- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by rcini＠msn.com

Hello, all: I'd like to try to get my Mac 512k, Apple //gs, and IW-II talking together. I have all of the LocalTalk (PhoneNet style) hardware connected to the respective units. However, this is the first time that I'm attempting any form of networking on my Apples, so I really don't know where I'm going. I know that you have to identify one of the serial ports as LocalTalk. I've done this in the //gs Control Panel, and I think that I've done this on the Fat Mac, but what am I supposed to see? How do I know that it works? Thanks again. [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

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Z-120 help needed

by Watzman＠ibm.net

I can help the guy with the Zenith Z-120. Have him contact me, Watzman(a)ibm.net Barry Watzman

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Software available

by manney＠hmcltd.net

Available -- FolderBolt (Kent Marsh, Ltd) Shrink Wrapped Blue Max (Qualitas) for 386, PS/2 and Win 3.0 LapTrack (Timeslips Corp), includes Timeslips III (Sticker on the front saying "System 7 Compatible". Shrink Wrapped. As usual, make an offer...eBay prices most welcome. manney(a)hmcltd.net

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y2k stuff

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

In einer eMail vom 13.01.1999 07:49:30, schreiben Sie: << John G. Zabolitzky wrote: > 6 bit characters were quite the standard BEFORE /360 days, say for > CDC 6600, CDC 7600 (the most powerful computers from mid-60s until > the appearance of the CRAY-1 machines, forerunners of the Cyber 170 series), > or IBM 7030, IBM 7090, IBM 7094 say, back in the '60s. > They were not called bytes, and could not be addressed directly; > there were 36 bit or 60 bit words, and shift / logical instructions used for > character manipulation. In fact this is probably the origin for the > six character namelength limit in FORTRAN IV : 6 chars x 6 bits = 36 bit word. Eric Smith wrote: All generally correct except for the 7030 (Stretch). Stretch used variable-length fields from 1 to 64 bits, and its native character set used 8 bits. The integer arithmetic instructions, however, were specificially designed to be useful on character data types from 4 to 8 bits. http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/stretch/ >> It seems I got these IBM model numbers confused. I think I meant the 7040 (and of course we can go back to the earlier tube computers, 704 and 709). Eric, you seem to have quite some info on the Stretch; do you have any source of (original or other doc) on this or the other early IBM computers ? There is of course the book by Bashe et al, but I find it difficult to locate more info. John G. Zabolitzky

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Disasters and Recovery

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> wrote: <snip> >As this list is full of folks who've dealt with the 'ravages of time' on >their collections, I was looking for things to protect against. My first thought was the pulling the battery, but someone mentioned that. That leads to another notion that I don't recall anybody mentioning. Assuming we solve all the 'ravages of time' issues, then we need to think about another issue. As an ornery question, should we not pack along with the machine a stone tablet? Engraved on the tablet is the following: "This computer and operating system are not Y2.1K compliant!" With no battery, the machine is going to present the date prompt. What will happen when they enter '1-04-2100'? On Mon 18 Jan 1999 20:40:35 Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > Aren't zebras bar-coded ponys? > Not even signing my name! My wife wants to know then what skunks are. Mike

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Looking for Buck Savage

by cfandt＠netsync.net

I'm trying to contact one of our (past?) list members who used to hang out here. Have any of you folks in California heard where Buck is now (aka William Buckley)? He was rather interested in a bunch of DEC gear that I have in my garage for his museum he said he was putting together. We had been emailing each other up 'til middle of December but now I don't get any replies. My email doesn't bounce ("Buck Savage" <hhacker(a)gte.net>). I need to move this DEC stuff ASAP. Thanks for all your help gang! Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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GRID LAPTOP

by roblwill＠usaor.net

It was definitely aluminum. The paint was chipping off in a few places, and it definitely weighed a good pound or more than my Tandy 1800. Could it have been a model that GRiD made for another company (as the label on the bottom stated)? -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: GRID LAPTOP >Pass! Those are not TRuE GRiDs! And they have plastic cases, AFAIK. >Some later GRiD-labeled products were not made by GRiD, including the one >you've mentioned. Others include the 2390 (designed by GRiD, made by >Casio), and the 2050 (made by Samsung, I think). > >-- Doug > >

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GRID LAPTOP

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I remember once seeing a GRiD 386 laptop that looked _exactly_ like a Tandy 3800, but was made of the aluminum alloy, was white, and said on the top case that it was Panasonic (I think. The top cover was labeled with something other than GRiD or Tandy). The bottom label said "manufactured for {Company X} by GRiD". Anyone ever hear of something like this? I was going to pick one up, but they wanted $300 for one. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: GRID LAPTOP >On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Marty wrote: > >> Were all the Grids in a metal case with bubble memory? > >No, only the earlier Compass and Compass II models, but there were several >different models. (And the metal case is a magnesium alloy.) > >-- Doug > >

