- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 27, 15:40, Max Eskin wrote: > Subject: OT: 30-pin SIMMS > Does anyone here have any 30-pin SIMMs as often found in i386 computers > that are more than 1 megabyte? I have 1-mb SIMMs but I've never seen > bigger ones Quite a few of my machines -- including one PC-compatible and a couple of Sparcs -- have 30-pin 4MB SIMMs. They're fairly common. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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TRW Find

by fpp＠concentric.net

Hey, TRW was a blast this morning. I found a Sony SMC-70G computer. I looks a little like an old laptop. Does anyone have the OS for this machine? It has the video titler modification. The cool thing about the computer is the two 3.5' Drive bays. Sony developed the 3.5" disk for this computer. It was their first "micro computer." I also scored an original TRS-80 monitor that still works.

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SMALL SEALED BID AUCTION - Microsoft Softcard

by fpp＠concentric.net

I have about 15 Apple II e and a few Plus, about 20 floppie drives, some manuals, power supplies, and a selection of language cards, etc. Anyone interested. I am not looking to make money, just looking to help anyone that might be collecting this stuff.

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1 SHARE LEFT! Teledisk group buy

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

At 11:02 27-02-1999 -0800, you wrote: >Might I suggest that you hand out the remaining licenses for a flat rate >of $20 to anyone who does not come in before you actually do the purchase? <snip> Actually, Sellam, the question may be rendered academic, because... 1 SHARE LEFT! Yes, folks, we're up to 24 shares (some people bought two). We've got one left, and if no one else speaks up I think I may pick it up myself. Soooo.... does anyone else want a copy of Teledisk? With the number of folks we've got now, the remaining share would be around $6 and change. Anyone? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

27 years, 4 months

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FS: PS/2 model 70 power supply

by blakeman＠creative-net.net

Power supply for model 70, like new and works fine. Gutted machine for motherboard related errors and have teted this unit with other 70's - works flawlessly. $5.00 plus applicable USPS rate, about 5 lbs weight >from zip 40144. Needs to go soon, we're looking at a move soon. Payable by money order, USA and APO/FPO addresses only please.

27 years, 4 months

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Interesting typewriter

by max82＠surfree.com

Good Morning, Today, I saw an interesting typewriter from the late '70s/early '80s called a Hermes 51 Level 4. It's an enormous 135-column daisy wheel with erasing tape. What is interesting about it is that it has an external disk drive, connected to it with an extremely thick cable. The drive is called a 'microdisk' according to the reference card. It allows storage of text. Looks like a scaled-down VHS tape rewinder. I have never seen any disk that might fit it. Does anyone know anything about this machine? This might be one of the first 'word processor' typewriters. It also has a green LED display and a light-and-mirror system to make sure the operator can easily read the paper as it is being printed. BTW: I also saw a Rainbow 100. Anything distinguishing it from any other CPM/MS-DOS machine? --Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)

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CORRECTION!

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

WHOA! Stop the presses! I goofed. A couple of people in the group ordered two shares in the group buy for Teledisk, so I screwed up in the previous message. We have FIVE (5) shares left. The deadline of tomorrow at 17:00 Pacific is still in effect. If we get a full 25 people in on this, the total cost with shipping will be $6.12 per person. Let me know! Thanks... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Deadline: Teledisk group grab

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Well! This is going better than I ever expected! We've got 17 people so far, counting myself, interested in chipping in for a copy of Teledisk. This has brought the per-person price down to $9.00 (assuming $150 for the program plus $3.00 shipping). We have eight slots left out of 25 originally, and it occurs to me that I should probably set a deadline. For the moment, that deadline is 17:00 Pacific Time Sunday (2-28). In other words, tomorrow by five. If you're interested in getting in on this, please let me know via private E-mail by then. Thanks to all who've signed up so far. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

27 years, 4 months

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Semi-OT: Question about HP 130C O-scope

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 12:40 PM 2/26/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Does anybody know when Hewlett-Packard made the Model 130C oscilloscope? >Its tube based. The serial number is 503-03353. > >Any pointers would be appreciated. Well I can tell you that it was made in the 3rd week of 1965. It may be in my '68 catalog. I'll check next time I pull it out. Joe

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Wanted: TeleVideo CP/M machine(s)

by edick＠idcomm.com

In case it's of interest to anyone, I found the (5-1/4") CP/M boot diskette for my TS806's. What's the best way to make this available to those who want it? I'm not sure I can dupe it without setting up one of the machines? I could do that I guess, but am inclined to let sleeping dogs lie . . . . Dick ---------- > From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Wanted: TeleVideo CP/M machine(s) > Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 9:16 PM > > Perhaps I can help . . . I have a couple of TS806's sans HDD. Any > interest? > > regards, > > Dick > > ---------- > > From: Doug Auerbach <douga(a)email.com> > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > Subject: Wanted: TeleVideo CP/M machine(s) > > Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 9:01 PM > > > > Greetings, > > > > I'm looking for a TeleVideo CP/M machine, particularly the TS-803 or > > TS-1603. If you have one of these computers, or one similar to this one > > (not including the portable), I'd be interesting in buying it. Or, if > you > > have suggestions on where else I might look for one, I'd really > appreciate > > it. These were great machines, but they're hard to find now! > > > > Actually, I may be interested in two of these, if they're available. > This > > may turn into a crazy project, but I have the idea of taking one of them > and > > replacing the guts with a standard PC motherboard/hd/ram/power supply > > combination to run Linux on it. The TeleVideo 803/1603 has a unique > case, > > which would make for a great looking computer even today. The trick > would > > be maitaining compatibility with the keyboard cable and monitor; not to > > mention fitting the components inside reliably. But what a coup it would > > be! > > > > Thanks. I'm in the Seattle area, fwiw. > > > > > > Doug Auerbach > >

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NEC APCIII

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

> >I was just wondering --- Could I have an APC IV? Three of the teachers that >have seen it have either called it an APC IV, or "The pain in the neck". >Some of the descriptions that I've seen don't sound like the computer I >have. Although it does say "APCIII" on the front panel. >-- The APC III's and IV's look much the same. If anything the III looks more modern as it is a smaller neater case, but it dates from 1984. The IV's are 286's and are fully IBM compatible with a Phoenix based bios. They have a normal ISA bus while the III's have different shaped cards that are installed in horizontal slots.

