>I can grab a big Compro (model:?) computer that the junk guys says is a
>S100 computer. it includes two 8" drives.
>
>Anyone know anything about this box?
I'm willing to bet they mean Compupro. Yes, they made a multitude of S-100
systems. One of the most common was their 8085/8088 combo system, as
displayed with 8" drives in the Smithsonian.
Compupro is a well-respected S-100/IEEE-696 manufacturer
--
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Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
Sam,
The 100xx errors returned by WinSock are generally the Berkeley errno
values with 10000 added to them. This one has no Berkeley equivalent. The
information I have on it is:
The WinSock implementation cannot function at this time because the
underlaying system it uses to provide network services is currently
unavailable.
o Check that WINSOCK.DLL is in the current path.
o Check that WINSOCK.DLL is from the same vendor as the underlaying
protocol stack.
o Check that all WinSock components are installed and configured.
Not much I know but maybe it will be of some help.
Regards,
Bob
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On Tuesday, June 22, 1999 1:15 AM, Sellam Ismail
[SMTP:dastar@ncal.verio.com] wrote:
>
> I would normally not post such a lame question to this list but I need
> help desparately and don't have time to go wading through a haystack for
a
> needle. Its bad enough I have to keep re-visiting this problem of
windows
> deciding to kill itself every few months for the joy of it.
>
> My IP stack is hosed on my Win95 machine. When I try to ping any host I
> get "Transmit failed, error code 10091". If I try to run WINIPCFG I get
> "Fatal error: cannot read IP configuration".
>
> Since MS is fucked and doesn't have any sort of technical documentation
> anywhere useful that would list these errors I must now try to go
> searching for what this bullshit means. Unless you already have the
> answer?
>
> This started to happen after I had to re-install windows over the
existing
> install, because it all of a sudden started coming up with a "Windows
> exception" during boot and would not boot any further.
>
> TIA.
>
> Sellam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
>
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> Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out.
>
> Coming this October 2-3: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0!
> See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
> [Last web site update: 05/25/99]
>
Just wanted to let everyone know in case they ever have to deal with this
obnoxious bug that I found the solution on MS's support website. I did a
search on the error code and got back two articles, the first of which
detailed a procedure for fixing the problem, which had something to do
with WinSock 2.0. I guess the lesson to be learned here is that, to their
credit, what MS lacks in obvious documentation they make up for on their
website at least.
Sorry for the off-topic crap.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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I'm virtually apoplectic about this garbage that some of you may watched
tonight on TV (I certainly did NOT watch it).
If the facts and how they are perceived in the public's mind weren't
already distorted enough, this show totally trivializes the recent history
of computing. They would not do this with the Holocaust or Vietnam, so
how dare they create such a blatantly falsified story?
It will take years to undo the misconceptions and outright falsehoods this
show has promoted.
I'm truly outraged.
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According to "Dealers of Lightning - Xerox PARC and the Dawn of the Computer Age" it was the Alto.
Bob
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On Sunday, June 20, 1999 10:14 PM, Glenatacme(a)aol.com [SMTP:Glenatacme@aol.com] wrote:
> In a message dated 6/20/99 10:06:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> rcini(a)email.msn.com writes:
>
> > I just finished watching "Pirates of Silicon Valley" on TNT, an
> > interesting interpretation of the dynamics between Apple and Microsoft from
> > 1975 to 1997.
> >
> > Here's the question -- what was the name of the computer at Xerox that
> > Steve Jobs "modeled" the Lisa/Mac after? Was it the Alto or the Star?
>
> Definitely it was the Star. My ex worked at Xerox from '85 through '87.
> Some details in "Pirates" were, um, a little "inaccurate," but they got one
> thing right -- there were a lot of really pissed off people at Xerox when the
> Apple GUI hit the streets.
>
> Glen Goodwin
> 0/0
I'm watching Pirates of Silicon Valley on TNT right now (yes, I'm so lame
I have my computer in front of the television) and Bill Gates is working
on a box... the dialogue infers that it is supposed to by an Altair,
but it's just a big box with four blinking lights (alternates - 2 red,
2 green) and reading paper tape.... next scene he's working on a PDP-8/?
(I I think, but I'm not up on my PDPs... not so much working on it as
having the machine open on his table... no soldering iron, manuals,
cards... I could have made the scene a lot better with the stuff in my
basement...)
