- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by morrison＠t-iii.com

You need Copy2PC to run it. Neil Morrison email:morrison@t-iii.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey l Kaneko [SMTP:jeff.kaneko@juno.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 6:43 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Central Point Option floppy controller > > I have one of these. Does anyone know how it's hooked up? > Anybody got the S/W for this thing? Supposedly, you can > write any format on the planet with this thing. I've > heard that it won't run i faster, newer machines. Does > anyone know what the limitations are? > > Jeff > > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 01:32:56 -0700 Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> > writes: > > Given the current discussion, has anyone looked the Central Point > > "copy > > card" floppy controller over? > > > > I am looking at one of mine right now, and to my limited "PC" eyes > > it seems > > fairly normal. Barely the length of a short ISA slot, with fingers > > on a > > edge connector as well as a set of header pins for the floppy drive > > cable. > > It has one main chip: > > > > Transcopy 3 c CPS > > TC19GO32AP-0036 > > Japan 8819EA! the ! could be just a vertical line. > > > > Its about 8051 sized, maybe 60 pins. There is a 48 khz crystal, and > > a 1987 > > copyright. Two sets of jumpers seem to select between PC/XT and > > AT/Compaq, > > another set looks like DMA1 or DMA2. > > > > Remaining chips are a LS245 to the ISA bus, a 7406 by the PC/XT > > jumpers, > > and a 8812S UM8326B next to the crystal. > > > > This is one of the cards I check every old PC I see for. > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Homeworkers Needed!

by morrison＠t-iii.com

I suspect it's boiler plae. Neil Morrison email:morrison@t-iii.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Joules [SMTP:peter@joules0.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 1:21 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Homeworkers Needed! > > In article <530ABCFF6BB4D111A08400609780AB1601C1EEDE(a)hobbit.t-iii.com>, > morrison(a)t-iii.com writes > >If this was a complaint about a particular junk e-mail, we appear > >to have received as many complaints as was necessary to take > >appropriate action and do not require any further reports to > >document this incident. > > Am I cynical or does this mean that they aren't interested and so just > send this out to make it look as if they are dealing with their > spammers? > -- > Regards > Pete

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Apple ][ in an ISA card (was Re: Central Point Option floppy controller)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Innfogra(a)aol.com wrote: > If I remember, someone marketed an apple II on a card that fit in an ISA PC. > I don't remember how the drives hooked up but I do remember the software that > > came with it included Central Point's drive conversion program. It would read > > Apple at the very least. I had two of these NIB at one time. > Anyone else know of these? > Paxton Was that a "TrackStar" card? I have a complete Apple ][ on an ISA card, but I've never even installed it in a machine. It looked interesting, but I never really needed to use it. -ethan === Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Reading TRS-80 discs (was RE: Archiving old discs...)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<It's not that hard to replace a non-standard data separator with a 9216 <or a homebrew design, or.... Or jumper the pins of the 9216 for the correct mode. Since the 9216 is only for the read side you still have to tweek the write and precomp logic. The 9229 does both sides (read and write). It's pretty trivial to do this even with SSI TTL. <But you can only do this if you have access to the signals you mentioned. <With the all-on-one-chip devices that are common on PC I/O cards you <don't. And since PCs always use double-density disks, a lot of these <chips were not properly tested in SD (FM) mode. True, you already have the resources. This is a matter I have experince with over 19 years, 19 of wich are with the 765 and heirs as I started as a product engineer with NEC before the 765 was rolled out. What I have for DOCs is, uhm, better than average. The last byte mashed in the UMC is also common to most 765s and is related to DMA read/write timing such that if you delay the DMA request by about 1-3uS (several FDD bit times) in FM mode it should work fine. In FM the internal clocks are slower and the transfers internally take longer. Some of the super parts compensate for this or there luck. It's part of the reason why when you write a command sequence or read status there can be a significant delay (12us for the 765A) as the clock runs the internal processors (one for parallel ops and one for the serial ops). OH in FM mode DTL byte in the command is significant (for MFM is filler). Allison

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Central Point Option floppy controller

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

I have one of these. Does anyone know how it's hooked up? Anybody got the S/W for this thing? Supposedly, you can write any format on the planet with this thing. I've heard that it won't run i faster, newer machines. Does anyone know what the limitations are? Jeff On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 01:32:56 -0700 Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> writes: > Given the current discussion, has anyone looked the Central Point > "copy > card" floppy controller over? > > I am looking at one of mine right now, and to my limited "PC" eyes > it seems > fairly normal. Barely the length of a short ISA slot, with fingers > on a > edge connector as well as a set of header pins for the floppy drive > cable. > It has one main chip: > > Transcopy 3 c CPS > TC19GO32AP-0036 > Japan 8819EA! the ! could be just a vertical line. > > Its about 8051 sized, maybe 60 pins. There is a 48 khz crystal, and > a 1987 > copyright. Two sets of jumpers seem to select between PC/XT and > AT/Compaq, > another set looks like DMA1 or DMA2. > > Remaining chips are a LS245 to the ISA bus, a 7406 by the PC/XT > jumpers, > and a 8812S UM8326B next to the crystal. > > This is one of the cards I check every old PC I see for. > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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by morrison＠t-iii.com

Yes. I remember wading my way through "Beneath Apple Dos" trying to figure out Woz's Wonder Ways with not too much success! > -----Original Message----- > From: allisonp(a)world.std.com [SMTP:allisonp@world.std.com] > > Or one of the PC Diamond Trackstar Apple clone board that ran on the > ISA-8. > > FYI: the apple disks are GCR encoded. > > Allison >

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by morrison＠t-iii.com

Yes. I thought of making a replacement FD card for my Coco that could read Apple. Nice if I could figure Commodore etc out also. Perhaps if it worked as a sort of bit copier like the CP Option card?? The Coco is easy because the card is just another program pak with it's own S/W on board. Neil Morrison email:morrison@t-iii.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [SMTP:mcguire@neurotica.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 1:41 PM > To: Neil Morrison; Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: RE: Central Point Option floppy controller > > > Hell, big PICs like the 17C54 run at 33MHz, at damn near 1 avg > ins/cycle, > too. I'm *sure* it could be done with a PIC. > > It'd be a neat hack, no? :-) > > -Dave McGuire > > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, morrison(a)t-iii.com wrote: > >I wonder if one could use a PIC chip to do it. They'll do 20Mhz, and they > >like bits. >

