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Found some PDP-1 stuff and updated webpage

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

I am just starting to go through the documentation and found some PDP-1 stuff. I have updated my web page to show pictures of some of the PDP-4 paper tapes and list most of the DECUS -8 tapes. I still have a long way to go as I still have to list all the PDP-1,PDP-4,PDP-5,PDP-8,PDP-9,PDP-15 software,docs and paper tapes I have but have a look. Some really cool finds so far: IBM 360 to PDP-9 Interface manual (theory, manual, schematics) Applications in Physics (PDP-1 and PDP-4) Atomic Energy Canada - uses for PDP-1 Macro-9 source code Focal-1968 source code DECUSCOPES and Decus year end stuff (1965,66,67) (will have some docs online soon) http://www.pdp8.com/ (click on the paper tape picture). PDP-8/s update: The oscilloscope and light pen were installed with success. Will have pictures online soon showing the 8/s draw pictures/letters on the scope. I also have a couple of video games I'll take movies of when I get time.

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Old Computer stuff

by pmarzolf＠juno.com

On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:21:04 -0800 Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> writes: > > Hi, > > I saw your message on the Classic Computer List, and am curious > about the > Lobo Drives Max 80 computers. I have a couple of Max 80 computers, > but am > missing the Lobo HD. What are you asking for that system? Thanks. > > Marvin =====> I'm sorry I have already found homes for my Max80 stuff. The only think I have left is Univac duel 8" drives and 8" diskettes with old stuff on them and some blank ones. Sorry that I didn't have more. Paul > > pmarzolf(a)juno.com wrote: > > > > From: > > Paul V. Marzolf > > 2761 Morningside Dr. > > Salt Lake City, Ut. 84124 > > Phone: (801) 277 7556 > > Email: pmarzolf(a)juno.com > > > > I don't know what I'm doing here but here it goes. > > > > I am looking for new homes for all the old computer stuff I > > have collected in my 40 years of working in the computer busness. > > I am a person that don't like to through any think away. > > I have hardware, books, manuals, magazines, and software. > > Here is a list of the hardware: > > ***LIST OF HARDWARE AND DOCUMENTATION*** > > > > COMPUTERS > > --------- > > 2 LOBO'S MAX80 - 5MHz Z-80B PROCESSOR 64k RAM. CP/M INCLUDED > > ALL DISK INTERFACE BUILT IN. PLUG IN ANY COMBINATION OF > > 5 1/4" FLOPPIES, 8" FLOPPIES, AND WINCHESTER DISK. > > CENTRONICS-TYPE PARALLEL PORT. BUILT-IN CLOCK/CALENDAR > > WITH BATTERY BACKUP, AND BUFFERED I/O EXPANDER PORT. > > > > 1 BOX OF DOCUMENTATION > > DUAL 8" DISK DRIVES (UNIVAC DRIVES) > > LOBO 5" HARD DISK DRIVE > > MONITOR > > > > ARC X-TURBO > > FLIP TOP CASE, 640K 8MHZ MOTHER BOARD, CLOCK/CALENDAR, TWO > > PAR, 2 SER, GAME PORT, 4 DRIVE CONTROLLER (RIBBON CABLES), > > 135W POWER SUPPLY, COLOR BOARD(RGB), 83 KEY KEYBOARD, TAXAN > > 415 MONITOR, THE HEART OF THE ARC X-TURBO IS THE INTEL > > 8088-2 MICRO-PROCESSOR USED IN THE IBM PERSONAL COMPUTER. > > TWO 5 1/4' FULL SIZE DISK DRIVES. > > TWO 5 1/4" HALF SIZE HIGH DENSITY EXTERNAL DISK DRIVES > > > > COMPAQ SUITE CASE PORTABLE (INTEL 8088) > > THE KEYBOARD IS THE LID. HAS BUILT IN MONITOR AND 2 > > 5" FLOPPIES. THE SIZE OF THE CARRY AROUND IS 16" X 20" > > X 9". > > > > OTHER COMPUTER HARDWARE > > ----------------------- > > POWER SUPPLY FOR APPLE IIE > > MICROSOFT Z80 SOFTCARD - A PERIFHERAL FOR THE APPLE IIE WITH > > CP/M AND MICROSOFT BASIC ON 5" DISKETTE. > > > > EMPTY BOX FOR FULL SIZE 5" DISK DRIVE (FOR TRS-80) > > DUAL 5" DISK DRIVE UNIT > > 2 - DUAL 8" DISK DRIVE UNITS (UNIVAC) > > 2 - 8" DISK DRIVES > > > > DIRECT/ACOUSTICALLY COUPLED MODEM LEX-12 > > 2 - UNIVERSAL DATA SYSTEMS 103 LP MODEM (ORIGINATE/ANSWER) > > DIAL PHONE TO USE WITH ABOVE MODEM > > > > PRINTERS > > UNVAC SERIAL PRINTER > > > > DOT MATRIX PRINTERS > > CITIZEN 2000GX > > PANASONIC KX-P1080i > > PANASONIC KX-P2023 > > UNVAC SERIAL PRINTER > > GORILLA/BANANA > > > > POWER SUPPLY HARDWARE. B6 > > ***BOX 9*** > > > > HARDWARE ACCESSORIES > > -------------------- > > ELBO ARM FOR COMPUTER. B9 > > HEAVY DUTY THAT CLAMP ONTO A DESK AND > > HOLDS A MONITOR AND KEYBOARD. > > > > TIP TABLE MONTIOR STAND. B9 > > > > 3 PRINTER STANDS AND PAPER HOLDER. B9 > > > > 2 5" DISKETTE TEAR HOLDER. B9 > > > > If interested I can send info about the computer stuff. Just > > ask???? > > > > It would be better for me if any response would use my > > E-mail address to talk to me. > > > > Hope someone will be interested. > > PAUL > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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MicroVAX-II / PDP11-73 question...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

If I plug the CPU board of an 11/73 into a backpanel from a MicroVAX-II, will it work? Someone I know wants to try it. (I.E. they have the uV2 and want an 11-73 instead.) -------

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E.U.N.U.C.H.

by edick＠idcomm.com

There ought to be enough old CRAY hardware out there, from which you can extract the circuits but not the plumbing and keep your PC and stuff in liquefied N2. That might help a little, and it will be cleaner, too. In fact, you ought to get it to run faster than the CRAY. I wonder if the CRAY will run as many instructions between crashes as the PC . . . Dick -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Christopher Finney <af-list(a)is1.wfi-inc.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 2:45 PM Subject: Re: E.U.N.U.C.H. >Depending on what you jack the bus speed up to, you want to make sure that >the cache is cooled as well as your video processor. I have a 3dfx board >that I needed to put an aftermarket fan/heatsink on because it ran so hot. > >The nice thing about the high-pressure gas setup I mentioned earlier is >that you can direct the vented gas on hot spots to help keep them cool... > >Aaron > >On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Arfon Gryffydd wrote: > >> Besides the CPU, what other chips need to be chilled to over-clock? The >> Cache? >> ---------------------------------------- >> Tired of Micro$oft??? >> >> Move up to a REAL OS... >> ######__ __ ____ __ __ _ __ # >> #####/ / / / / __ | / / / / | |/ /## >> ####/ / / / / / / / / / / / | /### >> ###/ /__ / / / / / / / /_/ / / |#### >> ##/____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_____/ /_/|_|#### >> # ###### >> ("LINUX" for those of you >> without fixed-width fonts) >> ---------------------------------------- >> Be a Slacker! http://www.slackware.com >> >> Slackware Mailing List: >> http://www.digitalslackers.net/linux/list.html >> >

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Help identify a 'luggable'

by Innfogra＠aol.com

My bet is that this is a clone case with a standard XT motherboard in it. I don't remember Compaq I portables with an amber monitor. I have one of these clone cases also. They look a lot like a Compaq. What does it say on bootup? Pull the covers off and see what motherboard is in it. Paxton

26 years, 8 months

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Would you take my PDP-8I for ?

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > LOOKING FOR AN RM08 or..... > > Would be willing to trade me a transistor peripheral(s)for a major piece of > equipment like a PDP-8I... > > I am looking for any of these transistor peripherals: I don't have a *one* of those... I do have a couple of DF-32 (w/DS-32) systems which I want to hang onto long enough to re-check out (now that I know lots more about them) and at least one PA-60, which is, IIRC, some kind of printer driver for newspaper-type printers. Good luck dredging up that antediluvian hardware. You seem to have had quite a lot of good luck lately. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

26 years, 8 months

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Would you take my PDP-8I for ?

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Would you take my PDP-8I for ? > > >--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: >> LOOKING FOR AN RM08 or..... >> >> Would be willing to trade me a transistor peripheral(s)for a major piece of >> equipment like a PDP-8I... >> >> I am looking for any of these transistor peripherals: > >I don't have a *one* of those... I do have a couple of DF-32 (w/DS-32) systems I have two too! Can't wait to solve the head crashing problem.... I have a drum memory unit for my PDP-15 but nothing like that for an 8 or 8/s. Aside >from acoustic memory, I find drum memory is the coolest device to run. >which I want to hang onto long enough to re-check out (now that I know lots >more about them) and at least one PA-60, which is, IIRC, some kind of printer >driver for newspaper-type printers. Never heard of it.. > >Good luck dredging up that antediluvian hardware. You seem to have had quite >a lot of good luck lately. Not really. I just usually scrapped this kind of stuff and jumped on Honeywell/PDP 11s/HP minis. I always thought 8s were junk (well.....)... This spring things were getting slow in mini requests so I started scrapping a lot of good stuff.. even a lot of PDP-8 boards (I mean a lot)... I didn't know about this list/ebay 6 months ago and I suspect most computer collectors/restorers still don't. I am going into three more plants before February filled with only really old DEC/IBM stuff... One site had quite a few DECTape drives I will be grabbing. Usually, most *old* steel factories I go into have a really old mini (pre '68) hidden in a room somewhere... I am hoping for more transistor peripherals from my 8. At least 1 Straight-8 has been found at one of the sites but I already have that sold to someone (less the peripherals of course :-) ) Good luck with your minis! john > >-ethan > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >

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IBM 9370 Mainframe Specs?