Oh well.
Kevin
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<Yes, you're right. The same Signetics data book lists the 74LS367 as
<having a typical propagation delay of 10ns. Incidentally, if I claimed
<8us for the 8T97, that was a typo, I meant 8ns, of course.
<
<Anyway, the 74F367 (I looked in the Philips databook) claims a typical
<delay of 5ns, so that should easily replace the 8T97 (provided decoupling
<an layout is OK - these FAST chips like to cause ground-bounce, etc).
At that time the difference of 2-4nS was insignificant relative to CPU
timing and memory timing. At the time the 8t97 was vogue memories were
fast at 250nS and typically 450ns was the norm for Eproms. I freely
swapped 8t97s with '367s based on availability. Also as time wore on the
8t97 would disappear and the '367 would get faster. Moot point in general
then.
Allison
<$14.95". I looked through all the 1979 BYTEs and I saw the board for sale
<but I didn't see a $99 original ELF kit. The Super ELF kit was $106.95. My
<only Quest catalog is for 1982 and I didn't see the board or the kit in it
Wrong mag... should have been looking in Popular Electonics, maybe Kbaud.
One of the truths of the late 70s and early 80s was BYTE was only one of
the hourde!
Allison
--- Doug Coward <dcoward(a)pressstart.com> wrote:
> Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> said:
> >I have a Quest Elf that I built from a kit as a kid...
> OK, I stand corrected. I know you and I talked about this before.
Right.
> But I never could find an advertisement for the Quest ELF. But with a date,
> I finally found it. The print in their ad is so small I could read this ad
> 20 times and not see this one little line that says "original ELF kit board
> $14.95".
Maybe that was the price. It's been so long, I forget. I remember that I
could afford it and not a full-blown Elf II or whatever was common by then.
> I looked through all the 1979 BYTEs and I saw the board for sale
> but I didn't see a $99 original ELF kit.
That came later, I think. Try around 1980 or 1981.
> The Super ELF kit was $106.95. My only Quest catalog is for 1982 and
> I didn't see the board or the kit in it.
I think it was gone by then. By 1982, I had a C-64 (w/1540!) I was getting
paid to program.
> But I'll look again tonight. And I'll dig out BYTE for 80 and 81.
Good place to look. I have a crate of those, too. Some did not survive
a basement flood at my mother's place. :-(
> How's the ELF99 coming?
No progress lately. I got stumped at the layout phase and have had zero
time to devote to it in the past six months. I've been working on my
farm when I'm not pushing bits to pay for the farm. I have some I/O chips
and other parts, a schematic captured in OrCAD and no idea how to get a valid
netlist from OrCAD Capture into OrCAD layout. I can do the tutorials from the
rat's-nests, but I can't get my schematics (even a 2-chip TTL test) to
generate a file that will give me part silhouettes and a rat's-nest.
> allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) said:
> > Quest Electornics, ELF as per the PE article. I have one.
>
> Was your ELF a full kit or just a bare board when you bought it?
I just bought the bare board. I may have mis-remembered the price. I
know I got the CPU chip and 1822 RAMs from Hughes-Peters here in Columbus. I
also got the RCA VIP docs from them, too, when a friend cleaned out his file
cabinet.
> And I guess this is as good a time as any to ask if anyone has a
> booklet called "Programs for the COSMAC ELF: GRAPHICS" by Paul C.
> Moews. I have the other two ": INTERPRETERS" and ": MUSIC and GAMES"
> that I can copy for a copy of ": GRAPHICS".
Never seen it, sorry.
-ethan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cameron Kaiser <ckaiser(a)oa.ptloma.edu>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Montag, 21. Juni 1999 16:04
Subject: Re: GridPad 1910 sales?
>::Hi. A while back I was talking with Rodger on the list about the
>::(appearant) abundance of GridPad 1910's that he was selling.... did th
>::message t osend money float by me, or are we all still in waiting? And
>::come to think of it, I haven't seen any messages from Rodger recently...
>
>Nor I. I sent him a couple of "anyone home?" mails which didn't bounce, but
>I hadn't heard any reply, either.
>
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>
I picked up some cards that say "Dual Port RAM" that have a number of these
ICs on them. They all have 1979 and 1980 date codes on them and the
letters SA or SB. Anyone know what they are? I can't find them in any of
my IC references.
