- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)freegate.com> wrote: > Hi John, and anyone else. Does anyone know _where_ I might find a copy of > PDP-5 FOCAL? (if it even exists.) The only "software" that came with the > machine was in the form of early DEC diagnostic programs to insure that the > system was working properly. IIRC, FOCAL-69, at least, should support the PDP-5. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

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by wilson＠dbit.dbit.com

>From: "johnb" <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> >Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 03:18:31 -0500 ^^^^^^^^^^ No wonder John B scores all the cool hardware -- he has the ability to go back in time!!! :-) John Wilson D Bit

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PDP-5 Focal

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

Hi John, and anyone else. Does anyone know _where_ I might find a copy of PDP-5 FOCAL? (if it even exists.) The only "software" that came with the machine was in the form of early DEC diagnostic programs to insure that the system was working properly. --Chuck

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Identify this LSI-11 floppy controller

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I have a couple floppy disk controllers from a device that contained an >integrated LSI-11 cpu and a few other boards. > >The floppy controller is from Charles River Data Systems (C) 1978. On >the connector, one of them has FC-202 / 1613 on it, the other has >FC-202 / 1703. The floppy disks that were connected to it were >single sided shugarts (801-2 if i recall correctly). Yep, what you have there is one of the early RX02 clones. >I'm curious if these can handle DSDD, and anything else that anyone >knows about it. No, it doesn't do DSDD. I've got a manual for the CRDS board here somewhere... If you're really interested in DSDD "RX03" controllers, the place to start your research is Chester Wilson's DYCM handler, which claims to support all the RX03 variants that exist in the wild. See http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/ go into "rt-11", then "misc", then "ducmv5". Read dyc.doc (which is really a text file, not a Microsoft Word file...) >Also, is their a web site with information on pdp-11 boards, similar >to the PDP8 omnibus lists and such that are available? i'd like to >be able to look up what should be common boards, such as LSI-11 >cpus, 32K 18 bit MOS memory boards, various serial and parallel >interface cards, etc. The "Field Guide to Q-Bus and Unibus Modules" is what you want, and versions have been floating around the net for years. It does very well with DEC-numbered modules, not so well with third-party boards (although they are admittedly a tough lot because they don't have a distinct series of identifying numbers!) You can find versions of it in many places, including the "hardware" page at http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/ and Megan's revisions at http://world.std.com/~mbg/ -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Where has everybody gone?

by charp＠bitflash.com

Abrupt end of list... Solitude... Anguish.... Is anybody out there? Frederic Charpentier

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Where has everybody gone?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/24/00 10:05:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, charp(a)bitflash.com writes: > Abrupt end of list... Solitude... Anguish.... > > Is anybody out there? > > Frederic Charpentier what the heck are you talking about? plenty of conversation going on... DB Young ICQ: 29427634 view the computers of yesteryear at http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm --You can lead a whore to Vassar, but you can't make her think--

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VaxStation 3100 revisited

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Well... Alot of intervening miles later, one MMJ cable later, one doubly terminated BNC T later, my VaxStation 3100's a little happier. Still not booting though. SHOW DEV shows ESA0 (default boot) and the floppy (I forget the dau) and DKA300 which it will not boot from. I take it these were booted from somewhere else on the network. How can I get VMS on the DKA300 or at least see what's already there? Help! Thanks - Mike Well if it will nto boot from DAK300 (b DKA300 should work) then there is no OS and it was stripped. To get VMS on it you need the hobby CD (montagar) and a SCSI CDrom that can do small block size. Allison

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Sony SMC-70

by charp＠bitflash.com

The Sony SMC-70 used the Sony Profeel for a monitor. This monitor used a special RGB connector... Anyway the signal is a standard RGB 1 Volt Peak-To-Peak, the resolution is standard NTSC. Frederic Charpentier

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VMS clone..

by rhudson＠ix.netcom.com

Once upon a time there was a company putting out a VMS clone for the IBM PC/XT/AT.. These same guys had a Unix look alike too. Who where they? anyone remember?

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Manuals! Want 'em?

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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Manuals! Want 'em?