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Another NEC APCIII question.

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

>>The APC III was not IBM compatible at all in it's original form. It had a >>special version of DOS and the floppy drives are _Quad_ density not double >>density. >> >Not at all??? It's got an AMD 8086 and a Intel 8087 directly on the >motherboard. > >About the only thing that I can see that is non-standard is the bus >archetecture. It's got a standard (looking) floppy, and an MFM (or RLL) HD. > Having familiar looking hardware doesn't mean it is IBM compatible. It was the bios that counted in those days. NEC did it's own thing here rather than go to Phoenix.

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Blinkenlights

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

Doug wrote: << OK, I think I have a candidate for the first computer with blinkenlights. This is from David Richie's The Computer Pioneers: << As he sat in his kitchen, one November evening in 1937, [...] Stibitz went into his workshop, took some relays salvaged from Bell Labs' junk pile, [...] and devised a few circuits. Input consisted of strips of metal cut from coffee cans. Output was a pair of flashlights bulbs that lit up or stayed dark to indicate the results of binary calculations. >> Stibitz is generally credited with creating one of the first digital computers. I think this date is earlier than both Zuse's Z1 (1938) and Atanasoff's ABC (1939), so I guess blinkenlights were there from the start! >> Now that is really thorough digging! Good find, thank you. John G. Zabolitzky

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Blinkenlights

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

To my knowledge the blinking lights go back to the UNIVAC 1, 1951. They became famous - and therefore made their way to almost any computer of that time - due to the successful 1952 US presidential election prediction on TV. It is rumoured that the TV crew wired up a few more lights than actually part of the computer. John G. Zabolitzky

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Ooops, Typo!

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Yeah and it's "n'est ce pas" and "mais oui" Oh well I can't help it I'm from France -----Original Message----- From: Joseph S. Barrera III <joe(a)barrera.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Ooops, Typo! >> Tre cool, ne c'est pas? Ooo, mai oui!. > >You misspelled "Tres." ;-) >

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NEC APCIII

by roblwill＠usaor.net

How much would you want for the parts? I'm trying to get this computer running for a school project (the computer belongs to my school) I was just wondering --- Could I have an APC IV? Three of the teachers that have seen it have either called it an APC IV, or "The pain in the neck". Some of the descriptions that I've seen don't sound like the computer I have. Although it does say "APCIII" on the front panel. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Les Berry <lfb107(a)psu.edu> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:25 AM Subject: NEC APCIII > >I had similar problems with my pair of APCIII's. Frustrated, and in >need of extra space, I threw them out, but I managed to save most >anything that wasn't permanently attached to the case. I've got a >few of the memory boards that slid in the back as well as a few >parallel cards I think. I also (think) that I have a few of those NLE >cards that plugged in the front. The two that i had also had another >smaller (memory?) card that plugged in to a special slot at the front, >an external HD connector (and a HD.... SCSI?), and a special keyboard >with special buttons for graphic functions. Not surprising since they >booted up with the DOS 2.11 version of AutoCAD. I couldn't, for >the life of me, get them to run anything else! If anyone needs any parts >let me know, I haven't got much use for them. > >Les >lfb107(a)psu.edu > >

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Another NEC APCIII question.

by roblwill＠usaor.net

>The APC III was not IBM compatible at all in it's original form. It had a >special version of DOS and the floppy drives are _Quad_ density not double >density. > Not at all??? It's got an AMD 8086 and a Intel 8087 directly on the motherboard. About the only thing that I can see that is non-standard is the bus archetecture. It's got a standard (looking) floppy, and an MFM (or RLL) HD. >When NEC later saw the error of their ways, they offered a special card >called an SLE that when installed allowed the machine to run standard IBM >compatible software. This came with another version of DOS, which I think >was also specific to this machine for booting purposes. SLE stood for >Software Library Extender. > >I think the special card had it's own 8088 cpu. > >APC III's were heavily marketed here in Australia and were once very easy to >find. I have a number in deep storage (ie too deep to get out and look at >easily). NEC also provided financial incentives for software developers here >and I have come across several cases of startup companies built on these >incentives, all now gone though. > >I think NEC learned about compatibility the hard way. > >To get your machine going the first question is whether you have the SLE >card or not. >The second question is whether you have the correct monitor. I don't think >normal IBM style monitors will work. > It's got either an CGA or EGA (made by NEC) on it. It works on an old Tandy 1000, so, I'd say the monitor is standard. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

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Another NEC APCIII question.

