- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

There is a lady named Louise Barrett that owns a Flea market located at 8919 Natural Bridge Rd. at I-70 in Bel-Ridge, phone is 314-423-6335. She has cases after cases of printer ribbons and toner cartridges for lasers and is willing to let it all go for next to nothing just take it all. I could not do it as we had the small van with us and not my big one. You collectors there may want to get together and split up among yourselves. I only got a small number of items there this trip and will put a list soon along with some auctions items I got at a apple dealer sale. John Keys

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A reason to hit ARC, etc.

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

It might be Aircraft Radio Corporation, makers of the well known ARC-5 radio, but somehow I doubt it. Joe At 02:47 PM 8/22/00 -0500, you wrote: >Betraying my ignorance, but what's an ARC? > >-- Tony > >> ---------- >> From: Will Jennings[SMTP:xds_sigma7@hotmail.com] >> Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 2:46 PM >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >> Subject: A reason to hit ARC, etc. >> >> At one ARC in Colorado Springs (prices in dollars in parenthesis): >> VAXstation 2000 (6) >> the TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 front end programs for the '11 in the system (3) >> An HP-150 (which I am kicking myself for not buying even though it was a >> year ago! 6) >> >> Will J >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >> >

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Digital Ultra Note

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I saw a small notebook computer called a Digital Ultra Note at the >recycling center. unfortunately, the guy who handles surplus sales >is gone for 2 weeks so i wasnt able to obtain it, but i'm curious >about it. My web searches return things that look more like laptop >computers than a thin notebook computer. Hinote Ultra Nice machine... top of the line was the CT475, active matrix, 486 at 75 mhz. If you look at the machine, you should notice it does NOT have a floppy drive... for the 'Hinote Ultra', the floppy is an optional wedge which attaches underneath. One can also attach a CDrom and speaker system to one of these machines. In this case, though, you lose the floppy. I know I'd love to get another one (mine is currently on the disabled list). Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Digital Ultra Note

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I saw a small notebook computer called a Digital Ultra Note at the recycling center. unfortunately, the guy who handles surplus sales is gone for 2 weeks so i wasnt able to obtain it, but i'm curious about it. My web searches return things that look more like laptop computers than a thin notebook computer. Can anyone tell me anything about this computer? does it even come with a floppy drive, or are all peripherals external (this is a very thin laptop, they had 2 stacks of laptops and this was at least 1/2 as thin as the rest). -Lawrence LeMay

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Digital Ultra Note

by Anthony.Eros＠compaq.com

The floppy drive is an external wedge that sits underneath the system. There is a CD-ROM available for it as well as part of a multimedia expansion tray that the notebook sits in, but you can't have both the floppy and the CD connected at the same time. Here's a link to DEC's timeline which includes a HiNote Ultra reference: http://www.montagar.com/dfwcug/VMS_HTML/timeline/1994.htm -- Tony > ---------- > From: Lawrence LeMay[SMTP:lemay@cs.umn.edu] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 5:15 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Digital Ultra Note > > I saw a small notebook computer called a Digital Ultra Note at the > recycling center. unfortunately, the guy who handles surplus sales > is gone for 2 weeks so i wasnt able to obtain it, but i'm curious > about it. My web searches return things that look more like laptop > computers than a thin notebook computer. > > Can anyone tell me anything about this computer? does it even come with > a floppy drive, or are all peripherals external (this is a very thin > laptop, they had 2 stacks of laptops and this was at least 1/2 as thin > as the rest). > > -Lawrence LeMay >

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pdp 8/e M8655 serial card

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I cant read the schematics of the M8655 on the various web sites, so i cant see how to configure the card for baud rate and device codes, etc, etc. The main console should be devices 03 and 04, if i recall correctly >from 25 years ago... Does anyone have this information in a text file, or a better quality scan of the printset? -Lawrence LeMay

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote: > Someone asked: > > How can you tell about the original ROMs and 13 sector disk? > > I'll bet Eric Smith knows this (as well as how to properly identify a > > 13-sector disk controller...one clue is that it is missing the sticker > > that has the Apple logo with a "16" inside, but that isn't a reliable > > indicator). > > A 13-sector controller's PROMs are labelled P5 and P6, whereas a 16-sector > controller has P5A and P6A. > > It is reasonable to upgrade a 13 sector controller to P5 with P6A. This > retains the 13-sector boot code, but upgrades the state machine to be > capable of reading 16-sector format. In my machine I had two controllers, > one with P5 and P6A, the other with P5A and P6A. I would boot 13-sector > disks from the former and 16-sector from the latter, but when 16-sector > software was running, it could use all four drives. Are the contents of the PROMs available anywhere for download? I happen to have an ancient Data I/O programmer that will blow them and a *very* limited supply of blanks (the COMBOARD-I used a pair of 256x8 PROMs for boot ROMs) I wouldn't mind making a set of 13-sector PROMs. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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A reason to hit ARC, etc.

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Its umm American Retarded Citizens or something like that... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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A reason to hit ARC, etc.

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

At one ARC in Colorado Springs (prices in dollars in parenthesis): VAXstation 2000 (6) the TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 front end programs for the '11 in the system (3) An HP-150 (which I am kicking myself for not buying even though it was a year ago! 6) Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Lethal computers? No, but certainly painful ones

