- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

For those of us that have QIC tape drives, this fellow has a bunch of DC6525 tapes, most of them still in their shrink wrap. Please contact him directly if interested. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- In article <3942FDF3.2D13(a)worldnet.att.net>, you say... > Subject: Last chance for tapes > From: Jack LaBrecque <JITB(a)worldnet.att.net> > Reply-To: JITB(a)postoffice.worldnet.att.net > Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr, comp.sys.att, comp.periphs.scsi > > SONY QD6525N (Same as DC6525 from 3M) & 3M DDS-90 4mm. I have 50-100 of > each. Most are brand new and still in wrappers. Make me an offer or > they go to the dump. > > -- > Semper Fi > > Jack L > JITB's Home Page: > http://home.att.net/~jitb/ > JITB's USMC Page: > http://home.att.net/~jitb/usmc/usmc.htm > PFC Edward A. Peterson: > http://home.att.net/~jitb/ed/pete.htm > > -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner/Head Honcho, Blue Feather Technologies (http://www.bluefeathertech.com) kyrrin [a-t] bluefeathertech {d=o=t} com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Gym Z. Quirk)

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AppleTalk on the hoof

by owad＠applefritter.com

>::I personally used my SE/30 to generate the required GS/OS disks from >::Apple's Disk Copy images, so it does work. > >Okay, I'll give it a shot. Where can I get Disk Copy 4.2 from? Is this >on the Apple FTP site? ftp://ftp.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English- North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_4.2.sea.hqx Tom ------------------------------Applefritter------------------------------ Apple Prototypes, Clones, & Hacks - The obscure, unusual, & exceptional. ---------------------<http://www.applefritter.com/>---------------------

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ASCII e-mail vs iso-8859-1

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 10, R. D. Davis wrote: > > I agree 100%. Though I must point out that it has nothing at all to > > do with "older" or "newer" systems...it's primarily a "windows" or > > "non-windows" issue. > > Hmmm, so this is an operating systems vs. a pseudo operating system > issue. Thanks for the explanation. Well, pretty much, yes. -Dave McGuire

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GRiDCase 3 price question.

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

Does anybody know what the asking price for a GRiDCase 3 is? I would love to ad this to my collection one of these days. A bit of trivia: If anybody has seen the *long* version of the movie "Aliens" , the computers that the marines use to control the motion controlled smart guns are GRiDCases, I'm not sure which model. My guess is that they are GRiDCase 3's. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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ASCII e-mail vs iso-8859-1

by allisonp＠world.std.com

-----Original Message----- From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > I agree 100%. Though I must point out that it has nothing at all to >do with "older" or "newer" systems...it's primarily a "windows" or >"non-windows" issue. It's not that either. It's lazy or just plain lack of knowledge. outlook express and be told to use plain text (not rtf or html) and far as I know I'm doing just that from a NT4 system. It annoying to me as a NT/OE user as RTF and html will alter termprorary settings for fonts and all when I don't want that all due to someone who does not know. Allison

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In defense of NASA: was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Is > > the lack of security on the Internet possibly a well designed feature > > disguised as a flaw? > > No, it is because much of it is Unix oriented. And Unix > security is just not that good. This isn't quite right, but does explain why Internet security has not improved. First and foremost, like most other ARPA projects (such as Multics), the ARPAnet was meant to be a prototype for what a network could be. One of the base-level assumptions was that it would provide information sharing between a small number of trusted and trusting sites. However, from my own personal experience, I have never succeeded in creating a prototype of a system to show to management that management didn't say "a few more tweaks and we're done". Although prototypes, both Multics and ARPAnet were rushed into production because no one wanted to take the time to stop and do it over again, better the second time. regards, -doug quebbeman

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Updated Dilog contact information

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

>Delivered-To: cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com >From: Jack Olson <jacko(a)dilog.com> >To: "'cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com'" <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >Subject: FW: DLI MOVE >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:27:09 -0700 > > > >---------- >From: Jack Olsen >Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 11:35 AM >To: Jack Olsen >Subject: DLI MOVE > > >WHAT'S HAPPENING >AT DLI/DILOG? > > >If you've tried to reach us in the last couple of months, you probably >sense that there is something going on. Well you're right. The facility >that we have been occupying in Irvine for the last eight years was sold to >a church. So we had to relocate. > >We found the perfect site only 3 miles away in the city of Tustin and >proceeded to make what was supposed to be a seamless move to our >new digs the first week in March. Well, it wasn't so seamless. The first >problem was that even though we are close to the old place, the new one >was in a different area code, so we had to change telephone and fax >numbers. > >OK, the telephone company will take care of referrals from the old to >the new number. However, a good amount of our communications with >our customers was via email. Now you have to understand our internal >network and connections. We have a Novel system for file, print, email >and Internet access. the Novel is connected to a Linux firewall Internet >gateway. The Linux accesses the Internet every 15 minutes during the >day to retrieve and send email for the company, then delivers it to our >desk with Microsoft exchange. Nice working system. > >No problem. Just disconnect the parts at the old place, and reconnect at >the new, plug into the wall and run. Right? - - Wrong. The Novel >systems disk decided that it didn't like the climate at it's new home and >proceeded to show its displeasure with a series of strange metal against >metal sounds. No problem, we have a Libra library backup system and >are fully backed up. Put on the new disk and restore the Novel system. >Well, the Libra is one of the first ever made and has been chugging >away everyday since we originally installed it. The DAT drive went on >strike and had to be replaced. Once that was done we found out how >important it is to remember where one packs the backup tape set. > >OK its now late March, the Novel server is up and running, but the >building Ethernet wiring is not correct. Emails are being received >sporadically. Bob gets the building wiring squared away and all is >looking well when we receive a registered letter from Concentric, our >Internet service provider telling us that they are discontinuing our dial- >up account on Apr. 24. > >Time to enter the 21st century - we proceed to order an enhanced DSL >service. They can't install until May 1. Call Concentric and see if they >will stretch our disconnect date until then. Officially they cannot agree >to do this. Unofficially it is done - Thank You Concentric. On May 1, >our DSL is installed - but we are given the wrong network connection >card to the Linux system. Got the correct card - DSL works - WOW - >real time mail delivery. > >So now we're here in our new facility with a fully operational LAN and >Internet. > >If you had some trouble reaching us, we apologize. We are here for you >and are now fully accessible via phone - at our new number, fax - at our >new number, or email and web page at the same number. > >Phone 714-508-1040, fax 714-508-1050, >email info(a)dilog.com, www.dilog.com. > >So remember, same great products for Qbus and Unibus, - > >Same support, - > >New digs. - > >Give us a call. > >Sincerely, > >The DLI crew >