by roblwill＠usaor.net

This one has 2.11. It half-boots from the HD then locks. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Computer Room Internet Cafe <netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 7:51 PM Subject: Re: Another NEC APCIII question. >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Willgruber <roblwill(a)usaor.net> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Date: Friday, 26 February 1999 15:06 >Subject: Another NEC APCIII question. > > >>I got the NEC to seek the floppy. Sort of.... >> >>Does the APC III Use a special version of DOS? > >Yeah, I think it does. > >>If so, what version? I > >3.3 IIRC. >I've got one here somewhere, I'll dig it out over the weekend and have a >look. >I might be able to do you a disk image of the boot disk. >>tried 5.0, and it won't work. > >I think only the NEC 'version' of the OS will work. > >Cheers >Geoff Roberts >Computer Room Internet Cafe >Port Pirie >South Australia. >netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au > >

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Introduction

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

> Greetings, Classic Computer Fans, Hello Rick! This is definitely the place to be! > I have a few older computers that I've run across, mostly as orphans. > These include a Tandy 100 (who doesn't have one of these?), a Tandy 600, a > Sun 3/50, a Sun 4/360, A couple of Tektronix 6130's, a Tektronix 4132, and > a Tektronix 4319. I worked at Tektronix for 13 years, from '77 through '90, > so I have a particular affection for Tektronix equipment. Do you know anything about the 4050 series? Joe Rigdon (who made sarcastic remarks about Tek 31 calculators) has a 4051 (as do one or two others on the list) and I have a 4052 and we are both avidly hunting useful info and/or documentation. > I'm looking forward to sharing memories with the list, and, as mentioned, > hearing about your memories, and all the great collector finds out there. You'll certainly have fun, then. Welcome to the list. Philip.

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Semi-OT: Question about HP 130C O-scope

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Upon the date 12:40 PM 2/26/99 -0800, Sellam Ismail said something like: > >Does anybody know when Hewlett-Packard made the Model 130C oscilloscope? >Its tube based. The serial number is 503-03353. Sometime just after the 3rd week of 1965. Rule for deciphering HP SN's in the above format as tought to me by a couple of different HP service engineers and other written sources: Take the numbers preceding the hyphen and add 6000. Result gives the first two digits as the year and the second pair is (usually) the week of production. Numbers after the hyphen are the serialized number. 1834A-xxxxxx is some unit built around 34th week of 1978, for example. Note the "A". Can't recall when, but the nation of manufacture is depicted by that alpha character. A is USA, J is Japan for example.

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More Re: uVax II questions

by mbg＠world.std.com

>So what, if anything, should appear on the console when you turn on a >Microvax that has no disks connected ? The little display on the back >seems to go from '6' to '7' and stay there, or perhaps to 'L'. Which side >is up? It should count down from 7 to 3 and wait there for console input, unless the boot device has been specified -- then it continues counting down as it accesses the boot disk. If it reaches zero, it will boot. >Also there are two knobs next to the console port, one is clearly the >baud rate and the other has three positions, each position is identified >by a pictograph. The three pictures are > top - line connected to a triangle (arrow?) > middle - looks like a face in profile > bottom - a T inscribed in a circle. The top one is the normal position. The middle one is for the boot dialog regarding language and boot device. The bottom one is continuous test. >Then there is a paddle switch above that whose positions are identified >with a circle and a dot inside the circle, and another position where the >dot is outside the circle. Which should it be? This enables (dot in circle) or disables (dot outside circle) the halt on break feature. Normal position is dot outside circle, you don't want someone to halt a time-sharing system when other users are on it. But if you're the only user (/owner), then you probably want to have total control... unless you find you accidently hit BREAK too often... :-) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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uVax II questions

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Howdy, I've taken delivery on two MicroVax II's, one is a model 630QY-A2 >and the other is a 630QB-A2, the QY is basically a narrow cabinet and the >QB is a wide cabinet. Both have 8MB and both have ethernet controllers. >Both were stripped of drives although one still has a tape unit. (TK50? >How can I tell?) Narrow cabinet vs. wide cabinet? Sounds like a BA23 vs. BA123 cabinet. >1) I'd like to find a disk or two for these (they each have slots for >four disks of the DU type.) what do I need to look for? Are there size >limitations? But with four slots, they both must be BA123 -- by the way, there should be a total of 5 slots... four horizontal on the right side (with the top one being the TK50), and one vertical on the left side for the RX50 (but you can put an RX33 there as well). What to look for? If you can get an MSCP controller (RQDX1, 2, 3), you'll need RD series disks. Max of 159 MB. If you have a third-party interface, probably much larger. I have a machine with 2GB DSSI disks, and another machine with a 770 MB ESDI disk. As for TK50, it has one large red switch on the right side and one small green LED on the left. The TK70 has a smaller switch on the right side and three LEDs. >2) Can these things be booted over the network in a pinch? (one has no >tape drive) Yes, so long as you have another machine set up to serve the files to it. >2b) Do these things have boot roms that are interactive ala ODT? Until I >get disks is there anyway to verify that they work? Sure do... and with NVram, you can also establish default settings for language and boot device. >3) Would it make sense to combine the memory cards so that I have one >16MB VAX or should I leave it at two VAXen? Depends on how many memory cards are in each machine. If that is 8MB in two cards (4MB each), then no. You'll need larger capacity memory cards. Max is 16MB in two cards (of 8 MB each). >4) One has a busextender unit that goes to a non-DEC disk card labelled: >"Wombat" (its a disk controller of some sort) with tag WQESD 2.8M >SCD-RQD11/EC *Very* nice... makes your deal quite a good one... > a) This is ESDI controller yes? > b) It has four data connectors so four drives? > c) Its in a different backplane UNIBUS perhaps? (quad height) Different bus? If they are BA123s, there should only be one backplane which is quad high... >Both machines internally appear to be in very good shape. Anyone have the > "MicroVAX II 630 QB Technical Manual" ? Yes... but I don't want to part with it... contact me off list. >All in all it wasn't a bad deal at $18 each. Not at all... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

