- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by edick＠idcomm.com

I'm sorry about fouling up the title to this thing . . . it's about those old FDC/HDC Doc's etc, I ran across a couple of months ago. A few were missing, though I knew I had them somewhere. Now that they're found, I'm trying to make a machine-readable and therefore searchable database. If anyone wants copies, or if anyone can help with preparing these documents for, of finding an accessible and stabile site for publication on the web, your input/suggestions are welcome. Dick Dick -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:41 AM Subject: Re: Can anyone I.D. this part, possibly from IBM 5100 >In case anyone's interested, I've found my missing manual for the OMTI 10A >SASI-bus-to-SA1000/Q2000 8" hard disk bridge controller and am scanning it. >I also have the manual for the XEBEC 1410, as well as the WD1000&1002-05, as >well as the 1000-55 and 1001 from Western Digital. All these will be >reduced to machine readable form eventually. > >If there's any urgency to your own need(s), let me know and I'll adjust the >priority accordingly. > >Dick > >-----Original Message----- >From: Wayne Smith <wsmith(a)gj.com> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 11:24 PM >Subject: Can anyone I.D. this part, possibly from IBM 5100 > > >>Last night I found a strange metal plate in one of the pockets of >>one of my IBM 5100 manuals. It is stainless steel. Link here for >>a scan: >> >>http://home.earthlink.net/~wmsmith/_uimages/plate.jpg >> >>Can anyone identify this? It does not appear related to >>DC300 tapes. Thanks, all. >> >>Wayne Smith >> >> >

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Wanted IBM S/360 doc.

by Henk.J.Stegeman＠is.shell.com

Hi, For years I am looking for some IBM 360/50 hardware manuals. I am VERY interested in copies of : - CE course material of this system - The so-called MDM manual of the IBM 360/50 - Theory of Operation of the IBM 360/50 Anyone on this list who can help me ending my search for these IBM manuals ? Henk Stegeman,

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Can anyone I.D. this part, possibly from IBM 5100

by edick＠idcomm.com

In case anyone's interested, I've found my missing manual for the OMTI 10A SASI-bus-to-SA1000/Q2000 8" hard disk bridge controller and am scanning it. I also have the manual for the XEBEC 1410, as well as the WD1000&1002-05, as well as the 1000-55 and 1001 from Western Digital. All these will be reduced to machine readable form eventually. If there's any urgency to your own need(s), let me know and I'll adjust the priority accordingly. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Smith <wsmith(a)gj.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 11:24 PM Subject: Can anyone I.D. this part, possibly from IBM 5100 >Last night I found a strange metal plate in one of the pockets of >one of my IBM 5100 manuals. It is stainless steel. Link here for >a scan: > >http://home.earthlink.net/~wmsmith/_uimages/plate.jpg > >Can anyone identify this? It does not appear related to >DC300 tapes. Thanks, all. > >Wayne Smith > >

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Intel OS DOC and SOURCE

by edick＠idcomm.com

Well, here's a list of what doc I've looked at so far, and, God be thanked, that's most of it. The format isTITLE followed by ORDER NUMBER # followed by number if more than 1. 8086/8087/8088 MACRO ASSEMBLER OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS 121624-001 rev A A USER'S GUIDE TO PROGRAM MANAGEMENT TOOLS 121958-00 ALTER TEXT EDITOR USER'S GUIDE 121956-001 BASIC-80 REFERENCE MANUAL 9800758-02 GUIDE TO WRITING DEVICE DRIVERS FOR THE iRMX 86 AND iRMX 88 I/O SYSTEMS 142926-003 INTELLEC DOUBLE DENSITY DISKETTE OPERATING SYSTEM HARDWARE REFERENCE MANUAL 98-422A INTELLEC SERIES II MICROCOMPUTER DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM HARDWARE INTERFACE MANUAL 9800555-02 rev B 2 INTELLEC SERIES III MICROCOMPUTER DEVELOPMENT CONSOLE OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS 121609-002 rev B INTRODUCTION TO THE iRMX 86 OPERATING SYSTEM 9803124-03 iRMX 86 BASIC I/O SYSTEM REFERENCE MANUAL 9803123-04 iRMX 86 CONFIGURATION GUIDE 9803126-04 iRMX 86 DEBUGGER REFERENCE MANUAL 143323-001 iRMX 86 EXTENDED I/O SYSTEM REFERENCE MANUAL 143308-001 iRMX 86 INSTALLATION GUIDE 983125-04 iRMX 86 NUCLEUS REFERENCE MANUAL 9803122-03 iRMX 86 PROGRAMMING TECHNIQUES 142982-002 iRMX 86 SYSTEM DEBUG MONITOR REFERENCE MANUAL 143908-001 ISIS-II CREDIT CRT-BASED TEXT EDITOR USER'S GUIDE 9800902-02 ISIS-II PL/M-80 COMPILER OPERATOR'S MANUAL 98-300B ISIS-II USER'S GUIDE 9800306-06 rev F 2 MCS-80/85 UTILITIES USER'S GUIDE 121617-001 rev A MCS-86 ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE CONVERTER OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS FOR ISIS-II USERS 9800624-02 MCS-86 MACRO ASSEMBLER OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS FOR ISIS-II USERS 9800641-02 MCS-86 MACRO ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE REFERENCE MANUAL 9800640-02 PASCAL-86 USER'S GUIDE 121539-003 PL/M-80 PROGRAMMING MANUAL 9800268B 2 PL/M-86 PROGRAMMING MANUAL FOR 8080/8085-BASED DEVELOPMENT SYSTEMS 9800466-03 rev C 3 There are only one or two other documents unless I discover a box or two more. Though the containter with the FD's says iAPX sources, I see no reference directly to iAPX on most of them. I've not examined them, however. For now, I've agreed to give the manuals to Hans Franke. I don't have time between now and VCF to get these scanned, so I'd like to arrange to get them scanned and published on some fairly stabile web site somewhere, so any help with the latter portion of this task would be appreciated. Since there's such a large volume of this stuff (about a 30-35 cm high stack (12"-14")) I was hoping to have it hauled out by someone going to VCF. Dick -----Original Message----- From: morrison(a)t-iii.com <morrison(a)t-iii.com> To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Cc: edick(a)idcomm.com <edick(a)idcomm.com> Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Intel OS DOC and SOURCE >Not sure if this is relevant, but the Xerox S/W that comes with many >scanners likes to read uncompressed TIFFs. > >Neil Morrison >email:morrison@t-iii.com > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Erlacher [SMTP:edick@idcomm.com] >> Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:41 PM >> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers >> Subject: Re: Intel OS DOC and SOURCE >> >> Well, I like my scanner because it has a sheetfeeder and because it's >> legal >> size, but, alas, it's only capable of a limited range of formats. After >> all, I've had the thing for nearly ten years. Now, if you have a way to >> massage the old style TIFF (targa) files into something better, perhaps >> that >> would be the thing to do. >> >> A lot depends on what requirements the TBD web host will have, and I'll >> perhaps hold off until a site is found. >> >> OTOH, I did sort of allow that since Hans Franke is going to be at the >> VCF, >> though I'm not, I can arrange to get this stuff hauled out there for him >> by >> someone from here who's going. I will have to see whether he's willing to >> get this stuff scanned and appropriately compressed, then made available >> via >> the web. >> >> Wait and see . . . >> >> Dick >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> >> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers >> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >> Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 6:57 PM >> Subject: Re: Intel OS DOC and SOURCE >> >> >> >"Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote: >> >> If there were a web site which would accomodate the many thousands of >> pages >> >> involved here I'd consider scanning the stuff and forwarding the >> bitmaps >> to >> >> whoever wants them. Now, keep in mind that a typical TIFF of a printed >> page >> >> in single-bit format is about 1 MB in size, and we're looking at a >> 1-2'-high >> >> stack of paper with both sides printed in most cases. LEt's see. . . a >> ream >> >> is about 1-3/4" = 500 sheets . . . let's say 10 reams . . . so we're >> looking >> >> at 10 GB, right (GAWD! . . . I hope I've miscalculated!) >> > >> >No, for text and line art, just use TIFF Class F Group 4 compression. >> >It's lossless, and for typical pages at 300 DPI it's only about 50K. >> >Intricate pages somtimes wind up around 100K-120K. >> > >> >And although not all software can deal with that format, the Group 4 >> >fax compression is one of the native formats for PDF, so I now supply >> >all of my scanned documents as PDF files. For a few examples, see: >> > http://www.36bit.org/dec/ >> > >> >Yes, I know that some people hate PDF format, and that you can't read >> >them on a Commodore 64 or PDP-11/05. To which I say, too bad. I got >> >many more complaints about other formats. Some people even wanted text >> >pages in JPEG format, which is just about the worst conceivable format >> >for them, since JPEG is a lossy format designed for continuous tone >> >images. >> > >> >I've hacked a version of the imagepdf program from Thomas Metz's PDFLIB >> >to directly import TIFF Class F Group 4 files into PDF files without >> >decompressing them, so that it's not necessary to buy the $300 Acrobat >> >program from Adobe. >> > >> >Eric

