- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mbg＠world.std.com

However, that faux-pax (sp?) leads me into letting people know that I have been working on compiling a list of all the DEC handbooks (pdp-8, pdp-11, vaxen, whatever) that I have, along with as much information about each that I can glean... If you check my home_systems page, there will be a link off of it to the list... So far, the earliest handbook I've found in my collection is a 1967 small computer handbook. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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DEC Handbooks - information please.

by mbg＠world.std.com

Whoops... sorry about that... it was meant to go to someone from the list, not the list itself... Megan

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DEC Handbooks - information please.

by mbg＠world.std.com

Hi -- I just sent you my latest list. While compiling it, I noticed that it appears as though some books were published by various groups. Like the IBG (Installed base group), LDP (Laboratory data products group), the Logic Products Group, and educational services -- to name a few. I may have to go back through my collection so far and see if I can determine this information for each of the books... Megan

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Hans Franke?

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Did Hans Franke die or something? I haven't heard even a peep from that loquacious Bavarian in a while. Maybe John Zabolitzky has heard from him in the past few weeks? Christian, do you have his telephone number by any chance? Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Always hasslin' the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 02/15/99]

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Commodore and the Hyperion

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

Hi people! Somebody brought my web page to the attention of ex-Commodore engineer George Robbins (as seen in the "Deathbed Vigil" video ;) ), and he had something interesting to say about the Hyperion: GR> Commodore actually bought rights to the Hyperion design and there were GR> a couple floating around West Chester. The design served as the basis GR> for the first 8088 based PC-clones that Commodore manufactured, though GR> they ended up in normal desktop cases. The next generation was based GR> much more directly on the IBM PC's (probably for 100% compatibility) GR> then we started making our own customer chips/asic to get the cost down GR> before switching to industry standard "chipsets" for 286-486 designs. GR> In the end it was cheaper to just buy and resell clones from HK. GR> GR> On of my tasks at Commodore before the Amiga stuff took over was to GR> make a comparison of the Hyperion design and our current PC design to GR> "prove" that we weren't using any of the Hyperion proprietary design GR> features and there was no reason we should continue paying them GR> royalties on every PC we sold. 8-) As for the Commodore Hyperion in Jim Brain's Canonical List of Commodore Computer Equipment, Mr. Robbins was only able to say that maybe Commodore Canada sold Hyperions with the Commodore label as part of the deal. He has no direct knowledge of Commodore selling Hyperions in the form that Dynalogic made them. Does anyone on this list have a Commodore-branded Hyperion? -- Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/

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Whats a uVax II worth these days?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Anybody want to trade a MicroVax II in the original "wide body" side car (on wheels no less) for a PDP-8 (any model) ? --Chuck

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Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, 24 February 1999 17:23 Subject: Re: Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk) >CMUIP doesn't have working NFS, No it doesn't, technically, I believe there are unofficial patches that partially fix it, though I'm not sure how well. >and it's been my experience that the FTP included with it is less than stellar. Last version is somewhat better, however the Madgoat FTP offering is infinitely superior. (And still freeware) >Personally I'd like to see OpenVMS (VAX/Alpha), NAS-150, Motif, and the >languages at a minimum made available for hobbiests. Let's face it, they >need as many people as possible running the stuff. Seconded. Lack of (amongst other things) a C compiler (Gcc is not fabulous under VMS imho) is a major headache, and the Decpaq pricing structure is not likely to encourage private ownership. Access to UCX for hobbyist users would also be a good thing, but I think the Motif problem is not going to be that easy, as it involves crosslicensing from elsewhere, which means it would cost Decpaq money to give away hobbyist licenses. That this would undoubtably be a PR victory for them may not be sufficient incentive. That's my understanding of the situation anyway. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Michael Grigoni <msg(a)computerpro.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, 24 February 1999 15:18 Subject: Re: Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk) >Jim Strickland wrote: >> >> Whee! it's finally here! I got my vaxstation 3100 from Tim in the mail today! >> It's a Vaxstation 3100 model 42 a-bd with a mighty 8 megs of ram. >> >> It works, too! Tim thoughtfully loaded VMS 6.01 on the rz23 ... > >We've had to keep our clock set back to preserve our VMS and TCP/IP >and NFS and numerous other packages... > >Anyone have a clue as to how we can preserve the software without >moving to some 'hobby' license of a newer VMS? They have expiring licenses then? I must have got lucky, all my VMS boxen have everlasting ones. The only expiring license I ever saw on any of my systems was one for RDB (I think). Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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Tektronix 4051 magic mode found!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Try "Exec". I don't have any details of how to use it, sorry. Let me know what you find out. Joe

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teledisk (forward of their e-mail to me)

