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Printing Infocom Transcripts from 8-bitters (was Re: KIM Manual / Selectric)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> wrote: > turn into detectable improvements in the game. I also pitched Infocom > about porting RtZ to the Amiga, but it never happened. I got the > underlying engine > ........... > > Are you SURE, I am fairly certain I bid on a few cases of Infocom Amiga > versions (might have been the lost treasures series, but I thought it was > more). It was Lost Treasures - I have the Amiga version as well as the PC version. LGoP2 and RtZ used an entirely different language and underlying platform. Zork Zero was the last thing out for the Amiga because it used the old scheme with graphic extensions. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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DEC Correspondent (LA12) question...

by sethm＠loomcom.com

Hey folks, Another question for DEC people out there. I've got a DEC Correspondent (Model LA12-DB) printing terminal. It's like a little cousin to the DECwriters of the world, very cute and lightweight, relatively speaking. Built like a little tank, though. And ribbons are still available, joy! But I've got no earthly clue how to configure the thing for baud rate, flow control, stop bits, anything. It seems to be set up REALLY FUNKY right now, like 4800bps 7N1 or some such nonesense. All I want is 9600 8N1, is that so wrong? It looks like configuration is done by hitting some sequence of keys, but I've been unable to make it work so far, and I'm going through an alarming quantity of fanfold paper in the process. I mean, they couldn't have just made it a TOGGLE or some DIP SWITCHES or anything, NOOO... Does anyone know how to make it go? -Seth -- "As a general rule, the man in the habit of murdering | Seth Morabito bookbinders, though he performs a distinct service | sethm(a)loomcom.com to society, only wastes his own time and takes no | personal advantage." -- Kenneth Grahame (1898) | Perth ==> *

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OT: Looking for old book

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: Sorry for the intrusion, but I'm looking for either the following book, accompanying diskette, or both: "The Art of C" by Herbert Schildt. If anyone has a spare copy or wants to lighten their bookshelf a bit, please let me know off-list. Thanks! Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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KIM Manual / Selectric

by mrdos＠swbell.net

The IBM MagCard and MagCard II used the selectric in an interesting way. The MagCard II was a large (and HEAVY) box connected to a Selectric II with a very thick cable. The user would type a document on the typewriter. Then, they would insert a small magnetic card into the large box, and press a button on the typewriter. The document would then be saved on the card. To recall a document, the user would insert the card, and press a key on the typewriter. The typewriter would then type the document out on paper. There are lots of connectors inside the "large box" labeled things like OPTION and PERIPHERAL. Using a MagCard or MagCard II would probably be the easiest way to interface a Selectric to a computer. I have a book that has a picture of a unit very much like my MagCard II, except that it uses Magnetic Tapes instead of Cards. It's really fun to watch the MagCard II type out documents >from the cards. It's a lot faster than I thought a Selectric could be. -----Original Message----- From: technoid(a)cheta.net <technoid(a)cheta.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 8:09 PM Subject: Re: KIM Manual / Selectric >Back in the olden days of microcomputers a printer of any type cost a >bundle. One solution hobbyists use was interfacing old teletype equipment >to your Kim, Atari, Apple, Aim, etc. This gave you a printer but not all >the special characters a 'real' printer could produce. They were not good >for correspondence.... They also ate a lot of current and were obnoxiously >loud. > >I.B.M. Selectric typewriters were dirt common in offices and still cost a >bundle at $300.00 to $600.00 used. Still, a selectric had changeable >typefaces (by changing the ball) and great quality. They were not very >fast but Were very rugged and reliable. Even a new Selectric was a bargain >compared to a Diablo or other daisy-wheel printers. > >The thing is that the Selectric is not a computer printer. Its a >typewriter. There were a number of home-grown computer interfaces for >them to make a printer but I think the most interesting one was a board >with a bank of solenoids mounted on it which faced the keyboard of the >typewriter. When a solenoid was actuated it struck the key below it on >the typewriter's keyboard.... This was a simple interface which just >bolted on top of the existing keyboard without any mods to I.B.M.'s gear >which would void your warranty. > >The Selectric option was beyond my financial means at the time. I ended >up settling for a Western Electric teletype for a couple of years until I >got a Brother EP22 thermal typewriter with an RS232 jack on it. Quality >was good if not excellent, it was GOBS quieter than the teletype which >made my folks happy, and could print on regular paper if you used a >thermal transfer ribbon instead of thermal paper. Neither the WE teletype >nor the EP22 would allow me to print my Hitchhiker's Guide or Zork >sessions as these games were 'boot' games with thier own dos. Since the >Atari 8-bit did not have a resident Serial printer handler, I could not >print from an Infocom game. The EP22 was excellent for code printouts and >most other things. > > >-- >----------------------------------------------------------- >Jeffrey S. Worley >Complete Computer Services >30 Greenwood Rd. >Asheville, NC 28803 >828-274-5781 0900-1800 weekdays >Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk? >Technoid(a)Cheta.net >----------------------------------------------------------- >

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Couple of cool HP 110/150 finds

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi Ernest, At 07:17 PM 5/11/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Joe >Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 12:18 PM >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: Couple of cool HP 110/150 finds > > >> >>At 10:47 PM 5/2/00 -0700, Earnest said something about: > >>>Today, I was given a bunch of interesting vintage items. > >>> HP 88396 SCSI to parrallel interface. > > Did you ever find out more about this? > > I just picked up one of one yesterday with the cables. The other end of >the cable that fits the DB-25 connector has a male Centronics style >connector on it. The SCSI port has a feed-through type terminator on it. >Attached to that is a cable that has a micro-SCSI connector on the other >end of it. FWIW the box says "same functionality as 88395". > > Joe > >No, I haven't found anything out about it at all. I haven't really been >looking though, as I'm working on some other things with my Apple IIe. To >tell you the truth, I've been putting off working with my HP 150/110/110+ >stuff because I want to be able to devote some serious focus time to them. >My 150 needs to be re-setup I think, and that'll be a bit complicated for me >since I haven't set one up from scratch before. They're not hard to setup once you get through all the menus and get to the setup menu. Replace the two N-cells in the holder that clips into the back of the 150 before you start. They're used to power the CMOS memory and they're usually dead so the CMOS won't hold it's settings. I have more manuals for it >than I know what to do with, so I shouldn't have to hammer you with to many >questions. > >By the way, I found a new disk for the 150 Touchscreen: > >Advance Link Master#3 (45431-13003) A.01.01 2435 >Upload A.01.02 >Monitor 3000 A.02.04 > >Are you familiar with this bit of software? I'm assuming that it's comm >software for linking a 110/110+ to the 150 but I'm not sure. It's used to make the 150 emulate a terminal and is used to talk to the HP mainframes. I have the manual here, but the program isn't real usefull IMO. > >I also picked up a 110+ with some manuals but no software. I'm not sure if >there even was software for the 110 series, since they're ROM based systems. Actually there is a fair amount of software for the 110. I even have some game programs from Infocom that were modified to run on the 110. I dug out all my 110 software and it filled two good size boxs. I'm still going to make copies for your archives when I get a chance. Joe > >Ernest > >