Joe
Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> said:
>I have a Quest Elf that I built from a kit as a kid. It was the Popular
>Science design, pre-1861 video chip. It has a speaker, a Q LED, 8 toggle
>switches for data, DMA/EF4 pushbutton, RUN/LOAD/MEMPROT toggles and the
>original TIL311 latching hex displays. My PCB is rev 2.1, 1979. I bought
>just the PCB and assembly plans for $35 around 1980. The entire kit was
>available for $99.
OK, I stand corrected. I know you and I talked about this before. But I
never could find an advertisement for the Quest ELF. But with a date,
I finally found it. The print in their ad is so small I could read this ad
20 times and not see this one little line that says "original ELF kit board
$14.95". I looked through all the 1979 BYTEs and I saw the board for sale
but I didn't see a $99 original ELF kit. The Super ELF kit was $106.95. My
only Quest catalog is for 1982 and I didn't see the board or the kit in it.
But I'll look again tonight. And I'll dig out BYTE for 80 and 81.
How's the ELF99 coming?
allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) said:
> Quest Electornics, ELF as per the PE article. I have one.
Was your ELF a full kit or just a bare board when you bought it?
And I guess this is as good a time as any to ask if anyone has a
booklet called "Programs for the COSMAC ELF: GRAPHICS" by Paul C.
Moews. I have the other two ": INTERPRETERS" and ": MUSIC and GAMES"
that I can copy for a copy of ": GRAPHICS".
Thanks,
--Doug
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Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com (work)
Sr Software Engineer mranalog(a)home.com (home)
Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com
Sunnyvale,CA
Visit the new Analog Computer Museum and History Center
at http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog
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I have a MITS HDC enclosure which has surfaced after some time in "the heap" which has all the original markings, and paint, along with 20+ years' scuffs and scrapes, but which has no controller electronics, nor do I believe it ever had any. This baby has a multi-slot 100-pin (not S-100) bacplane and a (+5, +12 ?) linear power supply inside. No connector panel and no cover for the cardcage. It might make a nice enclosure for a bridge controller + drive combo.
Any offers?
Dick
The last I heard from Roger he said it was going to be a while before he was ready. I haven't seen anything else.
Bob
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On Monday, June 21, 1999 4:37 PM, Tim Hotze [SMTP:review@RyansPC.ryanspc.com] wrote:
> Hi. A while back I was talking with Rodger on the list about the
> (appearant) abundance of GridPad 1910's that he was selling.... did th
> message t osend money float by me, or are we all still in waiting? And
> come to think of it, I haven't seen any messages from Rodger recently...
>
> thanks
>
> Tim
>
Hello, all:
I decided to fiddle around with my Mac Portable again, after a few
months of it sitting in a closet. My unit, non-backlit, has a row or two of
bad pixels. If anyone has a non-working Portable with a good screen, let me
know.
Thanks.
[ Rich Cini/WUGNET
[ ClubWin!/CW7
[ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
[ Collector of "classic" computers
[ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
[ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/
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I just got a box of doc's today in the mail, and I'm totally fascinated by
two of them. They're nicely done copies!?!? They have semi-heavy cream
coloured covers with the actual cover xeroxed onto them, and the pages are
xeroxes, but the right size. They're bound with the spiral plastic things.
Does anyone know what the story is with these? Are these copies that DEC
made, or did a 3rd party go to this much trouble?
I do have one copy of "Introduction to Programming" that is spiral bound,
but it was printed and bound that way. These are most definitly xeroxes.
Way Cool!
Zane
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In Pirates of Silicon Valley last night (let's not get into the movie
please), they trundled by an Apple Lisa 1 on a cart.
Where the heck did they get a Lisa 1? They're rare as hen's teeth! They
certainly didn't get it from Apple, given the movie's treatment of Steve
Jobs (let's not get into the movie please...)
Has anyone actually seen a Lisa 1 in person, or knows anyone who has one?
