- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by hofmanwb＠worldonline.nl

> Well, I think they had a good score with the AS/400. Its been the king of > minis for some time now, bypassing even the mighty PDP-11 in numbers. You are right of course, but doesn't it depend on your definition of mini? Not everybody would call say a System 34 a mini, let alone a AS/400. But this would be mincing words. Wim

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Another tech legend for discussion!

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

> > I have always wondered what was going to go in that fourth book. > > Are you saying that the project was started? (I assumed it was > > never started.) Do you know any more details? > > No... it was essentially just a manuscript stored on one of > the Smalltalk workstations, and it had been evolving to cover > the changes in MVC since back when it called the Form-Path-Image > paradigm. At some point, Stephen T. Pope (I think it was him) > used it to master MVC, and he then in turn wrote a short paper > describing the use of MVC. But Adele got distracted with running > PPS and nver got back to playing author. > > I think Steve's paper is available on the web. Yes, I believe I've seen that. But I've never seen the manuscript. I thought the book was going to explain how to write programs with MVC (which I assume means examples). Steve's paper is not that detailed -- I recall it as being only a very good description of MVC, without any large programming examples. > > The two-volume _Inside Smalltalk_ set is a decent substitute > > for the missing book, but the code and the page layout are not up > > to Xerox' high standards. The text is well-written in some ways > > but badly written in others. > > These books are some of the few ST resources I don't have. In that case, look at http://www.powells.com for the information about Powell's Technical Books and ask if volume 1 is still on the shelf. They will also start book searches for you for both volumes. I'm having them search for _Preparation of Programs for an Electronic Digital Computer_ by Wilkes/Wheeler/Gill. > A non-commercial version of the current descendent of PPS and ST > (VisualWorks) can be downloaded and used for free. But Squeak is > actually much better, IMHO. Yes, Squeak is a nice piece of work. Can you tell me a little more about the history of the ST-80 class library and language? That's one of the two questions I asked Ted Kaehler (along with "Is the original tape with the test ST-80 images still available?") but he hasn't answered my e-mail yet. I specifically want to know how the class library and language evolved after the licensing (which is about when the Xerox features of Squeak were frozen) and before the language went commercial. The Purple Book and _Inside Smalltalk_ mention some features that aren't in Squeak (the simulation classes, multiple inheritance, and temporary variables inside blocks) but I was looking for a more detailed list with dates. My ultimate goal would be to put those features back into Squeak. Have you ever used any of the Xerox workstations? That's something I always wanted to try. -- Derek

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WCW Hardware/Docs Wanted

by vonhagen＠vonhagen.org

After begging for help with my new MicroExploder, it occurred to me that it's been a while since I begged the group and the universe in general for any White Chapel Workstation or Hitech hardware, docs, marketing literature. if you have any WCW hardware, docs, etc. that you're willing to part with, please let me know. I'll pay something plus all shipping charges. It doesn't matter what country you're in! "Will work for obscure computers" Bill

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An amazing emulator

by foo＠siconic.com

I find this hard to believe, but apparently this one emulator can emulate a bunch of different machines: M.E.S.S.: Multi Emulator Super System http://mess.emuverse.com/ According to the website it can emulate the following: Acorn Atom AdventureVision Amiga (NTSC) Amstrad CPC (464, 664, 6128) Apple I Apple II (6 varieties) Atari 400 Atari 5200 Atari 7800 Atari 800 Bally Astrocade EACA Colour Genie 2000 Coco 3 Colecovision Color Computer Commodore 16 Commodore 64 Commodore 64gs Commodore 65 Commodore 128 Commodore 2000 Commodore 3000 Commodore 4000 Commodore 8000 Commodore B Series Commodore Max Commodore Plus/4 Commodore Vic 20 CP400 CPS Changer Dragon 32 Enterprise 128K IBM PC/XT Inves Spectrum 48K+ Jupiter Ace Kaypro 2x KC Compact KC85/4 KIM-1 Laser (110, 200, 210, 310, 350, 500, 700, TX8000) Macintosh Plus Memotech MTX512 MicroBee MSX Nintendo Entertainment System Nintendo Gameboy Oric 1/Oric Atmos PC Engine PDP/1 (SpaceWar!) Philips P2090T/M Sam Coupe Sega Game Gear Sega Master System Sega Megadrive/Genesis Spectrum Plus 2 Spectrum Plus 3 Spectrum Plus 4 TI99/4A Home Computer Tandy 1000TX Tandy MC-10 Timex Computer 2048 Timex Sinclair 2068 TK90x Color Computer TRS-80 Model 1 Vectrex VZ200/VZ300 ZX Spectrum 48K ZX80/81 Haven't downloaded it yet but I plan to once I'm done indexing all the vintage computer sites on the net :) 938 links and growing at the VCF Link Library http://www.vintage.org/cgi-bin/links.pl Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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S-100/IEEE-696 standard now online

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

I had scanned this some time ago and never got around to making it available until this morning: http://s-100.trailing-edge.com/ has all 25 pages of the IEEE 696.1/D2 draft standard. Tim.

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VAX 6000 power requirements?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

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More Apple Emulator Shenanigans

by foo＠siconic.com

Applelet: Apple ][ Java Emulator Applet! http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/8089/Applelet.html Will the coolness never cease? Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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...and here's another - HP9000 question

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Hi folks, I forgot to mention, in the crash I had last week that damaged the Apple /// etc I also had an HP Apollo 9000/600 workstation with 19" monitor. Whilst I'm assuming the front passenger airbag caught the monitor since it was unrestrained on the front seat (but the seat was pushed right up to the dash) it is now however refusing to display blue. If I remove the B plug on the RGB cable the display doesn't alter......since if I remove the green the sync goes and they're from a similar era could I substitute a spare DEC VRT21 I've got lying around here in the office? That monitor is a 60hz 1280x1024 RGB sync-on-green Trinitron. Of course, I'd like to repair the HP's monitor, but my knowledge of repairing monitors begins at the glass fuse and ends on the high voltage bit :) Oh, and anyone know why the PSU fuse in the Apple ][c is soldered in rather than being in a carrier? I blew my ][c when I forgot it was a US one.....doh.....I can solder in a replacement fuse but I just thought I'd ask if there was a reason why it was soldered....if I can get a carrier to fit I'd rather do that! cheers -- Adrian Graham MCSE/ASE/MCP C CAT Limited Gubbins: http://www.ccat.co.uk (work) <http://www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk> (home) <http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (80's computer collection) "Missing you already" - Mark Radcliffe

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Apple ][ on the Psion Series 5!

by foo＠siconic.com

I will die a happy man: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/8089/psiapple.html An Apple ][ emulator for the Psion Series 5. Hella sweet. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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"Vintage" IC's: this is outta control

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

I was looking for a source for some Fairchild uL914's (DTL NOR gate) and came across this: The Fairchild UL914; DUAL NOR GATE was the ONLY MEMORY and REGISTER UNIT used in the ENTIRE construction of the ON-BOARD Navigational Computer. Redundancy and Failure Rates of a NEW Integrated Circuit family (RTL) dictated the SAFEST possible Design for such an Incredible Mission. Round 8pin EPOXY package. 4 pieces available $ 99.95 each Other obscene prices, such as $35 2732's, are to be found at: http://www.cybertoix.com/page0002.htm (I can remember when the local Radio Shack had blister-packs of uL914's for probably $.79 each. I believe they sold a "stack-it-yourself" binary counter kit that used two uL914's for each bit. Anyone got a Radio Shack catalog from 1976 or so to check my memory here?) Tim.

