- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by cbajpai＠mediaone.net

Hi, I new to the list and recently decided to persue my 'new' old hobby. I was wondering if anyone has any of these old systems: Gavilian Fortune 32:16 Momenta Anything with the Go OS I'm fortunate to have an old Go OS system...an IBM Thinkpad. Stupidly several years ago let a friend throw away the entire Go documentation set as well as SDK. About the same time I threw away one of the first notebooks made - an old Bondwell 8088 machine (mid-80's it was a real clunker of a machine)...my Mom wouldn't let me keep it due to space constraints....it went along with all my Creative Computer and Interface age issues! It pains me to think about all that stuff (including all the prototype systems I had, some which were never sold). I didn't know...honest. -Chandra

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Plato terminal

by geoffrob＠netcafe.pirie.mtx.net.au

I vaguely seem to remember that the Plato Courseware also ran, or they had a version for, the TI99/4A. They were pushing it at schools and the like IIRC. My first real computer was a TI....Still got it here somewhere, complete with the expansion box and 24k of additional ram, and a 5.25" FDD. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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HP Keyboard and cable

by Anthony.Eros＠digital.com

I recently acquired a DG Aviion 410 minus keyboard and mouse. Does anyone have leads on tracking these items down? -- Tony Eros

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Hello all!

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

You wrote... >Hi Jay, > > Welcome to the list. Where are you located? I collect smaller HPs >(9000s, 98xx stuff, 85s, calculators, etc). St. Louis, MO. Smaller HP's (9000)? The K and V class machines aren't that small <grin>! What's 98xx? Calculators? Nifty! I have an HP41C that I treasure, but a plastic connector cracked so the top half isn't always in good contact with the bottom half. Grrr... Anyone have a totally dead 41C that I could steal to use the plastic parts from? > I just send two HP 7907s with MAC interfaces to another list member. Humm... I must admit not being familiar with the 7907's. What was different about them from the 7906? I never saw any TSB docs that mentioned them... Got any 7900A's ? :) > What do you do at The Software Exchange (tseinc.com)? > Joe We Exchange our software for other people's money! <grin> I'm the owner there. We sell HP9000 series 800 machines (that's the HP-UX Unix boxes), but we sell only new machines (not used) as part of a vertical solution (with our manufacturing and distribution software). We also do custom programming, network consulting, and we're an ISP as well. Pretty diverse! We only deal in new HP Unix/RISC gear though, not any of the type that I like collecting (2000 TSB related). Also, our DARship only allows us to sell the series 800 stuff with our software. So - no - my desire for 21mx stuff is strictly for my personal collection at home (the 2000E was the first system I ever learned in high school). Other systems in my collection include Dec PDP-8E, PDP-11/23, PDP-11/73, HP1000E (2 of them), and a wide range of period peripherals (LA36, LSI & Hazeltine, Microterm, TU10, Kennedy tape drives, RX02's, etc). My current project is finishing restoration of the 8E (almost complete). Glad to be here on the list, and hope to contribute! Jay West

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IBM Displaywriter

by kstumpf＠unusual.on.ca

> It obviously doesn't have enough electronics to be more than a keyboard >terminal, but I don't recall seeing a box in the picture. I had understood the >displaywriter to be a stand alone machine. Did it have an additional box or was >it meant to connect to a CRT terminal hooked to a mainframe ? > At present it would seem to be about to join the 3270 monitor I have (can't >remember the model #) as interesting but unusable. The Displaywriter system I have has the keyboard, a monitor, a monitor base-unit, and a box that would sit besite the monitor, etc. It houses dual 8" diskette drives and the rest of the electronics. The cable that runs from this box to the monitor, etc. is permanently attached to the box explaining why you see only a connector. The printer plus form-feed attachment have a footprint that matches the rest of the system, but is even higher than the rest of the system. Early, unobtrusive office automation at it's best. In keeping with the 3 states of computing (hardware, software, eveyware), early IBM word processing technology elegantly passed through the first 2 states. In 1964 IBM coined the term word processing when it released the Magnetic Tape Selectric Typewriter followed the the Magnetic Card Selectric Typewriter and finally the Displaywriter product. This was the hardware state since these products were huge, dedicated pieces of hardware. Then IBM came out with the Displaywrite software series. The hardware melted into software and the technology entered the second state. Now word processing technology is everyware - fax, email, order entry, customer service...; it dissolved from software into everyware. There. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Kevin Stumpf * Unusual systems * www.unusual.on.ca +1.519.744.2900 * EST/EDT GMT - 5 Collector - Commercial Mainframes & Minicomputers from the 50s, 60s, & 70s and control panels and consoles. Author & Publisher - A Guide to Collecting Computers & Computer Collectibles * ISBN 0-9684244-0-6 .