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Spiders, hazard of collecting junk?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I have to admit I am more than a little paranoid about spiders, and since <watching a brown recluse segment on PBS, I simply don't poke my fingers <into places I can't see. My other no computer collecting half was bitten by a Brown Recluse years ago at work (construction site trailer) and it was a nasty thing. I'm very wary as we do have black widows and brown recluse in New England and no doubt other nasty ones too. Most spiders that bite bring two risks their venom and infection with the later being sometime worse. take care and use Raid. Also most bug sprays are petroleum based and not good for computers or cases. Allison

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Spiders, hazard of collecting junk?

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Aaron Christopher Finney may have mentioned these words: >Coincidentally, relating my story to one of our clients brought a >brown-recluse horror story out: she was bitten by one at home in Texas, >went into a coma, and was paralyzed for nearly two weeks after. After more >than a month in the hospital, she eventually regained full motor >function and could speak without slurring...yikes. Yikes is a *severe* understatement! Lemme tell ya, the classic computer pickins' sure are slim up here, but stories like that make me damn glad to live on the Canadian border. I've heard a few people say that the brown recluse's might be able to survive up here, but I've never even heard of someone seeing one - let alone confronting one myself. [[ We have a lot of non-poisonous spiders up here in the summer and I get bitten once every month or so -- Most folks get a nickel-sized welt for 3-5 days and might itch for a while from a bite from one of the nastier species up here. Me? I usually get a dime-sized welt for 4-6 hours. Having been a beekeeper for a few years does have it's advantages! ;-) ]] Bringing this ontrack, tho: I *may* have stumbled across a mini-treasure of Commie equipment. From what I hear, it sounds like a decked-out 64, one of the real early PET's, and possibly a CBM machine. We'll see if this actually pans out. (It was used as a data collection device for a computerized farm feeding system. One of the first dozen installed in North America, from what I understand. This could be interesting...) Take care, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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Spiders, hazard of collecting junk?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<All I do is get the shop vac out andd suck out the case clean upon opening <Also, with winter oming on it doesn't hurt to leave the eqauipment outside <a day or two (sheltered) in subzero temps. Really good for killing off <spiders, roaches, etc. A good thing for many reasons. I've also been know to take really grungy stuff apart outdoors in the sun and litterally soap it up and hose it down. Never lost any equipment tht way but the stuff running out the bottom was often scary. Allison

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HP/UX, Passwords, and Rock 'n Roll.

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

I can't get in at all. If I had another system, I could mount the volume and jigger the /etc/passwd file. But I don't. I can't even boot the kernal manually-- Jeff On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:50:57 -0400 (EDT) "Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner" <spc(a)armigeron.com> writes: >It was thus said that the Great jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com once stated: >> >> >> Guys: >> >> I just scored a HP 9000/340 (I think), and the hard drive >> has HP/UX loaded on it. I don't know the root password, >> of course. Anybody know of a way to break into this, or >> should I wipe it and start over? > > Can you log into it at all, with any account? If not, and you can't >get >it on the network, then you might as well wipe the disk and start >over. If, >however, you can get logged in, check `/etc/passwd'. If each entry >looks >like: > > root:Anu2szvaCOvwg:0:0:root:/root:/bin/tcsh > >(where the `:' delimeted second field is all characters) then you have >a >chance by running the file through a UNIX password cracking program. >If, >however, it looks like: > > root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/tcsh > >or > > root:*:0:0:root:/root:/bin/tcsh > >you might as well wipe the disk and start over. That is, unless, the >person >you recieved it from knows the root password (or knows someone that >has the >root password). > > -spc (But only wipe the disk if you have a copy of the OS to >reinstall. > If not, there are still ways ... ) > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Wierd card in the Macintosh...

by owad＠applefritter.com

>It's an Apple IIe on a card. You probably need the software to make it run. Software is required, but it's probably on Apple's ftp site. If not, I remember seeing it in AOL's file libraries. >Incidentally, the card only works with the LC as far as I know. I believe it will work in a Color Classic, also. >The connector may be for adding a 5 1/4" disk drive. It uses the later 5.25" floppy drives (Unidisk?), not the Disk II drive. Tom Owad ---------------------------Applefritter--------------------------- Apple prototypes, Apple II & early Mac clones, and the Compubrick. ------------------<http://www.applefritter.com/>------------------

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Zilog reintroduces enhanced Z80!

