- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 7:41 PM Subject: Re: PDP-11/70 for Scrap > > >--- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote: >> Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> wrote about PDP-11/70s: >> > I had to jump on a pair of them that... do not have a proper frontpanel >> >> The seven machines I purchased have real front panels... but... >> >> They aren't the original front panels the machines were born with. >> >> Later, the machines were upgraded to the QED-95 CPU, which replaces all >> of the CPU cards (and memory) with a four-card set... > >Wow. Quite a history. Mine were from Borden in downtown Columbus. The >guy that helped me get them, used to use them in the late 1970s. His company >(and my one-time employer) was the place I've mentioned several times that >made DEC<->IBM sync serial connectivity products. For anyone that ever would >have worked with them, they were known as COLA and COLE (COLumbus CPU "A" and >COLumbus CPU "E"), part of a once larger setup. They are identically >configured with the remote-diag console, 4Kw of MOS in one BA-11 in an >attached memory cabinet (H-960), SI9900, several Fuji Eagles and a couple of >TU-77-sized tape drives. *Those* were a bitch to move. Fortunately for me, >it was all in town - $100 in moving expenses. Maybe I'll be able to get one >back together and powered up by Spring. I'm still fiddling with my set of >PDP-8/Ls that all appear to have dirty backplanes. Do you have docs for the PDP-8Ls? I have a running desktop PDP-8L coming in next weekend and am not sure if I am getting the docs or not. john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com > >-ethan > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com >

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Available: DEC RK611 Controller

by wrking＠tsoft.com

I have (most of) a RK611 controller that I don't need. This controller consists of: RK611 backplane (similar to a DD11-DK) M7900 RK06/07 Unibus interface M7901 RK06/07 register module M7902 RK06/07 control module M7903 RK06/07 data module Boot ROM for M9012 Bootstrap/Terminator Module *Note* however that the following module is missing: M7904 RK06/07 drive interface module If you're interested, make an offer. I'll probably accept it. Bill

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PDP-11/70 for Scrap

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote: > Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> wrote about PDP-11/70s: > > I had to jump on a pair of them that... do not have a proper frontpanel > > The seven machines I purchased have real front panels... but... > > They aren't the original front panels the machines were born with. > > Later, the machines were upgraded to the QED-95 CPU, which replaces all > of the CPU cards (and memory) with a four-card set... Wow. Quite a history. Mine were from Borden in downtown Columbus. The guy that helped me get them, used to use them in the late 1970s. His company (and my one-time employer) was the place I've mentioned several times that made DEC<->IBM sync serial connectivity products. For anyone that ever would have worked with them, they were known as COLA and COLE (COLumbus CPU "A" and COLumbus CPU "E"), part of a once larger setup. They are identically configured with the remote-diag console, 4Kw of MOS in one BA-11 in an attached memory cabinet (H-960), SI9900, several Fuji Eagles and a couple of TU-77-sized tape drives. *Those* were a bitch to move. Fortunately for me, it was all in town - $100 in moving expenses. Maybe I'll be able to get one back together and powered up by Spring. I'm still fiddling with my set of PDP-8/Ls that all appear to have dirty backplanes. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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No subject

by mjbarton＠erols.com

I recieved a Lexitron Word Processor at ... a yard sale. No diskettes to get the thing to run. Can you help in any way so I can either trash it or use it?? Thanks in advance

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Hyperion [WAS: Re: Looking for ]

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

>David, > >I have tangible proof that at least part of your history is wrong. I >have >a Comterm Hyperion, model number 3032, serial number 3008, date >code Aug. >83, sitting in front of me right now. It is _the same >machine_ as the >Dynalogic Hyperion. Looks just like this, except >different drive doors: > >http://www.ncsc.dni.us/fun/user/tcc/cmuseum/HYPN.HTM >Proof? The name "Comterm" on my serial number plate is actually a >metallic >sticker; underneath it says "Dynalogic Info-Tech >Corporation, Ottawa, >Canada". So the timeline must go: > >Dynalogic >Comterm >Bytec (?? never heard of them ??) > >I have _never_ heard of Commodore producing this machine - Cameron > >Kaiser's extensive "Secret Weapon's of Commodore" site - > >http://calvin.ptloma.edu/~spectre/ckb/secret/ - doesn't mention it > >either. I think your source got Comterm and Commodore mixed up. > >Regards, > >Mark Gregory Well of course you wouldn't see the Commodore Hyperion listed in the SWoC! the SWoC page deals only with 8-bits (the C= 900 being the only exeption) & intentionally excludes any C= PC clones (Which the C= Hyperion *might* be). Anyway, I saw that computer listed the Canonical List of Commodore Products, so it must exist. Besides, all I know is that it *looks* like the Dynalogic Hyperion, I was only theorizing that it *could be* the same thing. As soon as I find a site/picture of it, then I can figure out if it truly is a Dynalogic Hyperion with a Commodore nameplate on it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Teleco Question... More on my devious plan....

by edick＠idcomm.com

It would be interesting to know, precisely, what it is you intend to do. There's nothing difficult about any of the telco stuff, but unless you have a clear and well defined, as well as well-specified, goal in mind, you'll never get there. Now, if you just want to blink some LED's I'm sure you can do that. If you want to interrupt your LINUX box each time the phone rings, you can do that in a number of ways. If you want to make a phone ring, that's easy too. I've looked through a lot of discussion about this subject, but still have no idea in the world what exactly, it is you'd like to accomplish. Have you? Dick -----Original Message----- From: LordTyran <a2k(a)one.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, December 04, 1999 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Teleco Question... More on my devious plan.... >I have a schematic for a fone line emulator somehwere.. you can press a >button to make it ring and a few other things.. a bit complex and the >parts are estimated at around $100. > >However, if you can force the linux box to answer and the micro to go into >term mode, you can use 2 9V batteries in series on one side of a phone >wire going between the modems. > >Kevin > >On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Arfon Gryffydd wrote: > >> First, Thanks to all who have helped so far... >> >> >> I have some old modems (TRS-80, acoustic and etc.) which I would like to >> use (flashing LEDs are cool) so, I want to build a little telco emulator to >> interface with the modems in one of my Linux boxes. >> >> I figure an LM556 for the dial tone... A tone decoder for dialing... Not >> sure an easy way to decode pulse dialing. >> >> As for ring... I am thinking using two charged capacitors and switching >> them. That's the first method I came up with to limit the current cheaply. >> >> Any suggestions? I'd like to do this for less that $25.00. >> ---------------------------------------- >> Tired of Micro$oft??? >> >> Move up to a REAL OS... >> ######__ __ ____ __ __ _ __ # >> #####/ / / / / __ | / / / / | |/ /## >> ####/ / / / / / / / / / / / | /### >> ###/ /__ / / / / / / / /_/ / / |#### >> ##/____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_____/ /_/|_|#### >> # ###### >> ("LINUX" for those of you >> without fixed-width fonts) >> ---------------------------------------- >> Be a Slacker! http://www.slackware.com >> >> Slackware Mailing List: >> http://www.digitalslackers.net/linux/list.html >> >

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Teleco Question... More on my devious plan....