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TI99: WP and PC

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

You wrote... >> WP... workspace pointer. back when the 9900 was new registers (memory) >> really ate up chip space and TI had an archetecture in the 990 minicomputer >> where register were in memory instead of in the CPU. So the WP is a pointer >> that points to a block of 16 locations in ram that are addressed in >> instructions as R0 through R15. > >Wow! What a cool architecture! That would be a very handy feature to >have in any processor. Wouldn't that be an awfully handy feature for doing a context switch? It would seem simply adjusting WP would perform the appropriate "change of personality" to select the next user/process... Jay

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Fwd: VAX mail shut down.

by dpeschel＠u.washington.edu

Daniel sent this to the list, but it got rejected because of a suspicious address -- he sent it as root -- and landed in my mail. So I'm resending it. I thought it best to take his address out of the message, so it wouldn't get harvested for spam. To contact him, replace "minako" by "bony" and replace "system" by "root". -- Derek > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:27:16 -0600 (CST) > From: Daniel Seagraves [e-mail address deleted] > To: [a bunch of other people] > Subject: VAX mail shut down. > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990130181926.2556B-100000(a)bony.umtec.com> > Approved: Why bother? > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > Just so everyone knows, the address SYSTEM(a)minako.umtec.com has been shut > down. It appears the MX software I have has no spam-blocking abilities > and always relays, and an upgrade to the version that does have these > features costs $500, which I don't have. Software has been released which > allows a spammer to sweep entire subnets for open relays, so ANY open > relay is unsafe! I'm extremely unwilling to do anything that aids > spammers (Like having an open relay) so the mailer daemon there was shut > down, permanently. Mails to there will probably bounce. I haven't had an > incident yet, but I'm not going to either. > > Daniel Seagraves | I'm an International Clandestine Arms Dealer! > #!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj > $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 > lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) > What is this? See http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa | 36 BITS 4EVER! > > >

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IBM Displaywriter

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

I picked up an IBM Displaywriter keyboard unit in a local thrift after eyeing it for a couple of weeks and finally couldn't resist adding it to my living-space challenged collection. I remember seeing mention of it in an old 81 datamation mag and a 50s style picture of a dedicated secretary busy at work on one and other info in possibly an old Byte. It was touted as being very popular to the point that it was touted over the PC and that CP/M programs were being ported to it. I opened it up and it has only a small I/O board with a 15 pin connector and takes it's power off that. It looks like an oversized C64. It obviously doesn't have enough electronics to be more than a keyboard terminal, but I don't recall seeing a box in the picture. I had understood the displaywriter to be a stand alone machine. Did it have an additional box or was it meant to connect to a CRT terminal hooked to a mainframe ? At present it would seem to be about to join the 3270 monitor I have (can't remember the model #) as interesting but unusable. Or could I get gadzillion bucks for it on e-pay ? Any info ? ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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List Postings

by joe＠barrera.org

>I think that would be a wonderful idea. The only downside I can see is that >a note cannot be posted to the list from someone, lets say, reading an >archive copy, without joining the list. Maybe that would be a good thing >though. Joining the list is pretty easy. And if someone is going to make a post, they might as well stick around a little to read the responses. - Joe

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VaxStation 3100's

by joe＠barrera.org

>Is it possible to run them without a display via the serial >port on the back? I have a related question... is it possible to run a VaxStation 3100 with a VR319-DA monitor? (The VR319 came with a DECstation 5000/125.) - Joe

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new toy!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> > It means patching the BIOS to reflect the format differences, and of <> > course you cannot format to 1440k (HD). Allison has done the 3.5" thin <> > I believe. <> <> I'd love to know how this is done. :) Real simple, mine has turbo rom and that knew about 80track two sided drives. I used a 3.5" disk with the advent personality card configured so it looks like a 5.25 80track dd drive and I get 782k per disk (close enough for 720k(different number of sectors but otherwise legit)! The drive was mounted in one of the two hole vacated but the 360k HH drive using a 3.5" to 5.25 adaptor bracket. The 3.5" drive is an older one that has a select switch for one of four drives. A newer drive can be used but you need to make a "odd" cable. Allison

