- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I vote for greasy burgers and Pepsi I seem to remember writing lots of code and punching lots of cards late at night or early in the morning fueled by a couple of 2 liter bottle of Pepsi and many Jack-in-the-Box burgers. The only problem was when I finally went to bed I was unable to sleep and ran/walked through my code several more times. My father, the doctor, finally diagnosed the problem as way too much sugar and caffeine. I have heard that 1 or 2 dozen White Castle burgers is another substitute. Now 20 years later I've given up the Pepsi to prevent the ulcer. Mike Old Code Dog

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Nuclear Data Cards

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Umm the only nuclear data cards I've seen date to the late 60's and there is no way in hell they would ever go in an LSI-11... I've wondered if the ones I've seen are from their clone of the PDP-8 but I dunno, guess they'll just stay the scrapper (the ones I know of that is). Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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Article copy - PE November 1981

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Does anyone have this issue of Popular Electronics? I'm looking for Part 3 of a series by Randy Carlstrom titled "Designing with the 8080 Microprocessor". Parts 1 and 2 appeared in the 9/81 and 10/81 issues of PE, respectively. If someone can scan this for me, I'd be most greatful. Contact me at home (rcini(a)msn.com) Thanks again. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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Stuff Available

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Oops! didn't mean to post that to the list... > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:52 AM > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: RE: Stuff Available > > > > EXABYTE 8200 WITH PERTEC INTERFACE: That's right, > folks. This one's > a real > > head-scratcher. It's an 8200 in a custom enclosure made by > Contemporary > > Cybernetics of VA. (out of business now, I think) around > 1990. It contains > > a Pertec-to-SE/SCSI bridge board, and it also has a nice two-line > > alphanumeric display to let you know what the drive's doing. Native > > capacity would be 2.3 gigs. > > > > Condition: Seems to work, at least through basic > power-up. I don't > have a > > system set up with a Pertec controller at the moment, so I > can't test it > > fully. However, I have cleaned the heads, and the drive > itself seems to be > > fine with loading a tape. Asking $20/offer? > > I'd go for this; I could pay a week from Friday (things are > tight right > now). > > let me know... -dq > >

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> EXABYTE 8200 WITH PERTEC INTERFACE: That's right, folks. This one's a real > head-scratcher. It's an 8200 in a custom enclosure made by Contemporary > Cybernetics of VA. (out of business now, I think) around 1990. It contains > a Pertec-to-SE/SCSI bridge board, and it also has a nice two-line > alphanumeric display to let you know what the drive's doing. Native > capacity would be 2.3 gigs. > > Condition: Seems to work, at least through basic power-up. I don't have a > system set up with a Pertec controller at the moment, so I can't test it > fully. However, I have cleaned the heads, and the drive itself seems to be > fine with loading a tape. Asking $20/offer? I'd go for this; I could pay a week from Friday (things are tight right now). let me know... -dq

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Those are similar tot he round mouse (Hawley) that were used for the early > VAXstations. Those were not PC compatable. I've never seen > a mouse on a z80 system (most didn't ahve graphics). At a local electronics trade school where I worked (as a programmer and teaching digital briefly), we had a bunch of Televideo TS-803 Z-80 based CP/M workstations; each had a mouse port, we bought only one mouse tho; it was an early Mouse Systems unit, optical, but requiring the dedicated optical mouse pad. Worked quite nicely, tho, and I wrote a rudimentary drawing program for it to create graphic objects for the computer-based simluation of our digital trainer/breadboard systems. Graphics capability was 640 x 280, kinda thin vertically, but the ROMs had line types, fill types, etc. -doug q

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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Plus someone would have to PACK it all! > -----Original Message----- > From: Hans Franke [mailto:Hans.Franke@mch20.sbs.de] > Sent: 31 August 2000 10:34 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: large collection of vintage machines on ebay > > > > > Actually, if I'd had $5K spare and the means of getting it > all from the US > > I'd have bid - there aren't many machines in that > collection I *have* got! > > well, you have to add 2-3K USD for shiping... > hans > > -- > VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen > http://www.vintage.org/vcfe > http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe >

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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Actually, if I'd had $5K spare and the means of getting it all from the US I'd have bid - there aren't many machines in that collection I *have* got! a > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Ford [mailto:mikeford@socal.rr.com] > Sent: 29 August 2000 20:56 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: large collection of vintage machines on ebay > > > >Obviously nobody thinks it's worth $5K! > > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=419928107 > >> > > Perhaps for obvious reasons, it is a LARGE mixed batch, which > almost nobody > could be expected to want all of. Lotting items together like that is > throwing money away for the sellers convenience, and greatly > reduces the > bid value. Then with the first bid at $5k, even if it might > sell for that, > greatly reduces the chances of getting a first bid. > >