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Umm, well once when my dad and I were moving some of my Perkin-Elmers, a 3210 decided it didn't want to stay on our tractor's forklift attachment... and it left sideways, and guess who was standing nearby... I lept sideways out of the way, but it still clipped my side and sent me flying... hurt like hell, and it gave me a nice red mark across my side and my leg. Fortunately, both myself and the computer are both ok... I've also had my fingers smashed by a 600 pound disk drive... had my foot run over by the same drive, and struggled to push an IBM mainframe up a hill. However, I'm not sure whether my dad or the computers are more dangerous... he pushed the disk drive into my hand, and he ran over my foot with it too... ;p Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Apple Recall of powerbooks (fwd)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Forwarding this to the list, as per request, got sent directly to me by mistake :^) Obviously I don't agree with the following. Just wish I had a 5300 and $1700, I'd be jumping on this deal. Though got to admit I'd only heard about the battery problems, not the reliability problems. Zane Forwarded message: > From jpero(a)sympatico.ca Mon Aug 21 13:58:45 2000 > From: jpero(a)sympatico.ca > Comments: Authenticated sender is <b1fkdt86(a)pop6.sympatico.ca> > To: healyzh(a)aracnet.com > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:57:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: Apple Recall of powerbooks > Priority: normal > In-reply-to: <200008212033.NAA00903(a)shell1.aracnet.com> > References: <000501c00b6b$b01164b0$3c37d986(a)fauradon.beckman.com> from "FBA" at Aug 21, 2000 07:30:59 AM > X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Message-Id: <20000821205838.BBUW12424.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@pii350> > > > From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com > > Subject: Re: Apple Recall of powerbooks > > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:33:21 -0700 (PDT) > > Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > > > http://www.pbzone.com/index.shtml#applestore > > > States that apple will be destroying the PB that are sent back. > > > Time to find those babies and protect them from doom. > > > Francois > > > > There is a good reason they're trying to get them back and destroyed. > > They're a fire hazard. Basically use them at your own risk, and if possible > > without the batteries installed. IIRC, those batteries can explode under > > the correct conditions. > > Misinformation again. That's for lithium-ion batteries recall. > Rest I hear is reliablity issues besides this lithium-ion. > > But I'm still not conviced that apple should waste time sending out > this to pull in people to give up their lucky still working 190 and > 5300 and force them to spend 1700. Still doesn't sound right. I'm > after the truth. > > 1. Is Apple weaseling out of this deal? > 2. Is Apple anxious to earn some profits? > 3. Is apple trying to clear out the performance similaries to other > powerbooks but lesser features and expansion get cramped by ridding > of 190 and 5300? > > Remember, Apple have always cut corners and skrimped on cost and > durablity, reliablity. All I think of this that might made people > happy is stockholders. > > Even the worst maker actually had similar problems like this and left > it as is and moved on without fuss. Bondwell was horrible in past, > toshiba and few others were or are like that currently, poor support. > > My advice. Turn down toshiba, compaq, pb, apple. Look at ibm, asus > and few others instead. > > Wizard > > > Zane >

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OT: Goodwill's charter

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

This whole thread's killing me, but that's a hazard of staying connected to the community :>. Goodwill's mission is to provide jobs and training. A bio of the founder, Edgar J. Helms, availible at http://www.makeadifferenceusa.org/honorees/helms.html alludes to this. The fact that these jobs and associated training sometimes involve sorting and selling donated used goods as a means to that end doesn't exclude a museum. The museum could very well also provide employment in a similar manner, and be within their "charter." --Mike

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Subtle question, only a true collector can answer :-)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I'd use the licenses... the licenses I use were bought by the Denver Nuggets, though I did get the hobbyist license, I never could get the damn thing to work. I really only care about using the licenses so that the damn "unlicensed" message goes away. And as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather castrate myself with rusty hedge clippers than give ComCrap *any* of my money... I'd give DEC money for real licenses, but since ComCrap has annihilated them, too damn bad if they want money. Ok that was a satisfying rant ;p Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open

by reyes＠orion.ae.utexas.edu

If you are ever in Austin Texas you may want to check this out. RR >X-eGroups-Return: alex(a)goodwillcomputerworks.net >To: gwcw(a)egroups.com >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Originating-IP: 204.96.175.242 >From: "Goodwill Computerworks" <alex(a)goodwillcomputerworks.net> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Mailing-List: list gwcw(a)egroups.com; contact gwcw-owner(a)egroups.com >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:51:59 -0000 >Reply-To: gwcw-owner(a)egroups.com >Subject: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open >Status: > > >Just a quick email to let you know the Goodwill Computerworks Museum >will be open beginning this Saturday, August 18th. For those of you >who haven't visited in a while, we've expanded the museum and it now >includes over 100 machines! From 1977 to recent years, from the >smallest handheld computers to a Cray EL94, we have quite an array of >computer history. > >Stop on by and have a look, and if you have any questions, comments, >or you would like to donate any items to the museum, please contact a >store associate. The museum is located in the back of the retail >store, 8701A Research Blvd., open Monday through Saturday 10-7 and >Sunday 11-7. > >Thanks for reading, and we hope you enjoy it! > > > >Community email addresses: > Subscribe: gwcw-subscribe(a)onelist.com > Unsubscribe: gwcw-unsubscribe(a)onelist.com > List owner: gwcw-owner(a)onelist.com >

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Ma Bell and any baby Bell company

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

Hello, Keep in mind the mindset of AT&T: Deny all problems and avoid taking ANY responsibility for the customers' problems. Remember, BELL reall means Better Expect Less and Less . . . . . >From personal experience, I would avoid (as good common sense) any Bell company for any POTS/data services. I'm sure there is a plethora of companies out there who do care about their customers . . . . . Kind regards -- Gary Hildebrand Box 6184 St. Joseph, MO 64506-0184 816-662-2612 or ghldbrd(a)ccp.com

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 21, 20:28, Sellam Ismail wrote: > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, FBA wrote: > > > How can you tell about the original ROMs and 13 sector disk? > I'll bet Eric Smith knows this (as well as how to properly identify a > 13-sector disk controller...one clue is that it is missing the sticker > that has the Apple logo with a "16" inside, but that isn't a reliable > indicator). Look at the PROMs on the controller. On a 13-sector card, the chips are type P5 and P6; on a 16-sector, they are P5A and P6A. Occasionally, you may find one original (no 'A') and one 'A'. I forget which is which, but one of the PROMs contains code and the other is a state machine; it was possible to upgrade the code for slightly better reliability without going all the way to 16-sector. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by foo＠siconic.com

On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Mike Ford wrote: > The last red book, by itself sold for well over $100 on eBay. Woof. > OTOH I would be hard pressed to pay more than $25 for just the II. > > I mention this not to set some "fair" price, but as an observation on how > difficult setting a fair price can be. > > A better question is "what is it worth to YOU", then send guilt money as > needed. I agree. I say send $25 and be content. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Manual scannaging (NIA20)...

by vaxman＠uswest.net

Hi All, I have started the arduous task of scanning the manuals I recently paid too much for on EBay, and I would be interested in suggestions... The first 20 (~9% or so) pages of the NIA20 manual is online at: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hardware/6214/index.html You should be able to search on any word in the document. I haven't decided about hotspots in the table of contents to take you to a particular page... Suggestions? clint PS Unfortunately, the book is softbound, so scanning is a page at a time process... PPS The 780 stuff is looseleaf, so I am going to try out the autofeeder at work tommorrow... It's sposed to email me a PDF file...