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Removing surface-mounted ICs

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, Thanks for the several helpful replies on this topic. On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 Clint Wolff wrote: > I would recommend against putting the board in an oven. This will > result in the entire IC getting too hot, and possibly breaking. > Modern plastic package absorb a small amount of water from the air. > Heating the part may result in a small steam explosion. ICs are > shipped from the factory in sealed bags with some desiccant inside. > The label on the outside says to solder them down within a fairly > short time after opening (couple days IIRC). Ah, I have read about that. IC manufacturers often specify a procedure to use when chips which may have absorbed water are to be used. This involves baking at low temperature for a while. Assuming that (for the purposes of removing absorbed water) one plastic IC package is the same as the next, at which temperature and for how long should this baking be done? The lowest setting on my oven is 70 degrees C. If that is low enough -- I guess it should be as most ICs are specified for operation to 75 C or so -- I may try putting the board in there for 12 or 24 hours, before turning the temperature up to melt the solder. -- Mark

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ASCII e-mail vs iso-8859-1

by rdd＠smart.net

Greetings, Can certain list members who aren't sending standard ASCII text kindly fix their e-mail software so that they stop sending messagse that could possibly cause problems for some people using older systems? Doesn't it seem a little strange that people who are interested in computer preservation are sending iso-8859-1 character set messages instead of normal ASCII to a mailing list where others are likely to be using older systems to read their e-mail? Once ASCII goes away, then we've all got problems that would make our older systems very much incompatible with everything else and less useful. Is not plain old ASCII one standard that we should value and do our best to keep >from going out of use? -- R. D. Davis rdd(a)perqlogic.com http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd 410-744-4900

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Wirin' up blinkenlights

by allisonp＠world.std.com

-----Original Message----- From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, June 09, 2000 11:52 PM Subject: Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights > >>For the blinkenlights, my least favorite choice is LEDs; does anyone >>have a reason for a preference of Ne2 bulbs over incandescent bulbs or >>vice versa? NE2 bulbs need 75-90v db supply to run. If your to use them use NE2H as they are brighter. >Actually in my PDP-8/x the use of white LEDs seems like it will be a win. Almost... White leds are biased toward blue white and incandesent lamps were white biased toward red. Also with incandesant the color of the lens cap was a factor. for examaple it could be red, amber, green even blue. Allison

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In defense of NASA: was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>And don't overlook one Charles Goodyear. If he had not accidentally >dropped a sample of latex laced with carbon black on a hot stove, we >might still be on wooden wheels with iron treads. I thought it was sulphur. Carbon black was added for light/uv resistance. Allison

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AppleTalk on the hoof

by ckaiser＠oa.ptloma.edu

Great brag today. Two ROM 03 Apple IIgses with 1MB RAM, keyboards, two sets of two each of 5.25" and 3.5" UniDisks and a nice composite monitor. But that's not the interesting part. The interesting part is the Mac SE/30 that came with them. It runs System 6 (cough) and AppleShare File Server. It looks like this was the file server for the IIgs systems, since the disk is full of AppleWorks, Oregon Trail and ProDOS boot images. :-) How do I get the IIgses to speak AppleTalk? I have the parts for building the network, and I know IIgs systems can do it (I've seen it), but obviously I need some additional software which unfortunately did NOT come with the package. This might be stretching it, but can they network boot? The IIgs Control Panel (CTRL-OPTION-RESET) yielded nothing too helpful. By the way, total cost was $0.00 ;-) (Well, I did have to buy an ADB mouse for the Mac, which was missing too. $40?! Highway robbery. But I shan't complain too much :-) -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)ptloma.edu -- "I'd love to go out with you, but I'm rethreading my toothbrush bristles." -

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IBM System/38 Availible

by mrdos＠swbell.net

There is an IBM System/38 with Tape Drive and 4 Disk Drives available in San Francisco California. If you are interested contact Rbatist(a)aol.com . If you get it, tell me all about it 'cause I REALLY wanted this one, but there isn't enough time to arrange for shipping.

