- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>>A properly functioning TK50 should be able to load and eject tapes >>even if not plugged into a controller. >That's good to know. When powered up the green light on the left goes on >and the red button/light doesn't do anything. I took the bronze cover off >and the tape is attached to the leader grabber thingy but hasn't yet made a >wrap around the hub. Has leader been pulled out of the cartridge at all? If not, then you can just nudge the door-unlock solenoid (on the right side of the drive near the front) and pull the cartridge out. If the leader *has* been pulled out of the cartridge, trying to do this will leave you with a big mess. >push it again to leave it out and nothing seemed to happen. To be honest >though if it blinked for just a second i wouldn't have seen it. I'm going >to look carefully at the capstan roller to see if it is turnable. If it's not trying to move the tape at all, I don't think it's the capstan roller. One question that's vitally important right here: is this an important tape stuck in the drive, or a scratch tape? -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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how do I decode 157.55.85.212 to a url?

by barry＠dobyns.com

Most of the following is at the command prompt of the nearest Unix/Linux/NetBSD box) First you ping it to see if it's really there: [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ ping -c 100 157.55.85.212 PING 157.55.85.212 (157.55.85.212): 56 data bytes --- 157.55.85.212 ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ Of course, it's not. so then you try to do reverse DNS on it. [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ nslookup Default Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 > set type=any > 212.85.55.157.in-addr.arpa. Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 *** dobyns.com can't find 212.85.55.157.in-addr.arpa.: Non-existent host/domain > 85.55.157.in-addr.arpa. Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 *** dobyns.com can't find 85.55.157.in-addr.arpa.: Non-existent host/domain > 55.157.in-addr.arpa. Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 *** dobyns.com can't find 55.157.in-addr.arpa.: Non-existent host/domain > 157.in-addr.arpa. Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 in-addr.arpa origin = A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET mail addr = hostmaster.INTERNIC.NET serial = 2000021014 refresh = 1800 (30M) retry = 900 (15M) expire = 604800 (1W) minimum ttl = 86400 (1D) > exit [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ Of course that fails since spammers don't ever have reverse DNS set up right. Then we try a traceroute, to see if we can "get close" and figure out where it's from. [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ !/usr /usr/sbin/traceroute 157.55.85.212 traceroute: Warning: Multiple interfaces found; using 38.253.170.190 @ eth0 traceroute to 157.55.85.212 (157.55.85.212), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 ipr254.dobyns.com (38.253.170.254) 2.776 ms 2.666 ms 2.665 ms 2 38-default-gw.psi.net (38.1.1.1) 153.382 ms 152.071 ms 147.602 ms 3 38.18.19.1 (38.18.19.1) 140.295 ms 141.904 ms 161.680 ms 4 rc8.nw.us.psi.net (38.1.43.8) 149.090 ms 155.449 ms 147.925 ms 5 * rc1.nw.us.psi.net (38.1.23.193) 139.237 ms !H * 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ Which fails miserably, the backbone routers don't even have a path to it. So I try from another box on a different network. This is to make sure that it's not a routing problem at my ISP. Which it sometimes is. [bdobyns@ns1 bdobyns]$ /usr/sbin/traceroute 157.55.85.212 traceroute to 157.55.85.212 (157.55.85.212), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 router.wwg.com (209.24.64.161) 3.232 ms 3.020 ms 3.952 ms 2 hs-2-0-0-96.a03.mtvwca01.us.ra.verio.net (209.24.0.161) 11.312 ms 14.128 ms 11.260 ms 3 * * * 4 * * * 5 * * hs-2-0-0-96.a03.mtvwca01.us.ra.verio.net (209.24.0.161) 12.440 ms !H 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * Now I believe that it's unroutable. Finaly we go to http://www.arin.net/whois/index.html and use the whois tool with our IP address Microsoft Corporation (NETBLK-MICROSOFT-BBLK) One Microsoft Way Redmond, WA 98052 Netname: MICROSOFT-BBLK Netblock: 157.54.0.0 - 157.60.0.0 Coordinator: Parameshwaran, Krishnan (KP26-ARIN) KrishnaP(a)MICROSOFT.COM (206) 882-8080 Record last updated on 14-Oct-1998. Database last updated on 11-Feb-2000 05:36:03 EDT. Doh! should have done this first. Which is as good as it gets - it's somewhere inside Microsoft. Finally, to translate an URL to an IP address, go back to your *nix command prompt, and dig around. [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ nslookup Default Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 > set type=any > opt-inbroadcasts.net Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 Non-authoritative answer: opt-inbroadcasts.net nameserver = ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net opt-inbroadcasts.net internet address = 208.26.83.110 Authoritative answers can be found from: opt-inbroadcasts.net nameserver = ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net internet address = 63.160.130.115 > server ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net Default Server: ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net Address: 63.160.130.115 > opt-inbroadcasts.net Server: ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net Address: 63.160.130.115 opt-inbroadcasts.net nameserver = ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net opt-inbroadcasts.net origin = opt-inbroadcasts.net mail addr = root.opt-inbroadcasts.net serial = 2000021101 refresh = 300 (5M) retry = 300 (5M) expire = 300 (5M) minimum ttl = 300 (5M) opt-inbroadcasts.net preference = 20, mail exchanger = mail.opt-inbroadcasts.net opt-inbroadcasts.net internet address = 208.26.83.110 opt-inbroadcasts.net nameserver = ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net internet address = 63.160.130.115 > ls opt-inbroadcasts.net [ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net] $ORIGIN opt-inbroadcasts.net. @ 5M IN A 208.26.83.110 ns1 5M IN A 63.160.130.116 ns 5M IN A 63.160.130.115 > exit [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ -b ----- Barry A. Dobyns, barry(a)dobyns.com, http://barry.dobyns.com -----Original Message----- From: allisonp(a)world.std.com <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 10:35 AM Subject: how do I decode 157.55.85.212 to a url? > >I have this URL and I'd like to find their netaddress n.n.n.n, how? > >******http://opt-inbroadcasts.net/remove/remove4.html >Apparently this is a spam gatherer as I got mail with this as the way >to get on their remove list. I suspect it's really a collect list. > >Also while looking around (with arp) I have a few address I don't know >and would like to translate that to a url or domain name. > >Allison > > >