27 years, 4 months

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OT: WTB Colorado T3000 tape drive

by cfandt＠netsync.net

For those still with me here, I'm looking for a used but functional T3000 tape drive. Reply off list please. Wanted to check with the group for something available first to keep the business "in the family" :) Thanks, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

27 years, 4 months

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uVax II questions

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Chuck, ---------- > From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)freegate.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: uVax II questions > Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 3:51 PM > > Howdy, I've taken delivery on two MicroVax II's, one is a model 630QY-A2 > and the other is a 630QB-A2, the QY is basically a narrow cabinet and the > QB is a wide cabinet. Both have 8MB and both have ethernet controllers. Ethernet is fine ;-)) Most common on the MVII is the DEQNA. > Both were stripped of drives although one still has a tape unit. (TK50? How > can I tell?) TK50 has a bigger button with a LED in it, TK70 has a small button and three LED's. > Here are the questions: > > 1) I'd like to find a disk or two for these (they each have slots for four > disks of the DU type.) what do I need to look for? Standard were the RD51/RD52/RD53/RD54 disks. You would be lucky to find some of these. The controller is RQDX.. The biggest of these disks is the rd54, which is appr. 150MB. You can buy a SCSI controller for it (appr $1000) ESDI controllers & disks are the cheapest. (my opinion ;-)) Once again, the controller is expensive, appr. $100-200. Disks are $0-100, which is appr 70-660MB. > Are there size limitations? Budget. ;-)) > 2) Can these things be booted over the network in a pinch? (one has no tape > drive) If you try to use NetBSD, is ok. But you need a host for the files... In case you don't know, there is a hobbyist VMS out there, no cost. But the CD is sold out, new one comes in March (?) So If you like to use VMS, you should aske the group about tapes... > 2b) Do these things have boot roms that are interactive ala ODT? a little like ... > Until I get disks is there anyway to verify that they work? Netboot. > 3) Would it make sense to combine the memory cards so that I have one 16MB > VAX or should I leave it at two VAXen? What you wrote, is that you have 8 MB on each. If it is one board, you need the cable & you can use two of them in one system. If you have already two memory boards in each, bad. Than you got the 4MB boards. > 4) One has a busextender unit that goes to a non-DEC disk card labelled: > "Wombat" (its a disk controller of some sort) with tag WQESD 2.8M > SCD-RQD11/EC > > a) This is ESDI controller yes? Guess so. (You are lucky !!!) There are other here on this group, who use them. > b) It has four data connectors so four drives? > c) Its in a different backplane UNIBUS perhaps? (quad height) ??? Should be all q-bus. > All in all it wasn't a bad deal at $18 each. Yes. But you can get them for free already. cheers, emanuel

27 years, 4 months

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Tektronix 4051 & 4052

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Philip, I'm posting this to the list so you can't say I didn't do my homework. I tracked down a 4051 that I saw mentioned on the web and asked about it. Here's their response: Greetings Joe, I have had your e-mail on my to do list for sometime but the alligators have been chasing me on other chores. Any how The tek 4051 is about 1976 vintage and it is only recently that we disposed of them to our surplus place. We had 4051, 4052 ,plotter, joystick and a printer. I still have all the manuals and microfiche for them I think. The address for our surplus unit is <sniped>. I'm already working on trying to get the manuals and to find out about their surplus disposal. Joe

27 years, 4 months

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PDP8 Parts/Software avail.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> > PS: If 'RYRYRYRYRYRYRY....' means anything to you... that is the <> > kind of gear I've bought from him. :) Standard TTY test pattern. RY is the extreme opposite in the machanics of a ASR/KSR33. IF you can do a string of RYs without error then the reader/punch/printer is good. The gig is to punch a length of RYs long enough to loop into the reader and then read it on local. If it's a good machine it will keep punching RYs and if in need of adjustment or cleaning... the rys get translated to something else. Allison

27 years, 4 months

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Lucky Day II

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Got a second Altair today. No serial number and missing a capcitor in the power supply but otherwise it looks like it's in perfect condition. Joe

27 years, 4 months

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Semi-OT: Question about HP 130C O-scope

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Does anybody know when Hewlett-Packard made the Model 130C oscilloscope? Its tube based. The serial number is 503-03353. Any pointers would be appreciated. Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Always hasslin' the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 02/15/99]

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Need data sheet for 1101 RAM, 8008

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Dave Dameron <ddameron(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > I did finally find a copy of "Microcomputer Design" > by Martin by interlibrary loan :). Abebooks, etc never found it. It is > loaded with 8008 stuff with things like all timing, a 9 chip 8008 system, > etc. They also sold the "Mike" series of microcomputer boards, but I have > never seen one except pictures in early Byte's. I also tried to find > Martin or his company (In Illinois), but no luck. > I actually bought a copy of Martin's wonderful book in 1976 (by mail, directly from Martin Research) for the then-enormous price of $25 (I was a poor grad student then rather than the poor wage-slave I am now). I have never seen another copy since in all my years of secondhand book browsing. It was, I guess, the first microprocessor book I ever acquired. Indeed, I'm wondering if it was the first-ever practical application manual for microprocessors published by someone other than the major chip vendors. Arlen -- Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com

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PDP8 Parts/Software avail.

by jpl15＠netcom.com

A friend of mine from another (algorithmically-related) List has the following PDP8 Stuff for y'alls consideration: A Front Panel A "single-card core plane" A Power supply. A "complete set" of software on DEC paper tape in DEC trays. Please write to : Don Merz 71333.144(a)compuserve.com for more info. I have done much business with Don and have found him to be honest and fair. He would rather a true PDP8 Collector have a chance at this, than list it on e-bay. Drop him a line. Cheerz John PS: If 'RYRYRYRYRYRYRY....' means anything to you... that is the kind of gear I've bought from him. :)

