- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got the following assortment of PDP-11 boards and CPUs that have been sitting around for a couple of months; I'd like to see them go to a good home. Trades preferred, altho I'm not looking to get much out of these, just would like to see them being used somehow. Marked on handle: Other markings/desc: ----------------------------------------------- M7270 KD11-H LSI-11 CPU 18-bit M7270 KD11-H LSI-11 CPU 18-bit M7270 KD11-H LSI-11 CPU 18-bit M8186 KDF11-AA 11/23 single board with MMU M8186 KDF11-AA 11/23 single board with MMU M9400-YE REV11-C 240ohm terminator, cable connector M9401 (connected to M9400 with ribbon cable) M8013 RLV11 RL01 disk drive controller (1 of 2) M8014 RLV11 RL01 disk drive controller (2 of 2) I've got some other cards as well, but this is all I can find for now. If anybody's interested in these, please let me know. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill(a)sunhelp.org | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+

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Some stuff already claimed

by af-list＠wfi-inc.com

Hi, To save you some typing, here's what's already spoken for: -> The BASIC Handbook, David Lien -> Problem Solving Principles for Basic Programmers, William Lewis -> Soul of CP/M, Waite -> CP/M Assembly Language Programming, Barbier -> CP/M and the Personal Computer, Dwyer -> CP/M Word Processing -> 68000 Assembly Language Programming, Leventhal Dilog SQ706A QBUS SCSI Card - $25 Emulex TC03 QBUS Pertec Controller - $10 DEC DEQNA Ethernet Card w/cable and manual - $10 DEC RQDX3 w/manual - $10 RT-11 v5.4B on RX50 floppy, complete distro - $10 Cheers, Aaron

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the latest virus

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

Hello, friends the pranksters strike again . . . Makes me appreciate havimg my Amiga. Gary Hildebrand

26 years, 2 months

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HP calculator thermal printheads (HP82143, etc)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 6, 11:54, technoid(a)cheta.net wrote: > In order to make fine traces with Nickel Print conductive paint I used > paper matches. Yeah, the kind you light your Camels with. > > Cut the base of the match off at a 45' angle. This gives you a nice point > and the paper holds enough paint to make a halfway decent brush. They are > only good for a trace or two so have a full pack handy. I find a good-quality No.2 artist's brush (not smaller) will have a very fine point and do an excellent job. > I've used tape to cover the traces but when you peel the tape up you peel > the traces with it. The scalpel approach works pretty well but leaves > ugly traces and is hard to do once the paint is dry. I use the matches > and the scalpel together in real-time so I'm scraping at wet paint. I perhaps have an advantage in that I learnt to retouch photographic negatives (and prints) with a scalpel and retouching brush. PCB traces are easy by comparision. You don't try to scratch through in one go; rather try to gradually pare down to the substrate. > >Ugh, that is exact same thing what I did many times in my retired > >compaq LTE 386s/20 on one of two keyboard cable. Is there a better > >quality kind than this conductive paint I got? Then name one! I don't know what kind you've got :-) The kind I use is silver-loaded, and seems to stick well, and work well. It's made in the U.K. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Stragglers to that last post...

by af-list＠wfi-inc.com

I forgot the following, pick-up only: Sparc 1 - free SparcPrinter - free (2) Sun 3/50's, 1 working w/12 megs ram, one flat and one dimple top, 1 kbd/mouse set - free Sun type 5 keyboard - $10 Sun Type 4 mouse ("sticky") - $5 Thanks, Aaron

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value of RK05

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>>First thing I have to do is another 4k of core, the 4k I have is not >>quite enough to work in. The alternate is to make a RAM card >>using 32kx8 parts. > >Ooh, two parts and you're done :-). (Sorry, couldn't resist. Of >course most of the cost is getting the gold-plated fingers on the PCB, >in my experience!) Not quite, you still need bus interface and buffering. I havent looked at PDP-8 memory interface to see how and what. I have one or two PDP11 proto/ww cards that with careful cuts for power and ground will work fine for omnibus. The trick is doing battery backup so it also behaves something like core. ;) Allison

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Space exploration stuff (with an old computer tie-in)

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

>Hmm... >While everyone is mentioning all these musuems that feature things like an >Apollo capsule, etc. I had to >wonder if there are any musuems which >contain an Agena >space vehicle (could be misspelled) or some kind of > >Skylab mock-up. I'm asking because my dad wrote some of >the programs >which ran Skylab, and he helped design the >Agena space vehicle, back in >the late 60's when he >worked for Lockheed Missiles and then Martin >Marietta. >He used a CDC-3400 at Lockheed and a CDC-6500 (I >believe, 6000 >series at any rate) at Martin... When I >first got interested in old >computers I heard more than >a few stories about SCOPE and COMPASS, and >SNOBOL, >though he used SNOBOL in 1970 at Tymshare on the SDS 940 >and >later on the XDS Sigma 7. He also did COMPASS >programming on CSU's >CDC-6600 in 1972, which they used >to teach assembly language programming. >For all the >DECheads on the list, he also worked on Tymshare's > >DECsystem-10's and 20's when they were brand-new; they >were what >replaced the SDS 940. > >Will J Well, I know that Space Center Houston/JSC in Houston has a mock-up (not quite life size) of Skylab. A bit of trivia: the Skylab itself was really nothing more than a Saturn 5 Third Stage that had been fitted with all the equipment. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Space exploration stuff (with an old computer tie-in)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hmm... While everyone is mentioning all these musuems that feature things like an Apollo capsule, etc. I had to wonder if there are any musuems which contain an Agena space vehicle (could be misspelled) or some kind of Skylab mock-up. I'm asking because my dad wrote some of the programs which ran Skylab, and he helped design the Agena space vehicle, back in the late 60's when he worked for Lockheed Missiles and then Martin Marietta. He used a CDC-3400 at Lockheed and a CDC-6500 (I believe, 6000 series at any rate) at Martin... When I first got interested in old computers I heard more than a few stories about SCOPE and COMPASS, and SNOBOL, though he used SNOBOL in 1970 at Tymshare on the SDS 940 and later on the XDS Sigma 7. He also did COMPASS programming on CSU's CDC-6600 in 1972, which they used to teach assembly language programming. For all the DECheads on the list, he also worked on Tymshare's DECsystem-10's and 20's when they were brand-new; they were what replaced the SDS 940. Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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I wrote 'Nuke Redmond'