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/21/00 9:30:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net writes: > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Date: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:37 PM > Subject: Re: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - * > > > >>> Did the PS/1 have a 5.25" drive (other than external)? > >> No external, it was internal. > > > >No, it most certainly was NOT internal. > >The PS/1 has an internal 3.5 inch drive. > > > I'm sitting here looking at one! Machine type # 2133, model number G53. > Under the folding front door there is a 5.25" floppy (1.2mb). No > provisions > for a external drive and it's owner (first and only) said the 3.5" 1.44mb > drive was added, and she had to get a new bezel for it. > > Maybe a variation? > > Allison All PS/1s came with modems and 3.5 drives. some of the midrange 2133,2155 and 2168 models had 5.25 drives, either as a combo drive, or seperately. DB Young ICQ: 29427634 hurry, hurry, step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! -> www.nothingtodo.org

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - * >>> Did the PS/1 have a 5.25" drive (other than external)? >> No external, it was internal. > >No, it most certainly was NOT internal. >The PS/1 has an internal 3.5 inch drive. I'm sitting here looking at one! Machine type # 2133, model number G53. Under the folding front door there is a 5.25" floppy (1.2mb). No provisions for a external drive and it's owner (first and only) said the 3.5" 1.44mb drive was added, and she had to get a new bezel for it. Maybe a variation? Allison >

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

What would you consider an original Apple II (not the II+ or IIe) to be worth? I received one and I'm going to cover their shipping cost but want to give a little something extra for the system. Got a bunch of original doc, software, cards etc. with it. The only minus is the original boot rom was exchanged with an auto-start rom. But I have an original rom which was swapped with the auto-start rom in an Apple II+ so I can make it whole again. :-) Any comments on value? ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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source for W3 to VGA connectors?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Does anyone know of a source for 3W3 to VGA connectors? This is to connect a DEC 4000/VLC to a VGA type monitor. I've got the 3W3 to BNC cable but I'd rather not have to use the VR299 all the time :-) --Chuck

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C&K 7413 switch

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Does anyone have a inexpensive source for some C&K 7413 switches? I checked Digi-Key, but they want $21.12 per switch! These switches are used to turn Terak computers on/off, or force a reboot. -Lawrence LeMay

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For those not reading alt.sys.pdp8

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

The PDP-8/X http://surfin.spies.com/~dgc/pdp8x/ "The PDP-8/X is a reimplementation of the PDP-8/I, with 32K words of memory (all the memory you can put on a PDP-8/I), an extended memory control, an interface to an RS-232 terminal, and an interface to an IDE disk." Looks kinda cool. He mentions in a posting that he'll post the XILINX code in a few days. Zane

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VCF Requests

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Welllll, if I journey out there from CO, I could bring a case or 2 of Mr. Pibb I suppose.... My want list: Minicomputers Mainframes Supercomputers Arcane UNIX boxen Workstations (Apollo, Whitechapel, Three Rivers, Ardent, Stardent, Stellar) Symbolics machines Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Subtle question, only a true collector can answer :-)

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Ok, so over the weekend I picked up a couple of VAXen. They were both in DEC "BA213" enclosures that were mounted to 19" DEC racks. Neither uses disks that are in the racks, although one used a tape drive that is in its rack. Here's the question, lets say I take all of the cards and move them from the BA213 in the rack, into a BA213 that is in one of the roll around pedestals. Is the system still "original" ? Clearly the only way to tell it isn't the same is that the serial number on the chassis has changed, even though the sticker is the same system type. My take on it is that its still the same if it is the same set of parts in the same configuration as I got them, other views? On a semi-related note, I paid $100 for a 4000/VLC on Ebay (I know, over market, but the thing was "new" in the box. I bid on it on a hunch, and my hunch proved to be accurate, in the original documentation are the license PAKs that go with the system, un-opened, never been used, waiting for the system "buyer" to activate/use. Clearly I can use these (LMF will accept them as valid) but what is the legality question here? DEC sold the system with these licenses to be used on it, and I'm planning on doing so. Further the licenses appear to be "generic" in the sense that they aren't addressed to a particular owner. Comments? --Chuck

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/20/00 9:11:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: > On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Bill Dawson wrote: > > > Early 128K IBM PS/1 with 5.25" floppy drive and PS/1 power cube, PS1 > > keyboard (not chicklets), separate PS/1 color monitor, 2 PS/1 joysticks, > > and a large box of IBM software (games and educational) in the IBM > > I always wondered what era the IBM PS/1 is from? I've seen PS/1 machines > but they look 90s. And I never heard of them before the PS/2, although it > would seem logical that the PS/1 came first. What's the deal? > > Sellam PS/1s were made from 1990 to 1994. they were consumer models and used everything between 286-10 to 486-66 cpus. PS/2s were commerical desktop machines. Most people recognize the PS/1 as one of the first three models that used 286/386 cpus. they were a proprietary design with small cases and matching monitors. later models were standard LPX designs with power management. very simple and easy to fix. I've two early PS/1s in my collection. david, former PS/1 and Aptiva technical support DB Young ICQ: 29427634 hurry, hurry, step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! -> www.nothingtodo.org

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Hidden Treasures and Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