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

After much digging and sneezing, I've gathered some manuals to unload...mostly Mac-related but also some IBM. Here are a few I wrote down: Apple stuff: - shrinkwrapped IIsi and IIci owner's manuals (entire unopened sets of manuals for IIci -- including sys 7 reference -- email me if you want a list of what books are included) - shrinkwrapped Guide to System 7 - shrinkwrapped Guide to Macintosh Common LISP (I don't know if there are disks in there too, if you're interested let me know and I'll check) - big ol' box of A/UX manuals (didn't look in the box, so it may not be complete, but it probably is) - various other system manuals, not shrinkwrapped - assorted non-shrinkwrapped manuals for many OLD programs...Think C, Think Pascal, Timbuktu, Retrospect Remote, TrueBasic, etc. -- basically, things that are related to Mac system admin, or that are likely to be found in the math/cs dept of a college. If you're looking for software in those categories, email me off-list and I'll see if it's in the pile. IBM Manuals (outside my area of knowledge, I just wrote down the titles -- these are all mini-3-ring binders with cloth covers and "IBM" on them, some of which are together in original box as a set): - Technical Reference 2.02 PC XT - Macro Assembler - Guide to Operations - BASIC - MS DOS 2.10 - MS DOS 2.00 Let me know if you want any of these! -- MB

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Industrial IBM XT

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here is someone with an industrialized IBM XT looking for a new home. Please reply directly to the orginal sender. Reply-to: attwss027(a)inetmail.att.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:12:25 -0500 From: Mark G <attwss027(a)inetmail.att.net> To: donate(a)vintage.org Subject: computer to donate: details Greetings, I have a very unusual machine which deserves a home other than the trash can. I can't remember the model numbers. I can look them up. It is an Industrial XT from IBM. It has: 10meg hard drive. full height 360k floppy drive. extra fan to suck air into the case. bar which clamps over the cards. 400 watt power supply. 8088 chip with 8087 and full ram. EGA monitor which is enclosed in a protective case includes a built-in fan to keep innards cool. This is fully working and comes with the classic magnesium keyboard. At my parent's house I also have a boxed set of IBM DOS 1.1 including the original disks and manual. I'm getting married soon and "gotta get rid of the computer soon." I hope this computer will be a good addition to your museum. Sincerely, Mark Gholson AT&T Commercial Web Site Services Home email: onear(a)juno.com onear(a)hotmail.com Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Manuals! Want 'em?

by earl_evans＠yahoo.com

I would love to have the MS-DOS 2.x manuals, the Guide to Operations, and the IBM BASIC reference manual, if someone hasn't beat me to it. Thanks, - Earl --- Marion Bates <Marion.Bates(a)Dartmouth.EDU> wrote: > After much digging and sneezing, I've gathered some manuals to > unload...mostly Mac-related but also some IBM. Here are a few > I wrote down: > > Apple stuff: > - shrinkwrapped IIsi and IIci owner's manuals (entire unopened > sets of manuals for IIci -- including sys 7 reference -- email > me if you want a list of what books are included) > - shrinkwrapped Guide to System 7 > - shrinkwrapped Guide to Macintosh Common LISP (I don't know > if there are disks in there too, if you're interested let me > know and I'll check) > - big ol' box of A/UX manuals (didn't look in the box, so it > may not be complete, but it probably is) > - various other system manuals, not shrinkwrapped > - assorted non-shrinkwrapped manuals for many OLD > programs...Think C, Think Pascal, Timbuktu, Retrospect Remote, > TrueBasic, etc. -- basically, things that are related to Mac > system admin, or that are likely to be found in the math/cs > dept of a college. If you're looking for software in those > categories, email me off-list and I'll see if it's in the > pile. > > IBM Manuals (outside my area of knowledge, I just wrote down > the titles -- these are all mini-3-ring binders with cloth > covers and "IBM" on them, some of which are together in > original box as a set): > > - Technical Reference 2.02 PC XT > - Macro Assembler > - Guide to Operations > - BASIC > - MS DOS 2.10 > - MS DOS 2.00 > > Let me know if you want any of these! > > -- MB > > > ===== Earl Evans retro(a)retrobits.com Enjoy Retrocomputing Today! Join us at http://www.retrobits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

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ID this board?