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Tandy 2 drive oops

by ckaiser＠oa.ptloma.edu

Roger, I think you sent me an answer about the Tandy 2 floppy drive, but in my haste I deleted it by accident. Could you resend it? I'm terribly sorry about that. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)ptloma.edu -- "I'd love to go out with you, but my personalities each need therapy." -----

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OT Ranting (blather blather blather) Re: In defense of NASA:was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>> Somehow, probably with the help of marketing people, WD-40 could "do" >> both jobs. It does contain some very light oil. Not the best lube though, then again mousemilk isn't either and I have both for those times when... WD40, like LPS-5, 3in1, LMO (light machine oil) and various lubricants on my shelf are like the assortment of hammers I have. Some are brass dead blows, plastic, wood, claw and ballpeen all for specific uses. When used for the right purpose the right to is a great help. WD40 is like screwdrivers as they get used for hammers, prybars and whatnot all to the great consternation of the machinest sorts that know and appreciate tools. Allison

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Wirin' up blinkenlights

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 8, R. D. Davis wrote: > It's not only bizarre, it's apparently someone's idea of a sick joke, > that the most boring and poorly designed systems are the ones that > most people depend on these days which have replaced the VAXen, etc. A sick joke, indeed. > Is it not true, however, that all computers are toys, and that PDP's, > VAXen and Crays could have been considered toys when they were new? This is a good point. While I will slap anyone who walks into my computer room (containing about twenty machines, no PCs, well over a terabyte of disk storage, one Cray...some "classic" machines, some not) and calls anything a "toy"...I enjoy working with these systems so much that I can honestly call it "fun". As much fun as retrocomputing on the older PDP and VAX systems, as a matter of fact. So is it really that offensive to call them "toys"? Maybe not. One must not forget, however, that there *are* PDPs, VAXen, and Crays that are *not* so old. The PC marketeers would have everyone believe that anything that isn't a PC is old technology. That simply isn't the case. There are new (current technology) PDP11 systems (Mentec), there are new (albeit based on older technology) VAXen, and there are certainly new Crays. It's a stretch, but it seems that preserving "classic" computers is almost an exercise in preserving anything that's not a current Windoze box. -Dave McGuire

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Fixin' der Tandy 2 floppydrivenspiegelthingengruppebochs

by ckaiser＠oa.ptloma.edu

Good news und bat news. I got a nice Tandy 200 package today, unit, power supplies, manuals and even some Club 100 disks in the original hard case. Very nice and the machine, after a little of fiddling and a cold start, is running well. That's the good news. The bad news, alas, is the 3.5" RS-232 floppy that came with it. (Yes, RS-232 floppy drive; hopefully someone has seen one of these.) It will not power up on either the power supply (original power supply, btw, which works with the M200 just fine), or new batteries. All it does is flash its low battery light briefly, spin for about a second, and shut off. I took a look at the board but couldn't see anything physically shot. Anyone have experience with these drives? What are my options? Part of getting this thing was so that I would have a floppy to save on, and maybe even get my 8201A to talk to it :-) Thanks in advance. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)ptloma.edu -- Arguments with furniture are rarely productive. -- Kehlog Albran -----------

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In defense of NASA: was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> The space program, while costing the taxpayers a sizable amount > of money, has produced huge quantities of spinoff projects and > technologies that have definitely benefitted mankind. I don't personally equate NASA with the space program. Yes, NASA runs the only real space program we have. But while R. D. Davis seems to decry them both, and many others are jumping in to defend both, let me offer an alternative view. For the most part, I have always supported manned space flight. And once upon a time working at NASA was my dream. But over the years, and particularly in the way that they acquired and then deliberately destroyed the Delta Clipper project and prototype (yes I have read the NASA reports in full and I still conclude the engineer who failed to check the landing strut because the instructions he got did not specify to do so most likely did so deliberately and on directions from higher-ups), I have come to see NASA as a bloated bureaucracy that would be best put to sleep. But I would still replace NASA with something that would carry on manned spaceflight. As for individuals, so also for society, that [a] mans reach should exceed his grasp. respectfully submitted, doug quebbeman

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Old laptops as cheap terminals (was Re: Old Macs = cheap terminals)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- allisonp <allisonp(a)world.std.com> wrote: > Don't you need a bidirectional port for the PE3? I have a few of them and > have never tried them on xtclass boxen for that reason. At least the older Xircom adapters can work in nybble-mode with a uni- directional port. I just didn't think they'd break it with the newer models. I want a PE3, not PE2 because of power consumption - the PE3 can be powered off of a parasitic cable (typically from the keyboard jack, but there isn't one on an XT laptop; I was just going to wire one in). There are parameters you can tell the PE3 to use when connecting the driver, but I'd have to look them up; I haven't actually used a parallel port adapter since I was at McMurdo. > What I'd like to find is a driver for that that works under win95, nt4, > linux or Minix. the ones I have are dos, win3.x and maybe OS/2 V??. AFAIK, there will never be any newer drivers because Xircom isn't forthcoming with their internals details. I tried for a long time to get info out of them so I could adapt a PE3 to the Amiga, but they formally rejected my written propsal because they didn't want to be in anything but the DOS market. Since then, they've been more flexible, so the newer PCMCIA Xircom NICs work, but I have this CE-10BT that only works under older stuff (fortunately, I do happen to have a PCMCIA NIC or two that _is_ supported under Linux; my CE3B-100BTX the only thing I have for the laptop that will go 100Mbps and isn't Cardbus). -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com