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Sorry for the long, yucky forward, but I thought I'd save folks time negotiating with these people. I basically feel they're being petulant about how nobody registered teledisk (which I understand, I guess, but can't understand why they won't *sell* me a single user copy). Note that this is in reverse chronological order, with the most recent note first. My reply to this was "thank you for your time, I will be deleting teledisk from my system." I can't fault Ms St. Clair for being unfriendly or unhelpful, just her company for being stupid. And I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $150 dollars for a 25 user site license of software that has to run in a DOS window. -Jim > From miriam(a)sydex.com Mon Feb 22 11:45:01 1999 > Message-ID: <199902221038530000.00B8538A(a)10.0.0.254> > X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.40 > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:38:53 -0800 > From: "Miriam W. St. Clair" <miriam(a)sydex.com> > To: jim(a)calico.litterbox.com > Subject: Re: Information Request: general > > 22 February 1999 > > Dear Mr. Strickland, > > TeleDisk was removed from shareware precisely because fewer than 1% of > its (often hobbyist) users were willing to purchase a registered > copy--but all of them were quite willing to call for support. Version > 2.12 was the last available shareware release, and it will not run > properly in an MS-DOS session under Windows 95/98 nor on most Pentium > systems. Sydex discontinued the distribution of Version 2.12 in early > 1991 when TeleDisk was dropped from our shareware product line. We do > not offer any kind of support for this release. Quite frankly, we're > surprised at the number of people who expect a 1990 hardware-sensitive > DOS product to run under Windows 95 on Pentium systems. > > The 25-user license for TeleDisk Pro is a site license, and it may be > used only at one specified location. > > As I mentioned earlier, CopyQM will handle a number of unusual formats. > You need to work in MS-DOS command-prompt mode, with DIRECT hardware > access, and in BLIND mode. We've made numerous copies of various CP/M > diskettes here using CopyQM in the manner described, so please give it > a try. > > That's the best we can do this time. Again, we regret the > circumstances that make it impossible for us to offer TeleDisk Pro for > shareware registration fees. > > Regards, > > Miriam W. St.Clair > for Sydex, Inc. > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 2/22/99, at 11:07 AM, Jim Strickland wrote: > > >> 22 February 1999 > >> > >> Dear Mr. Strickland, > >> > >> What you found is definitely hacked, so all bets are off. 22DISK > has > >> the less expensive price since it's still a shareware product, and > >> since its users have pretty much supported it by registering > (although > >> we've seen big negative changes in this practice over the last > couple > >> of years). TeleDisk was removed from shareware distribution in > 1991, > >> and we've sold it ever since as a commercial product. I'm very > sorry > >> that we cannot offer a single-user price now. > > > >How unfortunate. Considering the general standardization of disk > formats in > >the last couple years - ie macs read PC disks, pcs read mac disks and > not much > >else is out there - I would have thought the hobbiest market was one > you would > >pursue with this product. A question. If I went ahead and bought the > 25 user > >license, would it then be legitimate to share it with 24 of my > hobbiest friends > >? > > > > > > > >> You might try one more thing before you give up the hobby entirely. > >> Pick up the evaluation copy of CopyQM from our Web site. Use it > under > >> straight MS-DOS (no Windows, please for this particular use), and > see > >> if it will make copies of your Kaypro diskettes in BLIND mode. This > >> might work, and CopyQM can still be purchased for a shareware > >> registration fee. > > > >Thanks for this information. I'll give it a try. Unfortunately the > de-facto > >standard for this kind of thing seems to be teledisk 2.12, which won't > run > >properly on my windows machine. > > > > > ================== > Miriam W. St. Clair > Sydex, Inc. > P.O. Box 5700 > Eugene, OR 97405 > USA > Voice: 1 541 683 6033 > FAX: 1 541 683 1622 > Email: miriam(a)sydex.com > WWW: http:/www.sydex.com > -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Data Products Portacom model PC 8110

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Does anyone have any information about a Data Products Portacom terminal? This is a very old printing terminal (i think it was purchased in 1973) that weights over 30 pounds and is built into a black carrying case (sort of like an attache case, er, make that more like a American Tourister...) It has a teletype like ribbon, and it prints in a strange manner. the printhead is behind the page of paper, with 8 rows of 8 characters on a hexagonal horizontal rod. Its very hard to describe, since the entire device is full of somewhat bizarre mechanical parts. I really wish I had a expensive camera that could take closeup shots of stuff like this. -Lawrence LeMay

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Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<with my network is to have another machine that talks both DECnet and TCP/I <Apparently, there is a Linux DECnet, but Zane has been having trouble getti <it to work. Another possibility is a VAXstation that talks both DECnet an <TCP/IP. < <So, is this possible? Will the hobbyist VMS do it? Or will Ultrix do it? <What is the smallest *VAX* that will do this? Note that I don't think I <require any routing between the protocols. I would be happy just to be abl <to transfer files to/from my TCP/IP network to the *VAX* and to be able to <independently transfer files to/from my Pro using DECnet. Yes it's possible. A vs2000 with a RD54 and VMS 5.3->6.1 and CMU-IP. and you have what you need. VS2000 is about the smallest vaxen made at around .5cuft. The alternate is a copy of ultrix with decnet but finding that may be harder. Routing is not an issue if they are both end nodes in the same DECNET area. Generally this is something VAXen do well. Allison

