- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I still have a floor mount style MicroPDP11/73 chassis in Kansas City. I used the machine several time but mainly it sat in the garage next to the microvax2000 and PDP 11/23+. When I ran out of space because of 2 new Microvax II's and extra disk drives I decided to sell it to somebody on this list. I sold the boards and the purchaser didn't want the chassis because of the weight and size. You all can fight over it, $10 plus you pay shipping I'll provide packing and transport to the FedEx pickup for free. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Wang Professional-boot disk or docs?

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

I apologize--that reply was meant to go off list. I will remember not to reply to messages before having had coffee in the future!

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$700 TRS-80???

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

The highest unsuccessful bid was also for $700 by someone with a feedback rating of 232. He didn't succeed because the winner had placed his $700 bid the day before. There were four bids for >$600, and one for $250. (from http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=359971659) I do think it was the well-written description and all the pictures that pushed the price up into the stratosphere. --Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Dwight Elvey Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 12:40 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: $700 TRS-80??? "Passer, Michael" <PasserM(a)umkc.edu> wrote: > I saw that one too--it had to be the description! > Hi Did anyone ask the bidders why they went so high? There may be a valid reason. Looking at the other bidders history, the next higher bidder was a regular buyer. The winning bid was by someone that has made no other purchases. He could have been a fake and wanted to see how high things would go. I would be quite interested to see how the sale goes through. The buyer has also resently changed his handle. Makes one wonder? Dwight

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The cost of collecting debate

by allisonp＠world.std.com

From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> >The original TRS-80 Level 1, 4K, with monitor and cassette was $599. The >level 2 WAS $700, wasn't it? Initially then it was dropped in price. I thik the 4k/L1 went down to $399 and the 16k/LII was $599 later on. Either way there were some 300-400 thousand of them sold! In the first year of sales the total sold was 250,000! Rare, hardly. What would be rare is a completely stock system with a real working early model expansion interface!!! Allison

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Wang Professional-boot disk or docs?

by passerm＠umkc.edu

Does anyone out there have a boot disk, software and/or documentation for the Wang Professional Computer? I liberated one of these from a local thrift store for the grand sum of $2.97 (keyboard, monitor, and computer/drives all individually priced @ 99c). It appears to be in working order--startup diagnostics and the keyboard work fine. The monochrome display is one of the nicest ones I've seen. An interesting note is that the startup ROM contains an option to boot the machine from the serial port! Thanks for anything anyone might be able to spare-- I am, of course, willing to pay shipping plus a reasonable amount for the time involved, particularly if someone copies me a boot disk. Mike Passer passerm(a)umkc.edu

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Is it time for an International Vintage Computer Association? Was: Yo

by allisonp＠world.std.com

several messages: >> If in fact it truly requires specialized equipment and this hacker >> can demonstrate that it doesn't, I'm at a loss to understand why said >> hacker is unemployed save by choice. > >With all due respect, Chris, and acknowledging that this may vary >from region to region, the ability to find gainful employment >has less to do with one's technical skills than it does with the >balance of one's employment skills and personality. For example, I'd agree, I looked for two years in the other H-1B capital eastern MA, and no one was interested in me. I saw who they were hiring, and they were young, male and going cheap. Emplyment right now is a game, everyone is looking for a few and the wnat list if bizzare. The best example, a local comms firm wanted techs (not engineers) that had a minimum of BS in Math and 2 years DSP experience! Allison

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Rich vs. Poor: Middle Ground

by allisonp＠world.std.com

From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> >This is such a crock, if you want a cheap computer do the same thing you >did before eBay, turn over a LOT of rocks. Just about everybody on this >lists that is actively looking, ie making phone calls, driving places, >etc., is still finding a LOT of computers. Amen! In the last year for free and not actively sought... Coleco Adam from the trash Zenith Xt laptop "here you want it, or the trash" Hyndai 286LT laptop in the trash, works! 486dx/66 system even 4x cdrom complete, if I didn't take it guess what... the trash. and other odds and ends. Granted the PC stuff is mostly for giving away as I don't need it all. There is stuff to be found the trick is to catch it before it's landfill in many cases. Maybe it's me but far to much good hardware is going landfill. Allison

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by foo＠siconic.com

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Charles P. Hobbs (SoCalTip) wrote: > An aside: It's amazing, how some people over on E-bay, will add "Imsai > Altair" to descriptions of all these non-descript S-100 computer boxes > and parts. Of course, nobody is fooled, and the prices stay low. (Same > with Well, the prices staying low must be a new thing. There's a reason they put "Altair IMSAI" on their ads, that being that lots of people would fall for it for lack of an understanding of recent computer history (i.e. suckers). Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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The cost of collecting debate

