- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

Chuck writes: > Ok, so a couple of people have pointed out that the Plextor's support 512 > byte sectors. Further the Plextor CD writer also supports 512 byte sectors. > So my question is can I use it to write a bootable disk image? Has anyone > tried this? Tim? The actual sectors on the CD-ROM are *always* really 2048-byte sectors. Setting a CD-ROM reader to 512 bytes/sector just splits each real sector into four. And many SCSI CD-ROM drives will gladly do this via a SCSI mode select command (though not all VAXen issue the command, nor do all drives pay attention to it!) and with some you can do it with physica jumpers instead (or also.) (Actually, I'm reluctant to call the information on the CD as "physical sectors" since really the data and error correction information are interleaved and spread out over the spiral, so that a scratch in one place won't ruin all chances of recovering the data via ECC. The point is, a CD-ROM is a bunch of blocks, just as a hard drive is.) At write-time, all CD-writing software that I know of does things in terms of 2048-byte sectors. Even the CD-writing software that runs under VMS (for example, "cdwrite" and "cdrecord".) If you're really bored you can learn how to do mode page editing on SCSI drives yourself. I learned it a couple of years back when I got a boatload of Micropolis 1.6Gig drives that had been set for 520-byte sectors and wanted to use them in a more "normal" 512-byte mode. Since then the skill has come in handy to connect modern, fast, and "large" (i.e. 9 Gbytes or larger) SCSI drives onto systems that don't deal with drives that large. Just go in, edit the disk capacity mode page, and you've got a smaller than 1 Gig drive that never has to seek very far :-). -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Watch for "ILOVEYOU" loveletter.VBS bug

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 4, allisonp(a)world.std.com wrote: > It's an email worm that takes advantage of MS Active-x controls. > > This is a wide spreading fast mover and packs a payload. > > Locally several companies have reported it and it was only launched > less than a day ago. Sure enough, got this on my mail server this morning: May 4 11:46:16 srv1 sendmail[4958]: LAB04956: usgate.e-mail.com.: SMTP DATA-2 protocol error: 570 Rejected.Potential ILOVEYOU virus. Why do people use crappy software like that? If I hear one more idiot say "but I NEEEEEEEEEEEED it!" in reference to micro$lop I'm going to go postal. -Dave McGuire

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Watch for "ILOVEYOU" loveletter.VBS bug

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

It's certainly spreading fast, I've already received three corrupt messages. Two of them came from other list servers (not this one) that I belong to and one came from a friend. Fortunately, I don't think this one is too distructive... Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> > It's an email worm that takes advantage of MS Active-x controls. > > This is a wide spreading fast mover and packs a payload. > > Locally several companies have reported it and it was only launched > less than a day ago. > > WWW.f-secure.com has details. > > Allison >

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IBM PC parts

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I have some IBM PC's to be disposed of, and I was planning to try and grab a few of the full height floppy drives before they go to the campus recycling center. Does anyone have a need for something from a PC, and I do mean PC, the model before XT's.. Or does someone want to trade something for a full height floppy drive. If so, let me know and I'll see what I can do. Small things that might look interesting in a display case would certainly interest me... There are monitors as well, but if any work they probably have a lot of screen burn, and arent worth saving. There is also one AT, but I doubt anyone would offer enough to make me attempt to acquire it and ship it. This stuff is at the University of Minnesota, Minneapolis. -Lawrence LeMay

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Plextor CD writers

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Ok, so a couple of people have pointed out that the Plextor's support 512 byte sectors. Further the Plextor CD writer also supports 512 byte sectors. So my question is can I use it to write a bootable disk image? Has anyone tried this? Tim? --Chuck

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IBM PC parts

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

> >My rule is to pull anything that looks different or interesting. Obviously >a 16-256k logic board is worth preserving, but so are any special looking >cables. > There was no 16-265k logic board. There was a 16-64k and a 64-256k What is the world coming to when collectors are having trouble locating original PC cases and value 64-256k boards ?? Am I getting that old?

