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Evans & Sutherland Y2K scrapyard heads-up

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, 22 December 1998 16:40 Subject: Re: Evans & Sutherland Y2K scrapyard heads-up >>Hopefully, there will be a bunch of Sun 3's too...according to their web >>site, there's no Y2K support for them at all... Good. >My guess would be any Sun that only runs SunOS isn't, and won't be Y2k. To >the best of my knowledge they've no intention of making SunOS Y2k as they >want you running Solaris. Probably. I think NetBSD runs on Sun 3's now. So it should be possible to keep them going with that, (or just lie about the date!) Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

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Evans & Sutherland Y2K scrapyard heads-up

by ware＠xtal.pharm.nwu.edu

Here is another small addition to the list of interesting machines that may be scrapyard-bound as January 1, 2000 approaches. Evans & Sutherland have recently sent a letter to the owners of ESV workstations indicating that these systems will suffer catastrophic failure (i.e, will refuse to boot) after January 1, 2000 due to a Y2K problem with the system's NVRAM. The ESV is a quite nice UNIX-based 3D graphics workstation, and many of these systems are still in use running specialized software (such as the 'O' molecular modeling package). E&S indicate that the Y2K problems with the older VAX-tethered graphics terminals are all in the "nuisance" category, but the warning message is certain to send many of these machines that remain to the scrapyard, as well. SGI also does not certify any of their systems with 68K, R2000, or R3000 processors to be Y2K compliant, presumably because they cannot run IRIX 6.5. Watch your local scrap dealer for IRIS 2000/3000, 4D series, and Indigo R3000 systems. -- Scott Ware ware(a)xtal.pharm.nwu.edu

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Bernoulli Box

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/21/98 11:25:01 PM US Eastern Standard Time, rws(a)eagle.ais.net writes: > A while back I got an Iomega Bernoulli Box at a hamfest, along with a big > stack of cartridges. It's almost the exact same size, shape, and style as > an XT, with dual 10MB 8" drives ive got two of these drives, one dual and one single with ~40 carts and no controller card. i havent been able to find much info either. shirley they were popular in their day?

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Evans & Sutherland Y2K scrapyard heads-up

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>Well, on the unixpc (att 7300/3b1), it is not possible to set a date > >12/31/99 thru either the setup screen or the 'date' utility. it is >possible to 'walk' the date into 2000 by setting 12/31/99 23:59. Once >over the hump it is then possible to advance to 23:59 12/31/00, etc. But >two digit dates in 2000 display mm/yy/100 (sic). Does that count as >broke? :). > >Date arithmetic seems to work OK beyond 01/01/00 tho. Don't forget to check Feb 29 2000. There are some systems that break there. Dan

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HP9100 EHT oscillator transistor

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, 22 December 1998 10:32 Subject: HP9100 EHT oscillator transistor >I've got an HP9100 to repair, and the first fault is that the transistor >on the EHT power supply board is short-circut all ways round. > >Alas the only number I have for it is the HP custom number, 1854-0322. >Tests on the transistor in my (working) 9100 show it's an NPN transistor, >but I don't want to do too many tests on it in case I damage the working >transistor. > >I've tried a few modern replacements. Most of them oscillate OK, but the >EHT won't regulate and sits at far too high a voltage (small, bright >image on the CRT). Certainly indicative of high eht.> >A BF259 does seem to work, but it's hardly got sufficient ratings for >this circuit. I don't know how long it will last. What voltages are on the transistor in the working unit? What sort of package is the transistor in? Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

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OT question for electronics wizards

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Hi. Just a quick question which is kind of off topic - with switched powe <supplies like those in modern PCs, when it says the input current is 7 amps <115 volts, is that the constant no matter how much the computer itself draw 7A@115V... an 800w PS??? <or the maximum, no matter what? If it's the latter my computer room is <going to need more circuits in a big hurry... The input current is load dependant above a minimum current. If that 7A PS is real I'd expect a minimum of .5A-1.5A at near minimum load. Plain english, input current is proportional to load current plus some internal losses. If it helps I have 6 vaxen on the same 15A line. Three 3100/M10E, one 3100/M76, two VS2000, BA123 MicrovaxII and one BA23 MicrovaxII. Worse case numbers would have me using a 25-30A line. Real numbers are far lower. Also the 3100 PS is only some 160W but if the aux outlet is present for say a monitor then there is +3-5A added to the input current for that outlet. So it's easy to have a spec for 7A but it's likly allowing 3A for a monitor or somesuch. Allison

