- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote: > Thomas, for your HP 110+ I have the following software: [...] > 100-SYS DSDD HP 100 series (120/125) CP/M 2.2 system disk Uh, Don, the 110 and 110+/"Portable Plus" are MS-DOS portables. They're not PC-compatible but/and they don't run CP/M. -Frank McConnell

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HP-IL/RS232C Interface

by thomas.h.lindberg＠se.abb.com

Don, Joe, I might be able to help both of you! I believe that I have a manual for the HP-IL RS323 device somewhere, probably also the device itself. I'll check and revert. I also have an old HP 110+, the HP-IL printer that goes (went) with it, a HP-IL floppy drive (720kb), and a HP-IL GPIO device (General Purpose I/O). I'm willing to trade the HP-IL RS232 device for (almost) anything for the HP110+, S/W, firmware, or the memory expansion board. Suggestions, please! Thomas

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FS: manual for MODEM for Tektronix 4010 series terminal

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I spotted this in a surplus store this morning. Does anyone want it? It's a Tektronix manual for the option 37, 38 and 39 MODEM that goes in the 4010 series of terminals. The manual looks like new. $10 plus shipping. Let me know if you want it. Joe

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PDP-11/70 for Scrap

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Jerome, New Mexico parallels almost the entire border of my state... I defintely am interested.. I lack a PDP-11, though I have about 16 or so other minis. Let me know more info. Will J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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GRI-909

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

I have requested a copy of all the patents and info regarding the PDP-8/S and the GRI-909. I will post them too. I asked him for a GRI-909 but.... Unfortunately he thought no one was interested in the 8/S or the GRI-909 so he hauled them both to the dump 6 years ago. :-( :-( :-( :-( , etc.... I am *really* unhappy about that...... john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com -----Original Message----- From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 8:28 PM Subject: GRI-909 > >FWIW, here is one patent probably on the 909 (3631401) >Unfortunatly, IBM doesn't have it on line, nor do they have >any mention of the ones for the 8/S >

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HP 9000/300

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Anyone want a HP computer with HP-UX? Joe In comp.sys.hp.hardware, Ron <rongage(a)att.net> wrote: >Mel Heillman wrote: > >> Does anyone have 9000/300 hardware for sale? >> Does anyone have HP Pascal for thsi machine? > >Hi Mel: > >I have a couple of 9000/300's available if you are interested. > >Each comes with a bootable hard drive (HP/ux 9.something), and a 16 >track HPIB tape drive. >Asking $100.00 each set, or best offer. >I also have the HP-HIL keyboards, mice, and some 19" monitors available. > >Please note, these are fairly heavy units and may prove a bit costly to >ship. > >Ron Gage - Saginaw, MI >(rongage(a)att.net) > >

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MIC 501/504 manuals

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I found this in the CPM news-group. Sounds like this guy knows a lot about the early Chinese CPM computers. Joe In comp.os.cpm, "Bil Hansen" <w_hansen(a)mozcom.com> wrote: >For anyone prepared to cover the cost of postage, I have a copy of the >MIC-501/MIC-504 service manual (in English) and the MIC-500 operator's >manual (in Chinese). I also have a number of CP/M manuals that are >available on the same basis. > >A transfer to Malaysia early next year has forced me reluctantly to >dispose of my 1983-built MIC-501 and associated terminal. Multitech >Industrial Corporation (MIC) was the early English name of the >company, now known as Acer Computers, started in Taiwan by Stan Shih. >The MIC-501 and MIC-504 Z-80 machines were marketed as business >computers and differed only in the capacity of their floppy drives. >The MIC 500 series was marketed under that brand name in many >jurisdictions in the early to mid-1980s. In some jurisdictions, local >companies, such as Pericomp in Australia, self-branded the machine. I >understand that prior ownership of the name 'Multitech' forced Stan >Shih to adopt what has since become the global brand name 'Acer' (the >name of his company has remained the same in Chinese). > >The MIC 500 series service manual is a photocopy (supplied to me by >the company HQ in Taiwan - I bought my machine in Taiwan) of 80 pages >dealing with: >I Hardware Operation Theory >II System Firmware >III BIOS Implementation >IV Mechanical Description >V Trouble shooting >with schematics. > >The MIC 500 series operator's manual is a glossy covered softback >original, in Chinese, introducing the MIC and CP/M 2.2. > >In Oct 1994, through this newsgroup, I had contact with Greg Holdren >at gholdren(a)citrus.sac.ca.us who had an MIC-504, so there is at least >one person out there nursing an MIC-500 series machine. > >Cheers > >Bil >-- >Makati MM, Philippines >http://www2.mozcom.com/~w_hansen/ > >