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IBM System/36 5363 Security Issue

by mrdos＠swbell.net

Does anyone know how to bypass security on an IBM System/36 5363? I have had one for over a year now, and have not been able to use it because I don't know the User ID or Password. Thanks, Owen Robertson

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Couple of cool HP 110/150 finds

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

> >At 10:47 PM 5/2/00 -0700, Earnest said something about: >>Today, I was given a bunch of interesting vintage items. >> HP 88396 SCSI to parrallel interface. Did you ever find out more about this? I just picked up one of one yesterday with the cables. The other end of the cable that fits the DB-25 connector has a male Centronics style connector on it. The SCSI port has a feed-through type terminator on it. Attached to that is a cable that has a micro-SCSI connector on the other end of it. FWIW the box says "same functionality as 88395". Joe

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KIM Manual / Selectric

by jpl15＠netcom.com

I note (historically) that in the Introduction to the First Book of Kim, by the previously-mentioned Mr. Butterfield, he thanks an individual for the use of a Selectric-attached word processor. More details elude me; I am at work and away from my bookshelves. Cheers John

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DECmate I (was Fwd: Re: Free Pro350 available (FOB Sunnyvale))

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote: > Zane wrote: > > BTW, that's a DECmate II or Rainbow style case. I'm not sure what the > > DECmate I used for a case... > > Ethan wrote: > > A VT100. Floppies were RX02 and external. There was also apparently > > an RL02 interface, but I've never personally witnessed one. > > Interesting. I've seen a VT78, which IIRC is a 6100 microprocessor-based > system mounted in a VT52-style terminal, but I didn't know there was one > in a VT100. I guess I wasn't sure exactly what a DECmate I was, since > I've only managed to find the DECmate II and III. One more item for > my "wanted" list. Anyone care to trade a DECmate I for a II? No, but I'd consider a trade of a DECmate III for a VT78. :-) (I only have one DECmate I, one DECmate II and two DECmateIIIs, no VT78s) -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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PDP 11/03 for VAX

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Eric: I have such an 11/03, that was removed from a large VAX last year at my local wrecking yard. It came with an RX01, though (single drive), that has no case-- all of the electronix are mounted to a steel platform (I can email a pix if yer interested). I don't need it, now that I have a 11/23+ and an 11/73 (not to mention the uVAX II in my garage). It's heavy, but small enough ship easily (that's why I got it in the first place). If you specify what cards are supposed to come with, I can make sure they're all there. . . . Jeff On 11 May 2000 21:57:32 -0000 Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> writes: > If it's otherwise going to be scrapped, I'd like to get the cards > and backplanes from the top half of the unit, and the PDP-11/03 > and RX02 disk drive. An acquaintance has an 11/780 which is missing > the PDP-11/03. However, all of the 11/780s and 11/785s I've seen > turn up in surplus places have already had the 11/03 removed. Maybe > someone thinks they're valuable, though I can't imagine why. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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DECmate I (was Fwd: Re: Free Pro350 available (FOB Sunnyvale))

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote: > From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com > Subject: Re: Free Pro350 available (FOB Sunnyvale) > Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:09:36 -0700 (PDT) > > > I've got a Pro350 (PDP 11 in a DECMate type case) with a ST25x hard > > BTW, that's a DECmate II or Rainbow style case. I'm not sure what the > DECmate I used for a case... A VT100. Floppies were RX02 and external. There was also apparently an RL02 interface, but I've never personally witnessed one. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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Free Pro350 available (FOB Sunnyvale)

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I've got a Pro350 (PDP 11 in a DECMate type case) with a ST25x hard drive and an RX50 dual floppy sitting around doing nothing 'cept gettin' in the way. Its available for free, no questions asked, no restrictions, except that: 1) It is in Sunnyvale California (94086) and I'm not paying to pack/mail it. 2) I don't know if it works or not. I did power it up and the disk seeks around a bit but I've got a mono monitor (from an unrelated acquisition) that is also questionable and it didn't say anything at all. You can have the monitor and an LK201 keyboard with it as well. I've got no docs and no way to either ascertain if it is working, should have a color monitor etc, or not. --Chuck

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What's Up

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

Hey joe, Sorry I haven't had time to write but, as always, there's a bunch of shit happening around here. Like everyone else in technology, we are trying to make some money from the ".COM" hysteria. I think we're finally getting close and with any luck, I'll soon have time to do some other things (rumor is that we've already been bought). I can see from your recent posts, that you and Mike have found some really neat stuff. I wouldn't mind getting in on the bonanza but, recently I haven't been able to focus on anything but work :-( I haven't even turned on a computer at home in the last 6 weeks. As far as collecting, I haven't seen anything interesting since we went to Avitar. Sure wish I could find an outlet like that a lot closer to home. Actually, I'm probably better off being 250 miles away. I've already got too much crap around here and the temptation might be too great if it was right down the road. A couple of weeks ago, I had to go to Ft. Pierce for business so, I took a "short cut" past APOLLO in Melbourne. I didn't realize the Tom is only there a half day and almost got locked out of the place. Fortunately, Pete (I think that's his name) came by and agreed to let me in. I spent two hours looking around and couldn't find anything worth hauling home. Either my vision is getting worse or I'm getting more selective about the junk I collect. Actually, it's probably a combination of both :-) Went to a local auction last week and was shocked at the prices those idiots were paying. Sorry but, I refuse to pay retail prices at a freakin auction! As it tunrs out, it was mostly PC related stuff that I wouldn't want anyway. There was one large AS/400 that looked pretty complete. It had a reel-to-reel tape drive and all sorts of neat accessories. Since it was pretty big (probably 1000 lbs), had to be removed that day (no exceptions), I didn't have a place to put it, and don't know anything about them, I didn't bid. It sold for $5... I don't know if the other guy moved it on not. It might have wound up in the dumpster dumpster behind the place. I'll have to check on the way home. I did buy a rather large "band printer" for the parts. There's a couple of really LARGE steppers motors in it that could be used in a robotics or automation project. There's also a bunch of 7400 series chips that might be useful someday. The stand is in really good condition so, I can use that for another fairly large printer that I have. I only payed $5 for it so, I couldn't get hurt too bad ;-) I'm gonna try to come up to Orlando around the end of June. If you have or know of any minis (HP or DEC) that are complete and working, we might be able to make a deal. At this point, I just don't have the time or patience to piece together an incomplete system. Anyway, hope all is well with you and yours... See ya, Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Free to good home: Centronics 101 printer

