- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 01:38 PM 10/27/99 -0700, you wrote: >> Pick a centralized location for your hub, and home-run all the wires there. > >Probably should make one thing clear here, as long as it's just the one room >and the garage, I plan on simply running one cable and connecting a hub in >the house to a hub in the garage. Well heck, why didn't you say so! We thought you wanted to do a complete bow to stern wiring project. Since you mentioned you wanted to do this the easiest way possible, get a 50' or 100' patch cord, and connect an MDI (uplink) port on one of your hubs to a MDIX (regular) on the other. If you don't have an MDI port, then you have a couple of options: 1) If one of your hubs has an AUI port (db15, like a PC game port), just get a transceiver. 2) Make the patch cord into a crossover by cutting off one end and putting on a new plug with a different wire order. Lance Costanzo Advant, Inc. 1-800-824-8418 lance(a)advantinc.com Support Solutions for HP Systems http://www.advantinc.com

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Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables

by danburrows＠mindspring.com

>>Probably should make one thing clear here, as long as it's just the one room >>and the garage, I plan on simply running one cable and connecting a hub in >>the house to a hub in the garage. > >It's fallen a bit out of fashion in the past few years, but 10Base2 >(50-ohm RG58 Coax) is particularly useful for the "home runs" between >twisted-pair hubs. Many twisted-pair hubs come with Coax connectors for >just this purpose. That is exactly what I do between the office and house. Between buildings is a little over 300 feet so by the time it goes to the hubs at each end it is easily 400+ feet. From what I recall that is a little over what the 10BaseT spec was. Considering you have your systems clustered and some are at 100BaseT I would not even consider using the old phone wire between the hubs. I agree it is a PITA to pull wire - I had a 4 inch conduit for over a year between the house and the office before I got around to pulling the thinwire through. Dan

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Ongoing excavations - PDP-8/e

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Well done!. The 8/e is a machine that I like -- it's pretty easy to > understand, and an elegant instruction set... My first -8 was an -8/L. I still have it, but it currently needs more help than the -8/e. It does not have correct behavior of the front panel switches and I haven't had time to start module testing. > > ...I currently have the chassis and PSU sitting side by side on the table > > leaving me enough room for a hex-height 16K MOS card to hang over > > the side of the OMNIBUS. > > ROFL! Sounds like the sort of thing that I do :-). 'What do you mean this > configuration is not supported by Digital? It works, doesn't it' :-) It seems to work just fine, and I made a point of mentioning it for Lawrence LeMay who has an -8/e and an RL8A. The same arrangement should work for him to get it all working together without having to aquire a hex-height expansion box and OMNIBUS cables. > If you need any help, I have an RX8e + RX01 on my PDP8/e. I also have the > full prints for everything... So feel free to ask questions. I have the bound -8/e maintenance doc set, so I think I'm OK there. For now, just getting through either an OS boot or diagnostics will be the hurdle. I still haven't heard anyone cough up any info on the PR/S01 tape reader. Worst case, I'll stick a scope on it and time the start/stop bits to guess the baud rate. ISTR 2400, but I have never used this particular device. Thanks again, -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 3:15 PM Subject: Re: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530 >> >> Gee, as much as folks like to pidgen-hole me, I'm really only trying to >> understand the performance and lure of the old iron, like vaxes, in > >I can perhaps help with the 'lure'. For me, speed is not that important >(provided it's fast enough for _what I want to do_). What is important is >having a reliable machine that I can understand, repair, and keep going. >And I find it a _lot_ easier to keep a PDP11 or an old VAX running than >to keep a PC running. Yikesl I eliminated our Vax for PCs years ago and have never had any problems! Vax was a "breakdown" nightmare... slower than NT for filesharing and DEC couldn't get "appletalk" right either. We found MAC IIs much faster even. (I toasted all the MACs in '96). Vax - Costly mother, boards expensive, service/software/license costs rediculous. Brutal learning curve for new system support employees (not everyone has a Vax at home), and of course Digitals "Unlimited Training" for a year at $5000/employee! X-Windows? Yuck.The only thing I liked was RDB (wonder WHO bought that?!??! :-) ). Foxpro was still faster. I jumped in like many other large companies and quickly junked our mainframes/minis for PCs. > >> relation to newer iron that I have or can use, and also understand better. > >Strange. I find the older machines are lot easier to understand than the >more modern ones. And _much_ better documented. > Thats not strange. Old systems USUALLY had parts and boards from a limited number of vendors, heavily tested... How many garages are knocking out video cards today!?!??!?! Old systems were easy to maintain for large sites, get a million dollars from Finance and send it to DEC! It isn't so easy now... but much easier for the end user. >> This is, unfortunatly, gobbdleygook to me. "multiples of them for parallelism"? >> Why would this be necessary? Why can't one fast one be used? > >There are good electronic reasons why you can't switch bus lines as fast >as you would like (just try sending 64 1GHz signals down a bus and >expecting them (a) not to get skewed wrt each other, (b) not to couple to >everything else in sight, and (c) not to be an EMC nightmare). > >Yes, improvements in bus design and driver/receiver technology has >allowed us to produce faster buses. But there are still limits. And then >you start using _several_ independant buses. > >-tony >

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Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 10:41 AM 10/27/99 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone know of any sources of info on the net anywhere on running a >network between various rooms in a house? I'm wanting to run a line >capable of handling 100BaseT from the house out to the garage, and probably >a couple other rooms in the house. It is past time to move most of the VMS >cluster out to the Garage, and tie in the parts already out there :^) Depends on how neat you want it :) Your (fill-in-blank,i.e wifey) probably won't like the exposed wire-in-the-hallway look, so I'd recommend putting them in the walls, or using paintable on-wall wiring conduit and boxes in the room corners. Pick a centralized location for your hub, and home-run all the wires there. Physically running network cable ain't no different than running phone wire, you're gonna get dirty in the attic or the crawlspace. For in-wall work, knowledge of how your house is built, a stud finder, battery powered drill, and an electricians fish tape will speed the installation process. Avoid outside walls with insulation in them. My personal common sense preference is to not have sharp right angle bends turning corners, and don't run the wires parallel with electrical cables. Since wire is cheap, you might consider running multiple cables to each outlet. Don't direct terminate with a RJ45 plug - its not worth the hassle and your cable always ends up short. Use jacks and outlet boxes/plates. In the past, I've used both Panduit no-tools jacks and 110 punchdown. The Panduit is definitely faster and easier. Lance. Lance Costanzo Advant, Inc. 1-800-824-8418 lance(a)advantinc.com Support Solutions for HP Systems http://www.advantinc.com