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

IMHO, it's arrogant to think that ANY old computers (other than a few very rare exceptions) are all that "valuable". If all the TRS-80s, ALTAIRS, SWTPs, all the documentation, and software, etc... were to disappear tomorrow, life as we know it would not change. The reason that I collect is that I enjoy tinkering with and restoring old machines. It has nothing to do with monitary gain, historical preservation, mentoring children about the "old ways", or saving the world from the loss of some irreplacable techno-saur. With the exception of "monitary gain" all the other reasons above are BS! Frankly I do have enough money to buy almost any computer I want and I do buy from E-Bay. I also buy from garage sales, flee markets, thrift stores, and other collectors. I have driven as much as 800 miles to pick up a system that I particularily wanted but, I have NEVER paid too much. I've always paid EXACTLY what I was willing to pay. The good thing about forums like Ebay is that they give you the opportunity to set the price that you are wiling to pay. If someone else is willing to pay more, so be it. Sure I've been disapppointed because I didn't get a system that I was bidding on but, so what. By the same token, I found a system that is the only surviving member of it's species for $50. Is it irreplacable? Sure it's irreplacable because there aren't any more. Would it really matter if I tossed it in the trash? Maybe to a few people on this list but other than that... not really. Before anyone goes on another rant about throwing a machine in the trash, let's take a poll: Assuming I was to offer it for free, who on this list (other than captain napalm who's only 10 miles away) would drive to South Florida to pick it up? Steve Robertson

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Is it time for an International Vintage Computer Association? Was: Yo

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Try telling it to the unemployed hardware hacker who's figured out how to > > fix things that the manufacturer claimed could only be repaired at their > > factory with special equipment. > > If in fact it truly requires specialized equipment and this hacker > can demonstrate that it doesn't, I'm at a loss to understand why said > hacker is unemployed save by choice. With all due respect, Chris, and acknowledging that this may vary >from region to region, the ability to find gainful employment has less to do with one's technical skills than it does with the balance of one's employment skills and personality. For example, it's far more important to my employer that I wear a crisp shirt and tie each day than that I know trend <x> or technology <z> (unless I hadn't said so before, I'm a programmer working as a system administrator; long story behind why). YMMV, etc. -doug q

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Is it time for an International Vintage Computer Association? Was: Yo

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Not true. Nearly every museum will welcome volunteers with open arms, and > as long as the artifcats are not abused, they can be worked on and used. > Just about anyone on this list is welcome at RCS/RI to play with any of > our machines. Once we know people well enough, machines can be taken home > on a loan basis. In this we are not some odd organization - many museums > work exactly in this fashion. And the price is zero. Bill- While it really helps to have "live" organizational skills, I think a group of organizationally-challenged folk could do wonders if they had a roadmap to follow, and from the sounds of it, you & Merle & Co. have put together something special. Have you considered writing up either your experiences in putting the RCS/RI together, or even better, something closer to a step-by-step guide to finding the interested local parties and what to look for in terms of facilities (lots of space & separately derived 3-phase power systems are obvious; other things are less so). It may never happen here in the Louisville area (whatever critical mass of interest is required may or may not be present), but I'd like to try getting it started. We have a Museum of Science and Technology, but it's all mass-public stuff, IMAX Theatre, etc. -doug q

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Temporary Departure

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I'll be off-list for a while due to an upcoming vacation. Back soon! 73 de WD6EOS -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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$700 TRS-80???

by allisonp＠world.std.com

-----Original Message----- From: Bill Sudbrink <bill(a)chipware.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 11:55 AM Subject: $700 TRS-80??? >Can anyone explain to me why a TRS-80 model 1 level 2, no expansion >box or floppies, just the base unit, ps and monitor, would sell for >$700 US? There were several bidders willing to go over $600. Stupidity. >There are several more, more complete, systems on ebay right now in >the $20-$60 range. There's also one with a $460 starting bid and >no bidders. Is there something I'm missing on this one? buy the cheap one. ;) Allison

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Is it time for an International Vintage Computer Association? Was: Yo