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VAXStation

by macieks＠pzl-okecie.com.pl

For few months I'm owner of VAXStation 3100 M48. It has 24Mb of RAM, three 120Mb HDDs, TK50 tape and RRD40 cdrom. I'm quite new in this kind of equipment an have very little of experience. It's booting ok, two HDDs and tape works, but one of HDDs war broken and disconnected. And the cdrom drive don't work. When I try mount it I got 'Media off-line' message (It runs VMS 5.2). Is it problem with some jumper settings on drive or so ? Is it possible to get some hardware related manuals (I've few VMS manuals downloaded from the web). Thank you for any help. Maciek S. Szymanski

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HP UX info required

by wrm＠ccii.co.za

Hi all I need help with an HP/UX box. I don't know much about the thing except that it has two hard drives connected to the first (0) HPIB cable and a tape drive connected to the third cable (ID 3). Problem is that the existing software looks for the tape drive at /dev/rct/c7d0s2, and can't find it. The device entry c7d0s2 has a major number 7 and a minor number 0x400702. Am I correct in thinking that the minor number related to the HPIB address in some way, because I expect the tape drive to be 4.2.3.0.0.0. Please bear with me, this is the first time in my life I've seen an HP/UX box, so I'm pretty clueless. What do I need to find out about the box to make the tape drive work? Thanks Wouter PS: Anybody have Apollo 3500 hardware info for me? And where can I get a copy of Domain/OS, my one tape seems buggered?

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reading tapes in bad conditions

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>depending on the number of records skiped vmstpce returns parity error >or EOT. There seems to be no correlation between number of records and error >type. Keep in mind that VMSTPCE, by default, does a rewind before doing the image, so your SET MAG/SKIP commands probably don't mean anything anyway. You need /NOREWIND to force it to not rewind. VMSTPCE also has the "/ERROR" switch to make it ignore erros. I suspect your tape drive thinks its too smart to read past an error though. >I was thinking of strange suggestions like those to get stuck RD53 working >again. For 800 BPI, you can always move the start-of-tape marker past the crinkled tape. This will work for *some*, but not all, 1600 BPI tape drives too. (There's a ID burst at the start of a 1600 BPI tape that some drives will insist on finding.) Same for 6250. >Eric, I guess you'll have to wait untill I have set up again the 3420 tapes; >these probably are old enough to not be too smart. What's the project, out of curiosity? I've only got a dozen 9-track drives here that might help :-) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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TI 990 DX10 overview manual

by aek＠spies.com

Volume I of the DX10 OS manual is pdf-ed and on spies now under the TI section of www.spies.com/aek/orphan.html thanks to dylanb(a)sympatico.ca for forwarding it to me to scan. There are lots of other documentation still to find, though.

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Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by edick＠idcomm.com

If you have a cable which separates the 3 video colors and their returns >from the DE-15 and also brings up the two sync signals you're on your way, but you need to put an adapter in the cable in order to allow you to invert sync polarity in case the video board requires it. If you have 5 BNC's, that normally means you don't need the 500-ohm resistor to green video from the comp sync pin on your video board's application connector. That just imposes sync on green, which won't help with your 5-bnc monitor. The key question is whether or not the video card can produce a sync combination palatable to your monitor. I believe the A2094 uses a 72-Hz vertical rate to produce 1280x1024. at 72 Hz, that exceeds the capabilities of most video DACs as normally found on PC video cards. Knowing that, I'd not expect to find a card for just a few dollars (few meaning <<1k) which is up to the task. Most current generation video boards interlace the 1280x1024 at 83 Hz in order to stay within the DAC's capabilities. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 10:58 PM Subject: Re: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?) >> I have found a manufacturer that seems to have an adaptor to allow me to use >> my HP A2094 monitor with my standard PC for only $30.00. >> Could this actually work ? > >It will help you just as much as wrapping a rubber band around the >video cable. Sure, the rubber band wont do a damn thing for you, but >it will cost a lot less than $30.00 ;) > >> I am not a monitor expert so could someone tell me if this could work by >> adding composite sync on pin 13, and on green pin 2 ? >> Looks to me that It would only be MONO if this is done ? >> >> Here is the information from their site: >> >> PC Sync Adapter (Cost $30.00) > >You dont need a sync adaptor. Your monitor has 5 BNC connectors, and can >thus accept separate sync. This is a GOOD thing. Especially since your >video card generates separate sync. > >Now, you say that some source mentions that the monitor is not VGA >compatible. Most likely, this is because the monitor doesnt support >a 640X480 @ 60Hz mode. When IBM compatible computers boot up, they always >use this video mode, and later in the boot sequence they switch to >whatever mode you specify. > >SO. IF this monitor is going to work at all, what you need is a video >cable with 5 BNC connectors on one end, and a HD15 connector on the >other. If the monitor doesnt support 640x480, then you would have to use >another monitor to set windows to the correct resolution and refresh >rate, and then switch monitors. Thereafter, when the machine is booted up, >the monitor would not sync up until the boot sequence reached the point where >it changes to the correct resolution and sync rate. Of course, if something >goes wrong, you wont have a clue whats wrong until you switch monitors... > >Dont pay more than $15 for the video cable, and make sure it comes with >a toroid of some sort. As long as you're sure your IBM video card can be set >to that maximum resolution and refresh rate that the monitor can handle, >I would say this has an excellent chance of working. > >-Lawrence (using a good HP A4032A 17" monitor some company discarded) LeMay