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Structural Damage Question

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

I live in a 29 story building. I have 2000 pounds of racks with CPUs in my "lab" (a room 20' X 20'). I am going to move in another 2-3 thousand pounds of minis as I am going through my storage and moving them up here. I am also picking up more minis from a plant in the US. I am placing the mini racks along the walls in the hope that there is more support there. A real serious question I have is... Can a room in a building like this support 5000 pounds or more? If someone here has experience with this please tell me if this is okay. A few years ago a rack of TE16s broke through a wooden basement floor once (where I was storing some minis) and cracked a sewer line [ yes , what a mess!]. john

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(fwd) vt180 boot disk,manual and floppy cable needed (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

I have already contacted the writer about disks, but can anyone help her on the cable and other information? - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Path: thoth.cts.com!mercury.cts.com!news.he.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!mdalene From: mdalene(a)pinkrose.ctol.net (B'ichela) Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm,comp.terminals Subject: vt180 boot disk,manual and floppy cable needed Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:31:45 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <slrn81af61.apc.mdalene(a)pinkrose.ctol.net> Reply-To: mdalene(a)home.ctol.net Summary: Need manual, floppy boot, and floppy cable for vt180 Keywords: vt180, floppy cable, bootdisk, manual X-Complaints-To: newsabuse(a)supernews.com User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.7 (UNIX) Xref: thoth.cts.com comp.os.cpm:2790 comp.terminals:1308 I found a Vt180 a few weeks ago at a "good will" in Willimantic called "Windham Interfaith Ministry" or WAIM. as I originally said I got it to work as a terminal. What I need is a floppy boot disk for the vt180 and the floppy cable (DB25 to DB37). I have the Vt180 floppy drive but no cable. I also need to know how to configure the printer port for my serial printers. There is no setup C screen on the setup screens. I tried all of what I felt was reasonable including the setup A/B button, P, C in addition to p and c as well as shifted Setup A/B and Setup. Related to this, does anyone got a manual for the Vt180? I would like to know how to use this with CP/M or whatever OS it uses. I also need to refine the setup B screen configuration for best results with my linux system. This Vt180 has a mild screen allignment problem where a service manual would be a help for addjusting the video screen. It seems that the top line of the screen is Bigger than the bottom line of text. both lines ae fully on the screen, its clearly a cosmetic concern. If you have this info. please email me at mdalene(a)ctol.net or post your response here. I will post my address here also for anyone who just wants to stuff a few manuals/disks via postal Michele Marie Dalene (B'ichela) 18 Carey Hill Alley, Apt 3A Willimantic, Ct 06226 -- A pearl of wisdom from the y2K newsgroups: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Y2K appears to be the Baby Boomers mid-life crisis, and it has the potential to be a dandy. -- Anonymnous -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- B'ichela -- end of forwarded message --

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Ongoing excavations - PDP-8/e

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

Thanks for the tip on the jumpers on the back of the PSU, Tony. I have manufactured a replacement and after reseating the boards, I appear to have a working PDP-8/e CPU once more. I have misplaced a box of parts (go figure) so am missing the bulk of my over-the-top jumpers, so the core testing will have to wait for another day, but I currently have the chassis and PSU sitting side by side on the table (the base from a scrapped RM02), leaving me enough room for a hex-height 16K MOS card to hang over the side of the OMNIBUS. Preliminary testing shows that all is well. I can store and retrieve numbers from the MOS memory, enter run state, single step and halt. All the bulbs appear live. I am only missing the knob off the front panel so I have to guess what mode the bottom row of lights is in. Next step - RX8E and try to boot OS/8. Failing that, back to the papertapes. On _that_ note... one of the other goodies I unearthed this weekend is a portable papertape reader used by DEC FS when diags still came on tape but customers had moved on to VT52s... it's a PR/S01. I have zero docs on this thing and have no idea what baud rate it defaults to. It is a 20mA device with a male and female connector - one with 4 wires marked TERMINAL, the other with 6 wires marked READER. How to hook it up seems obvious (I need to unearth my box of 20mA cables). How to strap the TTY card less so. I do have diagnostic tapes; as soon as a friend of mine loans me his 20mA-to- RS-232 converter, I expect to back up four boxes of diags and utils (none of which I expect are unique in the world - it's lots of MAINDEC and DECUS stuff) I did attempt to place two different KK8A modules in the -8/e box in place of the KK8E. Toggling the Load Address switch only incremented the MA lights in either case. I do not know for certain if these particular boards are working, but what is the expected behavior for the combination of a PDP-8/a CPU and a PDP-8/e front panel? Is it supposed to work? I know you can stuff a KK8E in a hex-height OMNIBUS box. That was a supported configuration. Also, where can I get a diagram describing the function of the DIP switch on the KK8A? ISTR that only one or two switches have any beneficial effect, but it's been more than 10 years since I have had to change one and I forget what they do. Furthermore, is there a good page to reference for some trivial toggle-in programs for basic test/checkout? I can write a couple, but if there are some pre-done ones, I'd rather start there. The eventual goal of _this_ box is to pass all tests, then move on to repairing the TD8E/TU56 that came with it. When I used this box in college, it used to work. Between then and when they threw it out, the DECtape stopped working. I have boxes of tapes to go through/use/backup once it all works. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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(fwd) vt180 boot disk,manual and floppy cable needed (fwd)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> This Vt180 has a mild screen allignment problem where a service <> manual would be a help for addjusting the video screen. It seems that <> the top line of the screen is Bigger than the bottom line of text. <> both lines ae fully on the screen, its clearly a cosmetic concern. < <Isn't the video system very similar to that in the VT100 terminal? It _is_ a VT100 with AVO. the VT180 adda an extra card to run CP/M. Allison