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COSMAC 1802 Simulator

by dogas＠leading.net

Hi, (comments embedded below) From: allisonp(a)world.std.com <allisonp(a)world.std.com> > >Havent played anything hard on it to test if it is a valid 1802 but I have >comments and suggestions. > > Build it as a basic engine, if it needs ram then set a external parameter > list for how much and what addresses, same for rom. Yep, in there from the beginning.... maybe for multiple instances of cosmacs 'linked' to each other or at least as a few depositable c++ classes that can be that generic engine.. But I didn't consider the "Load List" idea for [all] individually specified ram and rom blocks to define a 'complete system'. *snag* ;) Thanks. This LL should probably also specify any additional 'hardware' thrown in (uart, parallel interface( probabbly necessary to simulate a cosmac disk drives and raising CDOS in the emulator (final goal)), etc) > Simulate IO, if it has a uart on the N-lines then create the > registers/data you interact with (or the Q and Sense lines). I'm reviewing the CDP1854 uart specs and a UT21 rom listing now and will add it shortly. I need UT4! ( and UT3, etc... ) >The console can be like the ELF (switches and lights) and/or >a RS232 tube connected via Q and F lines, software uart required >as part of the code as UT4 does. > > Load UT4 (or whatever) from a start up list to emulate the rom > and have the 1802 engine execute the "rom" cone out of memory space. > This would allow code to "call" various ut4 routines like get or type. > > The miniassembler is nice and plenty handy. You may want to consider > having it run like real code loaded into ram later on. Thanks. And I see your point > The core of the instruction set is fairly regular so the select tree > can be broken into functional sub trees for simpler code. > > The version of TB I have is quest TB and I don't have it on machine > readable form (other than papertape which I currentlly can't read) > so I'd have to copy the pages and someone can have the fun of toggleing > it in, it'a about 1k or 2k. Somebody else has been there done that. Thanks Kirk! Thanks for the suggestions, Allison! More soon. :) - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net >Allison > >On Wed, 3 May 2000, Mike wrote: > >> Tonight I added the mini-assembler and memory block saves&loads to the 1802 >> simulator. The 95/98/nt console binary and source-code are at: >> >> http://users.leading.net/~dogas/classiccmp/cosmac/vcosmac.htm >> >> >Allison >> > >> >Good runs under W95/nt then, have that running. >> >M!... Ah UT4. have manual. >> >> heh.. early influences... >> >> >Wheres Bin/CPP for it? >> >> Up there. >> >> Let me know if it doesn't do what you think it should. >> >> Thanks >> - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net >> >> >> > >> >Last emulator for 1802 I'd played with was z80 based, even on a 4mhz z80 >> >it was faster than 1802. I wonder where I put that. >> > >> > >> >

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card punch available

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I just noticed that there is a card punch machine available here in Minneapolis if someone wants to come and get it. I didnt pay attention to the exact model, but its one of the 'old' ones, ie, its definitely not the one with the LED display in the keyboard. Anyways, if you want it you would probably have to pick it up next week before it goes to the recycling center. And you would have to let them know you want it, and arrange for a time to pick it up. -Lawrence LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu

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OT: Test

by jhfine＠idirect.com

Testing - Please Ignore!

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OT: Test

by jhfine＠idirect.com

Testing - Please Ignore!

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VAX system wanted

by swolfe1＠mail.gcnet.net

Hello all at classiccmp!!! I'm, looking to pick up an older vax system, possibly a microvax. I'm interested in ANY smaller main or minicomputer. We have some extra space in teh Computer Club room at our University. We don't have much as far as usable stuff goes ( a Pentium 75 Intel Box ). I would REALLY love to find a uVax to setup and possibly host a server for classic computers for our ACM Chapter, which could really use a project like this, since we are newly formed. Thanks! Shane Wolfe Frostburg State University Frostburg, Maryland

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What a weekend!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Cripes, what a weekend! I went out Friday and the first thing I found was a huge Helium Neon laser. It's a Spectra Physics 125 and the thing is over six feet long! Also picked that National Semiconductor Multibus computer that I told everyone about. Also picked up a Fluke 1722, a HP 9816 computer and a big box of 8mm computer tapes on the same day. Then went to an auction of space stuff with a friend of mine on Saturday. Big mistake! We've been moving stuff ever since. I've been leaving by 6:30 AM and not getting home till close till midnight. We ended up with four large work benches, 30 feet of 12 foot pallet racking and about 35 pallets of stuff! We got some cool stuff though, a complete Apple II, an Apple III with an external disk drive, two Olympia ETX-II computers, a Terak computer, a pile of HP terminals, a complete DEC Rainbow and more. Also got a a VERY complete HP 1000 including a 7905 disk drive with the disk pack still in it. Also found an entire gaylord of manuals for it. And that's just the computer stuff. Also got all kinds of electronics parts, test equipment and space stuff. Even got parts from a lunar lander and a gyro from a Saturn V. Also got a UV spectrometer. Way Cool! Other goodies include 50+ factory software tapes for the HP 9845, a strange old HP MODEM, nine HP 85 interfaces and a blue Intel paper tape reader to go with the rest of my Intel MDS system. Joe PS does anyone have any instructions or a catalog listing or other information for a Tektronix J20 (or 7J20?) Photo-Spectrometer????? It's a plug-in for the Tektronix 7000 series scope mainframes. We got all three pieces of the electronics for it but didn't get the lense for it. It might be in the stuff but we don't know what it looks like. Joe