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

If anyone is interested contact the person below... ------------------- From: "Fairley, Chris" <Chris.Fairley@kla- tencor.com> Subject: Free to good home: Centronics 101 printer I have the original personal printer, weighing about 60 pounds, upper-case only, complete with paper tape reader. State of the art in the late 70's? Free to a good home. It worked last time I tried, has a few cosmetic defects, very dusty. Want it? FOB San Jose CA. -Chris Chris Fairley Director of Engineering KLA-Tencor WIN Division tel: 408 875-5330 fax: 408 571-2915 pager: 888 709-2310 email: chris.fairley(a)kla-tencor.com -------------------------------- ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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value of RK05

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I'm wondering of anyone knows whatthe value of an RK05 would be? I'm thinking of buying a rack full of stuff in order to get the parts i want, and then sell of the rest. As i'll be getting a pair of RK05's for free with the PDP-11/45 system I'm getting for free, if I was to get 2 more RK05's I cant see needing that many... Also, is it next to impossible to get the rx8e needed to hook the Rk05's to a PDP8/e? -Lawrence LeMay

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Digital Millennium Copyright Act - what does it mean for us?

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

I was reading a post on Slashdot about Microsoft pissing about a huge thread on there about its "embracing and engulfing" the Kerberos standard in its Windows 2000 product (see http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/05/02/158204 ). The thread had links to a legal analysis of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (http://www.whitmorelaw.com/Copyright/dmca-analysis.html ). Here's a link to the actual legislation (http://www.hrrc.org/2281enrolled.pdf ). Although the first article is written from the perspective of service provider liability, I can't help but wonder what it means for us (as providers of the "content") in light of the recent goings on with Napster and MP3. For example, although I acknowledge the copyrights of the various owners of the printed materials on my Web site (the AIM documents, for example, since Rockwell is still around), I do not have explicit permission >from Rockwell to make those materials available. I'm sure that many of us in our preservation efforts have a mixture of documents from defunct companies and from live ones (but for which the products have been long discontinued). How do we protect ourselves? My plan, frankly, is to continue with my efforts until someone tells me to stop. Thoughts? Rich

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Determining input voltage for switchmode PSU

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, This isn't specifically classic, but maybe someone can help. I have a SCSI optical drive mounted in an external case, made in 1992. There are no labels on the case at all. I was sent this from the United States (where mains voltage is 110VAC); I'm in the UK (where mains is 240VAC). Whilst I can use this unit in conjunction with a step-down transformer, is there any "rule of thumb" method for determining whether a switchmode PSU is auto-ranging? Rather than just connecting the unit up to 240V and risking damaging the PSU, I'd like some idea of whether it is designed to run from 240V. The fuse on the power supply PCB is 2A 250V, if that's any indication. There is no obvious wire link that could be moved to select between 110V and 220V operation. A label on the PSU reads MODEL NO. SP35W2P-141 There is also a logo which looks something like this: | | __ | / \__|___ | \__ That is, the letters L and E joined together. Any idea which manufacturer this is? -- Mark

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Maxoptix disk

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Does anyone want a Maxoptix disk? I found one that's still in the box and sealed in plastic. The box says "Tahiti Formatted Erasable Optical Cartridge 1 Gigabyte Maxoptix by Verbatim". Make a reasonable offer. Joe

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FA: DEC Compactapes with VMS 5.5

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I just put these on E-bay. "http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330229962". Joe

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Dec stuff, what's the deal?

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 08:38 AM 5/11/00 -0500, I wrote: > >Hi, > > I was helping to sort a load of surplus test equipment yesterday and found a couyple of DEC computers. Since I'm not a DEC head I don't know anything about them so can someone tell me more about them and if they're worth rescueing. The first is a DEC Por 350, there are two of them. The other is is a Micro PDP 11/73. Both are roughly the size of a large tower case for a PC. There's also a VAX 11/785 there but it's huge! > A lot of people responded to my posting and asked "what's the deal" on the 11/73 and 350, so I thought I'd explain the whole situation here. These machines just came out of Martin Marietta. For the ones of you that don't recognize the name, they are the largest defense contractor in the US. They were taken out of the MM plant yesterday morning with a huge load of surplus test equipment. I helped unload, sort and test the stuff yesterday afternoon (and half the night!) I don't know anything about DEC stuff but I thought these looked worthwhile so I grabbed the 11/73 and one of the 350s and separated them from the usual load of PC crap. They still belong to the test equipment dealer but he knows nothing about them or where or how to sell them so he's letting me see what I can do with them. They are for sale so if you want one, make a reasonable offer. If the owner doesn't get what he feels is a fair offer then he or I will put them on E-bay. I took the 11/73 and one of the 350s home with me to try and find out more about them, so if you have any specific questions let me know and I'll try to answer them. I haven't tested them but they look like they're in fine condition. I'll try to hook them up this weekend and find out more about them. Fine print: These are located in the Orlando Florida area. If you buy one, you can pick it up and pay for in person (hint: cash = no tax.) If you need it shipped then there is a $20 packing fee for a custom foam in place shipping box. All of their large test equipment gets shipped that way and even UPS hasn't lost or damaged a piece yet. It will be shipped by your choice of shippers and actual shipping charges will apply. Joe

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Evil VAXstation 3100 disk mounting gaskets!

by sethm＠loomcom.com

Hey all, I've got a question for DECheads out there who are familiar with the VAXstation 3100 (and DECstation 3100, for that matter) series of DEC systems. These little beasts don't use mounting brackets like the rest of the desktop computer universe. They instead rely on the little screw holes located on the bottom of standard 3.5" form factor harddrives, and these really INSIDIOUS LITTLE RUBBERIZED GASKETS that you wedge into various mount-holes on a metal plate inside the VAXstation's case. The drive sits on these gaskets, you see, and gets insulated from the scary conductive metal plate, while still getting a little airflow under the electronics. I'm ALWAYS missing at _least_ one gasket whenever I want to mount a drive. Often, I'm missing all four of them at once, making life terribly difficult. I've resorted to using non-conductive washers and screws with _really_ big heads to kind of work around it, but it's a sub-optimal solution. Does anyone know where to get these little guys? Did DEC have a part number for them? Or are they a common part available at your local Fry's Electronics, and I just haven't found them yet? I really need some, you see. Thanks for any (and all) help! -Seth -- "As a general rule, the man in the habit of murdering | Seth Morabito bookbinders, though he performs a distinct service | sethm(a)loomcom.com to society, only wastes his own time and takes no | personal advantage." -- Kenneth Grahame (1898) | Perth ==> *

