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The Handbook of DEC Handbooks - status report.

by kstumpf＠unusual.on.ca

A while back many of you helped me compile a long list of DEC handbooks. I want to publish a beautiful book about them and it would also be a collector's guide. Well our combined efforts needed both more information to complete the list and it also needed an authority to confirm the completeness of our list. To do this I contacted a number of people at DEC/Compaq and finally got to a Mr. Stephen Dougherty. He was excited about the project and told me to get back to him in a week. This would give me time do some internal exploring. That was 2 months ago. His mail doesn't bounce back so he must still be working for Compaq, but he isn't replying. Thus the project is on hold. My investigation did some good though. The photo-archivist at Compaq was about to finalize arrangements to transfer DEC's archives to MIT when I introduced them to the Charles Babbage Institute. It doesn't matter who gets the photographs as long as they are preserved, but at least now, with the advice and encouragement of the professionals at the CBI, we will hopefully discover that all sorts of other important DEC memorabilia will be preserved. Take care ya'all. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Kevin Stumpf * Unusual systems * www.unusual.on.ca +1.519.744.2900 * EST/EDT GMT - 5 Collector - Commercial Mainframes & Minicomputers from the 50s, 60s, & 70s and control panels and consoles. Author & Publisher - A Guide to Collecting Computers & Computer Collectibles * ISBN 0-9684244-0-6 .

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Space, the next frontier

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<There have been 3.5" ST-506 interface hard drives? Yes, I've been using a miniscibe 21.7mb unit for years. Allison

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FONT NAME question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 24, 12:05, Sipke de Wal wrote: > Subject: Re: FONT NAME question > >From what I can gather it must be something very much like ARIAL but > with a bit more rounded features and the absence of a slant-end on > the top of the 't' > > Maybe you could make it yourself with a tt-font-editor. taking one > of the ARIAL-fonts as a starting point. > > Anyone know the name of the font used in the old "d|i|g|i|t|a|l" logo? I'm > > trying to reconstruct it (I've found a couple of gif files but I'd really > > like line art) for reproduction. Compaq is squashing this logo fast so > > seeing it is getting harder and harder! It's not very close to Arial. It's almost exactly standard Helvetica Bold. I have hundreds of PostScript fonts (I used to be in the printing business) and I couldn't find an exact match. However, PostScript fonts are just vector graphic descriptions, and I have software that can read those into a vector drawing package, so I just took Helvetica as starting point and tweaked it. The result isn't *exactly* right, but very close. You can have a PostScript copy of that if you want it... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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AIM 65 question

by edick＠idcomm.com

If you poke around a bit you may find that the three extra memory IC's contain the BASIC interpreter which was sold as an add-on. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 4:01 PM Subject: AIM 65 question >Hi, > > I picked up several AIM 65 computers. I've noticed that some of them >have two 24 Pin ICs in the lower right corner and some have five. Anyone >know what the difference is? Also some have only two of the 19 pin ICs in >the top right corner and other have eitht ICs there. What's the difference >there? > > Anyone know of a site where I can find out more about these and the >commands to operate them? > > Joe >

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IBM Optical drives... A few questions

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Hi! I just got two IBM Optical drives, complete with drivers, controllers, operator's manual, and service manual. Now for the questions: -Are there updated drivers for these drives? The ones that cane with it run the driver as a DOS shell, which takes up a bunch of memory, and slows down the entire computer (also won't work with Windows). - Does anyone have an ISA controller card for one of these drives? Both controller cards I got are MCA, and I only have one MCA machine (The Model 80 runs OS/2, and I don't have OS/2 drivers), which is a P70. I have the external drive (I got an internal and an external) on there, and it works, but no way of testing the internal (I was going to use it on my Pentium). - Sometimes, when I put in a disk, and try to read it, I get a "General Failure" error. I take the disk out, put it back in, and it works. I think there was a discussion about this before. Do I just need to clean the disks? -The drives that I have are 3363's, and the disks I have are 3363 200MB Single Sided cartridges (IBM). Can I use other types of Optical disks, or do I have to use the IBM 3363 ones? Last question (for now...) I've heard (I think it was on this list) that the 3363 is a WORM drive. However, it allows you to delete files, but you don't get any added space when the file is deleted (as if the file is still there). If the file is actually gone, where did the empty space go, and is there any way to get it back? Or is the file still there, and it being 'deleted' is it just an optical illusion (no pun intended)? ThAnX, ///--->>> -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

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What's a "computer console" selectric called?