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Did the list change?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

My thanks go out to all those who helped debug my problem with receiving messages from the list. It was a problem at my ISP, not the listproc. I own several domains, and they didn't reconfigure them properly after their DNS server died (without backup) a week or so ago. The problem was eventually solved when they granted me access to their mail administration software, and I found the problem and fixed it. :-) It was strange - for some reason, U-Wash and Yahoo would try to contact the secondary MX-record mail machine instead of my 'threedee.com' machine, and the secondary was misconfigured. I was still receiving the other 98% of my mail. Thanks again, I'm happily back on the list. - John

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Configuring a DEC Correspondent (LA-12)?

by sethm＠loomcom.com

Hi all, I recently picked up a DEC Correspondent LA-12 printing terminal. It looks like a little cousin of the DECwriter II, really. Apparently there were two models available, one with a 300 baud coupling modem, and one without. I got the one without. I'm trying to figure out how to configure the dang thing. There's a "Set Up" key which seems to act like a toggle for going into some sort of set-up mode, but I'm really just stabbing around in the dark. I've gotten it to print out its current configuration, but I can't figure out how to set new values! I'd like to use it as a console on my VAX, so I'll need to figure out how to do 9600 baud 8-N-1. Right now it's set up at 9600/1200 7-E-1 for some strange reason. Does anyone have documentation on this beast? The Universal Database (aka the Internet) has been of little use on this one, that I've found. -Seth -- "This is not something made up... this is taken from | Seth J. Morabito a secret 12th century alchemy manuscript. this is | sethm(a)loomcom.com the real thing!!!" -- An online auction (really!) | Perth ==> *

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gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Mike Cheponis may have mentioned these words: >p.s. Allison, just curious, are you a recovering DECaholic? ;-) Your ferver >for the old DEC stuff is amazing to me! Religion? It's fun to watch! Recovering? Recovering?!?!?!? Ya know, some of us just don't want to be cured, and some even feel that these wonderful machines (not *just* DEC's, but they're of course included... ;-) are the anti-venom to Micro$haft's deep, wounding fangs. Boy, you sure know how to cut to the quick, eh? As always, just MHO, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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(fwd) vt180 boot disk,manual and floppy cable needed (fwd)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I have already contacted the writer about disks, but can anyone help <her on the cable and other information? I can do a cable. Alignment is obvious once the cover is off and video board is visible. < Related to this, does anyone got a manual for the Vt180? I <would like to know how to use this with CP/M or whatever OS it uses. I have manuals but no way to copy an inch of bound paper. I gave away all the doc sets I did have. It only ran CPM. If you played with DOS it's close. < I also need to refine the setup B screen configuration for <best results with my linux system. That info should be under the keyboard like most VT100s. < This Vt180 has a mild screen allignment problem where a service <manual would be a help for addjusting the video screen. It seems that <the top line of the screen is Bigger than the bottom line of text. <both lines ae fully on the screen, its clearly a cosmetic concern. There is a screen alignment pattern (screen full of capital E)... I'd have to look up the escape sequence for it. < If you have this info. please email me at mdalene(a)ctol.net or <post your response here. I will post my address here also for anyone <who just wants to stuff a few manuals/disks via postal Wish I could on the docs. DISKS, I'd have to set up mine to make copies that will not happen for a while as I have a work project on the desk and an 11/23 in the middle of the room (dont ask). The cable I can do. Allison

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(fwd) vt180 boot disk,manual and floppy cable needed (fwd)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote: > > I have already contacted the writer about disks, but can anyone help > her on the cable and other information? > I found a Vt180 a few weeks ago... > (missing) ...the floppy cable (DB25 to DB37). Out of curiosity, is this the same cable as used with the DECMate I? Does anyone have the pinout for the DECMate I *dual* RX02-pair cable - DC37 to two DB25s? I only have one single DECMate I cable (and one DECMate I). I'd like to be able to add the second drive into the pedestal. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Still Looking for DEC Card Reader, CR11 or CM11

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi All: I'm still in the market for either of these DEC table top punched card readers. If you know of one that's available, please let me know via direct email. Thanks, Kevin --- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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3rd MSCP disk controller?

by tih＠Norway.EU.net

Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)freegate.com> writes: > Anyone know the "default" CSR for the 3rd MSCP disk controller? (or > have the CONFIGURE command handy?) Well, yeah. Also, I've posted (a couple of times) my emulation of the SYSGEN CONFIGURE command, a small C program I call just sysgen. I don't have a copy here at the moment, but I can repost it from home. I'd be happy to see it (or something based on it) become a part of the standard NetBSD distribution, and integrated into the install kit for NetBSD/vax... It was re-engineered from the tables in the back of one of the VMS 5.2 manuals -- and I interestingly uncovered several small mistakes in those tables while doing it. :-) (My program agrees with the actual CONFIGURE output where the tables don't.) Anyway, the actual CSR and vector assignments generally depend on the total configuration of the system, but here's a simple run on a VAX, based on what you asked about: $ MCR SYSGEN SYSGEN> CONFIGURE DEVICE> UDA,3 DEVICE> ^Z Device: UDA Name: PUA CSR: 772150 Vector: 154 Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUB CSR: 760334* Vector: 300* Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUC CSR: 760340* Vector: 304* Support: yes SYSGEN> -tih -- Popularity is the hallmark of mediocrity. --Niles Crane, "Frasier"

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IBM 5155 Anyone have one?