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Just to make this clear... I was not even trying to say in any way, shape, or form that microsoft products are "perfect" or the best or anything like that. I would find it hard to believe any app with more than oh 20 or so (arbitrary figure) lines of code can possibly be perfect... that's why stuff like Sun saying "oh there's x thousand bugs in Win 2K" kinda irritates me, because there are probably about that many in Solaris also. Or in any complex O/S for that matter. Heck, even IBM admitted that there were bugs in OS/390 recently, and that's a pretty staggering thing for IBM to admit that one of their mainframe operating systems has bugs... While I agree with people who say we deserve bug-free software, I am realistic enough to understand that bug-free software is a pretty impossible goal.. I'm happy if the vendor has the guts to admit when there are problems and then go and fix them... That's one of the things that DEC always had going for them, was that they were good at admitting problems and then fixing them. And there aren't any operating systems around without bugs.. Finally, the main reason I use microsoft products on my PC is that they support about every strange, random peripheral that I can pull out of some dusty cranny in the warehouse and the damn thing will actually WORK! This of course is also one of the reasons for a lot of the various problems that can occur, but I think if you're expecting total perfection on a PC, you're not being realistic. The very nature of windows, linux, and any other PC operating system works against reliability. What I mean is that the hardware and software are not >from the same vendor, so they aren't nearly as tightly integrated as they could be. That's why VMS for example is much more robust than windows... DEC designed the hardware, built the hardware, then wrote the operating system to work as closely as possible with the hardware. And because they built + designed the hardware in-house, they naturally had a far better idea of how it all worked and how to make the operating system fully utilize the hardware. And finally, for the record, the reason I dislike MacOS is not because its unreliable, its just because I hate how difficult it makes it to unistall programs and to add drives for new hardware. And I know that I might just not know something important, but I did RTFM and read about everything on Apple's website, so please don't think I'm just Apple-bashing. Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Market value of minicomputers...

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hmm.. So if common stuff like 11/35's are worth in excess of $6,000... does this mean I ought to start looking for a buyer for my extra Interdata 7/32C? Circa 1973, world's first 32-bit minicomputer, 750ns cycle, up to one meg of core, currently has 256k and 80MB of 14" winchester.. Far less common than an 11/35.. and more powerful too. And no, I'm not serious about selling it... since I didn't pay anything for it, I don't see how I could justify expecting to get money for it.. But that's my extra-weird opinion, one of those things that really isn't explainable or anything like that. Though I personally dislike the idea of them actually being *worth* something, the very fact that mini's have accquired value is a great help toward keeping them from being scrapped and vanishing from the earth... As for RK05's, I know a guy who can sell them for $5K each, but that doesn't mean I want to sell mine. I don't believe that all 11/34's were shipped with RL01/02's either, since mine is equipped with dual RK05's, which are both the same vintage as the machine. Also, if anyone wants an 8/A, complete and probably working, I saw a company who has one in inventory for like $500, far more than I'd pay, but if anyone's interested, e-mail me and I'd be happy to give you the info, and no, I have no relation to the company thats selling it nor do I stand to profit. Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Couple of cool HP 110/150 finds

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 06:50 PM 5/3/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Joe >Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 1:12 PM >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: Couple of cool HP 110/150 finds > > >>HP-IB ABC switch (92205Y) Used to chain up to 21 external HP-IB devices >>(have you seen one of these before, Joe?) > > I have one but it looks about like one of the standard RS-232 switch >boxs and it only switchs between four (i think!) sets of HP-IB cables. > >Well, it does have three HP-IB connectors but since you can daisy chain the >IB devices, wouldn't that mean that you could have seven chained devices per >port? If memory serves, my box has five HP-IB connectors. One is common and the other four are swtiched. In theory, the HP-IB can have up to 32 devices per bus but many of the devices only have three binary switch postitions on the address switches so you can only set them for addresses 0 through 7. > > > >>HP Series 100 Communicator Volumes 7-12 (very cool) > > Now those are unusual. I have two volumes but I've never been able to >find any more of them. Where did you find them? > >What? You're asking me to give up my most productive source of free or very >cheap vintage hardware. I'll give you a hint... it's the coolest vintage >computer store in Seattle. That doesn't help me any. I'm still on the opposite end of the country. Joe > >These books are great! What a wealth of photos and information. > >Volume 7 (1983) =International Edition. Introduces the HP150. >Volume 8 (1984) =World Wide Edition. Lotus 123. >Volume 9 (1984) =World Wide Edition. General, no specific topic. >Volume 10(1984) =WWE. Local area networking with HP computers. >Volume 12(1985) =Touchscreen II. > >Ernest > >

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value of RK05

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>First thing I have to do is another 4k of core, the 4k I have is not >quite enough to work in. The alternate is to make a RAM card >using 32kx8 parts. Ooh, two parts and you're done :-). (Sorry, couldn't resist. Of course most of the cost is getting the gold-plated fingers on the PCB, in my experience!) Tim.

