk ][ controller. IIRC, control-open apple-P or control-reset-P gets you into control panel. david

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PDP-11/24 bootup w/9312

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>>S1= ON Boot to ODT 165xxx >>S1=off Boot selected device 173xxx >>s2=off for 11/24 use >>s3 through s10 are starting add. > >S1 is set so that 1 thru 8 is 'OFF' and 9 + 10 are 'ON' as I found it. 9+10 means boot 173006 diagnose on (sizes memory etc.) > -- snip -- >>I am surprised you have the M9312 in that machine since you have 1 meg of >>memory. Normally you would put the boot rom on the KT24 (M7134) and use >>just a M9302 terminator. correction 01000000 = 256k bytes /128k words sorry old age I guess >Then Tim Shoppa replied: > >>I am surprised you have the M9312 in that machine since you have 1 meg of >>memory. Normally you would put the boot rom on the KT24 (M7134) and use >>just a M9302 terminator. > >Normally, yes, that's what you'd do. But it is possible to use >more than 256 K without the KT24 memory map/bootstrap module, assuming >your OS never tries to do I/O to memory past 256 K. For example, >RT-11 SJ, where the extra memory is used as a virtual (VM:) disk >drive. > > >Well, this machine has just a single M7891-DH with 128 KW of MOS RAM. Tim, >I assume you meant 256K *bytes*? :) > >There is no KT24 in this machine. It's kinda scrawny featurewise for such a >machine. Not even a DD11-DK expansion backplane is installed. Has two >RL02's in the cabinet. Came out of Case Western Reserve university so it >could have been hacked to make a 'smaller' system for instructional use or >just for lab use. Still has the UDA50 boardset for SDI disks but no SDI >"DU" boot ROM (767A9). Who knows <shrug> . . . > >Anyway, the lack of a KT24 explains why a 9312 was used instead of the 9302. > >BTW: after flicking the boot switch, about how many minutes should it take >to do the prelim. tests before any evident booting action takes place? I >just see the # of bytes of memory displayed ("@01000000") and a few >flickers of the "Ready" light on the RL02. Should start booting shortly (less than 30 sec.after mem size displayed) I waited at least five minutes >or more several times. After thinking I've waited long enough to grow old >waiting, I Halt the processor and "@1013" is written to the display. Could >there be a hang? (Got simple info out of my RT-11 5.1 manuals on how to >boot an 11/24 just this AM. Stumbled upon it, actually.) I don't know about RT - all my experience is with RSX11M+ but I would guess that it is not seeing the boot sectors. IE: try another platter. Before inserting another disk check / clean the heads, check the old platter for those nasty rings. Dan >

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SOL feeding frenzy?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Ok... being somewhat bemused by the thoughts of a 'feeding frenzy', and sadly short on $$ (as is all too common this time of year), and not wanting to be accused of 'selling out' on eBay without offering to the more civilized set first, and... (etc., etc., etc...) Let's chuck another (yule) log into the flames and see how badly I get scorched with this one... (quite the build up, eh?) --- Deemed (reluctantly) surplus to the collection: SOL-20, electronically restored and keyboard rebuilt w/ P.T. 16kra memory card - AND - (so the eBay set does not feel left out) *RARE* original Panasonic B/W TV/Monitor conversion from P.T. with touch-plate power switch! --- Not that I want to start a bidding war (or then again, why not?) so lets say that it could be had for $600 plus shipping, with a possibility of part/all trade for something similarly really cool! (tho I could really use the $$$) Then, if the feeding frenzy really starts, folks can start openly bidding up the "ham sandwich"! B^} "Call now! This offer only good thru noon PST Friday, 18-December-1998 or while supplies last! This offer may not be repeated! Operators are standing by!" (quickly donning the flameproof 'Santa' suit) -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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"Video Brain" circa 77-78?