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Plextor CD writers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 3, 21:15, Chuck McManis wrote: > Ok, so a couple of people have pointed out that the Plextor's support 512 > byte sectors. Further the Plextor CD writer also supports 512 byte sectors. > So my question is can I use it to write a bootable disk image? Has anyone > tried this? Tim? I haven't used a Plextor writer, but I see no reason for it not to work. Any writer can write a bootable image. I've done so with my Yamahas and Teac. Writing is always done with 2048-byte blocks; the sectors in the images are always 2048 bytes (well, for Mode 1 data, anyway). Setting a CD-ROM to read in 512-byte blocks just makes it deliver the data in chunks that size, it has nothing to do with the physical blocksize on the CD. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Couple of cool HP 110/150 finds

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi Ernest, At 10:47 PM 5/2/00 -0700, you wrote: >Today, I was given a bunch of interesting vintage items. > >HP-IB ABC switch (92205Y) Used to chain up to 21 external HP-IB devices >(have you seen one of these before, Joe?) I have one but it looks about like one of the standard RS-232 switch boxs and it only switchs between four (i think!) sets of HP-IB cables. >HP 9114A floppy drive box for HP110 >HP 9114B "same as above" with cool battery status lights, and original >yellow floppy protector insert. >HP Thinkjet portable printer for HP 110. Yes, those are cool. They can also be used with the HP 75, HP 71 and HP 41 calculators if you add the HP-IL interface to them. >HP Series 100 Communicator Volumes 7-12 (very cool) Now those are unusual. I have two volumes but I've never been able to find any more of them. Where did you find them? Joe

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512 byte CD-ROM drives

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Ok, perhaps a simple question. Is there anyway, by inspection of the case, to identify whether or not a CD-ROM drive will read 512byte records? If not, is there a list of "known" models that can? --Chuck

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IBM PC parts

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>Last time I demonstrated one of my not-too-old machines (a PDP11/10 IIRC) >to a group of students, I realised that the computer was built before any >of the audience were born. Ouch.... I rather enjoy showing the kids that computers were really around a long time before them and they didn't look like C grade scfi flicks had them. >The day I am told I've ruined the value of %common-machine by repairing >it is the day I leave this hobby. Permanently! Computers were designed to >run programs, and run programs they shall ! That was their initial function and most continue to do it. What other point would there be? Allison

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IBM PC parts

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>So if someone was to bid on that Northstar Horizon thats on Ebay, but that >doesnt have any floppy drives... Well they arent rare. They are nice and fairly straightforward machines. the native OS was never CP/M, it was NS* dos. For laughs what are the bids at? Allison

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IBM PC parts

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>> The day I am told I've ruined the value of %common-machine by repairing >> it is the day I leave this hobby. Permanently! Computers were designed to >> run programs, and run programs they shall ! And they have no idea of what they speak. >replaces the tires and battery when shot. It adds little >value to have a bad original battery in a car that won't >start. Trashed seat covers will not win many shows but The key on a restored care is id the battery a new white plastic cased one or something old looking with external terminals on the top. It's the difference between restored and working. > I think that restoring an old computing machine to working >condition is the highest achievement that any computer collector >can achieve. If others don't feel that way, they should be >collecting beanie babys. I happen to agree. While im not into museum restoration myself having things work is important and I do try to use exact parts often due to my junkbox depth as old or older than original. While static displays have a place working examples of the real or by replication are far more interesting. Computing is not only about machines. It's about software and the people that designed, built and supported them as well. Allison

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512 byte CD-ROM drives

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>> > Is there anyway, by inspection of the case, to identify whether or not a >> > CD-ROM drive will read 512byte records? If not, is there a list of "known" >> > models that can? I have a bunch of older Panasonic MX3501s that work fine and recently bought a $49 unit from JDR that had the jumper so I tried it and it worked. >They should also work on VMS... I"m going to dig out the VS3100 this >weekend to load it. Just got a DEC DSP3105 drive. Thats a Panasonic (aka Masushita or some such). Likely the best giveaway is any drive with a jumper for selecting block size or slower than 4x plus SCSI is likely a winner. Allison

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What a weekend!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 04:37 PM 5/3/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Joe said: > > an Apple III with an external disk drive... > Fastastic! Great! > > > Even got parts from a lunar lander... > What? Name 'em! Part of the RADAR altimeter and a spare hatch. > > > and a gyro from a Saturn V... > How big did those fellers get, anyway? It's about the same size and shape as a half height 5 1/4" hard drive and looks a lot like one at first glance. It's about 1 1/2 times as tall though. I'll try to get a picture and post it. Joe > >John A. > >