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Keyboard actuator

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Derek Peschel <dpeschel(a)eskimo.com> wrote: > Fred Cisin wrote... > > It is vitally important that you not exceed 14.8 characters per second on > > Selectrics. > > .... or what? Does the Balls-O-Meter wear out? :) As tank-like as the Selectrics are, you really _can_ wear them out. My mother used to make her living typing court transcripts (in the evenings, from the tapes the court reporters make during the day). One time, she took her IBM Selectric II to a new shop for minor repair and adjustment. The shop owner commented that he'd never seen wear on certain parts until then. When the job was done, he asked her to try it out in the store. About a minute into the machine-gun reverie, he commented that the two of them were going to become fast friends. He was right. She took one of her two machines to the shop at least once or twice per year. I don't know how fast she typed, but it was well in excess of 100 wpm. 14.8 cps - it's not the law, just a good idea. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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Persistence of Vision (was Re: Cool hack (was Busses vs no busses ))

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Well, it must have been a brain fart. I can't find the article at all. Not in PE, EN, CirCellar, or N&V. I have no idea where I saw it. I did come across a project for the BS1 in "Programming and Customizing the Basic Stamp Computer" by Scott Edwards (p. 87) for a POV message machine. It wouldn't be too hard to add a Dallas serial clock and change the code to make a clock. Rich -----Original Message----- There was a project just for this in Electronics Now or Popular Electronics just recently. I'd say Feb. or March issue. If I have time tonight, I'll dig-up the article. As I recall, it uses a PIC and a group of LEDs on a pendulum to provide the date and time using the same "persistence of vision" as mentioned below. I don't recall if the swinging was user-invoked, motorized or magnetic. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Marvin [mailto:marvin@rain.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 11:06 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Cool hack (was Busses vs no busses) John Foust wrote: > > What's the name of those signs that are composed of nothing but > a single vertical column of LEDs, where you can only see the > image (or the digital clock display, etc.) as your eye scans > across it, leaving the multiplexed image in your brain? I can't recall either, but that brings to mind an interesting project a friend of mine worked on quite a few years ago. The Art Museum here was having some kind of show and an artist wanted to paint electronic pictures. My friend designed the electronics (I built the circuit boards) to put a line of LEDs on a pendulum and paint pictures electronically as the pendulum swung through its arc. With the multi-colored and higher intensity LEDs available today, it would be really cool to do the same thing but with color pictures. Doesn't sound like too hard a project especially with the speed of todays computers. ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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Fw: Digital PDP11

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

Can anybody in Europe help these people? -----Original Message----- From: misbrieuc(a)wanadoo.fr <misbrieuc(a)wanadoo.fr> Newsgroups: aus.computers Date: Wednesday, 10 May 2000 0:37 Subject: Digital PDP11 >Good afternoon, > > >We use a Digital pdp 11, model 04 for the application of process >piloting. > >People who have been working in the firm for a long time will remember >that: > >We lack kit pieces in order to keep this material working. > >The research with the computer brokers brings no results. > >I'm therefore looking for one pdp 11 or some change pieces, in our >companies' cupboards. > >Thank you for your help. > > > > >PS: of course, the managed application is critical for the company and >the replacement of the functions cared by the calculator would be too >expensive. >

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Ebay Altair

by dogas＠leading.net

From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> >John Wilson wrote: >> >> Anyone who pays significantly more than the scrap value, is not looking >> hard enough. > >Absolutely! The other side of that coin though is some people are not >interested in looking, and are therefore willing to pay someone else to do >that. Why else would something like ebay be such a success? Because you'll find items there that you won't find no matter how much looking you do in your piss poor geographical vicinity. ;) - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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Compaq portable

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's a guy with a Compaq portable up for grabs. Please contact the original sender. Reply-to: N5TZR(a)TDF.NET ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:16:27 -0500 From: Michael Cedeck <N5TZR(a)TDF.NET> To: donate(a)vintage.org Subject: courious if ya want it... I have a old compac portable, (lugable). the early version of a laptop, the one with the keyboard in the bottom , built in monitor, floppy drive. Michael n5tzr(a)tdf.net Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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TN 55xy Available

by jfoust＠threedee.com

"Free? Did somebody say 'Free'?", he said in his best Jambi voice. This message is from a microscope enthusiast list. I have no idea what this is, but it's got 8 inch drives, so it must be a computer, right? - John At 12:59 PM 5/10/00 -0400, Robert Wieland wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >The Microscopy ListServer -- Sponsor: The Microscopy Society of America >To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- Send Email to ListServer(a)MSA.Microscopy.Com >On-Line Help http://www.msa.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------. > > > Free to anyone who will take it away, a Tracor-Northern 55xy (not sure >which member of the 5500 family) console unit, with keyboard but without >monitor. Has two 8" drives on the front. A few manuals & floppies of >software go with it. This was once used at another site to run the WDS on >a JEOL 840, but has been sitting here unconnected in a corner for several >years. It is complete (has had nothing taken out of it), but condition is >otherwise unknown. > Located at the University of Delaware, in Newark, Delaware, about five >miles off I95. > Respond to wieland(a)me.udel.edu > >Robert Wieland wieland(a)me.udel.edu >The very concept of human governance is a moral dilemma: >If the people are good, it is a mistake to create authorities over them; >If they are not good, it is a mistake to create authorities out of them. > > >

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Rogue for VAX...

