- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Can you format one 1.44MB down to 720K? Early Laptops had 720 K diskettes. Should be a format switch like / 720 or s:720 -----Original Message----- From: mark belles [mailto:mrbelles@pittstate.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 11:15 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Honeywell Bull:Laptop Hey, Anybody familiar with the Zenith Data Systems line of Honeywell Bull laptop computers? I just recently got one from a friend, complete with an inkjet printer. I have pretty much all the specs/manuals that originally came with it. No software. I booted it up for the first time and got into the BIOS and fiddled with it enough for it to boot. It had DOS installed on it. Does anyone know if that is the original OS, if not what was it? Now here's the problem, when it boots now I can't get into BIOS or even into the system monitor program. I have tried boot disks, nothing. I can't get it to read the disk. hard disk or floppy. The boot disks I have tried have all been 1.44 mb, do you think that maybe a low density disk would make a difference, and if so does anyone know where I can get my hands on one? Anyone have any ideas? Sure could use some advice! Thanks, Mark Belles

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One TTY problem down, one to go

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > The platten, at least on friction-feed models, is a plastic moulding and > it's very unlikely to bent (I have had one break off at the end :-(). My concern is that something heavy may have been left on this thing for multiple months/years and bent the plastic over time. I don't know this for certain, but when I got home, the cover was broken (crack in the clear acrylic panel at a corner, small bits broken off the opaque cover adjacent). I'll disengage the heavy spring from the front ratchet and see how freely this platten turns. For my tests last night, I was turning the platten manually with a light grip on the feed knob and, depending on the angular position of the platten, sometimes the platten would turn, other times, my hand would slip on the knob. With the plattens exchanged, the better unit turns easily and freely about the whole revolution and didn't miss a single line feed in several feet of tests. > Most likely there's uneven waer or stickyness on the ratchet teeth on the > platten. This is a common problem and causes the feed pawl to stick. It is not stickiness on the ratchet teeth. I remove the platten and cleaned each tooth with a cloth and blunt stick. It could be uneven wear. > > I did discover that you need to remove the print mechanism > > from the base to get access to a spring... > > Actually, you can take the linkage apart above the chassis and leave the > spring connected underneath. It's a bit of a fiddle to get it back, though. I saw that the linkage could be disassembled, but at least this way, I didn't have to readjust the tolerances. Fortunately, I think this is a one-time job. > Take off the ribbon. Optionally (but I always do it because it makes life > easier) take off the ribbon feed mechanism by loosening the 2 screws under > the front edge and lifting it up and out. Got that already. > Unhook the carriage return spring... Easy enough. > (This bit is not in the manuals AFAIK, but it's essential). Pull out the > rubber insert from the damper piston on the left side of the carriage. An important tip. Many thanks. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Honeywell Bull:Laptop

by mrbelles＠pittstate.edu

Hey, Anybody familiar with the Zenith Data Systems line of Honeywell Bull laptop computers? I just recently got one from a friend, complete with an inkjet printer. I have pretty much all the specs/manuals that originally came with it. No software. I booted it up for the first time and got into the BIOS and fiddled with it enough for it to boot. It had DOS installed on it. Does anyone know if that is the original OS, if not what was it? Now here's the problem, when it boots now I can't get into BIOS or even into the system monitor program. I have tried boot disks, nothing. I can't get it to read the disk. hard disk or floppy. The boot disks I have tried have all been 1.44 mb, do you think that maybe a low density disk would make a difference, and if so does anyone know where I can get my hands on one? Anyone have any ideas? Sure could use some advice! Thanks, Mark Belles

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Speaking of "big iron" emulators

by aek＠spies.com

I don't know of any simulators for the Univac 36 bit series. It would be an interesting project, though. I wonder how much documentationf or the original ERA machine still exists. Exec 8 or it's descendents may be tough to find, though.

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Speaking of "big iron" emulators

by pat＠transarc.ibm.com

This is sort of off-the-wall, but does anyone know if there are any emulators extant for my other favorite 36-bit machines - the Univac 1100 series? Yet another one I might try to work on an emulator for, assuming I ever retrieve my docs from my mother's house ... Of course, I don't have a copy of OS1100, so I don't know what I could do with such a thing.... (And, you can still buy a lot of this documentation, too - it's still listed as available, and purchasable on-line, on Unisys's web site...). --Pat.

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One TTY problem down, one to go

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

OK... I found and fixed the lack of paper feed problem. It was caused by there being a variable amount of force needed to turn the platten depending on where it was in the rotation. In other words, there is a flat spot or the platten itself is bent (I only suggest this because one of the units may have had something resting on top due to a bad garage packing job done by my former roommates when I was out of the U.S. for a time). When I swapped plattens between my two TTYs, the recipent unit turned over like a breeze. I did discover that you need to remove the print mechanism >from the base to get access to a spring that's critical in the line feed linkage. Fortunately, I found out the easy way and not by busting something. Now all that remains is the type cylinder/print hammer retraction problem. I can type zeros all day and it behaves nicely. Most keys, however, do not yield satisfactory results. I currently suspect that the bar that rides up and down on the 2cm-tall pegs (topped with circlips) on either side of the type cylinder is gummed up in some fashion. It moves up and down freely by hand, but there is a bit of stickiness that I don't think should be there. If I could figure out how to remove the entire assembly, I'd swap it with the other unit. At this point, I can manage exchanging entire assemblies much more than individual parts. I did locate my wiring diagrams (B-sized, blue covers, about a dozen pages) but but not the grey maintenance manuals. :-( Thanks for all the helpful suggestions so far. I've been wiping and oiling (carefully) as I go along. I did get those replacement print hammers from Western Numeric Control. They are $2.50 each and just slip around the groove on the bar face. I didn't know there was a groove there because my old pad was clogging it. I wasn't experiencing any problems with the sticky foot, but I do like to use the proper parts when available. Speaking of proper parts, I got some of the gear grease on me from the helical-cut gears by the motor. I take it that these gears take a graphite-bearing grease or something similar. It certainly isn't axle or lithium grease. Any ideas? TIA, -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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two questions