by museum＠techniche.com

Interestingly, one of these sold on ebay yesterday. The photo is still there right now, but will probalby go away shortly. Jon see: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=48594741 ======================================================= >cswiger wrote: > >> Anyone heard of a product called the "Video Brain" circa 77-78? >> >> Regards >> Chuck >> cswiger(a)widomaker.com > >I have one of these computers/Game machines. I have looked everywhere >and have never found any information about them anywhere. > >Do you have one? > >Do You know anything about them ? > >My Video Brain is black, about the size of a commodore 64, has a full >keyboard, >cheap keyboard almost chicklet type. It has two nice joysticks, several >application >cartridges, I also have several manuals for it. Its very clean, but does >not work.. >Like I said I know nothing about this machine and have found out nothing >anywhere about it.. > >Phil... >

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Keywords are not false advertising

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 05:41 PM 12/13/98 EST, you wrote: >search engine. Search engines use keywords. Finding the right keywords that First off, I know of no search engine that keeps on top of eBay other than eBay's own search engine. I doubt people are using AltaVista to find stuff on eBay. >The question then becomes "What do I list this as, that will trip the keywords >that people search for?" You end up packing the limited space for the >description with keywords that are only related to the item you are selling. I think you are confusing the description and the title. The title is what shows up on the listing pages (45 chars max) while the description (no limit, can include HTML) shows up only on the actual item page. With that clarification... EBay's search engine allows for searching the description as well as the title. If you are looking for Donald Duck stuff (for example) and you only search titles, you'll miss a lot of good items. An item with a title of "disney toothbrush holders" doesn't mention Donald, but the description did. (Bought the set of 6 for $10, gave the Donald one to Rachel, sold the other five for $25.) My recomendation is to make your *title* as descriptive and readable as possible: "Donald Duck in a red car" and then, in the description, include things like "made by Sun Rubber" and "has Goofy in the rumble seat" to catch the folks searching for Sun Rubber or Goofy items. People just looking through the category listings will see the title, and may find it interesting enough to look at. If you put "sun rubber donald duck goofy red car" as your title, you'll lose the folks going through the category and won't get many more searchers. And one of the most silly things I've seen is to put "for sale" in the title -- Duh! That's only slightly worse than the people who put, simply, "laptop computer" as the title of something in the portable computers category. >We are at the beginning of a revolution, I don't think anyone knows where it >will shake out. The only beginning bit is a new collectible: computers. Everything else is old hat (even the auction format). --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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ebay methods...

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 04:50 PM 12/13/98 -0600, you wrote: >A sophisticated bidder doesn't browse. He knows what he's looking for and >has "canned" searches built-up that include keywords and even common >mispellings. Science, I tell you! Dunno about that... I regularly go through the full Portables section, and the "ending today" listings for a couple other categories. Donald Duck, I search for. Portable computers, there are no good keywords. Of course, the really sophisticated bidder simply keeps an eye on what other, known bidders are bidding on... 8^) (And disguises his own activity with lots of Donald Duck bids.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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SOL feeding frenzy?

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 yowza(a)yowza.com wrote: > this "community." We can no longer assume that everybody on this list is > interested in the preservation of old computers, so it doesn't make sense That right there is a very important statement, on par with "Carthago delenda est". I agree with you completely. I guess the old days of innocence are gone. It's not just an Enrico Tedeschi every few months, there are actually people trying to make money off this hobby. > -- Doug > ---------------------------------------------------- Max Eskin | kurtkilgor(a)bigfoot.com | AOL: kurtkilgor

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Saw Ad for "Wierd Science" Computer

by rcini＠msn.com

Marvin: I don't have one of these, although I'd probably like one. Mostly just curious as to the hardware capabilities, software available, how long it was sold, etc. [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:22:33 -0800 From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Saw Ad for "Wierd Science" Computer Message-ID: <3675ABC9.85B1BFA6(a)rain.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard A. Cini, Jr. wrote: > > Hello, all: > > While looking through 1984 Bytes. I came across an ad for the computer > used in the bedroom scene in "Wierd Science". It's the Memotech MTX512. It's > a sleek black unit and appears to be based on the Z80A. > > Does anyone know anything about these? Not too much. I have one in mint condition that IIRC includes the manuals, etc. I was given about a year ago but haven't done anything with it. Anything in particular you would like to know?