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Ring-------------------- | C O = Transformer coupling coil at central office I L | | -48V | ------||||----R------ | | | | | C Filter | | |-------------R------ | | GND C O = transformercoupling coil at central office I L | Tip------------------- Here is a two wire subscriber loop -oversimplified? The R's in the line are typically 200 ohms Larry Truthan -----Original Message----- From: Arfon Gryffydd [mailto:arfonrg@texas.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 4:30 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Teleco Question... More on my devious plan.... Okay forgive my ignorance but.... Q1)Which way to power a telco line? (Note: subsitute "modem" for "telephone") A) Series? --------Battery---------- | | Telephone Telephone |_________________________| or B) Shunt? ------------------------- | | | Telephone Battery Telephone |____________|____________| Shunt seems more correct but, I think the power source's filtering would filter out the audio. Q2)Which lead is NORMALLY the positive (red or green)? ---------------------------------------- Tired of Micro$oft??? Move up to a REAL OS... ######__ __ ____ __ __ _ __ # #####/ / / / / __ | / / / / | |/ /## ####/ / / / / / / / / / / / | /### ###/ /__ / / / / / / / /_/ / / |#### ##/____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_____/ /_/|_|#### # ###### ("LINUX" for those of you without fixed-width fonts) ---------------------------------------- Be a Slacker! http://www.slackware.com Slackware Mailing List: http://www.digitalslackers.net/linux/list.html

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by edick＠idcomm.com

Gee, that's too bad . . . I don't spend money on "the industry" so I don't follow the high-tech stocks. Maybe it didn't work so well over the long run. By the time they started making disk drives, it was so costly and difficult to build anything but an exact copy of IBM's circuitry for attaching a hard disk to a PC, which was by then the only mass market remaining fairly healthy, they probably felt they had little choice but to use their own devices rather than eat them. This probably alienated their customer base, but, since it was going away anyway . . . Dick -----Original Message----- From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Free NCR tower in Miami FL. > > >On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Richard Erlacher wrote: > >> I don't know this for certain, but I was once persuaded that IBM had held >> the patent on 2,7 RLL and let it expire in '83. There were, of course, lots >> of other run-length-limited codes which would also have worked, but the 2,7 >> was so well documented and worked so well, that everyone jumped on the >> bandwagon once it became available. Of course, WD came out with a chipset >> that supported RLL almost right away, too. >> >> They lost a lot of customers when they started making disk drives, though >> they're a major player in that realm now. I guess it worked out OK for them >> (WD). > >I think that is problematic, Dick, when you look at the recent price of >their stock - now sub $4. > > - don > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeffrey l Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com> >> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers >> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 10:47 AM >> Subject: Re: Free NCR tower in Miami FL. >> >> >> > >> > >> >On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:37:24 -0700 "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> >> >writes: >> >> >MFM disk controller was made by NCR, but it looks like a 'cookbook' >> >> >design using the WD-100x chipset. >> >> > >> >> >> >> SMILE when you say that, pahdnuh! That cookbook design is what made >> >> the microwinchester drive so simple to include that anyone with two >> >grey >> >> cells and a little PLL knowledge could put together a winchester >> >> interface. That's why they became so cheap. It was the only way to do >> >your own >> >> controller at a competitive price for several years, until SMC brought >> >out >> >> their 9224 chip. Unfortunately, by that time the patent on RLL >> >recording >> >> had expired, so everybody wanted RLL. >> > >> >Well, I merely wanted to state that while NCR 'rolled their own', >> >it really wasn't anything special. The wd-100x chipset certainly >> >was revolutionary, however. That meant almost anyone with a wire-wrap >> >tool and enough parts could interface a winchester to just about >> >anything (like say, a Xerox machine?). That was a major breakthrough >> >in 1981, but by 1984 (when my machine was built), it was pretty standard. >> > >> >Who held the patent on RLL, and (consequently) lost their shirt >> >when it became standard on 'smart' disk drives? >> > >> > >> >Jeff >> > >> > >> > >> >___________________________________________________________________ >> >Why pay more to get Web access? >> >Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! >> >Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >> >> >

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by edick＠idcomm.com

I don't know this for certain, but I was once persuaded that IBM had held the patent on 2,7 RLL and let it expire in '83. There were, of course, lots of other run-length-limited codes which would also have worked, but the 2,7 was so well documented and worked so well, that everyone jumped on the bandwagon once it became available. Of course, WD came out with a chipset that supported RLL almost right away, too. They lost a lot of customers when they started making disk drives, though they're a major player in that realm now. I guess it worked out OK for them (WD). Dick -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey l Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Free NCR tower in Miami FL. > > >On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:37:24 -0700 "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> >writes: >> >MFM disk controller was made by NCR, but it looks like a 'cookbook' >> >design using the WD-100x chipset. >> > >> >> SMILE when you say that, pahdnuh! That cookbook design is what made >> the microwinchester drive so simple to include that anyone with two >grey >> cells and a little PLL knowledge could put together a winchester >> interface. That's why they became so cheap. It was the only way to do >your own >> controller at a competitive price for several years, until SMC brought >out >> their 9224 chip. Unfortunately, by that time the patent on RLL >recording >> had expired, so everybody wanted RLL. > >Well, I merely wanted to state that while NCR 'rolled their own', >it really wasn't anything special. The wd-100x chipset certainly >was revolutionary, however. That meant almost anyone with a wire-wrap >tool and enough parts could interface a winchester to just about >anything (like say, a Xerox machine?). That was a major breakthrough >in 1981, but by 1984 (when my machine was built), it was pretty standard. > >Who held the patent on RLL, and (consequently) lost their shirt >when it became standard on 'smart' disk drives? > > >Jeff > > > >___________________________________________________________________ >Why pay more to get Web access? >Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! >Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Data General MV/4000DC Documentation/Media

by Technoid＠cheta.net

I recently aquired a Data General MV/4000DC minicomputer with three 200 terminals and one 215 terminal, a 6311 tape unit and a Comswitch II access controller. I have rebuilt the tape drive and it works great now. I can boot from the onboard hard disk and navigate the system. I have gotten all 16 virtual consoles functioning. I have very little docs on this machine so pretty much have to 'hack' out anything I want to do which is slow progress. Does anyone have documentation on this machine or the AOS/VS operating system? Does anyone have SYSTEM Media for this machine? Does anyone have SOFTWARE for the machine? If I can help YOU with your classic computer questions, please let me know. I can help with: Atari 8 bits - know and have lots. Lots of software too. (450+ disks) I can help in: Networking Hard disks programming in Basic Various other languages All variants of AtariDos (MyDos, SmartDOs, etc) All Variants of Spartados including SDX Atari ST series computers - have two and am running MINT. Can help in TOS and a BSD unix clone I am running called MiNT which stands for Mint is Not Tos. CP/M 2.2 machines (z80 processor) such as ATR8000, ATR8500, Cromemco, Osborne, Kaypro, etc. I am a technician servicing Intel-based PC's so if you need support there I can help in: CP/M all versions of MS/PC dos etc, Concurrent DOS too OS/2 Windows x Windows NT SUSE and REDHAT Linux SCO Openserver V Windows NT terminal Server GEOS Sun Solaris (X86) OS/2 Warp and Warp Servers Novell Netware 2 thru 4 Lantastic Novell Netware lite 1.1 General networking questions for above operating systems and hardware. Please help with my MV4000DC. If you would like to see it you can TELNET into my PC which is running as a terminal on the MV4000 and you can play with the minicomputer that way! Just e-mail me and we will set up a time. Thanks in advance, Technoid Mutant -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey S. Worley Technical Services Bits & Bytes Computer Services Inc. 1979B Hendersonville Road Asheville, NC 28803 828-684-8953 - voice 0900-1700 five days 828-687-9284 - 24hr fax Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk? Technoid(a)Cheta.net -----------------------------------------------------------