by aek＠spies.com

"Two questions about old machines I saw; don't know if there are chances to get any of them. Solbourne 700. With some surfing I got the impression it is a 4 way SMP running SunOs 4.1.x. Saw this machine only in a photo that a friend of a friend took. " Tom Dowdy has a nice page on Solbournes at http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~dowdy/Solbourne/Solbourne.html They aren't bad machines (other than being prone to overheating). We just retired our last Series 6 machine at spies.com about two months ago. They are SPARC based (either Cypress (series 5) or TI SuperSPARC (series 6)) but the hardware is completely unique (they have their own main bus with VME for expansion) If someone in the Bay Area has a use for them, and would make me a resonable offer, I have a lot of series 5 and 6 spare boards.

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***Load details part 1***

by aek＠spies.com

"Funniest part: I loaded the trucks sooo heavy that every time I turned the corner the back bottomed out and ground down the tires. The border did not stop the trucks... let me through without taxes. " Would it make sense to find people near these locations and store the stuff near where it is coming from, or find some cheap warehouse space? All of this sounds like more than one person's worth of work to me...

26 years, 6 months

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Classic Computer Collection web site

by LFessen106＠aol.com

Please check out my web site for info on my collection and computer collecting in general. The URL is: http://members.aol.com/lfessen106/8-bits.htm I would also appreciate any tips, tricks or tidbits of information you may have for collecting, refurbishing, repairing, and using old computers. I would like to build a helpful page for our hobby. -Linc.

26 years, 6 months

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***Load details part 1***

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 12:13 PM Subject: Re: ***Load details part 1*** >"Funniest part: I loaded the trucks sooo heavy that every time I turned the >corner the back bottomed out and ground down the tires. The border did not >stop the trucks... let me through without taxes. >" > >Would it make sense to find people near these locations and store the stuff >near where it is coming from, or find some cheap warehouse space? > Most of the stuff is new. I had *no* idea what was there. I thought maybe 20 racks...I made the deal on the phone without ever seeing the stuff. Even the DEC guy had no idea what was there. I had the help of three others and we all got beaten. I was told I could pick and chose but gave up and decided to take everything - and that was much appreciated. I quickly went out and rented more large 1-way trucks and we loaded them all -didn't even make a dent in the place. I got back to TO with no idea where to put it. I know the owners of a large apartment building here and rented the largest apartment they had and rented it. My Dad donated the bottom floor of his home and I filled storage units. I am trying to arrange for a large warehouse now. >All of this sounds like more than one person's worth of work to me... > It is... My dad is 60 and almost had a heart attack. I had the flu going down there. The DEC guy (who has a lot of experience with DEC stuff from '68-90) was completely exhausted. He laughed at me when he heard I wanted the TU56 drives.. he called them pure junk and really dislikes them. I don't know what to expect next there.. visibility is only about 3 feet and I have a long way to go... somehow I think there is a lot more than 14,000 pounds of DEC stuff left there.... I am feeling a bit better today and hope to fire up one of those 11/20s. john

26 years, 6 months

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Floppy drives for uVAX II; TRW Swap

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Greetingz classiccmpistas.. I am in the market for a floppy drive for the MicroVax II... the machine I wish to add to has a TK50 and an RD54 (I think) and a Cipher 880 looking like a TS11. Even if there are aftermarket units existing, I would still like to get a DEC unit. I saw one on a nice uVax at one of the recent TRW swaps here in SoCal, but its custodian wanted $300 for the chassis and was rather offended when I suggested that he had got the decimal point shifted one decade to the right.. ;o Is anything other than the physical drive needed? Cards? Cables? Drivers? VouDou/Santeria rites?.. (and if so, a good source for live chickens in the LA area...?) AND>>>> The last, very last TRW Swap Meet of the 1900's will be held on Saturday, the 25th December, 1999, from 7:30am -> 11:00am PST. PLEASE NOTE: that the venue has shifted slightly, and not just due to PacRim plate tectonics. The previous lot has been sold, and the New Venue instructions follow.... From the 405 (San Diego) freeway, take the Rosecrans exit west. Travel west on Rosecrans approximately one mile to Aviation. Turn left (south) on Aviation [under the curved Metrolink train bridge] and proceed south on Aviation. Continue south another mile until you pass the intersection of Marine Avenue. Continue south past Marine, and the Swap Meet will be on your left. It is now in the SouthEast quadrant of the intersection of Aviation and Marine. PREVIOUSLY it was in the NorthWest quadrant. I have spaces G22 and G24. If you are in the nieghborhood, drop by and check it out. This coming Saturday most likely will not be the most populous, but then again... the hardcore swappers will be there, and Bah: Humbug!! to those with 'other' priorities. Cheers and Best of the Season HoHOhO