Kai
Pays to stay away from the tip shops for a while :-)
Today I got:
Three Dick Smith VZ200's plus tape drives, joysticks, manuals & a bit of
software, another CBM 1571 & a 1541-II, a CBM 1802 monitor, a CBM 1701
amber monitor (been looking for one of these & something I've been
looking for, an Apple //c (it even works!), although the case is rather
shabby. As well as the usual collection of books, tapes & disks for the
64......
cheers,
Lance
Hi,
Some time ago, I thought I read that someone on this list has a list of DEC
part numbers (and presumably what each part number is for). If anyone does,
can they please contact me? I want to know which DEC computers would be
compatible with some 80-pin 4MB SIMMs that I have. (The SIMMs have this on the
PCB: 5019144-01 A1P2)
-- Mark
Well, in a somewhat anti-climatic moment I hooked up the ASR-33 to my
PDP-8/e, switched on the 8/e, then switched on the tty to "line" and got
the expected idle hum. I keyed in the "simple test" that is in the
maintenence book which simply echos the keyboard to the printer, and that
worked, and then keyed in the "real" test which was to take the character
and add 1 to it and then echo it. (A DEC engineer explained to me that this
test actually proved the character typed went through the ALU versus a
M8650 with a short that just connected tx to rx). Everything worked as
expected. Now to get my paper tapes to run through it and boot Focal or
PAL8 the old fashioned way.
--Chuck
Hmm, no, the picture of the Lisa on their web site is a Lisa 2.
Kai
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence LeMay [mailto:lemay@cs.umn.edu]
Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 2:04 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: Where the heck did they get the Lisa 1?
They got it from The Computer Museum of America. I was just at their web
site today, and saw all sorts of references to the movie, plus I recall
that they said the Apple I they have at the museum is actually just
a mockup that was made for the movie.
http://www.computer-museum.org/
-Lawrence LeMay
> In Pirates of Silicon Valley last night (let's not get into the movie
> please), they trundled by an Apple Lisa 1 on a cart.
>
> Where the heck did they get a Lisa 1? They're rare as hen's teeth! They
> certainly didn't get it from Apple, given the movie's treatment of Steve
> Jobs (let's not get into the movie please...)
>
> Has anyone actually seen a Lisa 1 in person, or knows anyone who has one?
>
> Kai
>
On Jun 21, 17:53, Philip.Belben(a)pgen.com wrote:
> I too like the PET.
> But I don't like the 8032SK or its 8296 descendant.
I agree with that. Actually, I didn't like any of the big-screen PETs.
Out of proportion to my eyes.
> Lots of people sing the praise of the SGI Personal Iris descendant that
looks
> like two blue plastic wedges that don't quite make a cuboid when placed
> together. But I thought that was naff, as we say over here.
That's an Indy workstation.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
> Has anyone ever put together a list of handsomely designed computers?
> Not great runners, not powerful, but just aesthetically pleasing? My
> impression is that there probably are not all that many, and that the
> first machines to exclude from such a list are the iMac grotesques.
I have seen some of the replies to this, and rather than join in the argument,
I'll just make some suggestions.
I too like the PET.
But I don't like the 8032SK or its 8296 descendant. (I always maintained that
SK stood for Silly Kasing). Yes, it's not bad to look at, and was one of the
first curvy machines, but the keyboard plug that always falls out at the worst
moment spoils it totally for me.
Lots of people sing the praise of the SGI Personal Iris descendant that looks
like two blue plastic wedges that don't quite make a cuboid when placed
together. But I thought that was naff, as we say over here.
We had some machines (PC clones) at work a few years ago which were square with
one corner cut off. You put them in the corner of one of those desks with
curved fronts, with the cut-off corner towards you, and find that the latter has
floppy drives etc. in it. But I can't remember the manufacturer. I thought it
was a nice (visual) design, but boring machines.
Philip.
PS I like the original Mac better (visually) than any subsequent Mac)
Getting into work after the weekend, I find that Kai has been compiling a little
list...
> Here's the first draft at a list of the Top 150 Collectible Microcomputers
> (from the U.S.A.). I would have gone for Top 100 but there are just too
> many great machines, and 200 is too many.
>
> It's currently at 133 items. Some related models are combined as one, even
> though they are rather different... other similar models are kept separate.
> This is basically just because I personally feel they rate their own
> separate listing, feel free to disagree.
>
> Please add items! Items on the list should meet the following categories:
>
> 1) Collectible Microcomputer (yes, I know the H-11 is on here as an
> "honorary" micro)
> 3) Sold in the USA
> 4) Available from a manufacturer (not just plans in a magazine)
Why criterion 3? (What was 2, by the way?)