Second post of correction, since some seem to have missed it: To all, Please note the correction in the description of the one IBM system available below. I meant PC jr, not PS/1. Somehow, I hope this is related to a major blow I received on my head last night in an accident, which cut my scalp about 1.5 across and peeled it back about 2 inches. This would have to be in a place where I had already lost hair. If this isn't related, then it was just a stupid mistake d8^) I guess this an appropriate topic to put out the word about a fairly obscure organization in SW PA that regularly has vintage computers for sale at their Canonsburg location (and now on this list) and my relationship with them. The main organization is called The Washington City Mission, which is a Christian Homeless Rehabilitation Shelter, and they operate five "Hidden Treasures" retail stores in the local area. They also operate the Avis Arbor Women's Shelter. Drop-offs are accepted at all store locations, but they also have several box vans which are out in the community during the weekdays making pickups which are arranged by donors calling in. Quoting from their literature: "Five Hidden Treasures thrift stores in Burgettstown, Canonsburg, Donora, Washington and Waynesburg offer excellent quality used merchandise at affordable prices. Your purchase at one of our stores provides revenue for us to continue our programs. Our stores are a ministry in each community, offering free of reduced cost merchandise to those in need. Whether you are rich or poor, there is something for everyone at Hidden Treasures." I started out as a regular customer at the Canonsburg location, often finding vintage computers and equipment at very reasonable prices. Terry, the manager at the Canonsburg store, informed me they were not picking up a lot of computer equipment because they didn't have anyone to go through it and check it out. He offered me a volunteer position as their "computer man", which I accepted. In return for testing and configuring "newer" PC's for low income families and other needy persons, I get all the vintage equipment that comes in, if I want it. The word is out now, and all computer equipment is accepted. Needless to say the usual things are plentiful, Commodores, Atari's, etc., but it is great to get some systems in that are still new in the box, along with an occasional CP/M system. We will be relocating the store in the future, so I am planning a vintage computer museum section. The difference will be that, unlike Goodwill, everything will be available for very reasonable prices. We are also planning on selling on eBay. Right now we have several complete vintage PC systems for sale, and lots of components. If anyone on this list is interested, contact me off list with a reasonable offer, exclusive of actual shipping costs. I'm not talking anywhere near eBay prices here. Just cover the time needed to pack things for shipping and a reasonable donation. And yes, your donation is tax deductible. Shipping available via UPS Ground and USPS parcel post, USPS Priority for smaller items and if requested. Photos also available upon request. And if you can get to our store, contact me for directions and a meeting time. Current systems and components that need homes: Original IBM 5150 PC, dual floppies, 5153 CGA monitor, IBM PC keyboard and 80 column IBM printer. Great physical and working condition. Early 128K IBM PC jr with 5.25" floppy drive and PC jr power cube, PC jr keyboard (not chicklets), separate PC jr color monitor, 2 PC jr joysticks, and a large box of IBM software (games and educational) in the IBM plastic boxes, 4 are on cartridges, the rest are on floppies, all have manuals. Also includes all the original PC jr manuals and software, IBM DOS 2.X (I think 2.0 or 2.01) with slipcover binder. I can supply a list of the software titles to anyone seriously interested in this package. I also have the IBM 132 column printer that came in with all this. Great physical and working condition. Complete Apple Performa 637CD, Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor, Keyboard, Mouse. Great physical and working condition. Early NEC PC, monitor and keyboard. Details if requested. Haven't checked it out yet. IBM PC jr color monitor. (#2) Various EGA and CGA monitors. Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor (#2) Lots and lots of PC keyboards. 80 column dot matrix printers, mostly tractor feed. PC power supplies. Various PC network cards, BNC/RJ-45. I pull them from the PC systems that come in. Other items arriving just about every day. I'm going to try to get approval for us to accept large business systems also. We have the storage in Washington, and with the large area that our trucks, with lift gates, cover, some great stuff is bound to turn up eventually. My recent finds: Atari 130XE NIB, C-128 NIB, Commodore 1526 LQ printer, NIB, lots of accessories, and boxes and boxes of manuals and diskettes. If there is interest within this group, more posts will follow and nothing much will end up on eBay. And remember, this endeavor supports a very worthy cause. Bill -> This is a "GOODWILL COMPUTERWORKS". A dedicated computer store. -> -> *ALL THEY SELL* is computers. All the computers donated to Goodwill across -> the state are trucked here, where if possible, they're reassembled into -> working boxes/parts (in the case of PCs), tested, and put out on the -> shelves for people to buy. 99% of the people coming in are looking for -> a PC, Mac, parts for same, or a printer or keyboard, etc; they've just -> recently opened up the "back room" with the old vintage stuff. -> -> People that go to the store *are* interested in the museum; they've -> been doing it to a limited extent for the past 2-3 years (as long as -> I've been going to the store), but have just recently gotten the room -> to expand it. -> -> When I spoke to one of the employees yesterday, he said that they get -> offered TONS more stuff that they simply dont have room for, but would -> love to take. I'm trying to work with them to establish another mailing -> list of collectors for this stuff - so that if GWCW gets offered a piece -> of hardware that they dont have the room for, the people on the list can -> then take a shot at it. -> -> If you want the "normal" GoodWill store, where you can buy clothing, -> coffee pots, old furnitre, etc, the newly expanded and remodeled store -> is about a half mile up the street.

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Thoughts on a datascope

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 03:16 PM 8/21/00 -0400, you wrote: >Remove the HD and attached it as the second drive in an >old bootable PC that already has one MFM drive. You'll >need to get the drive parameters for the drive entered >into the CMOS; I think I used to use SpeedStor (?) for >that. Other utilities exist. I imagine the older Linuxes support MFM controllers. Perhaps even the current versions do, too. You could simply 'dd' the drive image to another device. My favorite backup trick recently was getting drive images >from an Amiga 2500 to a PC for use under an emulator. I mounted the PC's drive under NFS, then used a freeware program to copy the drive image to the remote file. - John

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VCF Requests

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

I thought that at least the Apple IIe is the higher grade of R@RE, or even L**K U-L-T-R-A R@R3!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Marvin Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 3:13 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: VCF Requests Well, mostly what I am looking for is documentation for S-100 stuff. I have a number of things I am willing to trade: *RARE* Apple IIe w/ Kensington Fan *RARE* Apple II+ w/ Kensington Fan *RARE* Commodore 64 in the box *RARE*? Wang Tower (don't recall model #, and didn't find ebay listing so I am just assuming it is *RARE* :).) For those that question my use of *RARE*, obviously you have not been visiting the ebay listings and I strongly suggest you do to find out that these systems are truly *RARE* :). Along the lines of docs, I have quite a bit of Polymorphic Documentation, and while I won't sell the originals (they look to be the originals used to make copies for distribution), copies are no problem. Just let me know what you are looking for in plenty of time for me to check and make copies. I will use Kinko's to do the copies. I also have quite a bit in the way of Vector Graphic Documentation including system disks. Most of the docs look like Xerox copies in Vector binders. I also have probably about 100 Polymorphic S-100 cards including the CPU, Floppy Disk Card, and Video Card. Most look like they have been partially assembled and most likely would be for someone who knows how to work and troubleshoot S-100 systems. I can also provide a manual with them. Lots of other stuff, but this will do for starters.