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Micom

by lgwalker＠look.ca

I've been a lurker and sometimes participant in classiccom for some time but other than a couple of instances (one-my own query and the other from Charley Fox, who has/had a 2001 (IIRC) ,there has been no mention of a machine contemporary with the Altair and that precedes the Apple One. While it was peddled as a word processor it was indeed an 8080 box. It has a passive backplane with 30 pin sockets and looks similiar to a PET (including the fold- up monitor to expose the inner-workings) with a separate keyboard connected by ribbon cable and in my case a Shugart m.802 8'' FDD. Unfortunately I don't have a com program for it (they were available- one was called Miconet) but I keep hoping things will pop up. It also had a language program for it-"Micom 80"- a modified MS Basic80 . I picked it up in the late 80's It came with a Qume Daisy-wheel printer whose separate power- supply weighs about 50 lbs. itself (I even have a garbage-found spare). :^) Below are time-line references for some perspective : >FROM TIMELINE OF MICROCOMPUTER HISTORY................Poulsson March (75) Fred Moore and Gordon French hold the first meeting of a new microcomputer hobbyist's club in French's garage, in Menlo Park, California. 32 people meet, including Bob Albrect, Steve Dompier, Lee Felsenstein, Bob Marsh, Tom Pittman, Marty Spergel, Alan Baum, and Steven Wozniak. Bob Albrect shows off an Altair, and Steve Dompier reports on MITS, and how they had 4000 orders for the Altair. [185.110] [266.104] [301.55] [346.18] [353.200] [346.257] (April [208.67] 266.39) Stephen Dorsey, founder of Automatic Electronic Systems, sells his 25% of the company for $135,000. [615.98] Stephen Dorsey and Louis Miller found Micom Data Systems, in Canada. [615.90] July (75) Bill Gates and Paul Allen sign a licensing agreement with MITS, for their implementation of the BASIC language. [299.8] Bill Gates and Paul Allen ship 4K and 8K version of BASIC v2.0. [123] Dick Heiser opens Arrow Head Computer Company, subtitled "The Computer Store", in Los Angeles, selling assembled Altairs, boards, peripherals, and magazines. This is the first retail computer store in the USA. [266.185] [684.41] Micom Data Systems ships its first product, the Micom 2000 word processing computer. [615.99] September (75) IBM's Entry Level Systems unit unveils "Project Mercury", the IBM 5100 Portable Computer. It is a briefcase-size minicomputer with BASIC, 16KB RAM, tape storage, and built-in 5-inch screen. Price: US$9000. Weight: 55 pounds. [9] [197.xi] (Price over US$10,000 [203.10]) The first issue of Byte magazine is published. [9] [266.159] March (76) Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs finish work on a computer circuit board, that they call the Apple I computer. [46] By the end of its first year in business, Micom Data Systems ships 180 Micom 2000 computers, worth $2 million. [615.99] May (78) Stephen Dorsey signs an agreement with Philips to sell them 80% ownership of Micom Data Systems. [615.103] May (83) Philips buys out Stephen Dorsey's remaining 20% ownership of Micom Data Systems. [615.103] [615] Knights of the New Technology - The Inside Story of Canada's Computer Elite, by David Thomas, 1983. ** A whois search 3 years ago found Stephan Dorsey still active at: Voice & Data Systems is the world leader in real-time, packetized fax (TERRA FaxPAD) technology. The president of VDS is Stephen Dorsey, one of the first entrepreneurs to use integrated circuits in commercial applications. Stephen has led his two previous start-ups to $200 million in annual sales. His previous company, which was sold to Phillips NV of Holland, had 1100 employees. http://www.lisco.com/terra_globe/vdsdescrip.html The 2 companies they mention are Micom and AES (an early Canadian electronics company who also made computers) It makes me wonder whether he might have had anything to do with the Hyperion start-up since he was so integral to the Canadian electronic industry. One of their brochures(June,1981) brags about the 50 Micoms used by NASA which were their primary word/data processors, and were linked to the NASA's central mainframe. Has anyone any info on this machine ? I have a copied software manual and some brochures and Phillips Micom newsletters. ciao larry lgwalker(a)look.ca walkers(a)altavista.net bigwalk(a)xoommail.com

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While we're talking about Lisas

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

My Lisa 2 (vanilla one, 1.2A PSU) has developed a habit of turning the screen off while she's running. In fact it's now permanently off which is annoying to say the least. Some of you may have experienced this before so here are the symptoms; System working fine (at the time running MacWorks 1.0), screen goes dim as per screensaver then blinks off like I'd hit the power button. It eventually comes back on after leaving it powered down for a couple of hours. James at Sigma Seven Systems said he thought he remembered there was a serial port bug in MW1.0 that caused the screen to go off sometimes so I left it at that. I've now got myself a ProFile so I was intending on installing LisaOS 3.1, but when she was powered up for the first time since maybe mid-may the screen came on briefly then blinked off again as it did before; since then it's only come back on once for around 10 minutes. While all this is going on the machine keeps running normally. If I power up I hear the self test passing, if I've got the first OS disk in (or MacWorks boot disk) it will actually boot, if I've got a standard composite monitor connected I can see things happening so I know the machine itself is fine....... Anyone else seen this? I've got another video card and screen coming over but it won't be here till the end of august; to say I'm champing at the bit would be an understatement :) cheers!