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Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

I have found a manufacturer that seems to have an adaptor to allow me to use my HP A2094 monitor with my standard PC for only $30.00. Could this actually work ? I am not a monitor expert so could someone tell me if this could work by adding composite sync on pin 13, and on green pin 2 ? Looks to me that It would only be MONO if this is done ? Here is the information from their site: PC Sync Adapter (Cost $30.00) HD-15 Male to HD-15 Female adapter provides composite sync (pin 13) and sync on green (pin 2). Here is the standard pinouts for a VGA video card that I found: VGA DB15-S Female DB9 Female 15-pin 9-pin assignment 1 1 Red 2 2 Green 3 3 Blue 4 - Monitor ID bit 2 5 - N/C 6 6 GND (red return) 7 7 GND (green return) 8 8 GND (blue return) 9 - N/C 10 - GND 11 - Monitor ID bit 0 12 - Minitor ID bit 1 13 4 Horizontal Sync 14 5 Vertical Sync 15 - N/C

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Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

>Yes, this monitor has analogue RGB inputs with separate syncs. But the >scan rates are neither US TV rates (which is what the C128 produces) or >VGA. I believe some SVGA cards could drive this given suitable software >(Xfree86 could probably do it if you run linux). >> Monitor Specifications: (From the Website) >> H Frequency : 68.7 > >US TV is 15.570kHz, VGA is 31.25kHz or thereabouts. > >> V Frequency : 75 Hz > >US TV is 60Hz, as is VGA (?) Info I have found says it runs 1152 X 870 at 75 Hz I seem to be getting several different opinions on the HP 19 inch monitor.

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Wanted: PDP-11

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Another night of scrounging eBay's "Vintage" category has left me with that urge once again.. so if anyone has a PDP-11 system for sale or trade within reasonable driving or shipping distance of Austin, Texas, please let me know. Bill -- Bill Bradford * mrbill(a)mrbill.net / http://www.mrbill.net mrbill(a)sunhelp.org / http://www.sunhelp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to using Windows NT for mission-critical applications." -- What Yoda *meant* to say

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IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - List changes - Hopefully no more spam!

by dpeschel＠u.washington.edu

Hi, After the recent spam episode and Bruce Lane's frustrated outburst, I have changed the configuration of the CLASSICCMP list. Non-subscribers may no longer send messages. Luckily, when a non-subscriber sends a message, it is returned to them with insturctions about how to subscribe. It is also sent to me. That solves the problem of legitimate non-subscriber messages that I was worried about. In a few cases I will probably agree to forward messages without making people subscribe. There is also a "feature" of the software (I use the term loosely, as with a lot of the other "features") that saves non-subscriber messages, or maybe hashes them and then saves them. If the same message is sent more than once, it simply disappears with no errors. This happens even if the non-subscriber subscribes and then sends the message again. I don't know if it happens if the non-subscriber sends the same message from a different address. The solution (which is explained in the automated reply) is to change the contents of the message and then send it again. Although that is a cute spam-preventing feature, I will probably end up sending reminders to the legitimate non-subscribers so they don't get confused when their messages vanish. I discovered that five people who post here often weren't actually subscribed. I already replied to them personally and apologized for the confusion. Hopefully I'll get fewer bounces after they subscribe. Unfortunately, the requirement that each person must use a specific address is going to become even more annoying; messages from alternate addresses slipped through before, but now they will be rejected. Let me know if you have any other questions. -- Derek

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GRI-909

by aek＠spies.com

FWIW, here is one patent probably on the 909 (3631401) Unfortunatly, IBM doesn't have it on line, nor do they have any mention of the ones for the 8/S

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NTSC sync rate (was Re: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB?))