If you want "from the USA" wouldn't it be better to specify designed and/or
manufactured there? To use your analogy from another post, you would define the
top Italian sports cars as designed/built in Italy, not just those sold there.
My view is that the US is so dominant in microcomputers, that your restriction
excludes interesting machines without a significant reduction in the quantity of
entrants...
***************************************
Still, I have a few to add:
Tektronix 4051. Not many around. First micro to be designed starting with
graphics and then going on to processor.
(since I like the 4050 series, I might put the 4054A on a list of top
non-micros...)
IBM 6150. This was the RT-PC. IBM's first RISC box; IBM's first Workstation;
and (to make sure it qualifies) it was sold under a variety of names, including
"6150 Microcomputer"
Vectrex. A home computer with vector graphics. May not be a wonderful design,
but funnnnnn concept!
I think someone has already mentioned the Victor (we called it the Sirius, but
that's another matter)
***************************************
I also would like to condense the list in places.
Tandy model 4P should be on the same line as model 3/4, especially if you put
all 3 Coco machines on a single line.
Do you need quite that many Apple IIs?
***************************************
After this it's minor quibbles:
You commented elsewhere that the PET 4032/8032 was in as "PET gets a sensible
keyboard and goes for business" or words to that effect. This happened with the
2001-8B (-16B and -32B) and their renumbered equivalents, 3008, 3016, 3032. I'd
put the PET 2001-8 on one line; 2001-B, -N and -K, 3000, 4000 on the next and
8032, 8096, 8296 on a third - the 80 column PETs.
HP85 - how about the 86 or 87? Or the 75? Or even the 71? Why that one and no
other?
Still, it's an interesting list. Keep up the good work!
Philip.
I just picked up an Anderson Jacobson (Model: AJ1235) acoustic/direct
coupled modem. Anyone have any information on this?
QUESTION #1:
The front panel has a slide switch that is labled "Disconnect" and has ON
and OFF positions.
There is also a momentary push button labled "connect".
Now, I assume that the "Disconnect" switch is to pick-up and release the
phone line when the direct coupled plugs are used but, what does the
"Connect" button do?
QUESTION #2:
There is a 300/1200 baud switch. all of the acoustic modems I have ever
used only ran at 300 or slower. Can you run 1200 baud over an acoustic
coupled modem?
QUESTION #3:
The place I bought this at has a few more. Anyone interested?
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I'm looking for a MAS-20 hard drive for the Amiga made by Microbotics.
Does anyone have one they'd like to sell or trade?
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A possible rescue, of what sounds like an interestingly outfitted system,
especially if you are into video.
Replies to the original poster please...
-jim
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From: cdknet(a)my-deja.com
Reply-To: larry(a)nobots_cdknet.com.UUCP
To: Info-PDP11(a)transarc.com
Subject: PDP 11/23 System to go (Long Island, NY)
I have an 11/23 system that needs a new home. It is actually a complete
IMAGES system as sold by CGL,Inc. way back in the the early eighties.
It runs a legit flavor of UNIX off an RL02 diskpack. The bundle consists
of three wheel-around racks and a few loose items. Rack #1 is the CPU
and two mounted RL02 drives. Rack #2 contains (3) Genisco frame buffers
and power supplies. Rack #3 contains a video patch panel, sync
generator, RGB->NTSC video encoder, NTSC->RGB video decoder and a video
digitizer.
In addition, there is a VT100 terminal, a large graphics tablet, a third
unmounted RL02 drive and a cabinet rack with over a dozen RL02
diskpacks.
At this time I would prefer to unload the system as a package rather
than break out individual components.
Interested parties must be prepared to move system. I will not ship.
For more information please reply via email by removing the letters
"nobots_" from this address: larry(a)nobots_cdknet.com
-larry
<Has anyone ever put together a list of handsomely designed computers?
<Not great runners, not powerful, but just aesthetically pleasing? My
<impression is that there probably are not all that many, and that the
<first machines to exclude from such a list are the iMac grotesques.
Hummm. Well I think form and function are related.
My thoughts would suggest...
NorthStar* Horizon (wood cover) as a simple but pleasing to the eye design.
Kaypro Toteables, very functional and simple.
DEC BA123 based machines for simple styling and good mechanical/thermal
engineering.
Epson PX-8 laptop. small package for its time but not industrial looking.
TRS80, TI99, Commodore C64/C128 for evolving the wedge design to the limit.
