- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

>> Anyone heard of the old newsletter Cursor? Is there anyone out there >> with backissues that might be persuaded to photocopy a few? >I seem to recall - I was about 15 at the time so I could never afford it - >Cursor was a newsletter for the Commodore PET that came on (or accompanied >by) a cassette full of fun programs. >Does this tally with other people's memories, or am I thinking of some'at >else? >Philip. Yes I have a couple dozen of the Cursor Magazines, They used to be one of my favorites, Also Run Magazine, and the very best was Transactor Magazine. All published in the 80's Phil..

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by Jgzabol＠aol.com

In einer eMail vom 03.03.99 09:57:34 MEZ, schreibt Doug: << On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Bill Yakowenko wrote: > Is anyone out there actually tinkering with building a relay machine? > The other day I found SPDT relays for less than a buck each in a > Digi-Key catalog. Seems to me they were $0.81 each in quantities of 100 > or more; maybe $1.06 each for 25. I know NPDT (N>1) is better, but for > less than $1 each, this seems pretty good. I've created a small private mailing list for a few people (including me) who are (thinking about) building relay machines. You can get relays pretty cheap at surplus electronic shops, but that doesn't sound like a bad deal for matching new relays.... >> Hi Doug, would you mind to keep me informed ? Before turning to tube equipment, I studied relays. In my way of doing things, strict register transfer logic, a computer is no more general than a counter (on the base level), so I built two different relay counters to see how the technology feels like. It did not agree with me, so I turned to tubes. But still, I would find it quite interesting to see what you do ! You are aware of the Halle site on Zuse Z3? www.informatik.uni-halle.de\~thurm\z3 Regards John G. Zabolitzky

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Book Review: How to Build a Working Digital Computer

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

John Lawson <jpl15(a)netcom.com> said: > I take this trenchant opportunity to remind the Assembled > Faithful that > > www.abebooks.com > > is, IMHO a rilly bitch'n place to score Olde Computer Books. > > I have just today gotten my copy of "Digital Techniques for >Computation and Control, 1958... full of killer pix of cool old >iron, which will go to swell the many megabytes of scans I'm I prefer to use BookFinders http://www.bookfinder.com/ because they search Powell's Books, Amazon.com, Bibliocity, YourBooks.com, Antiqbook AND Advanced Book Exchange with just one search. My latest score? "BRAINIACS: 201 Small Electric Brain Macines, and how to make them, Including all 33 Geniacs (1955), All 13 Tyniacs (1956), and 155 Brainiacs (1957-1958-1959). Illustrated by Ann B. Baker. Berkeley Enterprises, Inc., Newtonville, Mass. (1959). FIRST PRINTING." When I received the book, I found that 3 of the chapters in pamphlet form (published before 1959) were also included. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA =========================================

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Z3 builders?

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

>But still, I would find it quite interesting to see what you do ! I am also interested in relay driven logic. This seems to be more OT than much of the discussion here so, I'd like to see updates posted to the group. Does anyone have objections to that? Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Q: RL01 --> RL02 switching mods

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Hi folks, A week or so ago there was discussion of modifications to switch an RL02 drive to read (only) RL01 discpaks. I want to perform this mod to one of my RL02s as I have RL01 pacs I want to keep on hand. Could any of you provide the details to this mod? That's why I want to trade an RL01-A printset for an RL02 as seen in my previous msg. I could use a 'roadmap' to help me with this and for future repairs if needed. The SN's of the two RL02s are CX 34389 and CX 34390, if that has any relevance to the modification. Thanks for your help! Regards, Chris PS: I'm getting back into trying to get the 11/34A system up and running. I have the rack and components down in my basement shop now. (My body is still sore. That empty BA-11K and empty 6-foot rack are heavy! :) I will likely be asking a few questions as to why I wasn't able to get a bootup going last autumn and how to fix it. I'm really just a hardware newbie for now. -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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Found today...