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

Thanks Tony, There are several large chips that say "Xilinx XC2018-70 PC84C A6396A9103E." More revealing, maybe, is what I just spotted amidst stickers and components: "Central Processing Unit." Heh. So this appears to be a big honkin motherboard from some...analytical thing. Another largish chip says "Dallas DS1287 Real Time" followed by more numbers. I am gonna hang this on my wall. Unless someone on the list is dying to have it. --MB --- Tony Duell wrote: > > Hey all, > > > I was at the local computer junkyard today and snagged a logic board I can't > identify. If anyone knows what it is, please enlighten me/us... > > > It's about 15 inches wide and 9 deep. Has a "test passed" sticker dated 1991. > The whole front edge is a connector. The rear port labels include things like > "octal-UART connector," "SCSI bus to disc," and lots of letters and numbers. It > says "Computer board PC 1916" on the left side and "Link Analytical made in > England" on the right. It was in a static bag and looks unused. I've sort-of come across a company called 'Link Systems'. In fact one of my ASR33s (Data Dynamics case/electronics) is badged by them. >From what I remember they made computerised (mostly) analytical instruments, spectrometers, electron microscopes, that sort of thing. The computers were sometimes based on PDP11 CPUs (or occasionally DG Novas IIRC). They may well have designed their own CPU boards later on, but I've never seen anything like that. My guess is that you've found a board, possibly an interface, possibly a complete CPU, from one of these instruments. What (if any) large chips are on it? -tony --- end of quote ---

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Somewhat OT: Then & Now.

by jfedorko＠virtualadmin.com

Then... Big timesharing companies... Now... Application Service Providers Then... Service Bureaus... Now ... Web Hosting companies Is it repackaging or recycling? -Joel -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of David Vohs Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 22:53 To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Somewhat OT: Then & Now. This is something that I had posted on the comp.sys.cbm newsgroup that I thought would be intresting to see how much the computer world has (or hasn't) changed starting right around 1980 or so. So if you've seen this before, I apologize. Anyway, here are some things that have changed (or have they?) in the computer world: Back then we had: Daisychained peripherals to the Commodore IEC serial bus. Now we have: Daisychained peripherals to the Universal Serial Bus. Back then we had: The Original Macintosh. Now we have: The iMac. Back then we had: Computers with a built-in RF modulator. Now we have: Video cards with a built-in RF modluator. Back then we had: The Original Macintosh II. Now we have: The G3/G4 PowerMac. Back then we had: The Commodore 1581 head-knocking/Click of Death problem. Now we have: The Iomega Zip drives' Click of Death problem. Back then we had: The Macintosh Portable. Now we have: The iMac. Back then we had: The Tandy Model 100. Now we have: The PalmPilot. This is all that I could think of, I want anybody who can think of anything that hasn't changed to add something on this list. Let's show people that the old phrase "The more things change, the more things stay the same" is true! ____________________________________________________________ David Vohs, Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian. Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64C, 1802, 1541, FSD-1, GeoRAM 512, Okimate 20. "Leela": Macintosh 128 (Plus upgrade), Nova SCSI HDD, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. "Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer 3. "Boombox": Sharp PC-7000. ____________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Things that make you sick!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Mike and I went to one place today and found the remains of a Data General Aiivion (sp?) in the scrap metal pile. We had gotten there too late to save it. :-( I did get the CPU module out of it. It has three large ICs on it. Two are XC88200RC25B s and the other is a MC88100RC25. Can anyone tell me what exactly these are? Joe

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Interesting finds; 1801, National Semiconductor RM-665, Grid,HPs..