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

>I definitely have RX8E prints so if you don't already, let me know if you >want a copy. There's not much to the board at all, the parts that actually >*do* anything are dwarfed by the drivers/receivers/selection stuff. I can't seem to find the ones I thought I had. If you could copy them that would be a help. At some point I want to do an IDE to omnibus interface, looks pretty simple if one is a willing to take advantage of the 16 bit wide IDE data (yes it wastes 4bits per 16bit word). First thing I have to do is another 4k of core, the 4k I have is not quite enough to work in. The alternate is to make a RAM card using 32kx8 parts. Allison

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Applicon Main Frame Item #320691939 on eBay

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

There is no photo, and here's the description: "Applicon Mainframe For sale. Must be moved from current location. Consists of one PDP11 Processor, reel to reel tape backup unit, 200 megabyte memorex removable platter hard drive, 4 autocad terminals with green crts. System was once owned by Fisher Motorbody and used to design car bodies. System is two 6 ft tall standard 19" racks and the external hard drive unit. Each terminal is a build in desk unit with the monitor mounted on a pole in the back and sitting one foot above the desk area. Unit must be moved for the space. Shipping must be paid by the buyer. Best offer and take it away." There's only one bid for $10.00, no reserve, and the auction ends in about 8 hours. Does this sound like something that would be worth driving a little over 300 miles to pick up? The PDP11 description leaves a lot to the imagination. Does anyone know which PDP11 was used by Applicon? Bill Dawson Washington, PA whdawson(a)mlynk.com <mailto:whdawson@mlynk.com> ?

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HP 3000/925 available <where?>

by ss＠allegro.com

Mike "biting the hand that feeds him" Ford writes: > >> I have this old HP 3000 that is gathering dust. > > I think the rule we should make is that anyone posting anything weighing > more than 2 lbs without giving the location agrees to pay shipping. ;) Whilst I agree that I should have taken the extra few minutes or so of time it would have required to email the "giver" and ask "where" to benefit the would-be "givee", it's pretty obvious to anyone thinking about it for a bit that I shouldn't shout my "mea culpa" very loudly. I've now emailed Griff to ask him ... and I'll post any reply I get. BTW, I have no idea how the @#$%^ text got so screwed up...it looked fine in Pegasus :) It was probably MIME/rich/some-such, and I've noticed infrequent problems with that kind of text. Sorry! Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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HP calculator thermal printheads (HP82143, etc)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 5, 23:25, Tony Duell wrote: > I have an HP82143 printer (the HP41 dedicated printer) with a broken > printhead. > > Today I found an 'HP Digest' with an article about these printers. > Aparently the conductors on the printhead are aluminium, which explains > why I couldn't (and still can't) solder to them. And none of the normal > tricks for soldering aluminium (like : Put a drop of oil on it, scrape > the oxide layer off under the oil, immediately try to tin it with solder) > work on this thin film. > > Has anyone here managed to mend a printhead like this? No, but could you use silver-loaded conductive paint? That's what we used to use to repair the printed tracks on membrane keyboards (including Sinclair ZX keyboards). I've used it for a few similar things, and at least one type can be soldered to, with care, after curing. I used to buy it in 3g bottles from R.S., part no 555-156, current stock number apparently is 186-3593 or 101-5621, costs just over a fiver. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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HP calculator thermal printheads (HP82143, etc)

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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COMDEX Show Guides

by cisin＠xenosoft.com

The fall (Las Vegas) Comdex show guide is about 500 pages of slick material. It has contact info for exhibitors in the form of company name, address, phone number, and a sentence or two of hype identifying their products for over 1000 companies. It's a good way to find companies (as kind of a worldwide yellow pages), or to keep track of who was around and when. One copy is free to anyone attending AT Comdex; sometimes it's easy, sometimes hard, to get extras. Interface Group used to sell them by mail for about $75 I have some extras to get rid of from most of the Fall Comdex's since 86. $1 each (pickup here); or $5 each including shipping; or will trade a dozen for the 1984 one. -- Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com 2210 Sixth St. (510) 644-9366 Berkeley, CA 94710-2219

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value of RK05

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>> Also, is it next to impossible to get the rx8e needed to hook the Rk05's >> to a PDP8/e? > >I think you're mixing up two options here. The thread did. John W mentioned the RX8e and I commented on that. He may have meant the RK8E. >The RX8e is a single card to link RX01 and RX02 units to the Omnibus. I know. >The RK8e is a 3 board set and a cable with a paddleboard on the end to >link RK05 drives to the Omnibus. Also known. >My luck seem to indicate that the RK8e is more common than the RX8e (in >that I was given 3 RK8es and had to buy an RX8e for real money :-(), but >that may not be typical. Same here! I'd like to get a RX8E or RX28E to use with my RX02. Allison

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Enough with the MS bashing, please

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>If you've got Samba running on a unix server, and a Samba-exported >filesystem is mounted on some lame Windows box, and a lame Windows user >decides to activate this Microsoft-enabled virus, then sure, Microsoft >lameness can infect non-MS systems to some extent. No surprize. W9x filesystems (FAT16/32) have no real protections save for the samba box validating the connecting host has permissions. It's nature of the filesystem. NTFS is slightly better as the ganularity of control is like unix in that can restrict what is done with the file (readonly for example). Allison

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Enough with the MS bashing, please

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>This made me think of the possibility that the I Love You virus could affect >other systems. Does the virus only rename files on the host drive or can it Loveletter can't. There are worms/virus out there that can. If a network drive (regardless of the host OS) has an open point of attach say like a fileserver that accessable point is vunerable though it's limited byt the OS how far that can extend to. I looked at Linux/samba and that would be limited to what samba provided to the network so the OS would be safe(unless there was overlap) but you could lose a lot of data. Allison