by go＠ao.com

Back in the days before "glass" consoles, computers often (if they had them) used typewriter devices as console input and output stations. Many minicomputers used Teletypes, but Control Data used (believe it or not) IBM Selectric typewriters. (You can bet THAT stuck in someone's craw...) This was the case on the "lower 3000" line (3150, 3200, 3300, 3500) and I believe it was the case on the sister line of "upper 3000" (3600, 3800) systems as well. On the 3300 system, the console typewriter was a "drop in" unit with a small number of cables connecting it to the system. It dropped into a well on the console operators station and sat in this well on little rubber feet. Think of a "modern" Selectric with the top of it's case only; the lower part of the case was omitted and surrounded by the "well" it sat in. For a "vintage-like" construction project, I'm trying to locate an example of this console device. It needs to be working (or repairable.) The choice of type font is unimportant at this point. I've considered picking up one of the inexpensive Selectric or Selectric-II typewriters (don't need no stupid correction mechanism) and "converting" it to operate as said console device. However, I helped a guy do this conversion once (many odd years ago) and it wasn't pretty then and doubt it would be pretty now. And the conversion didn't cover the "input" side of the equation at all. It was just a printer. Does anyone know where I can get a unit such as this? If any of you have such a thing, I would be interested in purchasing and/or trading. Contact me offline if you want to arrange a deal. If any of you have pointers to places selling these sort of things, please let me know. I've mined all my usual surplus haunts and have searched the net considerably but have yet to come up with anything "right." Thanks, Gary

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Bag O' Thinkpads Gone, thanks!

by af-list＠lafleur.wfi-inc.com

Wow, I sure didn't expect such a response for these! Several vigilant members of the list responded within a couple of minutes of the post, so they're gone. Thanks! Aaron

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Centronics 739 printer

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Amongst my collection is a Centronics 739 printer, which needs a new EPROM (the old one is corrupt). Needless to say, Centronics have no parts for a ~1980 printer, so does anyone here have one I could a get a dump of? Unfortunately, my collection of "useful ROM images" has only the 737 version (almost exactly the same, but without the graphics capability). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Bag O' Thinkpads available

by Bob.Yates＠amana.com

Interested, 72020 ZIP code about $10, depending on size and pickup location Bob bobyates(a)steward-net.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Bag O' Thinkpads available Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at NetTalk Date: 05/24/1999 4:07 PM Soon to be classic... I thought someone on this list might want this stuff. I was going through another dark corner of my office and, besides the occasional Grue, stumbled upon a bag of Thinkpad 720 systems. Or rather, the remains of them. What appears to be three or four systems, with most of their parts, in pieces. These were 486 DX2/50's, and you could probably come up with at least one 100% system from the bag. 10 or 15 lbs total, >from Southern Calfornia (91740 area code), if you want to figure out shipping. Let me know soon, I don't have time to mess with them and will toss them in a week or so. Cheers, Aaron

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Bag O' Thinkpads available

by af-list＠lafleur.wfi-inc.com

Soon to be classic... I thought someone on this list might want this stuff. I was going through another dark corner of my office and, besides the occasional Grue, stumbled upon a bag of Thinkpad 720 systems. Or rather, the remains of them. What appears to be three or four systems, with most of their parts, in pieces. These were 486 DX2/50's, and you could probably come up with at least one 100% system from the bag. 10 or 15 lbs total, >from Southern Calfornia (91740 area code), if you want to figure out shipping. Let me know soon, I don't have time to mess with them and will toss them in a week or so. Cheers, Aaron

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Space, the next frontier

by edick＠idcomm.com

No, but they do take up less space. Consequently, I've been pulling out the hard drives and the power supplies. The power supplies make a decent brick substitute and the drives have enough high quality scrap aluminum in them to pay for the XT and a cinder block. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Space, the next frontier >where you are, are cinder blocks cheaper than XTs? >

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Strange DEC heavyweight.

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>> And, of course, a zero millisecond seek time. >I thought there was a small time (<<1ms) for the read amplifier to settle >down after a head switch. In other words, the 'seek time' (really the >head switching time) was very small, but none-the-less measurable. True, but of no consequence as long as the head switching time is less than the time it takes to spin through the intersector gap. According to my RS03/04 docs, there's enough time to make such a switch between sectors. What I always found interesting about the RS-series drives were the write-protect switches. You can set six on/off switches to the binary number specifying the highest (of the total of 64) tracks that you want write-protected. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Space, the next frontier

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Usually. It depends on where you find them. XT's go for around $15 - cinder blocks go for about $1-$5. It depends on what you want. The ones I got were pick-and-choose from a demolition site. I had to chip off some chunks of cement and such, but I think it was worth it. ///--->>> -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Space, the next frontier >where you are, are cinder blocks cheaper than XTs? > >

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Strange DEC heavyweight.