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CRT handling Was: Re: It's ALIVE!

by Philip.Belben＠PowerTech.co.uk

[Earth Leakage Circuit Breakers] > I am not sure what the UK IEE regulations state about them (Philip?), but > they are not that common in domestic installations. I would always use > one on a socket for something like a lawnmower or other outdoor device. The IEE regulations require that any socket likely to be used for equipment operated out of doors be protected by a residual current circuit breaker with an instantaneous tripping current of not more than 30mA. > 1) A lot of classic computers - particularly minicomputers - have proper > mains filtering. The earth leakage current of the mains filter, when > operating correctly, is enough to trip most RCDs. Useful, that. Think of it as a protection grading problem. But here you have to choose the protection settings upstream to grade with the equipment downstream. I haven't heard of such filters drawing 30mA, though. > 2) They are not a substitute for an isolating transformer. If you want to > make measurements on the primary side of an SMPSU with an earthed 'scope > then you need an isolating transformer. Put the PSU on a RCD and said RCD > will trip (correctly) as soon as you connect the earth lead of the probe. > As doing things like that is the main reason why I'd be working on a live > machine, I'd rather have an isolating transformer. And of course an RCD > won't protect you if you manage to connect yourself across the output of > the isolating transformer. True. Any protective device is useful in a specific situation, and protects against specific faults. Anything can be used where it's inappropriate. But that doesn't make it per se a bad thing. > 3) They are only of use if you touch the mains side of a supply. They are > no use at all if you manage to get connected across the output of an See above. > isolated HV supply. But IMHO having a safety device in line makes you > careless. You may not realise it, but you will depend on the RCD to save > you if you make a mistake. And then you make a mistake where it can't help. I disagree. I once said, joking, "I used to recommend steel toe-caps when moving large computers, but now I generally prefer bare feet - so you make damned well sure you don't drop it!" My view is: A protective device - any protective device - is there to get you out of trouble, not to get you into it. One should never take risks (because one knows there is protection there) that one wouldn't take without it. I disagree that the knowledge that there is an RCCB in the circuit will make me complacent. > I'd rather just work carefully, knowing any mistake I make could be > fatal. I'd rather work carefully, knowing that any mistake I make could be fatal, but also knowing that I have taken all reasonable steps to ensure that it won't. Our protection specialist at Power Tech often talks about prortection in terms of "the fence at the top of the cliff" and "the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff". When working with live high voltages, one should always try and put in place as many "fence" systems as possible - rubber gloves, isolating transformers, insulated screwdrivers, hands in pockets etc., but "ambulance" systems such as residual current devices have their place. Philip.

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V35-RS232 cable?

by rcini＠msn.com

Hello, all: One of my recent acquisitions is a Roytron paper tape punch/reader. Before I actually got it, it had a v.35-to-DB25 cable on it . Now it doesn't, of course. I'm ignorant (about many things, but particularly) about v.35, so could this have been an RS-232 adapter cable? If so, how could I make one? Thanks for any info. [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

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Amiga 1000 WCS

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, I thought I would type up a few paragraphs from "The Amiga System Programmer's Guide" published by Abacus, ISBN 1-55755-034-4 which relate to this. Amiga 1000 WOM -------------- The Amiga 1000 models have additional special features. Owners of these machines may be surprised that we keep talking about a Kickstart ROM, even though the Amiga 1000 loads the Kickstart from disk when it's turned on. The situation with the Amiga 1000 was the following: The hardware was done, the machines were ready to be sold, but the software in the form of the Kickstart operating system wasn't complete and still had some bugs in it. A decision was made to provide the Amiga with special RAM which would be loaded with the operating system when the computer was turned on. After this, the Amiga would prevent write accesses to this RAM, making it behave like a 256K ROM. Commodore called the WOM, or Write-Once Memory. Now the first Amigas could be delivered with the incomplete Kickstart 1.0. After the new Kickstart versions were complete (1.1 and 1.2), the Amiga owner simply had to insert new Kickstart disks. Since this WOM is naturally more expensive than a simple ROM, the Amiga 500 and 2000 are not equipped with it, since by then the final Kickstart (V1.2) was finished. The WOM raises some questions, however: Where is the program which loads Kickstart? How can Kickstart be changed, since it is RAM? Normally the Amiga 1000 operates just like the newer models, with Kickstart at $FC0000 to $FFFFFF with a mirror at $F80000. If you try to write into Kickstart, nothing happens. Write access is not possible. The boot ROM which loads Kickstart is also nowhere to be found in memory. The whole process is controlled by the reset line. After a reset, whether by turning the computer on, by pressing the Amiga, Commodore and Control keys or by executing a 68000 reset command, the memory configuration changes. Reset ----- Immediately after a reset, the boot ROM is at $F80000 (since on a reset the OVL line is set, the reset vector also comes from the boot ROM) and it is possible to write into Kickstart. It can be changed as desired! This condition holds only until you try to write something in the boot ROM range from $F80000 to $FBFFFF. Then the boot ROM is masked out again and the Kickstart memory is write-protected. In short: Reset keeps the Kickstart WOM in memory and enables the boot ROM. A write access to an address between $F80000 and $FBFFFF disables the write protection and the boot ROM. [This should read "enables the write protection and disables the boot ROM."] -- Mark