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Where do you get Rogue for the VAX? I do believe that some of the latest "standard" versions just plain compile under VMS. You'll need a C compiler and a MMK-type make utility. I also believe nethack is available, too. A different branch off the Rogue evolutionary tree is Moria. There are many versions of this floating around... most notably: $ ftp ubvms.buffalo.edu/anon MadGoat FTP client V2.6-1 %FTP-I-ATTEMPTING, Attempting to connect to host ubvms.buffalo.edu <220 ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu MultiNet FTP Server Process V4.2(16) at Wed 10-May-200 0 10:25PM-EDT %FTP-I-LOGIN, Attempting to login to user anonymous <331 anonymous user ok. Send real ident as password. <230-Guest User SHOPPA(a)TIMAXP.TRAILING-EDGE.COM logged into SYS$SYSDEVICE:[FTP] at Wed 10-May-2000 10:25PM-EDT, job 1f46. <230 Directory and access restrictions apply FTP:ubvms.buffalo.edu> cd maslib <250 Connected to SYS$SYSDEVICE:[FTP.MASLIB]. FTP:ubvms.buffalo.edu> cd games <250 Connected to SYS$SYSDEVICE:[FTP.MASLIB.GAMES]. FTP:ubvms.buffalo.edu> dir *moria* <200 Stru F ok. <200 Port 61.7 at Host 63.73.218.130 accepted. <150 List started. SYS$SYSDEVICE:[FTP.MASLIB.GAMES] IMORIA.DIR;1 7 18-NOV-1997 14:41 [TKSLEN] (RWED,RWED,R,R) MORIA_443.DIR;1 5 18-NOV-1997 14:42 [TKSLEN] (RWED,RWED,R,R) MORIA_480.DIR;1 5 18-NOV-1997 14:42 [TKSLEN] (RWED,RWED,R,R) MORIA_500.DIR;1 6 18-NOV-1997 14:42 [TKSLEN] (RWED,RWED,R,R) UMORIA.DIR;1 5 18-NOV-1997 14:43 [TKSLEN] (RWED,RWED,R,R) >P.S. I installed Tru64 Unix on my Alpha 150, but it wouldn't run right >because I dinked with the partitioning during the install. So, I installed >VMS/Alpha 7.21 on it, but I forgot you can't use a 2G drive for VMS on the >boot drive... so I installed a 1G drive instead, installed VMS/Alpha, and >it *still* wouldn't boot... Am I stupid, or what? Huh? Since when does an Alpha have the 1G boot drive limitation? This limitation only applies to some of the older VS3100's, AFAIK. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Keyboard actuator

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) may have mentioned these words: >On Wed, 10 May 2000, Richard Erlacher wrote: >> I knew someone who had one of these gadgets back in the '70's. He wore out >> a selectric in about two weeks. > >I know a HUMAN typist who wore one out in ONE. >(she could AVERAGE 150 words per minute over 8 hour days! Not the >world's fastest, but close. At the end of the day, she barely had any >remembrance of what she had typed.) > >It is vitally important that you not exceed 14.8 characters per second on >Selectrics. >The cheap home Selectrics are way too flimsy and short-lived for ANYTHING. >Always get the "heavy duty" models. To bring this back on track... I could average 100-105 over a 5-6 hour period back in my heyday, and did if for around a month transcribing a few books into my Tandy 200... IMHO still the sweetest laptop keyboard ever. BTW, it must have been "heavy duty" as it's still working just fine. (I have a pretty light touch for typing...) See ya, "Merch" -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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Getting all the system connected...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>Assumeing you could get them connected what nobel project could this mass >of diversified machines be commissioned to do? Obviously they are way too >slow to do Seti@home (Wouldn't it be a kick if a really old machine found >something significant?) but surely there could be some project that could >be engineered to be useful? One that naturally comes to mind is file conversion/transfer. I'ts the primary use here. Another could be using the common node as the terminal to any of the connected clients. >Does this even make sense? Yes.

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s100 busses!

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Frank McConnell <fmc(a)reanimators.org> wrote: > Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > Does anyone still sell s100 based computers? > > Aren't they used still for process controll and automation? > > Some years ago (1994 or 1995 I think) someone posted an article to > alt.folklore.computers about a manufacturer of voting machines who was > still building their own S-100-based design for use in that > application. Sorry, I didn't save a copy of the article. The Center of Science and Industry (COSI) in Columbus has a corner of their new building set aside as a tribute to the old museum (c. 1964 - 1999). Part of it is a kiosk with the original computer equipment performing the original tasks for which they were programmed - a C-64 running a lemonaide stand simulation (c. 1983) and an S-100 box running a crime survey (c. 1979). In the old museum, these used to sit outside the "CIVIC" room, a DECSystem 2020 attached to the Compu$erve network providing computing services for non-profit organizations (The DEC-20 was decomissioned and reclaimed by CI$ many, many years ago). -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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TK70 that Don Maslin has/had(?)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hi, Just thought I would say that if someone does get the TK70 from Don, I have the controller (Qbus) available.. Can't guarantee that it works and I don't have the cable, but it's better than nothing! Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Busses vs no busses

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

One of the most amazing things I've witnessed in the computer evolution is the growth, and death, of busses. Some, like Q-bus and S-100 are pretty simple, others like SBus and the switching fabric that constitutes the SparcServer 490 are much more complex. When asked once why I prefer the Q-bus 11's and Vaxen my answer is always because I can get lots of I/O to do neat things for those busses. (I'm writing a program for the PDP-8 to control an LED sign using a couple of 12bit parallel i/o cards. ) But the trend in PC's has gone to fewer and fewer "slots" and soon will be no slots. I thought that the bus was dead until I realized that USB has the same bandwidth as Q-bus and FireWire has much better bandwidth. So presumably we'll see some interesting I/O devices that use these busses in the future. --Chuck

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Perkin-Elmer manuals available