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>A few years ago in a surplus store I found the RCA CMOS databook that >contained (sketchy) specs for the 1801. However, the idiots were not I have basic specs fot the pair, deeply burried though. >The databook indicated that the 1801 is a two-chip set, which consists of >the CDP1801C and CDP1801R, the former containing the control circuitry and >that latter containing the registers. Apparently RCA designed it as a >production prototype, and did not intend it for commercial use, instead >recommending that customers design in the 1802 which was due out soon >thereafter. Not quite true. the pair were used by special customers for quite a while as they were by basic construction rad hard. There were a few minor instruction differences as well, the 1801 had fewer than the 02. Allison

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VAXstation 4000VLC

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

On the topic of VAXstations, does anyone one the list have experience with hacking VLC's and or LCD's? I'm wondering how feasable it would be to hook an LCD display up to a VLC, and if it would be possible with off the shelf hardware. The other alternative I'm thinking of would be to pickup a cheap laptop, load Linux/X-Windows on it, and use it as an intelligent X-Terminal. At this point, you're probably asking, what on Earth am I trying to do. Well, I've decided I want a VAX "Laptop", and while I really doubt I can have it battery powered I want to see what I can do starting with a VLC as the base. I figure as long as I can get the final product about the size of an old Toshiba 5200 I'm on the right track. Of course I'm also thinking that if I can find the time to do this and do it right I'll have to build my own case for all the guts of the pieces. If nothing else a VLC and a Laptop used as a terminal should make a nice small easily portable VAX. I figure I'll initially try this out with my Mac PowerBook 540c since it's got built in ethernet and I can run eXodus on it for DECwindows support. However, as the 540c is only 640x480 I figure it's only good for a couple Mac telnet windows or a DECterm via X. Anyone have any ideas? I hope to start in on this next weekend, but it will depend on how soon the VLC I just bought for this takes to get here. As for the why, well, why not :^) Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Another VaxStation 3100 question

by dogas＠leading.net

Another one of my VaxStation 3100's is a KA42 ver 1.3. It has LOGIN and (SET) PSWD commands in the DCL whereas my KA42 ver 1.2's do not. I don't know the password for the 1.3 box. Is there a way to reset it or find out what it is? Thanks again. - Mike

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VaxStation 3100 revisited

by dogas＠leading.net

Well... Alot of intervening miles later, one MMJ cable later, one doubly terminated BNC T later, my VaxStation 3100's a little happier. Still not booting though. SHOW DEV shows ESA0 (default boot) and the floppy (I forget the dau) and DKA300 which it will not boot from. I take it these were booted from somewhere else on the network. How can I get VMS on the DKA300 or at least see what's already there? Help! Thanks - Mike

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Looking for Allison Parent

by allisonp＠world.std.com

From: Sellam Ismail <dastar(a)siconic.com> To: Classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <Classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, April 22, 2000 11:56 PM Subject: Looking for Allison Parent Is Allison Parent still subscribed here? If so, could you please e-mail me with your current e-mail address? If not, could someone please let me know how I can contact her? Yes??? It's still allisonp(a)world.std.com Allison

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Interesting finds; 1801, National Semiconductor RM-665, Grid,HPs..

by dogas＠leading.net

Hi all, I hope everyone is having a great weekend. Another item scored along with the rest of the subject's "interesting finds" was an Applied Microsystems thingy (an ES0130 (???)) It's a multibus gizmo in a small chasis missing the front plate. On the back , there are two db25 ports for Terminal and Computer, and a BNC for a Trigger. There is sticker on top listing two options installed: 1) AMC/ES-68000/8 and, 2) AN/403158. Another sticker on top says 128k. There are five cards installed on the back plane accessable from the front of the unit. They are: 1. ES Controller (with a 6809 on board) 2. ES Controller Memory 3. Trace and Break 4. ES Ram Overlay ver. 2 5. 68010 08/00 Emulator Anybody familiar with it? I also got two Dec boards: M7164 (it has 4 AMD2901 bit slicers on it) and a M7165. I'd happily trade both of these for a M7260 that I could dearly use. And last but not least found is an boxed A MAX, the Macintosh Emulator for the Amiga with the Apple ROMS but missing disks. Does anyone have this software? Thanks and beware the bunnies... - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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Looking for Allison Parent

by dastar＠siconic.com

Is Allison Parent still subscribed here? If so, could you please e-mail me with your current e-mail address? If not, could someone please let me know how I can contact her? THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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want Mac parts?

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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Docs for IBM LaserPrinter

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

Hi, I picked up what looks like a complete set of manuals for the IBM LaserWriter from October 1990. Four books: Software Applications/Driver Information User's Guide Technical Reference Supplies/Options Catalog Let me know if you're interested in any/all of them for cost of postage. -- MB

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want Mac parts?