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Yeah. The 5155 Is the one that I'm looking for - the sewing machine one. Although, if someone has a 5140 for a good (fairly low) price, I wouldn't mind getting one of those, too =) I also have some old stuff to trade, too, mostly desktop stuff. -->> -Jason <the GeNeRaL> ICQ#: 1730318 ( general-one(a)home.com ) < http://members.tripod.com/general_1 > -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, October 24, 1999 9:09 AM Subject: Re: IBM 5155 Anyone have one? >> >> >Hi! >> > >> >Does anyone have an IBM 5155 (I think I got the model right) Portable PC >> >that they would want to sell/trade something for? >> >> You mean a 5140? > >No, I think he means a 5155. > >The 5155 is a sewing-machine like case containing a PC/XT motherboard, 2 >half-height floppy drives + controller (hard disks were not officially >supported, but users did add them), a 9" mono monitor (linked to a CGA >card), a 114W (IIRC) PSU, and not a lot else. The keyboard (standard >PC/XT one in a different case) clipped over the screen/drives (== the >bottom of the machine when carrying it). > >Scheamtics, etc are in the PC/XT techref and the appropriate O&A Techrefs. > >-tony >

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Did the list change?

by ToddJ＠symresources.com

Hi, im sorry to say that I can't handle all this e-mail on my work e-mail account. Can anyone tell me how to unsubscribe and resubscribe? I did not bookmark the original web site address I was at when I first subscribed. Thanks. Todd -----Original Message----- From: John Foust [mailto:jfoust@threedee.com] Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 1:28 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Did the list change? I haven't received anything from this list in the last week or so. As far as I know, nothing changed on my end. I've tried to send 'subscribe' and 'which' commands to the listproc, but I get no response. Did something change at U-Wash? - John

26 years, 8 months

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Ongoing excavations - PDP-11/20 bits

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

For those at home who have been following my relocation of stuff from the basement of my former boss, I have *located* the 11/20 chassis. It has some backplanes in it but no power supply. It is sitting on a BA-11 that looks suspiciously of the same era, but too far down in the stack to get at just yet. If so, then I have a CPU bay and two BA-11 expansion boxes, enough FLIP-CHIPs to probably reassemble the CPU, several sets of 4K MM11-E boards (at least one core plane is in the hands of a former cow-orker, now in Boston), two power supplies total, a diode-matrix boot board, several peripheral cards and plenty of modern stuff to make this thing boot. I do also happen to have the original 1970 PDP-11 handbook that came with it, but no prints. Does anyone have a module layout for the 11/20? BTW, since this has come up recently, from the handbook, page viii The PDP-11 is available in two versions -- PDP-11/0 and PDP- 11/20. The basic PDP-10 contains 1,024 words of read-only memory inconjuction with 128 words of read/write memory and the basic PDP-11/20 includes 4,096 words of read/write memory I take it that the -11/20 has an MM11-E backplane in the CPU box and that the -11/10 comes with an MR11-A braided core ROM unit and an MW11-A "Wordlet" core board. After this is entirely excavated, I would expect that I could use an additional H720 PSU, but since I have the specs (+5V @ 12A, -15V @ 10A, +8RMS (unreg) @ 1.5A, -22V (unreg) @ 1.0A) that I could fake it with modern equivalents. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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SD CAL computer museum

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Mike Ford wrote: > > > I spent the weekend in San Diego... > > ...One of the docs mentions a larger collection at one of the local > > colleges in La Mesa. Next time I will try to investigate it further. > > Coleman College, which does nothing but computer training. It is on a > frontage road on the north side of I-8 on the western outskirts of La > Mesa. I was there a year ago. It's got some interesting stuff including kits built to spec and overbuilt locals. They have one PDP-8/e and no accessories for it, as an example of somewhat common stuff they don't have in abundance. Worth the trip if you are in the area. It's an hour or two walkthrough at the most unless you find something you are *very* fond of staring at. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

26 years, 8 months

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Quiz Time - update

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Okay... Before this degrades into a major thread of how badly AMF fubar'd Harley Davidson, I'm going to declare a winner as seen in the following: --- At 10:28 AM 10/26/1999 -0700, ss(a)allegro.com wrote: > >My guess: > > The "how to bowl this time" computer...the thing that determined > where to light up the "arrow" that suggested the best way to > make the spare. > >Stan --- The actual name of the unit is the "Sparemaker" computer, but I won't hold that against him. (that being a somewhat industry specific bit of trivia). The smaller chassis latched the information from the pinsetter as to which pins remained standing following the first ball and relayed this information to the larger (computer) chassis which used the information to determine which one of eleven possible colored indicator arrows should be illuminated on the pin display (called the "pindicator" by AMF) to suggest the shot with the best possibility of converting the spare. Once the computation was complete, the solution was relayed back to the smaller chassis (called the "ball path indicator") where it was latched for display, thus freeing up the main computer to service requests from other pinsetters. I thought I had a picture of one in operation, but I can't put my hands on it right at the moment, and it would take sometime to wire the computer up just for this occasion... So, perhaps later... One obvious (to some) shortcoming of the unit is that it always displayed suggestions evaluated for right handed bowlers. There was no left handed option... In the installation/service manual for the unit, the calculation (logic) sequence is detailed in a series of boolean equations. If anyone is curious, I'll either scan the page or scribble them into a future message. --- And now... the identity of this outings infamous 'no prize' (if indeed the lucky winner wishes to claim it!) A slightly (ok, very) used, actual, for real, AMF Bowling Pin! To claim it, drop me a note (off list) with your address. If not claimed, the pin will go back into the random prize pot possibly to reappear in some future quiz. Thanks to all who played - you never know when the next one will pop up! -jim --- jimw(a)computergarage.org The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Quiz Time - update