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

I received this but I'm not interested so I'm passing it along to the group. If anyone is interested contact the person below. ----------------------------------------- From: "jdarren" <jdarren(a)ala.net> Subject: Re: Perkin-Elmer manuals Date sent: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:10:34 -0500 Thanks very much for your reply. I'm in Dothan, Alabama. I want $8 each plus shipping. For the entire lot, $325 with shipping included. Item, Vendor, Title, Date --------------------------------- 1, P/E, OS/32 SUPERVISOR CALL (SVC) REFERENCE MANUAL, 1985 2, P/E, OS/32 SYSTEM LEVEL PROGRAMMER REFERENCE MANUAL, 1984 3, P/E, OS/32 8.1 MTM SOFTWARE INSTALLATION GUIDE, 1985 4, P/E, OS/32 MTM SYSTEM PLANNING AND OPERATOR REFERENCE MANUAL, 1985 5, P/E, MULTI-TERMINAL MONITOR (MTM) REFERENCE MANUAL, 1985 6, P/E, OS/32 COPY USER GUIDE, 1985 7, P/E, OS/32 EDIT USER GUIDE, 1984 8, P/E, OS/32 APPLICATION LEVEL PROGRAMMING REFERENCE, 1985 9, P/E, OS/32 LINK REFERENCE MANUAL, 1985 10, P/E, OS/32 AIDS USER GUIDE, 1984 11, P/E, OS/32 SYSTEM SUPPORT RUN-TIME LIBRARY (RTL) REFERENCE MANUAL, 1985 12, P/E, MINI I/O SUBSYSTEM MANUAL, ???? 13, P/E, OS/32 SYSTEM SUPPORT UTILITIES REFERENCE MANUAL, 1985 14, P/E, SPL/32 SPOOLER SYSTEM ADMINISTRATION MANUAL, 1984 15, P/E, OS/32 8.1 SOFTWARE INSTALLATION GUIDE, 1985 16, P/E, OS/32 OPERATOR REFERENCE MANUAL, 1986 17, P/E, ENVIRONMENT CONTROL MONITOR (ECM/32) SYSTEM PROGRAMMING AND OPERATIONS REFERENCE MANUAL, 1984 18, P/E, OS/32 OPERATOR POCKET GUIDE, 1985 19, P/E, OS/32 OPERATIONS PRIMER, 1985 20, P/E, COMMON ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE/32 (CAL/32) REFERENCE MANUAL, 1986 21, P/E, COMMON ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE MACRO/32 PROCESSOR (CAL MACRO/32) LIBRARY UTILITY REFERENCE MANUAL, 1984 22, P/E, OS/32 SYSTEM MACRO LIBRARY REFERENCE MANUAL, 1984 23, P/E, OS/32 BASIC DATA COMMUNICATIONS REFERENCE MANUAL, 1985 24, P/E, NETWORK DRIVERS PROGRAMMING REFERENCE MANUAL, 1984 25, P/E, OS/32 ASYNCHRONOUS COMMUNICATIONS REFERENCE MANUAL, 1981 26, P/E, OS/32 CHARACTER SYNCHRONOUS COMMUNICATIONS REFERENCE MANUAL, 1979 27, CCC, OS/32 MEDIT SOFTWARE INSTALLATION GUIDE, 1988 28, CCC, OS/32 MEDIT SCREEN EDITOR USER GUIDE, 1984 29, CCC, OS/32 MEDIT SCREEN EDITOR QUICK GUIDE, 1985 30, CCC, SERIES 3200 ETHERNET CONTROLLER, 1990 31, CCC, RELEASE NOTES FOR THE NM10B ETHERNET PROTOCOL MODULE, 1986 32, CCC, ETHERNET SPECIFICATIONS, 1980 33, CCC, NETWORK DRIVERS PROGRAMMING REFERENCE MANUAL, 1986 34, CCC, PROCOM OS/32 DRIVERS MANUAL, 1988 35, CCC, MODELS 6312 AND 6312+ VIDEO DISPLAY UNIT (VDU) INSTALLATION MANUAL, 1988 36, CCC, MODELS 6312 AND 6312+ VIDEO DISPLAY UNIT (VDU) USER GUIDE, 1990 37, P/E, M48-013 UNIVERSAL LOGIC INTERFACE INSTRUCTION MANUAL, 1973 38, CCC, 3280MPS INSTALLATION AND CONFIGURATION MANUAL, 1987 39, CCC, MODEL 34-043 POWER SUBSYSTEM THEORY OF OPERATION MANUAL, 1987 40, CCC, DIRECT MEMORY INTERFACE (DMI) THEORY OF OPERATION MANUAL, 1986 41, CCC, COMPOSITE MEMORY MODULE (CMM) THEORY OF OPERATION MANUAL, 1987 42, CCC, SYSTEM BUS (S-BUS) THEORY OF OPERATION MANUAL, 1987 43, CCC, 3280 SYSTEM CONTROL/DIAGNOSTIC SYSTEM (CDS) THEORY OF OPERATION MANUAL, 1987 44, CCC, 3280 CPU THEORY OF OPERATION MANUAL, 1987 45, CCC, XELOS USER GUIDE, 1987 46, CCC, FORTRAN VII RELEASE NOTES, 1990 47, CCC, DEVELOPING PROGRAMS WITH FORTRAN VII, 1990 48, CCC, 3280 AND MICRO3200 PRODUCT OVERVIEW, 1989 49, CCC, VME BUS INTERFACE (VMEBI)/VERSABUS INTERFACE DIAGNOSTIC, 1991 50, CCC, VME BUS INTERFACE (VMEBI) OS/32 DRIVER MANUAL, 1990 51, CCC, VME BUS INTERFACE (VMEBI)/VERSABUS INTERFACE PROGRAMMING MANUAL, 1990 52, CCC, ELECTROSTATIC PRINTER/PLOTTER DIAGNOSTIC PROGRAM DESCRIPTION, 1988 53, CCC, ELECTROSTATIC PRINTER/PLOTTER DRIVER MANUAL, 1987 54, CCC, VME BUS INTERFACE (VMEBI) INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE MANUAL, 1990 55, CCC, MULTIPERIPHERAL CONTROLLER (MULTI-LAYER MPC) THEORY OF OPERATION MANUAL, 1989 56, CCC, CDS ERROR MESSAGE AND KEY 2 57, p- e, universal clock module programming manual, 1982 58, p-e, M46-233 line printer interface installation and maintenance manual, 1978 59, p-e, common universal clock module test program, 1983 60, p-e, M48-000, M48-061, M48-002 universal clock (10-bit address) maintenance manual, 1985 61, p-e, common line printer test program, 1981 COMMAND REFERENCE MANUAL, 1989 ---------------------------------- ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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Ebay Altair

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hey now, I can personally vouch that you did indeed get the Interdata 7/32... ;p The real truth is that you can find anything, provided you look hard enough... Hell, the way I got my 3 Interdata 7/32s (well now 2), 2 Perkin-Elmer 3203's, P-E 3205, and 3 P-E 3210's was by doing a search in excite for "interdata 7/32 minicomputer" and lo! I came across an ad (barely 3 hours old) saying "We've got all this stuff for free, if you want it, its yours, just pay shipping, else its scrapped." So I got it. End of story. No Ebaying involved... though half the people who pay stupid prices for say common 11/35's wouldn't know what a 7/32 was if it hit them on the head... I got a Sperry-Univac COBOL training course at a used bookstore... and I got the FEP software for a DECsystem-10/20 at a thrift store for $6. Hell I got my Nova 1210 by posting a "I want old computers" message in the newsgroup co.ads... my point is, if you want it, look harder! I'm not trying to brag, I'm only giving examples... I haven't even been collecting computers for a year yet. But for god's sake, try harder! If I wasn't a year late I would have manuals/software/schematics for my Varian.. but he pitched them.. if I was only one month sooner I would have the disk + tape drives for my Honeywell AND all the manuals + software... So get out there and SAVE the stuff! Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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s100 busses!