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Well the RS11 with no suffix is just the controller but since yours has a >motor and a "W" serial number it sounds like one of the fixed head disks >for the RF11. I'm guessing that the tube would connect to the air >filtration system. I've not had much luck locating a picture for >comparison. I'll bet you any amount of money if you were to open it you >would find a single platter attached to that motor inside the housing >and a pair of read/write heads. ^^^^^^ *A* pair? It's a fixed head disk of 64 tracks, so I'd expect 64 such heads! RS03: 64 tracks, 64 sectors/track, 64 words (128 bytes) per sector. RS04: 64 tracks, 64 sectors/track, 128 words (256 bytes) per sector. An RS03 actually has 4 spare tracks and a timing track, while the RS04 has 8 spare tracks and a timing track, with (of course) a set of heads for each track. And, of course, a zero millisecond seek time. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Final Northstar Horizon Update (for now)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<RAM16 A3 board in the machine currently. Then I'll have 56k. Perhaps <then I'll be able to load and use CP/M 2.2. =-D CPM needs memory starting from 0000h. and dependinghow is was sysgend or move'd anywhere from 20k all the way up to E800h (base of the FDC). Currently the only version of CPM I have for the NS is V1.4 for the single density controller. When I went to CPM2.2 I used a different controller. The upside is there is burried on the WC CPM cdrom a few BIOSs for the NS* controller. Allison

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(fwd) COMMODORE (fwd)

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Heads Up...... Conteact the person directly by e-mail if interested. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: bobm(a)istal.com Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap Subject: COMMODORE Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:13:27 GMT I HAVE SEVEN BOXES OF COMMODORE COMPUTERS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS INCLUDING SEVERAL VIC 20'S, C-64, NEW 128, NEW DRIVES,NEW TAPE DRIVES DOZENS AND DOZENS OF BOOKS AND LOTS OF SOFTWARE. BEST OFFER PLUS SHIPPING DON'T BE BASHFUL, MAKE AN OFFER IF YOU WANT THIS STUFF. YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED. bobm(a)istal.com

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good excuse to run classic computers

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/21/99 1:49:05 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jim(a)calico.litterbox.com writes: > Here's a thought. > > If you've got classic computers you'd love to run but can't think of > anything > to DO with them, (and they speak unix) go to http://setiathome.ssi.berkeley. > edu > and make your computer's idle cycles part of the SETI search for > extraterrestrial life. They download you a chunk of data from the Arecebo > radio telescope and your computer spends its idle time running analysis on > that chunk, then sends the results back. I believe distributed.net has a similar premise where just about any computer could help crack some encryption algorithm. They had client software for many operating systems including my favourite, OS/2. Even xt based machines could help out by running dos based client software. david

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Strange DEC heavyweight.

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>How big (storage capacity) might this device provide. 512 kbytes for the RS03, 1024 kbytes for the RS04. >As for a picture, I shall look into providing same to the newsgroup. >I do not have a web page, so some other mechanism of image >distribution will be required. Doesn't everyone here have a mid-70's PDP11 Peripheral Handbook? They've all got a picture of the RS series drives (and RM, and RP, and RK, and RX, and ...) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Compupro computer questions

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.COM

> I picked up a Compupro 816 computer yesterday and an external drive unit >with a hard drive and an 8" floppy drive. I haven't brought it home yet so >I haven't taken more than a quick look at it. Can anyone tell be about the >computer and drive? What CPU, speed, etc. What kind of operating system it >uses, etc. If it's using the same CPU's it shipped with, it has a 8085A and a 8088A on a 85/88 CPU board. Speed is 2 or 5 MHz, depending on what the big red switch labeled "SPEED" on the CPU board is set at. Of course, it's a S-100 box, so just about anything could have been dropped in at either the factory (special-order), the Compupro dealer, or by the end user. Typically the system either ran CP/M-80, CP/M-86, or a special Compupro version that was basically CP/M-86 but would also run 8-bit executables on the 8085. There were many aftermarket CPU's available, some with 80286's on them and 8 MHz Z-80's, that were commonly dropped into Compupro chassis. > I don't see a keyboard or video connectors so I assume it needs >a terminal to talk to it. Very likely, yes. Most likely, it has a System Support 1 board with console serial port, clock, and interrupt controllers. But there are lots of other ways to set up a S-100 system. > Does any have a pinout of the serial port so I >can make a terminal cable. Look for a 25-pin cable from the System Support 1. It's plain old RS-232. Depending on which OS and version you run, and how it was generated, you might need to assert DTR. > What size is the hard and floppy drives You tell us :-). A Compupro 816 most likely shipped with a Qume Datatrack DSDD 8" floppy drive, a bit over a Megabyte, most likely hooked to a Disk 1 (or 1A or 1B or 1C) controller in the S-100 chassis. The hard drive is likely a MFM drive, anywhere between 5 and 30 Megabytes, hooked to a Disk 3. Again, just about anything was orderable/configurable. > does >the floppy drive use hard sectored disks, etc etc, etc. Almost certainly soft-sectored disks. > I noticed that >there are connectors for both a 5.25" and an 8" floppy drives and another >for a hard drive on the back of the CPU box. Does anyone have a manual or >the OS software for one of these? Sure. I bought out the last Canadian Compupro dealer while I was in Vancouver and have manuals, configuration software, etc. Let us know what's *in* your box and you'll get more details. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Strange DEC heavyweight.