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[KULUA] Nightline (fwd)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> I'm not sure I'd agree completely. I believe one of the OS' >responsibilities is SYSTEM security. As I sit here hammering away >on my SGI, there's absolutely nothing Netscape can do to compromise >the OS or the machine, other than my little corner of it and anything >I have permissions to write to. We can't say the same about Windoze. Yep but windoes (8x that is) is basiclly like running from your superuser account. Would NS be as safe for the system there? This is a fundemental problem of the dos/win3.1/win9x series, they operate with few if any protections. There are other OSs where this is the case as well. Do I like it no, but W95 alone is hard to hurt from on the net add IE5.0 and thats a whole can of worms. Allison

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VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody on these lists have the ability to digitize/convert video >from VHS tape (NTSC) to a computer-readable (MPG preferred, but AVI or Quicktime would also work) format? I've got the official Sun video tape of the SPARCstation 10 product announcement from '92, and I'd like to be able to put it up on the SunHELP historical-product archives.... Thanks. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill(a)sunhelp.org | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+

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paging Derek Peschel

by west＠tseinc.com

Derek, please contact me via email at jlwest(a)tseinc.com (not my normal address) regarding the list server, can't seem to find your personal email address for list server updates. Others - please excuse the bandwidth intrusion! Jay West

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[KULUA] Nightline (fwd)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 5, allisonp(a)world.std.com wrote: > As IT people I'd say it's wise to consider that security is not an OS only > responsability. I'm not sure I'd agree completely. I believe one of the OS' responsibilities is SYSTEM security. As I sit here hammering away on my SGI, there's absolutely nothing Netscape can do to compromise the OS or the machine, other than my little corner of it and anything I have permissions to write to. We can't say the same about Windoze. I could go on and on about this, but we're all experienced professionals here...you see the point I'm driving at. -Dave McGuire

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[KULUA] Nightline (fwd)

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

-----Original Message----- From: Gary Hildebrand <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, May 05, 2000 1:16 PM Subject: [KULUA] Nightline (fwd) >Hello group, > >Here's something we all knew already, but we need to educate the brainwashed >masses about Microslop . . . Last sentence says it all. > > >*** FORWARDED MESSAGE *** > Original author: trp0 > Written on: 05-May-00 >*** Beginning of forwarded message *** > <some of forwarded message snipped> > Seems to my like a large majority of even the standard >viruses live in the MS realm. Wouldn't it strike you as a little alarming >if the product you are turning out is the target of so many easily >constructed destructive programs because of the way your product is >designed and implemented? > I think the first sentence is a bit disingenuous. Microsoft is the target of the large majority of standard viruses because the majority of virus writers (and everyone else) use Microsoft products. If a platform is sufficiently popular, some loser will write viruses for it. It seems to me that some of the smug "my Macintosh/Amiga/etc wasn't bothered by this" messages I've seen are forgetting that in their heyday, the Amiga/Mac/etc. had as many viruses problems as the PC. What Microsoft should get blasted for is not fixing the gaping security holes in any VBScript-enabled program after Melissa et al. demonstrated how vulnerable they are. Ob. ClassicComp content: At least when the Great Worm of 1988 blasted the Internet, the Unix community by and large fixed the security holes in sendmail that it exposed. What the Internet community has to figure out is how to fix the TCP/IP protocols so volume-related attacks (mass e-mails, denial of service attacks) can't cripple big parts of the infrastructure. Imagine how e-commerce companies fared yesterday, when thousands of companies turned off all of their Net access, including email and browsers. If e-commerce is the future, there needs to be a more reliable Net for it to run on. Just my 2 cents. Mark

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Apple IIc - contact original poster

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

Contact Bernie directly, not me. -ethan -------- From: "Bernie Jalbert" <bernjal(a)starlinx.com> Subject: Apple IIc Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:56:55 -0400 Plese post this on the cIassiccmp list. I have available an Apple IIc computer and an Apple Scribe printer with a new ribbon. The software that goes with it includes Bank Street Writer, Bank Street Filer and a spreadsheet program. I am located in Richboro, PA (in Bucks County, north of Philadelphia). My e-mail address is bernjal(a)starllinx.com ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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Watch for "ILOVEYOU" loveletter.VBS bug

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>Whoa...hold your fire..... while I haven't seen this particular beastie, my >BlackIce Defender just set off an alarm for an attack attempt with the The LOVELETTER worm is real, my partners site is hammered by it. I got a copy of it today on the shell account <where it's harmless> and it likely can hurt me much if at all on the NTbox (you need those virus/worm/trogan helpers like active-x). No a desktop system at work does not need active-x nor does it need hotmail/instant-messenger (or chat, netmeeting to name a few more). Allison

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Classic Computer Stuff

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

For Sale anouncements are appropriate for the list eBay auction advertisement is considered SPAM Francois

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paging John Ott

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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Plextor CD writers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 4, 1:50, Chuck McManis wrote: > I tried to duplicate the bootable VMS 7.1 CD on my Sony CD-R drive and it > didn't work. (Using Adaptec EZ CD creator's "Clone" facility) So I guessed > it was the block size issue. > --Chuck More likely just a format that EZ CD can't read -- it understands ISO-9660, RockRidge extensions, and Joliet extensions, but I suspect the VMS CD (like most Solaris, IRIX, etc) isn't ISO format. If you have access to a unix/linux box, try reading it with 'dd' (that's how I copy Solaris, Mac HFS, IRIX EFS/XFS, etc). As several others have said, all data mode CDs have 2048-byte "sectors" on the physical medium (2352 bytes if audio). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Lyons, Elliot, GEC, ICL, et al.