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asgnpart.com

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

In einer eMail vom 8/28/100 5:12:06PM, schreibt Marvin: << Jgzabol(a)aol.com wrote: > > Hello, > > would anyone know where I could find the MS-DOS progam asgnpart.com, > which was part of some of the versions 3.x and 4.x, but not of all these > versions. This is a new one on me; what does it do and is the spelling correct? >> Hi Marvin, asgnpart 2:D assigns drive letter D to the second partition on the hard disk. The spelling is correct. There are some traces of that program in the latest instructions MS provides for installation of modern Windows systems. In that doc they state that the installation will remove these pre-MS-DOS 5.0 components, when found: ...., asgnpart.com, .... I have some drivers which might do the same, however these are for other customized MS-DOS versions, and therefore neither original nor sure to work. What I would like to obtain is the asgnpart.com. Thanks and regards John G. Zabolitzky

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Recognize a mystery Nixdorf machine ?

by jate＠uwasa.fi

Hello all! First one to recognize this mystery Nixdorf computer gets ten points and a papukaijamerkki. Any additional information would be appreciated! http://www.tec.puv.fi/~s99137/nixdorf.html I've had it lying around for many years now and I'd finally like to know what the heck it is:) (besides being a computer, that is) TIA, -- Jarkko Teppo jate(a)uwasa.fi

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Stuff Available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I'm having trouble moving around in the garage, and finding places for all the stuff I've gathered. I think it's time I moved some of it, especially considering that my interest in radio is growing faster than my interest in computers. FOR STARTERS: Please consider the following to be available. LOCAL PICKUP ONLY as most items are large and heavy. I'm in Kent, WA, southeast of Seattle. SMS-1000 PDP-11/73 clone. In great shape, with full tech manual (including schematics). I may even be able to find a pair of mating rack slides to go with it. Boots up, was fully operable when pulled from a working system two years ago, in (protected) storage with me since. $40/or best offer? High? Low? Insane? HP 7586B 8-PEN DRAFTING PLOTTER: Beautifully made high-precision device. Fully operational, if a bit noisy when drawing. Has both serial (RS232) and HPIB interfaces. Used to be my primary unit until I acquired my HP DraftMaster SX+ today. ;-) I think I may have a partial copy of the 7586's op/service manual. Such is no longer available from HP. I'd like to get some kind of cash for this since it's still in great shape. Shall we start at $50/or best offer? High? Low? Somewhere in the middle? BIG SCSI RAID CABINET: This is a retiree from a Tandem/AT&T system. Has a whole bunch of Seagate 'Wren' series 1.2 gig single-ended SCSI drives in their own carriers. The cabinet itself is beautifully made, heavily EMI-shielded, and has its own built-in battery backup supply. Here's the kicker: Even though I re-strapped both AC power supplies for 120VAC operation (it was set for 240), I can't seem to get the silly thing to do more than light the green 'OK' LEDs on the power supplies. The drives don't spin up, so I'm thinking some sort of control signal is required that I don't have a clue how to apply. This one's a bargain at $10.00. But you've gotta cart it out of here! Best done by removing all the plug-innable stuff. The cabinet then becomes light enough for one husky person to move reasonably well. EXABYTE 8200 WITH PERTEC INTERFACE: That's right, folks. This one's a real head-scratcher. It's an 8200 in a custom enclosure made by Contemporary Cybernetics of VA. (out of business now, I think) around 1990. It contains a Pertec-to-SE/SCSI bridge board, and it also has a nice two-line alphanumeric display to let you know what the drive's doing. Native capacity would be 2.3 gigs. Condition: Seems to work, at least through basic power-up. I don't have a system set up with a Pertec controller at the moment, so I can't test it fully. However, I have cleaned the heads, and the drive itself seems to be fine with loading a tape. Asking $20/offer? NOTE: You'll need a pickup truck or cargo van to haul the plotter. I would really not recommend carrying it lying down... it was meant to travel standing on its (well-castered) legs. I WILL BE SELLING AT THE RADIO CLUB OF TACOMA SWAP MEET on Sep. 9th. E-mail me if you'd like location information for such. Thanks for looking at least. ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Nuclear Data Cards

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Does anyone collect Nuclear Data Cards. They go in a LSI 11/03 system. My scrapper got some in. If anyone is interested I could post the numbers. There are a few LSI-11 cards too. Paxton Portland, Oregon

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Brochure re: CSG liquidation