by hhacker＠home.com

So interesting that you would suggest the results of "device surgery," as that is one of the options that I had considered. How big (storage capacity) might this device provide. As for a picture, I shall look into providing same to the newsgroup. I do not have a web page, so some other mechanism of image distribution will be required. William R. Buckley >Well the RS11 with no suffix is just the controller but since yours has a >motor and a "W" serial number it sounds like one of the fixed head disks >for the RF11. I'm guessing that the tube would connect to the air >filtration system. I've not had much luck locating a picture for >comparison. I'll bet you any amount of money if you were to open it you >would find a single platter attached to that motor inside the housing and a >pair of read/write heads. >--Chuck >

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FONT NAME question

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Anyone know the name of the font used in the old "d|i|g|i|t|a|l" logo? I'm trying to reconstruct it (I've found a couple of gif files but I'd really like line art) for reproduction. Compaq is squashing this logo fast so seeing it is getting harder and harder! --Chuck

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Space, the next frontier

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Because I had an excess amount of them I used Fujitsu 2333 8" hard drives in place of the building blocks when building board and block shelves. While they are heavier than concrete blocks they will not break. I have had concrete blocks collapse in the past. Paxton

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Strange DEC heavyweight.

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Well the RS11 with no suffix is just the controller but since yours has a motor and a "W" serial number it sounds like one of the fixed head disks for the RF11. I'm guessing that the tube would connect to the air filtration system. I've not had much luck locating a picture for comparison. I'll bet you any amount of money if you were to open it you would find a single platter attached to that motor inside the housing and a pair of read/write heads. --Chuck At 10:59 PM 5/23/99 -0700, you wrote: >I can not see how a suffix is missing, since the label is without >marks other than those used to emboss the "RS11" identification. > >As for this being a hard disk assembly, please tell me more. > >One other item of identification is that the gold top cover has a >pipe sticking out of it, which is curved and of diameter about 1.5", >and to tell you the truth, I thought this paperweight was some kind >of blower or air conditioning unit. Still, the weight of the unit lends >credence to the notion of it being some kind of DASD (to use IBM >parlance). > >William R. Buckley > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 8:51 PM >Subject: Re: Strange DEC heavyweight. > > >>This is where the Option/Module guide comes in handy. >> RS11 - probably a suffix missing (either B,C, or D and an optional >A) >>This is a HDA (hard disk assembly) for an RF11 drive which could have two >such >>drives installed. >> >>A complete RF11 consists of >> RF11 + RSO8-M + RS09-M (yours is the RS09-M) >> >>--Chuck >> >>At 08:25 PM 5/23/99 -0700, you wrote: >>> >>> I have a paperweight of rough dimension 20" by 20" by 6", having a base >with >>> a >> >> >> >

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Strange DEC heavyweight.

by hhacker＠home.com

I can not see how a suffix is missing, since the label is without marks other than those used to emboss the "RS11" identification. As for this being a hard disk assembly, please tell me more. One other item of identification is that the gold top cover has a pipe sticking out of it, which is curved and of diameter about 1.5", and to tell you the truth, I thought this paperweight was some kind of blower or air conditioning unit. Still, the weight of the unit lends credence to the notion of it being some kind of DASD (to use IBM parlance). William R. Buckley -----Original Message----- From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Strange DEC heavyweight. >This is where the Option/Module guide comes in handy. > RS11 - probably a suffix missing (either B,C, or D and an optional A) >This is a HDA (hard disk assembly) for an RF11 drive which could have two such >drives installed. > >A complete RF11 consists of > RF11 + RSO8-M + RS09-M (yours is the RS09-M) > >--Chuck > >At 08:25 PM 5/23/99 -0700, you wrote: >> >> I have a paperweight of rough dimension 20" by 20" by 6", having a base with >> a > > >

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Strange DEC heavyweight.

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

This is where the Option/Module guide comes in handy. RS11 - probably a suffix missing (either B,C, or D and an optional A) This is a HDA (hard disk assembly) for an RF11 drive which could have two such drives installed. A complete RF11 consists of RF11 + RSO8-M + RS09-M (yours is the RS09-M) --Chuck At 08:25 PM 5/23/99 -0700, you wrote: > > I have a paperweight of rough dimension 20" by 20" by 6", having a base with > a

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Strange DEC heavyweight.

by hhacker＠home.com

I have a paperweight of rough dimension 20" by 20" by 6", having a base with a flange to secure the paperweight to some other device, a motor about 6" in diameter protruding from the outside of the base, the base being about 2" thick, with a top cover about 5" thick. The base is grey metal, perhaps aluminum, while the top cover is gold in color. Now, this item has a layer of what appears to be a foam material which provides a seal between the base and top cover, and out of one side come five cables, four with ribbon cable and end connectors marked W033, and the fifth with a round cable and an unmarked connector. This device is a DEC product, having the appropriate lable, with the following information: RS11 WF6581 Please, can any of your tell me what this item is, and how it may be used. I can tell you that it weighs between 70 and 100 lbs, as judged by my own strength. William R. Buckley