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Kaypro BASIC

by cswiger＠wilma.widomaker.com

Hi all: While looking thru surplus last weekend didn't find much, but 3 semi-interesting items: 1) Microsoft Basic referance manual for Kaypro, complete instructions for 8K, extended and disk basic, for 8080, 8085, and Z80 w/ CP/M. As the twig is bent so the tree inclines - you can see some destested qualities of MS in there, esp. the 'embrace and extend' philosophy, and the extensive product liability disclaimer while claiming to be high quality software at the same time. Got it at their usual buck a book price. 2) A PCJr. rom cart game from the "IBM Entertainment Division", in box w/ instructions, something about a Farmer, mouse and cheese. Probably pretty cheesy game but "IBM Entertainment" sounds like an oxymoron to me, priced at $4. Left it there. 3) Also a TI 700 silent writer. Anyone heard of a product called the "Video Brain" circa 77-78? Regards Chuck cswiger(a)widomaker.com

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SOL feeding frenzy?

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: > on condition that I don't try to sell them. If machines start selling for > high prices, then the donors are less likely to believe that I want them There is another issue. Many people simply want money for their machine on account of the way _they_ feel about it. Here in a Jan'96 classifieds magazine, Apple ][s, C-64s, XTs are selling for $200 or more. This is before eBay. I kept this magazine for 2 years for the sole purpose of comparing prices. > -tony > ---------------------------------------------------- Max Eskin | kurtkilgor(a)bigfoot.com | AOL: kurtkilgor

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of topics

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Whilst enjoying the repartee on the list, I am writing to suggest that some consideration to the subject headings be made. It would be nice to see more appropriate headings added/changed when the topic wanders. Especially when the archives come into consideration - browsing 100 messages called "A nifty demo", when in fact very few of them relate to that topic, is very time consuming :) Cheers A

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A nifty demo

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi, ---------- > From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > And beside that - if I use a display with some > 3 to 4 megapix on a modern PC, drawing isn't realy > faster than on the Star 20 years ago. "3 to 4 megapix", you're talking about very modern PCs ... ;-)) cheers, emanuel

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Neat time-wasters for DEC enthusiasts

by H.Davies＠latrobe.edu.au

At 08:40 PM 14-12-98 -0800, Aaron Christopher Finney wrote: >The first is about retro-computing on digital.com's main site: > >http://www.digital.com/info/DTJN02/DTJN02HM.HTM Well I guess most DEC users will know who Bob Supnik is but perhaps not Max Burnet. Max was one of the first Australian Digital employees and rose to become General Manager (or some such title) for Australia. He was replaced a couple of years later by a salesman (Max is a techie) but stayed with Digital until his retirement a couple of years ago. Max is famous for his museum of old Digital gear and at each Australian DECUS he would have an exhibit of something of interest. The last one I recall was a PDP-9 still in its shipping crate. It had gone (new) to New Zealand, never been opened and Max got it shipped back something like 15 years later. Max is, apart >from being a nice guy, a member of the Australian DECUS NOP SIG (NOP = Nostalgic and Obsolete Products). I've tried a couple of times to get him to join this mailing list and as far as I know he hasn't (although he could be lurking...). Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999 La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the Melbourne Australia 3083 | air, the sky would be painted green"

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SIMM Mods

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

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SOL feeding frenzy?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 01:51 PM 12/15/98 -0600, Doug Yowza wrote: >There's no guarantee that somebody who buys here won't >resell it on ebay or elsewhere for more. [...] then I think a simple >contract could be drawn up to help ensure that, and those conditions could >be stated in the ad. What's next, purity tests and monthly check-ups to insure that everyone's mind and body are innocent enough to own and sell old computers? If some Microsoft millionaire wants to pay stupid prices for old junk, what'ya gonna do, resort to vigilante indoctrination until they're willing to waste weekends searching thrift stores? There's no use getting upset about the right edge of the bell curve of Altair prices. - John