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Antique Computer Rare Vintage HP-41C Classic [Re: FW: Nice finds]

by joe＠barrera.org

> Interesting. I know the guy that owns Hand Held Products. He started > out making EPROM boxs for the HP 41 calculators. Now he's made it big time You realize, of course, that the HP-41C is an "Antique Computer Rare Vintage Classic", right? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=61225809 - Joe :-)

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Windows 1.0?

by todd.osborne＠barnstormer-software.com

I have a copy of Windows 1.01 that I installed on an XT. What I am wondering, was there ever a publicly available 1.0? I cannot recall ever having seen it. Just curious... Todd Osborne Senior Software Engineer FMStrategies, Inc. http://www.fmstrategies.com/ -------------------------------------------------------- FMStrategies, Inc: tosborne(a)fmstrategies.com Internet E-Mail: todd.osborne(a)barnstormer-software.com -------------------------------------------------------- Founder of the Virtual Windows Class Library (C++) http://www.barnstormer-software.com/vwcl/ -------------------------------------------------------- Anagrams? (http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/) Can you figure out this one? Want the answer? E-Mail me. COCO VERDI MOM (Hint: Think Late 1970's Computer) -------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "The timid die just like the daring, and if you don't take the plunge then you'll just take the fall" - Michael Longcor

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photographing olf computers/parts

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Does anyone have any suggestions for ways to photograph parts of my collection? All i have is a basic 35mm camera and a polaroid... Should i use high speed 35mm film becasue of low light conditions indoors, or is a slower speed more important? Or is it important to have a white background for contrast.. Or should i try placing things on a flat bed scanner, etc.. Any suggestions are appreciated. I want to photograph some of my rarer items (Teraks, Sun 1, if you saw that Burroughs core memory that just sold on ebay I have one of those too plus a foot long chunk of wire-wrapped boards from that computer, etc). -Lawrence LeMay

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Hello all!

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

I just found out about this list so I thought I'd post this here in case someone can help... I appologize if this is a repeat post! Looking for anything HP21MX or HP2000 related - cpu's, peripherals, etc. Many of the HP1000 system peripherals are of interest too. My particular interest is TSB (Time Share BASIC), not RTE, so I'm also interested in IOP Roms, etc. Especially interested in the following: 21mx series cpus and controllers 2748A or 2748B high speed paper tape reader 790x type disk drives (7900, 7905, or 7906) 7970 tape drive TSB 1541 rev c or later paper tape (binary, loader1, and loader2) This is for a private collection, hobbyist use (not business or resale) - does anyone have any of this stuff around in storage they'd be willing to part with? Please reply directly to jay(a)tseinc.com. Thanks! Jay West

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free stuff

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, 28 January 1999 8:44 Subject: free stuff >We have enough Indy Cameras to sink a ship, but we'll probably keep those >for who knows what reason... Ok, I'll bite, WTH is an Indy Camera?? Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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photographing olf computers/parts

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 29, 9:58, Philip.Belben(a)pgen.com wrote: > Subject: Re: photographing olf computers/parts > Use the longest focal length you can That's sound advice. > The slower 35mm films are pretty good with a decent lens, but if you can > get the required magnification with the polaroid, it may be worth > considering since it is likely to be a less grainy process, and a larger > film area (i.e. lower resolution per inch <= same resolution across whole > picture) Actually, modern 35mm film is likely to be better. Don't use too slow a film; for technical reasons, the slower the film, the more contrasty it's likely to be. Too much contrast loses detail. > I have little experience with lighting computer stuff, but I imagine (say) > a board full of chips might require several light sources to avoid the > chips casting strange shadows. Mechanic/electrical artefacts tend to have a lot of reflections, and it's usually better to use one main (preferably diffuse) light source with a big reflector on the other side of the subject, to fil in the shadows. A big white board, or a bedsheet will do admirably. If you do want highlights off the shiny parts, you can always add a small light once you have the main lighting adjusted. If you're using artificial light, even for colour negatives, you'll get better results if you use a colour correction filter on the camera. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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FW: Nice finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