26 years, 6 months

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Available: HP1000 pocket guides

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Here's something I'm willing to ship. I've turned up three HP1000 pocket guides. These are small blue plastic binders that seem to have quite a wealth of info on the HP1000's inside (they're about 1.5 inches thick). $5.00 each + $3.20 priority mail = $8.20 each. If you're local, you can come and pick one up for $5 even. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

26 years, 6 months

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ID this light pen

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > At 05:44 PM 12/16/99 -0800, you wrote: > >> Can anyone id this light pen? > >> "http://www.intellistar.net/~rigdonj/misc/lpen.jpg". It looks like it was > >> built into the body of a standard ink pen. The components on the circuit > >> board are covered with a black tar looking substance giving the board a > >> bumpy look. There is a male card edge connector sticking out of the > >> reverse side on the circuit board. > >Hmm, would that plug into the side of an Amiga 500 or what? Wierd. No. Wrong number of pins. This device has 40. > I *think* I remember seeing one like this on a Commodore Pet but I'm not > sure. That was a long time ago. Does the Pet have a card edge connector or > socket? All PETs have a user port on the back that's an card edge. Original, static RAM models have a card edge connector for memory expansion. Later models had a pair of 40-pin pin connectors. Given the apparent 0.1" spacing on this device and the number of pins, I'd suspect that it's a TRS-80 device. I don't think it attaches to a Commodore of any vintage. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

26 years, 6 months

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Boot ROMS Needed

by oliv555＠arrl.net

I am in need of the RX01(753A9) and RK05(756A9) roms for the M9312 boot/term board. Can trade any of my "extra" roms, RL:(751A9), RX02(811A9), DP:/DB:(755A9), or MM:(757A9). I can probably also be talked into attaching one of my spare M9312's to any of said roms to make this trade. Thanks. Nick

26 years, 6 months

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Free stuff - my family needs more room

by mike＠delos.rain.com

Here's a brief list of stuff that needs to go, free to anyone willing to haul it away: (2) Sun 386i - case only, includes power supply. These look similar to a mid-size tower PC case. (2) ADDS terminals. These things are huge, but I believe they work. MAG PC monitor, 14 or 15". No high voltage. Assorted WYSE terminals for parts. If nobody wants this stuff it will probably end up in the garbage very soon (except for the ADDS terminals, which will go to Goodwill if they will accept them). I live in Aloha Oregon, which is a suburb of Portland. ----------------------------------------------------- Mike Newman INTERNET: mike(a)delos.rain.com Aloha, Oregon USA -or- mike.w.newman(a)gte.net http://home1.gte.net/res003ki/index.htm -----------------------------------------------------

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Please help me clean out!

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Fellow CLASSICCMP'ers, I need help cleaning out, and I DON'T want to ship anything this time, so this will be LOCAL PICKUP ONLY from Kent, WA (southeast of Seattle). I'm not going to set fixed prices on anything because I would far rather see it get put to use than sit on it until someone offers me something. What I will say is that if you find something you like, and you feel like making some sort of contribution, that's fine. If not, that's still OK. Translation: Freebies with a donation can set up nearby. ;-) With that in mind, here's a (mostly complete) list of what I want to get rid of. FAIR WARNING: If this stuff fails to move within the next month or so, I'm going to drop it at whatever local metal recycler will take it, and/or rent a dumpster from the local landfill. I hate to do that, but I'm out of room, dang it! I need to MOVE this stuff! THE LIST Three DSD-880's with multiple manuals and diagnostic disks. Also included is a DEC-produced VHS training video on how to service the beasties, and at least one each of UniBus and Q-bus controllers for them (I say at least because I'm not sure how many of each I have). I will also include rack slides for the lot. A Fujitsu 'Super Eagle' SMD hard drive. Big rackmount beastie, spins up, comes ready, runs wonderfully quiet for its size. I've not tested it in-depth, but I see no reason why it should be anything but functional. Includes rack slides (nice aluminum-alloy ball-bearing ones, no less). Two Cipher 880 series front-load 9-track drives. One is a straight Cipher drive, the other is an OEM unit they did for DEC (a TSV05 if I'm not mistaken). I can also throw in at least one Qbus controller card, and at least one set of rack slides. A mid-size box full of 8" floppies with various software, including old versions of RT11. There's also a bunch of misc. DEC manuals. The only rule I'll make on this pile is that if you want any of it, you have to take it all! Two MicroVAX 2000's. One has been set up by me to be a handy formatter for those RD52's and RD54's that you Just Can't Find the Service Diagnostics tape for. I did this by making a special ribbon cable for it that's about twice as long as the original. This next item should be of interest to those who want to do graphics on the MicroVAX II and III: I have at least a pair of complete VCB02 graphics subsystems. This means two each of the controller boards, four each of the 4-plane color boards, two BIG 19" RGB monitors, cabling, keyboards, and 'hockey-puck' style electronic rodents. While not exactly computer-related, there might be some of you who have wanted to install an old 1A2 key telephone system in your place. Well, here's your chance! I have a Western Electric 551 series "shoebox" key service unit and some line cards to go along with it. You can route up to four lines through this beastie: All you need are some 25-pair cables and some keysets to go with it. I'll also be getting rid of a pair of rackmount SCSI drive enclosures. These are nice ones made by Control Data. The drives mount in special trays which then slide in the front (they hold two drives each) of the enclosures, and there are thumbwheel switches on the backside to select SCSI ID for each position. There may be some other bits and pieces that I'll find in the process of cleaning out, but that's the bulk of it. If you're interested in anything, please drop me an E-mail note and we'll set up a meeting. Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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***Load details part 1***