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Running a TK50 "on the bench"

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I have a TK-50 with a tape stuck in it, it is malfunking :-) > >I thought I would put it on my workbench and power it up but that doesn't >seem to leave it with enough smarts to load and eject tapes. Do I have to >hook a TQK50 to it? (I suppose I could bolt a bit of Qbus to a board with >power but I'd rather not if I don't have to.) A properly functioning TK50 should be able to load and eject tapes even if not plugged into a controller. Can you rapidly switch in/out the red light/button for three or so cycles, with the final position being "out" (unload)? What happens when you try this? If *nothing* happens, then there's something seriously wrong (electrically) with this TK50. If it attempts to unload but doesn't quite do it, and ends up with the red button blinking rapidly, then there's probably a mechanical problem, most likely with one of the capstans or the corresponding optical interrupter. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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how do I decode 157.55.85.212 to a url?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Subject: how do I decode 157.55.85.212 to a url? I don't think it is actually routed anywhere, but it's part of a block that belongs to Microsoft according to the ARIN ( http;//www.arin.net/whois/ ): Microsoft Corporation (NETBLK-MICROSOFT-BBLK) One Microsoft Way Redmond, WA 98052 Netname: MICROSOFT-BBLK Netblock: 157.54.0.0 - 157.60.0.0 Coordinator: Parameshwaran, Krishnan (KP26-ARIN) KrishnaP(a)MICROSOFT.COM (206) 882-8080 Record last updated on 14-Oct-1998. Database last updated on 11-Feb-2000 05:36:03 EDT. >I have this URL and I'd like to find their netaddress n.n.n.n, how? >******http://opt-inbroadcasts.net/remove/remove4.html >Apparently this is a spam gatherer as I got mail with this as the way >to get on their remove list. I suspect it's really a collect list. $ mu nslookup opt-inbroadcasts.net Server: LOCALHOST Address: 127.0.0.1 Name: OPT-INBROADCASTS.NET Address: 208.26.83.110 $ whois/host=whois.networksolutions.com opt-inbroadcasts.net Registrant: opt-inbroadcasts.net (OPT-INBROADCASTS2-DOM) 4400 NW 19th Ave Suite B Pompano, FL 33064 US >Also while looking around (with arp) I have a few address I don't know >and would like to translate that to a url or domain name. Doing a reverse nslookup may work, *if* they've got a PTR record and they haven't chosen to purposefully put wrong information in the PTR record. A traceroute may sometimes give useful results if the IP address is actually in the routing tables. If it's not in the routing tables, you may as well pop Elvis into the 8-track and listen to "Return to Sender." -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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FS: HP 7550

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 11, KB9VU(a)aol.com wrote: > HP 7550 plotter. Includes spare pen carousel, pens, three trays and docs. > No software. Trade for Ham Radio gear or sell. Offers? Wow...the 7550 is a beautiful machine! I'd definitely be interested in buying it, but I already have one! :-) -Dave McGuire

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Running a TK50 "on the bench"

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I have a problem with one TK50 that the connector between the motors >and one of the PCBs is flaky. It will load tapes sometimes, but >eventually, the tape goes slack in the drive and won't rewind. In my experience this particular problem is often due to the capstan near the take-up reel side. If the tape gets pulled over the capstan without the capstan actually turning, the TK50 gets confused and thinks that no tape motion is taking place, so it gives up. Check that all the capstans turn nice and freely before assuming the problem is in the electronics. >I would remove the covers and see what state the tape is in. It might be >half-in, half-out, it might be stuck on the leader, indicating a problem >with the optical interrupters as mentioned before. Also, when you get the >tape out, finally, inspect the barb at the end of the takeup leader in the >drive (not the cassette). If it is crimped, you'll get unreliable loading. >If it's missing, you won't get *any* loading. Absolutely - in fact, before loading a TK50 in unknown condition it's always a good idea to make sure the take-up doo-dad is in the correct position and in good shape. Tim.