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

[9370] > Mainframe? Yeah, I guess it could still be called that because of its > intended application to handle a whole enterprise plus it is a CMOS > implementation of the good ol' S/370 iron. However, its performance was > rather poor compared to IBM's newer AS/400 family launched about the same > time as or just before the 9370. I know that this is not very helpful but I think the 9370 was announced in 1987, since I saw stuff on it during my summer job at IBM that year, and not the previous year. I never saw anything about the AS/400 at that date, nor even during my summer job the following year (although that latter was building cash dispensers, so I was a little out of touch with the rest of IBM) Anyway, at the time I regarded it as a mini-mainframe. Mini because it didn't need a separate computer room (and was advertised on this basis), mainframe because it was still huge and packed full of IBM custom hybrids (which were probably built of IBM custom chips), as well as the 370 compatibility... Philip. This E-mail message is private and confidential and should only be read by those to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, reproduction, modification or publication of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please delete the message from your computer and destroy any copies. This message is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. This company therefore disclaims all responsibility and accepts no liability of any kind which may arise from any person acting, or refraining from acting, upon the contents of the message without having had subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this communication in error, or if any problems occur in transmission please notify us immediately by telephone on +44 (0)2476 425474

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Would you take my PDP-8I for ?

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

LOOKING FOR AN RM08 or..... Would be willing to trade me a transistor peripheral(s)for a major piece of equipment like a PDP-8I (mint, running of course) . I also have some major peripherals like the negibus floppy drive (Straight-8,8/S,8-I Sykes 7150 8" floppy), high speed paper tape and DF32 (I will only let the IC versions go). Don't get me wrong, I like the 8I... but I like the 8/S better. I am looking for any of these transistor peripherals: -- Type 451 card reader and control -- Type 451B fast card reader and control -- Type 450 card punch control for IBM Type 523 punch. -- Type 64 (later 645) Mohawk line printer and control -- Type 250 (RM08) serial magnetic drum -- Type 552 DECtape control -- Type 555 dual DECtape transport -- Type 57A magnetic tape control with IBM type 729 drive -- Type 580 magnetic tape system with one transport -- Type TC01 DECtape control for up to 8 TU55 transports. -- Type 251 drum (8-256 tracks, 8 sectors/track, 128 words/sector). -- Type 645 line printer control. -- Type 680 data communications system (allows 64 teletypes). ... well, maybe ;-) -- Type 338 Programmed Buffered Display (vector graphics). -- Type DF08 fixed head disk system -- Type BE01 OEM version of the TC01 (no blinking lights). -- Type BE03 dual TU55 drive for the TC01 or BE01. (I'm never going to know if I don't ask) john

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New Finds

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>>I passed one up a couple of weeks ago. Seller was asking 95 pounds, was >>prepared to sell for 80, but no less - she claimed the Windows 95 >>installation on the hard drive was worth that. I told her just what I >>would do if I got a machine with Windows 95 on it... (hint: it involves >>a disk partitioning tool and a Linux distribution kit) >> >>Philip. >> > Are you sure this was a P70 (which usually shipped with 386s) and not a P75 > (which usually shipped with 486 or better processors)? I tried a Win '95 > installation on my 4MB RAM/120 MB HD/386 P70, and from "power on" to "ready > to use" took over two minutes. Trying to open any windows or run any > applications caused a frenzy of drive activity (reading and writing to the > swapfile, I suspect). I can't imagine anyone actually using a P70 running > Win '95. Running Windows 3.11 though, they were decent portables for their > time - nice crisp display, good keyboard. Very capable "get some work done > in your hotel room" computers. No, I'm not sure, but I thought it was a P70. (I wouldn't have bought it for 80 quid even if I had known/believed it had a 486 in.) It was a briefcase-sized thing that stood vertically - the keyboard flapped down (or took off - can't remember) and the plasma panel tilted out a little. As for your performance problems, based on your description of the "flurry of drive activity" I suspect that it would work better with more memory. No, I didn't ask how much memory this thing had. Much as I like plasma displays, I am not sorry I didn't buy this one. Philip. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. Power Technology Centre, Ratcliffe-on-Soar, Nottingham, NG11 0EE, UK Tel: +44 (0)115 936 2000 http://www.powertech.co.uk **********************************************************************

26 years, 8 months

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Marks response [ebay reaches new low]

by helicopterman＠webtv.net

hi Mark, thank you for replying to my post. I AGREE WITH EACH STATEMENT YOU MAKE. ================================== on the other hand the bidders are happy. question: what would you do with 12 Univac side panels in 1999? i couldnt bring myself to put them in the dumpster. i have lots of trs-80 stuff in complete condition and i recently sold a kim-1 in mint condition which i purchased new in 75. i can store these smaller units but i could not continue to store the file 0. the file 0 took up 5 or 6 hundred square feet. in the early 90's i had to move from a commercial building to a small apartment. the file 0 weighed several tons:)) i stored it from 72 to early 90's because i loved old computers too. there was no ebay or collectors accessible to me then. i had no choice but to get rid of it like i did. IT BROKE MY HEART TO SCRAP IT. i would gladly have given it free to any purist. frankly though who would have been willing to transport 11 monster cabinets weighing several tons from Louisville to their back porch? i assume you have seen my Univac page where i am trying to save my memories and pictures of the few pieces that escaped the junk yard for interested people. it is at: http://members.tripod.com/~Helicopterman/blank-7.html it cost me 60.00 to have one panel cut into pieces and additional for the documents. at 5.00 per auction i about break even. i am not selling the "featureless" pieces for a profit but only to keep the file 0 memory alive. =====Ed

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VAXStation 3100 problems :(

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

I was looking at your message and a few other things came to mind.. I should really condense all my thoughts _before_ writing :) (1) I'd highly doubt the VS2000 graphics board would fit in the 3100.. I tried to check the size of a VS2000 memory board once (since my VS3100's failed and its only got 4 meg now) and it didnt fit, so i'd imagine it would be more or less the same scenario with the video card. (2) I dont know if you'd want to bother running Ultrix on the thing; you could either get a free license of OpenVMS 7.2 (newest version) from http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist, or you could run NetBSD on the system, which I gather runs _very_ well now that SCSI DMA has been implemented in the newest devel kernels. Using either of those routes, you'd at least get something pretty modern... Going back to Ultrix would mean digging up an old version with probably no support at all.. I gather that Ultrix wasnt a particularly great implementation of UNIX, either, however i've never actually used it myself so I guess I can't speak authoritively on the issue. -Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net)

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FA (eBay) SBC collection: KIM-1, SYM, TK-80, and... lots of freebies

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Hi everyone I've not been following the list for some time, so please - replies to my personal email at adavie(a)mad.scientist.com I'm preparing for a planned interstate move sometime (as soon as possible), really. Everything must go! My prime reason for writing is to point to my current eBay auction of my Single Board Computer collection - comprising a KIM-1, a SYM, and a TK-80. There's a photo with the description, and if you're interested, the URL is... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=202377636 As I'm trying to cut down on the amount of stuff I'll have to move, I'm offering FREE to any worthwhile home some of the following... PDP 11/23PLUS, with assorted disk packs, monitors, tapes, etc. XEROX (unknown model) various interesting old computers, tapes TRS-80 Colour computer in original box. ... and lots more, really. I do have some machines which may be up for sale - or trade - please write to me if you would like notification of when I will get to these. These include Exidy Sorcerer lot (don't panic, Doug). - including 2 sorcerers, several disk drives, and hundreds of floppies. Australian Microbee computers (lots). (possibly) a Dulmont Magnum (possibly) a Datanumerics DL-8A Creativision with BASIC cartridge, tape unit. Hanimex Pencil II Sharp (sorry, model unknown - its buried in the garage) - takes magnetic bubble memory cartridges; of which I have a few. Tradewise, I'll be looking for a Hewlett-Packard HP-65 calculator, in particular. When I say (possibly) this means I basically know these machines are unique, and they're worth a lot to me. But, money is needed for the move. So... I'm based in Sydney (Australia). Anybody caring to drop in will probably leave with lots of interesting old junk! I have a heap of books/magazines, including technical documents for some interesting machines, such as the Microbee. Basically, I'm a pack-rat (aren't we all?) but have decided I really need to simplify my life. I hope this finds you all well, and enjoying your collecting! Cheers A -- Andrew Davie adavie(a)mad.scientist.com // adavie(a)comcen.com.au // adavie(a)bde.com.au Museum of Soviet Calculators http://members.xoom.com/adavie/soviet.html Slide Rule Trading Post http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/ Java Slide Rule http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/javaslide/javaslide.html