by black＠gco.apana.org.au

Added the following to my growing collection today : Commodore 1201 monochrome monitor ($2) works too. Triumph Adler Alphatronic PC, came with monitor, cables by the bucketload, manuals & 2 external 320k floppies. This one cost $12. It powers up with Microsoft ROM Basic 5.1, but apparently can also run CP/M, so will see what I can do with it....... it originally had a system disk as well, but that no longer exists. If you power on with no disk in the first drive, it won't work ...... What I didn't get : An old HEAVY Osbourne 8088 "portable" (sure - if you've got a crane), they've put it aside for me - next week!. An HP 85 - this one looks interesting, it has a full sized (88) key keyboard, also a tiny 5" green monitor built in, as well, it has a built in printer (dot matrix I *think*), that has a paper roll about 4" wide, not sure exactly what this thing is, anyone know ? (this also is put aside). An IBM (no model number) two internal side-by-side black 3.5" floppies, non-standard monitor connector, PS/2 style mouse & k/brd connectors, small grey box, about the width of a normal keyboard, 5" high, about 12" deep. On the rear "Manufactured by IBM Japan 1987" nothing else. And the final one, at first sight it looked like two floppy drives in a box, closer inspection showed that it was actually a PC of some description, standard RS232 & Centronics port at rear, looks like a normal 9 pin RGB connector & a k/brd connector that was 25 pins, 13 on top, 12 on bottom. Only identification was "Made in South Australia by Australian Typewriters, lisenced from Ohio Computers USA (c) 1980" They want $20 which is a little hexy for something unknown, with no manuals, or keyboard. Oh, the TA is up for grabs (in Australia) if anyone wants it for my cost price plus postage. Cheers, Lance

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Cursor newsletter

by Philip.Belben＠PowerTech.co.uk

> Anyone heard of the old newsletter Cursor? Is there anyone out there > with backissues that might be persuaded to photocopy a few? I seem to recall - I was about 15 at the time so I could never afford it - Cursor was a newsletter for the Commodore PET that came on (or accompanied by) a cassette full of fun programs. Does this tally with other people's memories, or am I thinking of some'at else? Philip.

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Tektronix 4051 & 4052

by Philip.Belben＠PowerTech.co.uk

> I'm posting this to the list so you can't say I didn't do my homework. > I tracked down a 4051 that I saw mentioned on the web and asked about it. > Here's their response: > > Greetings Joe, > I have had your e-mail on my to do list for > sometime but the alligators have been chasing me on other chores. Any > how The tek 4051 is about 1976 vintage and it is only recently that we > disposed of them to our surplus place. We had 4051, 4052 ,plotter, > joystick and a printer. I still have all the manuals and microfiche for > them I think. > The address for our surplus unit is <sniped>. > > I'm already working on trying to get the manuals and to find out about > their surplus disposal. Keep up the good work! I never meant to imply that you had failed to do any homework... Philip.

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FT: RL01-A printset

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Greetings DEC gang: I need an RL02 printset. I have an extra RL01-A printset. Will anybody trade? I'll take a good xerographic copy. If a copy, I would like it kinda sized to fit in my DEC blue prinset binders with my other prinsets. Thanks much. Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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goodbye [was e-bay item]

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Enough is enough; this childish one-upmanship and thoughtless bandwidth-wasting public argument about a topic which is of little interest to me, but more to the point where neither party will ever convince the other party that they're wrong has forced me to take the plunge. I realised long ago that the only way to win these sorts of arguments is NOT TO PARTICIPATE. Thanks to everyone who has refrained from adding to the pointless debate. To the others - the only way to win is not to play. Have a think about that. I have unsubscribed, and will not see any replies unless they are directed to my personal email. A -- Andrew Davie adavie(a)mad.scientist.com Museum of Soviet Calculators http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/calculator/soviet.html Yahoo! Netscape, New Scientist, The Wall Street Journal, Newsweek and UK Independant Cool Site!

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Found today...

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

>An IBM (no model number) two internal side-by-side black 3.5" floppies, >non-standard monitor connector, PS/2 style mouse & k/brd connectors, >small grey box, about the width of a normal keyboard, 5" high, about 12" >deep. On the rear "Manufactured by IBM Japan 1987" nothing else. Sounds like an IBM PC JX. Apparently when the IBM PC JR failed in the US market, they sold the design to IBM Japan who revamped it, called it the JX and sold it in places like Australia.

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Lisa screen adjustment

by hansp＠digiweb.com

ACONIT recently acquired an Apple Lisa. It appears to be fully functional except that the video signnal is shited right horizontally about an inch or two. Doeas anyone know of an adjustment for this? Regards _---_--__-_-_----__-_----_-__-__-_-___--_-__--___-__----__--_--__-___- Hans B Pufal Comprehensive Computer Catalogue <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> <http://digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc>

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Central Point Option Board

by gareth.knight2＠which.net

Lawrence Walker wrote: > Yeah, but the last time I looked they wanted something like $500 for Executor. The demo version is free and can read Mac disks. -- Gareth Knight Amiga Interactive Guide | ICQ No. 24185856 http://welcome.to/aig | "Shine on your star"

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Jumpers for XT-4380

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi Zane: Here are XT-4380 jumper settings, from the functional drive sitting here in front of me: DS1 jumpered JP42 on JP30 on JP31 on JP25 on JP6 on JP17 on JP19-22 on 4 bottom jumpers to the right of JP24 also on. This set of jumpers is bordered on both sides by 10 pin terminators. JP1 on 5 by 2 pin jumper block at the rear of the drive: nothing installed here. This works for me, on an Emulex QD21. Hope this helps, Kevin -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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Lucky day in Tigard Oregon