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

Okay... I am still in extreme pain (a nail went into my head at this site, not to mention other damage from being squashed by some stuff) but here goes an attempt to list what's on the first truck (I still have at least 3 more shipments to do): Hardware: PDP-1 software, 40 trays, all the DECUS stuff too, I expect a new or near completed PDP-1 as we get through the building Classic-8 rack mounted, looks new. -Already spoken for ... I promised this to a friend a few years ago.. I will get more of them.. I hope. PDP-16 PDP-11/20 (new) PDP11/15 (new) PDP8/L (2), 1 new and one with 12K core [mem expansion] PDT-11/130 new in box PDP-11/35 one new, 3 others in racks RK05s,06s,07s TS02s,TS03s PDP-11/05 (3) , and 2 "Industrial 11s - blue panel" (9+) ME-11 core memory expanders - all 24K PDP 11/03s RX01s/RX02s (many, many new) 1200 R/W series flip chips boards PDP-8/S parts (was damaged in flood in 1969) (4+) TU56s, some new TU56 prototype spare new unibus boards (700+) spare new CPU boards (a few hundred) expanders filled with >????? (10+) new backplanes/font panels for PDP-8Ls,PDP-11s,LSIs, peripherals.. etc.. lp25 band printer (cool!) various stands and racks used in pictures in DEC photos PC05s, etc... TC11 TC01 RK05 track writer and exerciser (cool) I know there is a lot more but I can't think of it right now.... Manuals (extensive... far beyond what I imagined): Microfiche for every device, peripheral, board made by digital from 1965 to 1978 (mostly PDP-8,PDP11,LSI but I did find a box full labeled PDP-10) 15 boxes of PDP-8 manuals for everything you could think of including the 338 display too many boxes to count of PDP11 CPU/Peripheral manuals Every DEC handbook ever made Internal DEC manuals "DEC Tips" and training material for the 8/s,8/I,8/e,etc... DEC module bible -1984 :-))))))) , in print and disk, and tape.. sweet.. every module in order with description and unit installed in... Software: 234 trays of PDP-11 paper tape software 40 trays of PDP-8 paper tape software a few hundred mag tapes 96 dectapes (both 8/11) hundreds of floppy disks [I have told that I will have every version of every piece of software both in beta and released in every format PT,dectape,magtape,rx01,rx02.. I still have a huge room to clean out filled with RSTS,RSX,and RT11, OS/8] 65 RK05 packs, both PDP8,and 11, LSI Tools: Extenders KM11s dual KM11 extenders serial handheld tools ?? portable microfiche readers calipers and gauges too many things to list.... Upgrade kits and spares Many TU56 parts (new wheels, etc) Printer parts from hell. disk/tape cleaning kits, new heads,filters, etc... Coolest stuff (stuff I will keep): TC11 new TU56s LP25 :-) microfiche (even PDP-8 schematics, schematics for every module made in order >from A-series to Z) :-) Stuff I saw but have to pull out next trip: 300 more boxes of manuals 200+ boxes of software PDP-11/35s PDP-11/05s PDP11/20s PDP-11/34s (all old style) PDP-11/03s (all with RX02s) LA30 Decwriter everything..... VT100s 20+ and.... there is the "unknown" building where everything PDP-11/20 and before went... I will try and clean a path to it next.. I looked through a window [visibility is 3 feet] and saw a bunch of R-series backplanes, 11/20s, 11/15s, and what looks to be more PDP-8Ls. (again.. stacked 10 feet high) How I got the nail in my head? I spoke to an old DEC at the warehouse.. He told me they stacked old pre PDP-8 stuff (light) in the rafters... I climbed up and saw out of the corner of my eye a box labeled "R107"... thinking about my PDP-8/S I dove for it... only to have a nail take a chunk out of me... while recovering on very *weak* beams I dropped down a 1100 flip chips and the PDP-1 software. There is still alot left up there but I was in a lot of pain and the trucks were full. 19 hours to load (two days), 12 hours to unload... A lot of this stuff will be for sale/trade. An inventory is almost impossible as I expect a few thousand UNIBUS boards, a few thousand flip chips, at least 300 core memory boards, now, at least 75 minis, manuals, paper tape when done. I don't know what I am going to do yet. [I did not expect this].. Maybe a super Keyways???. I did rent the largest apartment I could find and filled it. I also have two storage units filled and my lab. AT&T gave me the bottom floor of one of their buildings to use but.... [you'll never guess].. it's filled with MicroVAX's and PDPs from a company they bought out a little while ago... I get that stuff next month. Funniest part: I loaded the trucks sooo heavy that every time I turned the corner the back bottomed out and ground down the tires. The border did not stop the trucks... let me through without taxes. I will try and put up picture in the next day or so on my site... I am really sick right now and am trying to recover for XMAS. OHH, by the way.. I got a call today and have a warehouse to go to that has a ton of HP-2 stuff, software, manuals, boards, and wang tube stuff, also...???? Sad part is I doubt I will be able to find any more *cool* stuff after march.. Most of this was scheduled to go to the dump in March and most companies are pitching anything non-Y2K complaint over the next 3 months. john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com