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Peer-to-Peer under OS/2 Warp

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/23/99 2:50:23 PM US Eastern Standard Time, roblwill(a)usaor.net writes: > I'm trying to set up Peer-to-peer network among my classic computers. Most > of my computers run Dr-DOS 7.x with the network package, and the network > cards work in them. My problem is my server... It's a PS/2 Model 80, > running OS/2 Warp (3.0). How do I get peer-to peer to work under OS/2? > What software do I need? well, you should be running warp connect, which includes os2 peer on the mod80. if you dont have warp connect, something tells me there was tcp/ip for os2 version 2.1 that you could possibly get, but i'd need to research that. best thing is to post the question into one of the os2 groups on usenet. many people would be glad to offer help.

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Space, the next frontier

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I have my (fairly small - mostly standard desktops) collection housed in my basement. I have a fairly large drafting table (workbench), with cement blocks near the back (on top). I have 3/4" plywood shelves, 3 levels high. The first and second shelves are computers, and all the monitors are on top. They've been like that for tow or three years, now, with no problems. The only downside is that the cement blocks get to be pretty heavy. They're not bad for a garage, though, if you don't plan to be moving them. They're easy to find at demolition sites, too. I got mine for $1 a block. ///--->>> -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

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Northstar Horizon Update

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Check the quality of the decoupling capacitors on that board. A lot <of noise can be caused by low grade decoupling caps. If in doubt replace <them with speedy MKM-type 100n caps. Would not help the ram card. Could even make it worse as the power and ground gridding is part of the problem. <Putting the board in a slot near one of the terminators may also be <helpfull. < <Does this machine has active termination on the bus? Standard NS* horizon does not have any termination passive or active. Most work fine without it but I happen to have one that is a bit more stubborn. Though the NS* 64k dram installed works fine without termination on the bus most everything else wants it. Odd as I have another that never had termination! Allison

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Peer-to-Peer under OS/2 Warp

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I'm trying to set up Peer-to-peer network among my classic computers. Most of my computers run Dr-DOS 7.x with the network package, and the network cards work in them. My problem is my server... It's a PS/2 Model 80, running OS/2 Warp (3.0). How do I get peer-to peer to work under OS/2? What software do I need? ThAnX, ///--->>> -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

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CT1024, was VCF 3.0 ANNOUNCEMENT:

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>Common mod, mine has it too. < <Mine wasn't the most neat, ic's soldered on top of others, etc. Did it the same way, though I was somewhat careful in assemble so it was rugged. <I built the Bit Boffer from the March 1976 Byte. It was my second cassette <interface. The first was just a keyed tone, at about 110 baud. The third That was it. Never bilt one. I did KC standard using cpu cycles instead. <Were these the timing components for the 555 running at 15,840kHz? Pot. = <R38 and timing cap C16= 1nF? Were they out of tolerance for this frequency <or something else? My display was stable without 60Hz "sync" input and <moved around at about 1Hz with the input. Pot and cpu for the H osc, thouse could like it. The cap was garbage. Still have mine and it still works. Allison

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Peer-to-Peer under OS/2 Warp

by edick＠idcomm.com

The only time I EVER used OS/2 for any length of time, at a client's site, thank God, not my own, we used PCNFS, since half the stations in the place were using UNIX. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Jason (the General) <roblwill(a)usaor.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 2:02 PM Subject: Peer-to-Peer under OS/2 Warp >I'm trying to set up Peer-to-peer network among my classic computers. Most >of my computers run Dr-DOS 7.x with the network package, and the network >cards work in them. My problem is my server... It's a PS/2 Model 80, >running OS/2 Warp (3.0). How do I get peer-to peer to work under OS/2? >What software do I need? > >ThAnX, >///--->>> > -Jason Willgruber > (roblwill(a)usaor.net) > ICQ#: 1730318 ><http://members.tripod.com/general_1> >

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Tektronix 31 programmable calculator

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Upon the date 12:47 PM 5/23/99 -0700, Sellam Ismail said something like: >On Sat, 22 May 1999, Christian Fandt wrote: > >> Upon the date 10:22 PM 5/21/99 -0700, Sellam Ismail said something like: >> > >> >Does anyone (Philip?) have any general information on the Tektronix 31 >> >programmable calculator? >> >> Hi Sellam, I've got an Operating Manual, however, it's in French. Probably >> came out of Quebec Province I would figure. Need info from it? > >I'm hoping to find the manual where I found the calculator. If I turn it >up I'll be happy to make a copy for you. Thanks for the offer Sellam! It's been *years* since I learned French and it's rather hard to get thru. Make sure you keep tabs on the costs. Good luck in finding it. Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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Tektronix 31 programmable calculator