by foxnhare＠jps.net

Obviously you are looking in the wrong places if the price of equipment is too high for you nor are you looking at the "big picture"... Sure, I use eBay, but only for stuff that's cheap, if it is too expensive I look for things other people don't know about or haven't thought of collecting yet. (My BASIC games book collection is doing nicely, thank you.) If I can't get stuff on eBay cheap, then I scour the thrift stores, yard sales, newsgroups, shows like VCF, etc. If computer X is too expensive, I wait, heck, in 5 years I'll probably get one, I'm in no rush... (thats how I got most of my computers cheap, either buy it new in stores or wait a few years till it's lifespan brings it to Salvation Army...) Also if you have the webspace available - do justice to your favorite collection and help others, this is not only a status symbol for the collector but also let's visitors know that if they clean out their closet of classic stuff/info, there is a place they can send it to who will appreciate it and use it to assist others. (yes, I have received a few contributions and am very appreciative.) But of course if you fall into the "beanie babie" - collect for investment croud, that advice is a moot point. There are alot of aspects to a computer collection, not just the machines; there is the software, cables, controllers, peripherals, manuals, books, magazines, ads, stickers, buttons, etc... (in fact some of the software, manuals books and magazines are probably more rewarding to find than some of the computers...) > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:34:33 -0700 > From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> > Subject: Re: Is it time for an International Vintage Computer > Association? Was: Yo > > At 07:46 PM 6/27/00 +0100, Tony wrote: > >I've seen it said (in print) several times that various hobbies were > >ruined when the rich got involved and simply started pouring money in. > > Sounds a bit like the joke, "What that place? Nobody goes there > anymore, > its too crowded!" > > - --Chuck -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4k bps Classic Commodore pages at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011

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Is it time for an International Vintage Computer Association? Was: Yo

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:40:31 -0400 (EDT) William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> writes: > So what? At least some people can afford to go. For a lucky few, it > might just be a short trip in the car. Better a few than none... If you can afford it, go. My point is that despite organized efforts, not everyone will have access (for various reasons). This isn't the promoter's fault; it's usually a matter of geography. > How about real museums? Nice, but individual ownership is a much more valuable experience (to the individual). Not possible once these systems become 'Museum Pieces'. > How about speadiung knowledge - informing the public and each > other about the history? We have forums like this one. But I guess you'll *need* an 'official' organization now: It's becomming apparent that only certain opinions are now considered 'acceptable'. > How about saving hardware and software that is out of the reach > af any individual? Groups of caring individuals have always worked together towards this end. In the past, the money wasn't a motivation. I don't know if this will reman the case in the future. > How about professional recognition? I always figured that the real {hobbyists | enthusiasts} weren't (by definition) 'professionals'. The original developers? Write one a letter, thanking them for their contribution. I did. How about security for our collections? Keep your {door|gate|porticullis} locked. > > And I'm saying, all you will be doing is raising the cost of > > admission. There's nothing anyone can do to stop you, of course. > > If Classic Computing becomes a 'legitimate' hobby with a > 'legitimate' > > organization, then I guess there won't be room for amateurs > > like myself. You professional 'true historical preservationists' > > can have it. > > Jeff, take your stinking attitude and get out of town. Please. The > one thing that hurts retrocomputing more than anything else is someone > like you. You know, I could get really angry at this last remark, but it just makes me sad. (Retro)computing was a 'joy' thing. It was so awesome because just about anyone could experience it. It was really something special because it's only major cost was the time and effort you put into it. What really mattered was what came from the heart, really. What really matters now, is what comes from the wallet. I guess it really wasn't so special afterall. Bye. Jeff ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Rich vs. Poor: Middle Ground (Was: RE: Is it time for an Internat ional Vintage Computer Association? Was: Yo)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Okay, if you want to take that tack on the subject, let's go: > So you're saying that only the rich and powerful are *worthy* of > a such as noble endeavor such as ours? Jeff, I'm using your quote as a starting point, please don't think I'm picking on you. Well, somewhere between rich and poor (I tend to count myself the latter), there must be middle ground. My current focus is on Primes, and I'm playing fast-and- loose with my bills (as well as selling things I'd rather keep) to try to get this system to a certain point where I'll feel comfortable with. However, had I managed to save that MicroPDP-11/73 >from the Jaws of Greed, I would likely have simply held on to it until I could find a better home for it. Strictly speaking, I'd say that's collecting and not preservationist. But at least I'd have kept it from the landfill. Ideally, the poor collectors amongst us can do lots of that. But I think it's incumbent upon us to be ready to give up posession to someone who can do the item more justice than we can. I think a phrase commonly stated about relationships might be applicable here. Rephrased: If you love something, let it go. I'm letting go of at least one of two unfinished SOL motherboards very, very soon (but my original working SOL I will keep). As to the rich: by virtue of your economic power, you might easily fall into the trap of compulsive acquisition. Fewer constraints hold you back, and so the ID runs wild. Had the Evil Lurker been restoring a personal system with the parts he was looking for, it would not have bothered me a wit. I'd like to take solace in knowing there's a good chance someone restoring a system will see the parts he has for sale, and buy them. But I'm afraid they'll just enter a nonterminating speculative loop. So, to the rich, let me say this: try to be aware of what's going on around you, and if you see you're trying to acquire something that some poor guy is also going for, remember, this may be his only chance, and you'll likely have another. And to the poor guys (like me), I say: be willing to give something up to someone who can actually get it going sooner than the 20 years it might take you due to your more limited financial resources. Just my tuppence' worth... regards, -doug q