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Web archive of old Usenet posts

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Several times in the past I've ranted to this list about my hope for a more ancient version of DejaNews, a web archive of old Usenet posts. Below is an e-mail I received from someone who has the start of an archive. He's searching for more volunteers for the project. I think this would be a tremendous resource for classic computer collectors and historians. - John To: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> Subject: Re: Old usenet news? From: Michael Stutz <stutz(a)dsl.org> X-Mailer: MH-E (emacs20) X-Url: http://dsl.org/ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:16:57 -0500 Sender: m(a)dsl.org Been thinking about a potential Usenet archive restoration project lately, how such a project might work. I don't think it's a one-man job -- too many people are probably going to have different ideas on how to store it, availability, interface, etc. This is what I think needs to happen: - there needs to be some kind of public discussion area for the project (like a newsgroup or mailing list) - a repository needs to be put in place, where people can send their archives. any size would probably be good enough to begin with, even a few gigs. hard drives are cheap now and it shouldn't be too difficult for someone to be able to get at least 10gb, which i think should be enough to at least begin assembling some of the old years, and whatever misc. stuff from pre-95 that people have? While I'm very interested in this, I don't have time to oversee or coordinate it. (I assume that you don't, either?) However, I've been assembling what notes I can -- URLs of known archives, addresses of interested people, related threads. I've begun putting all this together in html and plan on putting it on the web, just to make a convergence point for likeminded individuals -- maybe it might provide the impetus for someone else to begin such a project? Or at least get the attention of someone who has a 20gb hard drive on some ftp box at some university or organization somewhere, where some of the old archives could begin to be reassembled? (I'd think such a restoration project would make a great research project for someone, maybe?) As I think I mentioned before, I've got some archives from specific groups, and a lot of old threads and even single articles saved. If there was a coordinator and a system in place (even 1gb to start? or a box with access to a cd-burner or some other removeable media?), I bet a post to slashdot would draw in hundreds of people like me, or more, with their old archives. m P.S. On a related note, I'd like to see an open-source replacement for imdb.com happen, but again it's not a project I can take on right now.

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PR1ME Available

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

Found this in another newsgroup: -------------------------------------------------------------------- We have a Prime 9650 computer available to a good home. This system was under ComputerVision maintenance until they dropped support for the 9650 last July. There are two system cabinets and a half-height tape drive cabinet. Our company was at one time a Prime business partner. This machine was purchased under an agreement that allows us to resell the machine WITH the operating system after a usage period (long past). Stuff that is working 100%: 9650 CPU, 6 mb memory PRIMOS Operating System (32 user?) ICS-II 32 ports Y2K Primos tape set (not installed) (2) 315 MB Disk drives (one nearly "new") 8mm Prime tape drive COBOL Compiler FORMS, MIDASPLUS PRIMELINK, 10 user. Lost of Manuals Additional stuff that doesn't necessarily work: 1/2" reel tape drive 3200 bpi (needs minor work) CDC 496 MB Disk drive and cabinet (crashed probably) 1/4" cartridge tape drive (worked when we unplugged it 5 years ago) Contact: Kevin Davidson QS Technologies kevin(a)qsinc.com <http://www.deja.com/profile.xp?author=kevin@qsinc.com&ST=MS> (864) 232-2666 x 3505 ----------------------------------------------- Sounds like a really cool system. The system is located in Greenville SC and consists of two LARGE cabinets and one smaller one. The whole lot probably weighs 1000+ lbs. As always, reply to the original poster, not me! Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Running a TK50 "on the bench"

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com wrote: > >I have a TK-50 with a tape stuck in it, it is malfunking :-) > > If it attempts to unload but > doesn't quite do it, and ends up with the red button blinking rapidly, > then there's probably a mechanical problem, most likely with one of the > capstans or the corresponding optical interrupter. I have a problem with one TK50 that the connector between the motors and one of the PCBs is flaky. It will load tapes sometimes, but eventually, the tape goes slack in the drive and won't rewind. I've fiddled with it enough that the next time I need to use this particular unit, I'm going to take Allison's advice and solder the motors to the board. I would remove the covers and see what state the tape is in. It might be half-in, half-out, it might be stuck on the leader, indicating a problem with the optical interrupters as mentioned before. Also, when you get the tape out, finally, inspect the barb at the end of the takeup leader in the drive (not the cassette). If it is crimped, you'll get unreliable loading. If it's missing, you won't get *any* loading. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

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Dumpster stories!

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

>>When I was a whelp in Philadelphia, there was a rash of kids suffocating >>in old refrigerators during a big garbage strike one summer. Hide-and-seek > >>You can tell kids all you want, but some are still going to play on the >>train tracks, in old refrigerators, in dumpsters... > >The only thing is this instance that seems to really work is to fine anyone >the puts out a fridge without removing the door hinges. Children by >definition cannot be expected to obey rules, regardless of the rule. > I dunno; it seems to me as though natural selection would take care of the problem better. Any kids dumb enough to get trapped inside a refrigerator don't reproduce, and therefore the defective self-preservation gene doesn't get passed on. Darwin would be proud! Beats the hell out of wrapping the whole world in padding and taking away everything that might possibly kill some moron. Historically, it's been things like rockets, guns, swingsets, mercury switches, fireplaces, and all the really good fireworks that The Establishment has deemed too dangerous for us unwashed masses to play with. Wonder how long until some loser chokes on a mouse ball or strangles himself with the cord while trying to plug in his new business card scanner and mice are required to come with warning labels? Bill Richman incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf microcomputer simulator!)