-----Original Message----- From: John R. Keys Jr. [mailto:jrkeys@concentric.net] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 1999 8:25 PM To: classicccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subject: FW: Nice finds -----Original Message----- From: John R. Keys Jr. [mailto:jrkeys@concentric.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 6:56 PM To: Classic Subject: Nice finds Well it's been awhile and I have picked a lot more items than I can list without causing problems. I have just few things worth telling everyone about. 1) video tape from by Microsoft called Windows At Work from May 20,1991 featuring Bill Gates giving the keynote address at the first Windows World Conference and Exposition. 2) four brand new unopened video's from Apple (1991) called Apple Mac Competitive Series - on Applications, Power, Networking, and Growth. 3) One used video called Welcome to Macintosh from 1989 4)The Home Computer Handbook ISBN 0-671-47221-6 really a great read with lots of photos 5) Tandem Advance Command Language reference manual. 6) Handheld products Micro-wand systems a model II & III hand held wands, a direct plug-in transformer, all the manuals and software for them. 7) Sailor-2 ONE/D EPROM programmer with manual and software 8) Datarase II EPROM eraser holds up to 4 40pins units at once. 9) Grid model 1810 notebook 10) Commodore Amiga A600HD unit 11) Commodore 1802 monitor 12) V-marc 88a computer 13) TRS80 model 12 14) LEX-21 terminal unit 15)CBM 2001 series works great 16) Otrona Attache portable computer 17) Heathkit H9 video terminal 18) About 30 2600 cartridges That's it for now but this is just a small amount of the items picked up over the last few weeks. Hope to have a web site up soon on concentric.net to list most if not all of the items I have in the collection. Keep Computing John

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Altairs

by davidfreibrun＠home.com

This page should answer your most of your questions. http://www.geocities.com/~compcloset/MITSAltair8800.htm#MITS Advertisements David davidfreibrun(a)home.com http://altaircomputers.org -----Original Message----- From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 3:16 AM Subject: Altairs >There is an ebay auction with two what look to be Altairs, but the second >does not have the MITS "title bar" at the bottom. I thought this was >discussed earlier but I can't find it. Were the early kits, machines, or >??? supplied without the strip, or did someone build it and just not attach >that trip? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=60303160 > >Is there a way to date when an Altair was made if the serial number is >missing or was not applied (type of motherboard, or other parts)? > >Did all the early Altairs have the crude 4 S-100 socket boards, or did they >make some that were more than 4 sockets?

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Soviet BK-0010

by Anthony.Eros＠digital.com

Wow! That sounds all kinds of neat -- any chance you have a line on more than one of these? I'd love to add a "computer-in-a-keyboard" PDP-11 to the collection! -- Tony Eros Computer History Association of Delaware ---------- From: Andrew Davie[SMTP:adavie@mad.scientist.com] Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 9:23 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Soviet BK-0010 I recently posted about the Soviet BK-0010 computer. I've since found out a bit more information about it. I'm reliably told that it has an actual PDP-11 processor inside it - and I naturally assumed it was a PDP-11 clone. Its not. In fact, it is a computer-in-a-keyboard, somewhat akin to the Commodore 64. The whole thing weighs 2kg or thereabouts. It's a simple home computer. There are two versions - a membrane keyboard (with brightly coloured keys!) and a "normal" keyboard one. More information as it becomes available. And here I was, expecting to have to arrange shipping for something the size of a fridge! I'm trying to arrange pictures - I may extend my site to include Soviet Microcomputers, too :) But that would be "MOSMOW" and it doesn't have the same catchy ring to it. I need a new acronym! A -- adavie(a)mad.scientist.com visit MOSCOW - the Museum of Soviet Calculators (on the Web) at http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/calculator/soviet.html a Yahoo!, Netscape, Wall Street Journal, Newsweek and New Scientist Cool Site!

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No Thank You [Re: Daily Laugh!]

by joe＠barrera.org

I already subscribe to other (better) joke lists.

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Sharp MZ80-B

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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GE Mainframes (235)

by museum＠techniche.com

Hi John, You know the mind works in weird ways. Your message just made some of my synapes fire. I believe you work for MGM right? I don't know if you caught my message from a few weeks ago, but I have a Qantel that my wife occasionally uses in our business. I remember hearing about 10 years ago that one of the markets that Qantel captured early on (late 70's?) was the intertainment industry. They used to have applications for off the wall vertical markets (e.g. film studios, football teams, etc). Have you ever seen one of these in use in your travels? I'm always surprized by what's still out there chugging away after all of these years. Jon ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > The Very First Computer I ever saw, in 1965, was the brand-new GE >235 that my father's company had installed. Because he was a VP, I >got to actually *go in the room* with all that machinery, though I >was but 12. Of course I died right then and went straight to Heaven. > > My question to the List is: are there any of these GE machines >from that era still extant? (let alone still working...) > > My absolute/ultimate Vintage Computer fantasy would be to have >that old 235 up and running... just so I could *smell* it once >more. I have never forgotten the warm smell of all that >electronics, and the Ampex tape machines, and the printer clattering >away.... > > > Sigh. > > > I have pictures of the 235 and 635.... but it's not the same... > > > Cheerz > >John > > > >