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HP 2114 on ebay

by morrison＠t-iii.com

Gazumped by a penny! Holy smokes that's funny! Neil Morrison Implementation GTE Enterprise Solutions ph: (604) 293-5710 email:morrison@t-iii.com > Looks like the eBay systems are running behind (yet again) in processing > info on completed auctions. The final bid shows as $455.01 and it does > not appear that there was a reserve. > > -jim >

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Homeworkers Needed!

by morrison＠t-iii.com

I forwarded this to abuse, postmaster etc at their ISP. Received back:- Hello, You are receiving this message in follow-up to a report received by the MindSpring AUP Abuse Department. You may have submitted this report to a number of addresses including but not limited to abuse(a)netcom.com, abuse(a)mindspring.com, or abuse(a)sprynet.com. Our ticketing system would seem to indicate your report regards an issue for which we have already received a number of similar reports. Unfortunately, due in part to high volumes of reports that a single incident can generate, we are unable to respond personally to all reports. If this was a complaint about a particular junk e-mail, we appear to have received as many complaints as was necessary to take appropriate action and do not require any further reports to document this incident. ............. clipped Neil Morrison email:morrison@t-iii.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Dwight Elvey [SMTP:elvey@hal.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 2:40 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Homeworkers Needed! > > mhco(a)mindspring.com wrote: > > > > MOHW Co > > 11054 Ventura Blvd PMB #126 > > Studio City, CA 91604 > > Name_____________________________________________________ > > > If anyone from this list sends anything other > than a complaint to these people, they should be > keel hauled. Never, ever, no matter how great it > sounds, reply favorably to a spammer. > IMHO > Dwight

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HP 2114 on ebay

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I couldn't even find it in the closed or "ended auction" area. Did he or >somebody completely remove all reference to the auction? Can that be done? The E-bay administrative folks will completely remove all references to auctions that are determined to be in violation of E-bay policy. The case last week where someone was selling a human kidney is an example. I fail to see how an HP mini would fall into this category, though! Tim.

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by morrison＠t-iii.com

Well, what I covet is a Dimension 68000. It was a Unix box, that could take cards and drives to let it emulate and run the OS for an Apple, TRS-80, CP/M and some other. I did see one once. Neil Morrison email:morrison@t-iii.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Innfogra(a)aol.com [SMTP:Innfogra@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 8:21 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Central Point Option floppy controller > > If I remember, someone marketed an apple II on a card that fit in an ISA > PC. > I don't remember how the drives hooked up but I do remember the software > that > came with it included Central Point's drive conversion program. It would > read > Apple at the very least. I had two of these NIB at one time. > Anyone else know of these? > Paxton

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Older Intel CPUs (was Re: Central Point Option floppy controller)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> writes: > I've seen 12 Mhz 286 motherboards w/memory for sale at local shows > for under $10. That's about what they are here *Finding* intact 286 systems is much harder. I was given a Taiwan No-name 286 system last year. I picked up a PC's limited 286 box for *nothing*. > Personally, I > stick with stuff that will run Linux as a baseline of new stuff to aquire for > day-to-day work (like the 486DLC w/16Mb I got for under $20 that's now a webcam > running Linux from a floppy. The only reason I paid anything for it was for > the 4Mb parity 30-pin SIMMs and the ultra-tiny form-factor motherboard - 1/2 > Baby AT sized). I use my 286's to torture test MFM disk drives (among other things). I also like toying with Xenix, when I've nothing better to do. > I tend toward XT-class and 386-class machines, depending on the use. > I never really got into 286's. I'm thinking of building an XT, just so I can test my WD-1003-WX2's, and -XT-GEN's. Yeah I know, I know, they should work in an 'AT', but 'it aint natural'. Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Older Intel CPUs (was Re: Central Point Option floppy controller)

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 12:23 PM 09/15/1999 -0700, you wrote: >--- allisonp(a)world.std.com wrote: >> > > and use an old 386 or 486. >> > Hah! You think everybody's got 386's and 486's laying around?! Sheesh! >> > :^) >> > I'd use one of my 286's for this job-- assuming it could do anything >> > useful. >> Live with it. Before I got a decent PC everyone assumed I had a Pentium. >> In the mean time look in dumpsters and garbage pails for your 386, they >> seems to be worthless here (Eastern MA). >I've seen 12 Mhz 286 motherboards w/memory for sale at local shows for under >$10. *Finding* intact 286 systems is much harder. I've got over 50 286's and a dozen 386's out in the shop. Various configs, all with HDD, KB, monitor (mostly mono, some mono-VGA). All for sale -cheep-. Need a spare - let me know. Lance Costanzo http://www.webhighrise.com System Administrator Website and Virtual Domain Hosting lance(a)costanzo.net starting at $5/month, no setup fees