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NEC APCIII

by lfb107＠psu.edu

I had similar problems with my pair of APCIII's. Frustrated, and in need of extra space, I threw them out, but I managed to save most anything that wasn't permanently attached to the case. I've got a few of the memory boards that slid in the back as well as a few parallel cards I think. I also (think) that I have a few of those NLE cards that plugged in the front. The two that i had also had another smaller (memory?) card that plugged in to a special slot at the front, an external HD connector (and a HD.... SCSI?), and a special keyboard with special buttons for graphic functions. Not surprising since they booted up with the DOS 2.11 version of AutoCAD. I couldn't, for the life of me, get them to run anything else! If anyone needs any parts let me know, I haven't got much use for them. Les lfb107(a)psu.edu

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New subscriber found TI Explorer, Rainbow 100, and Pro380

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I'm a new guy on this list from Kansas City. My biggest problem is my house doesn't have a basement or a garage, I keep my computer toys in the rec room under the Ping-Pong table. When the garage is built I'll have a computer spot for more stuff. I've been lurking in this group for awhile. I'm from the cardpunching/papertape reading generation of PDP8 and PDP11 types. Pre RSX-11M and RT-11. I wander into a not-for-profit computer surplus place every week. Recently I investigated the salvage room in the basement, they have lots of non PC and non Mac stuff there. Here is what I found I'm looking for more information about them. TI Explorer VME tower style machine external case dual full height 5 1/4 hard drives external case tape backup unit Might be a LISP machine TI doesn't seem to have and information about this machine on their web site. I found Usenet group ti.explorer with not much traffic. Rainbow 100 special DEC floppy DEC Pro 380 special DEC floppy and ST251 hard drive DEC PDP micro 11/23 in tower case Maybe I'll crosspost to alt.computers.pdp11. Glad to be aboard! mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu Real computer can run for months without crashing, all other kinds are only wannabe's.

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Require Transputer software & documentation

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, I maintain the transputer homepage at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/1190 and I am looking for transputer software & documentation to add to my webpage. If anyone is willing to part with their transputer trams, boards, etc. Let me know, I will gladly take it from you. Ram

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HP 2000 Time Shared BASIC Memories

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Jay West" <jlwest(a)tseinc.com> wrote: > Yes, there is an emulator for the 2100 series cpu. Check out Jeff Moffat's > website. Don't remember the URL, but search yahoo & such for "2100" and > you'll find it. He has an emulator that runs on dos. It is supposed to run > on Unix, but - it has some real problems with FreeBSD. Another user on the > list here was kind enough to fix it up for freebsd and send me a diff file. It's OK to blame me in public, Jay. I probably still have the diffs around too. The diffs pretty much just make bugs come out elsewhere (to wit, instead of the simulator's text being emitted with LF-only newlines so they're hard to read, the simulator aborts when the simulated 2100 halts), and I really ought to quit screwing around with e-mail and spend the time working on fixing the problem by making the controlling terminal abstraction a little bit more abstract and probably cleaning up the Un*x terminal I/O code some too; it's lifted from Doug Jones' PDP-8 simulator and it does some non-POSIXy things. OTOH if I make it POSIXy it will probably not work on older Un*xes. Decisions, decisions. Jeff Moffatt and I did exchange e-mail about it two or three weeks ago and then I got sidetracked by the day job. Turns out he did most of his development and testing under MS-DOS. -Frank McConnell

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Need data sheet for 1101 RAM, 8008

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi Sam and all, At 01:30 PM 2/24/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Does anyone have the data sheets for the 1101 RAM and the Intel 8008? I >need both. In the case of the 8008, an instruction set listing would also >be cool. I have both the AMD and Intel data sheets for the 1101(A). They also may be in a early (~1976) Intel data catalog. For the 8008, the best is the mcs8 microcomputer set users manual. Someone on the list just found one in the last week or 2. I probably have a "condensed" data sheet from a Intel catalog as well. The mcs8 book is about 100 pages. The instruction set would be only 4 pages or so. I might have some data >from the Canadian company that second sourced the 8008?? > >Anyone know where 1101 RAM chips are for sale (if at all?) A few years ago I searched all over the place, not only Halted, James, ACP, and any other advertisers in early Byte magagines that might still exist, but the "obsolete ic" house resellers too. Remember the ads for "8008 +8 2102's"? I only found about 3 "tubes", but may not ever use them as wire wrapping 8 chips give only 256 bytes. How many do you want? Can't you find this stuff by the barrel and data sheets by the ream there in Si valley :-)? ..Like a west coast "Poly Pac's". No I don't expect to find a Mark 8 or Scelbi, so am moving slowly to building a 8008 system. I did finally find a copy of "Microcomputer Design" by Martin by interlibrary loan :). Abebooks, etc never found it. It is loaded with 8008 stuff with things like all timing, a 9 chip 8008 system, etc. They also sold the "Mike" series of microcomputer boards, but I have never seen one except pictures in early Byte's. I also tried to find Martin or his company (In Illinois), but no luck. By the way, searching, I found a rumor that Intel was going to come out with a support chip for all the control logic for the 8008. I have seen no indication they did, just went on to the 8080. > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Always hasslin' the man. > -Dave

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Computers on AM Radio...

by cswiger＠wilma.widomaker.com

>Has anyone had their computer "speak" over the radio before? I have a >local (small-town) live radio talk show on one of the local AM stations Dunno about AM but Harry Shearer http://www.harryshearer.com (voice of Mr. Burns et al) does an ocassional sketch with "Ralph the Talking Computer" on his Public Radio FM shows in Santa Monica - of which there is a great online collection at above url. Plug Plug Chuck cswiger(a)widomaker.com

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V35-RS232 cable?