26 years, 6 months

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Who invented the first "clamshell" laptop?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:36 AM 12/21/99 GMT, you wrote: >Who (by company, that is) invented the first "clamshell" laptop? I am >tempted to believe it is either GRiD or Zenith Data Systems that introduced >this style, but if I had to, I'd lay my money on GRiD. Take the money and run. GRiD Compass: 1982 (Sometime in the fall) Sharp PC-5000: 1983 (March) Gavilan: 1983 (March or April) TRS-80 m100: 1983 TRS-80 m200: 1985? I don't know what Zenith's first clamshell was, but I'm pretty sure it was much later on. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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A trick (Was: Re: Please help me clean out!)

by wsmith＠gj.com

>I call UPS and have them make a one time pickup. They say that it costs >$5 extra but I've compared the cost of that and taking it to their drop off >counter and it's almost always cheaper to have them come get it. No idea >why unless there's some hidden charges involved in dropping it off. The UPS ship rate is higher at the counter than it is for pick-up. It costs $4-5 more to ship a 50 lb. package cross country from the counter than it does for a pick-up. That about offsets the pick-up fee. Isn't as favorable for lighter packages, obviously. -W

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Who invented the first "clamshell" laptop?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

well, the lcd screen for the //c only sits on top of the computer and does not fold down and is not integral with the rest of the computer so it really doesnt apply. I think the time zone was 1984 or thereabouts. In a message dated 12/21/99 8:30:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, jim(a)calico.litterbox.com writes: > I would have said Apple, with the LCD screen that went on the Apple 2 C. > But I think that was after 1982. > > > > > At 12:36 AM 12/21/99 GMT, you wrote: > > >Who (by company, that is) invented the first "clamshell" laptop? I am > > >tempted to believe it is either GRiD or Zenith Data Systems that > introduced > > >this style, but if I had to, I'd lay my money on GRiD. > > > > Take the money and run. > > > > GRiD Compass: 1982 (Sometime in the fall) > > Sharp PC-5000: 1983 (March) > > Gavilan: 1983 (March or April) > > TRS-80 m100: 1983 > > TRS-80 m200: 1985? > > > > I don't know what Zenith's first clamshell was, but I'm pretty sure it was > > much later on. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > > > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > > roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." > > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > > San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ > > > > > -- > Jim Strickland > jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > BeOS Powered! DB Young coming in 2000: my new site at www.nothingtodo.org ! --> this message printed on recycled disk space view the computers of yesteryear at http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm (now accepting donations!)

26 years, 6 months

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IBM 360/370 emulation?

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 10:46 PM 12/21/1999 -0000, you wrote: >I ordered some manuals >from them about two months ago, including the 360 Principles of Operation, >the 360/30 Functional Characteristics, and the 360/67 Functional >Characteristics. I remember reading the 360 manuals 25 years ago. Are the manuals you recently received still in that lovely line printer + ASCII graphics motif? Lance. Lance Costanzo http://www.webhighrise.com System Administrator Website and Virtual Domain Hosting lance(a)costanzo.net starting at $5/month, no setup fees

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Who invented the first "clamshell" laptop?

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

Just a little trivia question I thought I'd ask everybody, here it is: Who (by company, that is) invented the first "clamshell" laptop? I am tempted to believe it is either GRiD or Zenith Data Systems that introduced this style, but if I had to, I'd lay my money on GRiD. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Olympia Olytext 20 OS question.

by daleapple＠jps.net

-----Original Message----- From: Dwight Elvey <elvey(a)hal.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Olympia Olytext 20 OS question. >"Ernest" <ernestls(a)home.com> wrote: >> Hi Don. I may be able to get a copy of CP/M-80 but it won't be for my >> specific system. That's the problem. I don't have the OS for it. That's why >> I was curious about how difficult it would be to set up a generic copy of >> CP/M to run on it. I've never assembled (?) CP/M for a computer, but I've >> been reading a how to on doing it, and interested in giving it a shot. I'm >> not even sure of how to load/run the system monitor to ID the various >> address' but the thing is, as with anything, there's always a first time, >> and you have to start somewhere. >> > >Hi Ernest > Most of CP/M is generic but the part called BDOS has to >be specifically written to work on your computer. This >part contains both the disk, printer, punch and serial I/O. >The most important are the disk and serial. Usually the >serial is easy because there were only a limited number >of serial chips used. You don't have to make the serial >interrupt driven. It is easier to make it a simple polled >system at first. I've left mine as a polled system because >I see no need to setup serial when I'm the only user. > The disk I/O is a little more difficult. You'll need >to know how the disk interface works. Most of the newer >disk interfaces use one of the Western Digital series >of chips. The reading and writing of sectors is relatively >easy. You'll still need to have some understanding of >disk formats and how the sectors are addressed. > If you can find examples of code for the interfaces you >have, 95% of the battle is won. You'll need a way of getting >the code into the memory and then to the disk of your machine >or someone else with a running machine can create the >disk. The IMSAIs have the advantage that they have front >panel switches. The machine may have a ROM based monitor >that can be handy. If not, you'll need another machine >to help boot strap your machine. The other machine doesn't >need to be the same type, it only needs to be able to >write the same disk format. > I brought an old IMSAI back to life by doing a BDOS for >it. It had an AY-3-1015 serial chip that was typical >of the older machines. These are generally easy to work >with since there is no software initialization ( other >than clearing power up trash ) that needs to be done. >The 8251 and 8250 type parts require initialization >but they are also more versatile. The disk interface, on >my machine, was an early TTL interface that had DMA to the >machines memory. This took me quite a while to figure out >and it wasn't until I found a schematic that I was able to >figure it out ( it also was broken ). Luckily for you, most >of the newer interfaces use standard chips and are easier to >deal with. In many cases, you can make progress without >schematics and only the chip manufactures spec sheet. > It is also possible that many of the functions you need >are already in ROMs on your machine. >Dwight > >