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SOL feeding frenzy?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| -----Original Message----- | From: Max Eskin [mailto:kurtkilg@geocities.com] | Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 1:20 PM | To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers | Subject: Re: SOL feeding frenzy? | | there are actually people trying to make money off this hobby. I hear this a lot, but I think it's just collectors like us whining (yeah, whining, I'm guilty too) of prices for this stuff going up past the junk range. While I do not dispute that there are folks who have had some machine(s) in their closet/garage/warehouse for some time, find out that it's worth money now, and pop it onto eBay, I am not aware of anyone who is _buying and selling_ classic computers for a profit. Kai

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SOL feeding frenzy?

by Marty＠itgonline.com

I've been collecting radios, televisions, and computer equipment for some years. I've bought and sold lots of different radios and televisions, always to buy yet another more coveted radio or television. I don't have the disposable income necessary to collect everything I want and regardless of available resources, my interests have changed over the years. What once bowled me over may have grown passe` to me now. Anyway, I've funded the purchase of new and to myself, better gear by selling off what I am no longer in love with or just plain bored with. I have made a profit on some of what I've sold, taken a loss on others. I've been able to better my collection without denying my children milk and clothing this way. Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: SOL feeding frenzy? Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 12/15/98 4:40 PM | -----Original Message----- | From: Max Eskin [mailto:kurtkilg@geocities.com] | Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 1:20 PM | To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers | Subject: Re: SOL feeding frenzy? | | there are actually people trying to make money off this hobby. I hear this a lot, but I think it's just collectors like us whining (yeah, whining, I'm guilty too) of prices for this stuff going up past the junk range. While I do not dispute that there are folks who have had some machine(s) in their closet/garage/warehouse for some time, find out that it's worth money now, and pop it onto eBay, I am not aware of anyone who is _buying and selling_ classic computers for a profit. Kai ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Dec15.164040.1767.85052; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:40:40 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA02357; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:38:16 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA18554 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:38:12 -0800 Received: from mail2.microsoft.com (mail2.microsoft.com [131.107.3.124]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA24 390 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:38:11 -0800 Received: by mail2.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <Y950V3TR>; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:38:07 -0800 Message-Id: <FFD1BA74C6A7D111A09500805F9F88F5024CF9BF@RED-MSG-43> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:38:03 -0800 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: SOL feeding frenzy? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-To: "'classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu'" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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Saw Ad for "Wierd Science" Computer

by rcini＠msn.com

Hello, all: While looking through 1984 Bytes. I came across an ad for the computer used in the bedroom scene in "Wierd Science". It's the Memotech MTX512. It's a sleek black unit and appears to be based on the Z80A. Does anyone know anything about these? [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

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FSOT: Core memeory baord

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I found another core memory board. This looks like it's also for the Data General 800 but the name on it is Keronix. It says that it's 16K x 16. For sale or trade, best offer. E-mail me privately. Joe