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Unresistable pond comment

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

> > I assume you mean something like a VAX 11/730 rather than the ol' Austin > > And what's wrong with an 11/730? It's a nice little machine... > > > Morris car of the same name? :) Actually, I would't tarnish a VAX by > roping > > a politician to one, so how about an AS/400 instead? > > Err, what about using a no-name Pentium PC clone?? Not heavy enough to hold one of those gasbags down. Glen 0/0

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Another tech legend for discussion!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> wrote: > > I have it on good authority that Smalltalk-80 was not ported to the Star. > > I have it on good authority that there *was* a port. However, it was > probably done by ParcPlace rather than PARC. That would, at least, place the visit into late 86/early 87, years after the *two* vists of Apple personnel to PARC, and at the end of the Star's lifecycle as a product. The definitive story of the development of the Lisa GUI can be read at: http://home.san.rr.com/deans/lisagui.html As the final design jelled, the designers did make comparisons between what they'd come up with and the Star interface. IIRC, property sheets were one of the big Star features that had a direct analogue in the Lisa GUI. BTW, the Green Book remains the best source for info on the various implementations of Smalltalk (I have 3 of the four books original projected for publication, Blue, Orange, and Green; the book on Creating a User Interface that would have documented using MVC (Model - View - Controller paradigm) was never finished. Later, the Blue Book was discontinued and replaced with a Purple Book which omitted details on how to implement the Smalltalk Virtual Machine. regards, -doug quebbeman

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Another tech legend for discussion!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I've been trying to find anyone who might have the early Xerox release > images that were provided to their licensees, Apple, HP, Tektronix, etc., > as described in _Smalltalk-80: Bits of History, Words of Advice_. Ok. I have two versions of Apple's Virtual Image 1 release; these are the second and third ones Apple did. I'll have to check Kurt Scmucker's book tonight; the first release I knew of was the Macintosh XL version (not quite a Lisa anymore). IIRC, the second release was to support the Mac 512k (where I enter the picture, having owned the Blue Book for a year and not believing I could acquire ST80 for US$50.00!!!). The second release was to support the Mac Plus' 1MB of RAM. There was a third internal release which replaced the MVC-based GUI with the standard Mac GUI, all done with a Smalltalk version of MacApp. Xerox then takes all the feedback from the Virtual Image 1 testers and creates Virtual Image 2. There are updates, I think VI2.2 is actually what gets shipped. Two versions are marketed for the Mac, 'DE' which is for the Mac and Mac Plus, and another, can't recall the designation, which is marketed for the Mac II (68020 code). I have Smalltalk-80 VI2.2 DE, in vanilla and heavily enhanced form. I do not have any docs that accompanied the product. This period lasts about two years, then the product line off as ParcPlace Systems. The first product they ship is Virtual Image 2.5, which has Peter Deutsch's J-I-T compiler and virtual machine. Very fast. Things get boring after VI2.5, as PPS quits chasing technology and starts chasing dollars. > I've asked several people who worked on it at PARC, and the responses > I get are mostly "use Squeak instead". They don't seem to understand > that someone might have a historical interest in the early released > images. <sigh> > The Apple version for the Macintosh is reportedly not very much > different from the Xerox image, though without seeing the latter I > obviously can't confirm that. AFAIK, APple never produces a VI2-based system. Kent Beck or Larry Teslar could perhaps answer that more accurately. Another person to ask might be Sam Adams, at UIUC (he used to have a Smalltalk firm in Triangle Park). > I'd also like to get the Lisa version. It either ran on the bare > metal or on Monitor, I'm not sure which. The original disks for the two Apple releases I had are acting as growth medium for something green, having spent time under water. :-( I may have archived the disk images before that happened; I most definitely did manage to archive the ST80 VI2.2 DE disks. Eric, if you're up late mailing, send any queries to me at dougq(a)iglou.com Take note of the confusing 'G's and 'Q's in that address. regards, -doug q

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Unresistable pond comment

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Actually, why not use the politicians/beaurecrats as lovely cement-weighted pond ornaments? Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Apple II sprite boards

by paulrsm＠ameritech.net

---------- > From: Charles P. Hobbs (SoCalTip) <transit(a)lerctr.org> > On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Paul R. Santa-Maria wrote: > > > From: Charles P. Hobbs (SoCalTip) <transit(a)lerctr.org> > > > Around 1985 or so, a couple of manufacturers developed "sprite boards" > > > for the Apple II series (except the IIc, for obvious reasons) > > Picked one from eBay in November for $5. > Whoo-hoo. Good catch. (What's the name on the board so I can > try fishing for one too?) > > No docs or software, but I think > > I have the Byte magazine where Ciarcia presented plans and software for the > > original. I have not even plugged it in yet. > Does it have a TMS 9918 chip on it? It is a "SPRITE 1" by Synetix Systems, Inc., 1983, with a TMS9918A, eight memory chips (8328GVP AM9016FPC), four 74LS chips, one other chip, video input and output RCA jacks, and the usual assortment of descrete components. I also have a manual called "apple-seed II" which has parts lists, component layouts, and instructions for assembling Apple II compatible cards. Page 3-3 lists a Sprite Graphics Card which also uses a TMS9918A chip but has a different layout and only one chip (74LS00) besides the 9918 and memory (TMS4116) chips. It lists a reference: High-Resolution Sprite-Oriented Colour Graphics by Steven A. Ciarcia; page 57; August 1982; BYTE Publications, Inc. Paul R. Santa-Maria Ann Arbor, Michigan USA paulrsm(a)ameritech.net

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Classic Mac Find

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated Fri, 14 Jul 2000 2:35:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Jim Oaks" <jimoaks(a)one.net> writes: << I picked up a couple of macs at a Goodwill store a couple of days ago and found a connector with them that im not sure what it is and wanted to see if anyone on here might know what it is. The items I picked up were Performa 637cd Quadra 660av 15" Multiscan Monitor Modem 2 Keyboards 1 mouse and this connector has the following config at the open end it has 5 rows of very small female connectors at the other end it has 4 wires, one is a video connector, one is a keyboard/mouse and a speaker and mic connector. Can anyone tell me what this is? Also I was able to get this all for 25$ The 637cd works great but haven't been able to test the 660av since I need a special connector to get it to work with this monitor. Also if anyone has a connector to hook this monitor up to the 660av please let me know. Thanks Jim >> that 660av is a nice machine! I got one for $25 in a 24/1G configuration and got the matching applevision display with it. There is a special adaptor that connected the applevision and 660av together because the applevision display has speakers, mic and ADB plugs on it. IIRC on mine, it was a funny shaped box and a thick cable which plugged into it. thankfully the 660av has a standard macII series video connection so any of the mac monitors of that time will still work with it.

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RamKeeper fires?