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Ebay reaches new low

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>He's been doing this with various pieces of equipment (and I do mean "pieces") >for a while now. I'm not sure, but I think he may be the same guy who was >selling stuff like System/360 control panels, etc, saying "man, you should have >seen the rest of the machine before I scrapped it..". How is this any worse than many institutional and club computer museums, as well as individual collector's collections, which have a CPU but not the disk/tape drives and operating system? I agree, it's a shame, and in the perfect world there'd be a way to run old systems forever, but evidently folks' priorities aren't geared to keeping complete systems. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Old Computer stuff

by pmarzolf＠juno.com

From: Paul V. Marzolf 2761 Morningside Dr. Salt Lake City, Ut. 84124 Phone: (801) 277 7556 Email: pmarzolf(a)juno.com I don't know what I'm doing here but here it goes. I am looking for new homes for all the old computer stuff I have collected in my 40 years of working in the computer busness. I am a person that don't like to through any think away. I have hardware, books, manuals, magazines, and software. Here is a list of the hardware: ***LIST OF HARDWARE AND DOCUMENTATION*** COMPUTERS --------- 2 LOBO'S MAX80 - 5MHz Z-80B PROCESSOR 64k RAM. CP/M INCLUDED ALL DISK INTERFACE BUILT IN. PLUG IN ANY COMBINATION OF 5 1/4" FLOPPIES, 8" FLOPPIES, AND WINCHESTER DISK. CENTRONICS-TYPE PARALLEL PORT. BUILT-IN CLOCK/CALENDAR WITH BATTERY BACKUP, AND BUFFERED I/O EXPANDER PORT. 1 BOX OF DOCUMENTATION DUAL 8" DISK DRIVES (UNIVAC DRIVES) LOBO 5" HARD DISK DRIVE MONITOR ARC X-TURBO FLIP TOP CASE, 640K 8MHZ MOTHER BOARD, CLOCK/CALENDAR, TWO PAR, 2 SER, GAME PORT, 4 DRIVE CONTROLLER (RIBBON CABLES), 135W POWER SUPPLY, COLOR BOARD(RGB), 83 KEY KEYBOARD, TAXAN 415 MONITOR, THE HEART OF THE ARC X-TURBO IS THE INTEL 8088-2 MICRO-PROCESSOR USED IN THE IBM PERSONAL COMPUTER. TWO 5 1/4' FULL SIZE DISK DRIVES. TWO 5 1/4" HALF SIZE HIGH DENSITY EXTERNAL DISK DRIVES COMPAQ SUITE CASE PORTABLE (INTEL 8088) THE KEYBOARD IS THE LID. HAS BUILT IN MONITOR AND 2 5" FLOPPIES. THE SIZE OF THE CARRY AROUND IS 16" X 20" X 9". OTHER COMPUTER HARDWARE ----------------------- POWER SUPPLY FOR APPLE IIE MICROSOFT Z80 SOFTCARD - A PERIFHERAL FOR THE APPLE IIE WITH CP/M AND MICROSOFT BASIC ON 5" DISKETTE. EMPTY BOX FOR FULL SIZE 5" DISK DRIVE (FOR TRS-80) DUAL 5" DISK DRIVE UNIT 2 - DUAL 8" DISK DRIVE UNITS (UNIVAC) 2 - 8" DISK DRIVES DIRECT/ACOUSTICALLY COUPLED MODEM LEX-12 2 - UNIVERSAL DATA SYSTEMS 103 LP MODEM (ORIGINATE/ANSWER) DIAL PHONE TO USE WITH ABOVE MODEM PRINTERS UNVAC SERIAL PRINTER DOT MATRIX PRINTERS CITIZEN 2000GX PANASONIC KX-P1080i PANASONIC KX-P2023 UNVAC SERIAL PRINTER GORILLA/BANANA POWER SUPPLY HARDWARE. B6 ***BOX 9*** HARDWARE ACCESSORIES -------------------- ELBO ARM FOR COMPUTER. B9 HEAVY DUTY THAT CLAMP ONTO A DESK AND HOLDS A MONITOR AND KEYBOARD. TIP TABLE MONTIOR STAND. B9 3 PRINTER STANDS AND PAPER HOLDER. B9 2 5" DISKETTE TEAR HOLDER. B9 If interested I can send info about the computer stuff. Just ask???? It would be better for me if any response would use my E-mail address to talk to me. Hope someone will be interested. PAUL ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Famous Bill Gates Harvard ASR33 Clones!

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Famous Bill Gates Harvard ASR33 Clones! >At 06:43 PM 11/16/99 -0500, Dennis Aruta wrote: >> Thanks to all that have an interest in my 3 ASR33's with tape readers >>Since Bill Gates used one in his Dorm Room as an incentive to >>Microsoft, I have decided not to reply to the Firm offers I have received, >>but to place these machines on EBAY for Auction to establish the actual >>value. > >Sigh. > #1 it is unclear if Bill Gates *ever* had an ASR33 in his > Dorm room, that stupid and largely inaccurate TNT movie > not withstanding. > I don't think it really matters if Bill Gates used one. I am sure he used many other things we all use... and possibly things we would refuse to use ;-) > #2 it is unkind to misstate one's intentions, especially > to such a large group. > I think it's called "fishing" for $$$ >Next time please write: > > I'm going to try to squeeze every penny I can out of these > priceless historical pieces, even if it means melting them > down for their copper content. > >Rather than insinuate that you actually care whether or not the person who >gets them will preserve them or not. > >I don't believe there is anything "Wrong" with being cash greedy and >history foolish if you are honest about it.(look at all the money that was >made selling Egyption pyramid artifacts for their gold content!) Just >don't stop by this list and pretend you want them to go to a preservationist. > >Sigh, >--Chuck >

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Looking for DEC card Reader: CR11 or CM11

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi Gang: I'm interested in finding a card reader for my pdp-11 machines. The CR11 and CM11 models are what I'm looking for - they're a desktop variety that would work nicely with my current machines. Anyone out there have one they will part with? Kevin ========================================================== Sgt. Kevin McQuiggin, Vancouver Police Department E-Comm Project (604) 215-5095; Cell: (604) 868-0544 Email: mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca ========================================================== Sgt. Kevin McQuiggin, Vancouver Police Department E-Comm Project (604) 215-5095; Cell: (604) 868-0544 Email: mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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TI99: Is the following true?