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

><That eZ80 supposed to be 4x faster than original z80. Cool, nice to ><see a old dog with new tricks pop up again. >< ><It's on the slashdot.org, I saw it moments ago. > >???? What in the world are they babbling about? > > Well the original z80 was 2.5mhz and that was eclipsed some 10+ >years ago with Z80Hs and Z180s at greater than 10mhz. Now you can get >z180s in cmos to 33mhz and the 32bit wide Z380 (with native z80) to >20+mhz (in my 1996 data book, they are faster now). > >Where is the news? I suspect that it's only news to the slashdot crowd. "Two (or three) decade-old architecture still doing real work" is news for 99% of the folks out there, though it isn't to us :-). -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Zilog reintroduces enhanced Z80!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<That eZ80 supposed to be 4x faster than original z80. Cool, nice to <see a old dog with new tricks pop up again. < <It's on the slashdot.org, I saw it moments ago. ???? What in the world are they babbling about? Well the original z80 was 2.5mhz and that was eclipsed some 10+ years ago with Z80Hs and Z180s at greater than 10mhz. Now you can get z180s in cmos to 33mhz and the 32bit wide Z380 (with native z80) to 20+mhz (in my 1996 data book, they are faster now). Heck I'm building a system using 12.5mhz z280s as a step up from the cmos 84c010 (10mhz cmos z80s). Oh, all of these are close to 10 years old. Where is the news? Allison

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New (small!) toy.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Now I could access all hardware, but even within almost a year, <I couldn't discover the processor beneth - well, it was just <a complete hidden and 'non standard' design. Eventualy Sharp <published an assemb manual. I think the cpu was NEC 7806, 6k rom 128bytes ram plus external bus and IO. The chip is z80 registers but NOT z80 compatable instruction set. It's bigger brother is the 78pg11 and friends. Allison

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Super Tech DAD-1 SS-50 board with a SWTPc 6809?

by morrison＠t-iii.com

PS Speaking of Don Lancaster, whatever happened to Bill Barden? Neil Morrison email:morrison@t-iii.com

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Can anyone I.D. this part, possibly from IBM 5100

by wsmith＠gj.com

Last night I found a strange metal plate in one of the pockets of one of my IBM 5100 manuals. It is stainless steel. Link here for a scan: http://home.earthlink.net/~wmsmith/_uimages/plate.jpg Can anyone identify this? It does not appear related to DC300 tapes. Thanks, all. Wayne Smith

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Super Tech DAD-1 SS-50 board with a SWTPc 6809?

by morrison＠t-iii.com

My first thought is to try:- Don Lancaster's The Guru's Lair http://www.tinaja.com because I seem to remember him being involved with South West Technical Products Neil Morrison email:morrison@t-iii.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike [SMTP:dogas@leading.net] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 3:18 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Super Tech DAD-1 SS-50 board with a SWTPc 6809? > > Got one, no docs, dont know what it does... Does anyone? > > Thanks > - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net >

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Getting ready for VCF III?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

It's creeping up! A little over two weeks left... In case anyone has been curious, or not... B^} A couple of shots from within the depths of The Computer Garage of one of the Altairs hard at work backing up disks for the VCF Faire exhibit have made their way onto the 'Events and Appearances' page of the Computer Garage web site. Disorganized? Who me??? -jim --- jimw(a)computergarage.org The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Super Tech DAD-1 SS-50 board with a SWTPc 6809?

by dogas＠leading.net

Got one, no docs, dont know what it does... Does anyone? Thanks - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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Zilog reintroduces enhanced Z80!

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>That eZ80 supposed to be 4x faster than original z80. Cool, nice to >see a old dog with new tricks pop up again. Just 4X faster? What about the Z180, Z280, and Z380, which are even faster than that and have been available for years? And, from what I can see (at http://www.zilog.com/ and http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG19990920S0022 ) it's not an actual chip, but a design that you have to license to build into your own FPGA/VLSI design. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Help with QBus board identification

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>> Is it possible to put a Unibus board in a qbus system, I know it >> won't work, but will it physically fit into the backplane? >Yes. Unibus and Qbus boards (and Omnibus boards for that matter) all use >the same connectors -- 36 pin (18 pins to a side) 0.125" pitch edge >connectors. A Quad-height board (4 connectors) for any of those buses is >the same physical size. > >Putting a board in the 'wrong' system normally causes other things not to >work, and may even cause damage, though. I'm afraid that I was "wrong" about the board in the system. Digging through my old Digital Pathways paperwork, I see that: TCU-50 = Q-bus TOY clock TCU-150 = Unibus TOY clock My fault for relying on the "U" as meaning "Unibus" ! Tim.