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

Asking for info on the cards in my new IIgs, I'm getting stories that the Applied Engineering RAMKeeper was reportedly the cause of a couple of houses burning down. Anyone have anything on this or is it just another UL? I hadn't planned on really using the card and someone wants to trade me for it but maybe I should hold on to it just for the "history". :-) ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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Another tech legend for discussion!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I've seen a document that described SmallTalk and thought it still looks > better than anything I've seen up to now; I think you're right about the > Star though, from what I remember of the Horn/Raskin discussion. I knew > Bruce Horn he was one of the SmallTalk developers though, dunno why I didn't > mention it. Although I run Squeak under Windows and on a Power Mac, I still prefer running the original Xerox Smalltalk-80 VI2.2 under System 6 on a Mac. I have it on a IIci, but the IIci has a Radius Rocket in it, and the virtual machine doesn't like its 68040. I have a Mac IIfx I'll be running it on in the near future, at almost twice the speed of the IIci's '030. I'll have to run the benchmarks, but I think it runs at 0.5 Dolphin. -dq > > cheers > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > > Sent: 14 July 2000 13:58 > > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > > Subject: RE: Another tech legend for discussion! > > > > > > I have it on good authority that Smalltalk-80 was not ported > > to the Star. > > It was running on the Alto and the Dolphin at the time, as > > well as another > > Xerox workstation whose name I can't recall. Larry Teslar was > > working at > > PARC at the time, and ended up following Jobs back to Apple, because > > Xerox couldn't get their asses in gear and Apple looked like it knew > > what it was doing (w/r/t getting new technology out the door). > > > > For those interested in what Smalltalk-80 feels like to > play with, you > > should try Squeak, a successor developed by some of Smalltalk-80's > > authors, Alan Kay and Dan Ingalls, at Disney. Squeak is everything > > ST80 was and more. > > > > You can find info about Squeak at: http://www.create.ucsb.edu/squeak/

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Another tech legend for discussion!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> From what I've been reading in the last couple of months it was neither - > both Steve Jobs and Gates toured Xerox PARC in the late 70s; Lisa at this > point was already in development but needed a front end so the Lisa team > took some of the ideas from Smalltalk running on the Xerox STAR and improved > on them to develop the QuickDraw primitives found in Lisa. Gates apparently > got more ideas from when Microsoft were at Apple while Apple were helping > them develop software for the Mac that was being worked on at the same time. I have it on good authority that Smalltalk-80 was not ported to the Star. It was running on the Alto and the Dolphin at the time, as well as another Xerox workstation whose name I can't recall. Larry Teslar was working at PARC at the time, and ended up following Jobs back to Apple, because Xerox couldn't get their asses in gear and Apple looked like it knew what it was doing (w/r/t getting new technology out the door). For those interested in what Smalltalk-80 feels like to play with, you should try Squeak, a successor developed by some of Smalltalk-80's authors, Alan Kay and Dan Ingalls, at Disney. Squeak is everything ST80 was and more. You can find info about Squeak at: http://www.create.ucsb.edu/squeak/ > 2 of the main developers of the Mac platform were Bruce Horn > and Jef Raskin, their side of things can be found here: Bruce Horn also "did time" at PARC, working on Smalltalk-80. -doug q > http://www.apple-history.com/quickgallery.html?where=lisa.html > > Follow the link at the bottom of the screen. Makes for > interesting reading > IMO! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Vohs [mailto:netsurfer_x1@hotmail.com] > > Sent: 08 July 2000 21:37 > > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: Another tech legend for discussion! > > > > > > I have another tech legend to be dicussed: > > > > It is generally believed that the Apple Lisa is what spurred > > Bill Gates to > > create Windows. But recently I have read something that says > > it was *not* > > the Lisa that inspired Bill Gates, but that it was > VisiCorp's VisiOn > > software (remember that, yeah, me neither!). So my question > > is: Which one > > was it? Was it Lisa or VisiOn? > > ______________________________________________________________ > > __________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com >

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RCS/RI Open House

by aw288＠osfn.org

I suppose I ought to start advertising on the list. Anyway, the Retrocomputing Society of Rhode Island will be holding this month's open house on the 15th of the month, next Saturday, at our Millspace in Providence, Rhode Island. Directions can be found on our websight at <www.osfn.org/rcs>. This month's topic is the machines of MAI/Basic Four. Essentially, we will be examining just what we have in this line, as we have really done little with the machines since we obtained them. We will also be discussing a possible move to another room in the building, our recently arrived Symbolics machines, the electrical upgrade, future open house topics, and so on. There will also be a great deal of general computer geek talk. Please email me (or the list) with any questions. All are invited. No charge! William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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Micom

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Has anyone any info on this machine ? I have a copied software > manual and some brochures and Phillips Micom newsletters. > Yikes, sounds like something I gutted a few years back. I kept some pieces, most notably the 8-inch Tandon floppies and the daisywheel printer. Gave one Tandon away. It was 8080a based, IIRC. Have never tried the printer, strangely enough. Could be what I had was somrthing else, tho... -dq

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SY/LINK Network Interface, Square-D PLC Network I/F card, ISA

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

I found this type SFI-534 card in an IBM 5155 I recently bought. No software for it was on the 5155's hard drive (21mb Seagate). What is intriguing is what is on this board: MC6809P (socketed) MC6850P MC6840P MC6854P HY6264P-10 (x2) HD46504P/HD6844P AM2130-12PC (socketed) 27264-25 EPROM (socketed) DB9M and DB9F The board is switch selectable to be addressed anywhere from CA000-CA3FF through D3000-D33FF. It looks like it can be a lot of fun to play with if I can find any information (I.E. Schematics, etc.). From what I've found out so far, this board uses RS-422 for communication. All the receivers/drivers and protection circuitry is under the metal cover. Anyone know anything about this board? There's one very similar to it on eBay now: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=381126929 ,with photo. I put a $0.01 bid on it just so I can easily track the action, so if anyone else wants one of these boards, feel free to bid on it also. I have no desire, yet, to own another one. Bill ************************************************************** Bill Dawson <mailto:whdawson*at*mlynk.com> <- Anti-spam protection ? Your computer will do far more than you ever expected it to, and that won't be enough. Pournelle's First Law

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Unresistable pond comment

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

I assume you mean something like a VAX 11/730 rather than the ol' Austin Morris car of the same name? :) Actually, I would't tarnish a VAX by roping a politician to one, so how about an AS/400 instead? <ducks to avoid possible dec/ibm war> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Robertson [mailto:steverob@hotoffice.com] Sent: 14 July 2000 15:33 To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Unresistable pond comment > > There's just one thing wrong with that idea: it would be extremely > > cruel to the plants and creatures living in the pond. > Would you want > > to be a plant, fish or frog and have a politician plopped into your > > pond? > > > The only time I think this would be a truly good idea is when the > pond happened to be stocked with Pirahna. > Or... 14 feet deep :-) To keep this on topic, perhaps we should use an old mini instead of concrete. Any nominations? Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