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/3/99 5:30:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, mbg(a)world.std.com writes: > >What movie featured a group of kids who traveled into space with a ship > >they built controlled by an Apple //c? > > I think it was 'Explorers', starring a very young River Phoenix as > the computer nerd... all the schematics for the devices which > produced oxygen for them, surrounded them with a force field, > and allowed them to translate from position to position all came > to them in dreams... > > I loved the space aliens in it (obviously brother and sister) > who had stolen their parent's space vehicle... the brother talked > in sound bites from old tv shows... > > It comes on once in awhile on HBO (or can be rented)... > it was a neat movie especially since it showed the //c but i always thought it was stupid that they made the apple continually make disk drive access noises to make people think it was "working" david

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30-pin SIMMS

by edick＠idcomm.com

Originally, the SIPP was considered much more reliable than the SIMM. The SIMM sockets were a new product at that time and failure rates were pretty high, and it was easy to package a system more densely with SIPPs than with SIMM's. It was easy to bend the pins on the SIPP's, though, and retailers soon tired of having to hand-hold customers whose problems were simply bent pins, as, once bent, the pins tended to bend again and again until they were broken and repair was improbably if at all possible. Consequently, SIMMs, though less reliable but easier to install, and less likely, in either event, to sustain long-term damage took over the market. Ultimately, socket problems were defeated by persistence, educating the user public, and improved socketing technology. Dick ---------- > From: Max Eskin <max82(a)surfree.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: 30-pin SIMMS > Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 9:10 PM > > On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Tony Duell wrote: > >A SIPP is exactly a SIMM with pins soldered on - even the pinouts are the > >same. And thus SIPPs suffer from bent pins, just like individual chips > >do. That's why they went out of fashion. > > But why did anyone attach the pins in the first place? > > --Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)

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S-100 Mystery board

by Watzman＠ibm.net

I bought an S-100 card today at a hamfest for $1.00, now can someone tell me what it is ? It's a "65k byte SupeRam 2" P65D2 Rev. C by PIICEON, Inc. It has 64k of DRAM on it, 4 rows of 8 4116's, but the rest of the board does not look very "Ram-like", AND it has a 34-pin board edge connector at the top of the board. I realize that this suggests a 5" floppy drive interface, but a combined RAM and FDC card ????? Plus, the edge connector is VERY un-floppy like, normally a floppy connector would have half of the pins being ground, this clearly looks like it has active signals on almost all 34 lines. Anyone who has information, it would be appreciated. I'd most like to get a manual and switch settings [there are FOUR dip switches on this thing], also the IC at 9B is missing and the board screening does not identify what should go there. Regards, Barry Watzman

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by mbg＠world.std.com

>What movie featured a group of kids who traveled into space with a ship >they built controlled by an Apple //c? I think it was 'Explorers', starring a very young River Phoenix as the computer nerd... all the schematics for the devices which produced oxygen for them, surrounded them with a force field, and allowed them to translate from position to position all came to them in dreams... I loved the space aliens in it (obviously brother and sister) who had stolen their parent's space vehicle... the brother talked in sound bites from old tv shows... It comes on once in awhile on HBO (or can be rented)... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Lucky day in Tigard Oregon

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Wednesday, March 03, 1999 3:35 PM, Sellam Ismail [SMTP:dastar@ncal.verio.com] wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, James Willing wrote: > > > Trivia Question: (Compu-Nerd time - practice for the Nerd Trivia Contest > > at VCF III!) What movie had a scene with the lead character sitting on a > > beach with their trusty (?) Apple ][c complete with LCD display panel??? > > I think this is either a question we came up with for the Nerd Trivia > Challenge last year or someone already posted this (I know I've seen it > before). At any rate, it was Roy Scheider in 2010. > > What movie featured a group of kids who traveled into space with a ship > they built controlled by an Apple //c? > > (I hope someone knows...I know the movie but not the name :) > > Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 02/15/99] > > EXPLORERS I'll donate the prize to VCF III ;-) Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Who invented the internet?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I guess we'll have to see what information is available on the net about <that January 1986 event. I do seem to recall that the flight was about 2 <minutes 10+ seconds underway when the ship hit the fan, so to speak. The <entire trip into orbit only required about 8.5 minutes, so they were a fai <piece of the way along. It was exactly at T+73 seconds and Christa's mother is my next door neighbor then and now. It was post max-Q transistion at main engine power up. Every time I see a launch I get a knot at that time. FYI the speed attained at that point is some 3600mph far from orbital velocity. FYI: TLC had a special on space flight just that last week and that footage was part of it. It's a reminder that I didn't need. Allison

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Z3 builders?