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Rich vs. Poor: Middle Ground (Was: RE: Is it time for an Inte rnat ional Vintage Computer Association? Was: Yo)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> What if the machines are to be scrapped in a hurry, and no one can take > the whole thing? I would think that gutting the things is the best > option. A few parts are better than nothing... > > I have done this - specifically with a VAX-11/750 and 4D/380. These were > advertised on this list in the very early days, but I was apparently the > only one that could even get close to the machines. Needless to say, I > couldn't take the machines as a whole, so the cards were pulled. If that's the only choice- landfill or reduction to parts- sure, reduce it to parts. Sometimes, there's middle ground... -dq

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Query about Meyers Computer Services of Jersey Shore, PA

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > loop that doesn't respond at the speed of light. However, I > > use delivery and read receipts on all my mail, and if I at > > least get a receipt back, then I know I'm most likely "in > > the queue". Failure to receive same leaves me wondering if > > my message was even received. Not all ISPs and mailers support > > I'd be more worried if my message was received but then not replied to. > I'd feel more comfortable if I didn't get a receipt yet. That would imply > the person is too busy to even check e-mail yet. Hmmm, I'd say it would imply the person really isn't very technologically sophisticated... "Does that little envelope mean I've got mail, or that I should write some?" -dq

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Evil Lurker Won, Gets His Parts

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At 03:13 PM 6/27/00 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > >Chuck was right about the guy that won the bid on > >the MicroPDP-11/73... the buyer's name is Chris > >Hoaglin, and all he is interested in is f*cking > >up a working computer to end up with parts he > >can sell to fund his greedy little schemes. He > >wants the backplane and all the cards. I wish the > >seller would have said NO, but that was not to be. > > I'm sorry but I can't agree with the sentiment here. I appear to have been guilty of projecting, in this case, reading into your previous remarks what I was feeling. Sorry. I'm desparately looking for parts, but I'd sooner cut off a limb than rob them from a working system until _every_ effort has been made to find a good home for that system. This one appeared to be lacking an OS (or anything for it to reside on) but I see that as minor compared to systems with disfunctional stuff in the backplace. But I gotta admit, I'm making way too much noise over a doggone PDP-11 when they aren't my forte to begin with. At least I get the tape drive. regards, -doug q

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Rich vs. Poor: Middle Ground (Was: RE: Is it time for an Internat ional Vintage Computer Association? Was: Yo)

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Had the Evil Lurker been restoring a personal system >with the parts he was looking for, it would not have >bothered me a wit. On the gripping hand, I know of some "collectors" (as in they acquire large amounts of stuff without looking for commercial gain) who will, for example, rip all the boards out of a working VAX 8650 but leave the chassis behind, because they have no way of hauling the chassis cabinets nor a place to put them. As far as I can tell, nobody wins here, because a working 8650 was turned into a pile of nearly-worthless parts that will simply sit in the basement for a couple of decades. Does this stop the offenders? Of course not! Tim.

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Evil Lurker Won, Gets His Parts

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Chuck was right about the guy that won the bid on the MicroPDP-11/73... the buyer's name is Chris Hoaglin, and all he is interested in is f*cking up a working computer to end up with parts he can sell to fund his greedy little schemes. He wants the backplane and all the cards. I wish the seller would have said NO, but that was not to be. FWIW, I was going to steal one part- the plexiglass door of the TS05 tape drive- to put in place of a broken one on a Cipher. The broken Cipher door works, even broken, and will still work when glued back together- it will just look like sh*t. How- ever, I would have either preserved the system in all other ways, or even tried restoring it. Well, souless b*st*rds are prolifigate, and some are circling overhead like vultures. The only good note: I'll get the TS05 for US$5.00. I doubt I'll take the rack. Perhaps someday I'll need a part from the TS05 (assuming it *IS* really a Cipher streamer inside). Oh well. Hi ho. -doug quebbeman

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Is it time for an International Vintage Computer Association? Was: Yo