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GE Mainframes (235)

by jpl15＠netcom.com

The Very First Computer I ever saw, in 1965, was the brand-new GE 235 that my father's company had installed. Because he was a VP, I got to actually *go in the room* with all that machinery, though I was but 12. Of course I died right then and went straight to Heaven. My question to the List is: are there any of these GE machines >from that era still extant? (let alone still working...) My absolute/ultimate Vintage Computer fantasy would be to have that old 235 up and running... just so I could *smell* it once more. I have never forgotten the warm smell of all that electronics, and the Ampex tape machines, and the printer clattering away.... Sigh. I have pictures of the 235 and 635.... but it's not the same... Cheerz John

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Really Very Common and Ordinary, Hard Not To Trip Over, GE-645s [Re: Antique Computer Rare Vintage HP-41C Classic [Re: FW: Nice finds]]

by joe＠barrera.org

Are there going to be any systems still running MULTICS in ten years? The list at http://www.multicians.org/sites.html sure looks dire. I don't have to tell anyone on this list how incredibly historically important MULTICS is. - Joe

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Original Mac (fwd)

by siconic＠jasmine.psyber.com

Here's a guy wanting to sell his original MAcintosh. Please send e-mail directly to the seller: Mail-to: walk(a)me.unlv.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:18:29 -0800 From: Ray Kozak <walk(a)me.unlv.edu> Subject: Original Mac Have an original Mac 128 with image writerII, external drive, extermal modem and lots of software I would like to sell. Do you have any resources I can contact to detetermine a fair price and any bbs to list the system for sale? Thanks RCK Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)verio.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Always being hassled by the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0! See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details [Last web site update: 01/15/99]

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Attn: Andrew Davie-is e-mail address right?

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

OK, sorry about this post to the list... People having trouble contacting me please use adavie(a)comcen.com.au The adavie(a)mad.scientist.com is a valid iname redirected address - obviously they're having some problems. I use mad.scientist as it's cool :) and, should I change ISPs, I won't have to tell the world. A -----Original Message----- From: Computer Room Internet Cafe <netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Attn: Andrew Davie-is e-mail address right? -----Original Message----- From: Richard A. Cini, Jr. <rcini(a)msn.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, 29 January 1999 13:16 Subject: Attn: Andrew Davie-is e-mail address right? >Sorry for the intrusion, but I'm getting a bad IP address error on Andrew's >e-mail address. >

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FW: PDP11/70 + Lots of goodies available!

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

Anyone want an 11/70? This guy's going to trash it if no one steps forward. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: David Low <ghb04(a)dial.pipex.com> Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: PDP 11/70 Any value Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:00:45 +0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 52 Message-ID: <36ADBC79.5508E5E1(a)dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usern243.uk.uudial.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1B1F62740C54D10DB1C9CABC" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news1.jps.net!news.pbi.net!131.119.28.147!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!18.24.4.11!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail Xref: news1.jps.net alt.sys.pdp11:804 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1B1F62740C54D10DB1C9CABC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am finally having a clear out of my garage, amongst the stuff I have there is A Digital pdp11/70, including processor, 64 ports (emulex controllers) Kennedy tape deck, Processor has 4mb memory (Systime), there is a unibus expansion box which contains a disk controller, and the 2 x 32 port emulex controllers. I dont have the disk drives (which were 2 x Fuji super eagles). I have the software tapes, manuals etc. The sysgen listing and patches for Rsts/e 9.3. Is this worth out, or should I finally consign to the skip. (btw all the above is in a systime double width cabinet. regards,, David Low -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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Attn: Andrew Davie-is e-mail address right?

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Richard A. Cini, Jr. <rcini(a)msn.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, 29 January 1999 13:16 Subject: Attn: Andrew Davie-is e-mail address right? >Sorry for the intrusion, but I'm getting a bad IP address error on Andrew's >e-mail address. > >Andrew, if you can hear me, I'd be interested in the below... > > A quick check shows 3 pages of "Interface schematic" and a 3 pages of > "Display/Control Schematic" and assorted sundries. PLMK if you are >still > looking, and I can probably arrange something. > >Thanks! > >[ Rich Cini/WUGNET >[ ClubWin!/CW7 >[ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking >[ Collector of "classic" computers >[ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ >[ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ ><================ reply separator =================> >------Transcript of session follows ------- >Connection to mad.scientist.com failed. No Ip address found from >email.msn.com-10.48.181.33 >adavie(a)mad.scientist.com >Server received Winsock error Host not found. Your DNS seems to have a problem finding it for some reason. Host name: mad.scientist.com IP address: 207.51.48.65 Alias(es): None Works for me.... Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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Attn: Andrew Davie-is e-mail address right?