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

GMT Microelectronics. http://www.gmtme.com What do I win?? ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Paul Braun [mailto:nerdware@laidbak.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:01 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Brochure re: CSG liquidation A little C= trivia on the subject -- after C= went belly-up and the plant was vacated, what then-fledgling but now-very famous and extremely successful company bought the Westchester facility to start it's empire? Paul > > I don't know if anyone saw this on comp.sys.cbm, but it's an > > interesting brochure. It's the auction notice brochure from 1994 for the > > Commodore Semiconductor Group. I work for the asset-based financing > > division of the sixth-largest bank in the US, and we've used Ross-Dove > > for our auctions and liquidations. It's a nice brochure with detailed > > pictures. > > > > Sad, none the less, but a great brochure. > > > > http://archive.dovebid.com/company/archive/commodore.htm > > Yeah, I downloaded all the images. Very informative and a rare look into > what MOS Technology became. > > -- > ----------------------------- personal page: > http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * > ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu > -- Wagner's music is better than it sounds. -- Mark Twain > --------------------- > Paul Braun WD9GCO Cygnus Productions nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com

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VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>But slow is the idea believe it or not :^) The idea is to have it slow >enough that any improvements are noticable, so I'll start with 5MB, and bump >it up to 9MB if that's to bad. Part of the idea is also to have DECwindows >running so I'll be giving fixing the VR260 a try. I'd been running this >system without the VR260 using a terminal because I didn't have space for the >monitor, would't you know it now that I do... 5mb is more reasonable. At 4mb doing a help screen is going to age you as it swaps itself dizzy. If memory serves the resident portion of VMS5.5 is around 3800 blocks and in 5mb there is at least a meg of loose space. I have two MVIIs so I know what your doing and how slow slow is. An aside for tuning, since the system swaps a fair amount (worse at minimal ram) a second disk with the PRIMARY page and swap files on it makes a huge difference. this is more effective if the second disk has it's own controller. A good drive for swap/page files is a RD52 (quantum D540) as it's fast and easily found (and run forever). Of course space and power for that dictates a BA123. The #2 MVII is a ba23 with CMD SCSI for the main drives and one lonesome RD52 on RQDX3 for standalone backup and page/swap files. Another trick is running VMStailor(remove unated stuff and libraries) and then doing an image backup and restore (defrag the disk). >Besides for fast I've got the PWS433au w/320MB RAM running V7.2 :^) That would be a tad faster. ;) Allison

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Semi-OT: Soldering Iron recommendations

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> wrote: > Well I got the EC2002... > 1) Readout display... > 2) Replacable wands *and* tips. > For me at least this has been a really great piece of gear. I got two of these when Software Results closed. I had to repair both of them last year (one was already dead when I got it, the other dies later). Another vote for such equipment - it's possible to get replacement parts. One had a bad thermal sensor, the other had a bad heating element (but the two units were of different revisions, so the parts weren't exactly interchangable). It cost a few bucks, but lots less than replacements. Well built gear that's maintainable. Great units if you can find them. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Run with 8mb, at 4mb it's going to be slow! If the VR260 is out use a terminal line, you can still run DECwindows later (or not). Allison -----Original Message----- From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:11 PM Subject: Re: VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements >> V5.x wants 4mb minimum to run. It can be tricked into three >> but dont try. I'd run just the 8mb board if backplane space is an issue as >> that is a comfortable config for 5.5. FYI: more memory helps only a tiny >> bit unless the machine is fairly loaded with users/apps. >> >> Allison > >Since it's a II/RC backplane space is an issue :^) Thanks for the info. >I'll probably try it with a 4MB board as I'm trying to run with as minimal >of a configuration as possible so I can play with system tuning on this >system. Of course all this depends on getting the VR260 back up and >running. > > Zane >

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Semi-OT: EPROM/PROM/PAL/.. programmer recommendations

by dburrows＠netpath.net

I use the Advantech Labtool 48. So far it has done everything I have asked of it. http://www.generaldevice.com/ He also gets various used ones in. Dan -----Original Message----- From: emanuel stiebler <emu(a)ecubics.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 2:35 PM Subject: Semi-OT: EPROM/PROM/PAL/.. programmer recommendations Hi, Because we are a little OT anyway, I like to take the chance and ask ;-) What is the " best" programmer, one can buy this days ? I like to program the old (2716, ...) and the new stuff. (EPROM/PALs/FLASH/...) cheers & thanks, emanuel

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Digging in a huge tangle of wires today I found an odd looking Honeywell > mouse. Instead of a ball, it has two wheels on the bottom angled so that > one turns on x axis and the other y axis movements. Otherwise it looks like > an old PC serial mouse, is it? Dunno, but Doug Englebart's original rodentia were made in this fashion... -dq

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Those are similar tot he round mouse (Hawley) that were used for the early VAXstations. Those were not PC compatable. I've never seen a mouse on a z80 system (most didn't ahve graphics). Allison -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Odd Honeywell Mouse >On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Mike Ford wrote: > >> Digging in a huge tangle of wires today I found an odd looking Honeywell >> mouse. Instead of a ball, it has two wheels on the bottom angled so that >> one turns on x axis and the other y axis movements. Otherwise it looks like >> an old PC serial mouse, is it? > >I have a no-name, most-likely prototype mouse like this that I got with >an early-80s CP/M machine. > >Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger >------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ >Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 > San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California > See http://www.vintage.org for details! > >