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by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:41:26 -0400 (EDT) allisonp(a)world.std.com writes: > > I'd use one of my 286's for this job-- assuming it could do > > anything useful. > > Live with it. Before I got a decent PC evenone assumed I had a Pentium. > In the mean time look in dumpsters and garbage pails for your 386, they > seems to be worthless here (Eastern MA). Actually, I was just being a wiseguy. I got *some* 32-bit WinTel stuff. It's just that they're committed to projects at the moment! > A 286 should be fine for use with that board if their software > doesn't require it. I'd bet they don't need more than that. Naw, all of that dos based stuff runs just fine on 16-bit hardware. It's when they started doing all of these fancy memory tricks that got us into trouble. Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:05:24 -0400 (EDT) allisonp(a)world.std.com writes: > > I have one of these. Does anyone know how it's hooked up? > > Anybody got the S/W for this thing? Supposedly, you can > > write any format on the planet with this thing. I've > > Nope, only softsector formats that used standard address marks. > That leaves out apple, some CBM, Most heath H89 and all northstar systems > at least. Now see, I was *certain* that the whole original purpose of this critter was to copy Apple floppies using a PeeCee. I guess it's not that useful after all. > > heard that it won't run i faster, newer machines. Does > > anyone know what the limitations are? > > The board is slow, make sure the ISA bus transactions are set up to > not exceed 8mhz and also there should be IO waits. Bet best is to find > and use an old 386 or 486. Hah! You think everybody's got 386's and 486's laying around?! Sheesh! :^) I'd use one of my 286's for this job-- assuming it could do anything useful. Peace. Jeff > > Allison > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Older Intel CPUs (was Re: Central Point Option floppy controller)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- allisonp(a)world.std.com wrote: > > > and use an old 386 or 486. > > > > Hah! You think everybody's got 386's and 486's laying around?! Sheesh! > > :^) > > I'd use one of my 286's for this job-- assuming it could do anything > > useful. > > Live with it. Before I got a decent PC everyone assumed I had a Pentium. > In the mean time look in dumpsters and garbage pails for your 386, they > seems to be worthless here (Eastern MA). I've seen 12 Mhz 286 motherboards w/memory for sale at local shows for under $10. *Finding* intact 286 systems is much harder. Personally, I stick with stuff that will run Linux as a baseline of new stuff to aquire for day-to-day work (like the 486DLC w/16Mb I got for under $20 that's now a webcam running Linux from a floppy. The only reason I paid anything for it was for the 4Mb parity 30-pin SIMMs and the ultra-tiny form-factor motherboard - 1/2 Baby AT sized). I tend toward XT-class and 386-class machines, depending on the use. I never really got into 286's. -ethan === Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Tandy Computers

by morrison＠t-iii.com

I called a buddy at the local Rad Shack repair depot and asked if they had any old repair manuals for the 8bit computers, pockets etc that they no longer wanted. I heard the saddest thing one can hear "We threw them all in the dumpster a month ago!" So if you have an R/S depot near you, you might want to try them and see what they may give away. Neil Morrison email:morrison@t-iii.com

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Central Point Option floppy controller

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Actually, I would avoid a 286 with the Central Point board unless you're very familiar with the particular machine's architecture. Many 286 boxes had bus speeds greater than 8 MHz As AMD and others produced 286 chips up to 12 MHz & higher, a lot of manufacturers simply kept the bus at processor speed. Those machines were incompatible with a lot of cards. By the 386 days, they went back down to 8 MHz and kept it ever since. -----Original Message----- From: allisonp(a)world.std.com [mailto:allisonp@world.std.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 10:41 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Central Point Option floppy controller > Now see, I was *certain* that the whole original purpose of this critter > was to copy Apple floppies using a PeeCee. I guess it's not that > useful after all. Since 90% of the apple format is done in 6502 software anything that reads that would ahve a 6502 or one of it's clones by inference. > > and use an old 386 or 486. > > Hah! You think everybody's got 386's and 486's laying around?! Sheesh! > :^) > I'd use one of my 286's for this job-- assuming it could do anything > useful. Live with it. Before I got a decent PC evenone assumed I had a Pentium. In the mean time look in dumpsters and garbage pails for your 386, they seems to be worthless here (Eastern MA). A 286 should be fine for use with that board if their software doesn't require it. I'd bet they don't need more than that. Allison

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by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>> Now see, I was *certain* that the whole original purpose of this critter >> was to copy Apple floppies using a PeeCee. I guess it's not that >> useful after all. >Since 90% of the apple format is done in 6502 software anything that reads >that would ahve a 6502 or one of it's clones by inference. I understood that at least the nicer Central Point Option Boards (there were several different ones made) don't have any data decoder in hardware at all. The hardware simply records when transitions take place, and then pass this list to the software that does the decoding. (The Catweasel seems to work on the same principle, but it doesn't come with the decoding software...) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Central Point Option floppy controller

by edick＠idcomm.com

Since PC's use MFM on their floppies and are, at the hardware level, capable of MFM and FM, and the Apple ][ uses neither, it's unlikely you'll succeed taking that approach. I recommend using an Apple][ with the Z80 card running CP/M and MODEM7 <=> Terminal or HYPERTERMINAL on your PC running Windows. DOS will work if you use Pocomm or TELIX. Other comm programs are likely to work also. That's the least painful way I can envision, since the APPLE diskettes are totally foreign to "standard" modulation schemes used with FD's and their controllers. It would not surprise me to learn that there's an easy way to do this same thing with LINUX as well. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey l Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Central Point Option floppy controller > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:05:24 -0400 (EDT) allisonp(a)world.std.com writes: >> > I have one of these. Does anyone know how it's hooked up? >> > Anybody got the S/W for this thing? Supposedly, you can >> > write any format on the planet with this thing. I've >> >> Nope, only softsector formats that used standard address marks. >> That leaves out apple, some CBM, Most heath H89 and all northstar >systems >> at least. > >Now see, I was *certain* that the whole original purpose of this critter >was to copy Apple floppies using a PeeCee. I guess it's not that >useful after all. > >> > heard that it won't run i faster, newer machines. Does >> > anyone know what the limitations are? >> >> The board is slow, make sure the ISA bus transactions are set up to >> not exceed 8mhz and also there should be IO waits. Bet best is to find > >> and use an old 386 or 486. > >Hah! You think everybody's got 386's and 486's laying around?! Sheesh! >:^) >I'd use one of my 286's for this job-- assuming it could do anything >useful. > > >Peace. > >Jeff > >> >> Allison >> >> > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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by morrison＠t-iii.com

My buddy has one of these. It works fine in an older computer, but fails in a faster one. I may have to rebuild my 12MHz 286 to run it. Neil Morrison email:morrison@t-iii.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Ford [SMTP:mikeford@socal.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 1:33 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Central Point Option floppy controller > > Given the current discussion, has anyone looked the Central Point "copy > card" floppy controller over? > > I am looking at one of mine right now, and to my limited "PC" eyes it > seems > fairly normal. Barely the length of a short ISA slot, with fingers on a > edge connector as well as a set of header pins for the floppy drive cable. > It has one main chip: > > Transcopy 3 c CPS > TC19GO32AP-0036 > Japan 8819EA! the ! could be just a vertical line. > > Its about 8051 sized, maybe 60 pins. There is a 48 khz crystal, and a 1987 > copyright. Two sets of jumpers seem to select between PC/XT and AT/Compaq, > another set looks like DMA1 or DMA2. > > Remaining chips are a LS245 to the ISA bus, a 7406 by the PC/XT jumpers, > and a 8812S UM8326B next to the crystal. > > This is one of the cards I check every old PC I see for. >