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GRID LAPTOP

by Marty＠itgonline.com

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: GRID LAPTOP Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 1/19/99 5:56 PM At 04:30 PM 1/19/99 -0500, you wrote: > While out junking at lunch I met a gent who said he has a Grid Laptop > with a metal case (he said this model went to the moon) and uses > bubble memory. He said he'd entertain selling it but I've no idea what > to offer. Any ideas on what to offer or any info on this laptop? I'd > appreciate and info. Could be any one of several models. If it really uses Bubble Memory, it's probably a Compass (model 11xx). That, I'd pay a bit of money for, maybe as much as $50 if it's working. More likely, it's a GRiDCase and maybe worth $20 at most. If, on the other hand, it's a Convertible (2260 or 2270), you're talking real money again; I'd pay $100 for a 2270. >>The one that was used on the shuttle (I don't think the shuttle ever >>landed on the moon?) was (iirc) the GRiDPad 19xx, see my other message >>about those. All those years of killing brain cells are finally catching up to me. It's been a rough day and I wasn't thinking. Thanks for the info. I don't really need another pc but you know how that goes.... If it turns out to be a 1535 (or other model with both the Gas Plasma screen and battery power), let Derek Peschel know; he's been looking for one for a while. (I have been trying to find one unsuccessfully for him.) Aside from the bubble memory and the magnesium case, btw, the Compass was the first of the clamshell style computers. Beat the Gavilan by half a year at least. (And no, the Gavilan wasn't the second clamshell either.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1999Jan19.175615.1767.93725; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:56:16 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id OAA16070; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:52:46 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA2 4602 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:52:40 -0800 Received: from uxl.longs.com (uxl.longs.com [199.108.9.10]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.2+UW99.01/8.9.2+UW99.01) with ESMTP id OAA31 551 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:52:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sinasohn ([10.24.180.117]) by axh.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAAFFA4 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:50:14 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19990119145248.2a7f1538(a)ricochet.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:53:14 -0800 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: GRID LAPTOP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: sinasohn(a)ricochet.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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GRID LAPTOP

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Were all the Grids in a metal case with bubble memory? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: GRID LAPTOP Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 1/19/99 4:53 PM On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Marty wrote: > While out junking at lunch I met a gent who said he has a Grid Laptop > with a metal case (he said this model went to the moon) and uses > bubble memory. He said he'd entertain selling it but I've no idea what > to offer. Any ideas on what to offer or any info on this laptop? I'd > appreciate and info. The first GRiD was made in 1982, and I don't think we've been to the moon since a bit before that. However, several models of GRiDs were used in the space shuttle. Find out which model it is, first. The early models are pretty hard to find (I think less than 10,000 were made). If you're thinking of paying Real Money (TM), let me sell you one of mine! -- Doug ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1999Jan19.165321.1767.93695; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:53:22 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA03303; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:50:59 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA1 2986 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:50:51 -0800 Received: from genco.haggle.com (IDENT:doug@genco.haggle.com [209.49.57.4]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.2+UW99.01/8.9.2+UW99.01) with ESMTP id NAA27 201 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by genco.haggle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26623 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:50:40 -0500 Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990119164647.22135D-100000(a)genco.haggle.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:50:40 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: GRID LAPTOP In-Reply-To: <1999Jan19.162855.1767.182582(a)smtp.itgonline.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Sender: doug(a)genco.haggle.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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OT Re: Reading age of 3 (was: Re: Computers for children)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:09 PM 1/17/99 -0400, you wrote: >> The school system's inabaility to deal with anything other >> than the mean (which they insist on defining) is one of the >> primary reasons home schooling has really taken off the last >> few years. > >It's worse than that. It's not even the mean anymore. It's the >lowest student. Um, no. The teachers at my girlfriend's school (and all the schools she works with) spend many (unpaid) hours every year planning the classes so as to accomodate the differing needs of all their students. Things like slower 1st graders are combined with advanced kindergartners so that they're best able to meet the needs of all the kids. There are many reasons why kids these days are not being educated as well as they should be. Perhaps some of the blame belongs to the "System" -- any bureaucracy can thwart the best efforts of the dedicated -- and there are indeed some people who should not be teachers. BUT, Much of the problem, if not most, however, should be placed squarely on the shoulders of those at fault: The parents[1]. (Aka voters.) No one likes to think they've screwed up their own kids and done a crappy job as a parent, so they blame the teachers. The politicians don't want to insult the voters, so they blame the teachers too, and add to the bureaucracy. Meanwhile, you have underpaid teachers, buying their own supplies, working 12 hour days, trying to teach kids whose parents proclaim "I AM NOT A TEACHER!" on the kid's homework, and tell their kids that if someone does something they don't like, they should hit them. I've done some teaching back when I was young and stupid. I got smart and gave it up because a) it's way too much work to do it right, b) it pays pretty crappy, and c) kids are a PITA. Give it a try, and then come back and tell me it's the teacher's fault. [1] If you read to your kids every day, spend your non-working time taking them to museums, plays, camping, etc., work with them on what they're interested in, even if it means giving up watching football, spending time with your friends, and so on, then this doesn't apply to you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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GRiDPad 1910's