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Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<It works, too! Tim thoughtfully loaded VMS 6.01 on the rz23 it came with, <after hooking it up to my apple2GS with spectrum (also a classic computer : <I got the thing to boot up into VMS. VERY cool. :) < <Wishing it had TCP-IP, but heck, if it had *everything* I want on it, <where would the challenge be? :) Get the CMU-IP stack off the net. You may have kermit in the basic 6.01 install. Allison

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International Data Sciences, model 1310 modem test set

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Does anyone have any information about the modem test set listed in the subject line? This unit is dated from 1980, and uses 3 Nixie tubes for displaying an error count, or blocks analyzed. It can go as high as 9600 baud, or as low as 75 baud, including popular rates such as 134.5 and 150... -Lawrence LeMay

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It's ALIVE!

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Well, thanks to everyone with good suggestions, and especially thanks to Don for providing the boot disk image, I've been able to get the kaypro 4/84 to boot! It came up in conversation that there were later versions of teledisk, and after some heavy web searching I found one on a page for synthesiser users that works with my computer in a dos window, even. I guess I'll have to register it now. For reference, it's version 2.16. So now it's off to Oak for nifty apps, I guess. :) I do have another question: the image on my kaypro's screen is somewhat cockeyed. Is there an easy fix for this? -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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DEC Handbooks - information please.

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I have the clasic... > > _introduction to programming_ 1972 I have several copies of that one, along with several copies of the second classic book (the yellow-covered one, I forget the title right now). I also have the thin Focal programming book. Most are not out of boxes right now, but I have a few within reach. _pdp11 handbook_ This isn't the oldest one, since it mentions both the 11/20 and the 11/10, but it is old - 1970. _processor handbook_ (pdp11/20,15,r20) 1972 _processor handbook_ (pdp11/45, 1973 signed by Gordon Bell _peripherals handbook_ 1973-74 _pdp11/60 processor handbook_ 1977-78 EB-06498-76 _pdp11 processor handbook_ (pdp11/04/24/34a/44/7-0) 1981 EB-19402-20/81 (copyright 1981) EB-19402-20/85 (copyright 1985) (slightly thinner book) _peripherals handbook_ 1981-82 EB-20443-20 _pdp-11 Architecture Handbook_ 1983-84 EB-23657-18 _pdp-11 MICRO/PDP-11 Handbook_ 1983-84 EB-24944-18 >Actually I have a good selection of the late 70s throuth the 80s PDP-11 >hardware books. At one point, I got myself on an automatic distribution list for any new handbooks... it was great. >One set I have it the two volume white books: > > LSI-11 Systems Service Manual (for field sevice) Yep, I have that also... Plus, the three binder set: LSI-11 Systems Service Manual Volume I - Systems Options Volume II - Module Options A-K Volume III - Module Options L-Z EK-LSIFS-SV And the seven volume set (currently in my office) on communications devices... I have an old DOS/Batch manual (the 8.5" by 11" by 2.5" thick manual and some old pdp-10 manuals as well (from 1970). I'm going to have to catalog them... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Introduction

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Cameron Kaiser <ckaiser(a)oa.ptloma.edu> wrote: > This made me think of something. How many AMOS (Alpha Micro OS) users are > there in the audience? The Salvation Army for years used 68K AMOS-based > servers for local corps networks (with dummy terminals in the offices). > AMOS > BASIC, yech! > I've rescued an Alpha Micro 1042E. It's S-100, 68K, multiuser, running AMOS. I don't have any docs and the only software is what's already installed on its hard drive. In fact, I don't see any obvious way to get software into or out of it: there's no floppy drive. But there is a board to backup files to a vcr (yup, a video cassette recorder). Interesting. -- Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com

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Here's an odd item to look at!

by cswiger＠wilma.widomaker.com

>There is an interesting item up for sale on e-bay right now, for all you >altair collectors. For the life of me, it looks like someone made a >portable altair 8800. Just have to comment that: The keyboard looks exactly like one Shadio Rack sold as a kit (&these fingers did a *lot* of typing on ) - they must have been readily available to be used in the TVT also. That was the parallel kbrd I'd like to find a replacement for. Seems I recall, was is Don Lancaster had a whole 'TV Typewriter Cookbook'? FInd one of those cheap and make your own, complete with 'page 1/2' toggle switch, pushbutton scrolling, hehe. Chuck cswiger(a)widomaker.com

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Textfiles.com

by max82＠surfree.com

Slashdot today reported on an apparently new site, www.textfiles.com. It is a huge archive of various plain-text files, some classic-computer related, and certainly PC Clone related. --Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)

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Fw: Anyone interested in tons of various PDP-11/780 and 785 boards