by edick＠idcomm.com

I remember at least one contact with this sort of cabling arrangement. The v.35 normally uses a distinctive rectangular connector while most manufacturers like the cheaper 'D' connectors. The use of the 'D' connector has more to do with cable-assembly cost than anything else, and it may not be assumed that there is any implication of signal compatibility. If you intend to play with the v.35, you may want to look at the standard before risking the health of your interface hardware. I haven't looked at it in years, but IIRC, it's a differential arrangement at ECL levels or something on that order. I say this because I seem to have seen ECL logic used to generate the levels in at least one piece of equipment. I don't much regret that I don't remember the details. Now that amateur ISP's are running high-speed telecom interfaces, e.g. DS-3, from their basements, we'll undoubtedly see this one more often. Dick ---------- > From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: V35-RS232 cable? > Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 7:28 AM > > At 20:33 25-02-1999 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hello, all: > > > > One of my recent acquisitions is a Roytron paper tape punch/reader. > >Before I actually got it, it had a v.35-to-DB25 cable on it . Now it > >doesn't, of course. > > > > I'm ignorant (about many things, but particularly) about v.35, so could > >this have been an RS-232 adapter cable? If so, how could I make one? > > It's not just a simple cable in a case like that. There would also be some > level-shifting electronics involved for at least the data leads because > V.35 is a differential interface. > > I'm a little surprised to hear of a V.35 cable on something like a paper > tape handler. Are you sure the thing really does have a V.35 interface, and > that Roytron didn't just happen to use the same connector that V.35 devices > do? > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies > http://www.bluefeathertech.com > Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com > SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) > "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own > human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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FW: PDP-11/73's and Qbus parts

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Fellow in New York's got a bunch of stuff available. Contact him directly if interested. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: jdvicto(a)mail.med.cornell.edu Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11,alt.sys.pdp-11 Subject: NYC: pdp-11/73's, related eqpt. available Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 03:27:43 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7b54b6$70k$1(a)nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.251.4.88 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Feb 26 03:27:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.01 (Win16; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x14.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 140.251.4.88 Path: news1.jps.net!news.pbi.net!151.142.223.51!WCG!news.idt.net!newsfeed.cwix.com !204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!n ot-for-mail Xref: news1.jps.net vmsnet.pdp-11:1117 New York City (Manhattan): Three 11/73 systems, also many Qbus boards (including two /73 boards, multiple DEC and non-DEC boards), magtapes, LN03's, etc. looking for a nice new home. For details, see [replace the "dash" with a dash, and replace the "tilde" with a tilde]... http://www"dash"users.med.cornell.edu/"tilde"jdvicto/nycpdp.html -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Another NEC APCIII question.

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

The APC III was not IBM compatible at all in it's original form. It had a special version of DOS and the floppy drives are _Quad_ density not double density. When NEC later saw the error of their ways, they offered a special card called an SLE that when installed allowed the machine to run standard IBM compatible software. This came with another version of DOS, which I think was also specific to this machine for booting purposes. SLE stood for Software Library Extender. I think the special card had it's own 8088 cpu. APC III's were heavily marketed here in Australia and were once very easy to find. I have a number in deep storage (ie too deep to get out and look at easily). NEC also provided financial incentives for software developers here and I have come across several cases of startup companies built on these incentives, all now gone though. I think NEC learned about compatibility the hard way. To get your machine going the first question is whether you have the SLE card or not. The second question is whether you have the correct monitor. I don't think normal IBM style monitors will work. Hans Olminkhof -----Original Message----- From: Jason Willgruber <roblwill(a)usaor.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, 26 February 1999 13:36 Subject: Another NEC APCIII question. >I got the NEC to seek the floppy. Sort of.... > >Does the APC III Use a special version of DOS? If so, what version? I >tried 5.0, and it won't work. > >ThAnX, >-- > -Jason Willgruber > (roblwill(a)usaor.net) > ICQ#: 1730318 ><http://members.tripod.com/general_1> >

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Info on Monitor Dynamics 1016 hard disk controller - S-100

by bobstek＠ix.netcom.com

If anyone has docs on this board, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Thanks. Bob Stek bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com Saver of Lost SOLs

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tandy1000 (fwd)

by siconic＠jasmine.psyber.com

Here's someone wanting to sell a Tandy 1000 system. Please reply to original sender. Reply-to: javajam(a)totalink.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 06:15:36 -0500 From: Dave Trevino <javajam(a)totalink.net> Subject: tandy1000 I have an old Tandy 1000 I was thinking of piecing out. Now I see there is some interest in this era of computing. I personally don't have a strong interest in these computers, but I'd hate to trash a great example of early eighties pc. I hope you could tell me Where I could sell and for what. The system is: Tandy 1000 (no letters)8088 processor dual 360k 5.25 128k base mem w/ isa expansion to 640k original rgb monitor, keyboard, two joysticks, and touch pad original 120 dot matrix printer My parents purchased the computer new about 1984-5, and it has never given any problems. It is in pristine shape with just a lillte wear in one joystick and on the touch pad. I have all manuals for computer and original Tandy specific version of MS-DOS 2.1 and Deskmate. Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Dave Trevino Also I have an 8088 Xtra 20mb isa HD 1 5.25" 360k 1 3.5" 720k with bad switch on monitor Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)verio.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Puttin' the smack down on the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0! See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details [Last web site update: 02/15/99]

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General info on HP2000/1000 lineage..