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VCF Requests

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Nah... too modern! Coke and cold (leftover) pizza. A true > > > hacker classic! > > > > Add some twinkies for that extra 'get yer morning > started' boost. B^} > > > Ahhh... The four basic food groups: > > The Hostess group > ???? The Hostess Group include Twinkies, SnoBalls, Cupcakes, etc... Twinkies are an oblong angel-food cake filled with sugary cream. And for some strange reason, they are available in both a regular form, and "low-fat" form. hth, -dq > > > The Coca Cola group > > The Pizza group > > The Chinese group > > H. > > -- > VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen > http://www.vintage.org/vcfe > http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe >

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VCF Requests

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > The Hostess Group include Twinkies, SnoBalls, Cupcakes, > > > etc... Twinkies are an oblong angel-food cake filled with sugary cream. > > > And for some strange reason, they are available in both a > > > regular form, and "low-fat" form. > > > > Is it true that the Twinkie filling with the multi-millenial shelf life is > > really an edible^H^H^H^H^H^H non-toxic form of WD-40? > > I dunno, but my ballbearings run so much better after I wedge > the cakes in. I really had to restrain myself from posting the reply I wanted to... but this is a *family* list, isn't it? 8D

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PDP-11 Equipment in Vancouver

by mark＠cs.ualberta.ca

I got a fax this week from the Greater Vancouver Regional District with a rather interesting batch of PDP11 equipment they are trying to sell. The bids close on Sept 1, and its as-is, where-is. I have the complete list of equipment, it includes: PDP 11/84 PDP 11/44 2 RA81 2 RA80 3 RL02 TU80 LA120 LA100 30 RL02 disks etc They have decided to split up the batch, so you can bid on each unit separately. If there is anyone on the list interested, we would need to find someone in Vancouver (or close by) who could organize the pickup. I can provide more information to anyone who is interested.

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VCF Requests

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Ahhh... The four basic food groups: > > > The Hostess group > > ???? > > Don't you have Twinkies and Ding-Dongs in Germany? You know, Here in Louisville, KY area (and further south I'm told), they quit calling those things "Ding Dongs" due to the jokes. Here, they're "King Don's" Go figure. -dq

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220v and PDP 11 cards

by g＠kurico.com

This is for those folks out there that have the big iron, specifically, anything that uses 220v. If your machine is at home, and assuming you don't have a seperate dedicated 220v line, what are you using to power your machines? Do you tap into the oven/washer outlet? Just how high did your electric bill increase by? Any other suggestions? I recently picked up a box full of PDP 11 cards. Is there a site that actually describes what the cards do (vs simply a terse description of what the card is e.g. DR 11-C Interface). There were also some blue cards from a company called MDB (DR11C, 11W?, MLSI DRV11C, etc). What type of boards were these? And lastly. Several of the above boards are in sad shape. They were left outside so now there pretty dirty (as in literally having dirt crusted on them, along with leaves and dead/dried critters), any suggestions on how to clean them up without ruining them. Thanks George

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DEC VR260 Monitor Problem

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, maybe it doesn't matter how much RAM V5.5 takes, I'm starting to think that the VR260 is either sick or dead. Anyone have any suggestions for dealing with one? The only indication of output is on the middel 2/5th's of the screen, there is a strip across it. Playing with brightness and contrast doesn't seem to help any. More disturbing disconnecting the video cable doesn't seem to cause any change either. The only thing I'm sure about is that the VCB01, cable and VR260 all worked when I stuck them in storaage about 3 years ago. Anyone have any suggestions of things to look at? Zane

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VCF Requests

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 06:21 PM 8/29/00, you wrote: > > > > Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon. Mr. Pibb even better. > > Classic Coke and Cherry Coke... In grand quantities! > >Doesn't anyone drink Jolt anymore? Nah... too modern! Coke and cold (leftover) pizza. A true hacker classic! Add some twinkies for that extra 'get yer morning started' boost. B^} -jim --- jimw(a)computergarage.org The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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220v and PDP 11 cards

by dburrows＠netpath.net

Subject: 220v and PDP 11 cards >This is for those folks out there that have the big iron, specifically, >anything that uses 220v. If your machine is at home, and >assuming you don't have a seperate dedicated 220v line, what are >you using to power your machines? Do you tap into the >oven/washer outlet? Just how high did your electric bill increase >by? Any other suggestions? For all of the PDP11 chassis I can think of off hand they can be configured for 120 or 240 volt. I frequently run multiple PDP11 test systems in the office. I did cheat and dropped a 100A panel behind the racks. This was cheaper and easier than running numerous 30A drops with L5-30 twistlocks. One thing you will need to figure on is air conditioning load. It is amazing how much heat they can generate. This will vary widely on what system and disks you have. Warning RA8x drives generate a LOT of heat and suck a lot of power. Caveat. I support a fair number of commercial end users. My office is supplied with a 200A service subfed off the house 400A service. >DRV11C, etc). What type of boards were these? You need to find one of the PDP11 interfaces manuals. There were several and what they covered varied with dates published and Unibus vs. Qbus. My stock of these currently is low. I have given several spare copies to various list members. Dan