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

I have a line on quite a few GRiDPad 19xx computers. These are the keyboardless slates sometimes called "post-it" computers, due to the ease of just sticking them on a wall or anywhere convenient. I believe they were also used on the shuttle at one point. They are DOS machines, 8088 I believe. These machines appear to be in pretty decent shape, with nice cases. The ones I saw were 1910's, but there may be some 1900 or other, similar models in the bunch. They are untested, and I don't know if they come with pens or not. I think I can get them for $15-20 each. Shipping in the US would probably be around $3-5. Figure less than $25 total. (I will seriously try to get them for less, and I won't be making anything on these.) If there is interest, I'll pursue it further; if not, I'll grab a couple for myself and let the rest go whereever they want. Please reply off-list! (We don't need a zillion "I want one!" messages spewing all over the 'net.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Is this a telco switch? Or a PBX?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Come across something in the basement. Working on making it mine. It's a 6" rack labeled "[Bell logo] DIMENSION". Has a serial port and lots of trunk connectors. Is this a telco switch? -------

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Apple II FAQ location?

by mcdonoughk＠un.org

>:: Now that Nathan Mates is no longer maintaining the Apple II FAQ, who is? >::I just wanted to update the local copies of some of my FAQs. >:: Check out http://www.lib.ox.ac.uk/internet/news/faq/comp.sys.apple2.html -- Kirk

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Teac FD-55FV-13-U

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > Does anyone have the specs for a Teac FD-55FV-13-U 5 1/4" floppy drive >or the URL of a website with specs for Floppy drives? Here's the info on all FD-55's I found on some website long ago. I don't have the URL anymore. Mike MANUFACTURER MODEL NO. WDTH. HGT. UNFMT'D FORMT'D RPM RATE ACC. LATN. /IN. CYLs TRKs /TRK +12v +5v (HRS) WEIGHT ADDITIONAL COMMENTS -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ TEAC FD-55A 5.25 HALF 250KB 180KB 300 250Kb 93ms 100ms 48 40 40 16 0.3A 0.4A 10K 1500g SINGLE SIDED TEAC FD-55BR 5.25 HALF 500K 360KB 300 250Kb 93ms 100ms 48 40 80 16 0.3A 0.4A 20K 1500g TEAC FD-55E 5.25 HALF 500KB 360KB 300 250Kb 93ms 100ms 96 80 80 16 0.3A 0.4A 10K 1500g SINGLE SIDED TEAC FD-55FV 5.25 HALF 1.0MB 720KB 300 250Kb 93ms 100ms 96 80 160 16 0.3A 0.4A 10K 1500g TEAC FD-55GFR 5.25 HALF 1.6MB 1.20MB DUAL 500Kb 91ms 83ms 96 80 160 15 0.3A 0.4A 20K 1500g DUAL SPEED TEAC FD-55GR 5.25 HALF 1.6MB 1.20MB 360 500Kb 91ms 83ms 96 77 154 15 0.3A 0.4A 10K 1500g TEAC FD-55GS 5.25 HALF 1.6MB 1.20MB DUAL 500Kb 91ms 83ms 96 80 160 15 0.3A 0.4A 20K 1500g DUAL SPEED, SCSI

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Long term data storage (was: Disasters and Recovery

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

>> A recent program on Stonehenge on the Discovery channel said the RAF wanted to >> level Stonehenge with explosives, but the person who owned the land they were >> on refused to let them. *boggle* Is it just me, or does all this suggest >> that in the 1930s and early 40s good maps were much harder to come by than > > A lot of it was propaganda to the British public to convince them how > important the war was.... > > Of course there were maps. Ordnance Survey maps were originally produced > for military use (hence the name), but nowadays are available just about > anywhere in the UK (most bookshops keep at least the local ones). During > the war they were probably impossible to obtain, but before the war, trivial. > > And you can bet they had got them in Germany as well. After all, the > British certainly had German maps. Yes, the Germans had good maps of Britain. At Bletchley I say on display a German map of the UK 132kV electrical grid, as it was in 1938... > The other thing that worries me is that Stonehenge is not the best > landmark in that area. Salisbury Cathedral's spire is probably a lot > easier to see from a distance. Unique. But not so distinctive. Stonehenge is obviously Stonehenge. Salisbury Cathedral is random_large_church_with_tall_spire. Seriously, if I emerged from cloud somewhere in the South of England, and saw Stonehenge, I'd know exactly where I was. If I emerged and saw Salisbury, I could probably work it out, but it would be a lot harder. But the original report - that Stonehenge was flattened - looks like a clear case of local telling tall story to American tourist... Philip.