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Is anyone out there actually tinkering with building a relay machine? The other day I found SPDT relays for less than a buck each in a Digi-Key catalog. Seems to me they were $0.81 each in quantities of 100 or more; maybe $1.06 each for 25. I know NPDT (N>1) is better, but for less than $1 each, this seems pretty good. Cheers, Bill.

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Dayton Hamfest

by dogas＠leading.net

Marvin, e t al... How about an early breakfast Sat morning somewhere convenient? - Mike -----Original Message----- From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Dayton Hamfest >Mike wrote: >> >> Hi Barry, >> >> I was thinking about attending the computershow in Dayton in a couple of >> weeks. You say that there is no flea market. Does that mean that >> (classiccomp) systems aren't sold there??? And can I get a general set of >> directions to the Hara.. >> >> Maybe we can do a lunch between or drink after the festivities > >Hi Mike, et al, > >Right now, a friend of mine and I have hotel reservations for Thursday >through Saturday, and my current plans are to leave on Sunday. Who is >interested in getting together? Saturday during the day is tied up with ARDF >activities, and several of us who are trying to build up the US ARDF team >will be meeting tenatively Friday evening. Right now, I have most of Friday >planned to visit the flea market, and probably parts of Sunday also. > >Dayton is getting closer! >

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Tech Ref PC//AT

by rcini＠msn.com

Hello, all: Does anyone have a copy of the Tech Ref manual for the PC/AT that they can spare (temporarily -- I'll make a copy of it)? Specifically, I'm looking for a copy of the BIOS listing in the back, for educational purposes. Thanks! [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

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Lucky day in Tigard Oregon

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/3/99 11:22:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, george(a)racsys.rt.rain.com writes: > Weeks of visits to the local Goodwill paid off last night. > > I even missed it on the first pass..... > > I snagged an Apple ][c LCD panel with attached ][c last night for the > grand price of $29.99. > > This completes my Apple ][ collection! > good job! of course, it doesnt beat the LCD i found complete in box previously used for $3. lol. i've found its really not all that great though. i wouldnt use it on a regular basis as it is just too dark. all i need is a //c+ and my apple collection is complete also. david

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e-bay item

by dogas＠leading.net

I've been pretty quiet this go around... I am however tentatively planning on spamming the hell out of ccauctions with beannie baby sale notifications... Those bastards have ruined this list ;) - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

27 years, 4 months

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UK: The Haddock Book

by kevan＠heydon.org

I know the Thomas Haddock book, A Collector's Guide to Personal Computers and Pocket Calculators, is not well liked around this group, but I just thought I would mention that there is a copy in my local book store (Heffers) and if there is anyone in the UK that wants it then I could get it for them. -- Kevan Collector of old computers: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/

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e-bay item

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990301181341.12293B-100000(a)genco.haggle.com> On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> wrote: ] On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Noel Fields wrote: ] > So far, the bid is 1.00 on it. Thought someone here might be interested :) ] ] If there was already a bid on it, somebody was obviously interested in it, ] but I guess he won't be getting it for $1 anymore :-( Doug wrote once before (21 Jan 1999): ... the moral is the same: if you're contemplating an action that has an equal chance of helping or hurting, watch a movie instead. That stuck in my head, because it has the Ring of Truth(TM) to it. Of course, if posting these "heads-up" messages has an equal chance of helping or hurting, then *failing* to post them does too, as does discouraging people from posting them. So how come people keep doing that, instead of watching movies? Anyway, as far as I can see, posting it here is a win, probabilistically, because it increases the chance that a list member will get the item. If I don't favor any particular list member, then posting the news here is the best way to get the item to the person that wants it most. Keeping it secret means hurting the guy that wanted it most, more than it helped the guy that wanted it less - a net loss. We are all friends here, right? Giving the same news to everybody is perfectly fair, and increases the chance that one of our friends will win (instead of a total stranger). As for the "logical extreme" of posting 17000 items from e-bay to here, nobody does that because, contrary to your assertion, it is not a duty to post these things; it is a nicety. Making the leap from that to "duty" is nuts. (And I think your guestimate of 17000 interesting items is high by about a factor of about 10000. But that's beside the point.) The more ridiculous the arguments become, the more obvious it is that you are just being selfish, and want the rest of the world to help you along with that. Prove me wrong here; the next time you find a great deal out there, post an article here saying how much you bid, and explaining why everyone else here should let you have it for that great price and not interfere. Explain why you deserve it more than anyone else. If you can't do that, then you have no right to be upset when people notify others whom they think will be interested, and those people bid. Having said all that, I must also point out that since another mailing list was set up just for posting these announcements, that is the most appropriate place. Snipped from another old message of Doug's (from 26 Jan 1999): ] ... the idea of an auction mailing list, so I've created one. ] You can subscribe by sending a message to: ] majordomo(a)nut.net ] with the body: ] subscribe ccauction ] ] I, for one, will not be on this new list, but I'll respond ] to admin requests. YOU ARE ALL HEREBY COMMANDED TO SUBSCRIBE! ... thus ending the notification wars once and for all. Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? :-) (BTW, is the ccauction list mentioned in the classiccmp FAQ?) Cheers, Bill.