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Upon the date 10:22 PM 5/21/99 -0700, Sellam Ismail said something like: > >Does anyone (Philip?) have any general information on the Tektronix 31 >programmable calculator? Hi Sellam, I've got an Operating Manual, however, it's in French. Probably came out of Quebec Province I would figure. Need info from it? Actually, I'd like to swap it for an English one if any of the French-speaking folks in the world have an English TEK 31 manual. Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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Questions about VCF Computer Faire?

by siconic＠jasmine.psyber.com

I cannot access my e-mail currently but just wanted everyone to know if you have any questions about the VCF exhibit I will be answering them in a couple days so thanks for your patience. Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)verio.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Puttin' the smack down on the man! Coming this October 2-3: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0! See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details [Last web site update: 04/03/99]

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new Heathkit site.

by dogas＠leading.net

*evil*grin. I just spent a wopping $2.25 on advertising. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=107952117 :) - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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VCF 3.0 ANNOUNCEMENT: VINTAGE COMPUTER FAIRE!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<So I would be penalized for getting my SWTPC CT-1024 video terminal to wor <and enter it? First I changed the number of characters/ line from 32 to 64 Common mod, mine has it too. <Then I added a cassette "bit bopper" to it. I found the 60Hz line sync BIT boffer, Kilobaud. common enough and aimed at CT1024. The 60hz sync was a component problem and once the offending pot and cap were replaced I found it to be very stable. <didn't work right, so took it out. Lastly, I added some graphics display i <parallel to the characters. Now 20 or so years later, it doesn't seem to <work, and the "original" ic's are all soldered in. likely forgot how to turn it on. ;) Seriously, the VFC Vintage criteria if applied as it is to old cars a chopped and decked 49 Chevy is a valid entrant even if the engine is a later model. The key is it's not catagorized as stock/restored. Like Tim said, nont one member of LICA has a "pure" machine. Some part was non stock and often the reason was price or availability. I can't say how many Altair and IMSAIs with floppies from neither vendor were seen. If anything a pure machine was more the TRS80 era or later when a vendor would actually sell all the desired parts. Allison

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Homeworkers Needed !

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Upon the date 10:46 PM 5/22/99 -0700, Buck Savage said something like: >You must be talking about me. Yes William. I knew there were a few folks on the list who delighted in letting a spammer know they were not welcome here by tracing their often hidden ISP and, for example, getting their accounts canceled. Although the ISP Mindspring wasn't exactly hidden in this case. Regards, Chris -- -- > >William R. Buckley > >-----Original Message----- >From: Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)netsync.net> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 12:41 PM >Subject: Re: Homeworkers Needed ! > > >>Upon the date 07:32 AM 5/22/99 +0000, bretu213(a)mindspring.com said >>something like: >>>Dear Future Associate, >>> >>>You Can Work At Home & Set Your Own Hours. Start earning Big >>>Money in a short time >> -- snip drivel -- >> >>Sheesh. >> >>Okay you Spammer wreckers on ClassicCmp! >> >>Looks like you got more live meat to kill off! Sic 'em! >> -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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offer

by apolon＠triada.bg

Apolon Ltd. P.O. BOX 303, 9000 Varna, Bulgaria Tel: + 359-52-221168, Fax: +359-52-600034 e-mail: apolon(a)triada.bg Dear Sirs, My company had organize software group. I should like offer you to perform a contract with your company. If you wish to order me some software application task - I am ready to execute your commission. I am ready to make any your task and will give (send) you the made software applicationtion until you convince of the best completed. If you have some interest im my offer, please inform me. I await your conditions for jointly job. Thank you very much Best regards: Milko Harizanov President

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Tek 31 calculator

by russmiller＠jps.net

Sellam, I've got a manual which could be scanned - It has one of those plastic comb bindings (Acco?) which needs replacing anyway. I think it is original since the cover is the typical Tektronix type with the cutout window that shows the title page. I can make a copy, or possibly loan it to someone local (Sacramento|Bay Area) for scanning. I was planning to bring the calculator and manuals (operating+statistics) to VCF to look for an interesting trade. Russ >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:11:12 -0700 >From: "Rick Bensene" <rickb(a)pail.enginet.com> >I have an English operators manual. If anyone has questions about >operation of the machine, I'd be glad to look stuff up, but the format

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Homeworkers Needed !

by hhacker＠home.com

You must be talking about me. William R. Buckley -----Original Message----- From: Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)netsync.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Homeworkers Needed ! >Upon the date 07:32 AM 5/22/99 +0000, bretu213(a)mindspring.com said >something like: >>Dear Future Associate, >> >>You Can Work At Home & Set Your Own Hours. Start earning Big >>Money in a short time > -- snip drivel -- > >Sheesh. > >Okay you Spammer wreckers on ClassicCmp! > >Looks like you got more live meat to kill off! Sic 'em! > > >Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian >Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net >Member of Antique Wireless Association > URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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TCPIP via ethernet under DOS? (I know that is possible...but!)