by edick＠idcomm.com

I never learned to like the CBASIC and others of its pseudocoded ilk. The MBASIC was OK, though, and when it was finally the way you wanted, "it" could be compiled with BASCOM, which generated fairly decent code, even assembler if you wanted. It could be linked with output from M80 as well. You could even generate code with which to band-aid together output from their (MS) Fortran and COBOL using either MBASIC =>BASCOM=> (object linkable with L80) + output from compilers => thereby genrating interactive code from stuff that was originally designed for batch. That was more common than you might think. It was, after all, customary to scrounge useable FTN and COBOL >from the guys down the hall. My ex-partner made LOTS of dough using CP/M and these various compilers to generate useable output from long-obsolete but still functional code written for the mainframe down the hall. I guess that's why he got the big bucks. It was not unusual to have the payroll running on the micro while the figured out why they couldn't make it work on the behemoth. Even I was fairly impressed with the selection of stuff Billy and his buddies turned out! Dick Dick -----Original Message----- From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 8:48 PM Subject: RE: TI99: Is the following true? ><QBASIC was available for the M9900 from Marinchip for $220, according to ><their ad. It was a compiled Basic, article states you didn't need line ><numbers! Sounds like Microsoft stole from Marinchip, too, since this versio ><was available in 1981 for the Marinchip 9900 system! > >Ah, kids! > >Prior to the advent of the PC in 1981: > >Qbasic was a MS product befor they became a OS house. They used to be >heavy in languages and big apps. DRI (AKA CPM) was know for the OSs. > >MS offered languages and apps like Multiplan for APPLE (6502), 9900, >8080/z80, 16032, z8000 and I'm certain I've forgotten a few. > >So anywho, Qbasic was the MS answer to C-basic which was a semi compiled >non line number dependent basic. Qbasic is not fully compiled to native >machine assembly language. I know this as I still maintain a PC app >written in Qbasic (as recently as last week)! Qbasic also tried to copy >the Borland "IDE" <Integrated Development Environment> used the Turbo<insert >language here> they had for z80 and later PCs, in that you could edit, run >interpretively and then compile the working result. > >Oh, Qbasic also called runtime subroutines from the library for floating >point math (and other things too). > >Allison > > > >< ><> ---------- ><> From: Andy Frueh[SMTP:andyfrueh@hotmail.com] ><> Reply To: ti99(a)theriver.com ><> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:16 PM ><> To: ti99(a)theriver.com ><> Subject: RE: TI99: Is the following true? ><> ><> Hmmm...I guess where I'm getting confused is the way it handles floating ><> point...It DOES "do it" but it does it by converting it to an integer, ><> right? I guess that's what non-coprocessor machines must do, too. ><> ><> Oh well, 3 and 4 are still true, and I really dispute this is a "real" ><> story, even if elements of it ARE true. Especially that quote! :-) ><> ><> I don't have the magazine to look this up. Can we get more info on this ><> BASIC? ><> ><> ><> >From: "Yates, Ben" <BYates(a)mobilnet.gte.com> ><> >Reply-To: ti99(a)theriver.com ><> >To: "'ti99(a)theriver.com'" <ti99(a)theriver.com> ><> >Subject: RE: TI99: Is the following true? ><> >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:07:34 -0500 ><> > ><> >Look in the July/August 81 99'er magazine. Marinchip created a 9900 base ><> >system. ><> >To answer your questions: ><> >The 9900 cannot do floating point in hardware. Neither could the 8088 or ><> >286 ><> >without coprocessors. It emulates it in the ROM. ><> >QBASIC WAS a basic that sold for $220 (find it in the above magazine). ><> > ><> > ><> > > ---------- ><> > > From: Andy Frueh[SMTP:andyfrueh@hotmail.com] ><> > > Reply To: ti99(a)theriver.com ><> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:02 PM ><> > > To: ti99(a)theriver.com ><> > > Subject: Re: TI99: Is the following true? ><> > > ><> > > 1. Who would name their computer PC/OT given what that means? ><> > > 2. Can't the 9900 DO floating point? Why emulate it? ><> > > 3. When has a governor EVER cared about technology...or publicly made ><> >such ><> > > ><> > > silly comments? ><> > > 4. The R in RISC means Reduced, not rinkydink ><> > > 5. AFAIK, QBASIC is a MS program, and not something that runs on a ><> 9900 ><> > > ><> > > Based on that, I'd guess the following is NOT true. :-) ><> > > ><> > > ><> > > >From: "Yates, Ben" <BYates(a)mobilnet.gte.com> ><> > > >Reply-To: ti99(a)theriver.com ><> > > >To: "'ti99(a)TheRiver.com'" <ti99(a)TheRiver.com> ><> > > >Subject: TI99: Is the following true? ><> > > >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:46:43 -0500 ><> > > > ><> > > >from http://www.fourmilab.ch/autofile/www/section2_46_5.html ><> > > > ><> > > > <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> ><> > > >Next: Dear Jim Meadlock... Up: AutoBits Previous: CAD: The Final ><> > > > ><> > > >Marinchip Defeats IBM PC/AT In Benchmark ><> > > > ><> > > >Mill Valley, California, Mayday 1986. ><> > > >John Walker, President of Marinchip Systems Ltd., announced today ><> that ><> > > the ><> > > >Marinchip 9900-based PC/OT (Personal Computer/Obsolete Technology) ><> > > >resoundingly defeated the IBM PC/AT in an intense floating point ><> > > benchmark, ><> > > >even though the PC/AT was equipped with the 80287 math coprocessor. ><> > > >The benchmark was an optical ray tracing program involving primaril ><> > > >floating point computations, including evaluation of trigonometric ><> > > >functions. The Marinchip 9900 PC/OT executed the program in 69.32 ><> > > seconds, ><> > > >while the IBM PC/AT took 93.79 seconds to execute the same program. ><> > > >``Our PC/OT executed this real-world engineering program 26 percent ><> > > faster ><> > > >than IBM's much vaunted PC/AT, even though our 9900 processor was ><> > > operating ><> > > >at 2 megahertz, one third the speed of the PC/AT's 80286 CPU, and th ><> > > fact ><> > > >that the PC/OT was emulating floating point in software instead of ><> >using ><> > > a ><> > > >mathematics coprocessor. This benchmark vindicates our RISC ><> (Rinkydink ><> > > >Instruction Set Computer) architecture, and clearly demonstrates th ><> > > >superiority of our proprietary QBASIC language for scientific ><> > > >applications.'', said John Walker. ><> > > >The IBM PC/AT benchmark was run in Lattice C version 2.14, using th ><> > > ``-P'' ><> > > >memory model (large code, small data). The standard Lattice 2.14 ><> >library ><> > > >was ><> > > >used. The results calculated by the Marinchip PC/OT and the IBM PC/A ><> > > >agreed ><> > > >to 15 decimal places. ><> > > >Commenting on the results, California Governor George Dookmayjeun ><> said, ><> > > >``It ><> > > >just goes to show you how a bunch of clean living Californians can ><> beat ><> > > the ><> > > >spit out of those drug-soaked greasy Florida scumbags. Look, I don't ><> >give ><> > > a ><> > > >flying fork what you quote me as saying, but please spell my freakin ><> > > name ><> > > >right!''. <<...>> ><> > > > ><> > > >Editor: John Walker ><> > > > ><> > > > ><> > > ><> > > ______________________________________________________ ><> > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ><> > > ><> > ><> > ><> ><> ______________________________________________________ ><> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ><> >< >

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Convergent Technologies WorkSlate

by Maddog1331＠aol.com

Hey, I was wondering...could any of you folks help me give a value to a Convergent Technologies workSlate? It has a printer with it...but as of yet I havent found the power cords....I bought like a truckload of old computer stuff the other day (the collectors dream man...tons of stuff), that had a bunch of Sinclair 1000s, boxed 16k ram for the Sinclairs, Boxed TI/99s, and a bunch of other stuff I havent went through. Anyway, the workSlate was the only thing I had never seen before! I am really curious about it! I hope to find the power cords and such and get it to working. But right now, I just need to know what kind of value it is. Could you help me? Thanks! Mark Saarinen

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TI99: Is the following true?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<QBASIC was available for the M9900 from Marinchip for $220, according to <their ad. It was a compiled Basic, article states you didn't need line <numbers! Sounds like Microsoft stole from Marinchip, too, since this versio <was available in 1981 for the Marinchip 9900 system! Ah, kids! Prior to the advent of the PC in 1981: Qbasic was a MS product befor they became a OS house. They used to be heavy in languages and big apps. DRI (AKA CPM) was know for the OSs. MS offered languages and apps like Multiplan for APPLE (6502), 9900, 8080/z80, 16032, z8000 and I'm certain I've forgotten a few. So anywho, Qbasic was the MS answer to C-basic which was a semi compiled non line number dependent basic. Qbasic is not fully compiled to native machine assembly language. I know this as I still maintain a PC app written in Qbasic (as recently as last week)! Qbasic also tried to copy the Borland "IDE" <Integrated Development Environment> used the Turbo<insert language here> they had for z80 and later PCs, in that you could edit, run interpretively and then compile the working result. Oh, Qbasic also called runtime subroutines from the library for floating point math (and other things too). Allison < <> ---------- <> From: Andy Frueh[SMTP:andyfrueh@hotmail.com] <> Reply To: ti99(a)theriver.com <> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:16 PM <> To: ti99(a)theriver.com <> Subject: RE: TI99: Is the following true? <> <> Hmmm...I guess where I'm getting confused is the way it handles floating <> point...It DOES "do it" but it does it by converting it to an integer, <> right? I guess that's what non-coprocessor machines must do, too. <> <> Oh well, 3 and 4 are still true, and I really dispute this is a "real" <> story, even if elements of it ARE true. Especially that quote! :-) <> <> I don't have the magazine to look this up. Can we get more info on this <> BASIC? <> <> <> >From: "Yates, Ben" <BYates(a)mobilnet.gte.com> <> >Reply-To: ti99(a)theriver.com <> >To: "'ti99(a)theriver.com'" <ti99(a)theriver.com> <> >Subject: RE: TI99: Is the following true? <> >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:07:34 -0500 <> > <> >Look in the July/August 81 99'er magazine. Marinchip created a 9900 base <> >system. <> >To answer your questions: <> >The 9900 cannot do floating point in hardware. Neither could the 8088 or <> >286 <> >without coprocessors. It emulates it in the ROM. <> >QBASIC WAS a basic that sold for $220 (find it in the above magazine). <> > <> > <> > > ---------- <> > > From: Andy Frueh[SMTP:andyfrueh@hotmail.com] <> > > Reply To: ti99(a)theriver.com <> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:02 PM <> > > To: ti99(a)theriver.com <> > > Subject: Re: TI99: Is the following true? <> > > <> > > 1. Who would name their computer PC/OT given what that means? <> > > 2. Can't the 9900 DO floating point? Why emulate it? <> > > 3. When has a governor EVER cared about technology...or publicly made <> >such <> > > <> > > silly comments? <> > > 4. The R in RISC means Reduced, not rinkydink <> > > 5. AFAIK, QBASIC is a MS program, and not something that runs on a <> 9900 <> > > <> > > Based on that, I'd guess the following is NOT true. :-) <> > > <> > > <> > > >From: "Yates, Ben" <BYates(a)mobilnet.gte.com> <> > > >Reply-To: ti99(a)theriver.com <> > > >To: "'ti99(a)TheRiver.com'" <ti99(a)TheRiver.com> <> > > >Subject: TI99: Is the following true? <> > > >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:46:43 -0500 <> > > > <> > > >from http://www.fourmilab.ch/autofile/www/section2_46_5.html <> > > > <> > > > <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <> > > >Next: Dear Jim Meadlock... Up: AutoBits Previous: CAD: The Final <> > > > <> > > >Marinchip Defeats IBM PC/AT In Benchmark <> > > > <> > > >Mill Valley, California, Mayday 1986. <> > > >John Walker, President of Marinchip Systems Ltd., announced today <> that <> > > the <> > > >Marinchip 9900-based PC/OT (Personal Computer/Obsolete Technology) <> > > >resoundingly defeated the IBM PC/AT in an intense floating point <> > > benchmark, <> > > >even though the PC/AT was equipped with the 80287 math coprocessor. <> > > >The benchmark was an optical ray tracing program involving primaril <> > > >floating point computations, including evaluation of trigonometric <> > > >functions. The Marinchip 9900 PC/OT executed the program in 69.32 <> > > seconds, <> > > >while the IBM PC/AT took 93.79 seconds to execute the same program. <> > > >``Our PC/OT executed this real-world engineering program 26 percent <> > > faster <> > > >than IBM's much vaunted PC/AT, even though our 9900 processor was <> > > operating <> > > >at 2 megahertz, one third the speed of the PC/AT's 80286 CPU, and th <> > > fact <> > > >that the PC/OT was emulating floating point in software instead of <> >using <> > > a <> > > >mathematics coprocessor. This benchmark vindicates our RISC <> (Rinkydink <> > > >Instruction Set Computer) architecture, and clearly demonstrates th <> > > >superiority of our proprietary QBASIC language for scientific <> > > >applications.'', said John Walker. <> > > >The IBM PC/AT benchmark was run in Lattice C version 2.14, using th <> > > ``-P'' <> > > >memory model (large code, small data). The standard Lattice 2.14 <> >library <> > > >was <> > > >used. The results calculated by the Marinchip PC/OT and the IBM PC/A <> > > >agreed <> > > >to 15 decimal places. <> > > >Commenting on the results, California Governor George Dookmayjeun <> said, <> > > >``It <> > > >just goes to show you how a bunch of clean living Californians can <> beat <> > > the <> > > >spit out of those drug-soaked greasy Florida scumbags. Look, I don't <> >give <> > > a <> > > >flying fork what you quote me as saying, but please spell my freakin <> > > name <> > > >right!''. <<...>> <> > > > <> > > >Editor: John Walker <> > > > <> > > > <> > > <> > > ______________________________________________________ <> > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com <> > > <> > <> > <> <> ______________________________________________________ <> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com <> <