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

following posted in alt.folklore.computers. I'm sure some of the list members will be interested..... It's times like this I almost wish I lived in America..... -----Original Message----- From: Kent Rankin <srao(a)usit.net> Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11,comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms,alt.folklore.computers Date: Monday, 22 February 1999 17:49 Subject: Anyone interested in tons of various PDP-11/780 and 785 boards > I know of a metal scrapper in VA that has tons of PDP(/VAX)-11/780 >and 11/785 in his yard. With them are lots of other boxes(CDC, IBM, >Intergraph, etc.). > > The PDP-11/78x's are packed with boards, all the way across. A >fellow that was with me, when I checked them out, used to work for >Intergraph(when they used PDP-11 and VAX) said that they all had 32MB of >RAM. > > My question here lies with the acquisition of them. Would anyone be >willing to pay some cash for them? The fellow is having a hard >year(making much less than normal), and could use some help. The way I >figure it, someone might need some of the boards. Just a shot in the >dark, really. > > There are also some "floating point accelerators". They are made by >Floating Point Systems. > > Tons of Power Supplies for the PDP's(H7-somethingorothers). Loads >of hard drives and stuff. > > Anyhow, if anyone can help on this one, do tell me. > > > >Thanks in advance, > >Kent Rankin Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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Info on Storage Dimensions SCSI external drives needed

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

I just obtained (and I shouldn't have) a nice unit. It is an externla case made for 2 external drives, ith 2 full height 760mb SCSI hard drives enclosed. Of course I've already been inside of it - what would everyoe think of me if I hadn't been? Anyway, it's a Storage Solutions (of San Jose, CA) model LAN2-1300S2PX and I was wondering if anyone else has one, dealt with one, or has actual tech/users manuals they might be nice enough to photocopy. No. I haven't tried to contact this company yet but I will later today. Thanks for any help in advance.

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here's the list . . .

by zmerch＠30below.com

Once upon a midnight dreary, Arlen Michaels had spoken clearly: > On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote: >> BIOTECH ELECTRONICS BCT800 graphics board - uses AMI 68047 chip and 12 >> 2114's to produce 256x192 graphics and text. >> >I have an _unassembled_ kit for the BIOTECH card, but I'd love to get a >copy of the documents, which I lack, and any software that accompanied it. Erm, sounds like that AMI chip is a clone of Motorola's 6847 VDG, which was used in Tandy's CoCo 1 & 2, and the MC-10. I wonder: 1) if they're pin compatible, 2) if they've got added functionality -- might be fun to play with in one of my CoCo's if there is! See ya, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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here's the list . . .

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote: <wonderful list shortened--drool, drool> > Processor Technology "CUTS" cassette interface? board > > BIOTECH ELECTRONICS BCT800 graphics board - uses AMI 68047 chip and 12 > 2114's to produce 256x192 graphics and text. > I have an _unassembled_ kit for the BIOTECH card, but I'd love to get a copy of the documents, which I lack, and any software that accompanied it. I DO have documents for the Processor Tech CUTS board, if that's needed. <more great stuff> > Morrow Thinker Toys "Switchboard" Serial/Parallel I/O board - with doc's > I could use this to keep my much-appreciated Morrow Keyed-Up 8080 Cpu Card company. > in addition to the S-100 stuff, there are numerous 4-and 9-slot Multibus I > cardcages and several memory boards, floppy and hard disk interface cards, > and a few iSBC's I don't intend to keep. > I've also got some Multibus stuff. Is anyone into this? -- Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com

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Big Board cpm system board (fwd)

by edick＠idcomm.com

Well . . . it's not MY kid that moving in, but the dog is glad . . . you can count on that! Dick ---------- > From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Big Board cpm system board (fwd) > Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 1:11 PM > > At 08:47 AM 2/22/99 -0700, Dick said: > > > >Now that my kids are gone I've got to nag at someone. > > > Gee, I'll bet you're glad one of them is moving back in! > > Joe

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FWD: Anyone interested in tons of various PDP-11/780 and 785 boards

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Hey big and little iron fans: Found this in the ng comp.os.vms under title "Anyone interested in tons of various PDP-11/780 and 785 boards". Looks like the scrapper mentioned has some interesting stuff in addition to DEC which he may sell just for scrap price if the price is right. A few of you are from down in VA area I believe. Comments? Was posted to several other ng's too. On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:19:31 GMT, Kent Rankin <srao(a)usit.net> wrote: > I know of a metal scrapper in VA that has tons of PDP(/VAX)-11/780 >and 11/785 in his yard. With them are lots of other boxes(CDC, IBM, >Intergraph, etc.). > > The PDP-11/78x's are packed with boards, all the way across. A >fellow that was with me, when I checked them out, used to work for >Intergraph(when they used PDP-11 and VAX) said that they all had 32MB of >RAM. > > My question here lies with the acquisition of them. Would anyone be >willing to pay some cash for them? The fellow is having a hard >year(making much less than normal), and could use some help. The way I >figure it, someone might need some of the boards. Just a shot in the >dark, really. > > There are also some "floating point accelerators". They are made by >Floating Point Systems. > > Tons of Power Supplies for the PDP's(H7-somethingorothers). Loads >of hard drives and stuff. > > Anyhow, if anyone can help on this one, do tell me. > > > >Thanks in advance, > >Kent Rankin > Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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Apollo Cartridge Tapes