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Real Apple 1 Sale!

by morrison＠t-iii.com

GONE!! Bidding is closed for this item Bidding History (in order of bid amount): oldcomputers (14) Last bid at: $19,200.00 Date of bid: 09/19/99, 20:15:40 PDT big-surf (149) Last bid at: $19,100.00 Date of bid: 09/19/99, 21:02:05 PDT apple-1 (82) Last bid at: $9,999.00 Date of bid: 09/19/99, 19:54:44 PDT spacenut (32) Last bid at: $8,100.00 Date of bid: 09/19/99, 18:33:58 PDT ciscoboy (70) Last bid at: $7,500.00 Date of bid: 09/19/99, 17:59:25 PDT mpz(a)earthlink.net (13) Last bid at: $7,000.00 Date of bid: 09/18/99, 21:33:43 PDT micromd (13) Last bid at: $6,000.00 Date of bid: 09/19/99, 09:03:46 PDT wind58 (13) Last bid at: $3,100.00 Date of bid: 09/17/99, 06:37:51 PDT pepe95 (1) Last bid at: $3,000.00 Date of bid: 09/15/99, 07:12:42 PDT george(a)racsys.rt.rain.com (8) Last bid at: $3,000.00 Date of bid: 09/15/99, 07:52:08 PDT sieler (39) Last bid at: $1,550.66 Date of bid: 09/13/99, 16:12:14 PDT retrobyte (16) Last bid at: $1,500.00 Date of bid: 09/12/99, 18:49:11 PDT sulumor (3) Last bid at: $1,000.50 Date of bid: 09/12/99, 15:55:34 PDT geary(a)acm.org (19) Last bid at: $950.00 Date of bid: 09/12/99, 13:20:08 PDT *!* (46) Last bid at: $888.00 Date of bid: 09/10/99, 22:20:59 PDT tjboldt (2) Last bid at: $686.00 Date of bid: 09/10/99, 22:29:23 PDT wetmouse (177) Last bid at: $656.66 Date of bid: 09/10/99, 22:02:00 PDT cyberjobe (0) Last bid at: $600.00 Date of bid: 09/10/99, 14:17:18 PDT interneter (30) Last bid at: $575.00 Date of bid: 09/10/99, 07:45:41 PDT mtmori(a)sycard.com (90) Last bid at: $530.00 Date of bid: 09/10/99, 09:21:17 PDT design.fort (19) Last bid at: $510.00 Date of bid: 09/10/99, 05:21:39 PDT joro-42 (19) Last bid at: $500.00 Date of bid: 09/09/99, 23:52:13 PDT > -----Original Message----- > From: Innfogra(a)aol.com [SMTP:Innfogra@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:44 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Real Apple 1 Sale! > > I think this is a real Apple 1 sale, and in my own backyard. > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=162334931 > > Less than 2 days to go. > > Paxton

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Intel OS DOC and SOURCE

by morrison＠t-iii.com

Not sure if this is relevant, but the Xerox S/W that comes with many scanners likes to read uncompressed TIFFs. Neil Morrison email:morrison@t-iii.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [SMTP:edick@idcomm.com] > Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:41 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Intel OS DOC and SOURCE > > Well, I like my scanner because it has a sheetfeeder and because it's > legal > size, but, alas, it's only capable of a limited range of formats. After > all, I've had the thing for nearly ten years. Now, if you have a way to > massage the old style TIFF (targa) files into something better, perhaps > that > would be the thing to do. > > A lot depends on what requirements the TBD web host will have, and I'll > perhaps hold off until a site is found. > > OTOH, I did sort of allow that since Hans Franke is going to be at the > VCF, > though I'm not, I can arrange to get this stuff hauled out there for him > by > someone from here who's going. I will have to see whether he's willing to > get this stuff scanned and appropriately compressed, then made available > via > the web. > > Wait and see . . . > > Dick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: Intel OS DOC and SOURCE > > > >"Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote: > >> If there were a web site which would accomodate the many thousands of > pages > >> involved here I'd consider scanning the stuff and forwarding the > bitmaps > to > >> whoever wants them. Now, keep in mind that a typical TIFF of a printed > page > >> in single-bit format is about 1 MB in size, and we're looking at a > 1-2'-high > >> stack of paper with both sides printed in most cases. LEt's see. . . a > ream > >> is about 1-3/4" = 500 sheets . . . let's say 10 reams . . . so we're > looking > >> at 10 GB, right (GAWD! . . . I hope I've miscalculated!) > > > >No, for text and line art, just use TIFF Class F Group 4 compression. > >It's lossless, and for typical pages at 300 DPI it's only about 50K. > >Intricate pages somtimes wind up around 100K-120K. > > > >And although not all software can deal with that format, the Group 4 > >fax compression is one of the native formats for PDF, so I now supply > >all of my scanned documents as PDF files. For a few examples, see: > > http://www.36bit.org/dec/ > > > >Yes, I know that some people hate PDF format, and that you can't read > >them on a Commodore 64 or PDP-11/05. To which I say, too bad. I got > >many more complaints about other formats. Some people even wanted text > >pages in JPEG format, which is just about the worst conceivable format > >for them, since JPEG is a lossy format designed for continuous tone > >images. > > > >I've hacked a version of the imagepdf program from Thomas Metz's PDFLIB > >to directly import TIFF Class F Group 4 files into PDF files without > >decompressing them, so that it's not necessary to buy the $300 Acrobat > >program from Adobe. > > > >Eric

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HP/UX, Passwords, and Rock 'n Roll.

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Guys: I just scored a HP 9000/340 (I think), and the hard drive has HP/UX loaded on it. I don't know the root password, of course. Anybody know of a way to break into this, or should I wipe it and start over? Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Help with QBus board identification

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I have a QBus board that I would like to identify. Its made >by Digital Pathways and the model number is TCU-50 Rev A. It >is a quad size board and there are three small batteries in >the top right corner of the board. There are no peripheral >connectors on the card, so I figure its some type of clock >or possibly a small amount of battery backed up storage (the >machine it was take from was used for collecting process >data). Any ideas of what it might be? It's not a Q-bus board - what you have there is a Unibus clock board. (There is a Q-bus version, not surprisingly called the TCQ-150.) I posted Y2K patches to the Digital Pathways supplied RT-11 clock-reading routines on vmsnet.pdp-11 a few years back, if you want to put this board to use. Accessing the clock board is very simple; it's four words from 160770 through 160776. The first word contains the date (not in RT-11 bit order) as year (7 bits), month (5 bits), and day (5 bits), the second word has the hour and minute, the third word has the number of seconds, and the fourth word has the number of clock ticks. With 100% certainty, you'll need to replace the batteries on the board. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Kaypro PC-10?