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HP 7475 Plotter

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Monday, September 13, 1999 6:53 PM, JAMES WEBSTER [SMTP:jwebste3@bellsouth.net] wrote: > Gene, > > I do not own one of these plotters. But from my notes, > Windows 9x has native drivers for the HP7475 and HP7550 > plotters. How functional they are, I do not know. From > the Control Panel select Add Printer and proceed from > there. I would be interested in knowing how well the > native driver works. Thanks! > Jim Webster I've used a HP 7550 with the Microsoft WIN 95 drivers and it works very well. Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Central Point Option floppy controller

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Actually, the Deluxe Option Board will copy Apple II diskettes. I've tested this myself. As far as I can tell, it will copy absolutely any soft-sector format, and there is even a bit-by-bit mode that will sometimes work on some hard sector disks. I'll be bringing my Compaq PC (a.k.a. Portable I, 8088 with the dual full-height 5-1/4" floppies) to the VCF. It has a Deluxe Option Board installed and an internal 3.5" IDE HD run by a Silicon Valley IDE controller with BIOS. The hard drive is there so I can load the Option Board software without a lot of floppy swapping. It'll be set up as a free diskette-copying station. Kai -----Original Message----- From: allisonp(a)world.std.com [mailto:allisonp@world.std.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 7:05 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Central Point Option floppy controller > I have one of these. Does anyone know how it's hooked up? > Anybody got the S/W for this thing? Supposedly, you can > write any format on the planet with this thing. I've Nope, only softsector formats that used standard address marks. That leaves out apple, some CBM, Most heath H89 and all northstar systems at least. > heard that it won't run i faster, newer machines. Does > anyone know what the limitations are? The board is slow, make sure the ISA bus transactions are set up to not exceed 8mhz and also there should be IO waits. Bet best is to find and use an old 386 or 486. Allison

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/15/99 9:55:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com writes: > I have one of these. Does anyone know how it's hooked up? > Anybody got the S/W for this thing? Supposedly, you can > write any format on the planet with this thing. I've > heard that it won't run i faster, newer machines. Does > anyone know what the limitations are? > > Jeff i have something called the deluxe option board. it allows: exchange data with mac users if 3.5 drive is installed. copy copy protected disks. make copies of non-IBM formats as long as they are not copy protected. edit tracks on any disk. the book says it's compatible with anything of that time. (PC->386) d -->this message printed on recycled disk space. visit the computers of yesteryear at: http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/15/99 11:32:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, healyzh(a)aracnet.com writes: > > > > If I remember, someone marketed an apple II on a card that fit in an ISA > PC. > > I don't remember how the drives hooked up but I do remember the software > that > > came with it included Central Point's drive conversion program. It would > read > > Apple at the very least. I had two of these NIB at one time. > > Anyone else know of these? > > Paxton > > > > Could you be thinking of one of the Apple ][ on a board cards that were > available in the late 80's? I know Apple made one that went in a Mac LC, > and I think at least one company made them for the PC. You could attach a > genuine Apple ][ drive to one of these cards. > > Zane > there was something called the trackstar which allowed pretty good //e emulation. A disk ][ plugged into the adaptor card so essentially you had the real thing. d -->this message printed on recycled disk space. visit the computers of yesteryear at: http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm

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by Innfogra＠aol.com

If I remember, someone marketed an apple II on a card that fit in an ISA PC. I don't remember how the drives hooked up but I do remember the software that came with it included Central Point's drive conversion program. It would read Apple at the very least. I had two of these NIB at one time. Anyone else know of these? Paxton

26 years, 10 months

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Opening Shrink Wrapped Packages

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/15/99 11:35:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marvin(a)rain.org writes: > One of the things I picked up (at TRW!) a few years ago was a shrink-wrapped > copy of IBM PC-DOS 1.1 w/ Graphics. I have had the urge to open it up, but I > haven't yet and really don't plan to open it. The main reason for opening it > is curiousity as to what was included in the package. I have no intentions > of using it, and somewhere I have another DOS 1.1 system disk that I can > play with if so inclined. > > My general rule of thumb is leave it shrinkwrapped until a *compelling* > reason comes along to actually open the package. I agree. i actually found wrapped packages of OS/2 versions 1.1 and 1.3 cheap. I opened the 1.3 version only to install it on an old 286to see what it was like. -->this message printed on recycled disk space. visit the computers of yesteryear at: http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm

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Why is the Coleco Adam so damn popular?

by DD950＠prodigy.net

-----Original Message----- From: Glenatacme(a)aol.com <Glenatacme(a)aol.com> >I'm not familiar with the Adam. When you say it "really didn't work," do you >mean: > >1) it was poorly designed >2) it was poorly manufactured >3) it was a PITA to use or program > The easy answer would be all three, but it was a decent 1983-4 design, the printer quality control left a lot to be desired, but it was a daisy wheel printer for a very cheap price back then. (note: the Adam came with the printer, basic, and a word processor for $800 in 1984, the KayPro 2X with a Juki 6100 Daisy wheel printer I replaced the Adam with costs $1750.) I found you would not want to trust the printer to print out your work on deadline. It might take you a long time to get the formatting correct. It was definetily a PITA to use and program, and program you did. At least you typed in basic programs form listings in books and magazines. My first and last project was to type in a basic progam to make a mailing list for my customers. I never could get it to work and finally found the authors telephone number and called him. He immediately admitted the program didn't work as Coleco had shipped a different version of basic than the one they had given him to work with. He also confirmed that the printer was "very difficult" to get to print correctly. He also admitted that he was without a current Adam as he himself had returned two machines for refunds. I think later the basic was improved and the printer was improved. > >"Really didn't work" sounds as if _nothing_ useful could be done with the >machine, no matter the skills and/or perseverance of the user. I think as time went on, there were some useful filing, spreadsheet, and better word pocessing progams for the Adam. They could not have been any worse anyway :-) There was a lot of talk of CP/M for the Adam while I had one, I don't know if that ever happened. > >More plainly stated: are these things _totally_ _crap_ ??? I like >collecting the smaller machines, but don't wish to waste my time if the Adam >"really doesn't work." > > No, not total loss, but darn close IMHO. As I remember, I could always type something into the Adam, and then play hell trying to get the thing to give it back to me out of the printerr in some kind of recognizable form. With all the activity yet, they are not rare I guess. Perhaps the Adam bomb has earned it's place in any well stocked collection. There appears to be plenty of information on the Web surprisingly, to get you started visit: http://www.flash.net/~coleco/start.htm Good luck, Jim Rossbach, Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club, www.TonkinYachts.cjb.net You've heard it said that the early bird gets the worm? Well the second mouse gets the cheese ! (W. Rian Adams)