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Wirin' up blinkenlights

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

For a lot of things, maybe...but lots of computational tasks simply aren't well suited to running on a thousand tiny buzzing Intel processors. -Dave McGuire On June 8, Richard Erlacher wrote: > Well . . . you're right, but it might read, "300 PC's replace CRAY - film at > 11." That's in place of the popular Cheers or Frasier reruns . . . > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights > > > > > > PC replaces Cray...film at 11. > > > > Not quite yet, I'm afraid. The PC isn't the end-all, be-all of > > computing. > > > > -Dave McGuire > > > > On June 8, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > Careful, now . . . due to the passage of time and the change of the > > > "climate" the PDP's, Vaxen, Cray's, etc, that are sitting in basements > and > > > garages are the toys now, and the former toys, the PC's, are the "real" > > > computers. Bizzarre, isn't it? > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: R. D. Davis <rdd(a)smart.net> > > > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 4:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Tony Duell wrote: > > > > > > simulator and a PDP-11/45 front panel with no CPU boards. I'd > like to > > > do > > > > > > sort of a faux PDP-11/45 with this setup by somehow wiring the > front > > > panel > > > > > > up to the PC running Sim. > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I completely out of my mind, or is there even the remotest > chance > > > of > > > > > > > > > > We're all out of our minds on this list ;-) > > > > > > > > Actually, I think that adding blinking lights, and switches, to any > > > > computer is a good idea, and, as my PDP-11s don't have lights and > > > > switches, I think it's time to add them... by creating a separate rack > > > > panel, of course. Has anyone here added lights and switches to one of > > > > the PDP-11s of incomplete design? > > > > > > > > > It's _possible_. It's probably less work to find a set of 11/45 CPU > > > > > boards and get them working, but it's still _possible_ to do what > you > > > ask. > > > > > > > > The idea of finding a set of PDP-11 boards is a better idea, as then > the > > > > front panel could be used with non-toy computer equipment. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > R. D. Davis > > > > rdd(a)perqlogic.com > > > > http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd > > > > 410-744-4900 > > > > > >

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Decwriter III's in Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I have two Decwriter III's that were taken out of service in January. They were working when turned off. They are not light weight. I will send them to anyone who wants them for $10 each plus shipping. The $10 is to find a box/pallet and haul them to the shipping office. Anybody can have them for free if they want to pick them up. The other option is I donate them to the computer surplus. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Q-bus (was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- allisonp <allisonp(a)world.std.com> wrote: > >Interesting idea, a Q-bus front panel. > > > >signals are there as well. A DMA cycle can take forever so you could build > > nope, it will bus timout on you. Boy did we find that out the hard way. The Software Results Q-Board was built back in the days of the MicroVAX-I and MicroPDP-11. The designers picked some time (by tapping off of a stage on a divide-by-N counter) to timeout while waiting for a DMA cycle. It was well outside the Q-bus spec of the day. This board worked in MicroVAX-II and -III designs with no complaint. Eventually, someone wanted to stick a Q-Board in a VAX 4000 with a TLZ04 interface. By the time this machine came out, the Q-bus was no longer implemented in the way it once was. Certain cards were no longer "in spec". The upshot of this was that the TLZ04 interface could grab the bus longer than the Q-Board would wait. The fix was to redesign the bus timeout circuit (a cut and a jump and a new PAL) because DEC sure wasn't going to change their interface to work in an older Qbus box. It took us quite a while to find this one because our board didn't change and there were no problems in 99% of the VAX 4000s out there. It was a piggy controller. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com

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OT: Re: In defense of NASA

by mtapley＠swri.edu

R. D. et al, (* Disclaimer: I'm full time on a NASA project, the IMAGE mission, though my direct employer is Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio, Texas, who does a lot of commercial space work as well as NASA. My views are mine alone, however, and do not represent company policy nor that of NASA. *) ... so you know which side my bread's buttered on, and by the way if you are a taxpayer, I thank you very much for your support and hope you feel that you get your money's worth out of IMAGE (http://pluto.space.swri.edu/IMAGE/) (you can see data on some of the links referenced there). I've worked hard to make it so. > Has the space program had any positive influence on >spirituality and humanity's relationship with Nature? Yes. Remember the photo of the Earth, taken by the returning Apollo mission? Or Earthrise over the moon? That's a perspective that could never have been achieved without manned spaceflight. (I say manned, because no machine would have been programmed to look in the right direction at the right time, and notice the incredible aesthetic impact of that image, and capture it.) Its value is of course subjective - but there's a generation grown now that *knows*, because they've seen it, that Earth is just a big blue marble and not the entire universe. For better or worse, it's a finite planet. Is the ozone hole a big deal? Maybe, maybe not; but we would never have known about it - because we would never have noticed it - without the *global* data that could only be provided by satellite observations. What about global warming? We might have picked that up in 10 or 15 years from temperature measurements at land stations, or maybe not. In any case, it would have taken more years for global climate modelers to convince everyone else that the land data they had, plus limited sea-surface measurements from ships, really did amount to a significant change. Global sea-surface temperature measurements, collected by satellites, provided that insight to us about a quarter of a century earlier than we would otherwise have had it. Same notation for El Nino. Whether we take advantage of the data we have, and do smart things with it, is an open question, but we would not even have the options, in those cases, without spaceflight. There are similar arguments for land-use patterns, deforestation, pollution (airborne and water-borne) plumes, etc etc etc. Not that the data *could* not be collected without spacecraft - but that it would have been a lot harder and more expensive and in most cases *would* not have been done. We know our terrestrial problems better because of space activities. Communications satellites carry WWF, so maybe I shouldn't bring those up, .... oh heck yes I should. Living in North America, I can watch NHK news live broadcasts from Japan (for example). Is that a cultural benefit? You bet. I can see, and hear (and heck, maybe one day even understand) what's being thought and done about problems I don't even have (earthquakes? volcanoes? not in Texas), half a big blue marble away. Cultures I would never know existed are as close as a twist of a knob. Sure, some of that could be done with undersea lines - but not as soon and not as cheaply as with a satellite link. As for the Columbus argument ... I'm always nervous about that one. For me as a born Texan, descended of Germand and English settlers, heck yeah it was great that Isabella hocked her jewelry to pay for that expedition. As a Spaniard, I'd probably be a bit less enthusiastic; I mean looking at Spain now, it didn't do them much good in the long term. As a native American, I'd be pretty bummed about it - why didn't the silly Europeans stay over there and pave Europe? Depends on your perspective. But what I do think Spain bought for Columbus' trip, and was cheap at the price, and what I think NASA has bought for us and was *incredibly* cheap at the price, is potential. We know we *can* build solar power satellites and beam microwave energy to Earth to supply electricity for our classic computers :-) without contributing (as much) to global warming. We know we can put long-term facilities in low Earth orbit for medical reasons or biomedical research or crystallography or whatever. We know we can put people on the Moon and bring them home intact. We know we can go to Mars and colonize it, if we choose to. Those options are expensive, and some of them may not be worth it - it's a choice we have to make. But the fact that we *have* the choice is worth a lot to us as a nation, or as a species. - Mark