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TI99: Is the following true?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Look in the July/August 81 99'er magazine. Marinchip created a 9900 based <system. I've always wanted one of their S100 based 9900 cards, it was a nice 16bitter for the time. maybe its the same one. Besides the 9900 was a very good CISC instruction set and I'd considered it second to the PDP-11. Of course both are minicomputers (or based on one ti990). Allison

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Famous Bill Gates Harvard ASR33 Clones!

by denic＠liii.com

Thanks to all that have an interest in my 3 ASR33's with tape readers Since Bill Gates used one in his Dorm Room as an incentive to Microsoft, I have decided not to reply to the Firm offers I have received, but to place these machines on EBAY for Auction to establish the actual value. When and if I do this I will e-mail an announcemnet to you. If you are bothered by this e-mail and do not wish to participate, please reply and I will delete your address. Otherwise I just may put them instorage for my GrandChildren! :~) Best Regards. Dennis Aruta, Owner ShipFix (c) & International Commerce List (c), <a href="http://members.aol.com./denicny/trade.html"> INTERNATIONAL COMMERCE + SHIPS </a> <a href="http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb522111"> Visit my Message Board </a> FireTalk 34260 denic ICQ #174727 Mailing address: Denar Chartering Inc.(since 1971) Phone: 516-326-2300 P.O. Box 1147, Denar House Fax: 516-326-2519 New Hyde Park N.Y. 11040 Tlx: 4971419 U.S.A. email: Denic(a)liii.com DenicNY(a)aol.com

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If this is what I think it is...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I have a device labeled a "VIKING UDT" that purports to be a Unibus SCSI disk controller. Anyone have more info on this? -------

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VAXStation 3100 problems :(

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- "Clint Wolff (VAX collector)" <vaxman(a)uswest.net> wrote: > Now, if i remember the VS2000 stuff correctly, > > Finally, does anyone know what the lowest version of Ultrix that will > run on this box is? Since there was both VS2000 and VS3100 stuff here, I'm not sure I'm answering the right question, but I have personally loaded Ultrix T-2.0 on a VS2000. We got a prerelease version from DEC way back when. I do not know if Ultrix 1.1 will run on a MicroVAX of any kind (but it will run on a VAX-11/730 - I used it to attach our company to Usenet before the great renaming). -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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DEC Handbooks

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote: > > Can anyone please point me at a complete(ish) list of all the various > > PDP/VAX related DEC handbooks? > > > > TIA. > > > > TTFN - Pete. > > Best list I know of is the list Megan has on her web pages, sorry don't have > the URL. I happen to be working on a list this week... it's not *all* the handbooks, but it's all the ones that _I_ have. I'm about 10% done. http://penguincentral.com/cgi-penguincentral/dwg?file=docs/data/handbooks.t… Also... I'm inventorying the two boxes of B-sized prints I found in the attic this last week (after a six month search!). Neither is exhaustive, but the first box is at least all listed by the identity of the cover sheet (since many of the print sets contain entire other prints sets in their own rights). I'm going through the second box more carefully for the first pass. It's a good thing I did: I found a ASR-33 test/adjustment document at the back of something completely different. All I need now is a set of feeler gauges. http://penguincentral.com/cgi-penguincentral/dwg?file=docs/data/box1.txt http://penguincentral.com/cgi-penguincentral/dwg?file=docs/data/box2.txt Before anyone asks, no, I haven't scanned any of this. I do not have access to an 11"x17" scanner. I wish I did. The CGI script is just something I whipped up for basic formatting to turn a comma-separated file into a table with the CGI.pm module in perl. The greatest perk of my current assignment is that we use OO perl for production code. I've picked up quite an arsenal of perl tricks over the past six months. Eventually, I'll be sprucing up the retrocomputing pages at... http://penguincentral.com/retrocomputing/ ... but it's not high on the list of things to do this month. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Prime 2550 possibly available

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Saturday, November 13, 1999 12:48 AM, John Lawson [SMTP:jpl15@netcom.com] wrote: > > > I have been thinkin' lately that perhaps I oughta stick strictly > to DEC Stuff... and I am trying to reduce the tonnage around here. > > So I gets to lookin' at the bee-yoo-tee-full PR1ME mainframe that > I actually paid to rescue. And it ain't got no DEC logos on it nowhere. > I've got a 2550 with a bad CPU. Just wondering if you've got any spare parts laying about? Thanks, Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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OT: A Unix question (the TALK function).....

by arfonrg＠texas.net

Well, TALK is an old command so, maybe it's not off topic.... Can anyone tell me what's going on... When I "talk wolf(a)hera.dominion.net", it SEEMS to make a connection then I get "[Checking for invitation on caller's machine]" and it sits there... mocking me. (Stupid machine). Talk works fine when myself and the person I am trying to contact are on the same machine. What is the deal? A ---------------------------------------- Tired of Micro$oft??? Move up to a REAL OS... ######__ __ ____ __ __ _ __ # #####/ / / / / __ | / / / / | |/ /## ####/ / / / / / / / / / / / | /### ###/ /__ / / / / / / / /_/ / / |#### ##/____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_____/ /_/|_|#### # ###### ("LINUX" for those of you without fixed-width fonts) ---------------------------------------- Be a Slacker! http://www.slackware.com Slackware Mailing List: http://www.digitalslackers.net/linux/list.html

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E.U.N.U.C.H.

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

Mineral oil has been done; check out the Dr. Ffreeze project (with pictures) at: http://www.accsdata.com/drffreeze/Default.htm Cheers, Mark. -----Original Message----- From: Arfon Gryffydd <arfonrg(a)texas.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 1:41 PM Subject: Re: E.U.N.U.C.H. >How about submerging the whole MB in a container of Mineral oil or >anti-freeze with a circulation pump? Is anti-freeze conductive? I'd like >to try that! > >

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Help identify a 'luggable'

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Any Compaq stickers on ROM chips? 8088 Processor? Compaq Logo posted on boot? or Compaq BIOS message? It can't be that clean!! Their original video card which did either color or mono should also have Compaq Specific ROM stickers.and Perhap Paradise Palm Tree logos etched on the card. FCCID labels on the Main Board should be tracible to Compaq. Compaq was very proud to have Clean "Compatible" Bios I was the Owner of Luggable Serial # ??000029. I should have my manuals somewhere. Power supply was the weakness early luggables had. Does it power up? -----Original Message----- From: Mzthompson(a)aol.com [mailto:Mzthompson@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 3:36 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Help identify a 'luggable' I am trying to help someone identify a machine. They believe it is a Compaq 'luggable', but the name plates have been removed. Following is some info. I realize it is not much to go, but if anyone has some insight, I would appreaciate it. Mike *outside dimensions width 19", length 17", height 7 1/2 " * keyboard has spiral cable from back right of keyboard to main case, and has sliders that move toward center of back of kb to unlock *monitor is 'orange', left edge is 3 5/8 inches in from left outside right edge is 11 1/4 " from left outside * power/reset push buttom is near bottom of front panel, center 6 1/2 " >from right side, center measurement * opening for diskette drives ( a 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 ) has left edge 6 5/8 inches from right side * there are apparently nameplate 'places' at back left of keyboard top left on from panel * keyboard has 3 red lights at back left labeled ( left to right ) caps lock num lock scroll lock * on the left side ( looking from the front ) is a sliding door with access to end of circuit boards inside for plugs a rocker switch labeled - MONO RGB * on right side door fan power switch socket for AC power cord

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IBM 9370 Mainframe Specs?