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Dayton Hamfest

by dogas＠leading.net

Hi Barry, I was thinking about attending the computershow in Dayton in a couple of weeks. You say that there is no flea market. Does that mean that (classiccomp) systems aren't sold there??? And can I get a general set of directions to the Hara.. Maybe we can do a lunch between or drink after the festivities Regards - MIke -----Original Message----- From: Barry A. Watzman <Watzman(a)ibm.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classicmputers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 11:31 PM Subject: Dayton Hamfest >The Dayton Hamfest is a fabulous show. It is THE LARGEST amateur radio convention [it's "official" purpose]. The Hara arena is a very good size facility, I'd guess in the over 100,000 sq. ft. range (perhaps WAY over), and it's all indoor, heated/air conditioned [not that it works with 35,000 people in the facility], and all commercial vendors, many, many of which are used computer and surplus dealers (there is lots of new stuff also). It's about 60%-70% computer, the rest general electronics and communications [radio] equipment. > >The flea market takes up the entire parking lot, in excess of 2,500 vendors. There are many commercial exhibits in the parking lot also, you will find a number of very large tents (10,000 square feet range each). Mendelson surplus always has a large tent, and almost every year Radio Shack [as in Tandy] collects their entire surplus and returned merchandise stuff >from all over the nation and sends it all to a big tent at the Dayton Hamfest where it is sold for often ten cents on the retail dollar. However they didn't do this last year, for the first time I can remember, but they still had a huge indoor exhibit with many items, new, at 25% to 50% below normal store and catalog prices. > >The show is logistically difficult to attend for several reasons. First, it brings in so many people [over 25,000 plus a large local population] that poor Dayton, which is hardly a tourist mecca, is complete swamped. You can forget about finding a hotel at this point, the people who do this show get their reservations a year in advance. You may have to stay in Columbus or Cincinnati [both about 70 miles away], fortunately both are directly on an interstate highway and it's not a bad drive. The other problem is parking, since the entire lot is flea market there isn't any ! There are some LARGE fields around the complex that are used for parking, expect to pay $5 to $10 per day, and they are not paved, or very close, which become a real issue in bad weather. Then there are remote lots with busses, but that's a hassle also. > >The show is May 14, 15, 16. > >Here is an alternative, the Dayton Microcomputer association has a twice a year computer show at the same site. It's just about as large as the Hamfest, and it's ALL computer. There is no flea market, the parking lot is used for - surprise ! - PARKING ! It's almost like having 3 Dayton Hamfests a year, except that two of them don't have the flea market. This year's dates (it's only a two-day show): > >Spring: March 13-14 >Summer/Fall: August 28-29 > >I plan to attend all 3 events. > > >

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Unsubscriptions

by jpl15＠netcom.com

u I guess this is on-topic for the moment. Two of my on-line friends have unsubscribed from this list publically; only Derreck is in a position to know how many have lapsed silently. It is the old usenet/mailist syndrome. A disagreement starts, escalates, sides are chosen, persons come in halfway and add distorted fuel, endless changes are rung on is/is not, did/did not, me/no, me!... etc ad nauseum. And when the noise achieves it's sustained reaction peak, valuable contributors take the step of severing thier connection with the source of the noise... be it bandwidth, emotional, harrasment, or other klinds of Internet 'noise'. The response that always works for me is the 'delete' function in my mail software. I personally refuse to descend the slippery slope of Victim Conciousness, no matter how alluring the bottom might seem. I don't like some of the discussions posted here, but I have a noise blanker in Pine, invoked by pressing 'D' once for each instance of a noisy message. And I take responsibility for what I write, and for the manner in which I respond to others using this medium of expression. Okay this is too long. Heavily moderated lists are quiet but necessarily fascistic. Not a bad thing, qua the list in question. Loosely moderated lists generate fabulous discussion and info, but suffer what we now see on classiccmp. A rhetorical question: on what emotional level do you engae this List, and the Net in general? A lot of people espouse Anarchy and Chaos, until one fine night the other Anarchists decide they want your farm more than you do.... :} Cheers John PS: I hope Andrew and Doug reconsider in the fulness of time. I will miss them.