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Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > You can safely let the air in (or vacuum out) of a CRT by breaking the > "tit" on the back end of the CRT where the air was evacuated. It may be > covered by the plug for the electrical connections. If it is then just > break the plug off. The glass is very thin there and I've seen may people > just use a karate chop motion with almost any metal object to break the end > of the tit off. That will let the air in and the rest of the tube stays > intact. I just did that accidentally to a Mac SE. :-( I was trying to remove a cable from the innards and my hand slipped and wacked the board on the back of the CRT and skewed it far enough to bust that little tit. Now I have *more* spare Mac parts. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:35:04 -0000 Julian Richardson <JRichardson(a)softwright.co.uk> writes: > Unisys also made the same machines at one point but with different > badges on the front apparently, plus NCR had 'internal' model > numbers (I guess that's what 1632 is!). Okay, so now I have to go into the basement, and re-read the serial plate. NCR's numbering scheme is *not* intuitive. > I've hooked one of these things up to a 10Mbps LAN before along with > a Linux box and run remote X programs and stuff, so they do talk > TCP/IP quite happily. I think that mostly applies to the '020 machines and higher. When I first got my machine, I was told that it didn't really support TCP/IP. >Not sure about the MMU - I think by the time things had > progressed to the 68030 the MMU was built in?? (I easily could be > wrong there; aside from the Amiga 500 I haven't had much dealing with > 68xxx chips). I'm pretty sure that's the case. The 68010 was kinda like the 80286-- some memory management was there, but it was considered kinda brain-dead. The 68020 was the real breakthrough. Operating systems for the 680x0 really took off after that. > The system boards on these things are huge though - something like > 1x4 feet if I remember correctly. That's about right. I have a complete set of spares in my closet. The system board is *huge*. > My system had sat idle for a while and > didn't boot the last time I tried it about a year ago; I'm hoping > that's something simple rather than a crack in one of the boards > somewhere. Now you've got me worried. I really ought to take time to fire up the thing. Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:37:24 -0700 "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> writes: > >MFM disk controller was made by NCR, but it looks like a 'cookbook' > >design using the WD-100x chipset. > > > > SMILE when you say that, pahdnuh! That cookbook design is what made > the microwinchester drive so simple to include that anyone with two grey > cells and a little PLL knowledge could put together a winchester > interface. That's why they became so cheap. It was the only way to do your own > controller at a competitive price for several years, until SMC brought out > their 9224 chip. Unfortunately, by that time the patent on RLL recording > had expired, so everybody wanted RLL. Well, I merely wanted to state that while NCR 'rolled their own', it really wasn't anything special. The wd-100x chipset certainly was revolutionary, however. That meant almost anyone with a wire-wrap tool and enough parts could interface a winchester to just about anything (like say, a Xerox machine?). That was a major breakthrough in 1981, but by 1984 (when my machine was built), it was pretty standard. Who held the patent on RLL, and (consequently) lost their shirt when it became standard on 'smart' disk drives? Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Looking for...

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

> >I am looking for the following items. (Get ready, this is going to be a > >pretty varied list!) > > > >----Pictures of Computers---- > >Commodore Hyperion (looks like a Dynalogic Hyperion, & could be the same > >thing?) > > >Do you mean a ComTerm Hyperion? AFAIK, Comterm was the Canadian >company >that manufactured the Hyperion for a while, not Commodore. >Commodore >didn't get into the PC clone business until the PC-10 >(unless you >count the A1000 Sidecar). > >Regards, >Mark No, I don't mean the ComTerm Hyperion. When I said Commodore Hyperion, I'm not bullsh!tting, I actually mean Commodore Hyperion. All I know is that it looks like the Dynalogic Hyperion. By the way, ComTerm didn't make the Hyperion, a company called Dynalogic did. It sold relatively well (well, considering the state of the IBM clone market in early 1983). Not too long after they released the Hyperion, they were bought out by a company called Bytec, & they sold the Hyperion under the Bytec name. Later still, Compaq released the famous Compaq Portable, & we all know what happened from there (wither Bytec/Dynalogic). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> One of the machines is still in service so, I'll look at the console >> conections on that system. The owner also stated that he has a "cable" that >> supports up to 4 terminals. That should make it simple. woah - our email system's actually running at something faster than a crawl!! :) My memory's hazy on this but I seem to recall the following: There's two connectors on the back of the machine labelled 'A' and 'B' - one a 9-pin connector and one a 15-pin. 'A' is for the console terminal and 'B' is for a remote diagnostic modem (ie. a remote terminal). Regular serial lines are of two forms: a bunch of 15-pin connectors at the back, or a smaller number of larger connectors (I seem to remember my 700 having the latter but the serial card I have that I pulled from that old 400 has the former). I think what the current owner of 'your' machine has is a breakout box which converts one big connector to several smaller, individual serial lines. I *think* via software you could say where the console was - on the dedicated console port (which plugged into the system backplane if I remember right), or on one of the serial board's tty lines. I'm not sure if there were restrictions in doing this; I suppose there's nothing special about port 'A' - it's just that a machine might not have any serial boards installed. Corrections to that are welcome from other list members, as it's been several years since I seriously played with one of these systems! bye! Jules >

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> > the console connection was a bit strange I seem to remember and needed > a custom cable - I do have pinouts someplace if needed... > the BNC connector at the base of the machine (I think all Towers had > these?) is for some sort of remote power control (certainly my '700 will > keep memory contents refreshed in a power cut for several hours) - don't > plug an ethernet network in here as you'll likely fry something quite > nicely!! > One of the machines is still in service so, I'll look at the console conections on that system. The owner also stated that he has a "cable" that supports up to 4 terminals. That should make it simple. See Ya, Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Wednesday, December 08, 1999 10:31 AM, Jeffrey l Kaneko [SMTP:jeff.kaneko@juno.com] wrote: > > > > Since these aren't just PC clones, I'm gonna go ahead a grab em. > > Don't really need more *junk* laying around, but what the heck. They > > aren't too far away and I do have a pickup truck. > > If they're anything like the one I have, a small forklift would be > *very* helpful. These suckers weigh a *ton*. I think I have a > Model 1632 (it's been awhile since I've looked). 4mb, 68010 > @ 10MHz, MFM drives. Runs SVR3. Won't even support *BSD. Bummer. > Got a message back from the owner stating that the 400 can be managed by one man. I might pick that one up this weekend. Apparently, the 450 is considerably bigger and heavier. Since it won't be available for a couple of months, I'll have time to do some planning. See Ya, Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by edick＠idcomm.com

-----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey l Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Free NCR tower in Miami FL. >MFM disk controller was made by NCR, but it looks like a 'cookbook' >design using the WD-100x chipset. > SMILE when you say that, pahdnuh! That cookbook design is what made the microwinchester drive so simple to include that anyone with two grey cells and a little PLL knowledge could put together a winchester interface. That's why they became so cheap. It was the only way to do your own controller at a competitive price for several years, until SMC brought out their 9224 chip. Unfortunately, by that time the patent on RLL recording had expired, so everybody wanted RLL. Dick