by ss＠allegro.com

Hi, I've got five Apollo cartridge tapes that might be of interest to Apollo collectors: 1) System Release Ver SR10.1 RAI (three tapes) 015366 (and 015367, and 015368) REV. 00 CRTG_STD_SFW_1 (and _2 and _3) 2) 015365 REC.00 CRTG_STD_SFW_BOOT_1 SYSTEM RELEASE VER SR10.1 RAI 3) (hand written label) SPE VER 1.3 SOURCE AREA If you're interested, let me know. sieler(a)allegro.com

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Big Board cpm system board (fwd)

by edick＠idcomm.com

Nope . . . yours was a "typergeographical" error . . . I was referring to the OTHER email . . . the one you had received . . . we all suffer from that "rented finger" syndrome from time to time . . . the other author didn't know when to quit, e.g. "flopy" and "frammed." Now that my kids are gone I've got to nag at someone. Dick ---------- > From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Big Board cpm system board (fwd) > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 9:35 PM > > On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > Maybe it would be well to send this fellow a spell-checker . . . ? > > I think I am the one with the 'fumble-fingers'! > > - don > > > ---------- > > > From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> > > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > > Subject: Big Board cpm system board (fwd) > > > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 8:52 PM > > > > > > > > > Iredeived the following e-mail today. Anyone interested should reply > > > directly to the original sender. > > > - don

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Here's an odd item to look at!

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Does anyone has an ALTAIR sticker that they don't need? I'm trying to get rid of a C64 and would like to get lots of money for it. Francois PS: ;) -----Original Message----- From: Noel Fields <nfields(a)ix.netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 4:01 PM Subject: Here's an odd item to look at! >There is an interesting item up for sale on e-bay right now, for all you >altair collectors. For the life of me, it looks like someone made a >portable altair 8800. > >Is that what it is? Or is this just a part of an altair (I'm curious now!) > >Here is the address for those interested.. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=69787811 > >Noel >

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It's ALIVE!

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi All, At 04:21 PM 2/22/99 -0500, William wrote: > >As far as actually handling a tube - no they really are not very >dangerous. If one makes sure to drain any high voltage points (twice for >each, at least), follow all of the other high voltage advice already given >(and probably in the FAQ), and do not drop the tube, you will be fine. >Post 1960 CRTs are actually quite tough and will sustain a great deal of >physical abuse. When they break, the neck shatters first and lets all the >air in. The days of the nasty implosions due to no safety glass are gone. > There may be safety glass on the front, but the back sure can implode, not just the neck. I once had a b/w TV CRT face down in a open cardboard box and something heavy fell on it :-(. That's one way to learn not to put one into that position again. -Dave

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DEC Handbooks - information please.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> > I am trying to compile a pictoral history of DEC handbooks. The tentati <> <> Besides the ones everybody has, I have an early DEC handbook: <> Digital Logic Handbook, Sept 1960 <> <> -- Doug < <That's got me beat: I've got 1967-68, but nothing older. I have the clasic... _introduction to programming_ 1972 I've seen older copies but mine is in good shape. Others include the ubiquitous: Small Computer handbook 1973 Pdp-11 peripheral handbook 1973-74 Microcomputer handbook 1976-77 Actually I have a good selection of the late 70s throuth the 80s PDP-11 hardware books. One set I have it the two volume white books: LSI-11 Systems Service Manual (for field sevice) Allison

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My Lucky Day PS MINC

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Either LSI11/03 or 11/23 CPU card M7264 or M8186, respectively >64K RAM (I forget the name - it's the standard M8044 card - is that an >MSV11?). Maybe more than one on an 11/23 system MSV11-D was 32KW (64KB) Ram (up to 4 can be used) >DLV11-J quad serial port (one for the console, 3 for the user) M8043 >LPV11 printer port M8027 >IBV11 GPIB interface Don't remember off-hand... there was no standard RT-11 device handler for it... >Either RXV11 (RX01 floppy drives), RXV21 (RX02 floppy drives) or RLV11 >(hard disk) controller RXV11 M7946 RXV21 M8029 RLV11 M8013/M8014 (Q/CD) >In the far left slot there's a BDV11 boot/terminator card. M8012 Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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SoCal TRW Swapmeet