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Preserving for the distant future (was: Re: Disasters and Recovery)

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

> There were comments that the Dead Sea scrools were on parchment rather > than paper. True. There are Egyptian papyri that are older than the > Dead Sea scrolls (some retaining quite a bit of color). To be pedantic, also not paper. They dried the reeds and glued strips together, rather than pulping them. No acid in the treatment for a start... Now, as for what the best paper is, not far from my parents' they still make paper by hand at Wookey Hole Mill. Originally set up to recycle cloth, they now import raw cotton from the US (recycled cloth contains too much artificial fibre). But the treatment for the rags was to boil them up in caustic soda (NaOH), not acid... I think linen (flax) fibres make pretty good paper. Manila (?sp) fibres make strong envelopes. How about printing on Tyvek? That stuff's pretty indestructible. > And yes, there's the chiselled stone media. If somebody can get me a > good source for affordable media, I'll start work on a printer (I > think the headstone folks have some items that could be built into a > prototype). I don't know whether you can get the stuff in the US, but in the UK slate was used extensively as a roofing material until quite recently (you can still get new slates, but most new buildings use modern composite materials in roof tiles). Most building salvage places will sell you secondhand roofing slates by the box. Not suitable for chiselling, though - better to use some sort of grinding tip on a miniature hand drill. Another suggestion. The Mormons claim their scripture was preserved on metal plates (metal foil?) for well over 2000 years. You could ask for specifications - alas, the originals have mysteriously vanished... Philip.

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Sanyo 16LT

by userf＠clara.net

Sorry I forgot the CPU runs at 8MHZ and it looks like any other laptop from the outside. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: 19 January 1999 12:21 Subject: Re: Sanyo 16LT >At 09:30 PM 1/18/99 -0000, you wrote: >>I have recently aquired the above notepad computer I wonder if anyone has >any > > > I used a Sanyo for years and used to keep up with their stuff but I've >never heard of one. How old is it? Can you post a picture? > > Joe > > >

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Sanyo 16LT

by userf＠clara.net

The Sanyo 16LT is a black laptop with two floppies 640K memory it has no ram no harddisk an LCD display a parallel, RGB and serial ports I believe it has a 300Kbits modem, however I have no software or satisfactory OS although I have one floppy with what I believe is part of dos 3.3 and 4 others which is part of an office suite package called SMART. What I really need is some software which is designed to run with limited memory >from floppies. Of course a manual would be ideal. Thanks Rob -----Original Message----- From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: 19 January 1999 12:21 Subject: Re: Sanyo 16LT >At 09:30 PM 1/18/99 -0000, you wrote: >>I have recently aquired the above notepad computer I wonder if anyone has >any > > > I used a Sanyo for years and used to keep up with their stuff but I've >never heard of one. How old is it? Can you post a picture? > > Joe > > >

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Atari Portfolio

by lrahier＠qualcomm.com

Hi, I got this e-mail address off an Atari Portfolio web site. It didn't really say much about Dinosaur SIG or what it is, but I thought I'd see if this address was still valid and if you have any idea where to get memory cards for an old Atari Portfolio. Thanks, Lonny (619)651-0382

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Disasters and Recovery

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 04:19 PM 1/18/99 -0800, Sam Ismail wrote: > >I guess I'm just an optimist, thinking that 100 years from now we'll be >living in a society like in Star Trek: The Next Generation, where you just >ask the computer a question and it (usually) has all the answers. You mean, like a mailing list? - John

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Nicolet XF44

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> said: >Last night I was given (what I think is) another computer labeled Nicolet >Model XF44. It has two 5 1/4" floppies on the front along with a few other >controls/indicators labeled STORE, RECORD, RECALL, UNPROTECT, RECORD SEGMENT >UP/DOWN, and AUTOCYCLE. The size is about 4" high, 17" wide, and probably >20" deep. Anyone know what this is? Thanks. Marvin, This sounds a lot like one that I have, need two? Any way, it seem to be diskette storage for a Nicolet Model 4094 Digital Storage Oscilloscope. It's listed here: http://www.naptech.com/catLAOS1.htm ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer http://www.best.com/~dcoward Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery at http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

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Telnet into a TRS-80

by kevan＠heydon.org

Someone has a TRS-80 you can telnet into. It can only take one person at a time so you will have to wait your turn. http://www.searchlight.com/frank/milo.htm -- Kevan Collector of old computers: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/