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FS: HP 7550

by KB9VU＠aol.com

HP 7550 plotter. Includes spare pen carousel, pens, three trays and docs. No software. Trade for Ham Radio gear or sell. Offers? Mike

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My trade list

by rutledge＠cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com

... is up at http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud/trading-stock.html -- _______ http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud (_ | |_) ecloud(a)bigfoot.com finger rutledge(a)cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com __) | | \__________________________________________________________________

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HP 2100 related manuals on ebay

by aek＠spies.com

"I found these manuals on ebay - I already have a copy of all of these, but I thought fellow HP 2100/2114/2115/2116 collectors might find them usefull." I've already scanned in these interface manuals, and am working through a big pile of others right now.

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Running a TK50 "on the bench"

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I have a TK-50 with a tape stuck in it, it is malfunking :-) I thought I would put it on my workbench and power it up but that doesn't seem to leave it with enough smarts to load and eject tapes. Do I have to hook a TQK50 to it? (I suppose I could bolt a bit of Qbus to a board with power but I'd rather not if I don't have to.) Is there a jumper/testpoint I can change to put it into "local loop" mode? --Chuck

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Old RSTS-11 Freeware library now online

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

With the help of many fellow archivists, I've pieced together the first hundred or so DECUS RSTS-11 library entries to form a neat web-accessible archive. These RSTS-11 library entries date from the early to mid 1970's, and were originally distributed by DECUS on punched tape and DECTape. Perhaps the most recognizable of the entries are RSTS-11-13 and RSTS-11-14, collections of Basic programs from David Ahl that became the basis of the famous _101 Basic Computer Games_. Here you get to see the source code in its original RSTS-11 Basic form, from an era before Bill Gates and company began writing their first Basic interpreter. These RSTS-11 archives are available over the web at http://pdp-11.trailing-edge.com/rsts11/ As I sort the thousands of megabytes of RT-11, RSX-11, RSTS/E, and other PDP-11 related material I've got in the collection and index it, I'll announce progress in these newsgroups. If you're interested in joining in with the effort, hearing about works in progress, or making your opinion about the web indices known, you're welcome to join the "pdp-archives" mailing list. Subscribe over the web by visiting http://mudd.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/pdp-archives Enjoy! -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing-Edge WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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My6502 Progress

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<IIRC you're supposed to jumper some variable number of the diodes, dependin <on how much load there is (I think depending on whether you had installed <the extra 9368s/FND503s (?) for the address display option). REALLY cheesy The displays ate 90% of the power. <And the 1802 ran at nowhere near its full speed, because evidently that's <not possible with only a 5V supply. At VCC=VDD=5V the part would run all hte way to 3.2mhz. They claimed at 10V it would 5-6mhz but don't believe it. I have one of the 10V parts and the cmos is so slow that some of the signals come out a full clock behind (and 155ns clock)! Keep in mind CMOS then was silicon gate and something like 6-10micron rules, can you say SLOWWWWW. The SOS (silicon on sapphire) part was a bit better. FYI: people that used the SOS part werent going for fast as it's main appeal was low power (~10mw) and it was RAD hard. Allison

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RX01 Bootstrap Loader

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Like trying to find a needle in a haystack..... Not all *that* hard! >Would anyone know which handbook/manual the RX01 bootstrap loader is in? The RT-11 Installation manual is one place, the RX11 manual is another, any of the "Microcomputer Interfaces" books that has the RXV11, ... >I need to toggle in the RX01 bootstrap into a PDP-11/20 with 4K config. You could just, say, go to ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/bootstra… and fetch "rx01_boot.txt". What are you going to try to boot in just 4K, BTW? I'm scratching my head to figure out if even RT-11 V2 fit in that small a space... -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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My6502 Progress

by rcini＠msn.com

On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:00:47 -0800 (PST), Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> wrote >>With all the recent discussion, I'd like to know what you are using for >>layout software. On my web site, I have a paragraph or two about the EDWin NC package that I'm using. In short, it has everything but the kitchen sink, but is not terribly well integrated and requires too many mouse clicks to get simple tasks done. To be fair, though, my speed seems to be improving with each day that I use it. > Anyway, what I'm going to do is make DXF pictures out of them and post > them to my site for all to see. Comments will be welcomed. >>Cool. I may do it in PDFs instead or in addition to the DXFs. EDWin has a lame printing system, so I'll have to see which one produces the best results. > Once the design is finalized, I'll have a prototype board made so that I > can see if it works. >> >>I'd also be interested in knowing who's burning your prototype and how much >>it runs you. I still have delusions of completing my 1802 SBC. No problem. I'll probably pick someone out of Nuts & Volts or Circuit Cellar. Rich [ Rich Cini [ ClubWin!/CW1 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ <================ reply separator =================> ?

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Nortel modem-terminals/display phones

by rich＠alcor.concordia.ca

Someone moments ago made a reference to old Nortel (well, Northern Telecom, back then) display phones, but I didn't realize what they were referring to until I'd deleted the message :-/ If those are the little black-paneled phones with CRTs and slide-out keyboard drawers, could you give me a model number? I've just realized that that'd make the perfect kitchen terminal, and might keep an eye out for them now, but it's awfully hard to search the 'net for 'nortel display phones' without getting bunches of current stuff. -Rich -- ------------------------------ Rich Lafferty --------------------------- Sysadmin/Programmer, Instructional and Information Technology Services Concordia University, Montreal, QC (514) 848-7625 ------------------------- rich(a)alcor.concordia.ca ----------------------

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Nortel modem-terminals/display phones