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PDP-11 Equipment in Vancouver

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

DO they have any non-DEC minicomputers? Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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VCF Requests

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

When shopping for Twinkies, look for the boxes that are labelled "No PCB's" Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Real quickie answer... V5.x wants 4mb minimum to run. It can be tricked into three but dont try. I'd run just the 8mb board if backplane space is an issue as that is a comfortable config for 5.5. FYI: more memory helps only a tiny bit unless the machine is fairly loaded with users/apps. Allison ------Original Message------ From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent: August 30, 2000 3:33:29 AM GMT Subject: VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements OK, this falls in the stupid question catagory. What are the minimum memory requirements for VMS V5.5? I'm in the process of resurecting my VAXstation II/RC and would for some idiotic reason like to leave it in the original configuration except for the HD (dead RD53). I just got done stuffing the VCB01 back in and noticed that what I thought was a 8MB RAM board is only a 2MB RAM board. Now here is the idiotic part, I'm threatening to run it in a 3MB RAM configuration, despite having some 4MB and 8MB RAM boards. As a result I'm wondering what VMS V5.5's RAM requirements are. Unfortunatly I've not got much in the line of V5.5 doc's so can't look it up. Zane __________________________________________________________________ Get Verizon Online DSL for $39.95 and get 30 days of free service! http://www.bellatlantic.net/promos/p2banet.html

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OT: Philips "Easy-Connect" modem

by richard＠idcomm.com

I know this isn't what we're here to discuss, but I was wondering if anybody uses or has experience with a Philips 56K-flex "EasyConnect" modem. The woman who lives next-door to my Mom, and has for the past 40+ years is a virtual shut-in due to her dependence on oxygen due to her advanced emphysema from years of smoking, an her computer is an important source of outlet and outside-world contact for her. I recently replaced her hard-disk for her, having installed this entire system, bit-by-bit, over a number of years, and it has worked remarkably well until recently. I installed her hard disk and reinstalled the Windows95 (no update to '98 because the OSR-2 version of '95 worked so satisfactorily for her) and everything works beautifully EXCEPT the MODEM. This model is a Plug-N-Play modem, and slid in effortlessly when I first set it up for her, but her motherboard is not a plug-n-play type of board. It doesn't attempt to go out and manipulate the devices that are out there in order to configure the interrupts and port locations. I'm curious whether anyone has had to solve this sort of problem before and has a solution. I've tried everything I could think of and have had no luck at all. Any reasonable suggestions are welcome. thanks, Dick

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trs-80, tcp-ip

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Was there ever a tcp-ip stack that ran on a TRS-80 model 100? If so, does > anyone know where to get such a thing? Man, I get the wierdest questions... If anyone has one, it'd be the Packet software originally written by Keith Petersen (and added to by hosts of others). hth, -dq

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OT: Philips "Easy-Connect" modem

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

There is a register at x260h I think that is used to identify and control P&P devices like that. It has to go somewhere of even a true P&P board would never find it. The AMD5x86 is pretty decent but not a pentium, it's a low volatage faster 486dx/100 with bigger internal cache. I have a few here and they are solid machines. As to P&P, I have two dell 425sx boxen than run w95 just fine (nt or linux better!) and never had trouble with any of the better P&P modems and Eithercards I use despite the BIOS being totally P&P ignorant. There are such things as junk cards or worse lost media/docs needed to use them. Allison ------Original Message------ From: "Richard Erlacher" <richard(a)idcomm.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent: August 30, 2000 3:29:46 AM GMT Subject: Re: OT: Philips "Easy-Connect" modem It happens that this particular modem is the only remaining plug-n-pray card and, while most of these critters have some sort of driver that makes them assume some identity, this particular one doesn't. It does have a flash utility, but even that can't find the thing. Nonetheless, when I put the modem in a plug-n-play system it identifies itself, but the system can't find it sufficiently to identify it enough to install it. The install routine, unlike most, requires that one proceed only after the OS has announced recognition of the modem, at which point you're supposed to use the CD that comes with the modem. Unfortunately, though I've never had to use it before, it doesn't work to do the install now, because it can't find where the modem is. This system has been almost totally trouble-free, with the exception that, since the little old lady that uses it for web surfing and email hasn't learned how to avoid accumulating junk from the web, her disk space has gotten so low that the printer driver won't work any longer, so we replaced here 545 MB drive with a 13.6 GB one. Installing that was somewhat of a pain, but now that it's in place, it works great. If only one could get a modem that wasn't plug and play and didn't require a 22 GHz pentium to make it work. This box has a 160 MHz 5x86, which is just a sort-of Pentium-compatible '486. I've got dozens of these "out there" among the pro-bono clientele I've accumulated over the years and even though they're not the latest, fastest, etc, you'll have trouble prying the users' cold-dead fingers from around them. They really like them. I've found 300 MHz Pentium-equipped motherboards for $40 and not one of these folks wanted to swap 'em. These old things still have a couple of VLB slots along with a couple of ISA slots and 3 PCI. My mother has one too, and even she doesn't complain. Dick __________________________________________________________________ Get Verizon Online DSL for $39.95 and get 30 days of free service! http://www.bellatlantic.net/promos/p2banet.html