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HP9100 EHT oscillator transistor

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

More info: > >> >>Alas the only number I have for it is the HP custom number, 1854-0322. > > HP says "Q1 -- 1854-0322 -- Quantity 1 --- TSTR: NPN, Si --- (Mfr) 86658 --- obd" > > The notes say that "obd" means "order by description". There's a list of manufacturer's code in the manual but 86658 isn't listed. ??? I think that manufacturer's code may be wrong in the manual. I can't find any other parts with that code but I did find that a lot of the 1854-xxxx transistors are made by 86684. I looked that up, it's RCA, Electronics Components and Devices Division in Harrison, NJ. Joe

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OT question for electronics wizards

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

At 07:17 PM 12/21/98 -0700, you wrote: >gaa. remind me again that English is my native language... > >Okay. Let's try again. When it says it wants 7 amps at 115, does it ALWAYS >want 7 amps at 115volts? or only when the computer it's driving really wants >all 300 watts it can put out? > > It probably has a 7Amp fuse inside, so the 7 Amps is just the max surge current. Even then most PC power supplies have less turn on surge current than a color TV because they have a negative temp coeff. surge resistor in series with the power input. Many TV's I've seen do not. Because of lower power disk drives, most PC's draw much less power than one may expect. Feel the air flow exiting from the PSU to get an indication of the heat load. Take out all the computer stuff from the case and put a light bulb inside as a comparison. One can also measure the currents on each of the DC leads (with an adapter because there are, for example, multiple 5 Volt leads). -Dave

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HELP

by pctech＠davidbowie.com

I have a Laser 128 i am trying to restore i have it working only thing is it is not doing anything. I have a screen that says: LASER 128 ROM Version 2.9 (C) Copyright 1985, 1986 Central Point Software, Inc. BASIC (C) 1982 Microsoft All rights reserved That is in the left hand corner.But it goes no further,Does anyone have any idea what is going on???? i have never messed with one of these and i dont know what its going on here.PLEASE help me!!! Do i need disks????

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Evans & Sutherland Y2K scrapyard heads-up

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 21, 21:51, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: > Um, IRIX is a Unix derivative, right? What about IRIX ISN'T Y2K > compliant? 2038 compliant, I can see, but 2000? Do these companies go out > fo their way to make stuff non-Y2k compilant? Lots of things in many Unix versions are potentially non-Y2K compliant -- anything that handles date input/output in ASCII could be, or anything that depends on a RTC chip that only stores the year as two digits. Common culprits are at(1) and date(1) but SGI have a list of issues on one of their support pages, as do Sun and some other vendors. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Commodore machines that never made it?

by gareth.knight2＠which.net

Doug Spence wrote: >For another piece of Commodore software... would Mind Walker count? It >was (c)1986 Commodore-Amiga/Synapse IIRC (which I may not). I don't know >if the packaging, etc, was Commodore's or if it was Synapse. Commodore >had the trademark on the name, though, because Amiga Technologies used >Mind Walker as the name for a web browser during the ESCOM era. Mind Walker wasn't just the name of a browser (which, incidentally reverted to the original title of "Voyager"). It was the name given to a new Amiga that Amiga Technologies, the Escom subsidiary were releasing. The system was to include a 68030 processor, CD-ROM, and 500Mb+ hard drive as standard. Check out http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Sector/7478/walker.html for more info. -- Gareth Knight Amiga Interactive Guide | ICQ No. 24185856 http://welcome.to/aig | "Shine on your star"

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Evans & Sutherland Y2K scrapyard heads-up

by cfandt＠netsync.net

At 18:20 12/21/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Here is another small addition to the list of interesting machines that >may be scrapyard-bound as January 1, 2000 approaches. > >Evans & Sutherland have recently sent a letter to the owners of ESV -- snip -- >SGI also does not certify any of their systems with 68K, R2000, or R3000 >processors to be Y2K compliant, presumably because they cannot run IRIX >6.5. Watch your local scrap dealer for IRIS 2000/3000, 4D series, and >Indigo R3000 systems. Don't forget Hamfests/Radio Rallys or computerfest flea markets. These have always turned up goodies for us in the past. Finding stuff like the above should be even more frequent because of the Y2K thing at least for the next several years. Good times comin' for us big iron or business computer collectors :) Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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Saw one...what is that? TI printing terminal Silent 700.