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Does anyone still sell s100 based computers? > Aren't they used still for process controll and automation? Some years ago (1994 or 1995 I think) someone posted an article to alt.folklore.computers about a manufacturer of voting machines who was still building their own S-100-based design for use in that application. Sorry, I didn't save a copy of the article. -Frank McConnell

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Ebay strategies (was Re: Ebay Altair)

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

John Wilson wrote: >I seriously think eBay is likely to trigger some kind of 12-step program >for auction junkies. Really, it's a bit like gambling, people get really >competitive sometimes and end up paying prices that have nothing to do with >anyone's concept of what the item is worth, just because they feel that they >need to win at any cost. Sure, that's the "auction fever" that E-bay has been so good at tapping into. There is one very simple rule to follow at any auction: know what you're willing to pay at the start, and never go over it. And it's actually easy, with E-bay's Proxy Bidding, to do this on E-bay by simply bidding your highest amount early on. No more worry about someone outbidding you by 'sniping' at the end! Of course, whenever I mention this strategy I get flamed horribly by "E-bay experts" at how awful it is. How they tried it once and got outbid by $1 and lost. Or how it drives up prices for all buyers. I don't agree, E-bay provides you with a powerful tool - proxy bidding - and you should use it to its full advantage. Getting caught up in the frenzy is the sure way to lose in the big picture (though you may "win" the auction), because you end up paying more than you wanted to. Tim.

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Keyboard actuator

by cisin＠xenosoft.com

When it comes to transferring data between mutually incompatible systems, nothing can compare with putting a box full of solenoids on the keyboard! At one time their primary market was as a way to convert a perfectly good typewriter into a ridiculous printer. There were two main contenders: the Rochester Dynatyper (which had a dual board for connecting to the bus of Apple ][ and TRS-80 I/III), and the KGS-80 (which cabled to an ordinary Centronics port) I'm ready to part with my KGS-80. I got it used about 15 years ago, and used it once for exercising sticking keys on a keyboard, and once for transferring a 100 pages of manuscript from a TRS-80 into a Merganthaler typesetting machine. This is THE device that will transfer files to ANYTHING. IF you can stop laughing. Best offer. Help prevent it ending up on e-bay! -- Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com 2210 Sixth St. (510) 644-9366 Berkeley, CA 94710-2219

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classiccmp-digest V1 #163

by Historical＠aol.com

In a message dated Mon, 8 May 2000 00:27:26 -0400 (EDT), Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner" <spc(a)armigeron.com> writes: << Again, to bring this back on topic, there have been plenty of operating systems distributed in ROM---AmigaOS, QNX, OS-9 and the original MacOS were all contained in ROM, were/are ROMmable and extensible. And all are older than 10 years old. Even MS-DOS came in ROM format for some computers (although I'm not sure if it ran out of ROM, or was copied to RAM before running). >> The Mac OS has never been fully contained in ROM. Starting with the Lisa in 1983 and the original Mac in 1984, Apple used a 64k ROM that contained GUI program routines (the Macintosh ToolKit). These machines still had to boot a floppy which made calls to the ROM. Best, David Greelish Publisher Classic Computing Press www.classiccomputing.com

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Bitmaps - PCB registration

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Dick: EDWin has the ability to build components and symbols. It also has the ability to embed a BMP file. So, I was hoping that someone had a registration mark in a popular graphics format for me to embed without having to go through the trouble of building a symbol. I have a copyright legend in the component side copper and "component side" text in the silk screen. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:richard@idcomm.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 11:41 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Bitmaps - PCB registration The packages I've used (2 versons of OrCAD and EAGLE) seem not only to provide registration targets, but certainly provide sufficient utility to build such a symbol if it didn't already exist. Have you considered making your own registration target? If you do build it, be certain it's different from one side of each layer to the other. If you include a bit of text, i.e. a layer identifier in your registration target, that will help quite a bit. You may also want such an identifier separate from the target, so you can be certain all the layers are present when you look at a registered set of layer overlays. It must be obvious which is which, however, as it's easy to reverse a layer if you have both reversed text and "right-way-around" text in the copper. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Cini, Richard <RCini(a)congressfinancial.com> To: 'ClassCompList' <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: Bitmaps - PCB registration > Hello, all: > > I'm continuing work on My6502 SBC, working towards producing a > working PCB. I wanted to put registration marks on the artwork, but EDWin > CAD does not appear to have built-in registration mark graphics. > > I did a search for electronics clipart, but the 11 sites had nothing > useful. > > Does anyone have any useful registration bitmaps they can send me? > > Rich > > ========================== > Richard A. Cini, Jr. > Congress Financial Corporation > 1133 Avenue of the Americas > 30th Floor > New York, NY 10036 > (212) 545-4402 > (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) >

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s100 busses! / H8

by KB9VU＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/10/00 11:25:42 Central Daylight Time, pat(a)transarc.ibm.com writes: > > > > > >Heath made a computer (the H-8) which is similar to the IMSAI but > actually > > >does use a program to control the computer along with the usual hardware. > > >The H-8 is a lot newer than the IMSAI, however. > > > > > >-- Derek > > > > Any idea where I can get info on how to run an h8? I saved one from the > > garbage a while back, and it seems to function..at least it reacts to > > it's front panel, but I have no doc for it whatsoever. > I used to wander up to the local Heathkit store every weekend to play with > the H8, H11a (LSI-11 based machine running a variant of RT-11), and the > H89 - essentially a Z80 processor board and a 5.25" disk drive built into > an H19 terminal - I'd actually really love to have one of those, if anyone > has one they don't want ... :-) > > Anyway, I was such a frequent visitor to that store that the manager gave > me a couple of advertising posters for the machines - one was a poster > that said "H8 POWER", above an illustration of the bootstrap address, as > it would appear on the H8 display in red 7-segment LEDs; I'm almost > positive that the display read "040000 Pc" .... The poster is still > hanging on my old bedroom wall at my mother's house, unfortunately I can't > get to it to look just at the moment .... > > --Pat. I have two complete operating H8 machines and complete documentation. One id stock Heathkit with the gold pin MB. The other is a Trionix equipped unit with dual fans, modified power supply and an operating 8086 CPU board. Runs CP/M-86 from hard sector disks at a screaming 2 MHz. If someone needs a copy of the operating instructions for the H8, I'll see if I can get it for them for the cost of copies and postage. Can't be in a hurry though as I travel almost 100% of the time and copies will be done at the local Office Max when I have a spare hour or so. The H8 used a 50 pin buss designed by Heathkit. The boot loader could be initiated from the front panel and used a cassette tape or any of several disk drives depending on the controllers installed. AAMF, programs could be keyed into the front panel in Octal and executed from the panel without the use of an external device. Kind of fun watching the display as the program executed. I also have two working H/Z-89's left after today. Planning on keeping them, however. I just finished selling/giving away 8 complete H/Z-89's. (Sorry Pat) I do still have a small supply of spare parts and boards for the H8 and H89 if someone is in a bind. Also have complete documentation on the H/Z-88/89/90 series of computers. Mike Stover, KB9VU Florissant, MO CCA# 404 CRA# 77 USAF MARS AFA3BO