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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Docs for IBM LaserPrinter

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

--- "Shawn T. Rutledge" wrote: LaserWriter would be Apple, not IBM --- end of quote --- Oops. I meant to write "LaserPrinter" -- that's actually what it says. -- MB

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Interesting finds; 1801, National Semiconductor RM-665, Grid,HPs..

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi All, Mike paid a visit from Jacksonville today and we had a llloonnggg day of digging for computer relics. Mike found a Grid laptop and a NIB Grid MODEM. I found a 1801A CPU! This is the predecessor to the COSMAC 1802. I never expected to see one of these. I also found a HP 45 calculator, a HP 9816 computer, a pair of HP 9121 disk drives and a National Semiconductor RM-665 computer. The NS computer uses MultiBus cards and has an Intel 80/20 CPU card with a 8080 CPU. It also has Analog Devices card with several D-A and A-D devices on it. I've never heard of a National Semiconductor computer before. Does anyone know anything about them? Mike also got a Motorola HDS-200 Hardware Developement system with the plug ins for a 6502 CPU. Does anyone have any information about these? Joe

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FS: Mac logic/analog boards

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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ID this board?

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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Progress on NEC APC

by dastar＠siconic.com

Ok, so thanks to Don Maslin who sent me an NEC APC system disk and a bit of luck I have finally been able to boot my NEC APC. I believe the drive heads were dirty, but constant running of the disk in the drive finally scraped away enough grime to make it read (couldn't find an 8" head cleaning disk...must organize warehouse; drives are enclosed and I couldn't seem to extract them from the machine to clean with alcohol...oh well). I stuck the disks I'm trying to recover data from in the B: drive and did a DIR but they all come back with "NO FILE". Now of course this means that the disks contain no files but I'm thinking there has to be something wrong here. The system disk is CP/M-86. I still don't know what format the disks in question are but I assumed they were also CP/M-86. What could be amiss here, aside from the possibility that the disks ARE empty? What utilities are available to me on the system disk to view a raw dump of the target disks? I can't believe after all this effort that these damn disks contain nothing. As always, any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, and please reply directly to sellam(a)vintage.org. Thanks! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Graphics card

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, I picked up a graphics card when I was down in Germany last week. It contains several SMB-type connectors labeled as follows: EX - What is this? VS - Vertical Sync CS - Composite (or Horizontal) Sync R - Red G - Green B - Blue What is EX?? I was planning on using the BNC-to-VGA connector which has 5 BNC connectors for VS, CS, R, G, and B but I dont know what the EX is used for... Ram

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Somewhat OT: Then & Now.

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

This is something that I had posted on the comp.sys.cbm newsgroup that I thought would be intresting to see how much the computer world has (or hasn't) changed starting right around 1980 or so. So if you've seen this before, I apologize. Anyway, here are some things that have changed (or have they?) in the computer world: Back then we had: Daisychained peripherals to the Commodore IEC serial bus. Now we have: Daisychained peripherals to the Universal Serial Bus. Back then we had: The Original Macintosh. Now we have: The iMac. Back then we had: Computers with a built-in RF modulator. Now we have: Video cards with a built-in RF modluator. Back then we had: The Original Macintosh II. Now we have: The G3/G4 PowerMac. Back then we had: The Commodore 1581 head-knocking/Click of Death problem. Now we have: The Iomega Zip drives' Click of Death problem. Back then we had: The Macintosh Portable. Now we have: The iMac. Back then we had: The Tandy Model 100. Now we have: The PalmPilot. This is all that I could think of, I want anybody who can think of anything that hasn't changed to add something on this list. Let's show people that the old phrase "The more things change, the more things stay the same" is true! ____________________________________________________________ David Vohs, Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian. Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64C, 1802, 1541, FSD-1, GeoRAM 512, Okimate 20. "Leela": Macintosh 128 (Plus upgrade), Nova SCSI HDD, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. "Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer 3. "Boombox": Sharp PC-7000. ____________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Link update please

by dastar＠siconic.com

I need to update my link for the old ClassicCmp archive that Kevan Heydon had on his site. I remember there being some talk about moving this but I guess I failed to update my link. If someone could e-mail it to me at sellam(a)vintage.org I'd appreciate it very much. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Intel i960 evaluation board

by mark_k＠totalise.co.uk

On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 Kevin Schoedel wrote: >Since some i960s are still in production, you can most likely get >information and software from Intel. Indeed you can. You can order the "i960 Microprocessor Electronic Library" CD-ROM from Intel's literature centre. The order number is 272743-002. Or look on the Intel web site. -- Mark