Others, PDP-10 (KA10), PDP12
Allison
HI,
-----Original Message-----
From: Ram Meenakshisundaram <rmeenaks(a)olf.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: id this transputer tram
>Tony Duell wrote:
>
>> I don't know this one - my experience of transputers is restricted to
>> genuine INMOS TRAMs and homebrew boards. Of course a 50 pin IDC could be
>> a number of things...
>>
>> My first question is what chips are on the board (on both sides...) Any
>> large chips apart from the T8?
>
>I was mistaken it is a T225 chip and apparently it might be a SCSI Tram.
>However, I don't see any NCR scsi chip or any other chip that might be SCSI
>related. The only other chip I see is a chip from Logic. I wonder if that
>is the SCSI controller.
If that is a "LOGIC" it could be a scsi controller. Logic made a 5380
compatible/and better controller to the ncr5380. You should see the number
somewhere on this chip "5380" or similar.
have fun,
emanuel
Kai's original Top 150 list had the AT&T Unix PC 7300 on it.
I passed one of these up in a junkyard a few months ago. It looked a bit too
much like a terminal and I didn't know anything about it.
Did I do wrong?
My decision was a little swayed by the fact that I powered it up without
looking and something went bang. It was then that I saw the 110v sticker on
the bottom. We have 240v around here!
>Apple Macintosh 512K Through SE
>Apple Macintosh Portable
>AT&T Unix PC / 3B2 / 7300
>Atari 400
>Atari 800
Greetings to all,
I was wondering does anybody have a keyboard to fit either of these
computers (a Sanyo MBC 555 or a IBM 5150 XT) and would like to sell it?
Robert Patton II
Lakewood, WA
Today, I found a mint Epson HX-20 at the MIT hamfest. All the
original packaging and manuals, and only $15. It doesn't have a tape
drive or expansion module, but it's cool nonetheless.
Anyone know where to find software or monitor documentation for this
thing?
--
Brad Ackerman N1MNB "...faced with the men and women who bring home
bsa3(a)cornell.edu the pork, voters almost always re-elect them."
http://skaro.pair.com/ -- _The Economist_, 31 Oct 1998
In a message dated 6/20/99 10:32:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com writes:
> The computers built by PARC were:
> ALTO - this was a prototype microcode loadable machine
> with CDC disk pack attached. Generally credited to
> be the machine that was running the software that
> inspired the Mac and later windows (Charles went to
> work for Microsoft from PARC)
> ALTO II - Was Xeroxes attempt to manufacture the Alto as a
> product. (they weren't very successful)
> DANDELION - Officialy the Xerox 8010 Workstation. Which ran
> a set of applications called "Star" or "The Star
> Document Processing System"
> DORADO - ECL version of the "D-machine" architecture that
> was the machine that ran Smalltalk really quickly.
>
> Both the Alto and the Dandelion also ran XDE (called "tahoe") which was the
> "Xerox Development Environment" and it ran on top of an operating system
> called "Pilot".
>
> This first-hand from the Network Services Architect for the Office Systems
> Business Unit in Palo Alto, who also happens to be my wife of nearly 16
> years.
Well, maybe my ex was wrong . . . again . . . ;>)
Glen Goodwin
0/0
In a message dated 6/20/99 10:06:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rcini(a)email.msn.com writes:
> I just finished watching "Pirates of Silicon Valley" on TNT, an
> interesting interpretation of the dynamics between Apple and Microsoft from
> 1975 to 1997.
>
> Here's the question -- what was the name of the computer at Xerox that
> Steve Jobs "modeled" the Lisa/Mac after? Was it the Alto or the Star?
Definitely it was the Star. My ex worked at Xerox from '85 through '87.
Some details in "Pirates" were, um, a little "inaccurate," but they got one
thing right -- there were a lot of really pissed off people at Xerox when the
Apple GUI hit the streets.
Glen Goodwin
0/0
Hello, all:
I just finished watching "Pirates of Silicon Valley" on TNT, an
interesting interpretation of the dynamics between Apple and Microsoft from
1975 to 1997.
Here's the question -- what was the name of the computer at Xerox that
Steve Jobs "modeled" the Lisa/Mac after? Was it the Alto or the Star?
[ Rich Cini/WUGNET
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Hmmm, now this doesn't look particularly good.