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Gee... I just knew people would likely respond to the list... <g> ... and I knew the "AMF" ID Plate would start people guessing... (which is why I left it in the image) The comment "everyone knows that AMF is associated with Bowling and Harleys" was interesting. Did anyone else see the AMF Analog Computer (!) that went up on ePay a few months ago? Now, more to the point - the guesses so far: (some by multiple people) the pin setter computer (part that runs the pinsetter) an automatic scorer computer Both good guesses... and both incorrect! But we have started down the right... (dare I, sure) ...alley... B^} Round 2! -jim --- jimw(a)computergarage.org || jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 26, 17:38, Chris Kennedy wrote: > Subject: Re: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530 > Mike Cheponis wrote: > > Relevance to old iron? Because old iron had lots of busses, new ones don't. > > > > Why is that? > > Because it isn't the case. > Other examples include the > Cray/whatever 6400 SMP, Pyramid Nile, Sequent S5000 and I suspect > the SGI Challenge and HP T500, although I'd have to check. Correct, the Challenge (and indeed even the Indigos and Indys) have a separate GIO bus for various purposes. And SGI Origin machines have a crossbar switch arrangement instead of a single bus, IIRC. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Figure about 1992-93 for that model. I used to have accounts on one when I was at DEC. <Looks like the 6500 was about 13 VAX-11/780 MIPS. That would make it abou <2x to 3x slower than a 486DX2/66. Not even close. More like a stack of a dozen or more of the 486s. It usually ran between 30-50 VT1200 Xwindows type terminals under VMS 5.5 plus the usual batch load and plain terminal user base. I doubt a 486dx/66 running linux could support 50-100 50 users running web browsers that smoothly while providing print services to 4-6 laser printers. Since the group had some 486dx/50s we could compare. The 486 was slower for any IO despite the SCSI, could not multitask well and was known for crashing (w3.11) something uncommon the VAX world. Apples and oranges, the VAX especially the bigger models with the CI and other high perf IO busses can easily pound PCI pentiums into the ground for shear load. A 6000-530 is 40" corperate cabs typically 3-4 of them more depending on the disks. Compared to a 780 its small. Compared to a 3100 it's huge. You would need a 16ft truck, lift gate or ramps. Power, basic system will run off a wall outlet barely if modded for single phase. OS, ultrix a BSD derivitive some like it, some hate it, it runs. VMS is the other OS commonly run and current (V7.2) is avaiable under hobbiest license and supports the SMP. Allison

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gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Perhaps not in a PC, but other micros have used asynchronous buses (like <the native bus of the 68000, and VME bus). I think you got that backwards. VME and 68k were synchronous. The PC bus is async (as is s100, Multibus, U and Q busses)! The sync/async bus thing is a fundemental moto/intel difference! On the similarity plane... ISA is basically multibus with a few breakages like the interrupt edge/level thing. Allison

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HP CS/80,SS/80 & Amigo Protocols

by ltnutt01＠athena.louisville.edu

Hey, I have lots of CS/80 drives which I stil use at work with HP1000 E/f series computers. I had a "CS/80 Programmers Manual" from HP which described each command in detail. I am currently looking for my copy since I wnt to do a little experimentation with using a PC with GBIP card to emulate a CS/80 drive. If I find my manual I will let you know. In the mean time, if anyone else digs up one of these babies, please tell me John

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classic computer discussion group

by rjzambo＠attglobal.net

hi Can you please add me to the group. cheers

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RT11 Version 3B RL02 system file

by bkennedy＠kcp.com

I found your newsgroup in a search for "RL02" on the internet. You probably think I am nuts. But, the real nuts are those at our company that refused to upgrade their older RT-11 operating systems and disk drivers years ago. So, I am looking for the DL.SYS system file for RT-11 version 3B. They are having to upgrade their Plesy RK05 disk drives to RL02s due to lack of replacement parts (they've used old systems to cabbage parts, but there are no more!). We programmers told them this would happen 10 years ago, but No ..o..o, they wouldn't listen. Most of us upgraded our PDP-11 systems to RT-11 Version 5.n many years ago, too. If you know another place to look for this, let me know. Thanks, Bev Kennedy, bkennedy(a)kcp.com ************************************************************ AlliedSignal Federal Manufacturing & Technologies This e-mail message has been scanned. ************************************************************

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Definition of Obsolete... (was: Re: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I still think people are bringing too much emotional baggage with the >word obsolete. If I tell you your PDP-11 is obsolete, I am not insulting >you or the computer. But I've got PDP-11 CPU's that were produced in the last 6 months, using very current technology. (In particular, see the Mentec M1 and M11 descriptions at http://www.mentec.com/, and see the QED 993 description at http://www.quickware.com/ ). -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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FW: FS: Vintage ALTOS Mod. 5-15AD

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Anyone want an Altos? If so, respond to the folks below... -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:58:45 GMT, in seattle.forsale.computers you wrote: >>From: "vaklov" <vaklov(a)infomagic.com> >>Newsgroups: seattle.forsale.computers >>Subject: FS: Vintage ALTOS Mod. 5-15AD >>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:58:45 GMT >>Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com >>Lines: 5 >>Message-ID: <01bf200d$d14e5a60$9ec571a5@default> >>X-Complaints-To: newsabuse(a)supernews.com >>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 >>Path: news1.jps.net!news-west.eli.net!news-chi-1.sprintlink.net!news-central.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail >>Xref: news1.jps.net seattle.forsale.computers:1124 >> >>First commercial minicomputer, working, Ser#50-31343. Make offer. >>-- >>James & Kathy Deaver >>Flagstaff, AZ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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3rd MSCP disk controller?