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 09:58:54 -0700, wsmith(a)gj.com said: >Has anyone ever heard of a "Kaypro PC-10"? The Kaypro PC models I am >familiar with are the 16 and 2000. Someone is selling a manual for a PC-10 >on eBay: >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=164605910 >My guess is that it is an abortive non-portable PC effort. It might be the same Kaypro XT clone that was sold by Ahrend in The Netherlands. This was a very interesting machine. It had a passive backplane, and the computer itself was on two cards. 8 Mhz V20, 20MB hard disk, Hercules monochrome. Built like a tank, very reliable. An autodetecting keyboard came with it, you could plug it in an XT or an AT and it would always work. Ahrend did not sell too many of them, after a few years they went out of the computer business (they are an office furniture company originally). Kees. -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - kees.stravers(a)iae.nl http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/ my Computer Home page http://www.vaxarchive.org/ documentation on old VAX systems http://vaxarchive.sevensages.org/ VAXarchive mirror Net-Tamer V1.08.1 - Registered

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HP/UX, Passwords, and Rock 'n Roll.

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

You can boot the system in single user mode, remount / as read/write, then use the passwd command to change the password. Reboot in multiuser, and you should be ok. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 7:32 AM Subject: Re: HP/UX, Passwords, and Rock 'n Roll. >> >> Guys: >> >> I just scored a HP 9000/340 (I think), and the hard drive >> has HP/UX loaded on it. I don't know the root password, >> of course. Anybody know of a way to break into this, or >> should I wipe it and start over? >> >> >> Jeff > >One possibility is booting up NetBSD or OpenBSD and using >vi to blank out the password fields or using it to create a user >account with no password and a SUID copy of a Unix shell. > >Bill > >--- > bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org > Three things never anger: First, the one who runs your DEC, > The one who does Field Service and the one who signs your check. >

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New (small!) toy.

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Dropped by a hamfest today. Got a DD11-DK, a RX11 board, and a Macintosh LC. Also got my newest and smallest toy yet! It looks like a large calculator, and it's a little weatherbeaten, but it's a computer. It's a silver obling piece badges as a "TRS-80 Pocket Computer". It seems to undestand a subset of BASIC, it has a printer/cassette interface (as a seperate unit, and the printer ribbon is shot), and acts like any other TRS-80 I've met so far. I have no clue as of the capabilities and limitations of this piece - Anyone got any information? The LCD is cracked (t was dropped) and the case is pretty beaten, but it seems to work fine. I'm probably going to open it shortly, something inside it is rattling around. Anyone else know any more about the unit? This looks neat enough I might try to scan pictures of it and post them somewhere. -------

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Arachnid Eradication...

by af-list＠lafleur.wfi-inc.com

A question for those who might have worked as exterminators putting themselves through college... Are there any potential risks to my old beauties by bug-bombing the garage? I have had enough; I am still recovering from the effects of a black widow bite I sustained while (stooopidly) reaching inside the main cabinet of my HP-3000/37 the other day. Not too serious, apparently I'm not particularly allergic and it was a rather mild bite, but I've felt like I've had the flu for a few days. My doctor was amused that I got it fooling around with computer artifacts, though, which led to me possibly (crossed-fingers) inheriting some nifty old proprietary medical gear. I'd like to just set off a few foggers in there, but my dilemma is that if I cover up the gear with plastic well enough to keep the spray out, the nasty little bastards may survive. Anyone done this? Thoughts? Aaron

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firefox

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

>I have a VaxStation 3520 in the garage that seems to boot. If you either yank the graphics cards or hold the halt button in during reset it'll use the MMJ as a serial console. >It seems like a really nice box >except for the BI bus That's M-Bus, not VAXBI. >(it has Qbus too!), If you have the FTAM (Firefox Tape Adapter Module), you can only use QBus devices that can tolerate upwards of 20 microseconds bus latency (I have a specially modified RQDX3 somewhere...). If you have the FQAM (Firefox QBus Adapter Module, designed after it became apparent that FTAM was in trouble) the latencies are acceptable but the QBus throughput is only about 250KB/s. Welcome to the magic of write-back cache. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Help with QBus board identification

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I assume that the board is mis-labelled or some mistake has >been made, since I removed it from a working qbus system (an 11/73). >Is it possible to put a Unibus board in a qbus system, I know it >won't work, but will it physically fit into the backplane? Yes, it will fit. If it was in there, well, then, maybe it really is the Q-bus version. (Or my memory of TCU vs TCQ has faded...) For that matter, Omnibus boards fit into Unibus and Q-bus backplanes too... >I had trouble setting the clock on this system, maybe this is >the reason. If the RT-11 "TIME" command isn't incrementing, that has nothing to do with the TCU - it's an indication that the line time clock (60Hz for us) interrupt is somehow disabled. With the board in, does it respond at its standard addresses of 160770 - 160776? If so, then it's installed in the right sort of system. You ought to see the value at 160774 incrementing once per second if the clock is indeed ticking. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Help with QBus board identification

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I have a QBus board that I would like to identify. Its made >by Digital Pathways and the model number is TCU-50 Rev A. It >is a quad size board and there are three small batteries in >the top right corner of the board. There are no peripheral >connectors on the card, so I figure its some type of clock >or possibly a small amount of battery backed up storage (the >machine it was take from was used for collecting process >data). Any ideas of what it might be? It's not a Q-bus board - what you have there is a Unibus clock board. (There is a Q-bus version, not surprisingly called the TCQ-150.) I posted Y2K patches to the Digital Pathways supplied RT-11 clock-reading routines on vmsnet.pdp-11 a few years back, if you want to put this board to use. Accessing the clock board is very simple; it's four words from 160770 through 160776. The first word contains the date (not in RT-11 bit order) as year (7 bits), month (5 bits), and day (5 bits), the second word has the hour and minute, the third word has the number of seconds, and the fourth word has the number of clock ticks. With 100% certainty, you'll need to replace the batteries on the board. -- Dr. Mark Green mark(a)cs.ualberta.ca Professor (780) 492-4584 Director, Research Institute for Multimedia Systems (RIMS) Department of Computing Science (780) 492-1071 (FAX) University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, T6G 2H1, Canada

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Help with QBus board identification

by mark＠cs.ualberta.ca

I have a QBus board that I would like to identify. Its made by Digital Pathways and the model number is TCU-50 Rev A. It is a quad size board and there are three small batteries in the top right corner of the board. There are no peripheral connectors on the card, so I figure its some type of clock or possibly a small amount of battery backed up storage (the machine it was take from was used for collecting process data). Any ideas of what it might be? -- Dr. Mark Green mark(a)cs.ualberta.ca Professor (780) 492-4584 Director, Research Institute for Multimedia Systems (RIMS) Department of Computing Science (780) 492-1071 (FAX) University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, T6G 2H1, Canada

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NCR Safari 3115

by max82＠surfree.com

Hi, Has anyone come across this machine before? It's a rubber-coated pen Windows machine. Does anybody have any info on it? I just got one at the MIT Flea today and am having some problems booting it.