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, >> Jason asked: >> This, Ti terminal Silent 700 looks like a headless thick notebook > >Tony replied: >AFAIK it's a dumb printing terminal. ... >There was (I believe) also an ASR version of one >of the desktop models that had a box on top with 2 digital cassette >drives in it. You could copy from one tape to the other, insert >characters from the keyboard, copy the tape to the line or to the >printer, etc. Basically use the cassettes like the paper tape on most ASR >machines. >Then Sergei asked: >Do you have manuals for this version? Can it write data to tape as they >arrive? (If so, I could use this terminal as a log device.) At University of Texas Center for Space Research in the late 70's, there was one continually logging data to tape off a nasa communications line as the data arrived. One of my jobs there was to switch the logging to the other tape drive and dump the full tape to the PDP for data-processing. The tape drives were pretty reliable and pretty easy to use. Sorry for the late reply, I'm getting a bit snowed and behind on the *really* important things in life, like reading my classic-comp digests. Also, they did not let me keep the manual, and I do not remember how to operate the machine. :-) - Mark

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Pertec PCC-2000

by neil＠goodnet.com

Hi, Has anyone seen, heard of, or know any who has a Pertec-2000 machine? I would like to discuss documentation with them. Neil.

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Another ~1960 computer kit - Philips?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 06:06 PM 12/17/98 -0600, Doug Yowza wrote: > >Speaking of programming paradigms, one of the reasons I've always been so >found of the E&S PS-300 was that it used a dataflow language. I found >that a very compelling and completely different way to program. What a >guy that Sutherland was, eh? What does an E&S PS-300 look like? I saw one last Friday. Or part of one. It was a large monitor with the tag "Evans and Sutherland PS-300" and a digitizing tablet of some kind. There was a large cable coming from it with a round connector and a dozen or so conductors. I expected it to be connected to a large box containing the computer power, but didn't see that, nor any keyboard. It was for sale for about $20 at the UW-Madison surplus store. It was so large and appeared to be missing the main components, so I didn't buy it. There was a Sequent S27 parallel computer there, too. I don't know how many nodes it had. - John

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Linux or what?

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I don't think it is. It's not a browser. It's a search engine (http://www.webcrawler.com). The OS/2 browser may have been named that, though. I'm not sure. The only version I've ever worked with is 2.1. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Olminkhof <jolminkh(a)nsw.bigpond.net.au> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 4:57 AM Subject: Re: Linux or what? >. >. >WebCrawler !!! Is that the original browser that came with OS/2 Warp? >You still use it? > >

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OT question for electronics wizards

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Hi. Just a quick question which is kind of off topic - with switched power supplies like those in modern PCs, when it says the input current is 7 amps at 115 volts, is that the constant no matter how much the computer itself draws, or the maximum, no matter what? If it's the latter my computer room is going to need more circuits in a big hurry... -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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(1960 kit) long and OT-ish.

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 cmcmanis(a)freegate.com wrote: > Further, there have been several studies that indicate excessive warning > stickers cause problems because they become "noise" and no one pays > attention to the ones that they need to. Great! Who do I sue for it? ---------------------------------------------------- Max Eskin | kurtkilgor(a)bigfoot.com | AOL: kurtkilgor

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Son-Of-Single Instance Machines

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Moving my pile into its new home, I came across the RAIR BlackBox computer. Looks like a PC but its not. It has a unique bus with various cards (hd interface, serial, parallel, etc). I have two that I got last year sometime. Anyone ever hear of these and have any information about them? Circa 1981. Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Always being hassled by the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 12/07/98]

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IBM DisplayWriter, 5360CPU, etc. avail, Raleigh NC

by aknight＠mindspring.com

Hi, Thought I'd let ya'll know that there is an IBM Display Writer, with monitor & Keyboard, available for $10 in Raleigh, NC. I also saw some other stuff, like a big IBM 5360 CPU (the size of a washer & dryer) for $1, an IBM 3174 server for $5, an IBM 3274/1C printer for $1, an IBM 5262 printer for $5, and an IBM 6360 dual 8" floppy drive unit for $5, all at the same place. Operating condition on all this stuff is unknown. Write me off-line at "aknight(a)mindspring.com" if you're interested in this stuff. It's all too big for me to mess with. Well, maybe I could snag the DisplayWriter to trade for a really interesting calculator ... Regards, Alex Calculator History & Technology Archive Web Page http://aknight.home.mindspring.com/calc.htm