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OT Ranting (blather blather blather) Re: In defense of NASA: was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I look foward to your answers, and if I'm wrong or am overlooking > > something, I'd very much like to know about it. > > Dude, one word: TANG! I dittoed a Davis rant the other day, today I gotta nix one. Sellam, let me second your motion with- Teflon! -doug q

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In defense of NASA: was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> > Do any computer preservationists seriously use their > systems to heat their > > houses in the winter in place of a furnace? > I live in South Florida... Even a PC will keep my house warm. Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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In defense of NASA: was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@smart.net] > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 1:35 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: In defense of NASA: was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights > > > On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Merle K. Peirce wrote: > > I think the space programme is invaluable. How else are we > going to find > > a place to ship Trent Lott? I for one, was glad when Congressman John Glenn went back into space. Although, I was a bit disappointed when he returned. Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Old laptops as cheap terminals (was Re: Old Macs = cheap terminals)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>I bought an ancient Zenith XT laptop (dual 720K floppies) for $10 at a local >box shop explicity for a terminal. I have a DOS 3.3 boot disk in it with >Kermit, and away I go. If I could lay my hands on a cheap Xircom PE3 (no >flames, please), I'd use the laptop as an IP "terminal", too (for the Don't you need a bidirectional port for the PE3? I have a few of them and have never tried them on xtclass boxen for that reason. What I'd like to find is a driver for that that works under win95, nt4, linux or Minix. the ones I have are dos, win3.x and maybe OS/2 V??. Allison

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In defense of NASA: was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 9, 0:08, Zane H. Healy wrote: > On June 9, R. D. Davis wrote: > >Do any computer preservationists seriously use their systems to heat their > >houses in the winter in place of a furnace? > > Well, the room in the house with all the computers (well, except the ones > living in the garage) has the heating blocked off, Same with my office/computer room; there are two machines and an old (and therefore relatively power-hungry) hub that are on 24/7. It's a small room and has the heating off and the two adjacent rooms have the heating turned way down. There's usually a machine in the garage on 24/7 in the winter; if ever it's not on, there's a heater and/or dehumidifier there to protect the tools and 'puters. > OTOH, most of that heat comes from 1 21" monitor, and the real problem is > the design of this house. Even without the computer equipment on this room > is considerably hotter than the rest of the house. Funny how that happens, isn't it? Mine's the same: upper floor, centre room, just at the top of the stairs, seems to collect all the heat from downstairs -- and has a 20" Sony GDM1961/VRT-19HA. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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In defense of NASA: was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 9, R. D. Davis wrote: > ObClassiccmp: > ------------- > > Do any computer preservationists seriously use their systems to heat their > houses in the winter in place of a furnace? I haven't run a heater in winter for quite some time. I have a small electric/ceramic heater in the bedroom because it's difficult to move the heat that far away from the machine room. But I only need that on the coldest of days. None of those are really my "classic" machines but I figured it'd fit. :) -Dave McGuire

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3B2/600 Free to Whomever wants it... (fwd)

by rdd＠smarty.smart.net

I found this on comp.sys.3b1 in case anyone can save it: ------- start of forwarded message ------- Path: news.smart.net!outfeed2.news.cais.net!info.usuhs.mil!uky.edu!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.atl!news4.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <393A683B.F0D3731C(a)bellsouth.net> From: Average Torvaldsian <mflang(a)bellsouth.net> Organization: Happy enough without any, thanks for asking... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.37 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.3b1 Subject: 3B2/600 Free to Whomever wants it... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 10:31:23 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.78.231.1 X-Trace: news4.mco 960142535 216.78.231.1 (Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:15:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:15:35 EDT Xref: news.smart.net comp.sys.att:2874 comp.sys.3b1:1794 I have a 3B2/600 to give to whomever wants it. It belonged to the local AT&T group here in Orlando FL (as an asset tag), and is apparently the only survivor of three that fed Usenet into the Central Florida area. It works fine, boots without problem, and includes a console terminal, keyboard, user books, and a number of tapes. One of those is said to be a bootable tape with a complete backup. Sixteen megs ram, two 120 meg SCSI drives, 5.25" floppy and tape drives. It does not have an net card, though: that died and was removed before I got it, nor does it have any disks. I don't have any time to devote to the poor thing, it looks all forlorn sitting in the corner, and I'd really like to see it go to someone who has the time to get the thing running. Obviously, due to the size and weight, I can not ship it, but it is here to be picked up in east Orange County, Fla, pretty much anytime. If you are close by in a surrounding county, I would be willing to bring it to you. If interested, <mailto:mflang@bellsouth.net> or <mailto:qillerpenguin@hotmail.com> and we'll arrange pickup/drop off. Max. (ps: during the last week of June and first week of July, I will be in the Davenport (Scott County) area of Iowa, and if someone in the surrounding area is interested in it, let me know, as I'd also be willing to bring it for delivery.) -- All parts should go together without forcing... By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925. ------- end of forwarded message ------- -- -- R. D. Davis rdd(a)perqlogic.com http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd 410-744-4900