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

I'd consider $20 or so--be interesting to see what the consensus is. --Mike

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4004 & 4040 Datasheets

by phil＠ultimate.com

> They come from the 1976 Inelco Databook. In future I may also place the > 8080 and the 8008 datasheets here > http://xgistor.ath.cx/files I get redirected to http://reptile.thuis.noordwijk/files/ which doesn't exist! -phil

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PDP 11/23 Available

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

I just got a call from a gentleman I spoke to some time back who works at a public television station. They have two PDP 11/23 CPU cards in chassis, plus a full set of peripheral cards (not sure of details), and two RL02 drives, probably with several disk packs. This is basically one operational system plus a spare CPU and chassis. They would like to get them out of there sometime this week. If you're interested, let me know and I'll get you in touch with the right person. Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf computer simulator!

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Apple Recall of powerbooks

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 21, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > Not ten year old yet but urgent... > > Seens like Apple is actively trying to eradicate the powerbooks 5300 and > > 190. > > What CPU does the 5300/190 have in it? What were the issues? My 5300c has a PPC603e/100. It has no issues that I'm aware of. Not sure what others have experienced. -Dave McGuire

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated Mon, 21 Aug 2000 1:26:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> writes: << > Anybody in the SF bay area who would like some PCJrs? PS/2s? Don't make > me bring a big pile of stuff to VCF! I have a copy of the original King's Quest here that's dying for a PCjr to run on, but I don't know too much about them to be a good PCjr shepherd. -- ------- I wouldnt mind another pcjr if it was the standard model. the enhanced model had the disk drive, and the standard model only had 64k and the two cart ports. I've got a good stash of pcjr stuff myself, including one equipped with a hard drive and 640k.

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A Call for Exhibitor's at VCF 4.0!

by vcf＠siconic.com

If you are planning to exhibit at VCF 4.0, now is the time to register! There's only a little over a month left to plan your exhibit. Please register at the following address: http://www.vintage.org/2000/exhibit.html Exhibitors receive a free special edition Exhibitor t-shirt with their paid admission. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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PDP 11/23 Available

by Anthony.Eros＠compaq.com

I'm guessing from the original poster's address that it may be somewhere in Nebraska... > ---------- > From: John Foust[SMTP:jfoust@threedee.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 12:22 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: PDP 11/23 Available > > At 10:14 AM 8/21/00 -0500, Bill Richman wrote: > >I just got a call from a gentleman I spoke to some time back who works > >at a public television station. > > Location, location, location! > > - John >

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum Pictures

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 11:38 AM 8/21/00 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: >The development OS was called either "REO" or "RIO", IIRC. I used to >work for a firm that had one plus all the docs. They're still in >business, they may still have the stuff. I'll check when I can. I've got a similar paint-scheme but different box Zilog MCZ Z-80 development system, and it runs RIO. - John

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sad auction story

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>> >> What a stupid concept! >> > >> >Almost as stupid as sending a check, ... or a money order, ... or a >> >cashiers check. Hey, why buy anything since there are always risks >> >involved. >> >> Yes, but unlike paypal, you can still dispute a payment using the >> other methods and still be able to use them. What paypal does with >> that requirement is remove any recourse a person has... > > Paypal is a means of payment just like a money order or cashiers check. It > is not in the business of arbitration. The means of payment is separate from > the transaction itself ... as it should be. This type of transaction gone > bad is probably something Yahoo should get involved with. If you mail off a > check to someone and it appears that fraud is involved, you don't really > think the bank will get involved do you? On the contrary, if I say to the bank, "I think that cheque number 1203 was cashed fraudulently", I expect them to dig out the cheque and find out what account it was paid into, and if it is not in the name of the person I wrote on the cheque, to find out by whose signature it was endorsed, and help me determine whether the payee really was the person who endorsed it. Etc. This is at least equivalent to Paypal's new terms as posted by Sellam. It also covers the Paypal scam that was described earlier in this thread, even if not the Sorceror scam. The business of contesting payments on other grounds was introduced for credit cards, I think because they are so easy to misuse. I do not like the idea of a service like Paypal tayking away these additional rights (or forbidding you to exercise them, which is essentially the same thing) - on the Net, credit cards are even easier to misuse... That said, if you have been defrauded on a credit card transaction, the credit card company is jointly liable with the seller, and ought to help you recover the money. OK, that's my bit. I'll shut up now... Philip. ********************************************************************** This message and any attachments are confidential and should only be read by those to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact us, delete the message from your computer and destroy any copies. Any distribution or copying without our prior permission is prohibited. Internet communications are not always secure and therefore the PowerGen Group does not accept legal responsibility for this message. The recipient is responsible for verifying its authenticity before acting on the contents. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the PowerGen Group. Power Technology: Telephone +44 (0) 115 936 2000 Fax +44 (0) 115 936 2711 E-mail techinfo(a)powertech.co.uk www http://www.powertech.co.uk PowerGen UK plc Registered Office: 53 New Broad Street London EC2M 1SL Registered in England and Wales No: 2366970 **********************************************************************

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum Pictures

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> A few systems they asked me to find out more details on: > > http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-008F.JPG > > "Zilog Z-80 Computer System" (or maybe it said "Development System") - > anybody know any more details about this box? The guy @ GWCW said all > he could find was references to the chip itself. The development OS was called either "REO" or "RIO", IIRC. I used to work for a firm that had one plus all the docs. They're still in business, they may still have the stuff. I'll check when I can. -dq