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What a weekend!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi John, I knew that someone on the list had a Terak. BTW I think this one originally came from the VA hospital in Gainsville, Florida. I got it with a bunch of stuff that came from NASA. At 02:47 PM 5/3/00 -0500, you wrote: >At 02:57 PM 5/3/00 -0500, Joe wrote: >>a Terak computer, a pile of HP terminals, a complete DEC Rainbow and more. > >Wow, tell me about the Terak system you got. I don't know anything about it other than the obvious. I haven't had a chance to look at it closely. It looks like a model 8510. It has one 8" floppy drive and the monitor. It has two serial ports and each has connectors for DTE, DCE or current loop connections. It has a monitor port, a composite video port, a keyboard connector and a connector for additional drives. I'm missing the cable that connects the monitor to the CPU and I'm missing the keyboard. (Unless it turns up in the rest of the stuff.) I'm posting pictures of it at "www.intellistar.net/~rigdonj/terak/terak-f.jpg" and "www.intellistar.net/~rigdonj/terak/terak-b.jpg". > >See http://www.threedee.com/jcm/ > >>Even got parts from a lunar lander and a >>gyro from a Saturn V. > >Wow, cool. What parts from a lunar lander? A spare door and part of the RADAR altimeter. We've already been offered VERY serious money for the door. In fact, more than enough to pay for the whole load. Oh, also got sections of the tunnels that were supposed to connect the different modules of Skylab. They remind me of those tubes used on the gerbil and hmaster habitats! Joe > >- John > >

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COSMAC 1802 Simulator

by dogas＠leading.net

>I'd be interested. what does it require to run? >Allison Wonderfull Allison, thanks! There's a win-32 console binary (it's small) for 95/98/NT or a single .cpp source file that shouldn't be too hard to recompile anywhere else. Dump machine code in with the m! command (for ex: " m! 0 1525c4" will dump INC (r5); DEC (r5); NOP into 'ram' starting at address 0 (A write cursor allows continuations in entry, another "m! c4c4c4" will write 3 NOP's starting a address 3 using the above example) and then three 't' commands will single-step execute the instructions (or a single "t 3" would have too). 'r' dumps registers at any point. and "m? address [count]" looks at memory. Thanks for the help! - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net > > >On Mon, 1 May 2000, Mike wrote: > >> Pretty funny.... Or I guess synchronistic, I guess. I just got my 1802 >> simulator past the first milepost tonight (It's two days old). It'll >> process all the Cosmac's instruction's, show registers, and deposit to and >> examine ram. >> >> I could use a few beta testers if you happen to know cosmac machine code. >> >> it's at: >> http://users.leading.net/~dogas/classiccmp/cosmac/cosmac.htm >> >> Tomorrow night, I'll add arbitrary ram block saves and loads from disk and a >> mini assember if things go fast. Eventally, I'll add a nice GUI to it and >> clean up the code that I'm muddling around with. >> >> Cheers >> - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: allisonp <allisonp(a)world.std.com> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:02 PM >> Subject: Re: COSMAC 1802 Simulator >> >> >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Kirk Davis <kbd(a)ndx.net> >> > >> > >> >>Ugh - I spent some time writing a 1802 simulator >> >>and wanted to get Tiny Basic going on it. I just went >> > >> > >> >That was poor planning. ;) >> > >> >>though my manuals and I have the Basic manual, but have >> >>seemed to lost the hex dump for the Basic Interpreter itself. >> > >> > >> >Well if someone else doesn't drop a box of stuff on you I have >> >Quest TB for the 1802 somewhere safe. I can zap a copy of >> >the dump. But you can't have the paper tape! >> > >> > >> >Allison >> > >> >

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ASR-33 manual online?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Am I just imagining that someone scanned the service manual and put it online? A search of my saved messages and web bookmarks revealed nothing... - John

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IBM PC parts

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Olminkhof <jolminkh(a)nsw.bigpond.net.au> wrote: > There was no 16-265k logic board. There was a 16-64k and a 64-256k > > What is the world coming to when collectors are having trouble locating > original PC cases and value 64-256k boards ?? Am I getting that old? They are still available occasionally at my local Volunteers Of America outlet - routinely $5 to $7, keyboard extra. I have one or two including one that is still performing its original duties from 1983 - a display terminal for a NorthWest Instruments 68000 bus analyzer. We threw a defective MFM drive on it (bad platter giving us reduced capacity) and slapped it and the NW box into a gutted VAX-11/725 case. It was very handy to wheel up to a test board and plug in... the mono monitor and full-sized keyboard fit on top of the former VAX without falling off. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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perkin-elmer/concurent manuals

by jdarren＠ala.net

I have several dozen original-issue Perkin-Elmer/Concurrent 3200-series hardware and software manuals for $8 each, plus $3 shipping per order. Anyone interested in receiving a list? If so, please e-mail directly. J. Darren Peterson

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What a weekend!