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

OK, for what its worth; Lyons Brothers built the LEO because they wanted to computerize their business, but they couldn't find anyone selling commercial machines, so they went ahead and built their own. LEO, by the way, stands for Lyons Electronic Office. The LEO was actually completed in early 1951, and other companies heard about it and wanted it, so Lyons suddenly were in the computer business. Most people don't know this, but the LEO is the first commercial computer, it beat UNIVAC I to market by several months. Lyons Brothers, Elliot Automation, English Electric, Marconi, ICT, and GEC are all related, not to mention ICL. In 1969, Marconi, GEC, Elliot Automation, and English Electric merged to form Marconi Elliot Computer Systems Ltd., which kept selling the various dissimilar lines (there is some mention of AEI also being a part of this). In 1970 or 71, the company became known as GEC Computers Ltd., and some parts (I don't know what ones for sure), were combined with ICT to form ICL. Basically, GEC Computers Ltd. was all of the real-time systems, and ICL was all the data-processing systems. Somehow Lyons Brothers fits into this picture also, I'm just not sure how. ICL was first bought by an English electronics company called STC plc in 1984, then Fujitsu bought 80% of ICL in 1990. Later Nortel bought STC and then in 1998 Fujitsu bought the other 20% of ICL from Nortel. As a side note, Fujitsu also owns all of Amdahl, having excercised their option to buy the rest of the company, since as you probably know, they put up the money to start Amdahl and as such always owned a large chunk of it. I think GEC has subsided back into Marconi, but I'm not sure, the whole ICL and GEC story is a huge mess really. I hope you don't mind me taking the chance to give you more info about them than you probably wanted. BTW, I know Elliot Brothers (later Elliot Automation) dates back to 1795, and I'm fairly sure some of the other companies involved are that age or older. If anyone has more info I'd like to hear it, I have info on a bunch of models of ICL/GEC/Elliot/English Electric machines too. I'd most like to know more about ICT... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Classic Computer Stuff

by SWMORETP＠aol.com

Don't know if for sale posts are OK. I'm a newbie to this group. If it isn't I won't do it again. We sell Classic Computer Stuff on eBay We specialize in Apple II and III computers, hardware, software and accessories but have sold a Mac 128, TRS-80 Model 4D, Osborne 1 plus software and hardware for Osborne, Morrow, TRS-80, Lisa etc as well as old MS-DOS (we have 1.1 up for auction now), old Windows software etc. Your name - SOFTWARE & MORE E-mail address - SWMoreTP(a)aol.com Web page URL - eBay Auctions: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=swmoretp@a…. com Web page URL - Collectible Software: http://members.aol.com/SWMoreTP/Collectiblesoftware.html Country, and state or province if in the USA or Canada.- California Real address - 7250 Aubrun Blvd #154, Citrus Heights, California Computers of interest - Apple II, III, Mac 128, Lisa Geographical area covered - Everywhere Transport and storage capabilities HERE IS A LIST OF THE AUCTIONS I HAVE POSTED SO FAR THIS WEEK: dBASE II Ver. 2.3b for Osborne in the Box 323665858 $6.99 - - 1 - May-02-00 May-09-00 20:33:17 5d 10h 44m Rainbow 100, DECmate II etc. Guide by Digital 323669372 $3.99 - - 1 - May-02-00 May-09-00 20:36:22 5d 10h 47m TRS-80 OS-9 Pascal in the Box. 323672648 $4.99 $4.99 - 1 1 May-02-00 May-09-00 20:39:05 5d 10h 49m Xerox 820 Diagnostic Exerciser 8" Diskette 323675905 $3.99 $3.99 - 1 1 May-02-00 May-09-00 20:41:59 5d 10h 52m Fast Load Cartridge for Commodore 64 323684666 $3.99 - - 1 - May-02-00 May-09-00 20:50:01 5d 11h 0m Osborne 1 User's Reference Guide by Osborne 323686761 $5.99 - - 1 - May-02-00 May-09-00 20:52:08 5d 11h 2m Apple III Serial Card Made by Apple 323689340 $4.99 $4.99 - 1 1 May-02-00 May-09-00 20:54:20 5d 11h 5m 3 Adam Computer Manuals 324434358 $3.99 - - 1 - May-03-00 May-10-00 20:04:31 6d 10h 15m Apple Advertising Video Tape in the Box 324438139 $4.99 - - 1 - May-03-00 May-10-00 20:08:02 6d 10h 18m Apple II/Plus Language Card by Apple in Box 324451342 $8.99 - - 1 - May-03-00 May-10-00 20:20:16 6d 10h 31m 1984 Adventure Game Book with Clues, Maps etc 322080858 $8.00 $8.50 - 1 3 Apr-30-00 May-10-00 20:46:27 6d 10h 57m Apple IIe Error Advertising Booklet by Apple 322086524 $6.00 - - 1 - Apr-30-00 May-10-00 20:51:26 6d 11h 2m Ultima I for Apple II NEW in the Box 322090517 $9.99 $71.50 - 1 22 Apr-30-00 May-10-00 20:56:09 6d 11h 7m Very Collectible MacCharlie for Macintosh 128 322095879 $9.99 $11.50 - 1 4 Apr-30-00 May-10-00 21:01:27 6d 11h 12m Macintosh 128 Motherboard in the Box 322100160 $7.99 $22.27 - 1 7 Apr-30-00 May-10-00 21:06:12 6d 11h 17m MS-DOS 1.1 in the Box 322102357 $9.99 $10.99 - 1 3 Apr-30-00 May-10-00 21:09:11 6d 11h 20m TRS-80 VAR/80 Telesis Interface 322849186 $5.99 $5.99 - 1 1 May-01-00 May-11-00 20:38:27 7d 10h 49m Intel Single Board Computer 80/10, 1975! 322852592 $4.99 $22.50 - 1 7 May-01-00 May-11-00 20:41:36 7d 10h 52m Apple II Transwarp Accelorator Card by AE 322857405 $9.99 $19.00 - 1 6 May-01-00 May-11-00 20:46:26 7d 10h 57m Apple II Clone: Franklin Ace 1000 New in Box 322860352 $9.99 $10.50 - 1 3 May-01-00 May-11-00 20:49:20 7d 11h 0m Thank you, Tony & Paula SWMoreTP(a)aol.com SOFTWARE & MORE