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blueplanet tech page

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

It looks like the problems with www.blue-planet.com/tech have been fixed. I'm now able to get in with Internet Exploder 4.0 again. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Luftschiffe (was:ebay - Minivac 601, 1st pers. digital computer 1960s)

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 gram(a)cnct.com wrote: > facility. Even if you get a gas leak, you're not going to crash -- > a large airship doesn't have one gasbag, it has a half-dozen or more > ballonets inside the structure separately sealed apart from each > other.

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eGroups

by daveygf＠aol.com

Have any of you tried out http://www.egroups.com ? I am trying to get the classicCmp mailing list to work with it, but it doesn't show new messages. It does allow me to post from there though. David daveygf(a)aol.com http://altaircomputers.org

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Xerox

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

>I thought about 'hide' in the sense of not showing technical terms >where they are not needed. For example, with Win you still have a >FD named A: and a HD named C: (or with the Amiga df0: etc.) That's what I'm asking. How do you save to floppy on a Daybreak? >Or think about file extensions ... etc. Well, file extensions is questionable. In MS-DOS and relatives, these are very severely misused. On a Macintosh, they're hidden from the user, and all nice and neat. Until you want to change something, when you regret that it's all hidden. In Linux, there are no extensions as far as the system is concerned, and I must say, I don't miss them at all. >One of the best developments of the last years was the Newton. Yes, I sort of like that thing too. I had about an hour of experience with an e-Mate (a Newton with a bigger screen and a built-in keyboard), and though it was somewhat disorienting (there is no distinction between an open file and a stored file, so I was trying to close the word processor for about 10 minutes before I realized that the concept didn't exist), I thought it was pretty neat. >systems available for free (like Smalltalk Express Yes, I downloaded this last night. Do you think it's any good? >And classic Smaltalk implementations can run on a 4.77 MHz 8088 >with graphical environment in a speed good enough to test it. >And on a 386sx with lets say 2 MB mem its a rocket :) Cool! Are any still available? >Gruss >Hans > >-- >Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut >HRK So what does that mean?

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Another ~1960 computer kit

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: > Are there really people who prefer video games and TV to making things? > I've never met any, but that maybe because I grew up making things, and > met people with similar interests. You can't begin to imagine how lucky you are! Around here, I've met only a dozen or so people who have any interest whatsoever in making things (not including artists, there are plenty of those). I'm tempted to reduce the number even further, considering how many of those people have never held a soldering iron. The other problem is that those books tony mentioned which started this discussion are no longer easily available. What is are stupid little kits like 'build your own radio' that come with some stencilled cardboard and a PCB. All you have to do is to cut the cardboard, fold, glue, and stick in the PCB. You've made a radio. And this way, people miss the point. I think I missed the point, now that we're having this discussion. I have one example of a 'do-it-yourself' book from 1935 called 'Making Things for Fun' by Frederick Collins. There are lots of nice things in the 'Other Books by Fred..' list. Anyway, in this book, there is a chapter on making a small radio receiver powered off an AC line. And the book says, "for all ages". We don't have these things anymore, it's hard to learn. ---------------------------------------------------- Max Eskin | kurtkilgor(a)bigfoot.com | AOL: kurtkilgor

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Another ~1960 computer kit

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>>But worse still is the fact that back in the early years of this century, >>it appears that boys - say about 12-15 years old - were expected to try >>woodwork, metalwork, using a lathe, wiring electric lights, bells, >>telephones, etc, making induction coils, etc, etc, etc. Things that I bet >>few boys ever try today. And yet, today, it could be made a little easier >>for them. Max wrote: >There's little need to make coils these days, and wiring electric lights >isn't very fun when one can play around with things millions of times more >complex. Unfortunately, lots of "fundamental" knowledge gets left out when you skip electric lights and go to things much more complex. Clarke's law says that "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic", but as far as I'm concerned light bulbs, batteries, and wires still have an element of magic. The concept that by connecting these two pieces of copper, I can make a bulb elsewhere glow, is magic in itself. (Even more magical is what happens when you short out the turns of a hand-cranked magneto and try turning it...) One has to understand these basic elements of technological magic if anything worthwhile is going to be done! Unfortunately, in today's world of glitzy computer graphics and sound everywhere, many kids feel that somehow unless their creations live up to to Hollywood standards that they aren't worthwhile. And this attitude is completely wrong. But talking with educators from the local kindergarten right up to the Provost of Caltech, I've come to realize that this is a very real obstacle to teaching the fundamentals of not only technical subjects, but also of artistic subjects. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Another ~1960 computer kit