by jpl15＠netcom.com

My... where *does* the time go? Why, just last month, it seems, I was posting a similar message to this List: Saturdak, 27 Februark (dates adjusted to comply with Y-to-K conversion) 1999 is yats... Yet Another TRW Swapmeet. Any classiccmpers or others who will be in the Southern California area on Saturdak the 27th are invited to drop by and try to get some of the goodies before Marvin and myself scoop them all up. In Los Angeles, from the 405 (San Diego) freeway, take the Rosecrans exit west, go one mile to Aviation, turn left (south) under the Metroline bridge, go south about 1/2 mile... the Event will be on the west side of Aviation in the southernmost parking lots of the TRW El Segundo facility. Time is from 07:30 to 11:30 local, 15:30 to 19:30Z. I (and Marvin) will occupy spaces J21 and J23, and I will offer good company and pretty good food to any who wish to join us for an after-swap Classiccmp get-together. Last time there were eight of us... the more the merrier. If you have a few items to exchange for other items, or to sell to get money to *buy* more items... you are welcome to bring them by and display them to the Wandering Crowds. Let me know in advance if you plan on this, so Logistics may be considered.... and so I can get one up on Marvin in case you have something we both want. ;} And now back to your Regular List Programming. Cheerz John

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question about viruses

by hhacker＠gte.net

Friends: First, let me apologise for the anti-spam message I sent to this group. I did not properly check the destination address before sending, and it was inadvertent. Second, about computer viruses. Sam Ismail said that he had an article from the LA Times dated in 1986. I would love to see the article. Ward D. Griffiths III noted the value of the idea as described in the book by John Brunner, The Shockwave Rider. It is an excellent book but, the worm (or virus) issue is ancillary to the plot of the book. Still, in my paper, Apple Worm (published in the November 1986 issue of Call A.P.P.L.E. magazine - as the cover story), I make reference to the book. In this paper, Apple Worm, I provide a detailed design of a virus program which would operate upon Apple II computers, via the Hello program mechanism. As far as I know, it is the first such exposition of the techniques of computer virus writing ever published, though I am aware of some descriptions of the idea as far back as 1972. This earliest description is published in the journal Software: Practice and Experience. There is another early publication of this nature in the journal Communications of the ACM, written by Schoch, et al. I do not remember the date of the article but, I do have a copy. I will do the necessary research and report the information, if no other person bets me to the punch. It is very likely that my paper, Apple Worm (written together with the late James R. Hauser, a former professor of mine at the California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo), is a major influence upon the proliferation of computer viruses at that time. :) As far as I know, the Brunner text is the first mention of the concept of a computer virus in the literature, as the paper in Software: Practice and Experience mention only the game DARWIN, as played at the AT&T Bell Labs. Interestingly, DARWIN is the source of motivation for A. K. Dewdney's construction of the game Core War. William R. Buckley -----Original Message----- From: Ward D. Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 1:06 PM Subject: Re: question about viruses >On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Charles Oblender wrote: > >> Could any one point me to a source for the history of viruses and >> computer worms. I'm doing a recearch paper and I'm looking for sources. > >Well, the origin of the words themselves applying to computers is the >novel _The Shockwave Rider_ by the late John Brunner. Highly >recommended, though somewhat dated technically now (unavoidable in any >writing about computers set decades in the future -- and this novel >was published in 1975). > >Other than that, you might try digging through the web pages of some >of the anti-virus product vendors. >-- >Ward Griffiths >"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then >you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor >

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My Lucky Day!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Today I just visited with an old friend that I haven't seen in years and found out the he's an OLD computer buff. Turns out that he has a house full of OLD computers. SWTPC, Altair, Alpha Micro, Lisa and more. Today I picked up a MITs 8" disk drive for the Altair and an Alpha Micro computer. He's promised me more including another Altair computer and "nearly one of everything WSWTPC sold". Does anyone have docs for the Altair 8" drive? I need to find out if everything is here and how to hook it up. Does anyone have any good URLs for the Alpha Micro stuff? I don't know what all these cards and stuff are. There's some very strange looking stuff in it. Does anyone have any pointers for fixing the power supply in an Apple Lisa? Joe

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Cromemco Dazzler

by edick＠idcomm.com

I was digging throught the pile of "stuff" from days of old, and find I have a board-set (S-100) which is a Cromemco (remember them?) Dazzler video board set. I don't remember using this for anything. What probably happened is that I read the doc's and determined it was indadequate for my purpose and set it aside . . . the box (the cardboard box in which it was pacakged by Cromemco, looks like sh*t but the contents were apparently unharmed by the passage of 20 years, of which most were spent in the junk pile. Is anyone interested? Dick

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Big Board cpm system board (fwd)

by edick＠idcomm.com

Maybe it would be well to send this fellow a spell-checker . . . ? ---------- > From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Big Board cpm system board (fwd) > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 8:52 PM > > > Iredeived the following e-mail today. Anyone interested should reply > directly to the original sender. > - don > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:40:03 -0600 > From: rick <arger(a)attcanada.net> > To: donm(a)cts.com > Subject: Big Board cpm system board > > D; > I have an old "Big Board" cpm computer pcb (unpopulated) that I bought in > the early '80's (I think), I have docs for it and a flopy controller chip > for it. Is there anyone who might be interested in this. I'd probably sell > it for what I payed for it. Otherwise perhaps it should just be frammed and > put up on a wall... ? > Know anyone who might desire it ? > R. >

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MISC HP docs - mainly 3000 series, terminals, etc.