27 years, 4 months

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e-bay item

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 08:54 PM 3/2/99 -0800, you wrote: >On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Joe wrote: > >> Anyway, his view is that if he takes a lower price then people will start >> expecting him to sell cheaper. Therefore he sets a price and he doesn't >> care how long it sets, he won't come off that price. Sooner or later he'll >> scrap it. We just scrapped a brand new $100,000 circuit board component >> placing machine today. It was brand new and was still in the original >> (HUGE) crate. > >That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever! That is a ludicrous way to do >business in my opinion. What have you gained from purchasing something, >spending money to store it, and then deciding to write-off the whole >thing rather than at least make a little money on it (or even break even). >I just don't get it. > Sam, I agree completely. You're better off to get something for it instead of nothing IMO. He thinks he's keeping the prices up by doing it that way, but price doesn't matter if you can't sell it. Joe

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Dayton Hamfest

by dogas＠leading.net

my apoligies, all...

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e-bay item

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 07:08 AM 3/2/99 -0800, Sam wrote: >On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Mike Ford wrote: > >> I am a bit touchy right now because yesterday I had a very unpleasant phone >> exchange. Typical story, guy buys a few pallets at auction, and finds in >> this case some old macs in with the PC stuff he wants. He has, once it is >> cleaned up and checked out, if it is as he describes maybe $400 retail of >> goods. He doesn't just decline my very fair offer (about $150 for the >> curious) in light of the actual untested pile of stuff on a pallet >> condition, but tells me he will just throw it in a dumpster if he can't get >> a retail price. Ignore the fact he paid 3 cents a pound or $20 a pallet, >> and wants me to buy the part he doesn't want. > >This is the worst kind of asshole and I've encountered them a few times. >I can't understand what goes through the puny mind of someone with this >sort of attitude. > I understand them. In fact, I'm working with one of them right now. He just tossed a whole pallet load of PS-2s and another pallet load of HPs. (I wasn't there that day or I would have tried to get them but they know that so I'm sure that's why they were pitched the one day I wasn't there.) Anyway, his view is that if he takes a lower price then people will start expecting him to sell cheaper. Therefore he sets a price and he doesn't care how long it sets, he won't come off that price. Sooner or later he'll scrap it. We just scrapped a brand new $100,000 circuit board component placing machine today. It was brand new and was still in the original (HUGE) crate. Joe

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e-bay item

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 11:50 AM 3/2/99 -0800, Sellam wrote: > >Yes they will. But the sellers are always welcome to go through the >hassle of using ebay rather than the simple immediate exchange of cash for >computers. Cleaner and easier than ebay. Huh? Attending VCF in person and renting a flea market spot and dealing with customers is easier than using eBay? Wow, you really do put a positive spin on VCF. :-) - John

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DEC LA75 printer

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Anyone have a manual for the DEC LA75S-A2? This model has both parallel and >serial ports, although the serial port is the skewed RJ-45 connector. MMJ. See the comp.os.ultrix FAQ for pinouts and comon adapter cables. >I haven't been able to find out anything about configuring/setting up this >printer. Hmm - my LA75 has a SETUP button on the front. Hold it down, power the printer up, you get a menu of options to change. Is the SETUP button not on yours? > There seems to be a little info on the Web on how to set up up for >DOS/Windows, but I want to use it with DEC equipment (VT-220, VT340, Pro, >etc.), and I don't even have a new enough manual to give a description of it. With DEC equipment, you plug it in, turn it on, and go. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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DEC LA75 printer

by dburrows＠netpath.net

Trying again. I just discovered the listproc looks at every message and there is a hold command. Hold the setup button while you turn it on. It will then print its current setup. You can change values with the other buttons. The button names that are below the buttons are for the setup mode. You want the DEC emulation for VT420 etc. use and the "other" emulation is IBM proprinter. Dan >Anyone have a manual for the DEC LA75S-A2? This model has both parallel and >serial ports, although the serial port is the skewed RJ-45 connector. > >I haven't been able to find out anything about configuring/setting up this >printer. There seems to be a little info on the Web on how to set up up for >DOS/Windows, but I want to use it with DEC equipment (VT-220, VT340, Pro, >etc.), and I don't even have a new enough manual to give a description of it. > >It looks like it will take a font cartridge, too? Anything useful? > >Thanks, >Dave >

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More KIM docs to be posted

by rcini＠msn.com

Hello, all: Courtesy of Ruud Baltissen, I have been given OCR'ed versions of the KIM "hints" book and the "user's guide". Over the next few days, I'll reformat them slightly and post them. Enjoy! [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