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tektronics 503 scope

by Watzman＠ibm.net

The 465 series are generally considered to be excellent scopes. Tony was right, $600 is about the going rate, neither a bargain nor a ripoff (depending to a degree on the condition of the scope). When looking at a square wave, it is normal for the horizontal tops and bottoms to be brighter/thicker than the vertical segments. The linear speed of the beam when drawing the vertical lines is MANY times (sometimes hundreds or thousands of times) faster (in mm/second of beam travel) than when drawing the horizontal tops and bottoms, which results in a difference in the nature of the display. Barry Watzman ---------- From: Tony Duell [SMTP:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 2:29 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: tektronics 503 scope > > So, what's your (or anyone else's, for that matter) opinion on the Tek > 465B? I bought a used one as a Christmas gift for my partner; with two _Very_ nice portable 'scopes. I never owned one, but I've used the 465, 466, 453, etc and I like them a lot. > probes, an original manual, and shipping, it was around $600. It That is about the 'going rate', I think. Not a bargain price IMHO, but not high either. And considering that's what you'd pay for a cheap new no-name 'scope, I'd much rather have the Tek. > appears to work fine except that when I connect the probes to the > square-wave calibration output, the horizontal portions of the waves > seem to be much "thicker" vertically than they should be. The vertical Does the thickness depend on the vertical attenuation (is it noise coming in from somewhere)? Can you resolve any structure to it by fiddling with the timebase (in other words could it be noise on the supply lines from somewhere - noise which almost certainly isn't at line frequency). What does the spot look like in X-Y mode with no signal? > Anyone know if there's another adjustment I'm missing? I've only got > the user's guide - not the service manual. =20 I can't think of another adjustment, but it's worth getting the service manual and going through the performance checks in there. And also checking for supply ripple, etc (yes, a second 'scope is worth having at this point...) -tony

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PDP-11/24 bootup w/9312

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>Anybody have a newer M9312 tech manual which describes the S1 settings for >this beast? The boot ROM (in U20) is a 23-774F1 and I'm trying to boot >RL01's and RL02's (device boot ROM -751A9). My manual is EK-M9312-TM-001, >so it's the first edition. > >I'm unsuccessful in getting this machine to boot even though it had been >said to have worked before I got it. Hardware config is the same as when I >got it but I want to just make sure I was told correctly that it worked. >Have to verify S1 switch settings as a beginning. S1= ON Boot to ODT 165xxx S1=off Boot selected device 173xxx s2=off for 11/24 use s3 through s10 are starting add. >Flipping the Halt/Cont/Boot switch to Boot causes some flickering of the >RL02 drives' Ready light as if there could be some activity. But it stops >after about 20-30 seconds and the VT100 shows just "@01000000" and is >locked. Manual booting by entering 173000G just shows some register info >such as "@ 1010" on the next line. Try 173004g or R0/ x Where X is the device # you want to boot from (0,1 etc. depending on what unit has the system pack in.) Then 173012g it will size memory as above then boot selected unit. I am surprised you have the M9312 in that machine since you have 1 meg of memory. Normally you would put the boot rom on the KT24 (M7134) and use just a M9302 terminator. I think I have a second 11/24 system technical manual around here but I can't find it at the moment. I will keep my eyes open for it in the meantime. It is to thick to readily copy and I use it to often supporting several customers that are still running them in production to loan my only copy. Dan

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SOL feeding frenzy?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| -----Original Message----- | From: John Foust [mailto:jfoust@threedee.com] | Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 12:21 PM | To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers | Subject: Re: SOL feeding frenzy? | | If some Microsoft millionaire wants to pay stupid prices for | old junk, what'ya gonna do I feel compelled to point out that I know all of the classic computer collectors here, and I am only aware of one millionaire in the world ever paying stupid prices for old junk, and he's the founder of some independent web design company, he does not work for MS. Kai