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum Pictures

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I just got back from the Goodwill Computerworks mentioned a couple of posts ago (its only about 1.5 miles from my house), and I took four disks full of pictures of the "Museum" with my FD-51 Mavica digital cam. Not the GREATEST pics (they're only 640x480), but you can see whats there. They wont sell the EL94 to me for any price; I offered them $1K cash on the spot. 8-( So, my search goes on. The Cray: http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-001F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-002F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-003F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-004F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-005F.JPG Unfortunately, the front cover plate wasnt donated with the machine, what they got was what you see here. A few systems they asked me to find out more details on: http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-008F.JPG "Zilog Z-80 Computer System" (or maybe it said "Development System") - anybody know any more details about this box? The guy @ GWCW said all he could find was references to the chip itself. http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-013F.JPG and http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-014F.JPG System labeled "ibex" ? They've got 2 or 3 of these, a couple still in the original boxes. The other coolest thing I saw (other than the Cray): http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk2/MVC-027F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk2/MVC-028F.JPG A Sega Saturn *development system*. Oooh. Anyway, enjoy. Bill -- +-------------------\ /-----------------+ | Bill Bradford | www.sunhelp.org | | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | www.decvax.org | | Austin, Texas USA | www.pdp11.org | +-------------------/ \-----------------+

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sad auction story AND On being ripped off AND sad auction story #2

by r.stek＠snet.net

Interestingly enough I was one of the bidders for the Sorcerer who lost out to Jim (I was on vacation and didn't have my "regular" access to eBay, etc.), so there but for the grace of God go I.... (and I only lost out by a few bucks, too!) On 8-11 I won a bid for a used HP 360lx (payment was paypal only - in retrospect, the first clue. The second was that this was an eBay newbie with 0 feedback). Since I had been monitoring the bid closely I knew I had won and did not wait for the email from eBay stating "Congrats ... contact each other, etc.") The seller's id was an obvious email address (jl_06_02(a)yahoo.com) and I went directly to paypal, found that the seller did have that email address registered with them, so I sent off the winning bid plus the requested $5 shipping. The paypal account was an "unverified" account (i.e., paypal had not yet received a bank account number for direct deposit, rather they would issue a paypal check to the account holder). As I usually do, I then verified by looking at the history that (1)indeed my credit card had been charged, and that (2) notification of payment had been sent to jl_06_02(a)yahoo.com. Fine, so far. Later the next day I received from paypal a "request for payment" from jl; the amount was just for the winning bid and did not include the $5 shipping. I figured that ol' jl hadn't read his email yet to see the confirmation from paypal that I had already paid. So I therefore replied to jl with a cut n' pasted copy of the duplicate confirmation I had received via email from paypal which stated that the amount of the bid plus $5 had been paid. I also went to paypal.com and saw his request in my account, so I cancelled it; my original payment transactions were still there. Later I received an email from jl (same email address as we had started off with) saying "What? You were supposed to pay my request." I then emailed a reply back explaining more clearly what had happened, and requesting that jl check again with paypal and he would see that the transaction had already gone through, and to get back to me if there were any problems. On 8-14 I emailed jl again, requesting an update on what had happened: did he get the money, was he shipping the package, etc. Later in the day I get a message back from the yahoo email server stating that the message could not be delivered. Now I began to get worried. I logged into yahoo and did a search for jl_06_02 - the search came back empty. I logged onto eBay into their dispute resolution section, and giving my logon and pwd and the item # (404256646 for those nosey enough to look for themselves), I was able to obtain the "real" name, address, and phone # of jl_06_02(a)yahoo.com with instructions to contact the person directly before claiming fraud. I placed a phone call to said # and eventually spoke to a nice lady who denied offering the item for bid, and stated that she indeed had just recently become an ebay member but that her email address was different, but that her street address, name (was Jxxx Lxxxxx) and phone number were correct. She also became concerned that someone was using her name and # this way, and denied being contacted by paypal. I also went back to paypal to review my history again. The first item - the charge to my credit card was still there and complete (and I also verified with my cc company that a charge had been made), but the other two transactions - the receipt of payment to jl and the cancellation of jl's request - no longer had valid links to the information. Instead I got an error message "internal server error" rather than the confirmations I had seen a day or two previously! Oh what a tangle web we weave.... I both emailed and called paypal who told me that their fraud unit would contact me. I emailed both eBay and yahoo - neither of which has responded yet (other than ebay keeping track of the dispute resolution process). I just asked yahoo to confirm that they recently had a member with that email address, though I did also explain the entire situation. I now send out a call for rank amateur speculation from the members of this list. My current theory is that someone at paypal, acting alone or in concert with someone at eBay may be trying some fraudulent scheme - that is based solely on the "internal server error" because immediately after the transaction, the information was there. Who would have a better chance of access to PayPal transactions other than someone at PayPal? Either someone at eBay or one of the real Jxxx Lxxxxx's 3 previous ebay transactions would have access to her real name, address and phone number - the same way I did. Anyone wishing to posit a more benign explanation is free to do so. (One of my favorite sayings, however, is "never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.") (BTW, I am on digest, so I won't see any responses until after the next digest unless you cc me.) Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Apple Recall of powerbooks

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > Not ten year old yet but urgent... > > Seens like Apple is actively trying to eradicate the powerbooks 5300 and > > 190. > > What CPU does the 5300/190 have in it? What were the issues? The 190 is a 68040; the 5300 is a PowerPC (601) chip. -dq

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Quite all wrong. PS/1 was the ISA-16 (AT bus) repsonse to the PS/2s lack of interest due to it's MCA bus. It was designed to be low cost and compatable. I have a PS/1 Consultant (486sx/25) here. Nice generic box not unlike the DELL 4xx series. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Charles P. Hobbs (SoCalTip) <transit(a)lerctr.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:39 PM Subject: RE: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - * > > >On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote: > >> On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Bill Dawson wrote: >> >> > Early 128K IBM PS/1 with 5.25" floppy drive and PS/1 power cube, PS1 >> > keyboard (not chicklets), separate PS/1 color monitor, 2 PS/1 joysticks, >> > and a large box of IBM software (games and educational) in the IBM >> >> I always wondered what era the IBM PS/1 is from? I've seen PS/1 machines >> but they look 90s. And I never heard of them before the PS/2, although it >> would seem logical that the PS/1 came first. What's the deal? > >PS/1 came out a bit after the PS/2, if I recall correctly. It was >a "cut-down" version of the PS/2 for home use. It lacked some things >that the PS/2 had, but I forget what. (Shades of the PCjr) >