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card punch available

by staylor＠mrynet.com

> I just noticed that there is a card punch machine available here in > Minneapolis if someone wants to come and get it. I didnt pay attention > to the exact model, but its one of the 'old' ones, ie, its definitely > not the one with the LED display in the keyboard. > > Anyways, if you want it you would probably have to pick it up next week before > it goes to the recycling center. And you would have to let them know > you want it, and arrange for a time to pick it up. > > -Lawrence LeMay > lemay(a)cs.umn.edu Hi, Lawrence, I'm originally from L.A. and relocating back here to Minneapolis to my birthplace. Your email prompted me to write and ask: Where are the good places here to search out surplus/used equipment? I'm generally in the market for DEC and HP old stuff. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, -skots -- Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor(a)mrynet.com MRY Systems staylor(a)mrynet.lv (Skots Gregorijs Akmentins-Teilors -- just call me "Skots") ----- Labak miris neka sarkans -----

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Plextor CD writers

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 11:58:29PM -0000, Eric Smith wrote: >> The problem with direct CD to CD-R copy is that the OS, device driver, >> and even the CD-ROM drive do not have any reliable way to know how many >> sectors there are on the source disc, unless they can rely on file >> system data, i.e., the ISO 9660 header. If the disc isn't 9660, you'd >> need some other way to tell. >FWIW, my Panasonic CW-7502 CD-R drive gives a correct size in response to >a SCSI "READ CAPACITY" command. Are you saying that most drives don't >support this? The drive supports it, but the OS may not. For instance, whenever I want to image a CD under Linux, I dd if=/dev/cdrom of=wherever.dsk bs=2048, and it always ends with an error after it runs past the end of the disk. (And there are errors logged to the console, too, showing that it failed trying to read the nonexistent sector numbers.) Happens with several different CD-ROM and CD-R drives, all of which *do* report actual device sizes correctly. Of course, if you bypass the stupid Linux device driver that doesn't know any better and bang on the CD directly, you may not have that problem. Or if you switch to a real OS. This is RedHat 6.0 and 6.1, with various Adaptec SCSI host adapters and the "stock" Linux drivers. Maybe you have a NCR-based host adapter and the drivers there are smart enough not to run off the end? -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Watch for "ILOVEYOU" loveletter.VBS bug

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 4, Nick Oliviero wrote: > As far as the micro$lop, soon as I find a -500au my Aptiva is history. How much are they going for these days? -Dave McGuire

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perkin/elmer & concurrent books

by therunk17＠earthlink.net

I would like copy of the list. See our site at www.osfn.org/ricm Ron ---------- From: "jdarren" <jdarren(a)ala.net> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: perkin/elmer & concurrent books Date: Thu, May 4, 2000, 5:47 PM One person asked for a list of the p-e/ccc books I have. I lost the message. Please contact me again. So sorry!

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Lisa Faceplate

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Did anyone else catch the Lisa 1 faceplate on eBay going for over $200 for just one piece of plastic ? Something is wrong with this picture.

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Watch for "ILOVEYOU" loveletter.VBS bug

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 4, Bill Pechter wrote: > > May 4 11:46:16 srv1 sendmail[4958]: LAB04956: usgate.e-mail.com.: SMTP DATA-2 protocol error: 570 Rejected.Potential ILOVEYOU virus. > > OK -- how do you do the sendmail virus filter. I've got to do this at > work. This one was standard functionality in release 8.9.3... -Dave McGuire

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OT: Test

by jhfine＠idirect.com

>Mike Ford wrote: > >Testing - Please Ignore! > > Three of these messages have shown up on the list, what are you testing? Jerome Fine replies: I am attempting to find out why I am not receiving any classiccmp mail. Since I presume that you are, either my ISP is blocking the mail or I have been dropped from the list. Anyway I can find out? If I have been dropped, how do I subscribe? I was on the old list and never subscribed to the new list as I was transferred over. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine

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Plextor CD writers

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>To copy an audio CD is more involved, mainly because it's impossible to >guarantee that you get exactly the right "sectors" in exactly the right >order from the original (a consequence of the way frames are labelled in >CD-DA format). Tools like cdparanoia solve that by reading overlapping >sections, and doing a lot of sliding comparisons to build up an accurate >copy (it creates a WAV file for every track). That's why simpler methods >often produce copies that don't sound exactly the same, though some CD-ROM >readers do a pretty good job at getting a clean audio stream, especially in >conjuction with software like readcdda or cdda2wav. I've only used it a few times, but "cdparanoia" is a damn good tool for what it does. Excellent at reporting error correction levels necessary for reading the audio CD, too. Tim.