26 years

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Xerox DayBreak

by yoda＠isr.ist.utl.pt

>>>>> "Tony" == Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> writes: Tony> It's normally not too hard to modify the vertical scan rate Tony> of a monitor (at least compared with doing a similar mod to Tony> the horizontal side, which can be _very_ complex). Having a Tony> schematic of the monitor helps a lot, though. Tony> What monitor have you been using on your D'break? I've been using a PAL mono monitor that I used with ZX spectrum like machines. And modifying the scan rate was exactly what I tried to do. I had a schematic of the monitor, all transistor, and with careful twiddling of some resistors and capacitors I was able to change both sync rates (HSYNC is more dangerous since it is coupled with the fly-back converter that generates all those high voltages needed to make electrons move). Cheers, -- *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> *** Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda *** Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR: *** Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa *** Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGAL *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10 31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585

26 years

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New Finds Part II

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Jason McBrien <jbmcb(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Went on the grand tour of the area, came up with the following: > > Apple DuoDisk Drive > Various and sundry cables If you have a DuoDisk drive, can you check for a spare DuoDisk cable? I think I have one that was modified for another use later (inconvenient pin snipped off). I keep meaning to post the molded-in part number, and now that I've opened my mouth, I guess I'll have to. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

26 years

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Apple IIgs Find!

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

> I just received an Apple IIgs with some cool cards and I'm looking Nice one.... > Battery which seems to go to a small card attached between the > PSU and slot 1. I think this keeps power to the Ram. It does - I got one with my hoard of Apple stuff but left it in the damaged car since the contacts etc had all but rotted away. Future restoration job there I think.

26 years

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Apple IIgs Find!

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

I just received an Apple IIgs with some cool cards and I'm looking to see if anyone has doc or software for these. The machine is a: Apple IIgs Rom 3 (But with a Woz signed case) Apple IIgs Memory Expansion (1 meg) Transwarp GS Apple II Video Overlay Card (This was the main card I wanted!!) Applied Engineering RamKeeper Battery which seems to go to a small card attached between the PSU and slot 1. I think this keeps power to the Ram. 2 3.5" drives 2 5.25" drives Keyboard & mouse ImageWriter II Printer But no doc or software for any of it. I'm interested in anything people can tell/send me on the Video Overlay Card mainly but also the Transwarp GS and the RamKeeper. Thanks in advance. ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

26 years

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IIGS hardware issue? help?

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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26 years

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Another tech legend for discussion!

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

> As to requirements, I'm not sure what Squeak needs. I do also have > it on the IIci, and it's happy with ther Radius Rocket. I just don't > run the IIci without the rocket very often. Ah - OK then! > Dangerous upgrade device, the Radius Rocket. It draws power thru > the NuBus connector, and IIRC, out of the NuBus spec. They shoulda > added a separate power connector... I full expect my IIci to go > up in smoke some day. *grin*. If I get one for the museum I'll not power it up too often then....

26 years

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Another tech legend for discussion!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Dammit - I was offered a Mac IIfx last week but didn't get to it fast enough > - he only wanted ukp25 for it which was fine by me. To run it on a IIci > would I need to get a proper video card in order to free up some system RAM? > The other Macs I've got are Plus, Classic, Classic II, Colour Classic, II, > IIci, and LC2. Next week I might be getting a Performa 475 but aren't they > the same machine as the LC2? AKAIK, yes, they are basically the same. As to requirements, I'm not sure what Squeak needs. I do also have it on the IIci, and it's happy with ther Radius Rocket. I just don't run the IIci without the rocket very often. Dangerous upgrade device, the Radius Rocket. It draws power thru the NuBus connector, and IIRC, out of the NuBus spec. They shoulda added a separate power connector... I full expect my IIci to go up in smoke some day. -dq > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > > Sent: 14 July 2000 15:15 > > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > > Subject: RE: Another tech legend for discussion! > > > > > > > I've seen a document that described SmallTalk and thought > > it still looks > > > better than anything I've seen up to now; I think you're > > right about the > > > Star though, from what I remember of the Horn/Raskin > > discussion. I knew > > > Bruce Horn he was one of the SmallTalk developers though, > > dunno why I > > didn't > > > mention it. > > > > Although I run Squeak under Windows and on a Power Mac, I > still prefer > > running the original Xerox Smalltalk-80 VI2.2 under System > 6 on a Mac. > > I have it on a IIci, but the IIci has a Radius Rocket in it, and the > > virtual machine doesn't like its 68040. I have a Mac IIfx > > I'll be running > > it on in the near future, at almost twice the speed of the > > IIci's '030. > > > > I'll have to run the benchmarks, but I think it runs at 0.5 Dolphin. > > > > -dq > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Douglas Quebbeman > [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > > > > Sent: 14 > July 2000 13:58 > > > > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > > > > Subject: RE: Another tech legend for discussion! > > > > > > > > > > > > I have it on good authority that Smalltalk-80 was not ported > > > > to the Star. > > > > It was running on the Alto and the Dolphin at the time, as > > > > well as another > > > > Xerox workstation whose name I can't recall. Larry Teslar was > > > > working at > > > > PARC at the time, and ended up following Jobs back to > > Apple, because > > > > Xerox couldn't get their asses in gear and Apple looked > > like it knew > > > > what it was doing (w/r/t getting new technology out the door). > > > > > > > > For those interested in what Smalltalk-80 feels like to > > > play with, you > > > > should try Squeak, a successor developed by some of > Smalltalk-80's > > > > authors, Alan Kay and Dan Ingalls, at Disney. Squeak is > everything > > > > ST80 was and more. > > > > > > > > You can find info about Squeak at: > > http://www.create.ucsb.edu/squeak/ > > >

26 years

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Unresistable pond comment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Sure.... how about an MAI/Basic Four system... or were they mainframes? -dq -----Original Message----- From: Steve Robertson [mailto:steverob@hotoffice.com] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 10:16 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Unresistable pond comment > > There's just one thing wrong with that idea: it would be extremely > > cruel to the plants and creatures living in the pond. > Would you want > > to be a plant, fish or frog and have a politician plopped into your > > pond? > > > The only time I think this would be a truly good idea is when the > pond happened to be stocked with Pirahna. > Or... 14 feet deep :-) To keep this on topic, perhaps we should use an old mini instead of concrete. Any nominations? Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

26 years

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Another tech legend for discussion!