by hhacker＠home.com

Here are my thoughts on your need: -----Original Message----- From: jpero(a)pop.cgocable.net <jpero(a)pop.cgocable.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 9:51 PM Subject: TCPIP via ethernet under DOS? (I know that is possible...but!) >What s/w is needed to do the ip polling to gather in ip numbers on >outset of connecting to cablemodem? The s/w should consist of an interrupt driven device driver for the NIC, with any interrupts providing for input servicing. Now, this device driver should also provide the transfer of processor control to the IP layer. So, my suggestion is that you start with the NIC software. Under DOS you should also be able to implement the IP stack by extraction >from LINIX, or some other UNIX variant. Sure, there is bound to be a lot of modification work that you will have to supply to the code you "steal" from LINIX but, since DOS is a pseudo-lookalike for UNIX, it should work easily. William R. Buckley

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new Heathkit site.

by dogas＠leading.net

Whew. I'm done (for now) with my new Heathkit site, version 3.0!!! http://millennial-concepts.com/dogas/heath.html 25 pictures and 7 documents in 9 pages and a few days. Please check it out and let me know what you think or can add. ;) - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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Free Apple ][s and Mac Pluses!

by Historical＠aol.com

Hi there, just thought I would pass this on. As of late last night, this person still had no takers. He has for free - if you pick up - the following: 25+ Apple II+ or IIe CPUs, 2 green screens, 3 color monitors, at least 10 5.25 drives, a couple of 3.5 drives, many A2 I/O cards, 2 or 3 IIc CPUs, monitors, and various accessories, a half-dozen Mac Plus/SE CPUs, 4 Mac II CPUs, a Mac IIci CPU, a B&W Mac monitor, 6 various modems, 4 or 5 Imagewriter printers, a couple of boxes of assorted cables, and several boxes of assorted Apple II and early Mac software. Location: Plainwell, MI 49080. Write: leblasmith(a)aol.com Best, David Greelish Classic Computing Press www.classiccomputing.com

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Northstar Horizon Update

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Note: BTW, I found a reference in the N* newsletters I have to the A2 <16k ram board being susceptible to noise on the bus. The A3 board, <which was available also as an upgrade to the A2, has alot better noise <immunity. That too! ;) I found the NS* I have was real cranky with a compupro Ram16, so for an experiment I pull the bus terminator from my CCS crate and all of a sudden all the crankyness is gone. This is something I never saw in my other NS* and the are identical save for mine was hand assembled by me and the one I'm working on is definately factory assembled. Allison

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VCF 3.0 ANNOUNCEMENT: VINTAGE COMPUTER FAIRE!

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> The judges can deduct points for any part of the computer that is > not original as built by the manufacturer, or as constructed at > assembly time for kits. Replacement parts must be indicated to > the judges by the competitor. New old stock parts will be > considered to be replacement parts with a lesser point > deduction. A reproduction can not receive full points in this > category. Interesting set of rules, with an interesting sense of "purity". In the real world, of course, someone who bought an IMSAI and populated it with only IMSAI peripherals was a fool. And it also leaves out the richness of computing that is (was) possible - take a look in the back of a late 70's BYTE and you'll see hundreds of manufacturers making a huge variety of S-100 boards. Yet any computers demonstrating this richness, so important in the early personal computing industry before the dominance of the PC-clone and the subsequent dull monotony of compatibles, lose points in this proposed judging scheme. Oh well, different strokes for different folks. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Northstar Horizon Update

by bill＠chipware.com

> Finally, it occured to me that I had flipped the chassis over to put > some new rubber feet on the bottom and wondered if I could have shifted > something, like a loose screw or nut. So I removed the motherboard and > looked underneath. LO and BEHOLD! A previous owner had replaced an > LS series chip and its socket and had not CUT OFF the excess leads on > the bottom of the board!!! When I shifted the machine, it pushed the > leads against the bottom of the chassis effectively grounding them! > > Once those were clipped and a piece of anti-static foam inserted beneath > the motherboard, the machine now talks to the terminal FAR more reliably > than before. Um... I thought that anti-static foam was conductive? Wouldn't that be bad? Maybe I'm wrong. Bill Sudbrink

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VCF 3.0 ANNOUNCEMENT: VINTAGE COMPUTER FAIRE!