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> If they're anything like the one I have, a small forklift would be >> *very* helpful. These suckers weigh a *ton*. yep, that sounds familiar :) >> I think I have a >> Model 1632 (it's been awhile since I've looked). 4mb, 68010 >> @ 10MHz, MFM drives. Runs SVR3. Won't even support *BSD. Bummer. Unisys also made the same machines at one point but with different badges on the front apparently, plus NCR had 'internal' model numbers (I guess that's what 1632 is!). > >> These use Multibus cards, I think NCR used an Emulex ethernet >> controller, supporting NCR's own arcane networking protocol. The >> install tape I have for it implies that this beast supported an MMU, >> though (although mine is not so equipped). ANyone know how they did >> this? I've hooked one of these things up to a 10Mbps LAN before along with a Linux box and run remote X programs and stuff, so they do talk TCP/IP quite happily. Not sure about the MMU - I think by the time things had progressed to the 68030 the MMU was built in?? (I easily could be wrong there; aside from the Amiga 500 I haven't had much dealing with 68xxx chips). The system boards on these things are huge though - something like 1x4 feet if I remember correctly. My system had sat idle for a while and didn't boot the last time I tried it about a year ago; I'm hoping that's something simple rather than a crack in one of the boards somewhere. >> According to my manuals, the TOWER supported SCSI and ESDI drives. >> I speculate that they used off-the-shelf multibus boards for these; >> the tape controller is a stock unit made by CIPRICO (IIRC). The >> MFM disk controller was made by NCR, but it looks like a 'cookbook' >> design using the WD-100x chipset. not sure about the SCSI controller - I remember it having a fair amount of cache memory on it and quite a few processor chips of assorted kinds. I actually have the MFM controller with me at home (along with a serial IO board) but the rest of the Tower stuff is back at my folks place. to the original poster: the console connection was a bit strange I seem to remember and needed a custom cable - I do have pinouts someplace if needed... the BNC connector at the base of the machine (I think all Towers had these?) is for some sort of remote power control (certainly my '700 will keep memory contents refreshed in a power cut for several hours) - don't plug an ethernet network in here as you'll likely fry something quite nicely!! cheers Jules >

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:31:48 -0500 Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> writes: > > Thanks for the info Jules :-) > > Since these aren't just PC clones, I'm gonna go ahead a grab em. > Don't really need more *junk* laying around, but what the heck. They > aren't too far away and I do have a pickup truck. If they're anything like the one I have, a small forklift would be *very* helpful. These suckers weigh a *ton*. I think I have a Model 1632 (it's been awhile since I've looked). 4mb, 68010 @ 10MHz, MFM drives. Runs SVR3. Won't even support *BSD. Bummer. These use Multibus cards, I think NCR used an Emulex ethernet controller, supporting NCR's own arcane networking protocol. The install tape I have for it implies that this beast supported an MMU, though (although mine is not so equipped). ANyone know how they did this? According to my manuals, the TOWER supported SCSI and ESDI drives. I speculate that they used off-the-shelf multibus boards for these; the tape controller is a stock unit made by CIPRICO (IIRC). The MFM disk controller was made by NCR, but it looks like a 'cookbook' design using the WD-100x chipset. Years ago, I passed on an upgrade kit to make it into a 68020. Another one of those overpriced 'Wierdstuff' deals (sigh). Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> > I'd say they're worth having if you have space and can transport them > (pretty heavy beasts). You may be lucky enough to get an ethernet > controller or two as well - I gather that these aren't too common - then > they'll hook up to just about anything. > > Oh, if you get a chance can you see if there's any OS tapes lying > around?? I haven't got installation media for my 700 so when one of the > disks goes I'm in trouble... I'm not sure how NCR shipped OS tapes and > whether one tape would cover a series of Tower systems or not... > > cheers > > Jules > Thanks for the info Jules :-) Since these aren't just PC clones, I'm gonna go ahead a grab em. Don't really need more *junk* laying around, but what the heck. They aren't too far away and I do have a pickup truck. I'll ask about the OS installation tapes if they're available, I'll let you know. See ya, Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> available soon. He says one is a "NCR 400" and the other is a "NCR 450". >> Both have non-functional tape drives (don't know the problem) and are >> running SCO Unix. >> Does anyone know anything about these machines? Hmm, I don't think any of the Tower series are PC-based clones; they're all fully-functional Unix boxes. I didn't know they'd run SCO though, my Tower runs NCR's SVR3. I scrapped what I seem to remember was a Tower 400 about 6 years ago; it had a tape drive in it (custom controller I think), MFM disks (about 200MB worth), think it was a 68010 CPU. I've got a Tower 700 which was a later model - 32MB main memory (actually 39MB ECC), 68030, 8 serial lines, 780MB SCSI (2 disks), 10Mbps ethernet, 150MB tape (also SCSI). There may have been a SCSI option for the 400 series. I have a few docs somewhere which I might be able to hunt down if you need more info. Certainly the 700 I have is quite a nice machine - there's enough 68xxx series processors in it for all the subsystems that it runs pretty nicely. I was lucky enough to have X Windows installed too. I can't speak for the 400 that I broke up as one of the disks in it was toasted so I never saw it running. I'd say they're worth having if you have space and can transport them (pretty heavy beasts). You may be lucky enough to get an ethernet controller or two as well - I gather that these aren't too common - then they'll hook up to just about anything. Oh, if you get a chance can you see if there's any OS tapes lying around?? I haven't got installation media for my 700 so when one of the disks goes I'm in trouble... I'm not sure how NCR shipped OS tapes and whether one tape would cover a series of Tower systems or not... cheers Jules >

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Stiction (was Re: Busting CRTs)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: I wrote: > > I still have a Quantum PD1800S that has stiction. > Ethan, my curious: that HD, did it run hot or bit too much warm? > That is the primary problem. PD1800S is old design and runs hot. > Did that HD sit all cooped up behind bezel or internally? It was the only drive in a SPARC 1 (then moved to a SPARC 2, now it's on top of a Sparc LX in its own case) It works fine, it just glues the heads down to the platters on power-down. I don't power it off on purpose, but we lost power for six hours last month, and *grab*. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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CliniComp Computer and IP address

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

Subject: Re: CliniComp Computer and IP address >Hmm... I've never seen any of the systems like you describe, but I would >guess that the RJ45 jack is probably just standard 10Base-T Ethernet >(or if the machine is really strange, Token Ring, but I would doubt that). >If you've got a small network onhand with a machine capable of serving >BOOTP, you might want to try turning on the BOOTP server to see if >you can pick up the request from the machine (BOOTP is a rather standard >way of doing such things).. you could pick up the MAC address of the >system's Ethernet device by running a sniffer like TCPdump when it >is broadcasting looking for an IP. > >_NO_ idea what this little bugger might have ran, though.. perhaps some >variety of stylus-enabled DOS/Win 3.1 or something along those lines, >i'd imagine. > >-Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) As far as the Network Interface is concerned I have seen Network cards that also had auto boot eproms on them so the intended computer did not need a Floppy or a Hard Drive to attach to the server. I think this may be the same setup.. The whole computer sort of looks like a Picture Frame its only 2 inches deep and measures 15 by 15 inches.. The whole computer is inside this little frame. Very rugged and expensive looking, as most medical equipment usually is.. The fact it has a 286 processor I am hopeful it used DOS as an OS, but there is no way at this point to tell. If it does not than it is worthless to me.... This computer has an excellent Display and I think displayed some sort of medical graphics on it. One of the finest Displays I have ever seen for its age. It has an eprom that I would think has the whole Boot strap programmed on it including the serial number on it, that also shows up on the display as it boots, but who knows what OS this little bugger used. It also has 3 other eprom sockets unoccupied.. I see that CliniComp, has a website at www.Clinicomp.com , but I do not see this machine on it, no doubt discontinued.. Would be nice if I could find a Tech Person at the site willing to get me some info on it, but that may be a long shot.. Anyway thanks for the ideas, I will try them.. Phil..