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

To all, Please note the correction in the description of the one IBM system available below. I meant PC jr, not PS/1. Somehow, I hope this is related to a major blow I received on my head last night in an accident, which cut my scalp about 1.5 across and peeled it back about 2 inches. This would have to be in a place where I had already lost hair. If this isn't related, then it was just a stupid mistake d8^) I guess this an appropriate topic to put out the word about a fairly obscure organization in SW PA that regularly has vintage computers for sale at their Canonsburg location (and now on this list) and my relationship with them. The main organization is called The Washington City Mission, which is a Christian Homeless Rehabilitation Shelter, and they operate five "Hidden Treasures" retail stores in the local area. They also operate the Avis Arbor Women's Shelter. Drop-offs are accepted at all store locations, but they also have several box vans which are out in the community during the weekdays making pickups which are arranged by donors calling in. Quoting from their literature: "Five Hidden Treasures thrift stores in Burgettstown, Canonsburg, Donora, Washington and Waynesburg offer excellent quality used merchandise at affordable prices. Your purchase at one of our stores provides revenue for us to continue our programs. Our stores are a ministry in each community, offering free of reduced cost merchandise to those in need. Whether you are rich or poor, there is something for everyone at Hidden Treasures." I started out as a regular customer at the Canonsburg location, often finding vintage computers and equipment at very reasonable prices. Terry, the manager at the Canonsburg store, informed me they were not picking up a lot of computer equipment because they didn't have anyone to go through it and check it out. He offered me a volunteer position as their "computer man", which I accepted. In return for testing and configuring "newer" PC's for low income families and other needy persons, I get all the vintage equipment that comes in, if I want it. The word is out now, and all computer equipment is accepted. Needless to say the usual things are plentiful, Commodores, Atari's, etc., but it is great to get some systems in that are still new in the box, along with an occasional CP/M system. We will be relocating the store in the future, so I am planning a vintage computer museum section. The difference will be that everything will be available for very reasonable prices. We are also planning on selling on eBay. Right now we have several complete vintage PC systems for sale, and lots of components. If anyone on this list is interested, contact me off list with a reasonable offer, exclusive of actual shipping costs. I'm not talking anywhere near eBay prices here. Just cover the time needed to pack things for shipping and a reasonable donation. And yes, your donation is tax deductible. Shipping available via UPS Ground and USPS parcel post, USPS Priority for smaller items and if requested. Photos also available upon request. And if you can get to our store, contact me for directions and a meeting time. Current systems and components that need homes: Original IBM 5150 PC, dual floppies, 5153 CGA monitor, IBM PC keyboard and 80 column IBM printer. Great physical and working condition. Early 128K IBM PC jr with 5.25" floppy drive and PC jr power cube, PC jr keyboard (not chicklets), separate PC jr color monitor, 2 PC jr joysticks, and a large box of IBM software (games and educational) in the IBM plastic boxes, 4 are on cartridges, the rest are on floppies, all have manuals. Also includes all the original PC jr manuals and software, IBM DOS 2.X (I think 2.0 or 2.01) with slipcover binder. I can supply a list of the software titles to anyone seriously interested in this package. I also have the IBM 132 column printer that came in with all this. Great physical and working condition. Complete Apple Performa 637CD, Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor, Keyboard, Mouse. Great physical and working condition. Early NEC PC, monitor and keyboard. Details if requested. Haven't checked it out yet. IBM PC jr color monitor. (#2) Various EGA and CGA monitors. Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor (#2) Lots and lots of PC keyboards. 80 column dot matrix printers, mostly tractor feed. PC power supplies. Various PC network cards, BNC/RJ-45. I pull them all from the PC systems that come in. Other items arriving just about every day. I'm going to try to get approval for us to accept large business systems also. We have the storage in Washington, and with the large area that our trucks cover, some great stuff is bound to turn up eventually. My recent finds: Atari 130XE NIB, C-128 NIB, Commodore 1526 LQ printer, NIB, lots of accessories, and boxes and boxes of manuals and diskettes. If there is interest within this group, more posts will follow and nothing much will end up on eBay. And remember, this endeavor supports a very worthy cause. Bill -> This is a "GOODWILL COMPUTERWORKS". A dedicated computer store. -> -> *ALL THEY SELL* is computers. All the computers donated to Goodwill across -> the state are trucked here, where if possible, they're reassembled into -> working boxes/parts (in the case of PCs), tested, and put out on the -> shelves for people to buy. 99% of the people coming in are looking for -> a PC, Mac, parts for same, or a printer or keyboard, etc; they've just -> recently opened up the "back room" with the old vintage stuff. -> -> People that go to the store *are* interested in the museum; they've -> been doing it to a limited extent for the past 2-3 years (as long as -> I've been going to the store), but have just recently gotten the room -> to expand it. -> -> When I spoke to one of the employees yesterday, he said that they get -> offered TONS more stuff that they simply dont have room for, but would -> love to take. I'm trying to work with them to establish another mailing -> list of collectors for this stuff - so that if GWCW gets offered a piece -> of hardware that they dont have the room for, the people on the list can -> then take a shot at it. -> -> If you want the "normal" GoodWill store, where you can buy clothing, -> coffee pots, old furnitre, etc, the newly expanded and remodeled store -> is about a half mile up the street.

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4004 & 4040 Datasheets

by sipke＠wxs.nl

A few month ago a promised to make a scan of the INTEL 4004 and 4040 datasheets aviable to the mebers of this list. I now have a place to put these files so take a look if you are so inclined. They come from the 1976 Inelco Databook. In future I may also place the 8080 and the 8008 datasheets here http://xgistor.ath.cx/files I e-mailed some guy at Intel and he told me that placing these scans would not infringe any copyright because Intel provided the information to dealers with the intent of publishing it in their publications. Anyway they'll be aviable until sombody legal asks me to pull them from this site Sipke de Wal

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PayPal's New Fraud Protection Policy (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