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Interesting finds; 1801, National Semiconductor RM-665, Grid,HPs..

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> I was wondering if anyone would catch that. You're right, the 1801 is >only half of the processor. Do you know what the 1800 looked like? Is it >also the same size as the 1801? Now I'll have to look for the 1800 half. Also the same size and likely the same appearance. Allison

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IBM 3725 In Central Illinois

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Dan Linder <dlinder(a)uiuc.edu> wrote: > List, > > There is an IBM 3725 available... Just a large heavy blue computer. > I'm also quite interested in what it is. It is big, it is heavy, it is blue, but it isn't a computer. It's a PU (Physical Unit) Type 4 as seen from an SNA network standpoint, and is more commonly known as an FEP (Front End Processor) - Think of it as the I/O interface for a mainframe. This is the thing that a 3274 would talk to - that box we were discussing here a few days ago. The CPU is a PU Type 5, the 37x5 is the PU Type 4, the 3274 is a PU Type 2 and they all coexist happily in their own roles on an SNA network. Each PU Type can initiate or resond to certain types of network traffic; it's very hierarchical and structured. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

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Interesting finds; 1801, National Semiconductor RM-665, Grid,HPs..

by dogas＠leading.net

> Mike also got a Motorola >HDS-200 Hardware Developement system with the plug ins for a 6502 CPU. Does >anyone have any information about these? Close Joe, It's not a 6502, it is a 6805 packeged like an Atari 2600 cartridge that's labled" HDS-200 Program Cartridge M6805, R2, U2, R3, U3" ;) - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

>I found a 1801A CPU! This is the predecessor to the COSMAC 1802. I never Half cpu... The 1800/1801 were a pair that implemented alost an 1802. >computer. The NS computer uses MultiBus cards and has an Intel 80/20 CPU >card with a 8080 CPU. It also has Analog Devices card with several D-A and >A-D devices on it. I've never heard of a National Semiconductor computer >before. Does anyone know anything about them? Mike also got a Motorola National did the BLC80xx series if memory serves, decent intel compatable multibus. Slightly surprized to see a ISBC80/20 cpu as they nominally had National cards. I think I have the manual for the BLC80204 8080 card that was the national equivelent of the ISBC8020. Allison

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SIMM Remover tool

by technoid＠cheta.net

My Sparcstation 330 has 24ea 30-pin simms onboard. Removing them was a problem for me when I was diagnosing bad ram. I found that a 7.65x54mm cartridge for my 100+ year old Argentine Mauser rifle was the perfect tool for working with this type of simm socket. I suspect any full-metal-jacket round with a "Spitzer"-type nose (pointy) will work such as 7.62x39 Warsaw Pact or 5.56 Nato will work just as well or better. The trick is to start with the 'lowest' simm - the one that is 'under' all the others. Insert the nose of the round into the hole on one side of the simm, press down to disengage the clip on the socket and lever against the simm 'below' the one you are removing. The last simm is more difficult because there is no simm 'beneath' it to lever against but the tool is still helpful. Especially if your video card is like mine, piggybacked onto the motherboard. I lever against it for the last simm. The copper jacket is soft and will scratch but does not appear to shed material which is good because copper is conductive.... These minor scratches will affect accuracy when the round is fired so don't use this 'tool' as ammunition in a competition! Yes. I drew a five-shot, one-hole group at 110yards with my Winchester 30-30 rifle over open-sites one day. Can hit a quarter at 300yd with a scope..... As with all explosives, due care is indicated..... Regards Technoid

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by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/21/2000 7:40:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > National Semiconductor RM-665 > computer. The NS computer uses MultiBus cards and has an Intel 80/20 CPU > card with a 8080 CPU. It also has Analog Devices card with several D-A and > A-D devices on it. I've never heard of a National Semiconductor computer > before. The RM-665 was an OEM Intel Multibus 1 box from the early 80s. It sounds like you have a process controller of some sort. The Intel 80/20 is an 8080 Single Board Computer. This is the type of system built into industrial systems. Paxton

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Things that make you sick!