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Hyperion [WAS: Re: Looking for ]

by gregorym＠cadvision.com

David, I have tangible proof that at least part of your history is wrong. I have a Comterm Hyperion, model number 3032, serial number 3008, date code Aug. 83, sitting in front of me right now. It is _the same machine_ as the Dynalogic Hyperion. Looks just like this, except different drive doors: http://www.ncsc.dni.us/fun/user/tcc/cmuseum/HYPN.HTM Proof? The name "Comterm" on my serial number plate is actually a metallic sticker; underneath it says "Dynalogic Info-Tech Corporation, Ottawa, Canada". So the timeline must go: Dynalogic Comterm Bytec (?? never heard of them ??) I have _never_ heard of Commodore producing this machine - Cameron Kaiser's extensive "Secret Weapon's of Commodore" site - http://calvin.ptloma.edu/~spectre/ckb/secret/ - doesn't mention it either. I think your source got Comterm and Commodore mixed up. Regards, Mark Gregory -----Original Message----- From: David Vohs <netsurfer_x1(a)hotmail.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Looking for... >> >I am looking for the following items. (Get ready, this is going to be a >> >pretty varied list!) >> > >> >----Pictures of Computers---- >> >Commodore Hyperion (looks like a Dynalogic Hyperion, & could be the same >> >thing?) >> >> >>Do you mean a ComTerm Hyperion? AFAIK, Comterm was the Canadian company >>that manufactured the Hyperion for a while, not Commodore. Commodore >>didn't get into the PC clone business until the PC-10 (unless you >>count the A1000 Sidecar). >> >>Regards, >>Mark > >No, I don't mean the ComTerm Hyperion. When I said Commodore Hyperion, I'm >not bullsh!tting, I actually mean Commodore Hyperion. All I know is that it >looks like the Dynalogic Hyperion. > >By the way, ComTerm didn't make the Hyperion, a company called Dynalogic >did. It sold relatively well (well, considering the state of the IBM clone >market in early 1983). Not too long after they released the Hyperion, they >were bought out by a company called Bytec, & they sold the Hyperion under >the Bytec name. Later still, Compaq released the famous Compaq Portable, & >we all know what happened from there (wither Bytec/Dynalogic). > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >

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CliniComp Computer and IP address

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

Hmm... I've never seen any of the systems like you describe, but I would guess that the RJ45 jack is probably just standard 10Base-T Ethernet (or if the machine is really strange, Token Ring, but I would doubt that). If you've got a small network onhand with a machine capable of serving BOOTP, you might want to try turning on the BOOTP server to see if you can pick up the request from the machine (BOOTP is a rather standard way of doing such things).. you could pick up the MAC address of the system's Ethernet device by running a sniffer like TCPdump when it is broadcasting looking for an IP. _NO_ idea what this little bugger might have ran, though.. perhaps some variety of stylus-enabled DOS/Win 3.1 or something along those lines, i'd imagine. -Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net)

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Intel Intellec 8 computer?????

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi, Can anyone tell me more about what this is? Joe

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CliniComp Computer and IP address

by aek＠spies.com

">After bootup is says "Requesting an IP Address", it repeats this >over several times and then reboots to restart all over again. " -- "Problem is I have no way of knowing what IP address it is looking for.. " It's trying to OBTAIN an IP address from the net. If you have something capable of sniffing the net, see if it is trying to contact a DHCP server.

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CliniComp Computer and IP address

by philclayton＠mindspring.com

Subject: CliniComp Computer and IP address >By all I can tell its a workstation with a network boot rom that >allows it to look for a network server. >After bootup is says "Requesting an IP Address", it repeats this >over several times and then reboots to restart all over again. > >Anyone have any suggestions how I can get around this, and if >there is no way to get around this, If I set up another computer >as a server would it find it and connect to it as a workstation ? > >This thing is really neat, and I have a great use for it in my >home automation project, so I hope I can use it. >The display is large and very good quality for a flat panel. >Thanks in advance to anyone with some suggestions.. After closer inspection of this computer I am convinced it is intended as a workstation only. But is a very nice computer, with the best resolution I have ever seen on an LCD screen. Problem is I have no way of knowing what IP address it is looking for.. Again after its normal bootup it says "Requesting an IP Address" It has a standard RJ45 connector on it for network interfacing. Can anyone here with some network experiance help me out on this. Can I get this thing to work or is it not possible ? I would like to set up one of my other computers as a possible server and see if it will attach to it.. Thanks in advance to anyone with some suggestions.. Phil...