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An odd request...

by daleapple＠jps.net

I am trying to unsuscribe to your classiccmp. How do I do that? Thanks, Dale Applegate -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 11:42 AM Subject: Re: An odd request... >> >> I just had a kind of odd request. >> >> This one's for the Apple gurus on the list: Is it at all possible, through >> hardware, software, or 'other,' to read 5.25" floppies written on an Apple >> IIe on a PC? > >Yes, it's possible, because all things are possible :-) >But it's not easy. The PC disk controller is physcially incapable of >reading the GCR encoding on an Apple ][ disk. So you _can't_ simply use >software to read the disks. > >There are/were accessory controller boards for the PC that connected >between the normal controller and the floppy drive. These controllers >could then handle the Apple GCR data. There were also Apple ][ emulator >cards for the PC (basically a complete Apple ][ on an ISA card) that did >the same sort of thing. No idea where you'd find these (for sale -- >people on this list have them but are hanging on to them) these days. > >You could always use an Apple ][ + its native disk controller and link it >to a PC using either a serial (easier) or parallel link. > >-tony > >

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PDP-10 Software Archive now on-line

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com wrote: > I'm pleased to announce that I've finally organized the PDP-10 > related material in my posession and put it on-line. At > > http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ Cool. Thanks. > I'm open to comments, suggestions, criticism, etc., on the layout > of the archives and how they are presented over the web. Fire away! > And if anyone has any material to add to the archives, I'm willing > to do whatever it takes to preserve this software. Suppose I have this account on an XKL-10. Now suppose I want to transfer some freeware off of it. How do I preserve the 36-bitness with ftp? Do I just use binary mode for executables and TENEX mode for text? I only ever got to dabble with the DEC-20 at OSU before it was gone. I was never a whiz with it. Perhaps there's a FAQ for TOPS out there? -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

26 years, 6 months

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PDP-10 Software Archive now on-line

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

I'm pleased to announce that I've finally organized the PDP-10 related material in my posession and put it on-line. At http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ you will find several hundred megabytes of TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 tape images (largely from Megan Gentry's efforts at rescuing several KS10's in Cambridge earlier this year), individual files extracted from those tapes, and several hundred megabytes of DECUS TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 freeware. You will also find, interspersed among the contents of that page, numerous plugs for me and my capabilities to archive digital media for the future, and my absolute dedication to exact tape images. The TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 material is provided to aid those folks who have accepted the terms of the 36-bit Hobbyist license in fulfilling their responsibilities as outlined in section 3.1 of that agreement. Please see the full text of the license at the above URL. I'm open to comments, suggestions, criticism, etc., on the layout of the archives and how they are presented over the web. Fire away! And if anyone has any material to add to the archives, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to preserve this software. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Vintage Computers IBM 5155 Portable (fwd)

by siconic＠jasmine.psyber.com

Can anyone help this lady out? Please reply to: CABOCEAN(a)aol.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:18:51 EST From: CABOCEAN(a)aol.com Subject: Vintage Computers IBM 5155 Portable Hello, I am seeking software/hardware and a manual for this computer. I gave the computer to my Dad with the accompanying Smith Corona Typewriter and he is having a great time with it? Help, guidance and suggestions would be appreciated. Thank You, Claire Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF East? VCF Europe!? YOU BETCHA!! Stay tuned for more information or contact me to find out how you can participate http://www.vintage.org

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MicroVAX 3100 update

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

John, Yes, the terminal is set up exactly the way the MicroVAX 3100 manual said to set it up, 9600, 8-n-1, I believe.. I can hear the disk spin up. I can hammer away on the keyboard all I want and the terminal never reads more than that gibberish... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years, 6 months

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Indus GT problem.