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> And I'm saying, all you will be doing is raising the cost of > admission. There's nothing anyone can do to stop you, of course. > If Classic Computing becomes a 'legitimate' hobby with a 'legitimate' > organization, then I guess there won't be room for amateurs > like myself. You professional 'true historical preservationists' > can have it. Do we need 'true historical preservationists'? Maybe. Does that mean that the priorities of the 'true preservationists' will be the same as those who actually worked with the systems or still use the systems? Of course not. In fact, the priorities will probably be vastly different between the two groups, and this is all the better reason for both groups to co-exist, probably with at least a bit of animosity towards each other. How do priorities differ, even among "hobby" preservationists? Several ways: 1. Some insist on a pristine as-shipped-from-the-manufacturer system, with no third-party peripherals or software, and others realize that in real life there were very few such configurations and instead preserve the systems as they were actually installed, with third-party peripherals and software abounding. 2. Some only care about CPU's, and will travel hundreds or thousands of miles to pick up the CPU box, and leave the peripherals (necessary to boot the OS!) behind. Others put more emphasis on getting a few complete working systems rather than a bunch of CPU boxes that can't ever be booted. 3. Some haul away hardware, and leave a mountain of magtapes behind with the operating system, etc. Others haul away hardware and tapes and disks but leave the books behind. Others just want the books, others just want the tapes. I've seen every single one of the above characteristics exhibited by "amateur" collectors, and every single one of the above possibilities exhibited by "professional" collectors. Personally, I fall into the "put any old hardware together that makes a system work, don't care whether it's original or third party, get complete systems with peripherals, and spend lots of time archiving the software" category. Every person on this list probably falls into a different category. I may not agree with everyone's priorities, but in some sense a wide range of priorities from a wide range of people is a *probably* a good thing. Tim.

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Query about Meyers Computer Services of Jersey Shore, PA

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> A few thoughts on this; > > 1) Don't make public posts questioning a vendors integrity prior to making > a good effort to settle the issue privately. This will include waiting more > than two business days for a reply. I went back and carefully read what I posted; a strict deconstruction of your phrase "questioning a vendor's integrity" does not seem to apply to what I said. I thought the tone of my post was respectful if somewhat apprehensive. I did not question his integrity; I merely related my experience and queried others as to theirs. And as to waiting two business days, let me say this. We all tend to expect instant results from anything involving a computer, forgetting that a human component is still in the loop that doesn't respond at the speed of light. However, I use delivery and read receipts on all my mail, and if I at least get a receipt back, then I know I'm most likely "in the queue". Failure to receive same leaves me wondering if my message was even received. Not all ISPs and mailers support receipts, I know; as to the ISP problem, scripts can provide the equivalent function. For mailers, all that's required is to switch to a different mailer. If anyone finds the receipts distasteful, they can decline to use them, but they risk what almost happened in this case. To summarize, had I gotten a receipt, I'd have waited as patiently as is possible for me, but I'd have waited. > 2) DOA happens on old drives, so do a dozen other end user mess ups that > keep them from spinning up or working. The drive could be fine, and you > just have a wimpy power supply or a jumper set wrong. Bzzt. Sorry, nope. The power supply is driving two diff SCSI drives that are full-height 5.25 inch units (HP 97548's, I believe). No way a wimpy 3.5 half-height drive is sucking more juice. > 3) Look at the ad terms carefully, not wishfully. Does it say 100% tested, > or just no DOA? If the latter it may be he has a stack of "mostly" good > drives and no desire to test them before shipping at $15 each. It said "just not DOA", and the drive was just plain DOA. regards, -doug quebbeman

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TRON Movie Soundtrack LP

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>And to my ears, there's nothing like a full-bore Hammond being driven by Jon Lord from Deep Purple. Nobody, but nobody gets that angry, hulking, growling sound from an organ like Lord. Before I quit I tried to get that sound... no idea how he did that. Speaking of Tomita....on his "Bermuda Triangle" album (mine is on blue vinyl......) he included an encoded message that required Majorly cool color. someone with a Tarbell cassette interface to read. I never had the necessary equipment, and it's always bugged me as to what the message was. Has anyone here ever decoded it? I ment to. The cut FYI from playing with other "floppy roms" has to be very clean and right on pitch. IA or was it byte did a few of them as tryouts. Marginally successful. I'm not familiar with Subotnick. What is his style? Is it more like Carlos, Tomita, or Fast? Or, something completely different? Little of all, different than all. We should talk in terms of how old computers were used for music or declare this the official off topic thread. We always seem to have one and often they are as interesting as any even if they are OT. Allison Paul Braun WD9GCO Cygnus Productions nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Why not will it to the Computer Museum History Center? > > http://www.computerhistory.org > > hat's what I intend to do with mine. It's not enough to just will your collection or some part of it to the Computer Museum History Center... unless you also provide for the shipping/transport of your bequest from wherever it is to the Moffet Field operation, as they lack the funds to do so themselves. Everyone, please bear this in mind. Make sure a few $$$ remain to cover shipping & handling! -dq

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Sidecar (was: Re: Do I look Rich ?