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

Anyone know the "default" CSR for the 3rd MSCP disk controller? (or have the CONFIGURE command handy?) --Chuck

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3rd MSCP disk controller?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Anyone know the "default" CSR for the 3rd MSCP disk controller? (or have >the CONFIGURE command handy?) $ mcr sysgen config DEVICE> kda50 3 %SYSGEN-I-EQV_NOTICE, equivalent name - device KDA50 will be output as UDA DEVICE> Exit Device: UDA Name: PUA CSR: 772150 Vector: 154 Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUB CSR: 760334* Vector: 300* Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUC CSR: 760340* Vector: 304* Support: yes Note that the presence of a serial multiplexer will change things around a lot - for example: $ mcr sysgen config DEVICE> kda50 3 %SYSGEN-I-EQV_NOTICE, equivalent name - device KDA50 will be output as UDA DEVICE> dz11 1 DEVICE> Exit Device: UDA Name: PUA CSR: 772150 Vector: 154 Support: yes Device: DZ11 Name: TTA CSR: 760100* Vector: 300* Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUB CSR: 760354* Vector: 310* Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUC CSR: 760360* Vector: 314* Support: yes If you don't have a machine with CONFIGURE available, you can read Alan Frisbie's very excellent DECUS presentation on this subject at ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/hardware… -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Definition of Obsolete... (was: Re: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Mike Cheponis may have mentioned these words: >Sure, if the old stuff works, why change? (Even if it -is- obsolete!) >It does indeed make sense. I can honestly say that is where you and I differ greatly: the definition of "obsolete." My CoCo3 is *not* obsolete. It plays Rogue wonderfully (the PC port sucked canal water), keeps track of my coin collection (Dynacalc is a wonderful thing) and other tasks. My Atari ST isn't obsolete, either. I have a geneology program that works wonderfully, and I use it to print mailing lists - you don't need a PentiumIII to print mailing labels on a 24-pin... (Why don't I use my 15-year-old Epson LX-80? It didn't have tractor-feed... :-( ) Neither has a hard drive... they don't need one for the tasks which I find useful on them. Web browsing on either? I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid. ;-) They weren't designed for that, no more than a Hyundai was designed to pull a 32-foot travel trailer... [[BTW, just to clear things up - in a previous post you mentioned "and why more and more L2 cache is onboad the PIII modules." Hate to tell you this, but the PII & PIII's *never* changed their cache size or (relative) speed. 512K Level2 Cache, running at 1/2 clock speed of the processor. The Xeon processors (both PII & PIII versions) come in 512K, 1M & 2M cache sizes that run at the processor clock speed.]] Obviously, my definition is: If it still works, it's not obsolete. Just my $0.0000000000002 (USD), Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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Production RT-11 3B user seeks DL.sys

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I got a message from someone who tracked me down via some kind of web search looking for RL02 info. Please contact her directly if anyone can help. I don't have RT-11 v3B, so I can't check to see if there even _is_ an RL02 driver for it. -ethan ------- From: bkennedy(a)kcp.com | Block address To: "Ethan Dicks" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:42:50 -0500 Subject: RT11 Version 3B RL02 system file I found your newsgroup in a search for "RL02" on the internet. You probably think I am nuts. But, the real nuts are those at our company that refused to upgrade their older RT-11 operating systems and disk drivers years ago. So, I am looking for the DL.SYS system file for RT-11 version 3B. They are having to upgrade their Plesy RK05 disk drives to RL02s due to lack of replacement parts (they've used old systems to cabbage parts, but there are no more!). We programmers told them this would happen 10 years ago, but No ..o..o, they wouldn't listen. Most of us upgraded our PDP-11 systems to RT-11 Version 5.n many years ago, too. If you know another place to look for this, let me know. Thanks, Bev Kennedy, bkennedy(a)kcp.com ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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4K paper tape Basic for PDP 8 - I found out it does exist.

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 12:15 PM Subject: Re: 4K paper tape Basic for PDP 8 - I found out it does exist. >I've got a copy of the Edusystem BASIC tape. I'll see if I can read it in >from the teletype and upload it somewhere. That would gr8 chuck. Please email me with what kind of systems you have and a wish list. john (new email address) >--Chuck > >At 07:26 PM 10/25/99 -0400, you wrote: >>DEC released a 4K core paper tape basic for the edusystem. Does anyone have >>this basic program and can I get a copy of it or trade a copy for something? >

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compaq luggable available (fwd)

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Anyone need a Compaq luggable to round out their collection? Please reply directly to the original sender. Reply-to: kenmor(a)svpal.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Morley <kenmor(a)svpal.org> Subject: compaq luggable I have what appears to be a Compaq 'lugable' that has a sick hard disk. It was used until 2 months ago to print labels for a mailing job, so all was fine. The disk may only need to be reformated, but I dont have the diskettes needed and just wanted a newer machine ( which we have managed find). It is yours if you want it. I dont want to throw it away. Ken Morley 2342 Lida Dr. Mtn. View, CA 94043-4210 kenmor(a)svpal.org Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. VCF East? VCF Europe!? YOU BETCHA!! Stay tuned for more information or contact me to find out how you can participate http://www.vintage.org

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Amstrad 8256 available for donation (fwd)