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

At 01:14 AM 5/22/99 -0700, Sam wrote, > The judges can deduct points for any part of the computer that is > not original as built by the manufacturer, or as constructed at > assembly time for kits. Replacement parts must be indicated to > the judges by the competitor. New old stock parts will be > considered to be replacement parts with a lesser point > deduction. A reproduction can not receive full points in this > category. Any consumables do not have to be authentic. Any item > that has questionable authenticity or originalty needs to have > supporting documentation. > > So I would be penalized for getting my SWTPC CT-1024 video terminal to work and enter it? First I changed the number of characters/ line from 32 to 64. Then I added a cassette "bit bopper" to it. I found the 60Hz line sync didn't work right, so took it out. Lastly, I added some graphics display in parallel to the characters. Now 20 or so years later, it doesn't seem to work, and the "original" ic's are all soldered in. -Dave

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Northstar Horizon Update

by edick＠idcomm.com

Seems to me like last time I took one of the classes leading to "ESD Certification" the standard resistance for "primary packaging," which is what encloses and otherwise directly contacts the packaged items, was 1 MegOhm per inch. That is high enough resistance that you can't hurt yourself with inadvertent contact with the AC mains, yet low enough to dissipate static from the usual sources with little risk to the components. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Northstar Horizon Update >> > Um... I thought that anti-static foam was conductive? Wouldn't that >> > be bad? Maybe I'm wrong. > >[...] > >> yeah, I thought anti-static foam was made from carbon specifically so it would >> conduct static charges away. > >I've just taken a piece of such foam and stuck my ohmmeter probes in it, >about 0.1" apart. The resistance was about 5-10M. I don't think there's >much chance of that shorting out a TTL signal. > >-tony >

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Homeworkers Needed !

by bretu213＠mindspring.com

Dear Future Associate, You Can Work At Home & Set Your Own Hours. Start earning Big Money in a short time NO Newspaper Advertising! Your job will be to stuff and mail envelopes for our company. You will receive $.25 for each and every envelope you stuff and mail out. Just follow our simple instructions and you will be making money as easy as 1… 2… 3 For example stuff and mail 200 envelopes and you will receive $50.00. Stuff and mail 1000 and you will receive $250.00. Stuff and mail 2000 and you will receive $500.00 and more Never before has there been an easier way to make money from home! Our Company's Home Mailing Program is designed for people with little or no experience and provides simple, step by step instructions. There is no prior experience or special skills necessary on your part, Just stuffing envelopes. We need the help of honest and reliable home workers like you. Because we are overloaded with work and have more than our staff can handle. We have now expanded our mailing program and are expecting to reach millions more with our offers throughout the US and Canada. Our system of stuffing and mailing envelopes is very simple and easy to do! You will not be required to buy envelopes or postage stamps. We will gladly furnish all circulars at no cost to you. We assure you that as a participant in our program you will never have to mail anything objective or offensive. There are no quotas to meet, and there no contracts to sign. You can work as much, or as little as you want. Payment for each envelope you send out is Guaranteed! Here is what you will receive when you get your first Package. Inside you will find 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales letters ready to stuff and mail As soon as you are done with stuffing and mailing these first letters, your payment will arrive shortly, thereafter. All you have to do is to order more free supplies and stuff and mail more envelopes to make more money. Our sales literature which you will be stuffing and mailing will contain information outlining our highly informative manuals that we are advertising nationwide. As a free gift you will receive a special manual valued at $24.95, absolutely free, just for joining our Home Mailers Program. Plus you will get your own special code number, so that we will know how much you are to get paid. And to make re-ordering of more envelopes, that our company supplies very simple for you. We are giving you this free bonus because we want you to be confident in our company and to ensure that we will be doing business with you for a long time. Benefits Of This Job: 1. You do not have to quit your present job, to earn more money at home 2. You can make between $2,500 to $4,500 a month depending on the amount of time you are willing to spend stuffing and mailing envelopes 3. This is a great opportunity for the students, mothers, disabled persons or those who are home bodies. To secure your position and to show us that you are serious about earning extra income at home we require a one-time registration fee of $35.00. This fee covers the cost of your initial start up package, which includes 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales letters and a manual, your registration fee will be refunded back to you shortly thereafter. Money Back Guarantee! We guarantee that as soon as you stuff and mail your first 300 envelopes You will be paid $75.00 and your registration fee will be refunded. Many of you wonder why it is necessary to pay a deposit to get a job. It is because we are looking for people that seriously want to work from home. * If 3.000 people told us they wanted to start working from home and we sent out 3.000 packages free to every one. And then half of the people decided not to work, this would be a potential loss of more than $60,000 in supply's and shipping that we have sent out to people that don't want to work We have instituted this policy to make sure that you really want to work and at least finish your first package. To Get Started Today Please Enclose Your Registration Fee of $35 Check,Cash Or Money Order and fill out the application below and mail to: AHWA CO 425 S Fairfax Blvd., STE 306 Los Angeles, CA 90036 Name_____________________________________________________ Address___________________________________________________ City____________________________________ State______________ Zip Code________________ Telephone Number(s)_________________________________________ E-mail Address______________________________________________ For all orders, please allow seven (7) days for delivery and up to 10 days. Cash and Money Orders will result in faster shipping of your package.

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