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PDP-11/24 bootup w/9312

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I am surprised you have the M9312 in that machine since you have 1 meg of >memory. Normally you would put the boot rom on the KT24 (M7134) and use >just a M9302 terminator. Normally, yes, that's what you'd do. But it is possible to use more than 256 K without the KT24 memory map/bootstrap module, assuming your OS never tries to do I/O to memory past 256 K. For example, RT-11 SJ, where the extra memory is used as a virtual (VM:) disk drive. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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SOL feeding frenzy?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Hey Jim, is that the PT monitor I tried to trade you for, but you said you were too attached to? <grin> Kai -----Original Message----- From: James Willing [mailto:jimw@agora.rdrop.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 10:18 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: SOL feeding frenzy? Ok... being somewhat bemused by the thoughts of a 'feeding frenzy', and sadly short on $$ (as is all too common this time of year), and not wanting to be accused of 'selling out' on eBay without offering to the more civilized set first, and... (etc., etc., etc...) Let's chuck another (yule) log into the flames and see how badly I get scorched with this one... (quite the build up, eh?) --- Deemed (reluctantly) surplus to the collection: SOL-20, electronically restored and keyboard rebuilt w/ P.T. 16kra memory card - AND - (so the eBay set does not feel left out) *RARE* original Panasonic B/W TV/Monitor conversion from P.T. with touch-plate power switch! --- Not that I want to start a bidding war (or then again, why not?) so lets say that it could be had for $600 plus shipping, with a possibility of part/all trade for something similarly really cool! (tho I could really use the $$$) Then, if the feeding frenzy really starts, folks can start openly bidding up the "ham sandwich"! B^} "Call now! This offer only good thru noon PST Friday, 18-December-1998 or while supplies last! This offer may not be repeated! Operators are standing by!" (quickly donning the flameproof 'Santa' suit) -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Rummaging through my document collection recently...

by mbg＠world.std.com

Sorry for that last message... I should have used a cite from the mail I received... it was in response to a question about the Maclisp 'Moon' manual I mentioned recently... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Rummaging through my document collection recently...

by mbg＠world.std.com

The book is a light blue cover, no graphics, just text. Clearly with Moon's name on it... Wraps from front to back, no text on the back that I remember... (But I don't have it in my hands at this time... it's at home)... Anyway, it isn't a lisp machine manual... it is the language manual. Megan

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PDP-11/24 bootup w/9312

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Anybody have a newer M9312 tech manual which describes the S1 settings for this beast? The boot ROM (in U20) is a 23-774F1 and I'm trying to boot RL01's and RL02's (device boot ROM -751A9). My manual is EK-M9312-TM-001, so it's the first edition. I'm unsuccessful in getting this machine to boot even though it had been said to have worked before I got it. Hardware config is the same as when I got it but I want to just make sure I was told correctly that it worked. Have to verify S1 switch settings as a beginning. Flipping the Halt/Cont/Boot switch to Boot causes some flickering of the RL02 drives' Ready light as if there could be some activity. But it stops after about 20-30 seconds and the VT100 shows just "@01000000" and is locked. Manual booting by entering 173000G just shows some register info such as "@ 1010" on the next line. Could I get a copy of somebody's latest edition of the tech manual. I'll of course pay all costs. Thanks for the help! -- Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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Emulex doc archive site gone now . . .

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Well, I guess we lost an RSX document resource for some reason. >http://rsxbbs.delconet.com/ has a shouting message and graphic: >"Due to negative comments by posters to vmsnet.pdp-11, > the RSX BBS was decommissioned on 13 December 1998. > > There are no plans to restore the service. Some > material will be moved to a commercial site. > >Previous donors should contact the Webmaster >to arrange return of their equipment or documents. " > >I cannot keep up with Usenet groups for lack of time. Too bad - there's a lot of good information on the technical newsgroups (i.e. vmsnet.pdp-11, alt.sys.pdp10) that you'd probably appreciate. > Anybody know what the >'negative comments' were about that I (we) missed? Bruce had an unusual policy of sending nastygrams to folks who (gasp!) put a link to his site without permission. Anyone who did link without permission would find that their network was no longer able to access his site. When someone mentioned this policy on vmsnet.pdp-11, Bruce responded by completely shutting down his web site. >There were some Emulex docs posted there I wanted to check again (at URL: >http://rsxbbs.delconet.com/docs/emulex/index.html). Any other location?? I'm not sure what was there (I never had any way to read the Microsoft Word formats), but if you ask you'll probably find out what you need to know. What do you need to know? -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Rummaging through my document collection recently...

by mbg＠world.std.com

... I came across the MACLisp manaul I used in a 'higher level languages' course at WPI back in the 70s... it is the 'Moon' manual, for those who might remember such things... Rev.0 ! I wonder how many of those have survived... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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A nifty demo