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 dpeschel(a)u.washington.edu wrote: > Besides, I really like Squeak. I hated VisualWorks (an expanded, refined > descendant of the original Xerox Smalltalk) when I used it in class. But > Squeak is a lot more manageable, and it helps to be able to tinker instead > of worrying about doing homework. Well, I downloaded both Squeak and 'Smalltalk Express'. Squeak is certainly more complete, SE tries to be an IDE of Smalltalk which isn't what it's about. However, it seems that both use lots of RAM. I often get out-of-memory errors when trying to multitask under Win95 with either of these running. ---------------------------------------------------- Max Eskin | kurtkilgor(a)bigfoot.com | AOL: kurtkilgor

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OT: Online auctins an institution?

by altair8800＠hotmail.com

> >No one else has figured out that the real money is in the _information_ >about what sold at auction for what? Ever wonder why Christie's will give >you a catalog of things for auction but will _sell_ you the results? On >line auctions are here to stay and they open a whole new area of >opportunity (as this list knows all too well) > >--Chuck This is a very astute observation. I never cease to be amazed by the smarts exhibited by the contributors to this list. If we could pool the brainpower here we could turn Capitalism on it's head. But, of course, many of us are not partial to Capitalism so I guess we'll have to stay poor. Bob Wood Bob Wood > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Value

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:33 PM 12/15/98 -0800, you wrote: >> Chaque a' son gout, the lady said as she kissed the cow. 8^) > >Can we stick to English on this list? All these Latin and French quotes >are all Greek to me! Sorry... Chaque = Each, a = has, son = his, gout = taste. or, each to his own. (I grew up in a 1/2-french-speaking, dual-piano, opera-loving, book-filled household. Heck, I didn't even know there was any other kind of music besides opera and the various forms of classical until my mid-teens. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Commodore machines that never made it?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 09:26 AM 12/21/98 -0800, Charles P. Hobbs wrote: >> For another piece of Commodore software... would Mind Walker count? It >> was (c)1986 Commodore-Amiga/Synapse IIRC (which I may not). I don't know >> if the packaging, etc, was Commodore's or if it was Synapse. Commodore >> had the trademark on the name, though, because Amiga Technologies used >> Mind Walker as the name for a web browser during the ESCOM era. > >Wasn't that originally called "Wynd Walker?" (They had to change the name >because of, you guessed it, trademark issues) No, Mind Walker was one of the very first games (call it that?) for the Amiga. I don't remember the story behind it, but I could ask a friend who knew the guy who wrote it. - John

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Commodore machines that never made it?

by rcini＠msn.com

While browsing early-84 Bytes, I came across two references to new Commodore computers. One was the Z8000-based "Next Generation", which was to run Concurent Unix. The other was a Series 264 machine. Any info on these? [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

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Intelligent Systems Compucolor

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Could any owners of the Intelligent Systems Corp. Compucolor plese raise your collective hands. I'm trying to find more information about this machine. Thanks A

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Another ~1960 computer kit

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: > Hmmm... From what I've seen of the Mindstorms set available in the UK, > it's not that great. What really annoys me is that it'll do a lot more > than they tell you about in the instructions (based on the stuff I've > read on the web). And I _HATE_ products like that. > > And don't tell me 'Oh, it's aimed at children who couldn't understand > things like that'. I would guess it's aimed at 10-12year olds at least. > At that age, I was designing with TTL, and starting to look at > microprocessors, and I didn't have an introductory book to help me. Wait...but doesn't that sort of defeat your own point? Why should these kids stick to the instructions? They have heads on their shoulders, they can experiment on their own. > But worse still is the fact that back in the early years of this century, > it appears that boys - say about 12-15 years old - were expected to try > woodwork, metalwork, using a lathe, wiring electric lights, bells, > telephones, etc, making induction coils, etc, etc, etc. Things that I bet > few boys ever try today. And yet, today, it could be made a little easier > for them. There's little need to make coils these days, and wiring electric lights isn't very fun when one can play around with things millions of times more complex. > There is the secondary issue with the Mindstorms kit that I don't like > things that are tied to PCs, but that's another matter. Indeed. Since when do I need to upgrade my computer to use LEGOs? (I would have to -- the PC software has rather hefty system requirements) > think) are 2 'toys' that I've kept, and I don't mind admitting I still > use them... I've seen many very useful machines made from metal erector sets. ---------------------------------------------------- Max Eskin | kurtkilgor(a)bigfoot.com | AOL: kurtkilgor