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Australian Totalisator

by foo＠siconic.com

Here is a great website that documents a until now unknown (to me at least) tabulating system invented in Australia in around 1913 used at horse tracks. http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bconlon/ It is a pretty amazing history. It extends into the digital computer age and goes into some detail about the use of PDP 11's which eventually replaced the mechanical and then electromechanical design. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... Coming soon: VCF 4.0! VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Wirin' up blinkenlights

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>Interesting idea, a Q-bus front panel. > >The address lines are present, just wire those up to lights. Various Nope! they are address/data multiplexed... you have to latch the address and data to display it. >signals are there as well. A DMA cycle can take forever so you could build nope, it will bus timout on you. >the switch register to deposit directly into memory. Decoding an address >for the switch register in the top 4K would be pretty straightforward as Yes it would. >well. Does anyone know if there is a defined location for it? Displaying >registers would be difficult to do "on the fly" however you could probably >force the CPU to execute a MOV Rx, #DISPLY fairly easily. Software loop on an interrupt would write to static latches to do that. >Circuit Cellar Ink on building your own CPU in an FPGA (see >www.fpgacpu.org) and it included a VGA interface (which they displayed >characters on) clearly however if you were using it as God intended you >would create a virtual front panel :-) interesting. The reason for frontpannels in the first place was more diagnostic in nature and to start them up. When ram and rom got cheaper along with mass storage the whole point of the frontpannel becomes passe`. My 8f would be hard to use without it as it has no rom and it's a maintenance tool. From the other side, it would be pointless on the 11/73 as the rom monitor is much more useful than any front pannel. The ALTAIR was the machine that made having a frontpannel when rom would do clear for me. It was a lot of hardware to do what a simple rom card could do better. Allison

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Wirin' up blinkenlights

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

PC replaces Cray...film at 11. Not quite yet, I'm afraid. The PC isn't the end-all, be-all of computing. -Dave McGuire On June 8, Richard Erlacher wrote: > Careful, now . . . due to the passage of time and the change of the > "climate" the PDP's, Vaxen, Cray's, etc, that are sitting in basements and > garages are the toys now, and the former toys, the PC's, are the "real" > computers. Bizzarre, isn't it? > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: R. D. Davis <rdd(a)smart.net> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights > > > > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Tony Duell wrote: > > > > simulator and a PDP-11/45 front panel with no CPU boards. I'd like to > do > > > > sort of a faux PDP-11/45 with this setup by somehow wiring the front > panel > > > > up to the PC running Sim. > > > > > > > > Am I completely out of my mind, or is there even the remotest chance > of > > > > > > We're all out of our minds on this list ;-) > > > > Actually, I think that adding blinking lights, and switches, to any > > computer is a good idea, and, as my PDP-11s don't have lights and > > switches, I think it's time to add them... by creating a separate rack > > panel, of course. Has anyone here added lights and switches to one of > > the PDP-11s of incomplete design? > > > > > It's _possible_. It's probably less work to find a set of 11/45 CPU > > > boards and get them working, but it's still _possible_ to do what you > ask. > > > > The idea of finding a set of PDP-11 boards is a better idea, as then the > > front panel could be used with non-toy computer equipment. > > > > -- > > R. D. Davis > > rdd(a)perqlogic.com > > http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd > > 410-744-4900 > >

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Old laptops as cheap terminals (was Re: Old Macs = cheap terminals)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>At least the older Xircom adapters can work in nybble-mode with a uni- >directional port. I just didn't think they'd break it with the newer >models. I want a PE3, not PE2 because of power consumption - the PE3 Ah ha, I wondered. >can be powered off of a parasitic cable (typically from the keyboard >jack, but there isn't one on an XT laptop; I was just going to wire >one in). There are parameters you can tell the PE3 to use when connecting I know, remember I said I have a few. I'll have to try one on the XT laptop. Allison

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DEC Hinote supervisor password

by mbg＠world.std.com

I know this is on the more contemporary side of the 10 year rule, but could someone contact me off-list who knows how to reset or override the supervisor password on a DEC Hinote (not ultra, not 2000)? Thanks in advance... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Perverted Mac-OS idea (was: Perverted DOS idea)

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

>::>Where can I find a list of INTs DOS uses? I checked a couple of >bookstores >::>but most of them aren't too helpful with low-level DOS. >:: >::People have already pointed you at Ralf Brown's wonderful interrupt list >::(which BTW is available in webified form at http://ctyme.com/rbrown.htm), >::but just to point out the obvious: it doesn't matter! If your emulation >is >::accurate enough to be useful, DOS will take care of itself. You'll >probably >::want to provide your own BIOS though, and for that the IBM PC or AT Tech >Ref >::manuals are wonderful. Computer Reset used to have NOS tech ref books at >::very good prices, don't know if that's still true or even if they're >still >::in business. Anyway, obviously the BIOS is your chance to substitute >some >::native I/O w/o having to muck with DOS itself. > >Well, it would be a sullied implementation. I'm thinking of having a native >6502 IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS (and probably COMMAND.COM), so the INTs would >need >to be simulated by that: hence the list :-) > >-- >----------------------------- personal page: >http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser * Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)ptloma.edu >-- Laughter is the closest distance between two people. -- Victor Borge >------- No way! You wouldn't want to ruin a Commodore 64 with that crap! Hell, while you guys are at it, why don't you try to port Mac-OS, or worse yet, MS Windows, to the Commodore 64. ____________________________________________________________ David Vohs, Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian. Home page: http://www.geocities.com/netsurfer_x1/ Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64C, 1802, 1541, FSD-1, GeoRAM 512, Okimate 20. "Leela": Macintosh 128 (Plus upgrade), Nova SCSI HDD, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. "Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer 3. "Boombox": Sharp PC-7000. ____________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Perverted DOS idea