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner <spc(a)armigeron.com> wrote: > It was thus said that the Great Shawn T. Rutledge once stated: > > > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 03:59:26PM -0600, Bill Richman wrote: > > > in them. What I've decided to do for terminals around the house > > > is to buy some old 486 laptops with color displays > > > and PCMCIA slots. I have had a similar idea, but for $200, I found a surplussed 486DX4 with 16Mb, a 540Mb disk, two PCMCIA, one ISA, all built into a wall-mountable case with the LCD on the front. There is also an external floppy and an IDE connector (once I've sussed out, the other I've passed on due to the connector). It's ripe for Linux hacking, kinda like a laptop without the battery or keyboard. > Be warned, while you can run Linux with 4M of RAM, installing Linux with > 4M of RAM isn't easy. True. It's also possible to fit ancient Linux distributions onto 40Mb of disk, but my record is 80Mb. > The RedHat install requires 16M of RAM. Ask me if I run RedHat. :-) > The oldest Slackware distribution > I found (3.3) required 8M to do a floppy based install. That sounds about right. > Don't even attempt > to run X if you have less than 16M and even then, you going to have to use > an older window manager like twm or fvwm/fvwm2. Unless you _like_ to swap like mad. I've been playing with Floppy-based Linux boxes, primarily derived from the Linux Router Project. My smallest achievement is a 486SLC board w/8Mb, a multi-I/O card (for parallel), a NIC, no video and a Connectix QuickCam. After the kernel loads, the one script snaps a picture, converts it to a jpeg and ftps it to a spot on my web page. No hard disk. I even found a case the size of an encyclopaedia, thus no room for the video card. Total investment, $25 plus the cost of the camera. I've been thinking of a similar thing for the wall-mount 486: boot from floppy (or flash - I have an IDE adapter for an ATA card) and use networked storage. I could use the internal hard disk, but I want an appliance that I can turn on and off without worrying about filesystem corruption. Anyway... massively off-topic, but fun. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

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RX01 Bootstrap Loader

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

Like trying to find a needle in a haystack..... Would anyone know which handbook/manual the RX01 bootstrap loader is in? I need to toggle in the RX01 bootstrap into a PDP-11/20 with 4K config. If the bootstrap code is too long would anyone know if DEC distributed a RX01 bootstrap paper tape version? john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com

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OT Responsibility Re: Dumpster stories!

by edick＠idcomm.com

Chuck, there are a few things you may have forgotten. By the time one has learned enough about parenting to be of use, it's too late for one's own children. I've seen exceptions occur, in cases where when the first "seating" has exited the scene, a second one is introduced. Those are the exception rather than the rule, however. Secondly, in an effort to make the nation's children safe from the few truly abusive parents that we have in our communities, society has rendered illegal the best and easiest-to-use tool, FEAR, sometimes best bundled with GUILT, which is the other of these two tools for childrearing. I had the harrowing experience of having a "counselor," and outsourced individual provided by a district subcontractor, tell one of my sons that my rather stern regimen of discipline was "too strict" and, thereby, validating his desire to disregard my direction. Within weeks the boy was skipping school, smoking, and not just tobacco, and who knows what else. His school work was already poor, so that didn't fall off much. It was a long hard couple of years getting him through high school and off to college. Does this shed any light? Dick -----Original Message----- From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:48 PM Subject: OT Responsibility Re: Dumpster stories! >At 12:53 PM 2/10/00 -0800, Mike Ford wrote: >>The only thing is this instance that seems to really work is to fine anyone >>the puts out a fridge without removing the door hinges. Children by >>definition cannot be expected to obey rules, regardless of the rule. > >If you are the parent of a child who cannot "obey rules" especially ones >that will kill them when violated then you must supervise that child. If >you are unable to supervise them then you either train them or get someone >else to supervise them. If you are unwilling to supervise them or get them >supervised and they need it, then your children will die and I will feel >sad for them but I will blame the parent. > >Attempting to make the world "bad parent" safe is not possible. > >--Chuck >

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My6502 Progress

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- "Richard A. Cini, Jr." <rcini(a)msn.com> wrote: > Hello, all: > > For those not necessarily following my 6502-based SBC project on my Web > site, here's the latest. > > The schematics are done, I just have to make some minor tweaks. Then I > can work on the PCB layout. With all the recent discussion, I'd like to know what you are using for layout software. > Anyway, what I'm going to do is make DXF pictures out of them and post > them to my site for all to see. Comments will be welcomed. Cool. > Once the design is finalized, I'll have a prototype board made so that I > can see if it works. I'd also be interested in knowing who's burning your prototype and how much it runs you. I still have delusions of completing my 1802 SBC. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

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400 gig/in^2 punch card

by jfoust＠threedee.com

<http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,34250,00.html> - John

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Microvax 3100 Model 30 in Kansas City

by carons＠techcare.com

> >Just came across a surplus MicroVax 3100 model 30. Anyone want it? >Mike >mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu >Computer surplus scrounger, bin diver, pallet mover, dust blower, classic >computer lover, non PC computer discoverer, lover of old but not forgotten >technology > > Hi! If it isn't spoken for and you don't mind shipping it (all charges on me, of course), I might be interested in it. Do you have an idea of what the system might contain in terms of memory expansion and hard drives (number and size of)? Thanks! - Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net)

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Ultrix 4 manuals avail.