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Kaypro PC-10?

by wsmith＠gj.com

Has anyone ever heard of a "Kaypro PC-10"? The Kaypro PC models I am familiar with are the 16 and 2000. Someone is selling a manual for a PC-10 on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=164605910 My guess is that it is an abortive non-portable PC effort.

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vaxarchive (was: Re: Find of the day)

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:53:25 -0600 (MDT), vaxman(a)oldy.crwolff.com said: 8< snip helpful vms info >8 >> Thanks for all the info! >> >Welcome! try http://vaxarchive.org for more stuff... They seem to >be having trouble staying up though, so try at different times of >the day. VAXarchive has indeed been down for a while, but it will be back! The IP number of the machine hosting www.vaxarchive.org has been changed, and there was a problem updating the name servers. It should be fixed soon. In the mean time you can use the mirror at http://vaxarchive.sevensages.org www.vaxarchive.org is the new name of vaxarchive.ml.org, it had to get a new name after the ml.org service went away. I'm glad you mentioned the site, makes me feel I'm not maintaining it for nothing :-) Kees. -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - kees.stravers(a)iae.nl http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/ my Computer Home page http://www.vaxarchive.org/ documentation on old VAX systems http://vaxarchive.sevensages.org/ VAXarchive mirror Net-Tamer V1.08.1 - Registered

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Kaypro PC-10?

by markiw＠prodigy.net

-----Original Message----- From: Wayne Smith <wsmith(a)gj.com> >Has anyone ever heard of a "Kaypro PC-10"? The Kaypro PC models I am familiar with are the 16 and 2000. Someone is selling a manual for a PC-10 on eBay: > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=164605910 > >My guess is that it is an abortive non-portable PC effort. > Yes, my boss owned a KayPro desktop XT or maybe it was an AT clone back in 1987. I got some of my work done on it that summer. I am not sure, but I would imagine that that was the PC-10 or whatever back then. The 10 probably meant the size of the HDD. I remember comparing it to the KayPro 2X I used at home and finding the CP/M machine to be faster. One of the reasons I didn't upgrade until 1993. (I upgraded to a $50 Packard Hell XT that I still have :-) I have looked at Ebay and notice that the KayPro CP/M machines don't seem to bring in much money. Makes me feel better about giving mine away in 1996. Regards, Jim, Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club Web Ring, www.TonkinYachts.cjb.net Life is an endless struggle full of frustrations and challenges, but eventually you find a hairstyle you like.

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eBay auction rules for ending

by mbg＠world.std.com

>This agrees with my statement. Note that you do not have to cancel bids if >the reserve was not met and you don't want to sell. And your "valid reason" >need be nothing more than you felt like it. Yes, you are obligated to sell >to the legitimate high bidder (which presumably happened in the HP2114 >case) Ah - but if you look further into the rules for cancelling, it states: >You should only cancel bids if you have a good reason to. Also, please >remember that bids cannot be reinstated once they've been canceled. Here >are a few examples of a legitimate cancellation: > > Bidder contacts you to back out of the bid. > You cannot verify the identity of the bidder, after trying all > reasonable means of contact. > You want to end your auction early because you no longer want to sell > your item. In this case you must cancel all bids on your auction > before ending the auction. Note the last one here... "because you no longer want to sell your item". This is not the same as no longer wanting to sell your item *on ebay* because you have been offerred more off ebay... I guess my feeling is that what the seller did was unethical since he did want to sell the item. If he wanted to sell the item, and put it up for bid, then he is accepting the risk, like anyone else, of not getting what they would like for it. That should not be sufficient cause for stopping the auction and making those who bid in good faith suffer from his greediness. >Because your cancellation will be put in the bidding history for this >auction, bidders may ask you to explain your cancellation. So, please >include a one-line explanation of your cancellation for the official >record. And from all the questions about what happened to the auction, and why it was ended early... it would appear the seller didn't even do this. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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New (small!) toy.

by dogas＠leading.net

>it's a computer. It's a silver obling piece badges as a "TRS-80 Pocket >>Computer". It seems to undestand a subset of BASIC, it has a printer/cassette >>interface (as a seperate unit, and the printer ribbon is shot), and acts >>like any other TRS-80 I've met so far. They were also manditory purchases for freshmen for DeVry Institute's EET courses circa '84 ;) Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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5262 on ebay

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

anyone need/want a HUGE printer? theres a 5262 line printer for twinax on ebay at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=162820647 we have one at work, makes a great worktable and/or paperweight

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Help with Classic Modem: USR Password 1200

by elmo＠hotpop.com

Does anyone have documentation on the USR Password Modem? I have two of them I'd like to press back into service, but haven't a clue how to set the password/callback control. Web searching on "USR Password Modem" yields amusing, if not predictable, but irrelevant results. Regards, Elmo

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Find of the day

by cem14＠cornell.edu

Today I hauled in something that I have no experience whatsoever with, but that I'm sure most people in classiccmp own: a microvax II. I don't know if it works, or how to hook a terminal to it to test it. Here's what I've been able to gather: Cards: Slot description 1 CPU? it has two interesting-looking chips: 1: LSILIA 0485, 21-23413-01, DC379, TAC 8546 2: LSILIA 0486, 21-23389-01, DC379, CAC 8544 This is connected to a DB9M in the back panel (console goes here? what is the pinout? what is the funny-labeled rotary switch next to it?) 2 nemonix memory board, holds 56 TC511000AP-10 chips 3 dec memory board, holds 144 41256-212141302 chips 4 dec board, some labels are: LPWR M94V-1 25787, and "M7516" in the extraction handle; connected to a DB15F in the back panel 5 dec board, (disk controller?), reads M7555 in the extraction handle, connected to what seems to be an older RLL hard drive Hard drive: RD53-A rev A label in the back panel: Model: 630QB-A2 product variation: changed from 630QB-A2 to DH630Q4E2 by WFD. So what exactly is this beast and how can I test if it works? Best regards, Carlos.