26 years, 10 months

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SoCal TRW Swap Sep 25th

by jpl15＠netcom.com

On 25th September, AD 1999, will occur YATS. (Yet Another TRW Swapmeet). The swapmeet is held in El Segundo, a suburb of Los Angeles, CA, USA, at the TRW facility. It is open from 7:00 to 11:30 Am local (pacific) time. There is no charge for buyer entry. From the 405 (San Diego) freeway, take the Rosecrans exit and proceed West on Rosecrans approximately 1 mile, to the intersection of Aviation and Rosecrans. Turn left (south) on Aviation, and go south about 1/2 mile. The TRW plant will be on your right as you go south. Find a place to park and join us. I will be happy to entertain any classiccmpers who wish to show up... my spaces are J21 and 23. Marvin threatens to attend this month's Event, so between him and myself (and maybe Mike Ford) there will be nothing Good left. On second thought... don't bother. It's too early, and we're sure you have plenty of Saturday chores to get done. But if you *do* show up, please come by and say "G'Day, Mate!". If there is sufficient interest, a post-swap Brag-n-Brunch will be held at a local greasy spoon. [We have had upwards of 15 folk at these soirees.] Also, there is always space for a few items that you may wish to expose to the Buying Public. Contact me via private e-mail and we'll sort out the logistics. NOTE: The swapmeet venue is due to be moved in December, ie., the last Meet in the present location will be November's. As of now, it is anticipated that the move will be to another parking lot a block away, but no confirmation of that is in hand. So.... get it while the gettin's good. Cheers John

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Why is the Coleco Adam so xxxx popular?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/14/99 9:50:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Glenatacme(a)aol.com writes: > Jim wrote: > > In a message dated 09/14/1999 6:21:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > DD950(a)prodigy.net writes: > > > I have to admit i bought one of the Coleco Adam computers in the summer of > > > 1984 (The Adam bomb). I soon found that it really didn't work and like > most > > I returned it to Toy-R-Us for a refund. > > I'm not familiar with the Adam. When you say it "really didn't work," do > you > mean: > > 1) it was poorly designed > 2) it was poorly manufactured > 3) it was a PITA to use or program > > ?? > > "Really didn't work" sounds as if _nothing_ useful could be done with the > machine, no matter the skills and/or perseverance of the user. > > More plainly stated: are these things _totally_ _crap_ ??? I like > collecting the smaller machines, but don't wish to waste my time if the Adam > > "really doesn't work." > > TIA, well, supposedly there were various applications for it, so you could process words or do the ubiquitous home budgeting. it had a built-in printer which was handy and the built-in basic was very similar to applesoft. only thing you had to remember is not to leave a data tape in the drive when turning it on or the tape's info will be destroyed. -->this message printed on recycled disk space. visit the computers of yesteryear at: http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm

26 years, 10 months

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CLASSICCMP digest 895 -Reply

by cutler＠nmah.si.edu

I will be on vacation from Aug 23 to Sept 15 and will get back to you after that date. I apologize for the delay.

26 years, 10 months

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Homeworkers Needed! -and spam reported

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/15/99 12:29:50 AM US Eastern Standard Time, some spammer scum wrote: > Dear Future Associate, > > You Can Work At Home & Set Your Own Hours. Start earning Big > Money in a short time > > NO Newspaper Advertising! LARTs sent to flash.net; thanks to spamcop.net !

26 years, 10 months

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List spam traced

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

The recent spam to the list has been traced back to its source and reported. I will say only that the attempt at header forgery, on the part of the spammer, was somewhere between insignificant and pathetic. Then again, given the average intelligence level (or lack thereof) on the part of your typical chickenboner, this comes as no surprise whatsoever. In this case, the spam originated from a Los Angeles dialup node belonging to flash.net. I will advise the list of any response I receive. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

26 years, 10 months

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Need ID for IBM Cards [+ Picture]

by wsmith＠gj.com

I think you're right. You are the second person to ID the cards as from an early memory typewriter. I should have mentioned in my earlier post that each of the cards was paperclipped to a carbon copy of a document. Based on the length of the documents, these cards didn't hold much. I have posted a scan of a couple of these cards at http://home.earthlink.net/~wmsmith/_uimages/IBMCards.jpg to the extent that it helps in further IDing them. Thanks. >>>> "Merle K. Peirce" <at258(a)osfn.org> 09/14 2:16 AM >>> >Sounds like a magcard, probably from an old MagcardII typewriter or a >Displaywriter. > >On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Wayne Smith wrote: > >> I was just going through a box of old files (circa 1970) that my office is throwing out and I found four cards that I need an ID on. >>They are the same size and shape as a standard puch card, but appear to be made of some sort of magnetic media. They are >>approximately the color of standard magnetic cassette tape on one side, and nearly black on the other. Each card has "IBM" >>printed on it in white with a direction arrow next to it in one corner of the card directly opposite the notch. In the corner with the >>notch there are two groups of 3 digits, also in white. >> >> The cards have what appear to be track marks on them in three parallel rows on the horizontal, as if fed through a reader. >> >> Thanks. If it would be useful I post a scan of one of these. >> > >M. K. Peirce >Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc. >215 Shady Lea Road, >North Kingstown, RI 02852 > >"Casta est qui nemo rogavit." > > - Ovid ! ! !