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Dammit - I was offered a Mac IIfx last week but didn't get to it fast enough - he only wanted ukp25 for it which was fine by me. To run it on a IIci would I need to get a proper video card in order to free up some system RAM? The other Macs I've got are Plus, Classic, Classic II, Colour Classic, II, IIci, and LC2. Next week I might be getting a Performa 475 but aren't they the same machine as the LC2? > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > Sent: 14 July 2000 15:15 > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: RE: Another tech legend for discussion! > > > > I've seen a document that described SmallTalk and thought > it still looks > > better than anything I've seen up to now; I think you're > right about the > > Star though, from what I remember of the Horn/Raskin > discussion. I knew > > Bruce Horn he was one of the SmallTalk developers though, > dunno why I > didn't > > mention it. > > Although I run Squeak under Windows and on a Power Mac, I still prefer > running the original Xerox Smalltalk-80 VI2.2 under System 6 on a Mac. > I have it on a IIci, but the IIci has a Radius Rocket in it, and the > virtual machine doesn't like its 68040. I have a Mac IIfx > I'll be running > it on in the near future, at almost twice the speed of the > IIci's '030. > > I'll have to run the benchmarks, but I think it runs at 0.5 Dolphin. > > -dq > > > > > cheers > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > > > Sent: 14 July 2000 13:58 > > > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > > > Subject: RE: Another tech legend for discussion! > > > > > > > > > I have it on good authority that Smalltalk-80 was not ported > > > to the Star. > > > It was running on the Alto and the Dolphin at the time, as > > > well as another > > > Xerox workstation whose name I can't recall. Larry Teslar was > > > working at > > > PARC at the time, and ended up following Jobs back to > Apple, because > > > Xerox couldn't get their asses in gear and Apple looked > like it knew > > > what it was doing (w/r/t getting new technology out the door). > > > > > > For those interested in what Smalltalk-80 feels like to > > play with, you > > > should try Squeak, a successor developed by some of Smalltalk-80's > > > authors, Alan Kay and Dan Ingalls, at Disney. Squeak is everything > > > ST80 was and more. > > > > > > You can find info about Squeak at: > http://www.create.ucsb.edu/squeak/ >

26 years

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MIT Rescue Note

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Some things going to the MIT Electronics > Flea Market this Sunday. > > One of the "smaller" SMD drives. Is this one of the old CDC removable-pack units? -dq

26 years

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Unresistable pond comment

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> > There's just one thing wrong with that idea: it would be extremely > > cruel to the plants and creatures living in the pond. > Would you want > > to be a plant, fish or frog and have a politician plopped into your > > pond? > > > The only time I think this would be a truly good idea is when the > pond happened to be stocked with Pirahna. > Or... 14 feet deep :-) To keep this on topic, perhaps we should use an old mini instead of concrete. Any nominations? Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

26 years

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Intel MCS-80 Cross Development Software Available

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Ok, I have placed the Intel 8080 Macro [Cross] Assembler, the Interp-80 Simulator, and the PLM-80 Compiler in my web storage area. I've placed a tiny page at: http://members.iglou.com/dougq/8080/xmcs80.html >from which you can download the source files. As these filename extensions imply, these programs are Fortran-IV (some call it Fortran 66) source code. The files are in ASCII with CR & LF line termination. The MAC80 source still includes its program sequence numbers in columns 72-80; the other files no longer have the sequence numbers; I'm not sure how that came to be, whether I never had copies with sequence numbers, or if I stripped them to make them wasier to work with on slow serial connections. They may display incorrectly in your browser unless you add a MIME filetype for .FTN files that's otherwise identical to .TXT files. For IE user, just right-click on each link on the page and select "Save target as..." and save to your favorite location. After examining them, these do not appear to have the extensions I recall adding (although there are some non-standard changes to MAC80), so they may well not have the bugfixes either. The copies I worked most closely with were the CDC6600 and DEC-10 ports. I should have those, but they're trapped on CDC 9-track tapes, and I haven't yet remembered how to use Prime's MAGNET program to read them successfully. Feel free to download the code. It's copyrighted by Intel, but I intend on asking Teresa Knezek to add them to the Abandonware list, and to contact Intel for permission to make them freely available under hobbyist license. Grab now, if I get a cease- and-desist letter, I'll have to pull them off immediately. regards, -doug quebbeman

26 years

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Another tech legend for discussion!

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

I've seen a document that described SmallTalk and thought it still looks better than anything I've seen up to now; I think you're right about the Star though, from what I remember of the Horn/Raskin discussion. I knew Bruce Horn he was one of the SmallTalk developers though, dunno why I didn't mention it. cheers > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > Sent: 14 July 2000 13:58 > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: RE: Another tech legend for discussion! > > > I have it on good authority that Smalltalk-80 was not ported > to the Star. > It was running on the Alto and the Dolphin at the time, as > well as another > Xerox workstation whose name I can't recall. Larry Teslar was > working at > PARC at the time, and ended up following Jobs back to Apple, because > Xerox couldn't get their asses in gear and Apple looked like it knew > what it was doing (w/r/t getting new technology out the door). > > For those interested in what Smalltalk-80 feels like to play with, you > should try Squeak, a successor developed by some of Smalltalk-80's > authors, Alan Kay and Dan Ingalls, at Disney. Squeak is everything > ST80 was and more. > > You can find info about Squeak at: http://www.create.ucsb.edu/squeak/

26 years

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Apple II keep list

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

I've just got a load of boards etc from the bloke who runs the Apple Retrospective website; I know there's CoPro boards/serial boards/80 column cards/drive boards etc but haven't inventoried it all yet. That's a handy list to have.... Machines in the same haul: ][+, ][ Europlus, ][c (US version with 3.5" floppy), ][gs actually signed AND dedicated by Woz, a pair of ///s, boxed RANA external floppy, external floppy ///, ICE HD unit, ProFile and more books/floppies/original software/cards than I've been able to count yet. Imagine my horror when I was hit by another car bringing it all home! It all survived though, except the keyboard on one of the ///s, but it's repairable I hope. Pix on the museum site at www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk if anyone's interested, plus some Lisa bumf since I'm not obsessed with that machine at all, oh no. :o) > -----Original Message----- > From: John R. Keys Jr. [mailto:jrkeys@concentric.net] > Sent: 09 July 2000 01:42 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Apple II keep list > > > I have printed off your list and will carry it with me in the > van on my > hunting trips. > John Keys > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:26 AM > Subject: Apple II keep list > > > > Mikes generalized Apple II keep list, kindly correct me for dumb > stuff. > > > > Systems > > They have to be pretty nice looking, systems with school ID engraved > an > > inch high on the front are not desirable. > > Apple II, the orginal machine > > Apple II+, still not too common > > Not the IIe, sorry parts only, too many of them. > > IIgs, not rare, but people still actively use them more > than any other > II. > > Look for Woz editions and rom 3. > > IIc, cute and complete systems with monitor still sell for > $35 or so. > > IIc+, more powerfull than the IIc, but in some ways less collectible > (no > > idea why), still $45 for a complete system is fairly common. > > > > Drives (mostly I mean external) > > Any external hard drive, or even case. > > DuoDisk floppy drives (two drives in a box) with cable. > > Unidisk floppy drives > > White IIc drives > > 400k floppy drives > > 1.44 MB floppy drives > > > > Keyboards > > A9M0330 is the IIgs original keyboard, and VERY popular > because it is > the > > smallest mac keyboard (and its the original. > > Any mac keyboard, I even pile broken ones in a box for parts. This > comes > > from actually paying $169 for one once. > > > > Mice > > Early DB9 mice, M0100 with the black ball retaining ring is the > original. > > All the mice too. > > > > Misc > > IIc LCD display > > IIc 9" green monitor AND matching stand. > > Kensington system saver fans. > > > > Cards and other innerds > > Accelerator boards, Applied Engineering Transwarp about the most > desired. > > Fast SCSI cards, much faster, only card that supports > removable media. > > Apple Rev C SCSI cards, but much less so than Fast SCSI. > > Workstation cards > > Vulcan hard drive inside power supply > > Focus IDE drive on a card > > Anything curious > > I/O controller cards (for later floppy drives) > > Mouse cards for IIe > > > > > > >