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Hey folks; I was digging up some HP2000 info for the 13210 controller, but also saw the following manuals which I probably don't need as they appear 3000 related. If anyone is in need, they are... Installation and Service 29425a cabinet HP3000 series II system service manual HP3000 series II system installation manual HP3000 series II system microprogram listing HP3000 series II microprogramming language description Maintenance manual 30032B asynchronous terminal controller for HP 3000 Maintenance manual 30115a 9 track NRZI-PE mag tape subsystem for HP3000 CE service handbook for 7911/12/14, CS/80, 7941/45, 9145A CE service handbook for 300H, 300S, 9144A, 9145A, 35401A, diagnostics Operators manual 7961b, 7962b, 7963b Plus manuals for the following terminals: Microterm Act I, Act IV, Act V, Mime2, Mime340, Ergo2000 Televideo 910 Beehive minibee 4 Hazeltine 1500 Here's the disclaimer - I haven't dug into these manuals in detail, but on the surface they seem to not apply to my interest areas. If there's one you want, let me know. If after looking at it more closely I find it is applicable to 2000/21mx hardware that I have or plan to acquire shortly, I'll only provide copies not originals. BTW - still looking for a 2748A/B type paper tape reader, and always 7900a disc drives! Jay West

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VT320 terminal

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

In a thrift-shop I picked up a copy of of a DEC Installing and Using the VT320 terminal. Later I ran across the machine itself with K-B at the main store. I passed it by at the time since I had acquired a bunch of other equipment and couldn't handle it. It was only $15 , but I'm rapidly running out of space. Is it worthwhile going back for it ? Or is it fairly common and easily available ? ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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Big Board cpm system board (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

Iredeived the following e-mail today. Anyone interested should reply directly to the original sender. - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:40:03 -0600 From: rick <arger(a)attcanada.net> To: donm(a)cts.com Subject: Big Board cpm system board D; I have an old "Big Board" cpm computer pcb (unpopulated) that I bought in the early '80's (I think), I have docs for it and a flopy controller chip for it. Is there anyone who might be interested in this. I'd probably sell it for what I payed for it. Otherwise perhaps it should just be frammed and put up on a wall... ? Know anyone who might desire it ? R.

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DEC Handbooks - refining the original request.

by kstumpf＠unusual.on.ca

>Is this request just limited to the 'paperback' Handbooks, or is >other, non "Orange Wall" literature and docs included? > Yes John, you're correct. This list is dedicated to the 'paperback' Handbooks exclusively. Thank you for prompting the clarification and offering to send your own inventory list. Keep'em comin folks. Yours in good faith. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Kevin Stumpf * Unusual systems * www.unusual.on.ca +1.519.744.2900 * EST/EDT GMT - 5 Collector - Commercial Mainframes & Minicomputers from the 50s, 60s, & 70s and control panels and consoles. Author & Publisher - A Guide to Collecting Computers & Computer Collectibles * ISBN 0-9684244-0-6 .

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DEC manufacturer?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> Does anyone know if you can purchase "handles" like the ones that appear on > DEC OMNIBUS boards? (flip chip handles). One could drill out some old > boards and make them but I'd prefer to have a source of new ones if possible. Stu Phillips Co is still in business making handles. (Available in many colors and with custom stamping if you want, too.) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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teledisk2.12

by edick＠idcomm.com

Didn't the Kaypro use 1K sectors? ...and why do I have the impression that the Kaypro had a WD 1770 or 1772 (28-pin) FDC on it? I used to swap disks with the AMPRO which was like this all the time. It's been a long time though . . . Dick ---------- > From: Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: teledisk2.12 > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 12:19 AM > > *sigh* Don Maslin just sent me the boot disk for my kaypro, and I find that > teledisk 2.12 doesn't like the floppy controller on my p2/300. I know the > floppy itself works, I formatted a 360k floppy on it, wrote data to it, read > it back, works fine under win95. > > Suggestions? > > and btw, many thanks to Mr. Maslin for the boot floppy image. > -- > Jim Strickland > jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? > -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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teledisk2.12