by ckaiser＠oa.ptloma.edu

This is what happens to you when you study biochemistry all week. I had a perverted idea of building a DOS emulator on a C64 -- i.e., have the C64 emulate the 8086 in software, either in real time or some sort of JIT compilation method. How little memory could you run something like, say, DOS 3.3 in? All I would be supporting is a basic command set like COMMAND.COM, EDLIN, DEBUG, maybe XCOPY, etc. And are the INTs documented anywhere? Just a perverted idea, like I said. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)ptloma.edu -- "Garbage in -- gospel out" -------------------------------------------------

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 8, Jason McBrien wrote: > Try to snag an older version. I picked up Etherpeek 3.0 for $50 from a used > software store on-line. Works fine, or you can do linux/MacBSD and get a > sniffer for free. No pretty X interface though. I seem to remember having seen a gorgeous GUI-fied Unix packet sniffer package from Curtin University in Australia. PacketMan or something? -Dave McGuire

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Old Macs = cheap terminals

by rdd＠smart.net

An idea for who use classic computers: since we usually require plenty of terminals to attach to our classic computers, those compact Apple Macs, such as the 512K or SE, found in more plentiful supply than terminals at hamfests, have one very good use: use them as terminals running terminal emulation software. While other microcomptuers such as IBM type toy PCs are also useful as terminals for computers, the old Macintoshes consume less electicity. -- R. D. Davis rdd(a)perqlogic.com http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd 410-744-4900

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Old Macs = cheap terminals

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 8, R. D. Davis wrote: > An idea for who use classic computers: since we usually require plenty > of terminals to attach to our classic computers, those compact Apple > Macs, such as the 512K or SE, found in more plentiful supply than > terminals at hamfests, have one very good use: use them as terminals > running terminal emulation software. While other microcomptuers such > as IBM type toy PCs are also useful as terminals for computers, the > old Macintoshes consume less electicity. I second this. There are several VERY high-quality terminal emulators available for Macs. That same Mac can also sit on the ethernet for lan access as well (for the later NuBus machines, that is)... -Dave McGuire

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OT: Archiving data/video/movies/photos/oral history

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:16:50 -0400 (EDT) William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> writes: > Real men use the original dynamotors. Here, here. Vibra-paks are for wussies :^). > And these days, those hams that modify Command Sets are often found > with thier mouths filled with cement. It's just as well, he wouldn't be able to make much use of his ARC-5 transmitter on the air in un-modified condition. <dons flame suit> I do recall an article from '73 magazine in the early 50's, that told you how to chop up an ARC-5 transmitter to turn it into a VFO. IIRC, you chop the chassis off at the oscillator coils. . . . :^) Jeff Kaneko KH6JJN ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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OT: Archiving data/video/movies/photos/oral history

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>This is the crux of the matter. The plastics used in consumer devices are >junk, and many times the implementation is done with little thought to >durability, only cost. Sometimes plastics are used in very interesting ways. I remember one Sony Walkman-style tape transport from the 1980's, where there were *zero* metal screws in it. The entire assembly was snap-together plastic. Cheap? Absolutely! But design-wise, very interesting. Tim.

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Perverted DOS idea

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Cameron: There are several sources for this info. Look for Ralf Brown. He made an "interrupt list" which is just a list of *all* interrupts. Mike Podanofsky wrote RxDOS, a DOS clone for the book "Dissecting DOS" from Addison-Wellsley. His company is API Software in New Hampshire. Try http://www.freedos.org/files/distributions/rxdos/ for a code distribution. The documentation and comments are excellent. -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Kaiser [mailto:ckaiser@oa.ptloma.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:17 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Perverted DOS idea ::> How little memory could you run something like, say, DOS 3.3 in? All I ::> would be supporting is a basic command set like COMMAND.COM, EDLIN, DEBUG, ::> maybe XCOPY, etc. And are the INTs documented anywhere? :: ::I'd guess 128k and certainly in 256k. the Command.com itself is some 27k ::or 33k alone. That was the thing I was worried about. Maybe I'll write Command.com natively instead. Someone suggested emulation from disk, and that's exactly how I was thinking of doing it. Where can I find a list of INTs DOS uses? I checked a couple of bookstores but most of them aren't too helpful with low-level DOS. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)ptloma.edu -- UBAX vs lbh ybir EBG-13 ----------------------------------------------------

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Removing soldered components

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

At my last job I had the luck to have access to a real/live solder sucker component remover. I found it on the top shelf of the electronics lab and fired it up. The rig was a small vacuum pump with a long hose attached to it, allowing the heated air to cool somewhat, with a glass tip. The glass tip was filled with some kind of mesh filter where the solder that was removed could cling. These little solder filters were replaceable. This glass tip was attached to a soldering iron. The vacuum pump was controlled by a foot switch. It took some trial and error to use the system. It takes some eye-hand coordination to operate this system. Don't try after 1-2 beers. I also need longer arms because my vision is extending. Works well for small number of components, not very production oriented. The whole system is probably still in the lab and hasn't been used since I left. "Solder sucker component remover" (TM) Mike "I'm waiting for all of my current memory to disappear and them I can live in the past."