26 years

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Another tech legend for discussion!

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

>From what I've been reading in the last couple of months it was neither - both Steve Jobs and Gates toured Xerox PARC in the late 70s; Lisa at this point was already in development but needed a front end so the Lisa team took some of the ideas from Smalltalk running on the Xerox STAR and improved on them to develop the QuickDraw primitives found in Lisa. Gates apparently got more ideas from when Microsoft were at Apple while Apple were helping them develop software for the Mac that was being worked on at the same time. 2 of the main developers of the Mac platform were Bruce Horn and Jef Raskin, their side of things can be found here: http://www.apple-history.com/quickgallery.html?where=lisa.html Follow the link at the bottom of the screen. Makes for interesting reading IMO! > -----Original Message----- > From: David Vohs [mailto:netsurfer_x1@hotmail.com] > Sent: 08 July 2000 21:37 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Another tech legend for discussion! > > > I have another tech legend to be dicussed: > > It is generally believed that the Apple Lisa is what spurred > Bill Gates to > create Windows. But recently I have read something that says > it was *not* > the Lisa that inspired Bill Gates, but that it was VisiCorp's VisiOn > software (remember that, yeah, me neither!). So my question > is: Which one > was it? Was it Lisa or VisiOn? > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years

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More Links Added to the VCF Link Library!

by vcf＠siconic.com

Over 150 links have been newly added to the VCF Link Library. The Apple and Amstrad sections have been beefed up considerably. Cool site of the night: Beagle Bros Online Museum http://www.panic.com/~stevenf/beagle The VCF Link Library is at: http://www.vintage.org/cgi-bin/links.pl Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

26 years

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PDP 8/I stuff

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Mike Cruse <mcruse(a)acm.org> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I finally take delivery of my PDP 8/I next week. It comes with a couple of > tape drives and a high speed paper tape reader. > > I'm am now looking for anything PDP 8/I related including books, paper tapes, > peripherals (especially an ASR33 teletype) I may have mentioned this already, but since you have a high-speed paper tape reader, you can get by with a VT220 as a 20mA terminal. I swap one off of my PDP-8/L to save paper when playing around. 95% of the tapes I have are fan-fold. One of the ones that isn't is a floating point package for 8K paper tape BASIC that I need to load Star Trek, and at the moment, my 8K expander box is not attached. It's not authentic, but it _is_ convenient. BTW, is there a good modern source for the Mate-n-Lok connectors that wre in common usage for 20mA cables? I'd like to make a switchbox. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

26 years

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Helios Source (Was: RE: Jim Battle's SolACE: The next steps)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

In all this talk of Sols, I recall that Stan Sokolow had finally managed to wrestle the source code to the Helios disk OS away from whomever it was who ended up with the PTC IP rights. Altough it was proprietary in lots of ways (hard sectored 8" drives, IIRC), it was a decent design. Anyone got it?

26 years

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Jim Battle's SolACE: The next steps

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> If you go to > > http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/soldocu.html > > you'll find chapters 7, 8, and 9 are already OCR'd and PDF'd. Well, I missed that when I first checked out your site. How cool, you've got the Access newsletter I used to have (don't know what happened to them), the BASIC/5 manual (ditto). What I see you don't have is the Trek-80 manual; you have a space for the Popular Electronics article; do you need me to scan that for you (I do have it)? I also have the smaller document package that came with what I initially bought, the Sol-PCB, for <drumroll please> $40. However, its location on the basement floor was a bad place to be during a flood, and the individual pages are glued together by mold or lordknows. Some carefull soaking may allow me to separate them. I'll try to inventory everything tonight, and compare it to what you've listed. Great work, Jim! -dq