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com -----Original Message----- From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:35 PM Subject: NTSC sync rate (was Re: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB?)) >"John B" <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: >Tony wrote: >> US TV is 15.570kHz, VGA is 31.25kHz or thereabouts. > >John B wrote: >> No, the US TV (NTSC) Scan Rate is 15.750Khz > >Well, if you want to get nitpicky, the NTSC horizontal sync >rate is 15.73425 KHz. I know.. I didn't want to get *picky*.. the vertical rate is 59.94... > >The old EIA RS-170 monochrome standard was 15.750 KHz, but that >is not suitable for NTSC color use. The color burst frequency >is 3.579545 MHz +/- 10 Hz, and the the horizontal rate is required >to be exactly 2/455 of that frequency. Otherwise the color information >will produce luma artifacts and/or interfere with the sound carrier. > >Note that they could have chosen to make the color carrier 3.583125 MHz, >and kept all the video timing exactly the same as for RS-170. Then they >would have had to raise the center frequency of the audio carrier by >0.1%. The FCC apparently would not let them make that change, in the >interest of compatability with existing monochrome receivers (which is >incredibly stupid, since the receivers wouldn't have even noticed), so >they had to lower everything else by 0.1% instead. Thus the need for >disgusting hacks like drop-frame time code. Sigh. > >Eric > > >Reference: _A Technical Introduction to Digital Video_ by Charles A. >Poynton, John Wiley & Sons, 1996 >

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GRI-909

by aek＠spies.com

"I was able to find the sole designer of the PDP-8/S who is now retired, Saul B. Dinman, Product Line Manager, Module Product Line -1966-69 " Interesting reading... The GRI-909 is ALSO an interesting 16 bit machine. There is mention of it in Korn's minicomputer book, and Allen Baum has a little information on it. It would be interesting to find out if Saul has any information on it in his archives.

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Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?) >> >> Subject: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?) >> >> >> >> >> I found a Website with the specs on the HP monitor I found. >> Could someone take at look at the specs and tell me if this is standard RGB >> , >> or is it possibly VGA compatible ? > >What do you mean by 'standard' RGB? I can give you a dozen different and >incompatible RGB standards. > >Yes, this monitor has analogue RGB inputs with separate syncs. But the >scan rates are neither US TV rates (which is what the C128 produces) or >VGA. I believe some SVGA cards could drive this given suitable software >(Xfree86 could probably do it if you run linux). > >> >> Monitor Specifications: (From the Website) > >[...] > >> H Frequency : 68.7 > >US TV is 15.570kHz, VGA is 31.25kHz or thereabouts. No, the US TV (NTSC) Scan Rate is 15.750Khz john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com > >> V Frequency : 75 Hz > >US TV is 60Hz, as is VGA (?) > >-tony > >

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Free: Sun 4/260

by wrking＠tsoft.com

I've picked up a more or less complete Sun 4/260 the other day. (2 deskside cabinets). I haven't powered it on, but the system is complete (excepting the monitor). You can't beat the price (US $0.00). I'm in the San Francisco Bay area. Any takers? Bill

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Done did it.

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

>Someone responded privately that they found no hits on Deja News. >Here's what I do in a typical search... > >I entered "Commodore Hyperion" (no quotes) in the "quick search" >area at the upper right of their start page. It returned no results. >That's OK. Down below, there's a copy of your query. Change >"Search [recent] messages" to [past], then click "Search" >next to it. (Selecting [all] would work, too.) > >Presto, a bunch of hits. Some are from Dr. Peter Kittel. He >worked at Commodore Germany, it looks like he knows a bit about it. >He'd probably respond to an e-mail if you sent him one. > >- John I done did that already. I was was right too! The C= Hyperion was a Dynalogic/ComTerm/Bytec Hyperion with a Commodore name on it! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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I jfound the engineer who DESIGNED THE PDP-8/S

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

Amazing................................................. I am getting a lot of new documentation which seems to be refute some of the facts on the PDP-8 FAQ. I have been in contact with quite a few retired DEC engineers from the '60s. I was able to find the sole designer of the PDP-8/S who is now retired, Saul B. Dinman, Product Line Manager, Module Product Line -1966-69 I have updated my website with pictures of the prototype PDP-8/S which was built entirely on Laboratory Blue Plug-in Panels (Blue ones - H901) in 1966. I also got a lot more information on the 8/S and will be posting a lot more information on the Patents Saul acquired as a result of the design of the PDP-8/S. Please go to http://www.pdp8.com/ , click on the 8/S picture. and click on the prototype link. Changes to the text are now in Bold. WARNING!!! Pictures are big and take up much bandwidth! I am gathering documentation from prior DEC engineers to make changes to the PDP-8 FAQ. Enjoy! john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com

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reading tapes in bad conditions

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Anybody know some trick to bring back at least part of it? I tried skipping >blocks, records and files without success? I'm using VMS 7.2 and a Cipher SCSI >tape. It depends on the SCSI tape drive's firmware, but with many you'll be able to skip over bad parts with a combination of SET MAGTAPE/SKIP=FILES and SET MAGTAPE/SKIP=RECORDS. If the SCSI tape drive won't let you do this, it's probably because its firmware thinks that a tape error means end-of-tape and won't let you go past. I can't make any other recommendation other than to get a different drive (preferably, something with a "less intelligent" interface. It's rarely good when the peripheral thinks you know better than it what you want it to do!) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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DEC/Compaq Collection Arrives Tuesday, December 14!