by rcini＠msn.com

Sorry for the intrusion, but I'm getting a bad IP address error on Andrew's e-mail address. Andrew, if you can hear me, I'd be interested in the below... A quick check shows 3 pages of "Interface schematic" and a 3 pages of "Display/Control Schematic" and assorted sundries. PLMK if you are still looking, and I can probably arrange something. Thanks! [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================> ------Transcript of session follows ------- Connection to mad.scientist.com failed. No Ip address found from email.msn.com-10.48.181.33 adavie(a)mad.scientist.com Server received Winsock error Host not found.

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Oops! Apology for misinformation about Altos donated to TCM

by joe＠barrera.org

>I am annoyed and depressed You are very much not alone. - Joe

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Handicapping competitions (was: Re: Alto II (was Re: PDP-8 prices

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

>> Hell, Sam, do a hard one. The main job is a piece of cake and I think >> Tony can do the extra-credit bit with _both_ hands tied behind his back. > > Well, I learnt to solder one-handed (very useful when you need the other > hand to hold something...), and no I don't mean pasting the solder on > with the iron.... > > But soldering without either hand? No thanks... I've never tried holding > a soldering iron between my toes... My usual method is to hold workpiece in left hand, iron in right hand and solder dispenser in mouth. I have also been known, when using solder straight from the reel, to make a fairly rigid structure from solder. Assuming a fixed workpiece, I suppose I could then hold the iron in my mouth... What about it, Tony? Philip.

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Oops! Apology for misinformation about Altos donated to TCM

by eric＠brouhaha.com

Sorry, it seems that I was mistaken. The Xerox Alto computers that were scrapped by The Computer Museum were not donated by Al Kossow, but apparently by MIT.

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Fwd: FS: Manuals for Heath/Zenith PC

by cfandt＠netsync.net

I'm passing this on from the Heath reflector. Reply to JPD <jdanter(a)I-AMERICA.NET>, not me. >X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) >Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:16:07 -0800 >Reply-To: JPD <jdanter(a)I-AMERICA.NET> >Sender: Heathkit Owners and Collectors List <HEATH(a)LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV> >From: JPD <jdanter(a)I-AMERICA.NET> >Subject: FS: Manuals for Heath/Zenith PC >To: HEATH(a)LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV > >I would like to sell these as a lot. >"Blue Moon" January special. ;) >Offers accepted until Feb 1. > >CP/M Software manual >H89A Heath manual, not a photocopy >Z100 Service volumes I + II >H88 H/WH89 Service Data manual >Z8911 I/O Card manual >Z8937 Disc Controller manual >H/WH19 Video Term. manual > Disc Diagnostic manual > >--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -- >To subscribe: listserv(a)listserv.tempe.gov >and in body: subscribe HEATH yourfirstname yourlastname >To unsubscribe: listserv(a)listserv.tempe.gov >and in body: signoff HEATH >Archives for HEATH: http://www.tempe.gov/archives >--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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free stuff

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 10:55 AM 1/28/99 -0500, William Donzelli wrote: > >If anyone is really interested in trying to get Indy cams to work with >older systems, I can supply some of the funky Cisco 60-pin cables. These >are from some V.35 clone cables we had made up some time ago, but are now >obsolete. The IndyCam has a fixed cable that ends in this male connector. What we'd need are female sockets. On the other hand, if we're adapting excess cameras, given the thinness of the cable, I'm sure it would make more sense to cut and rewire the cable. They're not using all the pins. - John

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ID request

by edick＠idcomm.com

THis might very well be a Multibus-I motherboard. The Multibus-1 had two connectors, of which only the 86-pin one was defined. Naturally, Intel and others "extended" the bus bu means olf the secondary (dual 30-pin) connector, in some cases to interconnect two boards and in others to provide additional addresses, etc. -Dick- -----Original Message----- From: Mike <dogas(a)leading.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 5:31 PM Subject: ID request >Hi. > >The green and copper of a board caught my eye today at the local thrift. At >first, I thought it was a four slot s100 motherboard but on closer >inspection I find the four slots are 86pin and it has a block harness for >Gnd,+5, -12, and +12. > >On the back is has: LEE DATA, 60001460 Rev A, WL-10, 31/85. > >Anyone know what this is for? > >Thanks >- Mike: dogas(a)leading.net > >