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Someone just asked me... >Hmm...what is the difference between the 1000 M-series and the 21MX >M-series? Paint? I thought my response might be of interest to others, so here's the scoop... The oldest systems in the "1000" series are the M series. They consisted of the 21mx 2112a, 21mx 2108a, and the 21mx 2105a. Later HP introduced the E series with the new 21mxe 2113a and 21mxe 2109a boxes. The E series did not replace the M series though. Then there was a major revision to the power supplies used in the cpu which was indicated by the B version (21mx 2112a became 21mxe 2112b, 21mxa 2108a became 21mx 2108b, 21mxe 2113a went to 21mxe 2113b, and 21mxe 2109a went to 21mxe 2109b). The 21mx 2105a stayed 21mx 2105a though. Finally there was the introduction of the F series with the 1000F 2117f and the 1000F 2111f. When the F series was introduced, all the systems became known as 1000's model such and such, with different designations. So finally there was the HP1000 F series 2117F, the HP1000 F series 2111F, the 21mxe 2113b became the 1000E 2113e, the 21mxe 2109b became the 1000E 2109e, the 21mxe 2112b became 1000M 2112m, and the 21mx 2105a finally changed to 1000M 2105a. More to the point, most of the upgrades along the way in a given branch were related to the power supply, the addition of more instructions to the instruction set (most related to better memory management), and faster memory boards. The HP 2000 systems did not designate a particular cpu. HP2000 or access, 2000a, 2000b, 2000c, 2000c', 2000e, 2000F (option 200/205 or 210/215), and the third party (NON-HP) 2000G designated a particular combination of peripherals. The hp2000 family generally used the pre-M series 2114 or 2116 cpu's. Later the 2100A and 2100S cpu's were used. Finally, even though HP still used the 2100 cpu's, many customers switched over to the 21mx 2108 and 21mx 2112 from the M series because they were slightly faster and used the new semiconductor memory. Few did setup HP2000 on the E series because they were faster enough to introduce time dependent problems in the TSB code. Generally the HP2000 designation meant the system was running TSB (Timeshare BASIC) which is my particular target of collecting since it was the first computer system I ever learned. If the same hardware was running DOS/RTE, etc. is was called an HP 1000. Hope this helps! Jay West

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Looking for RT-11 Documentation

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi Group: I have absolutely no RT-11 documentation, although I have two systems running it (both 11/23s). Does anyone have any online documentation on the command language, configuration, device drivers, sysgen, etc? I'm fumbling around without it. I couldn't find much on the usual sources. An online intro, users' manual, or similar would be helpful. Thanks in advance, Kevin ========================================================== Sgt. Kevin McQuiggin, Vancouver Police Department E-Comm Project (604) 215-5095; Cell: (604) 868-0544 Email: mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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HP3000/2000/1000 emulators?

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Okay - I got off my behind and looked it up in my favorites folder ;) The URL for the emulator is: http://oscar.taurus.com/~jeff/2100/index.html When you get to the website, notice there is a roughly 17 tape paper tape set for something called MSU 4 user Time Share BASIC. NOTE THAT IS NOT "TSB". The msu stuff is greatly stripped down - basically supports a TSB like basic and saves to/from paper tape. It is however, quite interesting to see how they wrote their interpreter. Even used the chebbychev transformations....:) Jay -----Original Message----- From: KFergason(a)aol.com <KFergason(a)aol.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 10:15 PM Subject: Re: HP3000/2000/1000 emulators? >If anyone does find it, please post it. (or email me). >I did not find it via Yahoo or Dogpile. > >I started computing on a HP2000F back in '78. Man, that was fun. > >Thanks, > >Kelly >KFergason(a)aol.com > >In a message dated 2/25/99 9:24:42 PM Central Standard Time, jlwest(a)tseinc.com >writes: > >> in case you missed my post on classiccmp, Jeff Moffat wrote an emulator for >> the 2100. Don't recall the URL, but search yahoo & such for 2100 and you >> should find it. >> >> Jay West >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arfon Gryffydd <arfonrg(a)texas.net> >> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers >> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >> Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 8:11 AM >> Subject: HP3000/2000/1000 emulators? >> >> >> >Anyone know of any HP1000/2000/3000 emulators (for a PC running Linux?) >> > >

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IBM 1130?

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

AFAIK, the IBM museum in Sindelfingen, Germany, has one, and it is up and running (together with their 650, 1401, etc.). If you need contacts there, I could give them; no Internet, though !! John G. Zabolitzky

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HP3000/2000/1000 emulators?

by KFergason＠aol.com

If anyone does find it, please post it. (or email me). I did not find it via Yahoo or Dogpile. I started computing on a HP2000F back in '78. Man, that was fun. Thanks, Kelly KFergason(a)aol.com In a message dated 2/25/99 9:24:42 PM Central Standard Time, jlwest(a)tseinc.com writes: > in case you missed my post on classiccmp, Jeff Moffat wrote an emulator for > the 2100. Don't recall the URL, but search yahoo & such for 2100 and you > should find it. > > Jay West > -----Original Message----- > From: Arfon Gryffydd <arfonrg(a)texas.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 8:11 AM > Subject: HP3000/2000/1000 emulators? > > > >Anyone know of any HP1000/2000/3000 emulators (for a PC running Linux?) > >

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Another NEC APCIII question.

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Jason Willgruber <roblwill(a)usaor.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, 26 February 1999 15:06 Subject: Another NEC APCIII question. >I got the NEC to seek the floppy. Sort of.... > >Does the APC III Use a special version of DOS? Yeah, I think it does. >If so, what version? I 3.3 IIRC. I've got one here somewhere, I'll dig it out over the weekend and have a look. I might be able to do you a disk image of the boot disk. >tried 5.0, and it won't work. I think only the NEC 'version' of the OS will work. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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