by spicer＠computerhistory.org

Hi Everyone! The largest single remaining collection of historical DEC equipment in the world arrives at the History Center in three 51 foot tractor trailers this coming Tuesday, December 14 and Thursday, December 16th. Thanks to Compaq Corporation, this tremendous "family tree" of DEC equipment will be preserved for future generations to enjoy, study from, and marvel at. Thanks to Compaq also for underwriting the shipping of this unique collection to the History Center in Mountain View where it will form part of the Center's permanent collection. Highlights from the donation include: VAX 11/750 VAX 11/780 VAX 11/780 Eastern block clone VAX 11/730 VAX 8300 VAX 9000 LINC 8 PDP-1 PDP-4 PDP-5 PDP-6 PDP-7 PDP-8A/E/L/M PDP-9 PDP-9L PDP-10 (KA) PDP-11/23 PDP-11/40 PDP-11/60 PDP-12 PDP-15 VT52 VT320 VT100 VT100 AA GIGI Hundreds more items including tape drives, disk drives, manuals, line printers, sfotware, museum displays, &c. These items will form the backbone of a new exhibit, scheduled to open to the public in January, 2000, on DEC's many pioneering contributions to computing. I will post images of the unloading for everyone within the next few days at the following URL: http://www.computerhistory.org/events/latest/ In the meantime, if you have any questions about the donation or about the History Center generally, please feel free to drop me a line. Best wishes, Dag. -- Dag Spicer Curator & Manager of Historical Collections Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing The Computer Museum History Center Building T12-A NASA Ames Research Center Mountain View, CA 94035 Offices: Building T12-A Exhibit Area: Building 126 Tel: +1 650 604 2578 Fax: +1 650 604 2594 E-m: spicer(a)computerhistory.org WWW: http://www.computerhistory.org <spicer(a)tcm.org> PGP: 15E31235 (E6ECDF74 349D1667 260759AD 7D04C178) S/V T12 Read about the latest History Center developments in "CORE," our quarterly on-line newsletter: http://www.computerhistory.org/events/core/1.1/

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reading tapes in bad conditions

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

I wrote: >(preferably, something with a "less intelligent" interface. It's rarely >good when the peripheral thinks you know better than it what you want it to >do!) Reverse that last sentence to apply the DWIM [1] operator to my typing :-) Tim. [1] Do What I Meant

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Intel Intellec 8 computer?????

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< As far as I remember, the Intellec 8 was for 8008's <I'm reasonably sure that the 8080 were only in the <MDS800's. I have an old Intel catalog that has these Ths is correct. The MDS800 was after the intellec8I the intellec II was the MDS200 series II < The 8048 was a much later product. It came out just before <the Series II was the main development tool for Intel No after. <parts. They did have a SDK for 8048's. It was like <older SBC in that it had LED's, keypad and programmer <socket on a single PC board. Prompt48, small box with keypad two sockets and display. It could program 8748, and do a passable in circuit emulation using the romless part. Allison

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Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?) >> >> H Frequency : 68.7 >> > >> >US TV is 15.570kHz, VGA is 31.25kHz or thereabouts. >> >> No, the US TV (NTSC) Scan Rate is 15.750Khz > >Yes, you're right (525 lines/picture * 30 pictures/second). It was just a >typo, honest :-) I have seen the quality of information you provide here... I am sure it was a typo... I wasn't following the thread so I wanted to make sure the guy wasn't going to line up something at 15570 ;-) john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com > >-tony > >

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by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

*Snort!* One of the few places I've seen that makes the prices on E-Bay look cheap. Their target market is definitely *not* hobbyists. On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:53:00 -0500 CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com writes: > >There was a lot of local interest in these machines back in about > '78. = > >California Digital, a sometime surplus vendor > > Still a reliable surplus vendor, incidentally: > > http://www.cadigital.com/ > > Perhaps the best-known NOS selection of 8" floppy drives anywhere in > the > world, as well as 8" media and cleaning kits. > > -- > Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com > Trailing Edge Technology WWW: > http://www.trailing-edge.com/ > 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 > Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Silly dealers and comments.

by jpero＠cgocable.net

Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:40:29 +0000 Reply-to: listproc(a)u.washington.edu From: listproc(a)u.washington.edu To: jpero(a)cgocable.net Cc: dpeschel(a)u.washington.edu Subject: Silly Dealers and comments Modified email due to emailing list requirements. Hi, > $69USD for a 2x Acer CD-ROM??? We sell Creative 48X's for $65 and make a > decent profit at that... Creative's cd drives *knocks* who? who? Creative only resells cdrom drives that they could find cheapest batch of that. I rather not to. > $9.59USD for 1 CD-R Media??? We sell 'em $15 for a box of 10... That's would be good quality CD-R media like TDK, KAO, Sony etc. Cheap cd-r's do cause problems. I just heard from my friend who tried Memorex and few other "inexpensive" brands and it didn't do very well. What is the brand of those box of 10 cd-r your business are selling? No, not from that dealer. From reputable resellers when I buy stuff. Wizard