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

On 26-Jun-00, you wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Gary Hildebrand wrote: >> >> Sorry, Mark, I already have one, to which I just added a Sidecar. I think I > > Did you ever get the Sidecar to work? Did a bench test w/o the amiga, and didn't see any smoke (good sign?). I heard the HD make its expected noises, so at this point in time, I think the PC part works. Might have a prob in the shared memory part going to the Amiga. I have to clear out an area on the bench to set up everything. > > Regards -- Gary Hildebrand Box 6184 St. Joseph, MO 64506-0184 816-662-2612 or ghldbrd(a)ccp.com

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$700 TRS-80???

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I do think it was the well-written description and >all the pictures that pushed the price up into the >stratosphere. Very true. I remember trying to give some stuff (a bunch of 42" racks, old 14" disk drives, etc.) away five or so years ago, and nobody was interested. But then I attached a price and got several folks to show up to take it away. Tim.

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$700 TRS-80???

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

I saw that one too--it had to be the description! --Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bill Sudbrink Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 10:48 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: $700 TRS-80??? Can anyone explain to me why a TRS-80 model 1 level 2, no expansion box or floppies, just the base unit, ps and monitor, would sell for $700 US? There were several bidders willing to go over $600. There are several more, more complete, systems on ebay right now in the $20-$60 range. There's also one with a $460 starting bid and no bidders. Is there something I'm missing on this one? URL for the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=359971659 Bill

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$700 TRS-80???

by bill＠chipware.com

Can anyone explain to me why a TRS-80 model 1 level 2, no expansion box or floppies, just the base unit, ps and monitor, would sell for $700 US? There were several bidders willing to go over $600. There are several more, more complete, systems on ebay right now in the $20-$60 range. There's also one with a $460 starting bid and no bidders. Is there something I'm missing on this one? URL for the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=359971659 Bill

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TRON Movie Soundtrack LP

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I ment to. The cut FYI from playing with other "floppy roms" > > has to be very clean and right on pitch. IA or was it byte did > > a few of them as tryouts. Marginally successful. > > Damn, I can't remember the name of the magazine but it wasn't Byte and I'm > having trouble figuring out what IA is, but at any rate I have those > issues with the floppy ROMs still intact. Jim Warren's Interface Age magazine (successor to the journal of the Southern California Computer Society's SCCS Interface)...? -doug q

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Tarbell Casette Interface 4 Sale (Was: RE: TRON Movie Soundtrack LP)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Speaking of Tomita....on his "Bermuda Triangle" album (mine is on > blue vinyl......) he included an encoded message that required > > Majorly cool color. > > someone with a Tarbell cassette interface to read. I never had the > necessary equipment, and it's always bugged me as to what the > message was. Has anyone here ever decoded it? I'm not sure who I'm replying to, as someone's quoting mechanism is working even worse than Outlook's.... But what a coincidence that I'm planning to put a Tarbell Casette Interface up on E-Bay today. My reserve price will be $100, and while it does not include documentation, and I have not tested it, I am including a 1983 Tarbell Electronics catalog (ok, big woo). I thought I'd post here in case someone didn't want to fight the traffic; plus it'd save me a few bucks for the posting. -doug q

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Do I look Rich ?

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

-----Original Message----- From: John R. Keys Jr. <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, June 26, 2000 4:01 PM Subject: Do I look Rich ? >Had a guy e-mail me that wanted to sell a Osborne (do not which model) >but he wanted $3,500 and was not sure if it worked. That's what happens >when you get your name in the paper. If anyone else wants it let me >know. >John Keys > Did you tell him that computers are an investment that don't normally appreciate from their original purchase price (with the possible exception of Apple Is and Altairs)? Tell him I'll sell him an equally collectible Amiga 1000 for a very reasonable $2500. Seriously though, if anyone on-list want an original A1000 in its original box, with original keyboard but a replacement mouse (copies of Kickstart and WB 1.2 included, no manuals) I have one available. I'll take Amiga or Atari ST software (or most anything else Amiga-related) in trade. Cheers, Mark.

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TRON Movie Soundtrack LP

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>to Clockwork Orange (still as Walter). By the time of >Tron, Walter had become Wendy. Your dates and music are misaligned. the "Walter" was not used during the period and was neither played up or down. It was a itlem of convenience of the record compmanies. However by then it was history. I know as I have all the albums as originals bought when they were originally released and have kept a Yamaha belt drive going for real music. ;) She is one of many talents that took electronics and rather than make Rover howl, did achieve serious music. Allison

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Query about Meyers Computer Services of Jersey Shore, PA