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Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: jpero(a)cgocable.net <jpero(a)cgocable.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback) > >--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > >> >I just did that accidentally to a Mac SE. :-( I was trying to remove a > >> >cable from the innards and my hand slipped and wacked the board on the > >> >back of the CRT and skewed it far enough to bust that little tit. > >That was me. I heard this unmistakable noise and just sat there, a victim > >of my own carelessness. Me too! Except that is generic mono monitor. The chassis was too flexiable and it tipped down, slewing that CRT board. Snap+hiss! Replaced it at my expenese out of my only working monitor. :-O > > > >> The SEs also had those bad hard drives... the Principal > >> Secretary actually had a large screw driver next to his SE... Every time > the > >> drive wouldn't spin up he would beat the crap out of it. Apple came down > and > >> they agreed to replace all the flaky hard drives free immediately. > > > >I still have a Quantum PD1800S that has stiction. I paid $1100 for it new > >and they didn't consider it to be a warrantable problem. I'll never buy > from > >them again. > > The primary cause is bad cooling for those hot running HDs, I'm not putting the Quantum in with that offenders for that problems, it wasn't the bearing, it was grabby platters. True cause are too many spin ups and shutdowns, letting it run too hot caused the grabby platters. Grabby platters happens because the lube ran out from center by flinging action when real hot. Heads happens to park at inner cylinders and you'll know what happens... > This brings back really funny memories. Every so often I'd get called out to ...Snip!... > come up to their Mac and punch it really hard. [you *had* to see their > faces.]. Then. hear the drive spin up and walk away. That punching that thing is what jarred free those grabby platters. That is only treating the symtoms. The true fix is new HD and new 3.9uF 250V NP cap & yoke male connector, resolder the trouble spots. Use screensaver always. Customers pays the backup job and teach them to do it regliously. --------------- Yes and that is what Quantum did. We always used screen savers (home brewed for security), and getting users to backup or even server based backups are headaches... Most people don't like to do it.. most forget to leave their computer off.. we sent them warnings and they did not care until they lost everything. > Those quantum drives were awful. As back up policies were rarely adhered to > it was my job to pull the drives apart and get the data out at any cost.... It wasn't the quantum's problems. I see Conners and few others that were being cooking inside those hot boxens without good cooling go bad. The best solution is cooler running HDs for those boxens that do have poor cooling design. --------------------- No other drive (and we had every mac and every possible drive including): Conners Quantum IBM i think Seagate had this problem BUT quantum. In fact, we never had a sticky platter in 10 years across a few thousand computers except for quantum. > (were talking replacing the motor). A rep and engineer from quantum came by > to see what I was doing.... They weren't going to replace the new drive that > I had cannibalized until they were told we had enough of their broken > garbage.. Wow. HOW on earth that is possible!? the motor spindle casing is pressed into spindle axle. That casing has to go in order to get at coil assembly. Yes I played with those dead quantum 40S, 80S and any 105S HH 3.5" ones that used both optical + sectors feedback tracking. These dead ones died bec of grabby platters getting too great to overcome and platters starts to lose data bits and the bearings were still good and like new. Those ones that overheated platters looks defect-free, no 4-pits and no crash trackings but difference is it lost the surface lube/finish. ----------------------------------------------------------- If I could not spin the platter by hand I would remove the platters and put them in a new drive. We have a clean room for that purpose. It got impossible on the larger, newer drives. There is a data recovery shop in North Bay that does this kind of work too. After getting the drive spun up I would use a SCSI util to make an image copy of what it could to a new drive. Sometimes when the data was really badly beaten or the dir was toasted I wrote some apps that would seek out known headers and copy huge blocks and try and put the data back together. Our communications server went down once and we lost all of our PageMaker files. The drive had destroyed most of the directory entries.... so I was pulling off huge chunks of pagemaker files and putting them back together. Other projects of interest I had to do back in the early '90s were : Screen Saver & Shredder (write 3 times over data put in trash) - If I remember correctly I patched the "DrawMenuBar".. this handled the screen saver [security]. The shredder of course wiped out all file data 3X when trash was emptied. Patch System File - RESOURCE was ZSYS or SYSZ?? (It's been a while..1992)... all assembly language.. This program had to be able to attach itself to other computers on other nets and report back by talking to a major public domain server. It checked the server for "remote commands" inside a hypercard file and executed them. It was 2.4K (68000). It also had to get around Sam Intercept... that was pretty easy. This will probably be in a book in 2004 when I can talk about it in detail. many other projects but too recent to list yet. --- Even fabled Barracudas die from heat. I recently aquired one that is still good (ST12550N) and experimented on it. Heated up like mad without airflow. Still will heat up even case w/ hd inside with some airflow. Noted that and knew this by reputation and I put a muffin fan at front end blowing on the "steel cage" and allowing free air rush across the top circuit. Cool temp as it should be with this simple fan solution. > > I still have a Quantum PD1800S that has stiction. I paid $1100 for > it new and they didn't consider it to be a warrantable problem. > I'll never buy from them again. > > > -ethan Ethan, my curious: that HD, did it run hot or bit too much warm? That is the primary problem. PD1800S is old design and runs hot. Did that HD sit all cooped up behind bezel or internally? My HDs now are mounted in new ways with bigger open or 3.5" bezel left off and they run at room temp or less. INCLUDING that "new" WD 9.1GB expert 7200rpm. The old LPS 540 is still living daily serving as data archival along with bit more warmer fireball EX. CR, CX and any fireballs run bit more warm or hot when cooling is poor. ---------------------- I have lost 4 Micropolis 4345WS drives over the past couple of years due to heat. I gave up on standard mouting and just stuffed an old mini fan right above it. john http://www.pdp8.com/ Wizard > john

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Nostalgic note [Was: Re: Amiga 500, 2000 serial ports: The same?]

by owad＠applefritter.com

>They bought the rights to the Amiga hardware and software from a defunct >predecessor, made grandiose announcements (about new products, porting the >OS, and reviving the line), got everybody's hopes up, and then dropped the >whole thing because it was too little too late and/or uneconomic to serve >the declining base of Amiga users. Same thing that Amiga International, >Escom, and several others have done since Commodore went bankrupt. Gateway >just hurts more because they were: A) the most recent B) rich enough to be >a credible hope C) possibly the last, best hope. I can't imagine another >major company bidding on the rights to the Amiga after so many others have >failed. >A sad end to a nice OS that still multi-tasks better than most. Actually, there's still a bit of hope yet. Eternal Computing is interested in getting AmigaOS running on the PowerPC Open Platform, as can be seen at <http://www.eternalcomputing.com/psys/platforms/platforms.html>. And Schmidt of Amiga writes: "I remain committed to seek out partners who are interested in developing a next-generation Amiga computer and operating system." So there's still a chance. Tom Owad ------------------------------Applefritter------------------------------ Apple Prototypes, Clones, & Hacks - The obscure, unusual, & exceptional. ---------------------<http://www.applefritter.com/>---------------------

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Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/7/1999 2:39:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, mikeford(a)socal.rr.com writes: > What about PS/2 systems? > My salvage guy is sitting at $3 each as-is on the pallet (maybe 100+ units) > from 386 to 486 of mixed content (many I hope to find reasonably complete). > I have about zero interest in the 386 and below (except for a few with > kingston 486 upgrade chips), but would like to harvest the ram etc. out of > the others leaving him motherboards and chassis. My guess is that he is > giving me baloney and that his "buyer" at $3 each doesn't in fact want the > PS/2 pallets at all, just the compaq and HP vectra. Opinion? Actuall most of the Compaq and HP Vecra is scrap. There is more demand for PS/2 on the secondary market. "No one ever got fired for buying IBM." $3 each is a good price. Most of the value is in the ram and CPU chip. After you pull that there is little value left. Current motherboards use little gold. The plastic, frame and power supply are liabilities. It costs more to pay someone to take it apart than you get for the materials. Yes, there are buyers out there for these systems by the pallet load. I have someone that wants more than a 1000 PS2s The price they are offering are similar. I have someone that will buy 10,000 Pentium 90s or better. This is for the CPU box only. > > Have any of you contacted some of the scrap or recycling organizations > (trade groups etc.)? There has to be some "computer scrapper weekly" too. There is no computer scrapper weekly that I know of. The margins are too small to support a publication. There are several magazines that cater to scrap metals and recycling. However computer stuff is a very small part of the waste stream. There is an online group called "Tradeloop" of the dealers I am talking about. The subscription to the group is $50 per month. These are large computer dealers trading among themselves. >

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CliniComp Computer and IP address

by philclayton＠mindspring.com

Today I aquired a very unusual computer called "CliniComp" I am guessing it was used in a Hospital critical care unit. It is a flat panel display with the whole computer (a 286) built in its small case, I have never seen anything like it before. Its memory (72pin) and I/O ports, Serial, Printer, Network Interface are all built in, It does not have a hard drive or floppy drive built in. By all I can tell its a workstation with a network boot rom that allows it to look for a network server. When I power it up it does a normal PC boot like memory check, and CMOS check, then displays : "Requesting an IP Address", it repeats this over several times and then reboots to restart all over again. Anyone have any suggestions how I can get around this, and if there is no way to get around this, If I set up another computer as a server would it find it and connect to it as a workstation ? This thing is really neat, and I have a great use for it in my home automation project, so I hope I can use it. The display is large and very good quality for a flat panel. Thanks in advance to anyone with some suggestions.. Phil

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Intel Intellec 8 computer?????

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/7/1999 11:18:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, flo(a)rdel.co.uk writes: > I was recently told about radio rallies. > How do you find out where they are held? Go to a ham radio store. Ask. They should have flyers around. Paxton

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Looking for...

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

-----Original Message----- From: David Vohs <netsurfer_x1(a)hotmail.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, December 06, 1999 4:53 PM Subject: Looking for... >I am looking for the following items. (Get ready, this is going to be a >pretty varied list!) > >----Pictures of Computers---- >Commodore Hyperion (looks like a Dynalogic Hyperion, & could be the same >thing?) Do you mean a ComTerm Hyperion? AFAIK, Comterm was the Canadian company that manufactured the Hyperion for a while, not Commodore. Commodore didn't get into the PC clone business until the PC-10 (unless you count the A1000 Sidecar). Regards, Mark

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Nostalgic note [Was: Re: Amiga 500, 2000 serial ports: The same?]