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more info on Old DEC stuff

by mopar+＠pitt.edu

Some have asked for more info on the stuff I have, so here is the list: print sets: 11/730 field maintenance 11/750 pcs module ka750 mos memory array comet memory unit tu77 tu78 tu80 3x RA81 extra boards 2x m7819 m9313 4x m8750 l0008 l0002 l0003 l0004 2x l0016 11/750 w/14M l0001 e1 l0002 e l0003 k2 l0003 p2 l0008 ya l0028 b2 m7485 m 7486 ya m7792 m7793 11/750 w/14M l0001 e1 l0002 e l0003 k8 l0004 m1 l0008 ya l0006 l0007 l0022 m7819 00 m7521 aa m7528 m7485 m7486 h m7454 battery 11/730 w/4M chassis is not in a cabinet, this is the way I got it dual tu58 m8390 m8391 m8394 -- Jerome A. Marella University of Pittsburgh - CIS Systems & Networks 600 Epsilon Drive, Pittsburgh, PA 15238 mopar+(a)pitt.edu (412) 624-9139 Fax (412) 624-6436 http://www.pitt.edu/~mopar

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Bashe IBM Early Computer book

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

The book also can be ordered at amazon.com. They do not have it in stock, but they are able to obtain copies. John G. Zabolitzky

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Classic Computer Auctions List

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 10:21 PM 1/26/99 -0800, Sam Ismail wrote: >To demonstrate that old >hardware that can be picked up for pennies can be combined to attain >amazing amounts of computing power. Amazing? How many orders of magnitude difference in horsepower between a C-64 and a $600 Best Buy Intel box? Perhaps I'm being unromantic, and I certainly have too many old computers of the XT/AT/486 variety, but I just don't "get" many of these distributed computing projects. (I do leave my spare contemporary computers working for the RC5 project at distributed.net, but that's another story.) Take 10 computers at 1 horse each, and they're still not equal to one contemporary (cheap) computer at 10 horses. Sure, there's hack value in doing it, but mostly for people with too much time on their hands, or for people who aren't paying for the electric bill or the room to put them in. Hack away, sure - but claim they're doing "useful" work? - John

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 28, 4:24, Pete Turnbull wrote: > On Jan 27, 15:11, Lawrence LeMay wrote: > > Subject: free stuff > > Documentation sets for the SGI Indigo R3000 computer. Drat, now I've done it too -- that wasn't meant to spam the list :-( -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 27, 22:36, R. Stricklin (kjaeros) wrote: > Subject: Re: free stuff > On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, R. Stricklin (kjaeros) wrote: > > > I'm heading home just now so when I get there I'll send along the > > incomplete pinout that SGI let out. > > > > The connector is a super-high density 60 pin one, identical to those > used as serial interfaces on Cisco 2500 series routers. 4 rows of 15 pins > each. > > Here's the info as found in the Indy Workstation Owner's Guide: > > > Pin Description > ---------------------------- > 7 serial control data > 9 serial control clock > 12 clock ground > 13 clock > 22 +12 > 23 +5 > 24 -12 > 27 data (7) ground > 28 data (7) > 29 data (6) ground > 30 data (6) > 31 data (3) > 32 data (3) ground > 33 data (4) > 34 data (4) ground > 35 data (5) > 36 data (5) ground > 46 data (0) > 47 data (0) ground > 48 data (1) > 49 data (1) ground > 50 data (2) > 51 data (2) ground > > all other pins are marked "reserved". > > Could somebody use this information to interface this camera to another > machine? Maybe. I certainly wouldn't care to. SGI never even used this > interface on any of their other machines. I suspect the idea was to use > the Indycam with the Indy's built-in ISDN interface so you could get > desktop video conferencing straight out of the box. It's also used on Indigo^2 machines. Yes, it was meant for videoconferencing, and many Indys came with an evaluation licence and media for the software. Part of the problem is that ISDN didn't take off; it's common in Europe (especially Germany) and in many places you can just plug an Indy into the wall socket (like the one I'm typing this on) but it's a very muddled setup in the States, with lots of different switch types, multiple interface boxes, etc, in some cases. One of my colleagues took an IndyCam apart, and he tells me the serial bus is based around a standard I2C chip. BTW, I wouldn't describe the quality as "abysmal". Given decent lighting, it's not bad at all (though only 640 x 480, or maybe 640 x 512). Under fluorescent lighting, colour balance can be awkward, but that's because strip lights don't emit a full spectrum, as any photographer will tell you. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 27, 18:13, Doug wrote: > Subject: Re: free stuff > On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Computer Room Internet Cafe wrote: > > > Ok, I'll bite, WTH is an Indy Camera?? > > A digital video camera for an SGI Indy. The market seems to be flooded > with them right now for some reason. A guy had a couple of boxes of them > at TRW last month. "IndyCam" -- they're moderately low-res (640 x 480 max, I think) 8-bit colour with a fairly unique interface. Meant for videoconferencing; they fit either an Indy or an Indigo^2. I've heard of people adapting them for other uses, though. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Hi, Lawrence. On Jan 27, 15:11, Lawrence LeMay wrote: > Subject: free stuff > Sigh. I'm losing my secret storage room where i've been tossing all sorts of > old manuals and such.. So, does anyone need this: > > Documentation sets for the SGI Indigo R3000 computer. I assume you're in the States, so shipping to the UK would probably be too expensive. Pity, as I have three Indigos sans docs. I don't need them, since I could always download the electronic version from the SGI technical library, but they'd be nice to have. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Bashe IBM Early Computer book