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>>Also got a a VERY complete HP 1000 including a 7905 disk drive with the >>disk pack still in it. Also found an entire gaylord of manuals for it. And >You found a grills ventilation system of manuals? (A Gaylord is a >ventilation system used above grills and deep fat fryers (mispent early >career as an electrician)) Well, I've spent enough time working on robotic warehouse systems at shipping and loading docks that I know that a Gaylord is a largish cardboard shipping container with a lid, usually used to hold a lot of smaller boxes :-). Tim.

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TRS-80 Model II Available in Madison, WI

by jfoust＠threedee.com

>-----Original Message----- >From: Joe Lecher > >Hey, would John be interested in a complete TRS-80 Model II? 8 meg hard >disk, plotter (uses ball point type pen), 8 1/2 " drive expansion unit with >two of three bays filled. Doesn't boot anymore, probably power supply. >Schnazzy in its day....... Oh hey software too! Mulitplan, Pickles & Trout >CP/M etc..... You know, the wife thing, been promising to ditch it....... If you're interested, contact me in private mail and I'll forward to the person who will forward it to the other person. - John

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Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article - Recycling computers

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Just noticed a new article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. A new recycling program started 2 weeks ago, and already they have quite a few computers (well, duh!). Anyways, here is a link, you can read teh article, and if you're in wisconsin, maybe you might want to start paying them a visit occasionally, and geting them used to interacting with collectors, maybe even talk them into saving certain kinds of hardware... who knows what you could accomplish with a brand new program like that. http://www.msnbc.com/local/WTMJ/36008.asp -Lawrence LeMay

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New Find 1st of the week

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today I picked up a working (notes the machine say so, not tested yet) PDP11/23+ in the rack with 2 RL02's, a MTI 8" FD unit with 2 drives, and digital unit with a small black face harddrive mounted in it. Everything is cabled marked as being working items, unit itself is pretty clean.

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Apple HS SCSI or RamFAST

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I want to replace my CMS SCSI card in my gs with a card that can handle CDs and ZIP disks. I know that either of these cards is rare, but does anyone have one they can part with? Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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Semi-Irregular PDP-10 archives plea for contributions

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

[The article below is a reply I wrote to a post in the Usenet group alt.sys.pdp10. I do feel that it may reach some additional audience here.] sjm wrote: > > <rant type="sarcastic"> > Your only hope is that one of the four-hundred-and-eighty ongoing > projects to write a PDP-10 emulator will eventually produce > something that compiles. At least a third of these projects are also > completely imaginary, so don't get your hopes up. Those that aren't > will be ready for (limited) public review under strict NDA within > eight years if current agressive development schedules are met. A good number of the emulator (simulator?) authors are a bit afraid that releasing their current source code would require that they support it. I'm of the other opinion - if they release their current source code (I don't care if it's GPL or not GPL, I do *not* want to get into that religious war!) then others will support it. What's really encouraging is that several of the authors of the DECUS freeware in the archives have wandered across the collection and told me that they appreciate seeing software that they used or wrote themselves, sometimes 30 or more years ago. > TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 software is available online thanks to Tim Shoppa > and some anonymous donors. You're welcome :-). It's nice to see that at least I - and both the anonymous and not-so-anonymous donors mentioned at the archive home page, http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ - come off as the good guys. We're really trying. I've seen some emulator progress mentioned here as a result of the sources being available and browsable, and that's a Good Thing. So far several hundred people have visited the archive site and downloaded or browsed through the software available, and that's a Good Thing too. > Plenty more would be, but the community > has largely, and very wisely, decided that it would be far better if > the existing software were allowed to mildew unsaved in basements. > This will preserve its purity so it is not touched by infidels. It really breaks my heart and pains me that so much software is out there just rotting away. Some of the current holders of the tapes don't understand that the tapes *are* still readable (sure, not everyone has 9-track and 7-track drives anymore, and not everyone has the ability to read and decode TOPS-10 BACKUP or TOPS-20 DUMPER tapes, but I do!), others don't understand that there is a wide interest in the software. There are some other organizations - such as computer museums - that probably don't understand the value of the tapes or disks they currently have in their collection. Many of these museums have members/volunteers that read this newsgroup, and I hope that those readers pay attemtion to my plea below. Thus I'll repeat my plea: If anyone has any PDP-10 software covered by the DEC 36-bit hobbyist license, please get it to me. I'll pay shipping both ways, and I'm an expert at archiving old data. Your tapes will be properly cared for, carefully read, and returned. If you want, you'll be thanked on the archive page for the stuff you provide, or if you prefer you can remain anonymous. Just don't let the software rot away! The best reference I can give is what I've done so far. Just look at http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ and you'll find hundreds of megabytes of PDP-10 software, preserved in both *exact* tape or disk image form and as browsable, human-readable files. Both commercial software covered by the DEC 36-bit hobbyist license and the DECUS 10- and 20- freeware collections are available there. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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OT: Test