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OT- How to solve replying in HTML problem in Outlook Express

by gareth.knight2＠which.net

Many people have experienced problems when replying to messages sent in HTML as Outlook replies using the format of the original. I'm not sure if this is the same for Outlook Express 5, but in version 4.72 go to the Tools menu and select Options. The options menu should appear. Click on Send and, second >from the bottom will be a tick box saying "Reply to message using format in which they were sent." Deselect this and click APPLY. Now as long as you have set all outgoing mails to be sent in text you will avoid flame wars >from angry CC subscribers. :) -- Gareth Knight Amiga Interactive Guide | ICQ No. 24185856 http://welcome.to/aig | "Shine on your star"

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Sanyo 16LT

by userf＠clara.net

I have recently aquired the above notepad computer I wonder if anyone has any details on the machine and where I might obtain software which will run off floppy etc. Regards Rob Gillibrand

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Macro-11

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I've been going through some of my manuals, and in looking at the >Macro-11 manuals it looks as if they're pretty much written with the >intention of being used with any of the DEC OS's. Is Macro-11 pretty >much the same across the various platforms or what? >If so, what makes a program written in Macro-11 a RT-11 program instead >of a RSX-11M program other, than the way that it is linked? Let me answer the second question first, since it will be part of the answer for the first question. Each of the PDP-11 OSes have programmed requests/system calls/whatever, which perform the operations for the user which are specific to that OS. A pure MACRO-11 program might have nothing in it which ties it to a given OS. But generally, programs are written for a specific OS, since you'll probably want to do I/O or get certain info from the OS itself. For example, RT-11 has programmed requests. These are EMTs which, when executed, cause entry to the OS, which expects the arguments for the function to be structured in a certain way and located in certain places (for example the stack). The various calls like .DATE, .READC, .MRKT, etc... are actually macros which are defined in some sort of system macro definition file, which is automatically included during the assembly process. For RT-11, this is the file SYSMAC.SML, located on the system volume, SY: In later releases of RT, there was also a much more complete structure definition file, SYSTEM.MLB, which could be used to reliably define structures used by RT-11. RSX and RSTS have their own set of macros defined which expand into code which ultimately execute and EMT, which is processed in a certain way by those OSes. Now, given that answer -- MACRO-11 is conditionalized in such a way that it can be built to issue those calls appropriate for the system you are building it for. MACRO-11 on RT-11 issues RT-11 programmed requests to read from the source file and write to the object file. MACRO-11 on RSX-11 issues RSX-11 system calls, etc... The heart of MACRO is the same regardless of which system, but the peripheral routines do what is appropriate for the given OS, and they are governed by conditionals. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer *Former MACRO-11 maintainer* +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Apple II FAQ location?

by rcini＠msn.com

Now that Nathan Mates is no longer maintaining the Apple II FAQ, who is? I just wanted to update the local copies of some of my FAQs. Actually, doesn't MIT act as a master archive? Anyone have that URL? Thanks! [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

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Macro-11

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I've been going through some of my manuals, and in looking at the Macro-11 manuals it looks as if they're pretty much written with the intention of being used with any of the DEC OS's. Is Macro-11 pretty much the same across the various platforms or what? If so, what makes a program written in Macro-11 a RT-11 program instead of a RSX-11M program other, than the way that it is linked? Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Greetings and Questions

by mbg＠world.std.com

"Kirk Davis" <kbd(a)ndx.net> wrote: >Hi all - I'm new to the mailing list and have just started >collecting various pieces of retro computer paraphernalia. Had >some fun today at the local salvage yard prying open a VAX 8800 >looking for interesting bits. Hi... and "ouch"... prying one open? >Did manage to get the console. Various people have told me that >this is most likely a PRO350 or PRO380 (PDP!!!!). Looking inside it's >got a RD52 and a set of floppies along with the associated controller >cards and the main board. It appears to be in good shape - when I >turn on the power, it goes though it's self test and appears to boot >from the hard disk. Do you see the 'DIGITAL' logo during the boot process? (Did you get the monitor and keyboard?) >1. What are my options are far as os'? I'm told that it most likely >has a subset of RT11 on the drive. Is this my only option or is it >possible to install other PDP11 based os' on this system? If it is off a Vax system, it will probably have a special board in it for use in controlling that system. You won't need it. It will also probably be running P/OS, not RT11, although you can get an RT-11 to run on it. There is also Venix, a unix-look-similar... You can also run a version of TSX+ on it (TSX is layered on RT-11, so you would need RT-11 first). >2. The back panel has a serial port and a monitor port (along with >what appears to be a printer and AUI network port). There is no >direct keyboard input that I can see. I connected a serial terminal >to the system and tried various baud rates and parity selections >(300-19200, 8-n-1 & 7-e,1) and have been unable to get the system to >respond. I'd assume some sort of signon banner at boot but since this >was a dedicated console for a vax it's limited to the output only on >the other monitor port? Maybe someone can enlighten me.... You'll need a monitor and keyboard, attached to the appropriate connectors. The AUI port is only usable if you have a DECNA ethernet adapter card in the machine. The communications port has modem control. The printer port can be used as a debug console (if the cable has pins 9 and 20 connected) and then runs at (I think) 4800 baud. This port is at the standard console address for a pdp-11, but it doesn't have the same interrupt structure. But the monitor and keyboard are required, since that is the boot console. Without them, you won't be able to run anything. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Early Data Sheets