I manually pushed the carriage to the right and it worked. (ie the pawl
re-engaged.) Then I typed for a while and then it stopped spacing in the
middle of the page. Manually push it one character space and it works again.
By observing the mechanism, I can see that there is one position of the
spacing ratchet that doesn't seem to allow for spacing. It could be a
broken tooth but I can't tell from looking at it from the side. Another
interesting tidbit is that when I hit "return" the carraige _stops_ at that
tooth, even if this means stopping mid page!
Now a damaged tooth could be used to explain the first behavior but not the
second I don't believe. The cardboard/spacer thing is still in there and it
doesn't seem to harm anything so I still can't tell if it is supposed to be
there or not.
I have a complete (but dirty) typing unit available as an organ donor if I
can deduce the cause of the trouble.
--Chuck
Spacing Ratchet shown on page 75, part number is 181077 for the gear at the
bottom of the spacing ratchet, it apparently attaches with two bolts, the
carraige stops when the feed pawl is lined up with one of the two bolt
heads on the top.
Hi Kevin,
At 17:52 19/06/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I got a few fun bits from the Milford Amateur Radio Club Hamfest today...
>Kevin
I have a question for you and the other EU subscriber (in future hopefully
will ask the same to U.S. subscriber):
What is the Bigger/Better HAMFEST relating to RETROCOMPUTING swap/trade in
your country?
Here in Italy I think is in PORDENONE (30/04 -> 02/05)
Is Friedrichshafen the biggest HAMFEST in Germany (or even the biggest in EU?)?
And what about France, England, Portugal, etc.?
I'm tryng to organize a "RETRO-EXPEDITION" from Italy to Friedrichshafen,
and would like to receive infos on this and other EU Hamfest.
Thanks .
Riccardo Romagnoli
<chemif(a)mbox.queen.it>
I-47100 Forl?
I'd spotted the rack Jim mentioned yesterday in my wanderings before he
posted about it here, and today I decided to go pick it up. Good thing I
did, as I was out in front of the store, pulling the drives out of it so it
would be easier to handle, I got to talking to this old guy. We got to
talking about old computers, and it turned out he had a card reader he
didn't want/need any more.
So I went over and picked it up. It's a nice small unit, that can easily
sit on top of a desk. The only problem is I'm not sure how to interface it
to anything. It was made by "Peripheral Dynamics Inc", and is a Model C302
manufactured in May of 1972.
I think you're supposed to interface it by plugging some sort of card into
a connector in the back of it. Unfortuantly he didn't know where the
manual is, or if he still has it. Does anyone know how to hook one of
these up to anything? Ideally I'd like to be able to attach it to a Unibus
system or a PC.
Zane
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I have available for the C64:
Micro Subtraction (Hayden) (Disk only)
Kids on Keys (Spinnaker)
10 Little Robots (no disk -- box & instr only)
Anyone want then for shipping and a couple of bucks?
P Manney
"...We must all give an account of ourselves to God."
Thousands of discounted photo items at http://www.hmcltd.net/pgphoto
Hello everyone, I'm bringing back to life a "LT33" (aka a DEC modified
ASR-33 teletype) and out of the gate I've got an issue.
When I switch on, into "local" mode, I get continuous "nul" typing. The
mechanism is doing the typing dance and its trying to type NUL. Where to
start? I've got the prints and am going to check out the keyboard area for
now, perhaps it has a clue.
I'm guessing it is either stuck in 'here is' mode, the keyboard is sending
infinite nuls, or something else :-)
--Chuck
From: "Merle K. Peirce" <at258(a)osfn.org>
<<My impression is that there probably are not all that many, and that the
first machines to exclude from such a list are the iMac grotesques. I would
offer just a very few for initial consideration:
Epson QX-10
Apricot
Honeywell DPS-6
Olivetti ETV-300
IBM PS/2 towers>>
These machines were all attractive computers and I like your idea about
discussing boxes just on good looks, but what's with this "grotesque" stuff
in reference to the iMac? I happen to think they look rather nice. Have you
ever seen a Lear Siegler ADM 5 terminal? I have one and it's cool. The iMac
looks a lot like it in terms of curves. Just because you don't particularly
like something doesn't mean it has to be "grotesque" or "gross" or some other
childish adjective. Best,
David Greelish
Classic Computing Press
www.classiccomputing.com
>> And don't forget the HP 200 LX with the Nokia cell phone that Simon used
>> in The Saint.