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BYTE Computer

by mrdos＠swbell.net

Does anyone know about a computer called a Byte with the following specs? RAM - 48 Kb ROM - 16 Kb External memory - Tape recorder or 5" FDD Type of processor - Z80A (UA880) Format of displaying information, graphic mode - 256 points ? 192 points Software, keeping in ROM - program-interpreter of language "Basik" Amount of sound synthesizer channels - 4 Amount simultaneously displayed colors, not less - 15 Weight, not more - 4,5 kg Presence of alphabets - Russian, Latin, Russian - Latin Time of entering-conclusion of block logical information with size of 1 Kbyte, seconds - 5 Any help would be appreciated!

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(no subject)

by edick＠idcomm.com

There was a lot of local interest in these machines back in about '78. California Digital, a sometime surplus vendor, ran ads in the mags of the time, e.g. BYTE and Kilobaud, for the digital cassette drives that went on these WP machines. Out here, in the hinterland, we thought those would be a potential improvement over the audio cassettes many of us were using to store data, hence we jumped on 'em. Wayne Wall wrote a simple loader/saver to run with them and, ultimately, Peter Boyle, author of the XPL0 language for the 6502,et al, wrote a floppy file system which Wayne Wall adapted for these tape drives. This later reappeared as the "APEX" os for various 6502-based machines. Unfortunately, Chuck Robertson and I were the only ones who went so far as to package a pair of the drives together for use on the same system. Chuck modified the "TFS" tape file system for use with a pair of drives, but the only copy of that was damaged beyond repair during a fixit session between Wayne, Chuck, and me, (I wasn't even smart enough to be dangerous where this TFS stuff was concerned) and the TFS then slid into oblivion. Floppies, in the meantime went down in price, and someone gave Wayne Wall an Apple-][ . . . so you can imagine what happened to the tape drive effort. It only held about 250 kB, on a 60-minute audio cassette, and it took about two minutes to run the tape from one end to the other when searching for a record. Nobody had yet thought to put the directory in the middle of the tape. Once one had used a floppy there was no chance he'd want to use these for a file-oriented OS. Oh, well. I still have the box with the pair of drives in it, by the way. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Mike Barton <mjbarton(a)erols.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 6:42 PM I recieved a Lexitron Word Processor at ... a yard sale. No diskettes to get the thing to run. Can you help in any way so I can either trash it or use it?? Thanks in advance

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CoCoLinux (was: I am buying someone a Sun SPARC?. What do I

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Based on the info I found there about three months ago it looks as if the <UMDA/66's are about the same as a U2W drive. To get the real advantage yo <have to go with RAID and disk stripping. Also, unless I'm misreading thing <UDMA/66 puts about the same load on the processor as SCSI. Yes, SCSI is <still superior, BUT the difference is so slight that you have to ask if th <added cost is worth it. Yes this is all bogus. As a single drive UDMA faster but two scsi drives are still faster as with UDMA (Still IDE) you can only talk to one spindle at a time. SCSI you can have seven on like and with some of the fancier stuff you have the ability to talk to all of them! This makes a real difference if you have system on one, Swap on another and Data on a third. When you interleave like that with queued IO then the difference is substantial. Also RAID with IDE is really flakey! Allison

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FW: Test # 4 -Delete now

by truthanl＠oclc.org

> -----Original Message----- > From: Truthan,Larry > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:48 AM > To: 'ClassicCMP(a)u.washington.edu' > Subject: Test # 3 -Delete now > > inbox sort test from listserve - Please disregard

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Test # 3 -Delete now

by truthanl＠oclc.org

inbox sort test from listserve - Please disregard

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FW: Test Message #2 - delete it now

by truthanl＠oclc.org

> testing inbox sort criteria - please disregard >

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Test Message - delete it now

by truthanl＠oclc.org

testing inbox sort criteria - please disregard

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Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 12:46 PM Subject: Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback) > > >--- Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: >> You can safely let the air in (or vacuum out) of a CRT by breaking the >> "tit" on the back end of the CRT where the air was evacuated. It may be >> covered by the plug for the electrical connections. If it is then just >> break the plug off. The glass is very thin there and I've seen may people >> just use a karate chop motion with almost any metal object to break the end >> of the tit off. That will let the air in and the rest of the tube stays >> intact. > >I just did that accidentally to a Mac SE. :-( I was trying to remove a >cable from the innards and my hand slipped and wacked the board on the >back of the CRT and skewed it far enough to bust that little tit. Now I >have *more* spare Mac parts. Do you know how many of those week lost at Queens Park?? One guy in my department nailed CRTs 2 in one week... You never forget that "hissing" sound that comes out of the unit... then the expression on the person working on it. The SEs also had those bad hard drives... the Principal Secretary actually had a large screw driver next to his SE... Every time the drive wouldn't spin up he would beat the crap out of it. Apple came down and they agreed to replace all the flaky hard drives free immediately. Entire legislative assembly had those things everywhere. I was visiting one MPP (member of provincial parliament) and will never forget what he did.He hated the SE so much that he actually asked me "how do I get a new real computer?".. I told him the only way was if this one broke. .. Well, in front of me he pushed it off his desk and hoped that it would smash when it hit the floor. It didn't break so I decided to help him out and offered to bring it back to my department and have one of our Junior Programmers put a new drive in it. He then yelled out in the hallway "Someone trip Bordnik! He's got my computer and I don't want that piece of shit back.". Good times. john http://www.pdp8.com > >-ethan > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com >