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Intelligent Systems Compucolor

by Marty＠itgonline.com

I have an ISC 8051 dated 2/78 but no paper. I have seen ads for it in early Byte issues but that is about all I know at present. Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Intelligent Systems Compucolor Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 12/21/98 3:42 AM Could any owners of the Intelligent Systems Corp. Compucolor plese raise your collective hands. I'm trying to find more information about this machine. Thanks A ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Dec21.034222.1767.86386; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 03:42:22 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id AAA26589; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:40:04 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id AAA33148 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:39:58 -0800 Received: from smtp.bde.com.au (bde.com.au [203.41.93.225]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id AAA11 106 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:39:57 -0800 Received: from titanic.bde.com.au (TITANIC [192.168.1.25]) by smtp.bde.com.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id YCNFSHZS; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:38:53 +1100 Message-Id: <005101be2cbd$7a447360$1901a8c0(a)titanic.bde.com.au> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:39:50 +1100 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Andrew Davie" <adavie(a)mad.scientist.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Intelligent Systems Compucolor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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Linux or what?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/21/98 7:57:49 AM US Eastern Standard Time, jolminkh(a)nsw.bigpond.net.au writes: > WebCrawler !!! Is that the original browser that came with OS/2 Warp? > You still use it? no, os2 used web explorer and i like it. seems faster than netscape and IE. of course, previous versions didnt support frames either. grrr. os2 had explorer and start before ms copied those ideas too...

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Tektronix T4002

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

I saw a Tektronix T4002 "Graphic Computer Terminal" at a junk auction place near here. Had a big weird looking joystick and what was labelled a "Teletype Port Interface" for a DG Nova or Supernova computer. Also a hard copy unit nearly as big again. I don't know if it was sold. If it is still homeless next time I see it, how important would it be to save it? It's a lot bigger than most of the stuff I pick up so please tell me there's lots of them left. Hans

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Linux or what?

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

>it on the web anywhere (using WebCrawler). Does anyone have a copy that . . WebCrawler !!! Is that the original browser that came with OS/2 Warp? You still use it?

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TI 9900N

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

I just got this curious item from somebody. It's labelled LORAN C NAVIGATOR on the back. I haven't powered it up yet, but I guess this is something similar to GPS (only LORAN is on the ground, isn't it?). It looks pretty old, and certainly has digital electronics in it. Could someone tell me what to do with this thing? Would it be useful in a car or an airplane? (I have neither) ---------------------------------------------------- Max Eskin | kurtkilgor(a)bigfoot.com | AOL: kurtkilgor

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FW: PS/2 Freebies available in St. Louis, MO