by gregorym＠cadvision.com

There is an IBM 9370 Mainframe coming available in my area, and I'm considering acquiring it (never had my own mainframe to play with). I haven't been able to find much on the Web about this family of systems. Can anyone point me to some info or confirm/deny the following facts: System produced: circa 1986 - 1988 Intended market: "departmental mainframe", 20-100 users Operating system: VM/SE Dimensions: Refridgeratorish Weight: 300 lb racks; 200-300 lb processor assembly; drives ??? Typical peripherals: DASD drives, high-volume, heavy printers (500 lbs +), tape drives, PS/2 consoles Networking: ASCII subsystem for terminals, Ethernet? Power and Cooling requirements: 3 phase power (240 V)?? I suspect that this system will be too large for my available space; is anyone else in or near Western Canada interested in the system in whole or in part? Thanks for any help. Mark Gregory

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Help identify a 'luggable'

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

I am trying to help someone identify a machine. They believe it is a Compaq 'luggable', but the name plates have been removed. Following is some info. I realize it is not much to go, but if anyone has some insight, I would appreaciate it. Mike *outside dimensions width 19", length 17", height 7 1/2 " * keyboard has spiral cable from back right of keyboard to main case, and has sliders that move toward center of back of kb to unlock *monitor is 'orange', left edge is 3 5/8 inches in from left outside right edge is 11 1/4 " from left outside * power/reset push buttom is near bottom of front panel, center 6 1/2 " >from right side, center measurement * opening for diskette drives ( a 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 ) has left edge 6 5/8 inches from right side * there are apparently nameplate 'places' at back left of keyboard top left on from panel * keyboard has 3 red lights at back left labeled ( left to right ) caps lock num lock scroll lock * on the left side ( looking from the front ) is a sliding door with access to end of circuit boards inside for plugs a rocker switch labeled - MONO RGB * on right side door fan power switch socket for AC power cord

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Jumper settings for TEAC FD235HF p/n 19307322-17

by Sid.Payne＠radisys.com

Do you have jumper setting descriptions for this ? H-HO OP LHI HHI

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Computers and other hardware containing the 8008 microprocessor

by jlewczyk＠his.com

Hi, I'm trying to compile a list of computers and other hardware that contained the venerable Intel 8008 microprocessor. So far this is the list of 8008 based computers that have been made aware of: 1973 "Micral" by R2E (later merged with Bull) Made in France 1973 "Intellec-8" by Intel (development system) 1974 "Scelbi-8H" by Scelbi Consulting (kit and assembled) 1974 "Mark-8" by Jon Titus in Radio Electronics 7/74. Plans and PC boards only. 1974 "008A Microcomputer Kit" RGS Electonics. Plans and all parts, except cabinet and assorted hardware. ? PopTronics (Popular Electronics?) <-- Does anyone know anything about this? What issue would it have been in if it was in that magazine. ? Homebrew systems. I'll compile a list of people who have made these if they want to go public :-) Got a picture? I'd like to also compile a list of other 8008 based machines - one where the 8008 was an embedded controller. If you have any info, such as manufacturer, model number, date of introduction, etc. please let me know. ? Terminal (Not Datapoint I understand, perhaps Beehive?) ? Front panel of a PDP-11? computer ? Instrument Test equipment ? Pinball Machine ! Datapoint 2200 (architecture was the model for the 8008, was built using LSI, not an 8008) Can you contribute anything to this list? I'll post it on my web site and hope to catch comments, add facts to it. Post to the list or to me if you'd like. Thanks! John Lewczyk jlewczyk(a)his.com www.his.com\jlewczyk

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Dont want to start a flame war here but

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Just curious. What motivates someone to collect old minis and mainframes?? <I can see it being nice to look at for a while, but something as big as a m <very cumbersome to have around the house (let alone an apartment). And wha ..... Well my largest is the 8F maybe one of the VAXen. The S100 crates do weigh in though. Seriously, I use the S100 z80 systems for 8085/z80/804x/8051/1802 development actively. There are somethings that a emulator on a PC will not prove out. The PDP-11s are active machines for expeimentation with older IO cards some sound stuff and a robust os. Vaxen 3100s and MVIIs, I like VMS and it's reliability. I keep them active and plan to replace the @#$%^&&! PC with something I can eventually run a 24x365 connection to the net. the PDP-8 and DECMATE-III are for PDP-8 programming and hacking. Of all the machines these do get less than an hour a week on average. Lack of mass storage on the 8F partly to blame. Still it's convenient and has a front pannel so I'll turn it on and run Acc inchworm or try a few dozen bytes of code just because. Core is nice for that. None of these are mainframe class but, if you add them all up including the SBCs (all the working hardware that is) there are more than 30 systems. Practical use... They are all practical, speed often is not a consideration and in some cases they do ok for themselves. Unlike old cars and the like using them is good for them. Allison

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Dont want to start a flame war here but

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Bruce, I have a MicroVax I I have been able to communicate to it using a terminal emulator into one of its serial ports. I believe it has VMS 4.X? loaded, But it has been too long since I last had it running. I was able to list devices, But now I forget the login process. I have always wanted to get more mainstream with a version Unix for this Box. What can you tell me of freeBSD Unix? What is it's distribution media? This unit has the 5.25 floppies, which I dont recall ever being able to boot (Only because I don't know VMS, nor do I know what programs or utilities I have on Floppy that are "Bootable"). Where do I start? Learn VMS or Learn hardware requirement for, and get FreeBSD? Hardware is rock solid. Sincerely Larry Truthan -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Lane [mailto:kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 9:41 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Dont want to start a flame war here but At 23:21 15-11-1999 -0500, somebody wrote: ><Just curious. What motivates someone to collect old minis and mainframes?? ><I can see it being nice to look at for a while, but something as big as a m ><very cumbersome to have around the house (let alone an apartment). And wha <snip> You seem to be under the mistaken impression that all minis and mainframes are huge monsters. While this may be true of most mainframes, and some minis, there are many that are not much bigger than a large tower PC. My reasons for collecting the beasties are, like Allison's, a mix of practical and a dislike of modern "commoditized" hardware that seems to be built specifically not be reparable at the component level. I have here mostly MicroVAX, MicroPDP, and some Sun SPARCs (not quite classics yet -- give it another year or so). The MicroVAXen run NetBSD (a free Unix OS) exceptionally well, are built like the proverbial tank, and are readily reparable in the rare event that something goes flooey. I have one MV III that will become my news and FTP server. Once NetBSD 1.5 gets released, it is likely that either one of my 3100's or the DECStation RISC box I have will become a mail server. Web will be handled either by another MV III or a Sun box. I've yet to decide for certain. The MicroPDP's I have are idle at the moment. I want to find a decent Unix load for them. Failing that, I will probably trade them off to one or more of my fellow list members for other goodies. Others have asked me why I don't just go with a bunch of PCs running Linux. The answer is 'Robustness.' While some PCs have gotten much more reliable, hardware-wise, I've yet to see any such system that's built to the same standards as the DEC hardware. Even Sun, in many cases, makes use of more plastic than I'd usually prefer to see. Technical and design excellence is a top priority with me, even if it costs a little more to use or the rest of the world has abandoned it. Case in point: My cellphone is an older Motorola 'flip' style, one of their first-generation digital TDMA units. It only works digital on AT&T's network, hasn't been manufactured for several years, and lacks the fancy LCD and whizzy features of the modern units. HOWEVER -- it's built very well, and it fits my hand and face far better than any of the "toy" cellphones being pushed by the resellers. BTW, off-topic, but if anyone knows of a "sports" or "rugged duty" cellphone, I'd sure like to hear about it. None of the "smaller and lighter" craze units I've seen even come close. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Dont want to start a flame war here but

by mrdos＠swbell.net

I collect because it's fun, and useful. I still type papers and reports on my old Apple IIe. I love restoring computers that are in less than good condition. Right now I'm restoring an old Altos. Its in awful shape. I have to replace 3/4 of the ICs, a lot of the capacitors, and maybe even find/build a new power supply. But I'm looking forward to it, not dreading it. I have a computer in almost every room of the house. Everywhere you look you see a Nova, TRS-80, System/3x, and everything else you can think of. It really is fun. And there are a lot of collectors who would agree with me.

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DEC Handbooks

by peter.pachla＠wintermute.org.uk

Can anyone please point me at a complete(ish) list of all the various PDP/VAX related DEC handbooks? TIA. TTFN - Pete. -- Hardware & Software Engineer. Sound Engineer. Collector of Arcade Machines, Games Consoles & Obsolete Computers (esp DEC) peter.pachla(a)wintermute.org.uk | peter.pachla(a)vectrex.freeserve.co.uk | peter.pachla(a)virgin.net | peter.pachla(a)wintermute.free-online.co.uk | www.wintermute.free-online.co.uk --

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DEC Handbooks

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Best list I know of is the list Megan has on her web pages, sorry don't >have the URL. Thanks for the compliment... http://world.std.com/~mbg/dec_handbooks.html And the companion list of DEC reference cards: http://world.std.com/~mbg/dec_refcards.html >Someone, whose name escapes me (something like Kevin Stumpf maybe), is >working on a list for a book he's doing (he's a list member and asked >about this a few months ago). Yep, he's the one... I basically put my list together to send to him, then I turned it into a web page (which still needs work). Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Fireproofing questions

by truthanl＠oclc.org

-----Original Message----- From: Aaron Christopher Finney [mailto:af-list@is1.wfi-inc.com] Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 8:22 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Fireproofing questions Hi all, .. I placed a hot clothes iron on the outer wall and measured the temperature/rate of climb on the inner wall, as well as the ambient temperature inside the cabinet. It was enough that, even with a comparatively small heat source (well, to a garage fire, anyway), anything within a few inches of the inner wall would have most definitely been damaged, and possibly items close to the center after a half-hour of exposure to the heat source. Aaron asks: is there something anyone could recommend that would make a good lining for the inner walls of the cabinet to insulate it from heat? Drywall/ sheetrock/ Gypsum Board. Clipped or cemented in place. Its common, Its Flat, the Gypsum part wont flame. Its Fire rated. The expanding foam is definately NOT what you want. Its chemical composition provides fuel and oxygen to fire. If you have voids to fill - Plaster? OR High Density FiberGlass Panels as in Commercial Drop-Cieling Panel Tiles. This stuff is densely pressed, (Often embossed with a pattern) The Commercial grade panels are somewhat rigid - but also fire rated for close proximity to commercial lighting. Note the stuff is pressed class fiber - Not impregnated, bound, or laminated with epoxy or polyester resin. The resins also support Flame with out need of too much oxygen.