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

-----Original Message----- From: Owen Robertson <mrdos(a)swbell.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Nostalgic note [Was: Re: Amiga 500, 2000 serial ports: The same?] >>BUT, how many of those users left *AFTER* the Gateway/Amiga, Inc. made the >>*BIG* announcement :^( From where I'm sitting thier announcement of a >>NextGen Amiga did more to kill the platform than anything. >> >>Of course I'm *REAL* tempted to go into that brand new Gateway store a >>couple miles from me and tell them I want to buy an Amiga 1200. > > >What exactly did Gateway do to Amiga? > > They bought the rights to the Amiga hardware and software from a defunct predecessor, made grandiose announcements (about new products, porting the OS, and reviving the line), got everybody's hopes up, and then dropped the whole thing because it was too little too late and/or uneconomic to serve the declining base of Amiga users. Same thing that Amiga International, Escom, and several others have done since Commodore went bankrupt. Gateway just hurts more because they were: A) the most recent B) rich enough to be a credible hope C) possibly the last, best hope. I can't imagine another major company bidding on the rights to the Amiga after so many others have failed. A sad end to a nice OS that still multi-tasks better than most. Mark (A1000, A500, A3000, A1200) Gregory

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Amiga 1000 Keyboard

by mrdos＠swbell.net

Does anyone know where I could get a keyboard for an Amiga 1000? Thanks, Owen

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Nostalgic note [Was: Re: Amiga 500, 2000 serial ports: The same?]

by mrdos＠swbell.net

>BUT, how many of those users left *AFTER* the Gateway/Amiga, Inc. made the >*BIG* announcement :^( From where I'm sitting thier announcement of a >NextGen Amiga did more to kill the platform than anything. > >Of course I'm *REAL* tempted to go into that brand new Gateway store a >couple miles from me and tell them I want to buy an Amiga 1200. What exactly did Gateway do to Amiga?

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Adopt a scrapper and paper tape punches.

by mrdos＠swbell.net

>I like the idea... my only question is, Where does one find such a >scrapper? Is it as simple as checking the Yellow Pages under Scrapper >or metal recovery? How do you know they deal with computers without >calling? I'd hate to get off to a bad start with one... That's what I did. I called around and eventually someone told me where all the computers go around here (Fort Worth). I called the man and he was very nice. Told me to come on by. Just be very polite, and ask him when the best time to stop by would be. Look in the Yellow Pages under Metal Recycling and Junk Dealers. Sometimes local surplus places will have things too.

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Intel Intellec 8 computer?????

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Prompt48, small box with keypad two sockets and display. It could progra <> 8748, and do a passable in circuit emulation using the romless part. < <Yep, that was the name. They had Prompt series for most <of the single chip controllers and I think they had them <for the 8085 but I don't recall if the 8086 had one. Nope 8080, 8085, 8086 they had the SDK-8x. The SDKs were minimal systems with rom, keypad and display and a breadboard area. The difference between them and the PROMPT-48 was the PROMPT was in the Intel Blue case where the SDKs were bare board kits. Of all my SBCs I have no SDKs even though I've built several of each! I was that the other house from '79 through 83 (NEC) as product enigneer for micros. < By the way, I have a Prompt2920. I'm still looking <for any i2920 parts if anyone out there has one <( not to be confused with 2900 bit slice parts ). Ah, the signal processor chips. Likely the only one you'll find is the 2910 (I think was the number) uLAW codec. Allison

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Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > >I just did that accidentally to a Mac SE. :-( I was trying to remove a > >cable from the innards and my hand slipped and wacked the board on the > >back of the CRT and skewed it far enough to bust that little tit. > > Do you know how many of those week lost at Queens Park?? One guy in my > department nailed CRTs 2 in one week... You never forget that "hissing" > sound that comes out of the unit... then the expression on the person > working on it. That was me. I heard this unmistakable noise and just sat there, a victim of my own carelessness. > The SEs also had those bad hard drives... the Principal > Secretary actually had a large screw driver next to his SE... Every time the > drive wouldn't spin up he would beat the crap out of it. Apple came down and > they agreed to replace all the flaky hard drives free immediately. I still have a Quantum PD1800S that has stiction. I paid $1100 for it new and they didn't consider it to be a warrantable problem. I'll never buy from them again. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Monday, December 06, 1999 2:41 PM, Bill Yakowenko [SMTP:yakowenk@cs.unc.edu] wrote: > I've got a line on an NCR tower in Miami FL. If you are > interested in picking up or paying shipping, let me know. > Please e-mail to me directly, as I've temporarily unsubscribed > (can't handle the volume). > > Cheers, > Bill. I have conversed via email with the owner and he tells me there may be two available soon. He says one is a "NCR 400" and the other is a "NCR 450". Both have non-functional tape drives (don't know the problem) and are running SCO Unix. One of the systems has an accounting package on it but, apparently that's the only software. Does anyone know anything about these machines? If they are common PC's types, I won't bother but, if there is something unique about them, I might grab em'. Thanks for any info, Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback) > > >--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> >I just did that accidentally to a Mac SE. :-( I was trying to remove a >> >cable from the innards and my hand slipped and wacked the board on the >> >back of the CRT and skewed it far enough to bust that little tit. >> >> Do you know how many of those week lost at Queens Park?? One guy in my >> department nailed CRTs 2 in one week... You never forget that "hissing" >> sound that comes out of the unit... then the expression on the person >> working on it. > >That was me. I heard this unmistakable noise and just sat there, a victim >of my own carelessness. > >> The SEs also had those bad hard drives... the Principal >> Secretary actually had a large screw driver next to his SE... Every time the >> drive wouldn't spin up he would beat the crap out of it. Apple came down and >> they agreed to replace all the flaky hard drives free immediately. > >I still have a Quantum PD1800S that has stiction. I paid $1100 for it new >and they didn't consider it to be a warrantable problem. I'll never buy from >them again. > Hmmm... Not a warranty problem?? They certainly changed their minds when I called them. It would not look good publicly for Quantum showing the Premier of Ontario beating the hell out of one to start it up. This brings back really funny memories. Every so often I'd get called out to in the hallway (did not do tech support but people still asked for help)... for help because someone had an unhappy SE. It would shock them to watch me come up to their Mac and punch it really hard. [you *had* to see their faces.]. Then. hear the drive spin up and walk away. Those quantum drives were awful. As back up policies were rarely adhered to it was my job to pull the drives apart and get the data out at any cost.... One day one the ministries lost some serious data to a dead quantum.. I took a new one off the shelf and used some of its parts to make the old one work (were talking replacing the motor). A rep and engineer from quantum came by to see what I was doing.... They weren't going to replace the new drive that I had cannibalized until they were told we had enough of their broken garbage.. john > >-ethan > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com >

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Intel i2920 IC was Re: Intel Intellec 8 computer?????