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

Found on Usenet. Much of the stuff is useful on 'classic' systems, so I think it's on topic. Please contact the originator directly if you're interested. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: "Dave Masters" <dmasters-w(a)prodigy.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware Subject: Free PS/2 Stuff Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:38:09 -0600 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 43 Message-ID: <75jn5u$36f6$1(a)newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-37-101.il.us.ibm.net X-Post-Time: 20 Dec 1998 20:37:18 GMT X-Auth-User: 000164880/61c487f372f03754 X-Problems-To: abuse(a)prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: blushng.jps.net!news.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!skynet.be!207.115.59.8.MISMATCH!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail I've been trying to clean out the basement for the last year without much success. I've been given orders from the supreme commander to get this stuff out of here. I hate to just toss working computer equipment, so I am offering PS/2 stuff for whatever it cost me to box it up and ship it out. All equipment was working the last I used it, but is offered as is. If you are interested in any of it, please contact me directly at dmasters(a)prodigy.net. Trash day is Tuesday, but I'll hold the larger stuff until the Tuesday after Christmas. If you're interested, please contact me before then. 1 - 3118 B&W scanner with sheetfeed and high speed scanner adapter 1 - 3119 B&W flatbed scanner and 3119 scanner adapter 1 - 8580-111, 386-20 MHz 5 - 8555 386-16 MHz with IDE adapter and hard drives 5 - 2.88 diskette drives, FRU 64F4148 1 - 5 1/4 external diskette drive, Model 4869-002 1 - 30MB hard drive from a Mdl 30-286, FRU 6128279 1 - 160MB hard drive, FRU 56F8895 2 - 60MB hard drive, FRU 6128282 5 - 80MB SCSI hard drive, FRU 56F8854 4 - 160MB SCSI hard drive, FRU 56F8851 1 - 160MB SCSI hard drive, FRU 95F4718 1 - 30MB hard drive out of a Model 25 or 30, Mdl WDI-325Q 1 - IBM tape drive out of a Model 80, P/N 30F5167 > 10 - 3Com Etherlink/MC TP Ethernet adapters 1 - PCMCIA VoiceType Dictation adapter and software 1 - VisualAge C++ for OS/2 Documentation set 1 - OS/2 Warp Connect V3 (sealed) 1 - OS/2 V2.1 (sealed) 1 - Personal Communications AS/400 and 3270 (sealed) 1 - VisualAge for Smalltalk V3 documentation set (sealed) 1 - IBM Distributed Database Connection Services Single-User (sealed) 1 - IBM VisualAge for Java, Enterprise edition, V1 (sealed) 1 - IBM VisualAge for Java, Professional edition, V1 (sealed) 1 - Novell V3.11, 250 user license, diskettes and documentation Regards, Dave Masters -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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Type 0665? This is 5.25" FH IBM HD, on topic. :)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/20/98 3:12:19 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jpero(a)pop.cgocable.net writes: > Spec on this pls. > > Can't find this info on 'net even at IBM's. > > Thanks! > according to my pc pocket ref guide, this is a 44 meg ESDI drive for ps2 mod 60/80

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Dr. Dobbs..

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 06:43 AM 12/12/98 -0500, Doug Spence wrote: > >On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Chuck McManis wrote: > >> Dale Luck has PCC newspaper vol1 number 1. It was a hoot to read through! > >Oooh, name dropping! Don't forget, you can also impress people by dropping Chuck McManis' name in conversation. :-) - John

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Comterm Hyperion - Boot disk?

by gregorym＠cadvision.com

Hi. I recently acquired a Hyperion "portable" PC - Mac-influenced, 8086, dual 5.25 floppies, built in 4" amber monitor. I can't seem to get it to boot, however. When I power it up, I get a flashing cursor, and the system tries both drives. Then I get a "DISK FAULT" error on screen. I've tried various versions of DOS, from 2.1 to 3.3, with the same result. Does the Hyperion require an earlier version of DOS, or a customized version? Or, do I just have a machine with defunct floppy drives? Any help much appreciated. Mark Gregory

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Linux or what?

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Thanks! I'll check it out. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Linux or what? >On Sun, 20 Dec 1998, Jason Willgruber wrote: > >> O.K. I think I'll try Minix, but where can I get it?? I can't seem to find >> it on the web anywhere (using WebCrawler). Does anyone have a copy that >> they could email, or a website to go to to download it? > > http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/minix.html > >-- Doug > >

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New Acquisition: Motorola "Exorcisor" 6800 Development System

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi Gang: This afternoon I acquired the above system. There's a main system unit, a separate unit with dual 8" floppies, a SOROC Technology dumb terminal, a good stock of development cards, and what appears to be a full set of documentation and software on 8" floppies. Any info on this system, which appears from a cursory look at the docs, to have been a development system for standalone 6800-based industrial controls, would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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(1960 kit) long and OT-ish.

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/20/98 10:28:44 PM EST, ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk writes: << I am not going to be silly. I am not going to stick my fingers into a live mains socket, or use a machine tool when I'm not concentrating, or anything like that. But equally I'm not giving up the enjoyment I get from life because I could possibly have an accident and might therefore shorten my life. And for any lawyers here, I am quite prepared to take responsibility for my actions. If I do something wrong, then that's _my_ fault, right. Not the person who supplied whatever I happened to be using at the time. Not even if the whatever is defective - I should have taken the time to check. >> well you gotta remember, that's not how people think over here. it's always blame it on someone else. 8-\ passing the buck; the great american pasttime.