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failure notice

by BRISCH＠MN.USWEST.NET

>Return-Path: <> >Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >Received: (qmail 79455 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:45:07 -0000 >Received: from mail4.uswest.net (204.147.80.22) > by mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:45:07 -0000 >Received: (qmail 6862 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >Delivered-To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >Received: (qmail 6843 invoked for bounce); 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >Date: 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mail4.uswest.net >To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >Subject: failure notice >Status: U >X-UIDL: 967643108.79464.mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net > >Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail4.uswest.net. >I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. >This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > ><owner-classiccmp.org(a)uswest.net>: >Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) > >--- Below this line is a copy of the message. > >Return-Path: <BRISCH(a)uswest.net> >Received: (qmail 6833 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >Received: from mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.3) > by mail4.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >Received: (qmail 17513 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:44:57 -0000 >Delivered-To: fixup-owner-classiccmp.org@fixme >Received: (qmail 17508 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:44:56 -0000 >Received: from zdialup204.mpls.uswest.net (HELO sysnt4intr) (216.160.11.205) > by mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:44:56 -0000 >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:36:48 -0500 >Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000830083648.00a22c20(a)mail.mn.uswest.net> >From: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >To: owner-classiccmp.org >X-Sender: brisch(a)mail.mn.uswest.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) >Subject: classiccmp-digest V1 #356 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >remove unsubscribe stop just get me off this list > >>Return-Path: <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >>Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >>Received: (qmail 89075 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 11:46:14 -0000 >>Received: from mail9.uswest.net (204.147.80.27) >> by mail.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 11:46:14 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 76541 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 11:46:13 -0000 >>Received: from opal.tseinc.com (209.83.134.16) >> by mail9.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 11:46:13 -0000 >>Received: (from majordom@localhost) >> by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA39901 >> for classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:41:06 >-0500 (CDT) >> (envelope-from owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org) >>Errors-To: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:41:06 -0500 (CDT) >>Message-Id: <200008301141.GAA39901(a)opal.tseinc.com> >>From: "classiccmp-digest" <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >>Sender: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>To: classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>X-Authentication-Warning: opal.tseinc.com: majordom set sender to >owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org using -f >>Subject: classiccmp-digest V1 #356 >>Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >>Precedence: bulk >>Status: U >>X-UIDL: 967635975.89086.96574.mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net >> >> >>classiccmp-digest Wednesday, August 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 356 >> >> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:30:08 +0100 >>From: Adrian Graham <agraham(a)ccat.co.uk> >>Subject: RE: large collection of vintage machines on ebay >> >>They *are* taking over my computer room and garage though :) >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] >>> Sent: 26 August 2000 18:01 >>> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >>> Subject: Re: large collection of vintage machines on ebay >>> >> >> >> >>WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. >>The estimated size of this message is 96642 bytes. >>Click on the server retrieve icon above and check mail again to get the >whole thing. If the server retrieve icon is not showing, then this message >is no longer on the server. >> > >