26 years

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Fw: NEC APCIII

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Here some more stuff that needs saving. Please the gentleman directly. Thanks John John Keys ----- Original Message ----- From: bill57 <bill57(a)uswest.net> To: <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 4:16 PM Subject: NEC APCIII > Hi John. Sorry that I have not been in touch for a while. > Here is a list of all the stuff I have laying around. > > NEC APCIII with monitor, keyboard, and NEC Pinwriter P7. > With this I have 4 extra printer ribbons, 1 large box of 5 > 1/2" floppys with assorted software. 1 box of manuals for > the printer, keyboard, and computer. NEC APCIII manuals, > MS-DOS Macro Assembler, GW-Basic Users Guide still in > wrappers. Gw-Basic Guide for the Software Library Expander, > MS-DOS Programers Reference Manual, MS-DOS Guide for the > Software Library Expander, MS-DOS Users Guide/GSX-86 Users > Guide, IBM DOS 2.10 Users Manual. Some software that is with > the computer is Lotus 1-2-3 release 1a, RBASE 5000, D5 > Backup version 2.4 1985 in case with manual,Chessmaster > 2100, at least 80 floppys. Other software that has never > been opened are, Lotus 1-2-3 release 2.2 Server > edition,lotus 1-2-3 release 4 Spreadsheet for DOS, Lotus > Freelance Graphics for DOS with Outliner from Symantec > Server Edition, Lotus Symphony release 3 Server edition. > Other items that I have are, 1 dead Lexmark Execjet IIc 4076 > printer, 1 Teac 5 1/2" floppy drive FD-55GFR, 1 Seagate > ST-238R hard drive, 1 Sony 2MB model#MP-F75W-11G floppy > drive, 1 286 Motherboard from Datatech, 1 Cetrum Systems > West Serial port card P/N 10322 rev.D 1985, 1 WDC 1985 > WD1003-WA2 IDE card, 1 Data Tech Co. P/N 10-00345 IDE card, > 1 Seagate ST-225 hard drive, 1 old modem card ISA 1988, 1 > Foxcomm ISA card MG-180 rev.A with 1 serial & 1 parralel > port, ! unknown card dated 1991 with 1 IDE connection & 1 > floppy drive connection with printer port, 1 Matsushita 5 > 1/2" floppy drive 1987, 1 Toshiba 5 1/2" floppy drive, 1 > Winchester drive card 1987, 1 dirty old 386 motherboard 1987 > american Megatrends, 1 Mitsumi D503 5 1/2" floppy drive, and > some other unknown cards. I also have an Irwin 120/250mb > external tape backup in original box with some tapes, 3 old > computers that are either 286 or 386's. 1 is a Cyclone that > is basically intact, and 2 Express' that are somewhat > cannibalized, 1 Sony 3 1/2" floppy drive MP-F51W-23, 1 > Trident video card ISA 1993, 1 USR modem 1989, and 3 1meg 30 > pin memory from L.A. Components, a small assortment of books > from Unisys. > > I hope this is helpful to you. I did the best that I could > to be thorough. Please let me know if you are interested in > all of this and/or what it may be worth to you. To be > totally honest with you, my wife wants me to get rid of some > of this stuff. I am not a greedy person, but I do know I > want something for it all. > > Looking forward to hearing from you, > > Bill Jungbauer > >

26 years

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CBM Plus/4 malfunctioning...can anyone help?

by retro＠retrobits.com

Greetings, I've got a Commodore Plus/4 that's not working quite right. When I turn it on, it does power up, but doesn't boot to BASIC. Instead, it "breaks" into the machine language monitor. The following is displayed: BREAK PC SR AC XR YR SP ;8008 B5 08 00 00 FF Looks like one of the chips is fried, but which? My initial guess is either the Kernal ROM or BASIC interpreter is shot. Any guesses? And does anyone know where I can find some Plus/4 spare parts? :-) Thanks and best regards, Earl Evans retro(a)retrobits.com

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Running GS/OS On an Apple IIgs

by mrdos＠swbell.net

Thanks for the info! I was just about ready to throw my GS out the window. How much do you want for your GS, and what kind of stuff comes with it? Do I really need 2 megs of RAM to run GSOS? I have a manual for an Apple IIGS with 1 meg, and it shows lots of happy people using GSOS. Thanks, Owen -----Original Message----- From: Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, July 13, 2000 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Running GS/OS On an Apple IIgs >I used an SE30 with expanded memory. 720k double density disks are exactly >the right kind. I would expect any mac that can still read and write 800k >mac disks to be able to do the job, so the Mac II probably would work. > >You can also get gsos either preloaded on a hard disk (from allelec.com) >or on floppies from http://www.shrevesystems.com/apple2.html > >You'll want a hard disk for gsos. You *can* boot from floppy, but it's not >very useful. The hard disks allelec.com sells are called focus hard cards, >and they're quite nice. And at 69 bucks US it's hard to beat. > >You'll also need at least 2 megs of RAM to run GSOS. If you seriously want >to get into this stuff, I have a GS with a 4 meg memory board and lots of other >useful stuff (no OS though, unfortunately) I'm looking to get rid of, and will >sell for very little money. E-mail me privately and we can work something out. > > >> >> How elderly is "elderly"? I tried a Mac SE, but it didn't have enough >> memory. Would a Mac II work? I've been using a PowerMac. Is it OK to use >> 720K disks? Disk storage and capacity makes NO since to me. >> >> Thanks, >> Owen > >-- >Jim Strickland >jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > BeOS Powered! >-----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Running GS/OS On an Apple IIgs

by mrdos＠swbell.net

How elderly is "elderly"? I tried a Mac SE, but it didn't have enough memory. Would a Mac II work? I've been using a PowerMac. Is it OK to use 720K disks? Disk storage and capacity makes NO since to me. Thanks, Owen -----Original Message----- From: Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, July 13, 2000 2:28 AM Subject: Re: Running GS/OS On an Apple IIgs >When I did this I had to expand the files on an elderly macintosh to get >usable disks. They each write out a disk image. > > >> >> I have been trying very hard to get GS/OS running on my Apple IIgs ROM 1. I >> downloaded the disk images from Apple, and the disk seems to duplicate OK on >> a 3.5" 720K DOS Disk, but I get an UNABLE TO LOAD PRODOS message on the >> Apple IIgs. Does anyone have any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> Owen >> >> > > >-- >Jim Strickland >jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > BeOS Powered! >-----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Helios Source (Was: RE: Jim Battle's SolACE: The next steps)

by r.stek＠snet.net

>Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:29:38 -0400 >From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> >Subject: Helios Source (Was: RE: Jim Battle's SolACE: The next steps) > >In all this talk of Sols, I recall that Stan Sokolow had finally >managed to wrestle the source code to the Helios disk OS away from >whomever it was who ended up with the PTC IP rights. I have the source for the resident portion, and am sending it to Jim soon. I do have the Helios Owner's manual and Repair Manual, as well as a (supposedly) working Helios and lots of 8" disks and software for it. (Why don't I have it up and running? A l-o-n-g story.... But perhaps this fall...) And, yup, I have the zero-crossing fix. Thanks. Bob Stek Saver of Lost SOLs

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Coming Soon: Intel Mac-80, Interp-80, PLM-80

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Some of you may have seen my recent post about being able to restore data from very old 9-track magtape. Although I seem to have lost some 8080 assembly code I wrote (and some I didn't write but did laboriously type in), I was successful in getting the old Intel cross-development software back. The three programs are the Mac-80 Cross [Macro] Assembler, the Interp-80 software simulation of the MCS-80 8080 CPU, and the PLM-80 compiler (a two-pass monster). Now, the PLM80 compiler Fortran source has been available on the Digital Research archive and its mirrors for some time now. But I spent quite a bit of time with these three programs, fixing bugs and providing some minimal extensions. I am assuming I migrated the fixes and extensions to the Prime ports of this code. If so, then what I've got should be preferred over other copies (I'd ported these to the DEC-10 and the CDC6600 as well). So, as soon as I have a way to get stuff off the Prime and onto a PC, I'll upload them to my web storage area, and provide links so anyone interested can download them. I hope I didn't waste my time doing this; I searched high and low on the web for Mac80 and Interp80, to no avail. regards, -doug quebbeman

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