by rich＠alcor.concordia.ca

A coworker here has a set of Ultrix 4.0 manuals about to go to the recycling bin. If anyone wants 'em, let me know today, and I'll grab them. -Rich -- ------------------------------ Rich Lafferty --------------------------- Sysadmin/Programmer, Instructional and Information Technology Services Concordia University, Montreal, QC (514) 848-7625 ------------------------- rich(a)alcor.concordia.ca ----------------------

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My6502 Progress

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Anyway I've always wondered -- what is the ELF and who made it? I have a >Quest Super Elf which I bought in kit form in 1981 (for $106.95, had to work >half the summer to pay for it), Netronics (or maybe it was NEtronics) sticks in my head. And I remember the "Cosmac ELF" being the name of at least one version. Gotta go dig out those old Popular Electronics... I swear every single issue >from the late 70's had a Netronics ad. IIRC they also had some 8085 SBC's. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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HP 2100 related manuals on ebay

by west＠tseinc.com

Howdy folks... I found these manuals on ebay - I already have a copy of all of these, but I thought fellow HP 2100/2114/2115/2116 collectors might find them usefull. No bidders yet, 2 days left in the auction, and the asking price appears to be 14 bucks and some change... I only call it to everyones attention because they are not listed in a category on ebay that most of us would have likely found them... Jay West ------------- > Title of item: Early HP Computer Manuals > Seller: wogilvie(a)best.com > Starts: Feb-05-00 18:34:59 PST > Ends: Feb-12-00 18:34:59 PST > Price: Starts at $14.50 > To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=254393623 > > > Item Description: > Operating and service manuals for HP 2100 minicomputer peripherials - circa 1973 > 7900A Disc Drive - 1" thick, schematics, diagrams > 7035B X-Y Recorder - spiral bound, photos, schematics > 59301A ASCII to Parallel Converter - 40 pages > 12539C Time Base Generator Interface Kit - TBG board for 2100 > 12531C Buffered Teleprinter Interface Kit - PCB for 2100, 2114, 2115, 2116 > 13181A Digital Magnetic Tape Unit. Interface kit PCB for 2100 > Essential for preserving historic computers. > This auction is for these 6 manuals + 2 updates. No hardware is included. Winner > to pay shipping from 94043. Check my other auctions on eBay.

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Items for possible trade

by jott＠saturn.ee.nd.edu

Hello - Our department is telling me clean up. Some items that may be available soon are: hp 7550 plotter sun sparc 1, 2 (all are B&W, most of the monitors are dim) apple laserwriter II (some whole, some for parts) apple/radius large screen monitors (condition: unknown) calcomp 1039 plotters The apple and sun items have seen heavy use. I don't have room and I don't want to pitch them. I'd like to trade for single board computers or hp integal options/accessories/manuals or ??? Worest case, just offer shipping. john -- ************************************************************************ * * * * John Ott * Email: jott(a)saturn.ee.nd.edu * * Dept. Electrical Engineering * * * 275 Fitzpatrick Hall * * * University of Notre Dame * Phone: (219) 631-7752 * * Notre Dame, IN 46556 USA * * * * * ************************************************************************

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Dumpster tales from Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I can't help when I drive down the street to stop and examine any computer stuff I find on the curb. My kids get kind of irritated waiting in a running car while I examine stuff.. Our lake community about every 3 years has a free drop-off for large trash. I have picked up more "good stuff" than my wife will let me keep. I usually volunteer so I can help unload and preselect any stuff before it goes in the truck sized bins. Best find was a Toshiba 21" TV with a broken power cord. Lots of old PS/2 and 286 machines and dot matrix printers. The Kansas City surplus place fills bins with the following. Bin #1 motherboards Bin #2 fingerboards Bin #3 power supplies Bin #4 cables I don't know where the documentation and media goes. All of the cases go into the metal scrap bin. I have almost cried when I find something really interesting as a case only in the metal scrap bin. Mike

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silicon grease removal

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

Hello, Glad to find something besides friction that takes that white silicon grease off things. A friend of mine calls it whale snot. I prefer the clear stuff over the white glop anyday. gary HIldebrand Amigaphile WA7KKP scrounger 1st Class

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Who has the best dumpster?

by markp＠wccls.lib.or.us

Our apartment complex's dumpster is a good source for home electronica (a 13" B&W TV, a cassette deck, a receiver reeking of cigarettes when warmed up, 2 boom boxes, all in working order...), but I've come across only one PC (clone 386). Who has good dumpsters for finding computers? Retailers? Universities? OT, sorta: Our local Goodwill stores here in Portland have the maddening habit of putting all the monitors on these shelves, all the boxes on those shelves, and all the keyboards in that big bin over there... Found the keyboard for a Mac 512k or Plus but could never find the monitor&breadloaf. Then, in the checkout line, I saw it in a cart! Didn't get the machine, but the guy was happy I found the keyboard for him. Later, I thought Idiot! I shoulda checked their dumpster for other odds'n'ends. I've volunteered before to help assemble complete systems, but they don't have the shelf space for it. Good list, Jay. long-time listener, first-time caller, Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com [SMTP:CLASSICCMP@trailing-edge.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 6:51 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: How far can you reach in a dumpster? > > > You must be a lot taller than I am. I jump up on the side and lean > right > >in. > > My favorite technique is to back my car up to the dumpster, pop the trunk > open, climb on my bumper then into the dumpster, and start sorting and > tossing the good stuff into the trunk. > > A good number of the PDP-11 freeware tapes in the archives were rescued > that way :-). > > Tim.