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TI 99/4A revision

by red＠bears.org

I'm attempting to gather some revision history on the old 99/4A in the interest of having complete---if insanely esoteric---information. If you've got a 99/4A, would you look at the bottom and mail me the serial number and date code (to the right of the serial number and most likely prefixed with "LTA") along with the following identifying characteristic: Black and Silver with "Solid State Software" badge Black and Silver without Beige The next step I suppose would be to identify any hardware or software revisions in there, but so far as I can tell my oldest and newest 99/4As are identical in all respects except external packaging. -- ok r. r e d @ b e a r s . o r g =========================== [ urs longa | vita brevis ]

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Another ~1960 computer kit

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: > Wiring electric lights isn't much fun. Designing and building an internal > step-by-step telephone exchange most certainly is. So is building > relay-logic systems. I have never seen anything to the effect of relay systems. They are often brought up on this list, and I have seen relay computers that looked quite impressive. But I have _never_ seen any explanation of how a system based on relays works. Even in the Soviet Union, where projects like 'build your own RC boat' were common in magazines, I don't recall seeing instructions on building a telephone exchange. ---------------------------------------------------- Max Eskin | kurtkilgor(a)bigfoot.com | AOL: kurtkilgor

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Electrical knowledge, was Another ~1960 computer kit

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, 21 December 1998 11:12 Subject: Re: Electrical knowledge, was Another ~1960 computer kit >> A screwdriver (insulated handle!) blade touched to the top cap of the >> 1S2 would produce a healthy arc when held somewhere near chassis > >1S2 = DY86, I believe. OK, I understand now - that's the EHT rectifier, >right... Never heard of a DY86, but yes, either that or the damper diode. Can't remember. Creeping senility. >Normally just holding the screwdriver up to the cap would draw a spark - >you didn't need to have it anywhere near the chassis. And if you didn't >get a spark, you removed the top cap connector (anode) and tried again - >to the connector. A common fault was that the diode valve would >short-circuit, thus effectively short-circuiting the AC EHT via the >capacitance of the CRT. > >> if the line/eht stage was running. This practice did not survive the >> transition >> to solid state devices that disliked the spikes etc it could cause! > >No, indeed. Producing sparks in transistorised TVs/monitors is a good way >to blow semiconductors all over the chassis. When I was working on a >Barco monitor (actually off a classic-computer graphics display system), >I had an EHT flashover to my fingers (ouch!!) which took out a couple of >transistors in power supply unit. Sounds about right. Murphy. >Some valve output transformers could match pretty low loads. The famous >Williamson transformer has 8 secondary windings which can be wired in >series/parallel to match down to <1 Ohm, I think. I've seen 3 ohm secondaries on valve gear, so that sounds possible. The 1930's radio it was in had a field coil loudspeaker, first one I ever saw. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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Electrical knowledge, was Another ~1960 computer kit

by hhacker＠gte.net

Assuming the speakers are identical, then, in parallel, the resistance of the circuit is halved, while in series, the resistance is doubled. This means that for series, the volume of the sound which is produced by the speakers is halved, and doubled for the parallel case. I am neither an electrical nor an electronic engineer but, Ohm's law is sufficient for this analysis. William R. Buckley -----Original Message----- From: Max Eskin <kurtkilg(a)geocities.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Electrical knowledge, was Another ~1960 computer kit >On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 ddameron(a)earthlink.net wrote: >> Another example, it surprises me how many "electrical" people do not >> understand, for example, what happens when one wires speakers in series or >> parallel. > >What _does_ happen? > >---------------------------------------------------- >Max Eskin | kurtkilgor(a)bigfoot.com | AOL: kurtkilgor >

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Type 0665? This is 5.25" FH IBM HD, on topic. :)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

ah, there also seems to be a 20/30 meg flavour for the 5170 as well as the EDSI 44 meg type. In a message dated 12/20/98 6:27:49 PM EST, rhblake(a)bigfoot.com writes: << Did one of us misread the Pocket PC ref? The 0667 series is the ESDI ones according to mine, 6th edition. The 0665 shows as MFM for all three variations in mine. SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/20/98 3:12:19 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > jpero(a)pop.cgocable.net writes: > > > Spec on this pls. > > > > Can't find this info on 'net even at IBM's. > > > > Thanks! >>

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