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Plextor CD writers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 4, 16:55, Bill Pechter wrote: > > On May 4, 1:50, Chuck McManis wrote: > > > > > I tried to duplicate the bootable VMS 7.1 CD on my Sony CD-R drive and it > > > didn't work. (Using Adaptec EZ CD creator's "Clone" facility) So I > > guessed > > > it was the block size issue. I wrote: > > More likely just a format that EZ CD can't read -- it understands ISO-9660, > > RockRidge extensions, and Joliet extensions, but I suspect the VMS CD (like > > most Solaris, IRIX, etc) isn't ISO format. If you have access to a > > unix/linux box, try reading it with 'dd' (that's how I copy Solaris, Mac > > HFS, IRIX EFS/XFS, etc). > I believe the newest Adaptec EZ-CD can't do non-ISO or Audio stuff... > > I think that the Linux and Unix stuff can... > > Bill The unix software to write audio CDs normally does so from WAV or AIFF (or AIFC) files; cdrecord, cdwrite, and WriteCD all do that. (Those are the only basic writers I know of; software like xcdroast are just frontends to one of the base writers, usually cdrecord). All of them also handle any image file; you'd normally use mkisofs to create an ISO-9660 image file containing whatever you want to write (mkisofs can also include RockRidge or Joliet extensions, can build TRANS.TBL entries for MESSDOS, and can create bootable CDs using El Torito); or use mkhybrid to create a hybrid ISO/HFS filesystem readable on a Mac; or use software like mkefs to create an IRIX bootable EFS CD. To copy a data CD, rather than create an image from a bunch of files, the easiest way is often to use dd. However, on a lot of systems, cdrecord (and probably cdwrite) can read the CD directly via the O.S. To copy an audio CD is more involved, mainly because it's impossible to guarantee that you get exactly the right "sectors" in exactly the right order from the original (a consequence of the way frames are labelled in CD-DA format). Tools like cdparanoia solve that by reading overlapping sections, and doing a lot of sliding comparisons to build up an accurate copy (it creates a WAV file for every track). That's why simpler methods often produce copies that don't sound exactly the same, though some CD-ROM readers do a pretty good job at getting a clean audio stream, especially in conjuction with software like readcdda or cdda2wav. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Watch for "ILOVEYOU" loveletter.VBS bug

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 4, 15:00, allisonp(a)world.std.com wrote: > > It's an email worm that takes advantage of MS Active-x controls. > > This is a wide spreading fast mover and packs a payload. > > Locally several companies have reported it and it was only launched > less than a day ago. > > WWW.f-secure.com has details. We've already had one hard drive wiped out by it :-( -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Cincinatti Milacron

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Ah yes, the Cincinatti Milacron. Now that is a truly unusual beast... I'd bet you could probably find one pretty easily, it would just cost you something like $10,000 however. The reason being is that Cincinatti Milacron was formerly known as the Cincinatti Milling Machine Co., and they are known for their machine tools, I think mostly lathes and the like (lathes for steel, not wood). At any rate, in about 1970 or '71, they decided to computerize their milling machines, but they didn't want to use just someone else's mini (i.e., a PDP-11 for example), so they designed their own. The first model was not actually designed by them, it was a General Automation I think, I can't remember. However, all later machines were inhouse designs. They're all 16-bits, can't remember too much else though. I got this info out of circa 1968-1973 or so vintage copies of "Datamation". Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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NeXT Cube for sale

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

Greetings. A lack of space and financial issues are forcing me to part with an original NeXT Cube system. This is a system that I recently paid Real Money for, so unfortunately it's not a freebie. I thought I'd give the list first crack at it. If I don't get any interest in a week, to eBay it goes. I'm willing to ship it, but that will be very expensive due to weight. Please email me off-list for full details if interested. Thanks, Mark Gregory gregorym(a)cadvision.com System specs: Original NeXT Cube (68030, 400 MB HD, 16 MB RAM) NeXT 17" MegaPixel monitor NeXT laser printer NeXTstep 1.1 on optical disk/NeXTstep 2.1 on HD All cables, mouse, keyboard, full documentation and several additional books NeXTstep/OpenStep upgrade has not been ordered from Apple All original boxes and inserts. Price: $350 Canadian (approx. $235 US) + shipping; system is in Calgary, Alberta

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HP 3000/925 available

by ss＠allegro.com

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How to remove LOVE-LETTER-virus