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/21/2000 7:45:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > Two are XC88200RC25B s and the other is a MC88100RC25. Can anyone tell > me what exactly these are? These three chips comprise the Mot. 88000 processor at 25 Mhz. Paxton

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Somewhat OT: Then & Now.

by dogas＠leading.net

...back then we had just enough ram to get the job done, today we have enough ram to run solitare instead of getting the job done... ;)

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Things that make you sick!

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

That's the ill-fated 88000 chipset by Motorola. It was Moto's only entry into the then-new RISC processor market. The AViiON is one of a handfull of machines developed to use the 88000. The three chips collectively make up a CPU: the two 88200's are cache/mmu, and the 88100 is the actual CPU itself. The 88000 was way cool, on account of it was one of the earliest RISC CPU's that was designed specifically to operate in parallel. This processor family was doomed when Moto sold it's soul to IBM and Apple and produced the PowerPC (it did this, but only after Moto shot itself in the foot, yet again). Anyways, the AViiON ran DG-UX, (a unix subspecies), and were fairly cool in their day. They can be had *very* cheaply; I seriously doubt many will survive. . . While not yet 10 years old, I think it qualifies as 'classic' (well, they're cheap enough so I can afford to purchase them; that's good enough for me!!!) :^) Jeff On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:45:15 -0500 Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> writes: > Mike and I went to one place today and found the remains of a Data > General > Aiivion (sp?) in the scrap metal pile. We had gotten there too late > to > save it. :-( I did get the CPU module out of it. It has three large > ICs on > it. Two are XC88200RC25B s and the other is a MC88100RC25. Can > anyone tell > me what exactly these are? > > > Joe > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Intel i960 evaluation board

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>Perhaps you're thinking of the 8096. The i960 has no architectural or Thats the beastie. >The 8089 was not particularly intended for embedded applications; it was >supposed to be a channel controller, i.e., a smart DMA controller able I know it well. I have a few of them. Actually it does make a fair embeeded controller if your not doing much math. >The only thing 20-bit about the 8089 is the address, but at least it was >a flat 20-bit space unlike that of the 8086. And the alu was 20 bits wide too. The GA, GB and GC register beiseds holding address information also were usable as accumulators. Simple part to program save for the lack of tools. I tried it for a channel controller for s100. Parts overhead to use it was on the high side do the the bus state encoding. Allison

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VCF Europa & My Appearance at Oxford

by dastar＠siconic.com

VCF 1.0e is about a week away and plans are rolling right along. It should prove to be a smashing event. My German lessons are progressing nicely and I can now ask for beer in German and get directions to the nearest toilet. Next week I hope to be able to apologize in German for vomiting on your shoes. In case this isn't making sense to you, I made a deal with Hans that if he did the VCF for Europe I would learn German and give a 45 minute talk in German. My talk will deal with the Inca Quipu, a mnemonic device made of cloth that the ancient Inca's used to record things such as their crop counts, population, etc. I'm also giving a talk at Oxford (that would be in England :) at the Institute of Archaeology, 36 Beaumont St, Oxford at 5pm on Thursday, May 4th. My talk will deal with this whole computer collecting craze and what people like us are doing to preserve the history of computing. I may also give a follow-up talk the next day (that would be Friday, May 5th) at the Computer Centre on Banbury Road. That talk is still tentative but I'll post a follow-up when the time is worked out. I'll be in Oxford from Thursday, May 4th, until Saturday morning, May 6th. I would love to meet any Englanders from the list so if you can make it to the talk I'd be delighted. We can go get one of those big, tall beers at a local pub afterwards. They're called a yard right? Shouldn't that be 0.9144 meters now since you're on the metric system? At any rate, we'll quaff some alcoholic beverages and then go harass pretty young ladies. If anyone would like to contact me about anything please send all queries to sellam(a)vintage.org. I look forward to meeting many of my European counterparts! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Univac 1540 Front Panalege!