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de wrote: > I think they have been insirated by the Star like anyone > else, but the Ventura design is more to the direction > of a single programm and of course made to fit GEM (or > did DR made GEM to fit the Publisher ?). GEM itself I think GEM was made first and Publisher was the only really big app for it. I have a couple of boxes of Ventura and GEM as well over here. The filemanager is worse than on a macintosh (actually, it's worse than the MS-DOS shell, IMHO). The graphics have no refined quality to them, they look like a screensaver that draws boxes with random coordinates :) Were GEM and Lisa the first non-Xerox GUI projects, or was there some kind of weird little company that made a perfect gui but vanished into thin air? > was like the Mac a downsized (and crushed) version of > the Star (I still belive all 'modern' GUI systems are > just the mouse interface but noone took the desktop :( ). > Maybe with an exception of the OS/2 desktop (Althrough > still a GUI, it includes a lot more OO than most other). What about NeXT? That's _supposed_ to be OO... Is there any way I could find out more in-depth about what the UI was like? This sounds like an interesting machine. What exactly is meant by an OO desktop? What about the Amiga? I've heard many people who've used it say the same thing about it as you're saying about the Xerox machines, and yet I have the feeling you won't agree. > > > Gruss > Hans ---------------------------------------------------- Max Eskin | kurtkilgor(a)bigfoot.com | AOL: kurtkilgor

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Saw one...what is that? TI printing terminal Silent 700.

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Barry A. Watzman <Watzman(a)ibm.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, 15 December 1998 12:34 Subject: RE: Saw one...what is that? TI printing terminal Silent 700. The silent 700's were mostly used for time-sharing remote computing in the 70's. Some models (there were quite a few of them) had built-in modems (acoustic 300 baud for the most part). They were also used as local consoles (keyboard/printer). I believe that the printers were 30 chars/sec, but they may have been somewhat faster, perhaps as much as 120 cps. For their day, they were considered high-end and very desirable. IIRC, we had those in the VOLMET broadcast booth in the then Sydney Flight Service Centre, (Circa 1982). They were running off a Ferranti Message Switching System (dedicated 24(?)bit mini/mainframe) at 300 baud, which made them a good deal quicker than the Siemens electromechanical teleprinters that were used elsewhere in the FSC. They were used in the booth because they were QUIET and didn't drown out the announcer when the VOLMET broadcast was on. The old Siemens machines were designed for 50 or 75, but I think they ran them at 100, which was just about the physical limit, and NOISY, even in a sound deadening cabinet. Footnote: I also collect teleprinter machines if anyone in Oz has any they want to part with....... Cheers Geoff Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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Dead Media Note: Flexowriter recollection

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Here's a forwarded message from the Dead Media mailing list. - John Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:50:11 -0600 (CST) To: Dead Media List <dead-media(a)fringeware.com> From: Richard Kadrey <kadrey(a)sirius.com> Dead Media Working Note 41.3 Dead medium: SPS Flexowriter From: phxbrd(a)uswest.net (L. Seth Hammond) Sources: Personal Recollection

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24x80 Standard? (was: Re: HX20)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

>In a windowy world there are still plenty of applications that do great >work with an 80X24 character (or much less) screen. I was asked this yesterday (sorta) -- Why the 80x24 standard of yore? I believe the 80 columns comes from the 80 column punched cards, but I can't remember where the 24 comes from. Thanks in advance... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/14/98 1:55:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, yowza(a)yowza.com writes: > I think of it as: > Star ran on the 8010 (codenamed Dandelion) > Viewpoint ran on the 6085 (codenamed Daybreak) > All of the 8010s we got in were running Viewpoint 1.0. The 6085s were running a mix of Viewpoint 1.X or 2.0. We called the 8010s "Stars" also, not knowing any difference. Of course this was 5 years ago. Paxton

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