>That movie was horribly forgettable. I must've tuned it out at the point
>where he pulled this out.
I laughed all the way through the movie. The cold fusion secret tucked
into her underwear? Her cold fusion speech? Hilarious! And what's-his-name
doing the German guy? I was rolling on the floor!
Tim.
A few days ago, I was in a local used electronics/Junque (only
high-class stuff here :-)) and found a rackmount case with PS, SCSI
cables, and three devices for five bucks. Took it home, blew the dust
out, and found I'd gotten a Exabyte 8mm tape that worked perfectly with
my VAXCluster (once I'd reseated the cards, blew the dust out and ran a
cleaning tape through it), an Archive 160 meg QIC drive (have no use for
this, anyone want it?) and a 5.25 in floppy with what claims to be an
NCR SCSI intereface bolted to it. It's this last I need info on.
This interface board is the same size as the drive; at one end is the
power plug (it appears to be powered independently of the floppy) and
the SCSI header. The other end has a 34 pin header with a standard cable
going back to the 34-pin edge connector on the floppy. Has an NCR 5380
and an Intel 85272 as the main chips, with a lot of glue, as well as a
80188 CPU with ROM. There are two switch pack, one 4-pos, one 8-pos.
The 4-pos pack has the first three positions labeled FT and the last
position is labeled EXT PF.
The 8-position pack has the last three switches labeled ID (almost
certainly the SCSI address). Anyway, anyone ever seen one of these
before? I'm a little scared to just plug it in; I've seen lots of tape
drives but this is the only SCSI floppy I've ever seen, and I want to
take good care of it :-). Any info greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
Dann Lunsford
As far as aesthetic appeal goes, to my taste absolutely nothing beats
a Cray-2 !! Next would be the CDC 3000 series with its tinted glass panels,
next the Cray-1. (Ranking according to my personal taste, of course).
There are quite a few more aesthetically interesting
supercomputers; maybe if you spend so many millions of US$
(and in particular since buying supercomputers is or has been mostly a
prestige matter) aesthetically pleasing design can be expected.
John G. Zabolitzky
<> A RCA COSMAC 1802 is a microprocessor, right? And I still
<> have not find any evidence that there was a kit for the ELF,
<> the Popular Electronics ELF was just plans in a magazine.
<> You could say "ELF II/Super ELF".
Quest Electornics, ELF as per the PE article. I have one.
Allison
--- KFergason(a)aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 6/20/99 12:26:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
> mranalog(a)home.com writes:
>
> > > 4) Available from a manufacturer (not just plans in a magazine)
> > > RCA COSMAC 1802 / ELF / Super ELF
> >
> > A RCA COSMAC 1802 is a microprocessor, right?
Right.
> > And I still have not find any evidence that there was a kit for the ELF,
> > the Popular Electronics ELF was just plans in a magazine.
I have a Quest Elf that I built from a kit as a kid. It was the Popular
Science design, pre-1861 video chip. It has a speaker, a Q LED, 8 toggle
switches for data, DMA/EF4 pushbutton, RUN/LOAD/MEMPROT toggles and the
original TIL311 latching hex displays. My PCB is rev 2.1, 1979. I bought
just the PCB and assembly plans for $35 around 1980. The entire kit was
available for $99.
> > You could say "ELF II/Super ELF".
The Elf II was a different manufacturer, Netronics, IIRC. Quest made the Elf
and Super ELF.
> It should probably say RCA COSMAC VIP, as I have several of them.
Right. An entirely different beast - keypad, ROM, 1861 video, I/O expansion
slot, up to 4Kb on the board, system expansion slot, cassette interface. I
have one, too.
-ethan
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Thanks to all the folks who replied with suggestions and advice on my 7900A
drive!
I had previously written:
>>He said I could use any 14" disk media that was the right
>>thickness. Can't remember if it was 50 mils or 75 mils. I
>>think it's the same as the RK05. I'll find out the mils number
>>tonight when I compare my 7900 cartridge with my 7905/6
>>one.
The 7900A platters are 50mils. So that I can keep an eye out for cartridges
that I could steal the media out of, does anyone know which commonly
available cartriges use a 50mil 14" platter? I thought the 75mil platters
were much more common, but don't know for sure.
Thanks in advance!
Jay West