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DEC LA75 printer

by djenner＠halcyon.com

Anyone have a manual for the DEC LA75S-A2? This model has both parallel and serial ports, although the serial port is the skewed RJ-45 connector. I haven't been able to find out anything about configuring/setting up this printer. There seems to be a little info on the Web on how to set up up for DOS/Windows, but I want to use it with DEC equipment (VT-220, VT340, Pro, etc.), and I don't even have a new enough manual to give a description of it. It looks like it will take a font cartridge, too? Anything useful? Thanks, Dave

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Central Point Option Board

by PB14＠leicester.ac.uk

On 1 Mar 99 at 1:58, Gareth Knight wrote: > Zane H. Healy mentioned reading Mac disks in Windows: > >Rumor has it that there is something along these lines. Since use a Mac > >and Windows I've never looked into it. > > There is a freeware utility called TransMac or something like that. It is > also possible to use Mac CDs and disks using the Executor Mac emulator. There are two DOS based shareware apps, MacSee and Macette. Try your local Simtel mirror site in the DOS area under DISK. Needless to say, these utils only work for 1.4Mb disks, not 400/800Kb. Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

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3270 card for PC

by edick＠idcomm.com

On the off-chance that someone can use it for something, I'll offer a CXI 3270 (coax) board for the 8-bit ISA bus, condition unknown. I plan to ship via USPS Priority mail. If you want it, let me know. I have had little use for such a card, but I am told if you need one, little else will do. Dick

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FREE: ~5160

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/2/99 1:42:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, jott(a)roadkill.ee.nd.edu writes: > There may be some IBM 5160 type computers available in a day or two. > I'm not interested, but if someone wants to pay shipping I'll look > into it. Reply quickly, since I'm not interested they'll go in the > dumpster if I don't hear anything. > > john well, they're only XTs, but shirley they deserve something better than just to be thrown out? Personally, I don't think any computer no matter how 'worthless' should be thrown out. It could do word processing or dos tutoring at the very least.

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e-bay item

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:58 PM 3/1/99 -0800, Sellam Ismail wrote: >So far, as far as being THE venue for buying/selling/trading old computer >things, I say that the VCF is second only to eBay. But the advantage of >the VCF is that you can get stuff MUCH cheaper than you would have to pay >on eBay. Last year all sorts of excellent stuff got sold for very >reasonable prices. The VCF is an admirable effort, indeed, but I don't see how you're going to avoid eBay's influence on the price of old computers. For the booth sales, I'm sure eBay's prices will have an effect on the initial price for some high-profile items, don't you? The VCF isn't an auction, right? Or are you thinking of an auction format for next year? If you took a small cut, it might be good for the bottom line. - John

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Parsys Ltd T9000 SuperCluster documentation & software

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

>For the T2/T4/T8 (original transputers), there's the : >C004 crospoint switch >C011 parallel bus -> link interface >C012 ditto > >According to the databook, for the T9000 there's (at least) the : >C100 Protocol converter (links T9000 links to T2/T4/T8 links) >C104 packet routing switch (same sort of function as the C004) >C101 parallel bus -> link interface > >Be warned, I've done quite a bit with the original transputers (both >TRAMs and bare chips), but I've never seen a T9000. > I just found out that I have all the datasheets from Inmos! The IMSB103 is a DS-Link to Ethernet interface. I also got some more info on the T9000 transputers. I too have never seen a T9000 or worked with them, so I don't know too much about them either. I did work with T4 and T8 though. Ram

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e-bay item

by nfields＠ix.netcom.com

To doug, and the rest of the list. First, to doug. As for my "contribution to the last flame war" I made one post stating my opinion. I'm sorry if you feel this is not allowable. To anyone else, that I may have offended, by posting an e-bay auction, I do apologize, again. I must say, that I am disappointed with this. I subscribed to this list, because I enjoy older computers, and I wanted to learn more about them. As a thank you for the knowledge that I learned, I attempted to help someone else by pointing out a possible find for them. I'm done. I will not post another post at all to the list. I will sit here, and do nothing more than read. That way, no one, including doug, will ever feel that I have offended their opinions. Noel Doug wrote: > I just checked and found you contributed to the last flame war about this > topic. There's a mailing list setup where you can perform these acts of > kindness for people who have indicated they appreciate them. Send a > "subscribe ccauction" to majordomo(a)nut.net, and you can list your finds > there as often as you like. > > Please don't continue posting auctions to the classiccmp list where > several people (especially me) find them very annoying. > > Thanks, > Doug

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Sord Socius

by jpl15＠netcom.com

A magnification from one of my other posts: Prior to doing a websearch, has anyone on The List any info about the Sord Socius machine that I brought back from TRW? It appears to be in the same evolutionary tree as the early NEC APC series, ie; it uses soldered-in 8086 and 8087 (haven't looked for multiples) and twin 8" drives vertically mounted to the right of a 12" color monitor in a large case with seperate keyboard. Like the APC as well, is built like the proverbial masonry defecatorium. I also have the original (OS?) disk and another, that were in the drives. Cheerz John PS: I am just going out to unpack the haul from TRW, and I will fire up the Nicolet scope and see if it works...