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Old usenet news?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I thought this topic had been chewed once or twice on this Classic Computer Collectors mailing list, but I couldn't find it in my archive. I often lament that there may never be an archive of news in the middle era between the start of Usenet news and the birth of the Web. Deja News only goes back to about March 1995. The <http://www.archive.org/home.html> archive appears to be down right now, but it has a simple archive of a few years' worth of early Usenet news. I think there's a gap of at least ten years between its archive and Deja News. Henry Spencer supposedly archived everything into the early 90s, but did he save the tapes and shift them to new media in time? <http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/index.html> has an archive from May 1981 to May 1982, apparently based on his files. I found a news story on archive.org at <http://www.newmedianews.com/042597/ts_inetarchive.html>. Hmm. I had to blink twice, the picture of the guy running it looks enough like me to confuse myself. Fortunately, he didn't look like me in other pictures. He's a net god of sorts. He founded Thinking Machines, and later sold other companies to AOL and Amazon. archive.org is trying to archive all Web sites. <http://www.sflan.com/> is another project he funded - near and dear to my heart, because I'm typing this on a VNC window on a 4.5 mile wireless link. According to <http://www.deja.com/help/faq.shtml>, Deja has 300 million messages, accounting for more than 500 gigabytes of disk space. They say Usenet posts are increasing geometrically. At least with old news, you can know there's only a finite amount. I seem to remember that in 1983 or so, all of Usenet news was only pumping a meg or two a day. Can anyone confirm this, or supply any other data points along this curve? How many megs of Usenet posts might there be in this gap between, say, 1983 and 1995? What are the chances that someone, somewhere, has an archive of everything from these years? I guess we only need to find one. :-) - John

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I am buying someone a Sun SPARC?. What do I buy?

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

I have 0 experience with Sun. I have a friend who really likes Sun but has a Sun SPARC IPX?. What model does anyone here recommend I buy for just under $2K US. I see the Sun IPXs are selling cheap on eBay so are they a low end machine? [thats what he has right now]. I am buying this for an XMAS present - probably on eBay. I see right now: Sun SPARC 10,7,5, Ultra 1, and others. Any recommendations? john http://www.pdp8.com/

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PDP-8L (was PDP-11/70)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > Do you have docs for the PDP-8Ls? I have a running desktop PDP-8L coming in > next weekend and am not sure if I am getting the docs or not. I have a couple of the relevant handbooks (c. 1970) and a B-sized printset that is marked: DEC-8/L-HR2A-D, PDP-8/L MAINTENANCE MANUAL Volume II, 3rd printing - March 1972 I can't scan 11"x17" documents, but it's only a few dozen pages - processor flow diagrams, logic diagrams, module placement and module schematics. I can get it copied for you either as trade in kind or for the cost of duplicating plus shipping. That's all I've got for the -8/L. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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DEC Front Panel

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> wrote: > > I think DEC never made the remote protocol available or public. Not surprising. > Probably it could be done with someone with an 11/70, an RDC and a > line analyzer to trap the connections. Only if you could wedge the line analyzer in between the 11/70 and the remote support device on the other end (i.e., a live session). I do happen to have a couple of HP line analyzers - the ones that use TU58- sized tapes, not the floppy version. I can follow the traffic and, indeed, even synthesize some. We had some home-grown software that would simulate bisync traffic and even an SNA logon sequence. Most sophisticated. > The remote panel has a really slick ODT mode. If I can find my 11/70 > pocket RDC guide I'll photocopy it. That'd be great. No hurry. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

Back to that warehouse today with all the HP stuff in it. Found this monster 21inch monitor that looks to be an RGB Type.. The Monitor has 5 BNC connectors on the back Labeled .. 1. HD (Sync) 2. VD (Sync) 3. R 4. G 5. B Hope to hook this up to my Commodore 128D Computer.. Before I get to excited can someone tell me if this model is standard RGB ? Or is this some non standard type ? Phil..