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OT: Paging Phillip Belben

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Phillip please drop me a line off-list, thanks. Cheers John

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Bitmaps - PCB registration

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I'm continuing work on My6502 SBC, working towards producing a working PCB. I wanted to put registration marks on the artwork, but EDWin CAD does not appear to have built-in registration mark graphics. I did a search for electronics clipart, but the 11 sites had nothing useful. Does anyone have any useful registration bitmaps they can send me? Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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COSMAC 1802 Simulator

by dogas＠leading.net

>OK - I finally got my simulator going with Tiny >Basic (what a nightmare). If put together a package >with the source, sample programs, and docs: > >www.ndx.net/cosmac > Good job Kirk! I've been a little busy these last few days, but I've started playing around it and will feedback shortly. ;) - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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Arem't all old computers now 'free' ?

by dogas＠leading.net

It seems to me that now that there are eager 'markets' for old systems, any (most) purshases made are value protected by the fact that *someone* would probably buy 'it' off you for whatever you paid, if not more, whether the currency is soft or hard. I for one have felt alot more at ease buying, with limited resources, an old system that I wanted to play with, knowing that I can 'pass it on' after grokking it, and recoup any (sometimes lots of) money and effort sunk into a machine. That equates to most machines being 'free' (ok, or investments too) while you play with them. The kink here is the cost of my 'permanent' possessions.' Personally, I [too] wish there was a trading network strategy for this lists members (I have tonnes of stuff for trade.) But that seems to work only in the 'real world.' Joe in Orelando and I activelly 'swap' alot of gear.... Anyway, cheers... - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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classiccmp-digest V1 #163

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

-----Original Message----- > >Just like the original Amiga circa 1985, which loaded Kickstart off of disk >into write once protected RAM. Why?? Because the ROM code had not yet been >finalized when the computer was put on the market. > >Another fine example of how marketing guys try to BS electrons . . . > >Gary Hildebrand > And the A3000 when first released, which resurrected the Kickstart disk a second time. Actually, I thought that soft-kickable Amigas were great; the A1000 and A3000 could both use a wider variety of OS versions with less fuss than those where the Kickstart was entirely in ROM. And once you put the softkick on a bootable HD, it didn't slow down the boot sequence that much. Great if you occasionally needed to boot 1.3 to run an older game. Even the Amigas with Kickstart in ROM could be soft-kicked if necessary. I ran an A2000 with a 1.3 ROM that soft-kicked to a 2.0 ROM image, so I could run OS 2.0 when it was first released. Those were happy days! Mark.

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Archives?

by foo＠siconic.com

How come the CC archives at classiccmp.org are so sparse? What happened to the main archives? Is there somewhere I can go to find the complete thing? It would suck majorly if there is no longer a CC archive.

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HP86

by earl_evans＠yahoo.com

Hello Bill, If the HP-86 has not already been spoken for, I would like to speak up. It would be a fun addition to my collection. I have always liked the older HP systems. I'll be in the general area on Saturday 5/13 (driving back from San Jose, CA to Portland, OR), and could arrange to pick this up on the way. Let me know if this is still up for grabs :-) Thanks, - Earl --- Bill Yakowenko <yakowenk(a)cs.unc.edu> wrote: > Hey all, I have a line on an HP-86 up for grabs in California, > about 90 > miles north of Sacramento: > > ] HP-86 with manuals, monitor, two disc drives, memory > modules, matrix > ] manipulation hardware (never used), etc. I have not taken a > complete > ] inventory of what is there. Would be happy to GIVE it to > anyone that > ] has an interest. > > Let me know if you're interested, and I'll pass the word on. > > Cheers, > Bill. > > > ===== Earl Evans retro(a)retrobits.com Enjoy Retrocomputing Today! Join us at http://www.retrobits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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value of RK05

by allisonp＠world.std.com

--->The 11/74 was a little more than a prototype since a number of KB11-CM's >were built and implemented internally in DEC. The parts were assigned >real part numbers and were produced in limited quantities. That was SOP for DEC. Anytimg something needed to be produced outside of the lab and it was projected as production it would get the full treatment. >These 11/74's were pressed into 11/70 service when DEC couldn't meet the >demand for Telco (i.e. AT&T) 11/70's due to the FCC specs in the mid >'80's. They were allowed to sell refurb machines -- so the 11/74's from That and it threatend to take some of the 11/780s thunder. One forgets the 11/70 was the supermini of the day and not too shabby for some time after. >internal sites in Massachusetts and New Hampshire were s shipped to the >field to replace Field Service and Software (and in our case the Mid >Atlantic Region Sales) administrive machines in DEC so the 11/70's >running RSTS/E (usually) could be refurbed and shipped to AT&T sites. Not all though. The system known as Video was an 11/70 that was an 11/74 at another point in time. >My biggest fear was backplane failure -- since there were a couple of >11/74 board sets in the country -- but no one knew if there were any >backplanes out there and the 11/70 backplanes got real creaky after 10 >years or so of field maintenance. That and the multiport memory boxes. Allison

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Busses vs no busses

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>Bill said >> ...a distant decendant of the DEC CI780 and HSC50 >> disk interface SDI cable. That and the C64 serial bus, Epson PX-8 serial bus, Appletalk interconnect. Even I did a simple two wire bus for interconnect back in the early 80s. Firewire and USB are nothing new save for they are fast and cheap. >CI780 =? Cluster Interconnect ?? Yep >HSC50 =? Heirarchic Storage Controller ?? Yep yep. >SDI =? No Freakin' Clue. ??? Help! Strategic defense inititive... Storage domain interface... I forget. They did have onthing in common serial buses that ran at very high speeds as a simpler interconnect that could span significant distances. Even eithenet has been used that way. To revisit a earlier point S100 ws not a simple bus, crude yes, not simple. The cpu in the raw was on the bus so you had to do a lot of cycle decoding and grabing the right lines. If it had been done right the odd pins would have been all grounds and the bus would have ended up looking like multibus or STD. A simple bus would be SS50, much better in some ways and easier to interface to. Allison

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