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I am just curious if anyone else is keeping semiconductor data sheets and <data books from the early days? In checking though some stuff that was <going to the recycler, I found a bunch of 70s and early 80s data sheets an <put them into the car. Additionally, there were a bunch of the early 80s <Intel data books that I will be looking at later. Over the years I've kept a large number of databooks and sheets for parts I used or related to. I still consider it a resource that I can pull out a RCA transmitting tube manual or RCA transistor manual! Allison

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Honeywell Bull

by roblwill＠usaor.net

-----Original Message----- From: Jay West <jlwest(a)tseinc.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Honeywell Bull >Again, I don't have Honeywell knowledge, but didn't they create a division >called Honeywell Bull Information Systems, and rebadged multiple systems >under that name? > >My only knowledge of this comes from my General Automation days. When their >Motorola based line was loosing market share to the Unix crowd, they >introduced a server called a Honeywell Bull (blue/green nameplate I think)? Navy blue background, white "Bull", and a green tree, sort of like the one on the newer Zenith Data Systems logo? >That system I know for sure was an RS6000. Perhaps HBIS rebadged more than >just the RS6000. Sounds like it anywho... > The AP-M sort of looks like a souped-up NEC APC III (a bit bigger, but same basic case design). ///--->>> -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

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IBM thingy!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 04:18 PM 1/18/99 -0500, you wrote: >> Don't discard it or destroy it -- they are probably not all that easy to >> get, and I can imagine that one or more folks on this list might be >> interested in it. > >Yes! > Then make an offer for it or else it gets chopped for the 8" floppy drive and the nice box. I'm interested in HP & S100 stuff so I'll swap for anything along those lines. Joe

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Visual Technology Commuter "portable"

by mwp＠acm.org

My brother-in-law has found a Visual Technology Commuter "portable" at a local thrift. It's operational and runs PC-DOS 3.10, for which its previous owner thoughtfully included a boot diskette. This machine has an LCD display, and two 1/2 height black face 5.25" floppy drives and 512K of RAM. Despite a diligent internet search, this is all we know. Does anyone here have any fond memories and/or pointers to more information on this machine? Thanks! Michael Passer mwp(a)acm.org

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Honeywell Bull <forgot something>

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I mentioned that it was a 286-10 -- that's what QAPlus says. No where on the board can I find a 286 processor. It has an ISA bus, and runs a OEM'd version of DOS 3.3. It also has a software-driven Turbo setting. ///--->>> -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Jason (the General) <roblwill(a)usaor.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Honeywell Bull >Maybe that's the mainframe that goes with a computer that I found! <g> >Doubt it, though. > >I just got a Honeywell Bull AP/M from a flea market for $1. > >Anyone have any info on this thing? From what I can tell, it's a 286-10, AT >compatible, and has a 20MB HD ST-225 behind a translucent plate (sort of >like an AT&T 6300, but gray) under the 1.2MB floppy. It also has a spot of >a "full-height" 3.5" floppy (as high as a half-height 5" floppy). > >ThAnX, > >///--->>> > -Jason Willgruber > (roblwill(a)usaor.net) > ICQ#: 1730318 ><http://members.tripod.com/general_1> > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Owad <owad(a)caesarville.net> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 1:04 PM >Subject: Honeywell Bull > > >>I have an opportunity to acquire a Honeywell Bull mainframe, free of >>charge. I don't have many details on it, but I'm told the computer is >>about 4x3x2 feet and supported 30 terminals. Any opinions on whether or >>not this is a computer worth saving, and if it is worth the space it will >>take up? >> >>Thanks. >> >>Tom Owad >> > >

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Disasters and Recovery

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

<< >> > But where can you find a drive that can read a sheep? >> >> You mean you've not come across baa-code readers :-) >> you must be feeling sheepish after that one-liner!