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Old usenet news?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<According to <http://www.deja.com/help/faq.shtml>, Deja has <300 million messages, accounting for more than 500 gigabytes <of disk space. They say Usenet posts are increasing geometrically. It would be arithmetically but spam raised to 20,000++ newsgroups may have an impact. <At least with old news, you can know there's only a finite amount. <I seem to remember that in 1983 or so, all of Usenet news was only <pumping a meg or two a day. Can anyone confirm this, or supply <any other data points along this curve? How many megs of Usenet <posts might there be in this gap between, say, 1983 and 1995? I know from 86ish to 91 I had no problem following several groups. then all of a sudden even one group was too much. <What are the chances that someone, somewhere, has an archive of <everything from these years? I guess we only need to find one. :-) You'd have to check each group. some archived, some didn't. COMP.OS.CPM used to but I think it's long gone. Allison

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Available: DEC RK611 Controller

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

Didn't you just try to sell this on EBay? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=211502560 john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com -----Original Message----- From: William King <wrking(a)tsoft.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 11:57 PM Subject: Available: DEC RK611 Controller >I have (most of) a RK611 controller that I don't need. > >This controller consists of: > >RK611 backplane (similar to a DD11-DK) >M7900 RK06/07 Unibus interface >M7901 RK06/07 register module >M7902 RK06/07 control module >M7903 RK06/07 data module >Boot ROM for M9012 Bootstrap/Terminator Module > >*Note* however that the following module is missing: > >M7904 RK06/07 drive interface module > >If you're interested, make an offer. I'll probably accept it. > >Bill > >

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DEC Front Panel

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> wrote: > ...I'd love to have one in my 11/70. Trade? ;-) > Unfortunately, there's no way to run both the blinkin' lights > with the remote panel. Yes, well... I'd be happy with one each. > Love to see a browser interfaced java 11/70 emulator running to a remote > location with full software emulated graphics front panel. Is there enough information out there to make a virtual console for an 11/70 via the remote panel? I have no idea what the protocol (or serial line speed would be). Does the remote panel have an ODT-like mode? -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Looking for... Commodore Hyperion

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Someone responded privately that they found no hits on Deja News. Here's what I do in a typical search... I entered "Commodore Hyperion" (no quotes) in the "quick search" area at the upper right of their start page. It returned no results. That's OK. Down below, there's a copy of your query. Change "Search [recent] messages" to [past], then click "Search" next to it. (Selecting [all] would work, too.) Presto, a bunch of hits. Some are from Dr. Peter Kittel. He worked at Commodore Germany, it looks like he knows a bit about it. He'd probably respond to an e-mail if you sent him one. - John

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CoCoLinux2 (should be: Dammit, Eudora!!!)

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that healyzh(a)aracnet.com may have mentioned these words: [snip on the stuff you already read... How do I change (or at least disable) Eudora's <CTRL><E> "send msg. now" sequence??? :-/ It raises hades with my Linux/Unix fingers...] >> To bring this (kinda) back on topic, is there a freeware CoCo emulator for >> Linux out there? (Actually, even a 6809-only emulator would be cool...) > >http://www.multimania.com/jth/6809.html > >Also, believe it or not, look at Xmame, it apparently can emulate the CoCo >now?!?! Thanks for the references... I'll have to check them out. I really love Jeff Vavasour's CoCo3 emulator for DOS, but multithreaded just sounds too darned cool... ;-) See ya (again... ;-) Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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old manuals and/or documentation

by tom＠cotc-consulting.com

I'm looking for some "old" reference materials. The materials include either manuals, articles, training materials, college thesis, white papers, school tests, list servers or other information that is considered in the "Public Domain". This material could be purchased, referenced, reviewed, etc. by anyone. Internal company I'm doing some research for the recent Y2K patent regarding date windowing. The materials need to have a copyright date before October 1995. If anyone would have access to any of this material and willing to share via sending the book, making some copies, ISBN numbers, etc. I would be interested in conversing with you. Specifically the materials should show an example of the date window technique (any cutoff date will do), the use in a comparison and possibly the use in a sort. The word on the street is that the reference could be found in the Clipper manuals or I've seen some indication on a web page for Quicken for Macintosh (version 1, 2, or 3). The indication discussed the method Quicken uses but did not reference any manual. I was hoping someone had the manual and could locate the reference to it within the written pages. Your help will be greatly appreciated and I look forward to hearing from you soon. Please respond back if you have information to share. Tom Renz

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PDP-11/70 for Scrap

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> wrote: > Too many around?! > > Argh. I need to move to the west coast. I'm in the DC area, and have been > [sporadically] looking for an 11/70 for ages. I had to jump on a pair of them that were being shooed out the door here in Columbus, but, to my disappointment, do not have a proper frontpanel (no switches and blinkenlights, just a start button). If it's possible to retrofit a full console into a remote-diagnostic console machine, I'd love to find a console out there (preferably from a machine that is being parted out anyway - I wouldn't want to *cause* a machine to be disassembled). -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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