by jhfine＠idirect.com

Testing - Please Ignore!

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(no subject)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

My Equipment recycler got in a couple of pieces of equipment that He thought the group might be interested in. 1) IBM 3370 Head of string in good condition with an ADIC? custom controller. 2)"Ultimate" Pick machine from about 1980. I think this is a PDP 11 based machine. This is an a rack with a large Hard Drive and 1/2" tape. Both are operational. Both would need freight shipment. We are experienced in shipping large units. If anyone is interested please contact me off list at whoagiii(a)aol.com. Paxton

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VAXstation 4000VLC

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I'm starting to hate SCSI :^) Possible problems: 2GB HD VAX Hobbyist V2 CD-ROM SCSI Cable Definite problem: The way the switches were set on the CD-ROM. The only thing I can think of is that somehow those switches got scrambled, not only was there the 512/2048-byte block problem I was fighting last night, but there were apparently termination problems. Anyway I've not got OpenVMS V7.1 loaded on a 1GB HD that came out of a Super Computer and am configuring it. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

26 years, 2 months

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VAX/VLC firmware upgrade?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hello All, I've got two VLCs, I'm running them both headless. They are connected to S1 and S2 of a VT340 terminal. One of them "loses" the terminal sometimes. If try typing nothing is echoed although I can still send stuff to the serial port from a process and it displays. Sometimes I can "fix" it by breaking to the chevron and then typing 'c' (continue). This happens on both VMS and NetBSD so I don't think it is a driver problem. The other VLC doesn't have any issues like this at all. The VLC that has no issues has Firmware 1.5, the one that has issues has Firmware 1.3. I'm wondering if there is a way to flash the firmware? I've got an EPROM programmer but I don't know if there are is anything else I need to do. --Chuck

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VAXstation 4000VLC

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>> Possible problems: >> 2GB HD > >Is it possible to use bigger than 1GB as system ? Don't know ... Yes you can buld bigger than 1gb. the problem if the VLC isn't aware was that if the system crashes under VMS it would use the BOOT ROM driver for the SCSI disk. For many of the 3100 series systems this meant if you used a disk larger than 1.07gb and it crashed it would over write the area that was in the 1st 1gb. if it never crashed it would run fine as the VMS driver that is loaded was large disk aware. Later systems that were SCSI had this fixed but I don't know about this one. The easy fix is to build a system using boud volumes with the smaller being under 1gb. Also reduce the swap to 5k blocks and put page and swap files on secondary drive where they can be any size. FYI: I only have one VAX that now has a 1gb disk, this has never been a problem for me and I run a lot of stuff in rather small disks. >7.1 or 7.2.1 ? IIRC, there were some issues before 7.2 with non dec drives >during install, but I'm not sure. Not that I know of for VAX. >Just for the heck of it, (Never installed VMS on a VLC before) i tried it >few hours before. >I took a TEAC CDROM + 1 GB Fujitsu Drive. Took me around 1 hour to logon in >DECWindows, without any problems. Not surprized. Enjoy! Allison

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Free (almost) to good home...

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

By 'Almost,' I meant just for postage ($3.20 Priority Mail). I have, still with the tape in its shrink-wrap, the 'Personal Application Kit' for the NEC PC-8201A portable. Got the manual with it as well. First one with an offer to cover postage gets it! Thanks. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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(Fwd) Re: VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion?