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Anyone interested in an interesting CP/M compatible import from the UK? Please reply directly to the sender. Reply-to: kgsniagfalls(a)hotmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:35:47 PDT From: Kelly Smith <kgsniagfalls(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Amstrad 8256 available for donation 2740 Woodlawn Avenue Niagara Falls, NY 14301-1448 October 21, 1999 VCF 4275 Rosewood Dr. #29-161 Pleasanton, CA 94588 I found out about your web-site from the PBS show Net Cafe. I understand you take donations and I wonder if you'd be interested in an Amstrad PCW 8256 that uses the old 3-inch CF2 disks. I have everything that came with it originally -- printer, both manuals, 2 program disks (4 sides) -- Word Processor LocaScript on side 1, System/Utilities/Basic CP/M Plus on side 2, CP/M Plus Programming Utilities on side 3, and CP/M Plus Dr. Logo & Help on side 4. In addition, after using it for several years I had a 3 1/2 inch floppy drive added to it as drive B, which made it possible for me to transfer ASCII files created in the LocaScript program to 720 KB MF-2DD disks in DOS format so I could use them when I switched to a regular IBM compatible computer. If you're interested, the software I used for this is also available -- it's PCW 2-in-1, version 2.20, by Moonstone Computing of Glasgow U.K. The program is on one 3 inch CF2 disk and there's also a manual. It worked perfectly and although I knew very little about computers I found it easy to use. The Amstrad was in perfect working order the last time I used it, but that was six years ago. I turned it on yesterday and though the monitor came on I wasn't able to get it to boot up -- there was a different sound coming >from the old CF2 drive -- instead of the usual soft whirring there was a louder grinding sound. Other than being dusty I can't think what's wrong with it. It hasn't been moved or subjected to any extremes of temperature or humidity. Anyway, let me know if you're interested, and if so, can you tell me if you pay any of the shipping costs? I doubt very much that I'd be able to sell it, but it seems a shame to just throw it out in the trash. I think you're undertaking a very worthwhile project. Working in a library, I'm aware of the problem of not being able to access stranded information in obsolete formats and disk types. We must be able to preserve and access data, statistics, and scholarly research stored in these mediums -- otherwise we lose part of our history and the chance to build on the knowledge of our predecessors. If you can keep older equipment operational you'll provide a great service. Most sincerely, Kelly G. Smith Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. VCF East? VCF Europe!? YOU BETCHA!! Stay tuned for more information or contact me to find out how you can participate http://www.vintage.org

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Information please

by research＠alltel.net

Do you know what scopes were sold by Tektronics to Ail Tech for a 727 Spectrum Analizer? Thank you Alex

26 years, 8 months

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Information Please

by research＠alltel.net

Do you know what scopes were sold by Tektronics to Ail Tech for a 727 Spectrum Analizer? Thank you Alex

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3 drives on a KFQSA?

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

Has anyone successfully run three DSSI disk drives on a KFQSA? I've tried several times to configure mine to do that but it keeps coming up bogusly. The only "odd" bit is that one of my drives is _not_ connected to the control panel (you know the protect/enable/etc) panel. I am beginning to suspect I need to understand what the three switches that are on all RF series drives actually do. I can get two to appear, but not the third. Configuration: ** ** RF72 RF71 RF71 (UNIT=2) (UNIT=1) (UNIT=0) *TERM*-----+--------+---------+-------> KFQSA (id 6) KFQSA has three "nodes" (0, 1, and 2) 776450 - 0 760334 - 1 760340 - 2 UNIT 1 and UNIT 0 are connected to the control panel, with ID plugs 0 and 1. UNIT 2 is not connected to the control panel (no cable nor ID plug) With three disks defined on the KFQSA I get one to show up (usually UNIT 2 as DUA2). With two defined I get DUA2 and DUB0. If I disconnect the RF72 I get DUA0 and DUB1. Questions: What do the switches on the drives do?!? Has anyone configured three disks on one of these things? --Chuck

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gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Mike Cheponis may have mentioned these words: >Peter, I do hope your arm heals quickly. >A better example is: how much lead can you deliver to a load with two guns >rated 1 Mega-Bullets per Second vs one gun rated at 2 MB/Sec? >Answer, of course: They produce the same amount of deposited lead on the >target. Now, let me use your analogy to prove that multiple independent busses are better than one single bus: Let's say in each of your cases, 1 of the weapons jams exactly halfway thru it's job... How much lead is delivered in each case? (1) 2MBullets/Sec: 1 Million bullets. (2) 1MBullets/Sec: 1.5 Million bullets. The multiple bus structure delivered more bullets with 1 bus still ready for work, whereas the single bus structure's work ground to a halt waiting for operator intervention. I hope to say that this is what others and myself have tried to convey. Hope this helps clear up my point, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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List spammer traced

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Our latest list spammer has been traced, located, and formally scorched. I -love- sending spammer flames from a my-deja account... it's blocked to all incoming E-mail (accepts outgoing only), so anything a spammer sends just bounces right back at them. Besides the 200 degree C flame to the spammer in question, politely formal complaints were filed with their ISPs. Granted, I can't recall ever getting a response from a Korean or Chinese ISP that they toasted a spammer themselves, but there's always a first time. I'll advise if I get any type of valid response. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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4K paper tape Basic for PDP 8 - I found out it does exist.

by daniel＠internet.look.ca

DEC released a 4K core paper tape basic for the edusystem. Does anyone have this basic program and can I get a copy of it or trade a copy for something?

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help id'ing board

by cem14＠cornell.edu

Hi everyone; I found a board that could fit in my microvax II if I decided to push it in. Let me describe it: manufacturer: Recognition Concepts Inc., assy. # 100220, then in the back: 100221 fab rev A It has: -large DIP 64 pin IC by TRW, marked 1007JIC3 8451/AP -LS glue logic -7808, 7908 and 7906 regulators -couple LH0024's, four other analog chips in a section where traces are sandwiched between ground planes. The only external connector is a subminiature rf-style gold-plated connector, close to this analog section, and, most important, -two DAC0800LCN chips. I thought it might be some kind of successive approx A/D, but, why two DAC's then? cascading them to get a higher resolution would require unreliable, painful calibration... And only one channel... or maybe the analog multiplexer occupied a separate board... Has anybody seen this beast before? Carlos. -- Carlos Murillo-Sanchez email: cem14(a)cornell.edu 428 Phillips Hall, Electrical Engineering Department Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853