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Need ID for IBM Cards [+ Picture]

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:03:37 -0400 (EDT) "Merle K. Peirce" <at258(a)osfn.org> writes: > >If I can find the MagCard manual, I'll see if I can find the capacity. > I don't know if it mirrored the punch card or not, although I think it >held more data. They were supposed to be terrors to run. Not to mention repair! One of my first jobs in the electronics industry was field service of the Redactron Redactor (tm) word processing system. This was, for all intensive purposes, an IBM MAG Card System *clone* made by the Redactron Corporation, of Yaphank, NY. It used an *IBM* selectric typewriter mechanism, a box the size of a bar fridge filled with electronics, and used either MAG Cards or special cassette tapes. ALot of our customers started with MAG cards, then upgraded to tapes (which held alot more). Some customers had machines with *both*. LAter, the Selectric (tm) mechanism was replaced with a printer/ keyboard unit called a Q-Pak. Redactron was subsequently purchased by Burroughs. Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

26 years, 10 months

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Why is the Coleco Adam so damn popular?

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

Jim wrote: In a message dated 09/14/1999 6:21:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DD950(a)prodigy.net writes: > I have to admit i bought one of the Coleco Adam computers in the summer of > 1984 (The Adam bomb). I soon found that it really didn't work and like most > I returned it to Toy-R-Us for a refund. I'm not familiar with the Adam. When you say it "really didn't work," do you mean: 1) it was poorly designed 2) it was poorly manufactured 3) it was a PITA to use or program ?? "Really didn't work" sounds as if _nothing_ useful could be done with the machine, no matter the skills and/or perseverance of the user. More plainly stated: are these things _totally_ _crap_ ??? I like collecting the smaller machines, but don't wish to waste my time if the Adam "really doesn't work." TIA, Glen Goodwin 0/0

26 years, 10 months

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Homeworkers Needed!

by mhco＠mindspring.com

Dear Future Associate, You Can Work At Home & Set Your Own Hours. Start earning Big Money in a short time NO Newspaper Advertising! Your job will be to stuff and mail envelopes for our company. You will receive $.25 for each and every envelope you stuff and mail out. Just follow our simple instructions and you will be making money as easy as 1… 2… 3 For example stuff and mail 200 envelopes and you will receive $50.00. Stuff and mail 1000 and you will receive $250.00. Stuff and mail 2000 and you will receive $500.00 and more Never before has there been an easier way to make money from home! Our Company's Home Mailing Program is designed for people with little or no experience and provides simple, step by step instructions. There is no prior experience or special skills necessary on your part, Just stuffing envelopes. We need the help of honest and reliable home workers like you. Because we are overloaded with work and have more than our staff can handle. We have now expanded our mailing program and are expecting to reach millions more with our offers throughout the US and Canada. Our system of stuffing and mailing envelopes is very simple and easy to do! You will not be required to buy envelopes or postage stamps. We will gladly furnish all circulars at no cost to you. We assure you that as a participant in our program you will never have to mail anything objective or offensive. There are no quotas to meet, and there no contracts to sign. You can work as much, or as little as you want. Payment for each envelope you send out is Guaranteed! Here is what you will receive when you get your first Package. Inside you will find 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales letters ready to stuff and mail As soon as you are done with stuffing and mailing these first letters, your payment will arrive shortly, thereafter. All you have to do is to order more free supplies and stuff and mail more envelopes to make more money. Our sales literature which you will be stuffing and mailing will contain information outlining our highly informative manuals that we are advertising nationwide. As a free gift you will receive a special manual valued at $24.95, absolutely free, just for joining our Home Mailers Program. Plus you will get your own special code number, so that we will know how much you are to get paid. And to make re-ordering of more envelopes, that our company supplies very simple for you. We are giving you this free bonus because we want you to be confident in our company and to ensure that we will be doing business with you for a long time. Benefits Of This Job: 1. You do not have to quit your present job, to earn more money at home 2. You can make between $2,500 to $4,500 a month depending on the amount of time you are willing to spend stuffing and mailing envelopes 3. This is a great opportunity for the students, mothers, disabled persons or those who are home bodies. To secure your position and to show us that you are serious about earning extra income at home we require a one-time registration fee of $35.00. This fee covers the cost of your initial start up package, which includes 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales letters and a manual, your registration fee will be refunded back to you shortly thereafter. Money Back Guarantee! We guarantee that as soon as you stuff and mail your first 300 envelopes You will be paid $75.00 and your registration fee will be refunded. Many of you wonder why it is necessary to pay a deposit to get a job. It is because we are looking for people that seriously want to work from home. * If 3.000 people told us they wanted to start working from home and we sent out 3.000 packages free to every one. And then half of the people decided not to work, this would be a potential loss of more than $60,000 in supply's and shipping that we have sent out to people that don't want to work We have instituted this policy to make sure that you really want to work and at least finish your first package. To Get Started Today Please Enclose Your Registration Fee of $35 Check,Cash Or Money Order and fill out the application below and mail to: MOHW Co 11054 Ventura Blvd PMB #126 Studio City, CA 91604 Name_____________________________________________________ Address___________________________________________________ City____________________________________ State______________ Zip Code________________ Telephone Number(s)_________________________________________ E-mail Address______________________________________________ For all orders, please allow seven (7) days for delivery and up to 10 days. Cash and Money Orders will result in faster shipping of your package.