by dogas＠leading.net

I had a great time trekking all over north and central Florida today with Joe and we both found alot of new toys. I think I mentioned seeing a Univac 1540 here on the list a while back and today (soon) before it is to fall into the metal shredder of oblivion, I *liberated* his front panels! Check out: http://users.leading.net/~dogas/classiccmp/univac/univac.htm There are several bends in the metal and I'm considering taking them to a car body shop to see if it can be straightened out unless anyone has a better idea... A happy and tired... - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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Progress on NEC APC (fwd)

by elvey＠hal.com

>>>>> Forwarded message from Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, Don Maslin wrote: > > > what the CP/M-86 would see on the MS-DOS format. > > It gives you a big fat error message. > > In THIS case, due to sector size differences. But not ALWAYS. I have > seen non-CP/M disks with E5 where a CP/M directory would have been. I don't recall running across that, but I'll be alert now. > MS-DOS will give a big FAT :-) error message when trying to read CP/M > (actually "Probable Non-DOS disk") because it is picky about what it > expects to see in the F.A.T. Agreed. > Due to reserved tracks, on 8" double density, CP/M's DIRectory will > fall AFTER the end of the MS-DOS directory, where the first file would > otherwise be likely to be. You're right that that would almost certainly > be content that would choke CP/M. But with very short files and large > clusters, and with sector interleave, it is entirely possible to have CP/M > looking at unused sectors. Possible, but... > Both MS-DOS and CP/M will accept and assume "empty" when encountering > a DIRectory (not the MS-DOS F.A.T.) sector of all E5. MOST MS-DOS formats > fill the empty directory sectors with 00, but not all. Some use E5, some > F6 with E5 every 32 bytes, ... What would CP/M-86 report for a directory Rather like a CP/M directory that had its files deleted :) > sector of all 00? An MS-DOS format with a large directory could easily > leave the END of the MS-DOS directory sectors where the first of the CP/M > directory sectors would be. Agreed. I'll have to try the 00 bit and see what does actually happen. I'll let you know. > I don't often see use of USER in CP/M disks. Sometimes, but not often. I > think that it is more likely that they gave Sellam blank formatted > diskettes. I wouldn't argue that. On the other hand, it would be prudent to check. If he would mail one or more of the disks to me, I could examine them and probably provide an answer. - don << End forwarded message

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PDP flip-chips

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 21, healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote: > > Ok, can someone explain why flip-chips keep selling for serious cash on > > Ebay? I thought one thing people liked about flip-chips was how easy > > they are to repair, ie, they are typicaly either transistor/resistor/diode > > circuits, or possibly even simpler circuits implemented with very basic > > IC's... > > My guess is that unless they're someone on this list they're being used as > ornaments :^( I picked up a couple lots about a year ago when they were > going for less than they do now. What's disgusting is seeing a single > flip-chip that's fairly common goign for big bucks. I think "common" is a matter of geography. Now, flip chips are much easier to ship than big BA11 chassis, but...I've been looking for a simple, run-of-the-mill pdp11/34a system around here (Maryland, DC area) for the better part of two years...no dice...and many people say the 11/34 is one of the most common DEC machines around. I think some sort of central "clearing house" might help...we all have projects involving machines that need one component or another. Many of us will ask our local friends, then post to lists like this one, etc., and often the results are good...but sometimes not. I'm just thinking aloud here; this is a half-baked idea...maybe some sort of web server with long-term lists of stuff we all have available on the trading block, and maybe wish lists as well. Something to facilitate better communications amongst folks like us that don't necessarily know each other. Any thoughts? -Dave McGuire

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Progress on NEC APC

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Does CP/M-86 have a direct call to read a sector like >CP/M-2.2 does? If so, it wouldn't take much code >to make a sector viewer. >Dwight The jump table for the first 17 bios calls or so are as identical as you can ask for considering some of the CPU differences. The key ones are: seldisk settrack setsector setdma read write Allison

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