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Stamping product / Press

by ktco＠www.tradingking.com

DAE SANG CO., LTD. TEL:+82-2-3142-6464 FAX:+82-2-338-1052 E-MAIL: ktco(a)tradingking.com HOMEPAGE: www.tradingking.com CONTACT:Soppia Sung To :classiccmp How are you? Are you looking for a company which has excellent skills in stamping with bronze, aluminum, steel and so on? You will be interested to hear that we have handled stamping products like terminal, housing, angle and others that are able to be stamped. We are a stamping(press) products maker in Korea searching companies that stamping products are needed. Already, we have supplied lots of stamping products for various kinds of spare parts companies for long time. The name of our company is DAESANG Co., Ltd. as one of leading stamping(press) business . We have been the first vendor of Samsung, Daewoo, Anam, Jeil Engineering, Goldstar(it is LG at present) which are reliable companies in Korea since 1982. We had a good reputation through long business in this line in Korea. We are confident that you will be quite satisfied with our services including the best price and the perfect. If you are agreeable, we should be most appreciative of your co-operation in this respect and look forward to your reply with great interest. Should you have any question or inquiry, Please do not hesitate to contact us. Wish to have a good business relationship with you in the coming future. We should appreciate your prompt reply. Best Regards, Soppia Sung/International Marketing Representative Address:180-2 DONGBO B/D 401 DONGKYO-DONG MAPO-KU SEOUL, KOREA TEL:+82-2-3142-6464 FAX:+82-2-338-1052 E-MAIL: ktco(a)tradingking.com HOMEPAGE: www.tradingking.com

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gauging interest in VAX 9210

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>>A bit off topic; a friend of mine has been offered a 9210 and asked >>me if it was worth the effort of moving it. Without considering the >>power and space requirements, I would prefer a 780 to a 9000. >> >>If you were offered a 9000 would you take it or let it be scrapped? In >>this case the biggest problem is the distance; the machine is located >>about 1000Km from us. >The biggest problem isn't storage and power? I'm not sure how many racks >you're talking but I would think this could be a fairly large system. Don't forget air-conditioning, too. A 9000 is *not* a small system. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Quiz time!

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Anyone up for a little mind bender? We begin with the images below: http://www.computergarage.org/~jwilling/P0870.JPG http://www.computergarage.org/~jwilling/P0871.JPG http://www.computergarage.org/~jwilling/P0872.JPG http://www.computergarage.org/~jwilling/P0873a.JPG One official 'no prize' to the first person who can identify these items. (or, perhaps a real prize... You never know) --- Some Clues: These artifacts date from early 1962 (when they were in production - probably designed sometime in 1960-1961) These are dedicated units, with a hard-wired program (using a diode logic matrix contained in the larger unit but not visible in these images) The large chassis in the first two images is the central 'computer'. This unit could service up to ten machines that the smaller chassis in the second pair of images were connected to. (more or less on a FIFO on-demand time-shared basis) The smaller unit gathers data from a machine for processing by the larger unit, and once a solution has been determined, the larger unit relays (no pun intended) the information back to the requesting smaller unit which latches the solution data for display along with the original input data on a visual readout device which is part of the machine. These were a production item, in fairly common use and their results could be seen on public display nearly anywhere around the country (and to some extent the world) where they were in use. Collectively, the units were known as the "' ' Computer" and were considered an add-on or enhancement to the original machine with which they were used. No direct (or manual) input from the 'user' was required in the normal use of this computer. --- The game ends with the first correct solution or on 01-November-1999 (whichever comes first) --- The images are un-retouched, except for image P0873a where part of the ID plate that would give away the answer has been obscured. And, if anyone really thinks it will help I will add some shots of the inside of the chassis in a day or so... LOTS of wires and stuff! Have at you! -jim --- jimw(a)computergarage.org The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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SD CAL computer museum

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 01:00 AM 10/26/1999 -0700, you wrote: >I spent the weekend in San Diego and didn't buy a darn thing. I did see a >couple of interest though. The Ruben H Fleet science center has a room of >"computer history" complete with a 029 keypunch and some pictures on the Wow. I used to punch cards on one of those! :( That was an uptown machine, much better that the 026. I loved the little drum you could configure for tab stops. Lance Costanzo http://www.webhighrise.com System Administrator Website and Virtual Domain Hosting lance(a)costanzo.net starting at $5/month, no setup fees

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FW: PDP11 cabnets / Power Supplies available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Found on Usenet. I would guess that "power supply" in this context refers to either the 861 or 874 series power controllers. So, if you need a pair of racks, please contact gman(a)apocalypse.org ASAP. -=-=- <break> -=-=- On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:06:23 -0400, in alt.sys.pdp11 you wrote: >>From: "Paul Schmitt" <pschmitt(a)cportcorp.com> >>Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11 >>Subject: PDP11 cabnets / Power Supplies available >>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:06:23 -0400 >>Lines: 20 >>Message-ID: <7v497k$pdt$1(a)autumn.news.rcn.net> >>X-Trace: np0m9fdKBlu4ZZAXJRM8//nzH+t0Z38Och77TKBATSE= >>X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)rcn.com >>NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Oct 1999 13:10:12 GMT >>X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 >>Path: news1.jps.net!news-west.eli.net!news-chi-1.sprintlink.net!news-central.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail >>Xref: news1.jps.net alt.sys.pdp11:248 >> >>Hi all, >> >>In a quest for PDP8 Cabinets I ran across a couple PDP-LSI-11 type cabinets >>and Power Supplies(kind of like finding 65' thunderbird parts when your >>restoring a 57' Chevy). By LSI-11 I refer to the later vintage white >>cabinets with rounded corners. The cabinets, 1 four foot and 1 six foot are >>in good condition - complete with good working casters, but very few front >>covers. Also included are two like 6" rack power supplies (one still >>brandy-new in the box). These are heavy items, and can be found about 30 >>minutes North of Boston. The owner would be happy to place them with >>someone who could use them. If you are interested send email to Steve Glass >>at gman(a)apocalypse.org. >> >> >>Good Luck. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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what is a VXT 2000+

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/25/99 6:27:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, healyzh(a)aracnet.com writes: > Right... So, how hard did you laugh at him? Does he realize it's a fixed > freq monitor? > He resells lots of large monitors so he has a good idea of its value. He is bargainable but not arguable. He has sold many of these in the secondary market. It doesn't pay to laugh at scrappers. They like to cut the cords off machines. Paxton Portland, OR

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