26 years, 10 months

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Reading TRS-80 discs (was RE: Archiving old discs...)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<There was a TRS-80 model 1 Zork that meets this description -- I bought <it years ago. It was a single-density disk (The model 1 used a 1771 <controller that could only do single desnity), and it was formatted <strangely 'copy protect' it. It was also a self-booting disk with no <filesystem as such -- the Zork program just read the text (encrypted <IIRC) from raw sectors on the disk. I think the trs80 boot code loaded on a few sectors that acutally booted and loaded ZORK as there were other things in the way of odd skewing and sector numbering the standard code didn't like. <Superutility on a TRS-80 could probably read/back up that disk, but I <don't know what else can. Or suprzap (or several others) on one of many systems using the older 1771 controller (S100, Bigboards and others). Allison

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Reading TRS-80 discs (was RE: Archiving old discs...)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<So, bottom line, if I find a floppy card that appears to conform to one of <the favorable ones on that list from comp.os.cpm, stick it in a PC and use <something like 22DISK, I should be able to make a physical backup of a TRS- <disk? Is there some other piece of software I should use? Unless Teledis <will produce an uncompressed image, it won't help me. I can process the d <images once I get them onto the hard drive, that's the easy part. ... Maybe. It's possible to create disks especially those created using some of the more oddball marks the 1771 can do. In that case only a system with a 1771 can read those disks. It's important to note that all of the PC controllers use some chip that is 765 at it's core and will only read S34 and S3740 compatable format sequences. The 1771 can generate many non conforming formats that even the 1793 in FM mode CANNOT read. So just doing fm is not the total answer as even the hard sectored Northstar* controller was FM. There is a long list of things you can do with the 1771 and to a lesser extent in the way of making formats that are "unique". Allison

26 years, 10 months

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Homeworkers Needed!

by mowhco＠att.net

Dear Future Associate, You Can Work At Home & Set Your Own Hours. Start earning Big Money in a short time NO Newspaper Advertising! Your job will be to stuff and mail envelopes for our company. You will receive $.25 for each and every envelope you stuff and mail out. Just follow our simple instructions and you will be making money as easy as 1… 2… 3 For example stuff and mail 200 envelopes and you will receive $50.00. Stuff and mail 1000 and you will receive $250.00. Stuff and mail 2000 and you will receive $500.00 and more Never before has there been an easier way to make money from home! Our Company's Home Mailing Program is designed for people with little or no experience and provides simple, step by step instructions. There is no prior experience or special skills necessary on your part, Just stuffing envelopes. We need the help of honest and reliable home workers like you. Because we are overloaded with work and have more than our staff can handle. We have now expanded our mailing program and are expecting to reach millions more with our offers throughout the US and Canada. Our system of stuffing and mailing envelopes is very simple and easy to do! You will not be required to buy envelopes or postage stamps. We will gladly furnish all circulars at no cost to you. We assure you that as a participant in our program you will never have to mail anything objective or offensive. There are no quotas to meet, and there no contracts to sign. You can work as much, or as little as you want. Payment for each envelope you send out is Guaranteed! Here is what you will receive when you get your first Package. Inside you will find 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales letters ready to stuff and mail As soon as you are done with stuffing and mailing these first letters, your payment will arrive shortly, thereafter. All you have to do is to order more free supplies and stuff and mail more envelopes to make more money. Our sales literature which you will be stuffing and mailing will contain information outlining our highly informative manuals that we are advertising nationwide. As a free gift you will receive a special manual valued at $24.95, absolutely free, just for joining our Home Mailers Program. Plus you will get your own special code number, so that we will know how much you are to get paid. And to make re-ordering of more envelopes, that our company supplies very simple for you. We are giving you this free bonus because we want you to be confident in our company and to ensure that we will be doing business with you for a long time. Benefits Of This Job: 1. You do not have to quit your present job, to earn more money at home 2. You can make between $2,500 to $4,500 a month depending on the amount of time you are willing to spend stuffing and mailing envelopes 3. This is a great opportunity for the students, mothers, disabled persons or those who are home bodies. To secure your position and to show us that you are serious about earning extra income at home we require a one-time registration fee of $35.00. This fee covers the cost of your initial start up package, which includes 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales letters and a manual, your registration fee will be refunded back to you shortly thereafter. Money Back Guarantee! We guarantee that as soon as you stuff and mail your first 300 envelopes You will be paid $75.00 and your registration fee will be refunded. Many of you wonder why it is necessary to pay a deposit to get a job. It is because we are looking for people that seriously want to work from home. * If 3.000 people told us they wanted to start working from home and we sent out 3.000 packages free to every one. And then half of the people decided not to work, this would be a potential loss of more than $60,000 in supply's and shipping that we have sent out to people that don't want to work We have instituted this policy to make sure that you really want to work and at least finish your first package. To Get Started Today Please Enclose Your Registration Fee of $35 Check,Cash Or Money Order and fill out the application below and mail to: MOHW Co PMB 11054 Ventura Blvd #126 Studio City, CA 91604 Name_____________________________________________________ Address___________________________________________________ City____________________________________ State______________ Zip Code________________ Telephone Number(s)_________________________________________ E-mail Address______________________________________________ For all orders, please allow seven (7) days for delivery and up to 10 days. Cash and Money Orders will result in faster shipping of your package.

26 years, 10 months

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Homeworkers Needed! Try www.spamcop.net

by morrison＠t-iii.com

"However, the amount of spam I am receiving has dropped almost to zero since I have been using www.spamcop.net to send the complaints!" ---> And if you keep off usa.net it will stay low. Talk about the Land O' Spam!!! Neil Morrison email:morrison@t-iii.com

26 years, 10 months

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HELP! Kaypro 2X Drive (Was: HELP! Osbourne drives)

by wsmith＠gj.com

>>> Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> 09/13 9:06 PM >>> On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Wayne Smith wrote: > This made me remember that I have a perhaps similar problem with one > of my Kaypro drives. It works at first, but eventually wears away > portions of the disk making the disk unusable. (After a few uses, if > you hold the disk up to the light there are arcs that are clear.) I > assume this is a head alignment issue. If so, is there an easy way to > realign the heads (perhaps dropping the unit a la Apple III), or should > I just look for another floppy drive? I would be more inclined to suspect magnetic media build up on the heads that needs to be cleaned off. - don ***Any suggestions on cleaning methods? Wayne ! ! !