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Who has the best dumpster?

by aek＠spies.com

"They'll routinely get FOUR OR FIVE semi-truck-loads of equipment in at once - but they have signs up threatening arrest for dumpster diving, and the police routinely patrol around back. 8-(" Let me guess, they only put out PC stuff and Macs, and throw the rest away, because it doesn't sell? Since Austin was the home of the TI Computer division, is there ANY 990 series minicomputer stuff that shows up down there?

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by markp＠wccls.lib.or.us

>I personally find this discussion thread to be scary at best. >What does it say about us? A. cheapskates B. friends to Mother Earth C. need a life D. all of the above Mark

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My6502 Progress

by edick＠idcomm.com

Yes, and I got a spam from an easter-European company offering to make up to 16-layer boards (large, but I don't remember how large) for $26 each, quantity 1. Silkscreen and Solder mask were extra. Now I 've got to see where I stashed it. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 9:14 PM Subject: Re: My6502 Progress >--- "Richard A. Cini, Jr." <rcini(a)msn.com> wrote: >> Hello, all: >> >> For those not necessarily following my 6502-based SBC project on my Web >> site, here's the latest. >> >> The schematics are done, I just have to make some minor tweaks. Then I >> can work on the PCB layout. > >With all the recent discussion, I'd like to know what you are using for >layout software. > >> Anyway, what I'm going to do is make DXF pictures out of them and post >> them to my site for all to see. Comments will be welcomed. > >Cool. > >> Once the design is finalized, I'll have a prototype board made so that I >> can see if it works. > >I'd also be interested in knowing who's burning your prototype and how much >it runs you. I still have delusions of completing my 1802 SBC. > >-ethan > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com

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silicon grease removal

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Ah.. the white stuff is almost assuredly not silicon grease, but rather <titanium dioxide. It's commonly used as a thermal paste, and if the dust <is inhaled it is highly toxic. As long as the paste is still plastic <though you're fairly safe. It's when it's dried out you really want to be <careful with it. I think your confusing Berillium Oxide (BeO, very bad stuff) with Titanium dioxide(commonly used to make white) which is nearly inert. Allison

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Poor contact repair (was: Re: The pure *hell* of restoring a PDP-8/S desktop.

by aek＠spies.com

"Umm, interesting to hear that about simple green.... that would be the stuff that I've always used to clean toilets and tile floors... " It's also widely used in arcade game collector circles for restoring control panels. One thing i'm wondering about is what the military uses for this problem (not everything is conformally coated). I remember looking at the web page for Stabilant 22, and it left me (on purpose, no doubt) wondering exactly what the stuff really was.

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Microvax 3100 Model 30 in Kansas City

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Just came across a surplus MicroVax 3100 model 30. Anyone want it? <> Mike < <I've got a Model 38 VaxStation I'm working to restore... <Is that a Qbus box or Vaxstation? < <Bill Thats a vaxstation or a VAXserver and definatly not Qbus (none of the 3100 series are Q.). The 3100s are basically single board pizza boxes though there are double height models (3100m20e) with one main board and several daughter boards to add memory, video planes, IO. They generally expect SCSI disks. As small vaxen go they are 2.4vups at the low end and low power up to some fire breathing versions like the m90. Allison

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My6502 Progress

by rcini＠msn.com

Hello, all: For those not necessarily following my 6502-based SBC project on my Web site, here's the latest. The schematics are done, I just have to make some minor tweaks. Then I can work on the PCB layout. The board size is now 9"x7", which is way bigger than I anticipated. There are 20 ICs on the board, most of which are 24, 28, or 40 pin jobbies. Anyway, what I'm going to do is make DXF pictures out of them and post them to my site for all to see. Comments will be welcomed. Once the design is finalized, I'll have a prototype board made so that I can see if it works. Rich [ Rich Cini [ ClubWin!/CW1 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ <================ reply separator =================> ?

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Who has the best dumpster?

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:21:46 -0600 John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> writes: >Another great source of machines is company auctions. A lot of >companies sell their old written-off computers at deep discounts >to their employees or anyone else who will pay for them. >You'll only hear about these if all your friends know you're a >scrounger. *GRRRRRRR!!!* *Dont* Get me started with this! Our MIS department is manned by a bunch of goosestepping Nazi brownshirts who *insist* on giving all of our surplus machines to a 'wholesaler'. They used to sell/give them to employees, but changed the 'policy' last year. "We don't have the time to prepare these machines for employees to buy them". Lame, stupid, BS reason. @#$%&* Where's my valium? Jeff ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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[CC] Clarifying my "Wanted" posting.