by ss＠allegro.com

(possible re-post, sorry...Pegasus aborted the first time) Re: > Anybody on these lists have the ability to digitize/convert video > from VHS tape (NTSC) to a computer-readable (MPG preferred, but AVI or > Quicktime would also work) format? If you look, you'll find that video capture devices range from cheap and lo-res (< $100 and about 150 pixels across) to mid-range ($200 to $300, about 250 to 300 pixels across) to expensive ($300+, about 300 to 640 (or more?) pixels across). There appear to be 4 basic interfaces: 1) USB 2) parallel port 3) backplane (i.e., card plugs into your system) 4) FireWire I found one low cost device in the mid-range performance category, made by Belkin. It's a USB device and cost me about $89. Not counting the cable, it's about the size of a pack of gum. Inputs: SVHS and regular RCA jack. The included software uses your sound card to get the audio. It captures to MPEG format. I'm not a video expert...but the quality seems acceptable to me. Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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IBM 3370 & Ultimate PDP availiable was (no subject)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Sorry for the repost but I forgot the subject line. My Equipment recycler got in a couple of pieces of equipment that he thought the group might be interested in. 1) IBM 3370 Head of string in very good condition with an ADIC? custom controller. 2) "Ultimate" Pick machine from about 1980. I think this is a PDP 11 based machine. This is an a rack with a large Hard Drive and 1/2" tape. I haven't seen either but if there is any interest I will get more info. Both are operational. Both would need freight shipment. We are experienced in shipping large units. If anyone is interested please contact me off list at whoagiii(a)aol.com. Paxton

26 years, 2 months

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Shugart 851 power problem

by bill＠chipware.com

Hi, I have a pair of 851s in a nice case with power supply. They are attached to a Cromemco 16FDC in an IMSAI box with a Cromemco ZPU and an Expandoram 64K board. I'm using the ROM enable on the 16FDC to drive the phantom line. There is a reason for these details... Here is the problem: #1 Power up the drives by themselves: At the drives: 5 volt line reads 4.9 -5 volt line reads -4.9 24 volt line reads 23.9 #2 Power up the IMSAI box: At the drives: 5 volt line reads 1.2 -5 volt line reads -0.9 24 volt line reads 2.6 and (needless to say) the drives don't work. The Cromemco ROM monitor gives all sorts of errors trying to access them. #3 Power off the IMSAI box: (Same as #1) #4 Power on the IMSAI box again: At the drives: 5 volt line reads 5.0 -5 volt line reads -5.0 24 volt line reads 24.0 and the drives work fine. What gives? Does this make sense to anybody out there?

26 years, 2 months

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follow up: 11/23+ question

by wrking＠tsoft.com

Thanks to the people who have responded. There is no suffix to the board number. M8189, that's it. I've looked really closely at the soldering of the UART socket. It has the same flow as the rest of the components, so I still think it was manufactured this way. I powered it up tonight and determined that the daughter card is the console port. I connected a terminal and it works as you would expect. The firmware seems to be standard 11/23+ 1.0 firmware. I think I'll just by a 6402 UART and replace the daughter card. Thanks again, Bill

26 years, 2 months

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COSMAC 1802 Simulator

by dogas＠leading.net

Pretty funny.... Or I guess synchronistic, I guess. I just got my 1802 simulator past the first milepost tonight (It's two days old). It'll process all the Cosmac's instruction's, show registers, and deposit to and examine ram. I could use a few beta testers if you happen to know cosmac machine code. it's at: http://users.leading.net/~dogas/classiccmp/cosmac/cosmac.htm Tomorrow night, I'll add arbitrary ram block saves and loads from disk and a mini assember if things go fast. Eventally, I'll add a nice GUI to it and clean up the code that I'm muddling around with. Cheers - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net -----Original Message----- From: allisonp <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:02 PM Subject: Re: COSMAC 1802 Simulator > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kirk Davis <kbd(a)ndx.net> > > >>Ugh - I spent some time writing a 1802 simulator >>and wanted to get Tiny Basic going on it. I just went > > >That was poor planning. ;) > >>though my manuals and I have the Basic manual, but have >>seemed to lost the hex dump for the Basic Interpreter itself. > > >Well if someone else doesn't drop a box of stuff on you I have >Quest TB for the 1802 somewhere safe. I can zap a copy of >the dump. But you can't have the paper tape! > > >Allison >

26 years, 2 months

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IBM MT/ST Commercial "The Paperwork Explosion"

by af-list＠wfi-inc.com

Hi all, Just received my previously-mentioned Raymond Scott "Manhattan Research" CD-Set/Book and it's incredible. Wow. On-topic, it has the soundtrack to an industrial film for the MT/ST from 1967. In there is Jim Henson's voice announcing, "Used systematically throughout an office, these two pieces of IBM equipment alone have increased people's productivity by 50%." If anyone is interested in hearing it, maybe I could post a couple of snippets as mp3 files or something...just let me know. Cheers, Aaron