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The more I like my VAX, the more I hate Compaq...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> EDT *is* a line editor, until you (or your init file) type > CHANGE that is. I count four different editors hiding inside EDT: > > 1. Original non-keypad change mode (from EDT V1), annoying modal thing > like "vi" but of course totally different (SET CHANGE NOKEYPAD gets you > this IIRC). > 2. Line mode, when you haven't typed CHANGE yet. > 3. CHANGE mode on a VT100 etc. (what we're all used to) > 4. CHANGE mode on a hardcopy terminal. Bizarre! > > Are there more? > > >but the best thing to do > >with SOS (other than not use it) is pretend it's the old Micro$oft BASIC > >line editor. At least, that's how _I_ learned to use it, having come from > >the TRS-80 Model I and found myself dropped on a VAX. > > Boy it's been a while, I remember thinking SOS was very much > like the TRS-80 Model II EDTASM. Close enough! Other way around; SOS was first (on DEC-10). I got so accustomed to it that I copied Alan Miller's 8080 version into an extension of the old Processor Technology Software #1 (also known as SCS- Self Contained System), and later implemented it in PL/1 as part of a custom command environment for the primos operating system at revisions 17 and 18 (Prime later added its own command-line editing). I have the 8080 code for what I called 'SCSNEW' (it has a ram-based file system, cassette I/O, hooks into SOLOS for P-Tech SOL owners), code to drive an IMSAI UCRI tape board, debugger, and god-knows-what else I dumped into it and forgot about. The source was set up for Intel's Mac80 cross-assembler. You'd need to make a few changes to it for other assemblers. If anyone's interested in it, let me know... -doug q

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Need DEC MMJ stuffs

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody know where I can get a quantity (<10) of DEC MMJ-to-MMJ cables (for hooking a VT320/420 to a MicroVAX / VAXstation) and some MMJ-to-DB25F / DB25M adapters? I tried contacting Tim Shoppa, but his zShops stuff wont let me order the adapters and he hasnt responded to multiple emails.... Thanks. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill(a)sunhelp.org | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+

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VCF Link Contest

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

I've got some automated test tools available that could make this a shoe in. Naw... I wouldn't do that. :-) Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 3:15 PM > To: Classic Computers Mailing List > Subject: VCF Link Contest > > > > I'm running a contest on the VCF website right now. If you > add a link to > your website pointing to the VCF and you garner the most > referals between > now and VCF 4.0, you'll win $50! > > Check out http://www.vintage.org/contests/link.html for > complete details. > > Sellam International Man of > Intrigue and Danger > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > Coming soon: VCF 4.0! > VCF East: Planning in Progress > See http://www.vintage.org for details! > >

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OT: HUMOR: New Microsoft Messages

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

> >New Microsoft error messages: > > In Japan, they have replaced the impersonal and unhelpful Microsoft > error messages with their own Japanese haiku poetry, each only 17 > syllables, 5 syllables in the first line, 7 in the second, five in > the third. > ------------------------ > Your file was so big. > It might be very useful. > But now it is gone. > ------------------------ > The Web site you seek > Can not be located but > Countless more exist. > ------------------------ > Chaos reigns within. > Reflect, repent, and reboot. > Order shall return. > ------------------------ > ABORTED effort: > Close all that you have worked on. > You ask far too much. > ------------------------ > Windows NT crashed. > I am the Blue Screen of Death. > No one hears your screams. > ------------------------ > Yesterday it worked. > Today it is not working. > Windows is like that. > ------------------------ > First snow, then silence. > This thousand dollar screen dies > So beautifully. > ------------------------ > With searching comes loss > And the presence of absence: > "My Novel" not found. > ------------------------ > The Tao that is seen > Is not the true Tao--until > You bring fresh toner. > ------------------------ > Stay the patient course. > Of little worth is your ire. > The network is down. > ------------------------ > A crash reduces > Your expensive computer > To a simple stone. > ------------------------ > Three things are certain: > Death, taxes, and lost data. > Guess which has occurred. > ------------------------ > You step in the stream, > But the water has moved on. > This page is not here. > ------------------------ > Out of memory. > We wish to hold the whole sky, > But we never will. > ------------------------ > Having been erased, > The document you're seeking > Must now be retyped. > ------------------------ > Serious error. > All shortcuts have disappeared. > Screen. Mind. Both are blank. > .... . ... .. . . > >Attachment Converted: "C:\ATTACH\NewMicro.htm" >

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HUMOR: New Microsoft Messages

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >New Microsoft error messages: > > In Japan, they have replaced the impersonal and unhelpful Microsoft > > error messages with their own Japanese haiku poetry, each only 17 > > syllables, 5 syllables in the first line, 7 in the second, five in > > the third. > > ------------------------ > > Your file was so big. > > It might be very useful. > > But now it is gone. Well, unlike the other stuff Intel and Microsoft stole from the Multics operating system, at least they got this one right. -dq

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Where the cool stuff is (was: Re: DEC Vaxstation II GPX needs a home)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > : At any rate, the system is a Floating Point Systems model 164 > > : vector processor. It is currently for sale on the E-Bay > auction site. > > Thing of beauty, isn't it? The only reason I didn't bid on it is > because I have enough problems moving big stuff up and down the > west coast; the thought of moving stuff east and west is just > a little too much for me to cope with just now :-( It really is nice looking. And I understand; that Prime 2455 cost me a kilobuck to transport from Phoenix to the Louisville (KY) area, and that kilobuck really needed to go into fixing the Quattro. BTW, I answered my own question about the Xyplex- I kinda figured it was some kind of terminal server. How's that coming? -doug q

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