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INFO-PDP11 mailing list needs to move soon!

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, mark acierno wrote: >is there a pdp8 mailing list???? There certainly is... PDP8-LOVERS: Contact: pdp8-lovers-owner(a)onelist.com (James E. Carpenter) Purpose: To facilitate communication and cooperation between owners of vintage DEC computers, specifically, but not limited to, the PDP-8 series of minicomputers. The list is gatewayed to the Usenet newsgroup alt.sys.pdp8. http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/pdp8-lovers To subscribe, send email to pdp8-lovers-subscribe(a)onelist.com Listserver: ONElist Another important PDP-8 online resources is the Usenet newsgroup "alt.sys.pdp8", which gets a copy of Doug Jones' FAQ every two months (also readable at http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/ ). -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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INFO-PDP11 mailing list needs to move soon!

by macierno＠hotmail.com

is there a pdp8 mailing list???? mark acierno >From: "Jay West" <jlwest(a)tseinc.com> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: INFO-PDP11 mailing list needs to move soon! >Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:04:23 -0500 > >I have a full time domain, and a burstable 10mb ethernet connection to two >major backbones. I'd be willing to host the mailing list, and if desired >would consider "absorbing" the charge of registering a domain just for the >list. > >Jay West >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Date: Saturday, September 18, 1999 1:43 AM >Subject: FW: INFO-PDP11 mailing list needs to move soon! > > > > If any of you have a full-time domain under your control, and could > >consider hosting the INFO-PDP11 mailing list server, please contact Pat > >Barron as noted in the attached message. > > > > Thanks. Attachment follows. > > > >-=-=- <snip> -=-=- > > > >On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:29:53 -0400 (EDT), in vmsnet.pdp-11 you wrote: > > > >>>From: Pat Barron <pat(a)transarc.com> > >>>Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11 > >>>Subject: INFO-PDP11 mailing list needs to move soon! > >>>Message-ID: ><Pine.GSO.3.96.990914180619.11989A-100000(a)smithfield.transarc.ibm.com> > >>>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:29:53 -0400 (EDT) > >>>Organization: Info-Pdp11<==>Vmsnet.Pdp-11 Gateway > >>>X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List > >>>Lines: 19 > >>>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >>>Mime-Version: 1.0 > >>>Path: >news1.jps.net!news-west.eli.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.ne >t!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!mvb.saic.com!info-pdp11 > >>>Xref: news1.jps.net vmsnet.pdp-11:71 > >>> > >>>Due to some logistical changes at work, it appears that I will not be > >>>able to host the INFO-PDP11 mailing list here for much longer. I am > >>>currently seeking a volunteer to take over the care and feeding of this > >>>mailing list. The ideal candidate should have a mail server under >his/her > >>>direct control, with good Internet connectivity. If you use an > >>>automated list maintenance package like Majordomo, the actual time > >>>required for list administration is not substantial. If you might > >>>be willing to take on this task, please drop me a note and let me know. > >>> > >>>I have maintained this list for the last 11 years or so, and I've been > >>>very glad over that time to take care of this discussion list. The >PDP-11 > >>>was the first "real" computer I ever used, and it was where I got all >of > >>>my early experience with Unix kernel hacking, so it still holds a >special > >>>place in my heart. However, for good or bad, it appears that I will > >>>[finally! ;-)] need to move on to other things - though even if/when >the > >>>list does move, I'll still be a reader! > >>> > >>>--Pat. > > > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > >Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, > >Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com > >Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com > >"...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an >object, > >event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define >any of them..." > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Intel OS DOC and SOURCE

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Richard wrote... >First of all, there are doc's relating to ISIS-II which (IIRC) was the 8-bit >development environment of the very early '80's. That reminds me... I'm trying to dig up an old contact who was the original owner of an ISIS system like you mention. As I recall it was blue, a large bulky perfectly square monitor, and there was an 8" floppy drive in the monitor case. There was a hex keypad on the main bottom board too vaguely like the heathkit H8. I'm somewhat confident that he still has the machine and would give it up, I just haven't had the time to contact him. If anything comes up I'll let the list know... Jay West

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INFO-PDP11 mailing list needs to move soon!

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

I have a full time domain, and a burstable 10mb ethernet connection to two major backbones. I'd be willing to host the mailing list, and if desired would consider "absorbing" the charge of registering a domain just for the list. Jay West -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, September 18, 1999 1:43 AM Subject: FW: INFO-PDP11 mailing list needs to move soon! > If any of you have a full-time domain under your control, and could >consider hosting the INFO-PDP11 mailing list server, please contact Pat >Barron as noted in the attached message. > > Thanks. Attachment follows. > >-=-=- <snip> -=-=- > >On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:29:53 -0400 (EDT), in vmsnet.pdp-11 you wrote: > >>>From: Pat Barron <pat(a)transarc.com> >>>Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11 >>>Subject: INFO-PDP11 mailing list needs to move soon! >>>Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990914180619.11989A-100000(a)smithfield.transarc.ibm.com> >>>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:29:53 -0400 (EDT) >>>Organization: Info-Pdp11<==>Vmsnet.Pdp-11 Gateway >>>X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List >>>Lines: 19 >>>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >>>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>>Path: news1.jps.net!news-west.eli.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.ne t!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!mvb.saic.com!info-pdp11 >>>Xref: news1.jps.net vmsnet.pdp-11:71 >>> >>>Due to some logistical changes at work, it appears that I will not be >>>able to host the INFO-PDP11 mailing list here for much longer. I am >>>currently seeking a volunteer to take over the care and feeding of this >>>mailing list. The ideal candidate should have a mail server under his/her >>>direct control, with good Internet connectivity. If you use an >>>automated list maintenance package like Majordomo, the actual time >>>required for list administration is not substantial. If you might >>>be willing to take on this task, please drop me a note and let me know. >>> >>>I have maintained this list for the last 11 years or so, and I've been >>>very glad over that time to take care of this discussion list. The PDP-11 >>>was the first "real" computer I ever used, and it was where I got all of >>>my early experience with Unix kernel hacking, so it still holds a special >>>place in my heart. However, for good or bad, it appears that I will >>>[finally! ;-)] need to move on to other things - though even if/when the >>>list does move, I'll still be a reader! >>> >>>--Pat. > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, >Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com >Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com >"...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, >event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..." >

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Real Apple 1 Sale!