26 years, 2 months

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FREE: Sun 3/280 chassis+rack AND 2 Fuji Eagle N2361's

by mid＠auk.cx

Real Sun 3/280 rack. Its probably more useful as a generic 19in rack than it is as a Sun3/280. Complete with fans and power distribution center (not real useful either -- requires 30A outlet). Also includes the 3/280 chassis/cardcage. Also, you get two Fuji Eagles (SMD). You must take these with the rack since 1) I have no where else to put them and 2) I have no where else to put them. (And don't forget 3) They're damned hard to lift straight off the floor.) I'll throw in the SMD controllers if you like. I'm not sure if I still have the original /280 boards, but I could probably find a /260 system board (same exact things) for you if you really really want to bring up the system. (Yes, it does boot off the Eagles. I don't recommend it. Especially in the Arizona summer.) SMD cables included (but you get to figure out the proper way to connect them). All this for free (or best offer!). The condition is that you get to pick them up from my home in Peoria, Arizona. And you have to have a truck thats big enough to haul them. (I hauled it home in a 1979 Chevy Suburban. Its not _too_ bad. Not a job for the for the small and weak, though.) Dimensions for reference: 24in x 36in x 78in. I'm not even going to guess on the weight. You probably want to haul the Eagles in the proper way if you want them to work when you're done. I even have pictures, for the patient: http://www.auk.cx/sun3/pics/280/ (Monitor and keyboard not included.) Please forward this to whoever you think might be interested. I don't want to keep it in my garage over the summer. It gets into and beyond the 120s out there. af --- Adam Fritzler { mid(a)auk.cx } http://www.auk.cx/~mid/

26 years, 2 months

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Thinkpad 720 AC adapter

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody know where I can find an AC adapter for a Thinkpad 720, or alternately, anyone who has older 486 Thinkpad(s) for sale *cheap* ? Thanks. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill(a)sunhelp.org | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+

26 years, 2 months

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COSMAC 1802 Simulator

by allisonp＠world.std.com

-----Original Message----- From: Kirk Davis <kbd(a)ndx.net> >Ugh - I spent some time writing a 1802 simulator >and wanted to get Tiny Basic going on it. I just went That was poor planning. ;) >though my manuals and I have the Basic manual, but have >seemed to lost the hex dump for the Basic Interpreter itself. Well if someone else doesn't drop a box of stuff on you I have Quest TB for the 1802 somewhere safe. I can zap a copy of the dump. But you can't have the paper tape! Allison

26 years, 2 months

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Personal App Kit: Claimed!

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

George Currie was the lucky(?) claimant, though Doug Salot came in a close second. Thanks, folks! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

26 years, 2 months

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Weird question, VAX VS4000/VLC

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>Now for my wierd VLC question. DKA700 ?!?!? Shouldn't a disk set to SCSI >ID #7 cause problems? VAXen with SCSI seem for reasons I've forgotten to be always set as host at 6 so a device at 0-5 and 7 are ok. It wasn't until I'd seen PC SCSI that i'd ever seen a host at 7! >step will be adding a 2GB HD (what the hey, it's the only thing bigger than >the RZ23L in it that will fit that I don't currently have in use), and >loading out VMS. I'm dying to see how DECwindows performs on this sucker! It hauls! Check on this, I think that machime may not have the problem but older SCSI vaxen have a limit of 1.07gb for the boot disk. Has to do with how VMS uses the boot rom driver if it has to do a core dump on crash. I run a VS3100M76 (7.8vup) and DW runs really well on it. Allison

26 years, 2 months

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Weird question, VAX VS4000/VLC

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I've got two VAX VS4000/VLC workstations, both with 24MB, one with a disk and one without. One takes two or three minutes to perform the memory test at power on and the other takes maybe 20 - 30 seconds. Any idea what could cause this descrepancy? --Chuck

26 years, 2 months

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Followup to: Can a Mac Portable battery be "trickle charged"?

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

Thanks to everyone for the interesting discussion on lead-acid batteries. I seem to have gotten lucky with my new Portable. After two days of charging at 300 mA, the Portable fires right up, and loads System 7.5 from the 40 meg internal HD. The system also has the Apple 3 MB RAM expansion installed, for a total of 4 MB RAM. No backlighting, though. The only side effect of being long-dead seems to be a fairly fast drain on the battery when the system is off and not plugged in to the adapter; I'll have to experiment to see if this is due to the system going into sleep mode rather than powering down completely, or whether the battery isn't holding it's charge. I'm still hunting for a Portable AC adapter and/or replacement battery locally; if I can't find one, I may contact one of the list members who indicated they may have one for sale or trade. Thanks to all. Regards, Mark Gregory

26 years, 2 months

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