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Someone on the List mentioned a book: IBM's Early Computers by Charles Bashe (et al) 1986 Cambridge MIT Press It was described as out of print/unobtainable. Whipping into a phone booth, I tore off my glasses, slammed the reciever down into my Novation JCat acoustic modem, and dialed up www.abebooks.com . Entering: Bashe, Charles gave 8 instances of the title available. The one at Silicon Valley Fine Books has been spoken for. ;} The 7 others are waiting for you..... Cheerz John

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Gordon Bell computer books on-line

by joe＠barrera.org

And as I speak, Gordon is scanning a whole bunch more old papers to put on-line... I personally went and got him a pair of scissors so that he would stop ripping his bound papers by hand... :-) I think the one he was scanning was something like "have we learned anything >from the pdp-11"? - Joe

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PDP-8 prices

by joe＠barrera.org

> From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)freegate.com> > Sigh. The "PDP-8 in unknown condition" sold for $1526 on Epay. Wonder what > a cherry 8/E with all the trimmings would fetch? Ugh. >--Chuck I sent the seller (dschambe(a)uiuc.edu) three separate emails asking for ANY details about the system, and I received absolutely nothing in reply. So I'll never even know what type of PDP-8 it was... probably a VT-78 :-) Almost certainly not the straight 8 that I naively initially thought it was. I see that the same seller now has an IMSAI 8080 listed (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=59373250), not known to be working, no pictures, sold as-is. The bid is currently $810 without having met reserve. Any bets what it will end up going for? ... oh, and the matching dual floppies (also not known to be working) are also for sale, currently only $710. Since I'm blabbing here about ebay posts, be sure to check out the $5000 Rare Xerox Alto II computer system (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=58679296) before it disappears. Oddly, no one has bid on it yet. - Joe

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Storage problem

by kurtkilgor＠bigfoot.com

A very interesting article posted on Slashdot about the storage problems that are being experienced by the government: http://www.fcw.com/pubs/fcw/1999/0125/fcw-newsstorage-1-25-99.html If you don't feel like checking, it's about how it takes them so long to transfer data to new tapes, the tapes begin to decay by the time they're done.

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Bugbooks - Mark 80

by cswiger＠wilma.widomaker.com

List: Last night we found, in of all places the attic, some missing literature - my given up for lost original Altair BASIC Referance manual, complete with the little MITS tty test printout ( ?SIN(3.14159/6) \ .5 \ ok ), an Atari BASIC quick referance guide, ad for an Atari MPP modem, and most interesting "Bugbook III", 1975 which discusses a MARK 80 (8080) Microdesigner of E&L instruments. This is somewhat interesting as it consists of a backplane with a breadboard area complete with bus connections for interfacing experiments. Bus is called SK-10 and cards plug into dual wide DEC edge connectors. Anybody have a MARK 80? Is it any relation to the 8008 Mark-8? Chuck cswiger(a)widomaker.com

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UNIX robustness

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Allison, hit the wrong button ? cheers, emanuel ---------- > From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: UNIX robustness > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 4:57 PM > On the other hand I've seen UNIX pdp-11s run as long as power and hardware > was available. > > Allison >

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ID request

by dogas＠leading.net

Hi. The green and copper of a board caught my eye today at the local thrift. At first, I thought it was a four slot s100 motherboard but on closer inspection I find the four slots are 86pin and it has a block harness for Gnd,+5, -12, and +12. On the back is has: LEE DATA, 60001460 Rev A, WL-10, 31/85. Anyone know what this is for? Thanks - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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