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

I am having a problem with my Indus GT disk drive that is conntected to my Commodore 64C. I have already cheked the obvious (plugged in, turned on, etc.), but it still refuses to power up. Is there a fuse somewhere that needs to be replaced? Or is it just the power supply? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years, 6 months

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work slate wk100 (fwd)

by siconic＠jasmine.psyber.com

Can someone help this guy out? Please reply to: RABIHfromPA1924(a)webtv.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 21:56:08 -0500 (EST) From: Rabih Albaki <RABIHfromPA1924(a)webtv.net> To: vending(a)siconic.com Subject: work slate wk100 If it is possible, Iam looking for the peripheral 8 pin modular plug to buy for that unit at any cost to me. Iam looking foreward to hearing from you. Thak you sincerely. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF East? VCF Europe!? YOU BETCHA!! Stay tuned for more information or contact me to find out how you can participate http://www.vintage.org

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Floppy drives for uVAX II

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Doesn't the RX33 require a higher rev. of the RQDX3 than is normally >available? ISTR, that I've got a whole pile of RQDX3's, but only one of >which is capable of driving a RX33. It depends on what value of "normal" you have :-). Only the very oldest RQDX3's won't drive a RX33, but for some reason these tend to be very common in collections of scrounged RQDX3's! >OTOH, Tim's comment about the 3rd Party controller I suspect just did me a >big favor with the MV3 that I'm currently working on. Hmm - I think that instead of attributing that to my profound insight, it should instead get chalked up to dumb luck, because I don't have the slightest idea what favor I just did for you :-) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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An odd request...

by aek＠spies.com

"Oddly enough the only 5.25 drive for a mac I know of only reads PC formats. correct. it used a nubus card with a 756 controller on it to allow people to read DOS discs on nubus macs. the AII compatibility card for LC's allowed for external discs, though, but >from memory I don't recall any way to use it as a disc controller on the mac side.

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FW: My oddball request

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Attached is the E-mail I got from the fellow who needs those Apple IIe disks read. Given the situation (I don't have the hardware), and that he may be interested in joining our ranks (my assumption), I'm just going to forward his note here and let those who can help contact him directly. He'd probably be willing to pay at least a small fee, though I probably would have handled such a simple request at no charge if I'd had the MatchPoint stuff. Thanks much. -=-=- <break> -=-=- From: Joe Nunnelley <Joe-Nunnelley(a)stlabs.com> To: "'sales(a)bluefeathertech.com'" <sales(a)bluefeathertech.com> Subject: Request for a quote for data conversion Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:43:53 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hello, I would like to get a quote for converting data from an older format to either a hard copy or to a PC compatible ASCII format on disk. The Item: Two 5 1/4 inch floppy disks with text documents stored by an Apple II e computer (circa 1983). These text documents were created using a word processing software called "Zardax" (Zardax 6.0 to be more specific). I have the Zardax program and The Diskware DOS 3.3 from Apple (both on 5 1/4 inch floppies). I am searching for someone who has an Apple II e and who can move the data >from the disk to another format (paper or PC formatted and ASCII text document.). Please let me know if this is something your organization would be able to do, and if so, how much it would cost. Regards, Joe Nunnelley -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Floppy drives for uVAX II; TRW Swap

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> Greetingz classiccmpistas.. I am in the market for a floppy drive >for the MicroVax II... the machine I wish to add to has a TK50 and >an RD54 (I think) and a Cipher 880 looking like a TS11. > > Even if there are aftermarket units existing, I would still like to >get a DEC unit. I saw one on a nice uVax at one of the recent TRW >swaps here in SoCal, but its custodian wanted $300 for the chassis >and was rather offended when I suggested that he had got the decimal >point shifted one decade to the right.. ;o You'll have to be more specific about what sort of floppy drive that you want to hook up. 8 inch? If so, RX01 or RX02? In this case you'll also need a RXV211 or clone controller in the Q-Bus backplane. 5.25 inch? If so, RX33 or RX50? In these cases you'll just attach to the existing RQDX3/breakout box. 3.5 inch? If so, you'll need a third-party Q-bus controller to run the drive, unless you get your hands on a prototype RQDX4 :-) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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"DB9"

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>> The spacing between pins along a row is I think 0.1 inches. The spacing between > > You have some strange D connectors there (at least for Normal Density > ones). Try holding a piece of stripboard or an IC against one. The pins > do _not_ line up (just tried it). The D-pin spacing (normal DB25 is the > one I had to hand) is larger than 0.1". As is the row spacing, which > seems to be the same as the pin spacing in a row. I stand corrected. A slightly more accurate measurement gives pins within a row at 2.75+/-0.01 mm, between rows 3.00+/-0.10 mm (the latter more likely to be less than more). My mistake arose because the row of 13 pins on a DB25 measures almost exactly 1.3 inches, pin centre to pin centre. How could I do such a thing? There really is no excuse! Philip. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. Power Technology Centre, Ratcliffe-on-Soar, Nottingham, NG11 0EE, UK Tel: +44 (0)115 936 2000 http://www.powertech.co.uk **********************************************************************

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Now I've seen everything]

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Picked up a LQPX2-SW tonight; its a 2-port 25-pin serial A/B switchbox with the d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo on it, made out of shiny "burnished" stainless steel. I didnt know they even made their own switchboxes! Bill -- +-----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+ |Bill Bradford | mrbill(a)pdp11.org | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | |http://www.sunhelp.org | http://www.pdp11.org | http://www.mrbill.net| +-----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+

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Price question.

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

Does anybody know what is the asking price for a GRiD PalmPad (XT class)? I am thinking about getting one of these one of these days. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Now I've seen everything]

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Picked up a LQPX2-SW tonight; its a 2-port 25-pin serial A/B switchbox <with the d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo on it, made out of shiny "burnished" stainless <steel. < <I didnt know they even made their own switchboxes! They did 40,000 items of one sort or another. LQP02 switchboxes were one. FYI: it's aluminum I have two. I use them to make small radios and the like as it's a handy size, they are like flies and were often seen on DECmates and PROs so you could do draft on a LA50 (dotmatrix) and LQ on a real LQ! Allison Allison

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An odd request...