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

*sigh* Don Maslin just sent me the boot disk for my kaypro, and I find that teledisk 2.12 doesn't like the floppy controller on my p2/300. I know the floppy itself works, I formatted a 360k floppy on it, wrote data to it, read it back, works fine under win95. Suggestions? and btw, many thanks to Mr. Maslin for the boot floppy image. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Test and Maintenance tools for vintage computers

by go＠ao.com

My interest in vintage hardware certainly includes acquiring and restoring the hardware itself, getting copies (or originals if possible) of the manuals and other documentation, but also includes acquiring the original "tools" and other articles used to keep these old systems running. For example, I have several teletypes of various models, and Teletype corp was fond of having all sorts of special tools used to keep these things running smoothly. Items included special screwdrivers, burnishing tools for cleaning contacts and even a custom "tuning fork" for aligning the speed of the governored motor. I recall, for example, that our DEC field service engineer at Oregon State had a special "tuned hammer" for "thwacking" the circuit boards in our PDP-8 (straight-8) that ran our front-end terminal multiplexor. Basically it was a modified "center punch" with a special paddle in place of the sharp-pointy thing. You dialed in the amount of "thump" desired (in special DEC-calibrated units: (1-light to 9-break-the-edge-fingers) and pressed the tool against the card handle, pushing until the center-punch device clicked. All boards were supposed to take at least a "4" if I recall (any DEC FE's out there?) and any that didn't were replaced. So, what's the strangest "field service" tool out there? And what success have you all had in finding these things? For my teletypes, it's been a difficult task to find the pieces I have and I only have a few of the 30-some "official" tools TTY-corp produced for the model 14, 19 and 28 families. Seem to be a lot scarcer than the documents. Gary

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Wanted: TeleVideo CP/M machine(s)

by lundo＠interport.net

Doug Auerbach wrote: > I'm looking for a TeleVideo CP/M machine, particularly the TS-803 or > TS-1603. If you have one of these computers, or one similar to this one > (not including the portable), I'd be interesting in buying it. I've got a TS-802H, in storage with my PDP-11's etc. I'm planning to unearth all this old stuff now that I have a place with a basement. I've got a lot of files on the TS' hard disk, which I'd want to look through before even thinking of selling it. I'm not sure how much time I can devote to restoring my ancient toys, but it worked last time I booted it a few years ago. Internal HD and 4.5-inch diskette drive to the left of the monitor screen. I have the User and Maintenance Manuals, with complete schematics, which may be useful to you. It has some pretty fancy high-speed serial port capability, used for the networked systems. -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Robert Lund | Out here on the perimeter there are no stars + + lundo(a)interport.net | Out here we is stoned - Immaculate + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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VT320 terminal

by dburrows＠netpath.net

I have several here and they sell commercially VERY slowly. I have sold them in large quantity without keyboards for cheaper than that. If you ever need some let me know. I work with a couple of recyclers that love to have me take some off their hands for resale. They don't have to tear them down for certified disposal then. Dan In a thrift-shop I picked up a copy of of a DEC Installing and Using the VT320 terminal. Later I ran across the machine itself with K-B at the main store. I passed it by at the time since I had acquired a bunch of other equipment and couldn't handle it. It was only $15 , but I'm rapidly running out of space. Is it worthwhile going back for it ? Or is it fairly common and easily available ? ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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VisiCalc 1.0

by guerney＠uq.net.au

From: Gary Oliver <go(a)ao.com> From: Gary Oliver >Anyway, my manual (as far as I can tell) says nothing about a version >number, though the copyright date is "1979, 1981" on the diskette. >For reference, a the diskette says: > >"Apple II and II Plus 48k 16 Sector" part number 10911-5511

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teledisk2.12

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>*sigh* Don Maslin just sent me the boot disk for my kaypro, and I find th <>teledisk 2.12 doesn't like the floppy controller on my p2/300. I know th <>floppy itself works, I formatted a 360k floppy on it, wrote data to it, re <>it back, works fine under win95. W95 may be part of the problem. Also The boot disk may be wrong for your kaypro! There were many models and a bunch of rom upgrades. Allison

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ESDI Drives and controllers

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Have a bunch of working 5.25" full and half height drives, ESDI type, in working order to sell. Many of them are half height Seagate 89 mb and I have a few Maxtor 170 mb full height. Can be sold with or without contoller, which are mostly Seagate. Cables will be included with the full setups. These are AT controllers and will work in any machine with 16 bit ISA slots. You only need to set your CMOS to drive type 1 and the rest is done by the controller and drive. 89mb drive $8.50 plus ship 170 mb drive $12 plus ship Add $6 to either for controller and cables For those that want 2 drives and controller I'll go the price of 2 drives and include the controller free, with cables for 2 drives. Email me direct (not on the list) if interested. I really don't want to move this stuff come summer. Shipping will be by USPS parcel post from 40144 to you, insurance optional. USA and APO/FPO only.

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Vintage SGI stuff

by mikeparadiso＠worldnet.att.net

I have lots of vintage Silicon Graphics hard to find boards, O/S's, software, hard drives, tape drives, CD's, memory, systems and documentation, Los Angeles area. If its vintage SGI, I have it. I will trade, buy and sell it. File and media conversion for free. mikeparadiso(a)worldnet.att.net or call 323 462-5772

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