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by BRISCH＠MN.USWEST.NET

>Return-Path: <> >Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >Received: (qmail 38788 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Received: from mail6.uswest.net (204.147.80.24) > by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Received: (qmail 4691 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Delivered-To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >Received: (qmail 4687 invoked for bounce); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Date: 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mail6.uswest.net >To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >Subject: failure notice >Status: U >X-UIDL: 967643038.38794.mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net > >Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail6.uswest.net. >I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. >This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > ><owner-classiccmp.org(a)uswest.net>: >Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) > >--- Below this line is a copy of the message. > >Return-Path: <BRISCH(a)uswest.net> >Received: (qmail 4682 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Received: from mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.3) > by mail6.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Received: (qmail 17367 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:53 -0000 >Delivered-To: fixup-owner-classiccmp.org@fixme >Received: (qmail 17362 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:52 -0000 >Received: from zdialup204.mpls.uswest.net (HELO sysnt4intr) (216.160.11.205) > by mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:43:52 -0000 >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:35:43 -0500 >Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000830083543.00a24c40(a)mail.mn.uswest.net> >From: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >To: owner-classiccmp.org >X-Sender: brisch(a)mail.mn.uswest.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) >Subject: Returned mail: User unknown >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>Return-Path: <> >>Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >>Received: (qmail 2124 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:05:03 -0000 >>Received: from mail2.uswest.net (204.147.80.18) >> by mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:05:03 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 5694 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 13:05:03 -0000 >>Received: from opal.tseinc.com (209.83.134.16) >> by mail2.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:05:03 -0000 >>Received: from localhost (localhost) >> by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with internal id IAA40788; >> Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:02 -0500 (CDT) >> (envelope-from MAILER-DAEMON) >>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:02 -0500 (CDT) >>Message-Id: <200008301305.IAA40788(a)opal.tseinc.com> >>From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <MAILER-DAEMON(a)opal.tseinc.com> >>To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Status: U >>X-UIDL: 967640704.2136.mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net >>Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; >> boundary="IAA40788.967640702/opal.tseinc.com" >>Subject: Returned mail: User unknown >>Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) >> >>The original message was received at Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:01 -0500 (CDT) >>from mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net [204.147.80.3] >> >> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >><owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >> (expanded from: <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org>) >> >> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>... while talking to jade.tseinc.com.: >>>>> RCPT To:<owner-classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest(a)jade.tseinc.com> >><<< 550 <owner-classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest(a)jade.tseinc.com>... User >unknown >>550 <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org>... User unknown >>Reporting-MTA: dns; opal.tseinc.com >>Received-From-MTA: DNS; mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net >>Arrival-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:01 -0500 (CDT) >> >>Final-Recipient: RFC822; <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >>X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; >owner-classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest(a)jade.tseinc.com >>Action: failed >>Status: 5.1.1 >>Remote-MTA: DNS; jade.tseinc.com >>Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 ><owner-classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest(a)jade.tseinc.com>... User unknown >>Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:01 -0500 (CDT) >>Return-Path: <BRISCH(a)MN.USWEST.NET> >>Received: from mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net (mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net >[204.147.80.3]) >> by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA40786 >> for <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org>; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:01 >-0500 (CDT) >> (envelope-from BRISCH(a)MN.USWEST.NET) >>From: BRISCH(a)MN.USWEST.NET >>Received: (qmail 11540 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:04:31 -0000 >>Delivered-To: fixup-owner-classiccmp-digest@classiccmp.org@fixme >>Received: (qmail 11520 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:04:30 -0000 >>Received: from dialupd148.mpls.uswest.net (HELO sysnt4intr) (207.225.143.148) >> by mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:04:30 -0000 >>Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000830075620.00aa5100(a)mail.mn.uswest.net> >>X-Sender: brisch(a)mail.mn.uswest.net >>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) >>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:56:20 -0500 >>To: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>Subject: classiccmp-digest V1 #356 >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >>remove, delete stop get me off this list >> >>>Return-Path: <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >>>Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >>>Received: (qmail 89075 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 11:46:14 -0000 >>>Received: from mail9.uswest.net (204.147.80.27) >>> by mail.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 11:46:14 -0000 >>>Received: (qmail 76541 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 11:46:13 -0000 >>>Received: from opal.tseinc.com (209.83.134.16) >>> by mail9.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 11:46:13 -0000 >>>Received: (from majordom@localhost) >>> by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA39901 >>> for classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:41:06 >>-0500 (CDT) >>> (envelope-from owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org) >>>Errors-To: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:41:06 -0500 (CDT) >>>Message-Id: <200008301141.GAA39901(a)opal.tseinc.com> >>>From: "classiccmp-digest" <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >>>Sender: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>>To: classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>>X-Authentication-Warning: opal.tseinc.com: majordom set sender to >>owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org using -f >>>Subject: classiccmp-digest V1 #356 >>>Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >>>Precedence: bulk >>>Status: U >>>X-UIDL: 967635975.89086.96574.mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net >>> >>> >>>classiccmp-digest Wednesday, August 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 356 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:30:08 +0100 >>>From: Adrian Graham <agraham(a)ccat.co.uk> >>>Subject: RE: large collection of vintage machines on ebay >>> >>>They *are* taking over my computer room and garage though :) >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] >>>> Sent: 26 August 2000 18:01 >>>> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >>>> Subject: Re: large collection of vintage machines on ebay >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. >>>The estimated size of this message is 96642 bytes. >>>Click on the server retrieve icon above and check mail again to get the >>whole thing. If the server retrieve icon is not showing, then this message >>is no longer on the server. >>> >> > >