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

You might be right and maybe the Mac will only read Apple II formatted 3.5" diskettes and I might have been thinking of hooking up a real Apple II 5.25" drive to an Apple IIe card in an LC or something.. Apologies for any inaccuracies :) -Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net)

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Need information.

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/20/1999 3:49:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, netsurfer_x1(a)hotmail.com writes: > anufacturer: Computype, Inc. > Model: Compuedit > Year: 1981 (?) > It is the front end computer to a dedicated typesetter in the early 80s. Paxton

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MicroVAX 3100 update

by allisonp＠world.std.com

John, <Yes, the terminal is set up exactly the way the MicroVAX 3100 manual said t <set it up, 9600, 8-n-1, I believe.. I can hear the disk spin up. I can <hammer away on the keyboard all I want and the terminal never reads more <than that gibberish... Your pinout (connections) are munged. I'll bet you used pin1 from the terminal(protective ground) instead of pin7 (signal) ground. Allison

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An odd request...

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

Unfortunently, I think it's impossible, as Apple disks used a totally different recording format than PC disks do/did. AFAIK, the only alternatives are an original Apple box or a Mac decked out with the Apple 5.25" drive. -Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net)

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FSOT: AT&T 3B2 400

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I have a pair of 3B2 400s that need to find a new home. I also have a large stack of manuals for them. Located in central Florida. Best offer plus shipping. Joe

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An odd request...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/20/99 9:19:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com writes: > I just had a kind of odd request. > > This one's for the Apple gurus on the list: Is it at all possible, through > hardware, software, or 'other,' to read 5.25" floppies written on an Apple > IIe on a PC? This is an all too common question and has been answered before. the only way to do it is to use one of those apple // emulation cards in a pc, such as a trackstar card. DB Young coming in 2000: my new site at www.nothingtodo.org ! --> this message printed on recycled disk space view the computers of yesteryear at http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm (now accepting donations!)

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An odd request...

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> I just had a kind of odd request. > > This one's for the Apple gurus on the list: Is it at all possible, through >hardware, software, or 'other,' to read 5.25" floppies written on an Apple >IIe on a PC? Yes. Two ways: 1. Use a specialized "free-format" floppy disk controller in a PC-clone. Typically requires a non-negligible $ and time investment. 2. Hook an Apple ][ with disk drive to the "output target" system via a serial cable. Really, the best way to do this (and I've been doing this for a few decades now!) is #2 - the best Apple ][ floppy disk controller for a PC *is* an Apple ][! > Taking that one step further: Has anyone heard of the word processing >program 'Zardax,' and if so, do you know if it's possible to convert its >files to a more common format? Sure, it's largely flat ASCII with some escape codes thrown in (and, IIRC, it has the high bit set through most of the text, very reminiscent of Pr1me text files.) Image the floppy, dump the files, no big deal. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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uVAX serial "dongle"

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Dann Lunsford <dann(a)greycat.com> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 07:26:29PM -0500, Allison J Parent wrote: > > <You did, but you also spoke up first (at least as far as I can tell). If > > <it's not a problem, I do want it. > > < > > <-ethan > > > > I repeat, _IF_ someone else didn't want it. There is no, I'm first in > > that. ;) > > > > By all means claim it. I just didn't want a useful item like that to go > > to waste. Thank you, Allison. > Heh. Didn't mean to start a food fight :-). Ethan, send me your shipping > addy... I'll send it under a private cover. Thanks. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

26 years, 6 months

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Very Wierd someone is masquarading as the mail list?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Has anyone gotten a eMail message that appears to have come from the mailing list with the header "Re: Help identify a Control Data piece", when in reality it looks to have come from "helpdesk-pc.pittstate.edu [198.248.209.153]" if I'm reading the headers right. Included in the message was a Windows executable that is supposedly a recent animation from the site their advertising. Somehow I suspect a Trojan Horse, but doens't really matter I'm using Eudora on a Mac. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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PDP-11/84s available in San Diego

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I'm not in San Diego, but I got Andy's permission to forward this to the list in case anybody IS there (or willing to go there) and rescue these machines... Bill ----- Forwarded message from Andy Bustamante <ACBustamante(a)earthlink.net> ----- Reply-To: <ACBustamante(a)earthlink.net> From: "Andy Bustamante" <ACBustamante(a)earthlink.net> To: <mrbill(a)mrbill.net> Subject: Re: announcing pdp11.org Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 00:28:05 -0800 Where are you? I have PDP 11/84's in San Diego waiting to be either scrapped or sold for parts. You'll have to come get them. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- +-----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+ |Bill Bradford | mrbill(a)pdp11.org | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | |http://www.sunhelp.org | http://www.pdp11.org | http://www.mrbill.net| +-----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+

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uVAX serial "dongle"

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<You did, but you also spoke up first (at least as far as I can tell). If <it's not a problem, I do want it. < <-ethan I repeat, _IF_ someone else didn't want it. There is no, I'm first in that. ;) By all means claim it. I just didn't want a useful item like that to go to waste. Allison

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Who invented the first "clamshell" laptop?

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

Hmm.. I agree with you, either Zenith or Grid, but I think it might have actually been Zenith... or so I think i remember seeing once :) -Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net)

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