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VAXStation 3100 problems :(

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

Well, I can tell you that the "1" means that the network interface is not terminated.. hook up a transciever to the AUI port or put some terminators on the BNC port and that error should go away.. I can't quite remember what "4" is though ;) -Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net)

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Customs Tricks (was: Re: Whoohoo! Fortune Telling...

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, November 13, 1999 8:49 PM Subject: Re: Customs Tricks (was: Re: Whoohoo! Fortune Telling... >Rumor has it that John B may have mentioned these words: > >>>Which *your* do you mean? On which side of the creek do you reside? ;-) >> >>I reside in Canada.... > >O.K. I'm on the US side in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan. One thing I can tell >you that here we only have 2 donut shops, and they're pretty decent - in a >city of 14,000 it doesn't pay to kill off the locals... ;-) (Sault, Ontario >has over 80,000 people, I believe, so they have more donut shops to choose >from.) If ever we all meet in Niagara Falls, New York, avoid the donut shops! > OLC has an office up there. To be fair to the province they have their quarterly meetings in each "quadrant" of Ontario.. He complains about the Sault.. >>You got it! Yes sir, no sir, can I wipe your.... > >:-) Ain't that the truth! :-) > >>In Canada they move the agents A LOT! They make sure you won't get someone >>you know everytime... plus a lot of summer students. > >Wow... must be that small-town stuff again. Most all agents even on the >Canadian side here are over 30, so either they're *really* old students or >they don't have access to many students up here. On the US side here, >someone has to die if you want a job at Customs, so I'm somewhat chummy >with most of the officers here. [[And that's the "important" side for me... >Canada's usually quite easy: "Citizenship?" US. (sometimes with a thumb >pointed south... ;-) "Why're ya coming to Canada?" Shop. "How long you >gonna be here?" Couplhours. "Bringing anything?" Nah. "Go ahead."]] HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAH... Verbatim... Our line is always: Where are you going? Factory outlet malls on Military Road. (A lot more believable if my wife is in the car ;-) ) > >Oh, and don't think the fact your car/truck is nice and shiny and clean and >tuned will that keep you from getting stopped. Luck has everything to do >with it, and if the officer you pull up to got lucky the night before, it's >a breeze. If not... :-( Agreed. > >I went to Canada once, wearing greasy sweats, hadn't shaved for a week and >wore a baseball cap that said "Candy is dandy but sex won't rot your teeth" >;-), truck barely ran, needed brakes & squealed badly whenever you appled >them, muddy as hell, was an *absolute* mess (including 2 US military >uniforms crumpled on the passanger side), the bed of the truck was full of >trash, most of which was vegetative (which is a *big* no-no when crossing >the border) and the guard asked my citizenship, looked at me funny and >waved me thru. > >The next week: fixed, tuned & washed the truck, cleaned, vacuumed and >dusted the interior, cleaned out the bed fully, was dressed in a white >shirt and tie, fresh haircut... and Bam! The only time I've been pulled >over at Canadian Customs. The truck got tagged, they pulled me into the >shack, and I got grilled for 20 minutes about everything from what I had >for breakfast to the color of my underwear. And... interrogations from >border guards are akin to the CIA... They don't *ask* questions. > I have seen it happen many times. More often I watch people get busted for hiding booze in the spare tire. Funniest one was once I saw this car speed through.. sirens went off, and the trunk popped open.. A bunch of Immigrants went running in every direction. >"Yes, Mr. .... Merfriglburger" > "That's Mer\sssh\berger" >"Yea, whatever. You work at Can-Am?" > "Yes." >"And you make $3.75 per hour?" > "Yes." (getting a bit upset at that...) >"You crossed into Canada 6 1/2 days ago?" > "Yes." (thinking... Damn, I'd love to see their network system!) > (This was 13-14 years ago, after all...) >"And you *say* you're coming here for the same reason this week?" > "Yes, the Radio Shack still has a sale on, and I got paid today." >"Yea, whatever. How much money do you have on your person?" > (I *damn* near said "You know everything else about me... > you don't know that, too?" Gratefully, I held my forked tongue ;-) > "Hummmm... $65-odd cash Canadian, and I guess around $45-$50 US." > (and yes, you can be refused entry into *either* country > based on vagrancy - If you don't have enough cash to sustain It works both ways.. You get tossed if you don't have enough or you get beaten with drug charges if you have more than $10K. > you during your stay in said foriegn land, you'll be sent packing.) >"Thank you. Please replace all of your personal items and be on your way." > >I stepped outside and everything but the steering wheel & seat were removed >from my truck... including the contents of the glove compartment & other >places of "personal" storage. > >[[Editor's note - I'm not just picking on Canadian Customs - Years ago >(when I was an infant, so that's ~30 years ago) my parents were coming back >into the US when US customs stopped them, tore the car apart *including the >seats*. When they were all done, they said "You can go. You have 15 minutes >to be out of the building." *thankfully* my dad is one hell of a mechanic >and had a full toolset with him and could reinstall the seats in a few >minutes - despite the fact the tools were spread in a 10 foot radius around >the car. No joke.]] > >Customs can be your friend, or they can be the most sadistic bastards >you've ever known. Be nice to them even if they're assholes - or you'll >regret it if you do any border crossing at all. > Sadistic?? HAM RADIO GUYS CAN BE SADISTIC. I use to go to hamfests to pick up pdp 11 stuff. One year there was a show in Buffalo (convention center I think).. A Ham Radio guy I knew was still pissed off with the stuff I got from the last Ham Fest (he missed it as I got there early)... so what did he do???? He called the US Customs office. Gave them MY plate, car, and where I was going... He told them I was smuggling RAM chips in the car. (remember when a meg of Dynamic Ram was $1000?). Well, when I pulled up I heard 3 buzzers go off. They customs guy asked me who I was.. took my license and *told* me to pull over. They pulled apart the car. After finding nothing they told me they were looking for smuggled RAM chips... I thought about it and figured it out with them... When I got to the Ham Fest BEN HENDRICKS (the soon to be beaten HAM guy) asked me how my trip was? and smirked.... I got even with him in a *DEC* kind of way.... (but that's another message). WARNING THOUGH - SIGNIFICANT DEC HARDWARE WAS DAMAGED *BY* HIM IN THE PROCESS. He *really* should have checked the disk media before inserting.... >>I only ever got lucky once and got a girl I use to go to school with... wish >>I had a Picasso in the car that day :-( > >You can *afford* a Picasso? You must have one hell of a computer collection!!! >;-) Not quite.... but I do have an *okay* group right now, and go through MANY old minis (pre- 1972)... I don't really collect though (I am not a pack rat)... I restore systems for *deep pocket* collectors on the side (beginning to be full time) for $$$$. I only keep a few minis that I enjoy playing with... John http://www.pdp8.com/ (to see the newest acquisitions - last month to present). > >Take care, >Roger "Merch" Merchberger >-- >Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers >Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. > >If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead >disarmament should *not* be your first career choice. >

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OT: patenting an old year/date concept, to make millions

by mbg＠world.std.com

>You might want to check your manuals again, Megan - for the past two >decades that I've been doing RT-11 programming, the month field in the >date word *does* run 1-12, not 0-11. (Actually, 0-11 would make >more sense since you're almost always using it as an index into a >table of month names...) Good catch... After 25 years of RT user/developer/user time, you would think I would get it right all the time... :-) That's why I write the code to do the right thing to begin with.. so I don't have to worry about it later... :-) The bottom line is that since the year can be zero, you use a field of the date word which cannot be zero in a valid date (and if you want to completely validate it, you check to see if each field is in the allowable range). The point being that the fact that 1972 was not allowed by the date command when it truly was a valid RT year is a bug, not the official 'legal' limits to years as Jerome had mentioned. >And, of course, the CSI command lines generally expect RAD50 constants >for months, not numbers, so you can generally type > ... > 004322 instead of APR ... > >Note that octal 004322 = decimal 2258. So some fixes are going >to happen in the future with date parsing if one wants to be sure not >to confuse 'APR' with the year '2258' :-). Yep, I remember noting this when I was working on my copy of RT, but it wasn't a problem within the RT epoch of 1972-2099... so... >There are some other funny things with year parsing in CSI command lines >that have been around since the mid 70's. In particular, most of the >RT-11 utilities used to (that is, prior to 5.7) take as legal years >59 through 63 decimal. Convert these to octal, and you see they >are represented as 73 through 77. This way, if you forgot the decimal >point on a CSI command line in specifying a year in the range 73-77, >the utility "fixed it up" for you with the "do what I mean" operator :-). >It's a cute trick, but it doesn't work from 1980 through 1999 because >8 and 9 aren't legal octal digits... and it wasn't reimplemented for >4 digit years in the range of 2000-2007. It's not a cute trick, it is an *ugly* hack, since it tries to account for someone's bad typing... (personal opinion) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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VAXStation 3100 problems :(