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I think this is a real Apple 1 sale, and in my own backyard. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=162334931 Less than 2 days to go. Paxton

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FW: INFO-PDP11 mailing list needs to move soon!

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

If any of you have a full-time domain under your control, and could consider hosting the INFO-PDP11 mailing list server, please contact Pat Barron as noted in the attached message. Thanks. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:29:53 -0400 (EDT), in vmsnet.pdp-11 you wrote: >>From: Pat Barron <pat(a)transarc.com> >>Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11 >>Subject: INFO-PDP11 mailing list needs to move soon! >>Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990914180619.11989A-100000(a)smithfield.transarc.ibm.com> >>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:29:53 -0400 (EDT) >>Organization: Info-Pdp11<==>Vmsnet.Pdp-11 Gateway >>X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List >>Lines: 19 >>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Path: news1.jps.net!news-west.eli.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!mvb.saic.com!info-pdp11 >>Xref: news1.jps.net vmsnet.pdp-11:71 >> >>Due to some logistical changes at work, it appears that I will not be >>able to host the INFO-PDP11 mailing list here for much longer. I am >>currently seeking a volunteer to take over the care and feeding of this >>mailing list. The ideal candidate should have a mail server under his/her >>direct control, with good Internet connectivity. If you use an >>automated list maintenance package like Majordomo, the actual time >>required for list administration is not substantial. If you might >>be willing to take on this task, please drop me a note and let me know. >> >>I have maintained this list for the last 11 years or so, and I've been >>very glad over that time to take care of this discussion list. The PDP-11 >>was the first "real" computer I ever used, and it was where I got all of >>my early experience with Unix kernel hacking, so it still holds a special >>place in my heart. However, for good or bad, it appears that I will >>[finally! ;-)] need to move on to other things - though even if/when the >>list does move, I'll still be a reader! >> >>--Pat. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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Intel OS DOC and SOURCE

by edick＠idcomm.com

Well, I like my scanner because it has a sheetfeeder and because it's legal size, but, alas, it's only capable of a limited range of formats. After all, I've had the thing for nearly ten years. Now, if you have a way to massage the old style TIFF (targa) files into something better, perhaps that would be the thing to do. A lot depends on what requirements the TBD web host will have, and I'll perhaps hold off until a site is found. OTOH, I did sort of allow that since Hans Franke is going to be at the VCF, though I'm not, I can arrange to get this stuff hauled out there for him by someone from here who's going. I will have to see whether he's willing to get this stuff scanned and appropriately compressed, then made available via the web. Wait and see . . . Dick -----Original Message----- From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Intel OS DOC and SOURCE >"Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote: >> If there were a web site which would accomodate the many thousands of pages >> involved here I'd consider scanning the stuff and forwarding the bitmaps to >> whoever wants them. Now, keep in mind that a typical TIFF of a printed page >> in single-bit format is about 1 MB in size, and we're looking at a 1-2'-high >> stack of paper with both sides printed in most cases. LEt's see. . . a ream >> is about 1-3/4" = 500 sheets . . . let's say 10 reams . . . so we're looking >> at 10 GB, right (GAWD! . . . I hope I've miscalculated!) > >No, for text and line art, just use TIFF Class F Group 4 compression. >It's lossless, and for typical pages at 300 DPI it's only about 50K. >Intricate pages somtimes wind up around 100K-120K. > >And although not all software can deal with that format, the Group 4 >fax compression is one of the native formats for PDF, so I now supply >all of my scanned documents as PDF files. For a few examples, see: > http://www.36bit.org/dec/ > >Yes, I know that some people hate PDF format, and that you can't read >them on a Commodore 64 or PDP-11/05. To which I say, too bad. I got >many more complaints about other formats. Some people even wanted text >pages in JPEG format, which is just about the worst conceivable format >for them, since JPEG is a lossy format designed for continuous tone >images. > >I've hacked a version of the imagepdf program from Thomas Metz's PDFLIB >to directly import TIFF Class F Group 4 files into PDF files without >decompressing them, so that it's not necessary to buy the $300 Acrobat >program from Adobe. > >Eric

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eBay auction rules for ending

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/17/99 11:33:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fpp(a)concentric.net writes: > eBay does not allow bidding on one's own auctions. > well of course! that's just being a shill which they've really tried to crack down on. -->this message printed on recycled disk space. visit the computers of yesteryear at: http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm

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eBay auction rules for ending

by fpp＠concentric.net

eBay does not allow bidding on one's own auctions.

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TRS-80 stash available for best offer

by siconic＠jasmine.psyber.com

Shelton Caruthers <SCaruthers(a)compuserve.com> has a pile of some neat TRS-80 stuff that he's wanting to sell for the best offer. Please discuss details with Shelton. I am just passing this message along. I think he will sell items separately but you have to discuss it with him. Please reply directly to Shelton. Reply-to: SCaruthers(a)compuserve.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:56:46 -0400 From: "Shelton D. Caruthers" <SCaruthers(a)compuserve.com> The following is a somewhat-complete list of the items: HARDWARE (with all manuals): TRS-80 Model 4 (working) with 128K RAM, 2 internal 5.25 drives 2 external 5.25 drives TRS-80 Line Printer VIII Modem II (300 b) Orch-90 Music Synthesizer TRS-80 Pocket Computer (with slight LCD damage) PC printer/cassett interface (ie, docking station w/printer) "Leather" case Realistic cassette player TRS-80 Pocket Computer Model 2 (with manuals) additional 8K RAM module "Leather" case Color Plotter/cassett interface RS-232 interface TRS-80 Modem I SOFTWARE (with manuals): TRS-DOS v6 (pre year 1986 bug fix) Profile 4 Plus Deskmate (for later Tandy PC) Microcom for Model III Model 4 Hi Res Graphics Utilities Super Scripsit (w/ audio tape training course) Super Scripsit Dictionary TRS-80 Disk Mailing List (Model I) Series I Editor/Assembler (Model I/III) TRS-80 Videotex/Compuserve Information Manager (Model I) Other misc. games and utilities... Pocket Computer Software: Personal Finance Games (multiple versions) Statistics Banners Other... Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)verio.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Puttin' the smack down on the man! Coming this October 2-3: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0! See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details [Last web site update: 09/17/99]

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