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Has anyone done business with Richard Meyers > of Meyers Computer Services (Jersey Shore, PA)? Ok, I called him, he called me back, VERY busy guy, good intentions, is sending me another unit. He tested this one to make sure it at least spins up (it was strange that while the auction ad made no mention of whether the drive had or had not been tested, that they still offered a 2-day DOA warranty). For my part, I'd decided that if a second unit is bad, hey, it was only $15.00, so no real harm done. But getting a working one means a lot, so I'm hoping this one will be good. At any rate, I feel safe saying that this guy runs a good business, and I'll probably buy >from him again, should the opportunity arise, whether the second unit works or not. -doug q

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Query about Meyers Computer Services of Jersey Shore, PA

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Has anyone done business with Richard Meyers of Meyers Computer Services (Jersey Shore, PA)? Here's why I ask... After the many invectives launched here towards E-bay (but prior to my post defending them), I decided to check out haggle.com. Almost right off the bat, I found something I wanted for a great price- a Seagate 11200ND diff SCSI drive. I won the item, and received it on Wednesday. It was Friday before I got around to trying it- and it's DOA. Won't spin up; I can hear what might be the heads trying to unpark, or maybe it's the drive motor trying to start. But negatory. Additionally, three SMD devices appear to have been removed from the drive's interface PCB. Very strange. I sent him e-mail on Friday w/r/t its status as DOA; the description for the item gave it a 2-day DOA warranty. He appears to be very busy; I spoke to a subordinate, who took my info and said he'd contact mr. meyers about it, and I'd be contacted back. All the feedback on haggle for him is glowing; I'm willing to believe he really is a busy guy and that he (or a subordinate) just grabbed a drive off the wrong pile and shipped it to me. An honest mistake. Should I be apprehensive about this? Hey, I'd only be out $15 if I get no resolution, so it's not going to be the end of the world. Just thought I'd ask before I cop an attitude... tia, -doug q

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Do I look Rich ?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Had a guy e-mail me that wanted to sell a Osborne (do not which model) > but he wanted $3,500 and was not sure if it worked. That's what happens > when you get your name in the paper. If anyone else wants it let me > know. John- You just need to polish up your social engineering skills. ;-) I got a Prime 2455 for shipping costs only; the owner wanted... ...drum roll, please... ten thousand american dollars for this wonderful little machine. The process did entail one $25 phone call to Arizona, and a few shorter/cheaper ones, listening to his anxiety over marrying off the first of his daughters (late, at age 29), and such. But it paid off. -doug q

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Do I look Rich ?

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

But you also had quite a few freebies after the article. So I guess that it was mostly positive. And you probably had a good laugh when you read that guys e-mail. Let's do pizza or something Francois PS: Yeah you must be rich, You were in the paper:) >Had a guy e-mail me that wanted to sell a Osborne (do not which model) >but he wanted $3,500 and was not sure if it worked. That's what happens >when you get your name in the paper. If anyone else wants it let me >know. >John Keys >

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Do I look Rich ?

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Had a guy e-mail me that wanted to sell a Osborne (do not which model) but he wanted $3,500 and was not sure if it worked. That's what happens when you get your name in the paper. If anyone else wants it let me know. John Keys

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Query about Meyers Computer Services of Jersey Shore, PA

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ...three SMD devices appear to have been removed > > Sure they're not just board options that > weren't placed? Pads for unplaced devices have a decidedly different appearance (in my experience) than what I see here. Usually, the pads are shiny with solder, a remnant I assume of wave soldering or some other similar manufacturing technology. For a given device, a few lead pads will be shiny, some *black*, and some kinda look lke they've been pulled up off the board. Sombody had a steady hand, I'll say that for sure. Either that, or these chips blew themselves off the board. I wish I had a photomicroscope so I could take a picture- you'd see what I mean. As I said in my post, I'm assuming he gets lots of these, and he just grabbed this one off the wrong pile. -dq

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HP-1000E PSU

by fmc＠reanimators.org

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > I'm working even more blindly than usual, so could you give me a clue and > at least describe the basic topology of the PSU. I wish. I don't actually have one of these power supplies in front of me right now, just a couple of so-so printed copies of photos showing what it should look like with the top cover off. One photo for the configuration that supports battery backup, one photo for the configuration that doesn't. You can see the latter (which shows what I think rdd has) at http://www.reanimators.org/tmp/1000E-ps.jpeg -- it's about 50KB. Maybe this will help you more than it helps me. What I don't see in the photos is the big transformer-like hunk of iron that I'd expect in a linear power suppply, and the dark spaces don't look big enough to hold one. So I'm thinking it's a switcher. -Frank McConnell

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Creating empty RM03 under Bob's emulator

by wanderer＠bos.nl

Hello All, When I create an empty RM03 under Bob's emulator witht the badblock option and then mount it under RSX, it complains, telling me that it is an alignment pack! Is there a way to get around this problem? Using FMT does not help either, a similar message is returned. When using RT-11, INI doesn't do anything, it just hangs. Thanks, Ed -- The Wanderer | Geloof nooit een politicus! wanderer(a)bos.nl | Europarlementariers: zakken- http://www.bos.nl/homes/wanderer | vullers en dumpplaats voor Unix Lives! windows95/98 is rommel! | mislukte politici. '96 GSXR 1100R / '97 TL1000S | See http://www.bos.nl/homes/wanderer/gates.html for a funny pic. of Gates!