by vaxman＠uswest.net

Hi, I finally dug my VS3100 out and powered it up, and I think I have some bad parts :( On power up it says: KA42 V1.3 F...E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7_..6_..5...4...3_..2_..1?.. ? E 0040 0000.0005 ? B 0010 0020.0081 ? 4 00D0 0007.0213 ?? 1 00C0 0011.700E >> NOTE: I have the SCSI/ST506 board unplugged, and no mass storage installed (hence the 7_,6_,3_,2_,1? errors) Now, if i remember the VS2000 stuff correctly, ?E says the 8plane graphics is hosed... The visual symptom is the red plane (the whole plane, no text or anything) blinks on and off, and seems to scroll to the upper left. Disconnecting the red input make it go away, but no red then. Removing the 8plane board and connecting the red to the green (w/sync) input works ok. Anyone run into this before? Any suggestions for how to go about fixing it? ?B says the memory board is hosed. There are two memory boards, a DEC 4MB board (it works when plugged in alone), and a DATARAM memory board (the only numbers I see on it are: 40967 Rev F) Their website advertises a lifetime warranty, has anyone exercised it? Can anyone translate the error message into something I can use to debug the board? What do the ?4 and ?1 errors mean? (As if I didn't have enough problems) Is the VS40X (the 8 plane board) the same as the one in the VS2000? Can I plug it in to my VS2000 to test it? Or move the 4 plane from the VS2000 into the 3100? WHere can I get the carriers for disk drives? This box doesn't have any... Finally, does anyone know what the lowest version of Ultrix that will run on this box is? THanks, clint

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Just found some PDP-4 paper tape software

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

It's called "Contest - II - 8K" 7/30/63. There are some more PDP-4 tapes I have seen (just digging them out). Anyone have any idea what this is? john

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Fireproofing questions

by edick＠idcomm.com

The cabinet you obtained may indeed be fireproof. That means that you can safely store your irreplaceable documents, e.g. your rich uncle's will, your birth certificate, your early computer schematics and service documents, and rely on their remaining intact while the car and remainder of your garage go up in flames. However, I would not recommend it for irreplaceable media which cannot tolerate high temperature. Fireproof generally means that fire on the outside will stay on the outside, while fire on the inside will, likewise, stay on the inside. Clearly there's cause for wanting one or both in many cases. If you want safe, fireproof storage in the sense that your mag media and other thermally sensitive materials will survive, I'd recommend a welded aluminum cabinet which you bury in your back yard with access from the top, perhaps covered by a cinder paving block or even a pallet or two with a utility shed over the top. You could park your lawnmower over it with little ill effect. Even a fire in the gasoline or paint you store there won't damage the contents of the vault. Its contents should remain both cool and dry, and you can have access whenever the situation demands. It might be a good idea to store units of mag media in zip-loc freezer bags with some form of dessicant so as to avoid condensation of water which will lead to mold or mildew. Such an arrangement would be ideal for off-site secure storage of backups. The most convenient such application, using the area under a utility shed, that I've seen was a small chest freezer. So long as the opening is above the worst-case water line, a freezer or old refrigerator might work well. It's just that they tend to rust. It's very dry most of the time here in Colorado. A kitchen appliance might not work so well in Florida or elsewhere where the water table is shallow and the mineral content of the water is high. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Christopher Finney <af-list(a)is1.wfi-inc.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 6:24 PM Subject: Fireproofing questions >Hi all, > >I just scored a 6-foot metal, 2-door cabinet that is marked as fireproof. >I'd like to think it'd be a great place to store classic media, but it's >not entirely heat-proof. To test it, I placed a hot clothes iron on the >outer wall and measured the temperature/rate of climb on the inner wall, >as well as the ambient temperature inside the cabinet. It was enough that, >even with a comparatively small heat source (well, to a garage fire, >anyway), anything within a few inches of the inner wall would have most >definitely been damaged, and possibly items close to the center after a >half-hour of exposure to the heat source. > >My question is this: is there something anyone could recommend that would >make a good lining for the inner walls of the cabinet to insulate it from >heat? Something that doesn't take up too much room (would kind of defeat >the purpose of having a cabinet to store things in) and would protect the >interior contents in case of a small fire. I don't think there's anything >between the inner and outer walls besides air, though I'm not certain. >Perhaps I could squirt some of that expanding foam in there or something? > >Cheers, > >Aaron > >

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Effective Speed of 10BaseT

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 15, 0:52, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Basically Samba is Windows networking for non-Windows machines. At work, > it's how the NT boxes access the data which for obvious reasons is kept on > a real OS. Their are versions for most UNIX varients, the Amiga, OpenVMS, > and others. Since it's basically a Windows thing, and I don't have to deal > with it at work, I don't claim to know anything about it. I can do a basic > Samba install and with a lot of cursing get a Win95/98/NT box to connect to > it. > > If you want useful info on it, I'd recommend http://www.samba.org because > I'm sure the info I just gave is both useless and questionable :^) Oh, I think (since I have to look after Samba stuff under similar circumstances) it's quite accurate. You just have to remember that the cursing is, apparently, mandatory. > BTW, I've found the real trick of working with Samba (on the Admin side) is > remembering where the &)# @*^% smb.conf file on a particular machine is! That too :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Dont want to start a flame war here but

by edick＠idcomm.com

Well, back about 25 years ago or so, when I was into robotics and things like that, a colleague was telling his wife that "once we get the skin absorbtiveness squared away so we don't end up with lipstick on our drawers, we're going to phase you biological units out completely . . ." Dick -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 5:04 PM Subject: Re: Dont want to start a flame war here but >> >> > One more thing . . . about those wives . . . I've done >> > pretty well without 'em and prefer it that way, having >> > tried it both ways. >> > >> > The old computer hardware's cheaper, easier to live >> > with, and more forgiving. >> >> Yes, but not as much fun in bed. (Sorry, couldn't resist) > >Well, each to his own, I suppose :-) > >-tony (who has some very odd hardware in his bedroom)

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OT: patenting an old year/date concept, to make millions

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

Jerome Fine replies: >In addition, some of the code in RT-11 in the monitor and elsewhere >rejects a date value with a year value of zero - meaning that 1972 is >considered invalid by that code. This was fixed in RT-11 5.7, it now consistently handles 1972 through 2099, inclusive. >the DATE/TIME hardware clock on the third party board. Any idea >how the 11/93 does the 1999 transition with the now Y2K compliant >firmware update? Look in the NL.MAC source code - the SETUP.SAV window range was chosen identically: .sbttl . Convert clock date to RT-11 format. ; Convert the BCD date read from the clock to the standard RT-11 format: ; ; RT-11 extended date word (RT-11 V5.5ff) ; ; 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 | 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 ; +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ ; |yr xtn | month | day | year-1972 | ; +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ ; 2 bits 4 bits 5 bits 5 bits ; ; ; To support the year extension, clock years of 72..99 can be considered to ; be in the 1900s (since the RT-11 base year of 1972) and years of 00..71 can ; be considered to be in the 2000s. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Effective Speed of 10BaseT

by edick＠idcomm.com

SAMBA is that NETBEUI-compatible protocol used by Windows for Workgroups, isn't it? I've heard a lot of mention of it but no details except that its DOS client is HUGE by comparison with the already large but purportedly MUCH smaller NOVELL IPX+NETX. (about 96K). I'm interested in this because I use a set of DOS engineering tools, since they suit me better and work faster than the Windows version, and are less buggy. I'd LOVE to use DOS 6.2x as opposed to Windows since it tolerates my video drivers. I would have to load the same DOS driver/shell under WIN9x in DOS mode, so the same restrictions apply. Yes, multiple versions of what should be the same driver set is what I remember about the ethernet hookups with various versions of DEC hardware. We didn't get around to the MAC's for a while because nobody believed we could make that work. Finally one guy threw up his hands and hooked it up with hardware he carried in from home. That made for some red faces among the senior types! Dick -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, November 14, 1999 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Effective Speed of 10BaseT >>Perhaps you could reduce the number of protocols a bit. It doesn't always >>make a lot of difference, but you never know . . . > >I wish! Let's see, if I want the Mac to talk to VMS I've got to use >AppleTalk, since DAVE (basically Samba for the Mac) and the Samba version >of VMS don't mix. If I want to talk to RSX-11M I've got to use DECnet. >Samba for Windows, since that's cheaper than getting NFS for Windows (why >pay for something I wouldn't really use). Then most systems talk TCP/IP. > >In an ideal world every system would be running TCP/IP and using NFS to >access remote disks, but it's not an ideal world. Good luck finding NFS at >any price for the Mac (don't think you can get it for the Amiga anymore >either), and I've spent the entire evening trying to get the VMS box in >quesiton serving up NFS. > > Zane >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | >| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | >| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| and Zane's Computer Museum. | >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Need a RS232 interface transputer tram

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, I need a RS232 transputer tram for a project I am planning on doing. I really dont want to access the PCs serial port due to speed considerations, etc. So does anyone have such a beast for sale?? I dont know what inmos part number it is, but transtech had one called TTM21 and Sundance had one called STM220. Thanks Ram

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