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Honeywell Bull

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Maybe that's the mainframe that goes with a computer that I found! <g> Doubt it, though. I just got a Honeywell Bull AP/M from a flea market for $1. Anyone have any info on this thing? From what I can tell, it's a 286-10, AT compatible, and has a 20MB HD ST-225 behind a translucent plate (sort of like an AT&T 6300, but gray) under the 1.2MB floppy. It also has a spot of a "full-height" 3.5" floppy (as high as a half-height 5" floppy). ThAnX, ///--->>> -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Tom Owad <owad(a)caesarville.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 1:04 PM Subject: Honeywell Bull >I have an opportunity to acquire a Honeywell Bull mainframe, free of >charge. I don't have many details on it, but I'm told the computer is >about 4x3x2 feet and supported 30 terminals. Any opinions on whether or >not this is a computer worth saving, and if it is worth the space it will >take up? > >Thanks. > >Tom Owad >

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VT220's (fwd)

by brett＠xnet.com

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Adrien K. Verbrugghen" <adverb(a)halcyon.com> Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: vt220 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:59:58 -0800 I have several vt220/kbd sets which I need to dispose of - anyone want them? Seattle area. -A. -- end of forwarded message -- Email Adrien directly please 8-) BC

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older operating systems and...

by dogas＠leading.net

From: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> >It looks like one of their founders or primary programmers >is now at an embedded OS company as seen at ><http://www.gensw.com/PAGES/ABOUT/STEVEJ.HTM>. Thanks John, I got some emailing to do... - MIke: dogas(a)leading.net

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100 year archiving

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Without going into a lot of extraneous detail.. I am on several comittees and groups etc., involved in the restoration and preservation of films, sound tracks, and video media. All the high-techsolutions notwithstanding, one of the long-term archival methods is still an optically-recorded signal on stablized mylar or estar-based photographic film of some kind. With the proper care in processing the film life is forcast to be in excess of 500 years, and all that is required to 'read' it is a light source and a photo-responsive device.. plus the algorithms to recover the intelligence from the data stream. In the case of purely analog info, an audio amp, speaker, (and knowing the language) are the only recovery criteria. Data is a little more complex, but hopefully in 2100 somebody will be able to translate. Unless we've managed to reduce ourselves to cave-man status once again. ;} Cheerz John

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Disasters and Recovery

by mark_k＠iname.com

On 18 Jan 1999 Eric Smith wrote: >Note that there are three important considerations to long-term data storage: >... >2) A suitable mechanism for the data recovery has to exist, or be > constructed. Sufficient technical specifications of the media format > has to be preserved to allow the preservation or construction of the > mechanism. >... >The second consideration may actually require the use of media that is not >optimal for the first consideration. For instance, other forms of optical >WORM discs might have better longevity than CDR, but the technical >specifications are not as readily available. Full description of the media is available, at least for several "standard" types of WORM disk; see e.g. http://www.ecma.ch/ -- Mark

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Vax available (kind of)

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

More information on the VAX 6000 at Bermans in California (408) 955-7908 This is a VAX 6000/330, sitting next to it is a TU81 Plus tape drive mounted above an RA-82. All in the "low" grey/white DEC cabinets (two cabinets total). Sitting on top of the TU81Plus are two boxes, one marked VAXStation 4000 - 60 and one marked BA42A, the latter has a SCSI connector so I presume it is the disk for the VAXstation. They are _not_ in this week's auction so I don't know what happened there. If you're interested call them, not me :-) --Chuck

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Zenith / Dos 2.11

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Can anyone help this guy? A -----Original Message----- From: Reddzz(a)aol.com [mailto:Reddzz@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 6:45 AM To: adavie(a)mad.scientist.com Subject: Dos 2.11 I have a Zenith Z120. Model ZWG-121-32. I, Not knowing what I had, loaded dos 3.3. I did not make a backup copy of the original dos. I need dos 2.11 so I can boot up the system & get it up & running again. If you cannot help me please respond as well so I can continue my search. If you know someone that could possibly help please forward this e-mail to them or get back with me. Thanks for your help in advance. Respectfully, Jim Hill

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IBM thingy!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

> >I went computer scrounging today and found a brief case style tool box with some kind on IBM tester in it. I have so idea what it is but it has an 8" floppy disk drive in it! I got the floppy disk too. It has a NICE handset with a 4 line LED display and a full keyboard attached by a cable. There's also a lot of strange looking connectors and adapters with it. The main box has an "IPL" button and three connectors labeled "PIO", "S LOOP" and "R LOOP". The quick reference chart only calls it a "MD". There's a tag on it that says "TYPE 910x 002". Anyone know what it is and what it's for? > > Joe I powered up the THING today. It says it's a Stand Alone Terminal Exorciser, PN 08309930, date 01/84. It passes the self test and brings up a menu that lets you select 327X Tutorial, 327X BSC, SDLC/SNA or R-LOOP. Selecting the R-LOOP option brings up another menu for 8775 Device or 3276 Device. That's as far as I can get in the menu, after that it asks for a CU address or will autoscan for it but of course there's nothing connected so it doesn't find what ever it's looking for. Does anyone know any more about it? Joe