I thought I'd forward this along since it explains PayPal's policies and is timely. It doesn't address Jim's dilemma, but it's worth a read. It has some HTML so beware. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 20 Aug 2000 08:01:27 -0000 From: PayPal Business Account Verification <busacctverification(a)x.com> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: PayPal's New Fraud Protection Policy Dear Business Account User, Businesses who use X.com's PayPal service have asked us to clarify our new fraud protections. These safeguards were introduced last week to increase the confidence of both buyers and sellers in our payments network. We'd like to take a moment to describe these protections. Buyer Protection Guarantee For online commerce to thrive, buyers must feel safe and secure purchasing from sellers they don't know. X.com's new Buyer Protection Guarantee protects buyers who pay for goods that were never shipped. In such cases, sellers are required by law to refund the purchase. However, if the seller turns out to be fraudulent, there is often no remedy. Recent cases on eBay have demonstrated this unfortunate problem. X.com's new Buyer Protection Guarantee is simple: if a buyer pays a seller who has been Verified by X.com, then we will guarantee the buyer's money back in case the seller turns out to be fraudulent. This Guarantee is like free insurance for buyers, and will make it much more attractive for buyers to pay Verified sellers with PayPal. The verification status of any seller appears on the confirmation page before the buyer completes payment. So if you have not yet verified your account, please read how below. "Verified by X.com" is an online seal of approval that will help your business. Seller Protection Guarantee X.com also wants to protect our sellers against fraud. As you know, we have never imposed charge backs due to fraud on sellers. This is our Seller Protection Guarantee. We plan to continue this policy. However, in order for us to absorb this major source of risk and expense, we need our sellers to play by a few simple rules. Here they are: * First, starting on August 23, 2000, sellers must be Verified in order to qualify for the Seller Protection Guarantee. There is no other way for us to protect ourselves, buyers, and other PayPal users if we cannot verify the identity of sellers. This is fundamental to the integrity of our payments system. Please see below for details on how to verify your account and why we consider this process necessary. * Second, please retain reasonable proof-of-shipping. Preferably, this proof would come from a shipping service that includes date of shipment, shipping address, and a description of the merchandise whenever possible. * Third, please accept payment from only one PayPal account per purchase - do not accept multiple payments for a single item. (Payments to Business and Premier Accounts do not count against a buyer's $2,000 credit card limit, so you should always be able to sell high-dollar goods while accepting payment from one account.) * Fourth, please do not ship internationally, until X.com releases international payments (coming soon) and a list of approved countries. In addition, we are working on Seller Protection Tools that will tell sellers whether buyers are Verified and whether the buyers' requested shipping address matches their credit card billing address. Once these tools are launched (in about a month), we will be adding a fifth rule: * Only ship Unverified buyers' purchases to their credit card billing address. If the buyer is Verified, you may ship to any address. We will notify you before this rule goes into effect. As long as you abide by these rules, X.com guarantees that you will always be protected against charge backs due to fraud. How to Become "Verified" To verify your PayPal account, simply register and confirm a bank account. Just log in to www.X.com, and look for the "Add Bank Account" link in the How to Activate Your Account box. You will be able to confirm your bank account by completing a simple online process. The instructions are on the website. Why do we ask users to confirm ownership of a bank account? Because banks and other financial institutions are required by law to screen account holders. By proving ownership of a bank account, you demonstrate that you have passed this screening process and have verified your identity. In turn, this lowers our company's financial risk and allows us to guarantee you. * Please be sure to encourage all of the users you refer to PayPal to become Verified, too. As of August 23, 2000, new users will generate $5 referral bonuses for the person who referred them only when they become Verified. Keeping Your Money Safe Whenever your bank account is involved, you may be concerned about safety and security. So are we. Please rest assured that X.com will never, ever transfer money from your bank account without your permission. Regardless of any charge back decision, X.com will never transfer money out of your bank account without your explicit consent. In addition, X.com protects every account with up to $100,000 of free insurance against unauthorized transactions. And since our encryption is the safest on the Web, your financial information is completely secure. Your bank account will always remain 100% protected with X.com. * * * * * * * * * * X.com is committed to making online payments safe for both buyers and sellers, and we think that our new fraud protections help to accomplish this goal. This should encourage the growth of both the X.com payments network and your online business. Thank you for using X.com's PayPal service, the fastest and safest way to send and receive money online. Sincerely, The X.com Team www.x.com -- This email is an account status notification regarding your account with X.com's PayPal service. As a financial services company, it is occasionally necessary for X.com to email our users regarding their account status or changes in our policies. However, promotional materials from X.com will only be sent to you if you have checked the "Promotional Notifications" box on the "Preferences" page in your online user profile. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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SCSI 9-trackers available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I've just put up two SCSI 9-track tape drives (front autoloaders) on Haggle under 'Drives.' The first one is a SCSI-SE M4 Data 9914 at: http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=202390084 The second is a SCSI-DIFF interface HP 88780 (Tandem 5190 badged) at: http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=202390090 The 9914 is known to be working, if a bit dinged cosmetically. The 88780 is unknown condition at this time, but it was pulled out of a working system. I may be able to do a basic power-on test for it in the near future. FWIW, the M4 drive is still a current/supported product. The 88780 may or may not be. I'm -really- reluctant to ship these because of size/weight. With either unit, you'd be looking at shipping costs of around $170 ($100 for a custom box, another $70 or so for ground shipping and insurance). So, unless you're not local to the area and are REALLY desperate for a SCSI 9-tracker, I'd prefer local pickup. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 18, Bill Bradford wrote: > On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 09:06:04PM -0600, Reuben Reyes wrote: > > If you are ever in Austin Texas you may want to check this out. > > RR > > I'll be taking pictures of it tomorrow with my digital camera. > > I want their EL94. 8-) That kinda bothers me...Sure, an EL is no spring chicken, but it's still quite a useful (and easily runnable) machine. It shouldn't be rotting away in a museum. 1s and XMPs should be in museums...not ELs. Grr. -Dave McGuire ...with an EL94 on the way

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Looking for Cray EL92/94/J90

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I'm looking for a small air-cooled Cray system to complete my collection - anybody know where I can find an EL92, EL94, or J90? (a local place has an EL94 in their "not for sale - museum", and they wont sell it at any price.. 8-( ) Bill -- +-------------------\ /-----------------+ | Bill Bradford | www.sunhelp.org | | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | www.decvax.org | | Austin, Texas USA | www.pdp11.org | +-------------------/ \-----------------+

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