26 years, 10 months

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Reading TRS-80 discs (was RE: Archiving old discs...)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- allisonp(a)world.std.com wrote: > I can say the 37c65 (all vendors) and all versions of the 765(I8272) all > do single density quite well. Most PC bus cards do not do ningle > density (any/all) of those more often than not do not do SD FM due to > board level implmentation limitations. The most common is the data > seperator is hardwired for (especially true for any board with 765/8272 > on it) one maybe two data rates. So, bottom line, if I find a floppy card that appears to conform to one of the favorable ones on that list from comp.os.cpm, stick it in a PC and use something like 22DISK, I should be able to make a physical backup of a TRS-80 disk? Is there some other piece of software I should use? Unless Teledisk will produce an uncompressed image, it won't help me. I can process the disk images once I get them onto the hard drive, that's the easy part. -ethan === Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

26 years, 10 months

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Homeworkers Needed! Try www.spamcop.net

by DD950＠prodigy.net

-----Original Message----- From: morrison(a)t-iii.com <morrison(a)t-iii.com> >I forwarded this to abuse, postmaster etc at their ISP. Received back:- > > I forwarded that spam also. I am glad there are others that take the time to complain. Now the only problem is the spammer most probably was not really using, or planned to use again that email account. But you never know so it is worth reporting it anyway. I have been cutting and pasting all my spam into the free parser at www.spamcop.net . You can use the system for free and it will address and send a nice complaint letter for you to the proper people. If you join up I understand you can use the filter that will block all the spam that is being reported. I don't do that so I can't tell you how effective that is. However, the amount of spam I am receiving has dropped almost to zero since I have been using www.spamcop.net to send the complaints! Maybe, just maybe the spammers do keep a list of us whiner and complainers and try not to send us spam. I encourage everybody to visit www.spamcop.net and use the system to file complaints. If nothing else it makes you feel good doing something. Regards, Jim Rossbach, Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club Web Ring, www.TonkinYachts.cjb.net Who were the beta testers for Preparations A through G?

26 years, 10 months

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Intel Stuff from the early '80's

by edick＠idcomm.com

Back in the heyday of 8-bit micros I got involved with a couple of clients who thought the Intel 16-bit processors were pretty cool. Ultimately I was left with a bunch of software documentation and some software (copied, I suppose). Some of the software and documentation actually go together, so I though I'd make an initial offer to this group in case there's someone crazy enough to pursue this sort of stuff. I have lots ( close to 25 kg ) of manuals in the original blue Intel binders containing documents on various Intel development tools of the early 8086 era, including, I believe, Pascal, Assembler, various OS's (they were experimenting with several at the time) PL/M, among others. There's also a batch, obviously intended to go together, of 8" diskettes marked iAPX Source Code which has in it diskettes marked "CP/M to ISIS Translator" in CP/M SSSD format, RTCS UDI, PL/M-80, and LOTS of other iRMX stuff all in ISIS format (whatever that is) seemingly the source code for an entire development OS. Is anybody interested enough to want this stuff shipped to them at THEIR expense? That means I carry the stuff to the Mailboxes, Etc shop, get a quote on the packing and shipping cost, carry it back and, when your check clears, have it shipped to you. Dick Dick

26 years, 10 months

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HP IC numbers was:Re: Britain is Great (Back from the Island)

by edick＠idcomm.com

Those 1820-xxxx numbers remind me of lots of HP boards I've looked at over the years. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)netsync.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 7:05 PM Subject: HP IC numbers was:Re: Britain is Great (Back from the Island) >Upon the date 07:12 PM 9/13/99 +0100, Tony Duell said something like: > >>> All but 3 parts have a numbering like 1820-0xxx, wher xxx is >> >>Almost all HP logic chips are 1820-xxxx :-). And these ones are not in my >>list of equivalents, which means they might well be custom (I would >>suspect a lot of them are, since there's nowhere near enough parts to >>make a calculator using MSI TTL here). > > -- snip -- > >Tony and others: > >I can't recall for sure but has someone posted anywhere a cross ref list >between HP house numbers and industry equivalent numbers? I thought there >was some discussion here a long time ago about this but I'm subscribed to >several other lists which could have had the same type of discussion. > >Thanks for any pointers folks! > >Regards, Chris >-- -- >Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian >Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net > Member of Antique Wireless Association > URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/

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GOOD hamfest!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I just returned from the Melbourne hamfest. I picked up a Osbourne Executive complete with all the disks and manuals from the original owner, a Heathkit Hero Robot and a HP 3468 meter with HP-IL interface. :-) Found out later that I missed a Lisa keyboard.

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TSR 80

by jcmitch＠fcc.net

I have a TSR 80 that is tape driven not disk driven. I also have a number of games for it. Is this worth anything. John C. Mitchell

26 years, 10 months

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Reading TRS-80 discs (was RE: Archiving old discs...)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- morrison(a)t-iii.com wrote: > If the TRS-80 disks are DD you can usually read them OK, but SD needs some > other computer (Model I, III, 4, Coco etc.) Hmm... I've got an ancient ORIGINAL of Zork I (published by Personal Software) I've wanted to back this thing up for years so I can see which data file is on it, but I've never owned anything that can read it. Is it likely to be SD? What kind of non-period hardware can read this? If need be, I could even hook up a 5.25" disk to my Amiga and get funky with that. Thanks, -ethan === Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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VW (was Re: Why is the Coleco Adam so popular?

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Jacob Ritorto <jritorto(a)nut.net> wrote: > Road Trip in a Microbus? I'm game. I took my '63 to Spokane from > Pittsburgh a few years ago. Only used two engines. Ack! My beloved '76 is down; the (first) engine is in the basement undergoing a complete top-job (new heads, pistons, cylinders) after 2 owners and 125K miles > I've been meaning to > weld a pdp11/23 into the area where the refrigerator is supposed to go, > but haven't got a round tuit yet. It'd be neat to have a classic computer > survellence bus. I saved the A/C plastic enclosure that used to sit behind the heads in the fronts seats to put a computer up there someday. At the time, I was thinking about a C-64 due to low power requirements. If you powered the PDP-11 from some source other than the alternator, you might have a chance; I wouldn't want to put that kind of a load on the factory electrical system. What would you use for disk? Now... an 11/23 in a BA-23 w/ 1/2-height MFM, or better yet, 3.5" SCSI, might be doable. My 11/23's tend to have RL02's on them; not exactly road worthy. -ethan === Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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