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

I also recently came across one of these Intel SDK-2920 single-boards, but it's missing the 2920. If any 2920-equipped list member is interested in giving this board a better home, maybe we can arrange a swap. Arlen Michaels > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard W. Schauer [SMTP:rws@enteract.com] > Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 11:15 PM > > On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Dwight Elvey wrote: > > > Hi Dave > > If you are going for a complete Intel chip collection, > > this is a rare bird indeed. This was an early attempt > > by Intel to get into the telco market. It is a > > DSP chip that had an EPROM inside. It was somewhat > > I got a strange board from a previous employer (who made teleconferencing > equipment) labeled Intel SDK-2920. I fooled around with it a little bit, > not really knowing what it was. It has an 8085 for the CPU on the > "programmer" side, 1 kB of SRAM (2 2114's), a 24-character > 14-segment-per-character LED display, and of course the EPROM programmer. > On the "execute" side there are 4 analog signal channels, only one > populated, (each containing 2 2912 IC's and some passives) and then one > socket for the 2920 that runs the whole mess. And yes, I have a 2920 for > it which I think is good, because it reports "EPROM BLANK" when I try to > dump the program out of it. The die inside the 2920 is mounted cockeyed- > and it's huge, some parts of it are outside the limits of the quartz > window. > > Just letting you knwo that more of the weird stuff exists out there, > > Richard > -- Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com Nortel Networks, Ottawa, Canada voice (613) 763-2568 fax (613) 763-9344

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Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Damn, maybe I shouldn't be tossing crud like that busted VR290 in the dumpster... All of those 14" monitors are worth 3 to 5 bucks? Heck, I've probably tossed 20+ of them this year... As I write this the dumpster by my work contains 2 dead terminals, a dead VR290, and Dell guts.. the MicroVAX 3100 may, unfortunately, be joining them soon, since it won't boot and all I get is a ~ from the console :( But seriously, would it be worthwhile to save all the circut boards, monitors, etc. which I currently toss in the dumpster? I already have a bunch of automotive scrap that I know is worthwhile (i.e. engine blocks, transmissions, etc.) but is that computer junk worth it? Will J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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11/23 CPU

by Rdusza＠ci.manchester.ct.us

Is there anyone who knows where I can purchase an 11/23 CPU for an existing Computer that we use to run some process equipment here in town. We had a major failure of one of the processors and donot have any spare CPUs. The system is due to be replaced next month. I also need a name for repair of existing cpus if possible. Thanks, Robert J. Dusza, Jr. Treatment Manager (V) 1-860-647-3219 (F) 1-860-647-3150 E-mail - RDUSZA(a)CI.MANCHESTER.CT.US Manchester Water & Sewer Dept. 125 Spring St. P.O. Box 191 Manchester, CT 06045-0191

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Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Probably MUCH safer to place the CRT in a thick cardboard box and tap an ice pick or awl through the anode connector. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Joules [mailto:peter@joules0.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 7:06 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback In article <m11v9t8-000IyJC@p850ug1>, Tony Duell ...looked dangerous to me so I used the 'blanket and brick' approach as in (c) above or put the tube in a dustbin and crouched down beside the bin and used a hammer to knock off the neck keeping the bin between me and the CRT. -- Regards Pete

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Old QUBIE XT system

by simmiv＠ozemail.com.au

I've been contacted and offered an old XT compatible system called QUBIE.. The owner believes it's from the states originally.. Anyone recognise this brand of computer? Rgds, Simmi Valgeirsson Sydney Australia

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Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I know this business well, having apprenticed to a scrapper for several years. He is lowballing you on prices. This is common among scrappers. However he is fairly accurate when you include labor. Final prices depend on the price of the metals that day, remember this is an international market. > > Breakage, what it sounds like the lowest grade general scrap, 2 to 4 cents/ > lb Breakage breaks down into three categories (actually more if you consider specialized breakage like telephones.) Low grade breakage is 2 to 4 cents per pound. Motor breakage (must include a motor or transformer) is 4 to 6 cents per pound. Aluminum breakage which has a high content of aluminum mixed with other metals can be up to 16 cents per pound. IBM 3380 disk drives have the aluminum platters pressed onto a steel shaft. The difficulty of separating these pieces make them Al breakage. > Cables with copper inside, power cords, data cords, etc. 6 to 8 cents/lb Wire is graded by the amount (%) of copper in them. It really pays to sort it and remove the connectors. The last wire I sold ran from 12 to 24 cents per pound. The connectors stripped of their housings and excess wire can bring up to $2 per pound > Old PC chassis that have some usefull parts, drives etc., but maybe no cpu > or memory chips. 8 cents/lb Old PCs have little value. My friend who is shipping containers overseas is getting $10 for every 486 or better box he throws in the container, they must have CPU (33mhz or better), memory and drives. They do not have to be tested or working. Anything else is steel scrap or breakage. > Just the circuit boards, 25 to 35 cents/lb Raw PC circuit cards are this price. Raw dec cards are worth considerably more. However it pays to clean the cards. If you remove the metals on the card (this includes the aluminum capacitors then the cards can be worth up to $1.50 a pound at the refiner. The last cards I sold I got $1 per pound for run of the mill and 50 cents per pound for clean PC cards. This was at the bottom of the gold market. However I get top dollar because of the job I do to clean them. The last DEC cards I sold I got $1.33 per pound. This is after all of the collectors in the area went through them and pulled anything they were interested in. Gold plated cards like the HP are worth up to $3.50 per pound. The brighter the gold the thinner it is. Circuit cards from before 1972 have gold that is much heavier plated. This is when gold was $35 per ounce. The plating was normally 40 microns. HP plated cards from the 1980s had gold at about 1 micron. These cards have to be evaluated separately It also pays to clip and collect the Tantalum capacitors. They are very heavy. The last I sold I got $4 per pound. > Aluminum that a magnet isn't attracted to. 35 cents/lb The price of Aluminum fluctuates daily. The last prices I got were .37 for painted sheet, .39 for unpainted sheet and ,36 for cast. 6061 extruded is about is about .42, 6063 clips are about .44 and 6068 disk drive platters are worth a premium. If there is any iron or other contaminates the aluminum goes as irony Al (less than 2% iron by weight) or breakage. There are other metals of interest. The water cooled mainframes have a lot of good copper that will bring 70 to 80 cents per pound. Electromagnetic shielding, called Mu (pronounced moo) metal has a high nickel content and ha a value based on the daily price of nickel. Also ALNICO magnets have a fairly high value for similar reasons. These come out of the CDC 300 meg removable disk drives and others. Stainless steel is highly prized because it is heavy and worth about 20 cents per pound. The last major metal salvaged is Palladium not Platinum. It is used heavily in computers. IBM mainframe cards demand a premium because of their use of Palladium. Some keyboards have gold contacts in them. Backplanes are usually Palladium or Gold. Big printers usually have a heavy cast Aluminum base plate. I am not mentioning the value of some of the chips on the cards. Any ceramic chip has a gold value. All plastic chips have a breakage value, even preprogrammed pals. A lot of this varies by the year of manufacture. > Untested or bad monitors > 14" about $3 to $5 > 15" My friend who ships containers overseas is getting above market for monitors. If they are at least SVGA he is getting $10, working or not. He can put up to 200 in each container. Now the minimum weight he has to get into his containers is 40,000 pounds, so he can't send too many. > 17" > 19" More, but it isn't clear how much, as testing/repair becomes more > worthwhile. He is getting $20 non-working for the 19" monitors in the container. Most of his large monitors he has serviced and sells them locally. One consideration in the prices you were quoted was labor. To evaluate a computer system you total what you will get for all of the metals then deduct for the labor to take it apart to get the metals. Many scrappers will work on a profit margin of 2 cents per pound. If they feel they can drive you from the market they will bid more than scrap if they have to. It is better to make friends with scrappers so you can make deals before the sale. We are thinking of making a video tape about evaluating scrap and another about loading containers. Anyone interested? Paxton

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