by sipke＠wxs.nl

This is what i received from a friend and I will hereby forward for your benefit Sipke Virus Name: VBS/LoveLetter.worm Aliases: none known Characteristics: This worm is a VBS program that is sent attached to an email with the subject ILOVEYOU. The mail contains the message "kindly check the attached LOVELETTER coming from me." The attachment is called LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs If the user runs the attachment the worm runs using the Windows Scripting Host program. This is not normally present on Windows 95 or Windows NT unless Internet Explorer 5 is installed. When the worm is first run it drops copies of itself in the following places :- C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSKERNEL32.VBS C:\WINDOWS\WIN32DLL.VBS C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.VBS It also adds the registry keys :- HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\ MSKernel32=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSKernel32.vbs HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices\ Win32DLL=C:\WINDOWS\Win32DLL.vbs in order to run the worm at system start-up. The worm replaces the following files :- *.JPG *.JPEG *.MP3 *.MP2 with copies of itself and it adds the extension .VBS to the original filename. So PICT.JPG would be replaced with PICT.JPG.VBS and this would contain the worm. The worm also overwrites the following files :- *.VBS *.VBE *.JS *.JSE *.CSS *.WSH *.SCT *.HTA with copies of itself and renames the files to *.VBS. The worm creates a file LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.HTM which contains the worm and this is then sent to the IRC channels if the mIRC client is installed. This is accomplished by the worm replacing the file SCRIPT.INI with the following script :- [script] n0=on 1:JOIN:#:{ n1= /if ( $nick == $me ) { halt } n2= /.dcc send $nick C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.HTM n3=} After a short delay the worm uses Microsoft Outlook to send copies of itself to all entries in the address book. The mails will be of the same format as the original mail. This worm also has another trick up it's sleeve in that it tries to download and install an executable file called WIN-BUGSFIX.EXE from the Internet. This exe file is a password stealing program that will email any cached passwords to the mail address MAILME(a)SUPER.NET.PH In order to facilitate this download the worm sets the start-up page of Microsoft Internet Explorer to point to the web-page containing the password stealing trojan. The email sent by this program is as follows :- From: goat1(a)192.168.0.2To: mailme(a)super.net.phSubject: Barok... email.passwords.sender.trojanX-Mailer: Barok... email.passwords.sender.trojan---by: spyderHost: goat1Username: Goat1IP Address: 192.168.0.2 RAS Passwords:... <password information goes here> ... Cache Passwords:... <password information goes here> ... goatserver.goatnet/goatserver.goatnet : GOATNET\goat1: MAPI : MAPI The password stealing trojan is also installed via the following registry key :- HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\WIN-BUGSFIX to auto run at system start-up. After it has been run the password stealing trojan copies itself to WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WinFAT32.EXE and replaces the registry key with HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\WinFAT32=Wi nFAT32.EXE Date Discovered: Thursday May 4th 2000 DAT included: 4077 Risk: High > How to disinfect : Virus "I LOVE YOU" > > > > 1/ Kill all process called "wscript.exe" from the Windows NT > > TaskManager or > > from the running applications taskbar. > > > > 2/ Execute the "regedit" program from "Start" menu/"Run..." > > 3/ Using this program, go in > > "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run" and > > remove the entry containing MSKernel32.vbs > > 4/ Do the same with > > "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ > > RunServices" > > and Win32DLL.vbs > > > > 5/ Go in "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet > > Explorer\Main" and > > change the value of "Start Page" to "about:blank" > > > > 6/ The virus also infects files on network drives by writing the virus > > script in files with those extensions: vbs, vbe, js, jse, > > css, wsh, sct, > > hta, jpeg, jpg, mp3, mp2. You can check this by making a > > "Find" on every > > network drive, looking for the string "loveletter" (in the > > field "Containing > > text:"). > > > > Look in your sent items to check to who you sent the virus. > >

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Watch for "ILOVEYOU" loveletter.VBS bug

by allisonp＠world.std.com

It can be destructive but apparently it's easy to stop it before it does that. That and the files it deletes are mostly images and sounds. I believe it needs to get the downloaded win-bugsfix.exe file and that server/source is unreachable. It's bad as it represents another possble way to compromize MS based systems that are ubiquious. To any other system or a tightend MS one it's noise. Well read up on it as it takes advantage of all the cute little widgets of IE5.0 namely instant messaging, Chat and Active-x controls. Once on the system it uses the outlook/outlookexpress addressbook to send itself to friends and contacts. so if it get to insystem in the average company within minutes every one there has it and it will cascade. If you don't have IE 5.0 or outlook (office87/98 or 2000) your safer. Even when you install IE4.0/sp1 you can kill off some of the toys and make it much harder to infect. The problem is not so much crappy MS as its peoples affliction for toys and not tools. That and W95/98 are very bad for security and win2000 and NT run close if not set up right. W9x effectively has no security and if the user is SHARING folders/files on the local net and using a modem to access the internet that system makes a fine proxy. If you admin uses some sense and takes advantage of even w9x security and policy stuff you can be far more resistant to much of the junk. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, May 04, 2000 4:24 PM Subject: RE: Watch for "ILOVEYOU" loveletter.VBS bug It's certainly spreading fast, I've already received three corrupt messages. Two of them came from other list servers (not this one) that I belong to and one came from a friend. Fortunately, I don't think this one is too distructive... Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> > It's an email worm that takes advantage of MS Active-x controls. > > This is a wide spreading fast mover and packs a payload. > > Locally several companies have reported it and it was only launched > less than a day ago. > > WWW.f-secure.com has details. > > Allison >

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Watch for "ILOVEYOU" loveletter.VBS bug

by allisonp＠world.std.com

You can use outlook express if you do one thing before going on line... Go to TOOLS|options and hit the first item on the READ tab. That oen enables read(aka open) message after usually 10-15seconds. UNCHECK the box, then you can read you mail and if loveletter pops up you can safely delete it (also make sure it's deleted from the deleted items folder too). If you have outlook it's basically the same spiel but I never install it as its fat and usually not used for more than reading mail. Half the users run Netscape (3.01 gold or 4.72) and that is totally immune. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Stan Sieler <ss(a)allegro.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, May 04, 2000 6:31 PM Subject: Re: Watch for "ILOVEYOU" loveletter.VBS bug Re: > > It's an email worm that takes advantage of MS Active-x controls. > We've already had one hard drive wiped out by it :-( I had to explain to several people here why I wasn't worried :) In the radio/TV reports I've heard about it, I've yet to hear any "expert" explain the simplest method of avoiding this (and similar) viruses: Don't use a mailer that's going to be executing any incoming code. So, two of us here (Pegasus users) are happy, while the MS Outlook users here are paranoid :) If you're curious about Pegasus (a Win95/98/NT mail client), check out www.pegasus.usa.com ... it's free. Personally, I prefer to use elm ... and usually do for most of my important mail. I like being able to say that I use a "steam-powered mail program". Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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perkin/elmer & concurrent books

by jdarren＠ala.net

One person asked for a list of the p-e/ccc books I have. I lost the message. Please contact me again. So sorry!

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