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FREE: ~5160

by jott＠roadkill.ee.nd.edu

Hello - There may be some IBM 5160 type computers available in a day or two. I'm not interested, but if someone wants to pay shipping I'll look into it. Reply quickly, since I'm not interested they'll go in the dumpster if I don't hear anything. john -- *********************************************************************** * John Ott * Email: jott(a)saturn.ee.nd.edu * * Dept. Electrical Engineering * * * 275 Fitzpatrick Hall * * * University of Notre Dame * Phone: (219) 631-7752 * * Notre Dame, IN 46556 USA * * ***********************************************************************

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Deadline: Teledisk group grab

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Just a note, some of us (like me) read the list in digest form, one big blob per day. It arrives around 2am with the previous days' messages in it. Usually I read it around 11pm. So there is typically over 30 hours delay between when messages are sent and when I read them. (Say, sent before 5pm, read the next day around 11pm). I doubt that I am the only one in this situation, although I might be the worst case, reading late at night as I do. (And now you know why I always seem to revive dead threads!) With this in mind, please don't expect everybody to respond right away. If you really want to offer something to everybody, you have to allow at least two days turnaround time. Of course, if there are other reasons to need quick responses, do it! I know I am sacrificing something to get the list in digest form, and I won't blame anyone else for that. And in this case, I have such mixed feelings about Sydex that I'm not sure I would have responded anyway. So this is more of a "note for future reference" than anything else. Aside from all of that, thanks Bruce, for putting in the effort on this. Even though I didn't leap at it, I did consider it, and appreciate it. Cheers, Bill. On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> wrote: ] Well! This is going better than I ever expected! ] ] We've got 17 people so far, counting myself, interested in chipping in for ] a copy of Teledisk. This has brought the per-person price down to $9.00 ] (assuming $150 for the program plus $3.00 shipping). ] ] We have eight slots left out of 25 originally, and it occurs to me that I ] should probably set a deadline. For the moment, that deadline is 17:00 ] Pacific Time Sunday (2-28). In other words, tomorrow by five. ] ] If you're interested in getting in on this, please let me know via private ] E-mail by then. ] ] Thanks to all who've signed up so far. ] ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ] Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies ] http://www.bluefeathertech.com ] Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com ] SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) ] "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own ] human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Special Thanks to Bruce Lane & Michael Grigoni

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

I would like to extend a special thanks to Bruce Lane & Michael Grigoni for coordinating the Teledisk and HP belt purchases. It is that cooperative spirit that makes this such a wonderful group. Thanks guys, Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Nicolet rescue

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Had to rescue the Nicolet computer. Still not sure if I'm going to keep it...but at least it won't go to the scrap heap. I've never seen core quite like this. Each core plane is 4 cards, about 4" by 4", with 1K on each card (4k per core module) - plus the standard xydriver and sense/inhibit. The four cards of the core assembly are joined by small pins/solder brides between the cards. Really large doughnuts :-) This machine is actually very clean inside, despite it's 1974 vintage. The back panel is unique, with most peripheral devices connecting via coax. There appears to be a home-brew mod to switch select tty (current loop) or RS232 and if RS232 either 300 or 2400 baud. Despite the grainy photo - the 8" floppy unit really has only one drive. Also got the decitek paper tape unit. If anyone is curious - pics attached.

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Gooey rubber bits

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

Marvin wrote with respect to a HP85: >print each iteration of the program. The tape drive roller is gooey >although it is still round at this point :). I've often see rubber items on old printers and stuff go "gooey" like this. Does anyone understand why this happens and whether it is reversible? Sometimes in 2 different examples of the same machine, one has the problem and the other hasn't. My apologies if this has been discussed before. I missed it. Hans Olminkhof

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Central Point Option Board

by gareth.knight2＠which.net

Zane H. Healy mentioned reading Mac disks in Windows: >Rumor has it that there is something along these lines. Since use a Mac >and Windows I've never looked into it. There is a freeware utility called TransMac or something like that. It is also possible to use Mac CDs and disks using the Executor Mac emulator. -- Gareth Knight Amiga Interactive Guide | ICQ No. 24185856 http://welcome.to/aig | "Shine on your star"

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