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thoughts on UNIX and older systems

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>> Personally a VMS node suits my liking. >> >Mine too, but I haven't gotten all the parts for my VaxStation 3100 yet. > I have a few 3100-30's here for spares. What parts do you need? Dan

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TK50Z-GA EPROM

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

>>The main difference is the power consumption. The CMOS version takes a >>much lower supply current (even when selected). >> >>There may also be differences in the access time (but fast enough CMOS >>EPROMs exist) and the programming algorithm (but that only matters to the >>programmer). >> >>They are essentially pin/function compatible. > > Erm, correct me if I'm wrong ('cause I may very well be) but at least in > comparison with 4xxx CMOS vs. 74xx TTL, not only do the require less power > to do their job, but they can also *provide* less power on their outputs to > other chips' inputs, right? Hmm. You're comparing CMOS with TTL. The traditional EPROMs are not TTL but NMOS - very similar components (at the transistor level) to CMOS, but fewer different sorts available. NMOS uses enhancement mode FETS and depletion mode FETS of N-channel polarity. CMOS uses enhancement mode FETS of both sorts. In theory, depletion mode FETS could be fabricated by the CMOS process, but I've never heard of it being done except perhaps for NMOS-compatible outputs etc. So I don't envisage a difficulty here. The newer designs of CMOS parts should compensate for any inherent disadvantages with CMOS technology. Philip.

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OT? On Programming (was: Re: Computers for children)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 17, 19:01, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > Subject: Re: OT? On Programming (was: Re: Computers for children) > Pete Turnbul wrote: > ::I'd guess elm (which is what pine was originally based on) is smaller, > ::sleeker, and simpler. Not a bad thing... > My original choice of elm was basically because you got to pick from: > > * cat $MAIL > * mailx > * elm cat?? You don't use dd? ;-) > Hmm, let me think ... uh ... let's try elm. Sounds like a reasonable choice :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Disasters and Recovery

by roblwill＠usaor.net

But, when you consider things, most people wouldn't have seen what we consider a "hard drive" for probably 40-50 years, if not more. By that time, computers will probably be the size of, if not smaller than a 1999 hard drive. The computer in the time capsule will probably seem like the ENIAC does to those who are accustomed to today's compact desktops and laptops. I just thought of something else: Is a modern, voice-coil-driven (heads) hard drive even alignable? The old drives with the stepper were, but they usually operated on the principle of a floppy drive (in the way the heads moved, at least). In a modern drive, if the heads would somehow "un-align", all you would normally have done is get the data rescued, reformat the drive, and put everything back on, or, what *most* (not necessarily people on this list) people would do, is just get the data rescued (if their job, or life, depended on what was on the drive), trash the mis-aligned drive, buy a new one, and re-install everything. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Disasters and Recovery > >We're talking 100 years here. Computers didn't even exist in 1899, and >now you can wear one on a ring. I think aligning a 1999 hard drive, a >physical item that is still very visible by the naked eye, will be among >the more mundane tasks in 2099. > >Of course, the point is pretty much moot anyway. > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Always being hassled by the man. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 01/15/99] > >

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OT: Alien Media (was Disasters and Recovery)

by dpeschel＠u.washington.edu

Slightly related to the subject of reading CD's in 100 years: On one of their recent space probes, NASA put a DVD (just the disk, in a little pocket on the outside of the probe, possibly with a plaque of some kind but probably no directions on reading). I suspect DVD's are much more complex than CD's. I would trust a CD on a space probe more than I would trust a DVD. The records on Voyager (both Voyagers, I guess) -- which include styli and playing directions -- strike me as a MUCH better idea. -- Derek

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by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

>> I find this proposition very doubtful at best, although I don't have any >> solid figures for EPROM data retention. You seem to be suggesting a >> linear relationship between elapsed time and the number of bits that remain >> good. The actual curve is an inverse exponential (if memory serves). > > Wow! That would imply some sort of self-catalyzed reaction, and I'd be > very interested in hearing how that works! Eh? No it wouldn't. Never mind the mechanism, do a thought experiment. Sorry Hans, I mean a Gedankenexperiment :-) Assume you have a memory technology for which you expect half the bits to get zapped in 20 years. In another 20 years, half the bits will get zapped - but it won't be selectively all the others. On average, expect half the remaining (intact) bits to get zapped, and half the already zapped bits to get zapped. So you're left with a quarter. And so on. 20 years is thus the half-life of an exponential decay. Now with technologies like EPROM it's a bit more complicated, because the zapping of bits is not a random (Poisson) process but depends on a decay of charge within the device. But you get the idea (I hope). Philip.

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