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Creating empty RM03 under Bob's emulator

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

On Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 06:09:36PM +0000, wanderer wrote: >When I create an empty RM03 under Bob's emulator witht the badblock >... >When using RT-11, INI doesn't do anything, it just hangs. John Wilson asked: >With what driver? Pre-V5.5 versions of RT-11 come with the "DP:" driver, but this doesn't do RM03's, just RP02's and RP03's. It wouldn't suprise me if it got confused when you hooked a RM03 (real or emulated) to a system and tried to access it with the "DP:" driver, but that's "operator error". There are several DECUS-distributed RM03 device drivers for RT-11, and there were also a couple of commercial ones sold by third parties in the 1980's. The most likely DECUS driver is library entry 11-517, "System Device Handler For RM02, RM03, RP04, RP05, RP06 and RT-11 V4". -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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MicroPDP-11/73 Goes to Evil Lurker

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:48:37 -0400 Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> writes: > I guess that's probably an unfair remark, but someone > who lurked on that auction until I went to sleep last > night beat me by a dollar. I knew that could happen > but I was hoping it wouldn't. Thus go the perils of > bidding at auctions. I always bid using a high-powered rifle w/telescopic sight. ;^) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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MicroPDP-11/73 Goes to Evil Lurker

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

I guess that's probably an unfair remark, but someone who lurked on that auction until I went to sleep last night beat me by a dollar. I knew that could happen but I was hoping it wouldn't. Thus go the perils of bidding at auctions. So, I want to thank everyone for the very useful suggestions on transporting the unit. It would eventually have been fun to play with, even though my interest in DEC is pretty much limited to the DEC-10, and since DEC had enough trouble keeping them running, no way I'd try if I could even find one. Speaking of the DEC-10, Paul Allen was going to put a TOAD online running TOPS-10; does anyone know if that ever came about? -dq

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Paul Allen's TOAD (was: Re: MicroPDP-11/73 Goes to Evil Lurke r)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > Speaking of the DEC-10, Paul Allen was going to > > put a TOAD online running TOPS-10; does anyone > > know if that ever came about? > > I know that some folks have accounts and use the machine - > I should have sent my request in when > the offer was originally posted.... :-( Well, it sounds like somebody is keeping the electricity turned on... Gee, I was going to offer Paul my copy of the DEC-10 Commands Manual (this is the heavier paper version, not the "phone book" styled pub) for perpetual access. Now I guess it's E-bay destined... -dq

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Whatever happened to CHAC?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

Whatever happened to CHAC (The Computer History Association of California)? I haven't heard anything from them, nor seen new issues of their journal, in several years now. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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TRON Movie Soundtrack LP

by foo＠siconic.com

I found the soundtrack to Tron on vinyl at a local thrift shop today. It's in nearly prefect condition. Did I score? Too bad I don't have a record player so I can listen to it :( Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... Coming soon: VCF 4.0! VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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TRON Movie Soundtrack LP

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>My interests there stem from over 40 years' association with Laurens >Hammond's invention back in the 30's. which by definition is the one of the >earliest known 'synthesizers' with a very user-friendly interface. Too bad >they are so danged heavy. I have three of them: B3, M3 and X77. Let me know if you need any parts or manuals on these. I used to service them and when I sold the business about 20 years ago, I kept the manuals and the parts I carried in my vehicle. I know I still have things like vibrato scanner washers and mercotac's, etc. Dan

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Anyone have any info on this Motorola computer?

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

Any information, general to specific, on the Motorola model M68SetDS351 all-in-one, dual 5.25 floppy drive, computer will be greatly appreciated. Yes, this is the one on eBay. I'm trying to decide if it is worth the shipping cost. Here's a picture of the machine: http://www.wpic.com/whdawson/classiccmp/motorola.jpg Thanks, Bill Dawson whdawson(a)mlynk.com <mailto:whdawson@mlynk.com> ?

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Building a better "old" computer

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 12:16:00PM -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: [..snip..] > >And if the Series Two is still vaporware, then all I can > >say is that is a _very_ old tradition in the microcomputer > >field, > > Sure is. This isn't the right way to evoke feelings of nostalgia in > customers though! ROFL! -dq

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