by foxnhare＠jps.net

> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:25:04 GMT > From: "David Vohs" <netsurfer_x1(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CC] Clarifying my "Wanted" posting. > > First off, here is my original posting: > > >I am looking for a copy of the old Macintosh speech synthesizer program > >called "Smooth Talker" from First Byte. I had this program >on a floppy > >that my electronics teacher gave to me last year, but >the floppy has since > >worn out & I have been searching *everywhere* >for a copy, but to no avail. > >If you have a copy, *do not* send me a >disk image, as my Mac > (original Mac >upgraded to Mac Plus specs.) >does not recognize them at all. I must > ask, > >however, that it come on >an 800K floppy, 400K is not enough space! > >I am looking for a driver for aforementioned Macintosh for an Apple > Color >Stylewriter 2400. I don't want that printer to be reduced to >dust > magnet >status! > > Clarification: I am looking for the aforementioned drivers/programs *on a > disk*, *NOT* as a disk image! Disk images are totally useless to me, & > my Mac does not like them *at all*. I tried to make a disk image once, > but it didn't work. The only 'StyleWriter' class printer you would get going on your 'Plus specced' mac, would be either a Stylewriter or Stylewriter II, and would require at least system 6. :/ You need 68020 mac or better for the color stylewriters. -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011

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Who has the best dumpster?

by markp＠wccls.lib.or.us

>I live in a tiny town of 6,000 people. My local mom-and-pop computer >store (repair, Internet, service, they do it all) routinely tosses out >semi-dead motherboards (the serial port got zapped, no one wants a >separate serial card, so it's history), too-small hard drives, >working VGA-ish monitors, etc. I can't imagine what a larger >repair shop would routinely toss. >- John Do they have signs threatening dumpster-divers with slow painful death like the thrift stores do? Mark

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Poor contact repair (was: Re: The pure *hell* of restoring a PDP-8/S desktop.

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Umm, interesting to hear that about simple green.... that would be the stuff that I've always used to clean toilets and tile floors... Will J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years, 5 months

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TK50 with KA650

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<really? all the docs i see generally say put tape controllers at the end, <in low priorities. with KA630 it worked in the same position (granted, <the KA630 might have been slow enough that it didnt matter). The priority <i always gave stuff was , first network, then the async muxes, then <disks, then tapes. generally true but all the uVAX docs I have for the qbus beasties seem to make the TK50 streaming tape an exception. From using it under VMS it does make a difference. <the board might have just flaked out, too. Or the drive!

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Need a SUN-based VME system

by aek＠spies.com

"Better look again. Both the 3/50 and 3/60 are Pizza Boxes. The 3/75 is apparently a 2 VME Slot Pizza Box, now that sounds wierd! " I forgot about that one (mostly because the power supplies burned up a lot in them..) They were "Carrera" (68020) CPU boards, with a VME SCSI board in the second slot. There are also a bunch of third party 6U VME Sun compatible CPU cards that were made. Since the application for the system wasn't specified, it's tough to suggest what type of system is appropriate.

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Microvax 3100 Model 30 in Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Just came across a surplus MicroVax 3100 model 30. Anyone want it? Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu Computer surplus scrounger, bin diver, pallet mover, dust blower, classic computer lover, non PC computer discoverer, lover of old but not forgotten technology

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Need a SUN-based VME system

by aek＠spies.com

">PS: Is the Sun 3/50 VME-based?? I _think_ that's a 68k based pizza box. Check http://www.sunhelp.org for pointers to info on the various models. " No, neither is is 3/60 The 3/110, 3/150 or 4/110's were in four slot VME chassis. Most of the rest were in either rack mounted 12 slot desk or rack mount chassis. I'm rather fond of the 12 slot rack mount chassis, myself. Easy to work on, with a big power supply. There was also a 7 slot desk side chassis. I haven't seen too many VME Sun systems getting thrown away any more, most of them now are first and second generation Sun 4's.

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Who has the best dumpster?

by markp＠wccls.lib.or.us

>Don't forget that at least in the Portland area you have to make a day of >it and go to *ALL* the Goodwill stores in the area. You'll find one part >of the system in Beaverton, another in Tigard, another on Burnside, then >another at the main store. > Zane (assuming you don't mean Portland, Maine) You are correct, sir. Portland, Oregon, I should have said. (Forgive my provincialism, good people of Maine!) You're also correct about systems and collections getting scattered among various outlets. But then, you first learn that lesson as a teenager pedal your bike around, paperback-shopping: "Lessee here, _Fellowship of the Ring_ was at that store, _Two Towers_ is at this one, wonder who's got _Return of the King_...?" Mark

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Need a SUN-based VME system

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, I need a VME-based SUN system or better yet a SBUS to VME component. I also need a VME rack as well. Does anyone have one or know of one that is being dumped???? Ram PS: Is the Sun 3/50 VME-based?? -- ,,,, /'^'\ ( o o ) -oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------- | Ram Meenakshisundaram | | Senior Software Engineer | | OpenLink Financial Inc | | .oooO Phone: (516) 227-6600 x267 | | ( ) Oooo. Email: rmeenaks(a)olf.com | ---\ (----( )-------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/

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LISP machine Available

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi Gang: >From my recent email: >I've got a friend that wants to get rid of a Symbolics 3650 LISP machine. It's >got the works, extra backplanes, manuals, full data tape set, tons and tons of >cables, 850MB harddrive. It's circa 1987. The asking price is **FREE**. He's >moving and doesn't want to move it with him. Or would you know of anyone else >who would want it? Anyone interested? I'm going to see this machine Thursday night. I'll take some photos and post them for anyone who might be interested. The computer is in Vancouver, BC. More info as I get it. Kevin ========================================================== Sgt. Kevin McQuiggin, Vancouver Police Department E-Comm Project (604) 215-5095; Cell: (604) 868-0544 Email: mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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