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My Interpro 2430 Works now !

by sipke＠wxs.nl

Since about a month I am the proud owner of an Interpro 2430 with a Kryptonite C400 ClipperCPU . It's a fully working system with a 21" Colordisplay, 32Mb RAM, 400MB SCSI HD, Ethernet, Floppy and a double framebuffer. Tonight I got the beast up and running and circumvented the root password. Yoooopiiii But I have no manuals, no CD, or other valuable information. I am currently rummaging through the filesystem, but it seems to have been used as a plain user machine with some CAD-software. No development stuff! The Clipper C400 CPU is offspring from the (in)famous C100 Fairchild-Clipper. Eventually the C400 (kryptonite) was the last one made. Intergraph Corporation (Ingr.) aquired the CPU from Fairchild and after a few years that was the end of the story. AFAIK Ingr. moved to the Windows NT platform and is no longer supporting the Clipper, the hardware or CLIX (the Clipper port of UNIX). The Clipper has a nice architecture though. I have a book (and a chipset) of the C100. The book=> Clipper 32-bit Microprocessor - User Manual (from Fairchild: ISBN 0-13-138058-3 025) The Clipper is actually a chip set. One Chip contains the CPU & FPU and 2 CAMMU chips which integrate a cache and a MMU. One of the CAMMU chips serves the Instruction Queue, the other CAMMU is for data. The CPU-FPU chip has 16 32-bit User registers, 16 32-Bit Supervisor registers 8 64-Bit Floatingpoint registers, a Program and System statusword and a Programcounter The CAMMU's each contain a 4k byte 2-way associ. data or instr. cache, A quadword (16-byte) linebuffer, that acts as a fast cache-within-the-cache, and a Translation Lookaside Buffer that caches 128 freq. used virtual adress translations. Not a lot by today's standards but cleverly executed. The Clipper is rather special in that it has both RISC and CISC features. The core is RISC but complex instructions are executed in an internal macrocode. (kinda microcode of RISC primitives) Software development on the Interpro systems is cumbersome and a lot of the CLIX-features are outdated. It's also slow by today's norm You can put some version of gcc on this system but you would need the CLIX-libraries in order to execute your programs on the native Clipper. These lib's are on the CD that accompanied the system. ..... But I don't have that CD Alas, Linux or NetBSD would be nice. But Ingr is not forthcoming with the systemdetails. So any one out there that could leverage some goodwill on the side of Ingr. to part with Interpro, Clipper and CLIX secrets ........ ...... might set of the first porting attempts! Meanwhile a lot of these systems get scrapped and the Clipper heritage slowly goes into the big void of remote history. It's rather ironical that the system does not yet deserve the label of vintage computer because it is not even 10 years old. The BIOS-productiondate on my system reads 1994! So if you feel as sad about this wastefull drama as I do .... Let's unite and let us be heard of... I will address these matters on this group in the near future and may propose a mild flame towards Ingr. to persuade and petition them to put more of their Clipper material in the public domain. But first I need to learn more about these matters I personally am not capable of porting anything since I am still busy getting used to CLIX, UNIX, LINUX or whatever. Reactions please ........... Sipke de Wal

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OT: Re: VCF Soft Drink Requests

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

I'll just stick to good beer thank you. Francois Local person of nundaneness and Safety ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Looking for sex in a pile of mimes... -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: Re: OT: Re: VCF Soft Drink Requests >> > > > > > How about starting a request list of stuff we're hoping to find for >> > > > > > trade/sale/free at the VCF >> > > > > > -beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance >> > > > > > to pay up this VCF.) >> > > > > Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon. Mr. Pibb even better. >> > > > > Does canned Mr. Pibb exist *anywhere*? It seems to only exist as a >> > > > > fountain drink, at least here in So. Cal. >> > > > Well, I agree for the Beer part, but what the >> > > > heck you are talking about ? >> > > Classic Coke and Cherry Coke... In grand quantities! >> > Blasphemy. :-P >> >> Well, without the beer I'll go for the coke, but ya'll have >> to give me some private lessons about this kind of soft drinks >> (I took some of Uncle ROgers weired soft drink cans back to >> Germany (strawbery vanilla flavoured something) and got prety >> stupid reactions :) > >I think we need to introduce you to Vernors, too. > >-- >----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu >-- Philosophy will clip an angel's wings. -- John Keats -----------------------

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TI Silent 700 help

by jate＠uwasa.fi

Hello! I'm a happy owner of Silent 700. I bought this thing yesterday for 20 FIM (approx. $3) and it looks spanking new! Really nice. Anyway it's model 745 and it has an acoustic coupler and a DB15 (male) connector. I browsed through some classiccmp mails from retrobyte but I was left a bit confused. Is the 15-pin connector RS-232 or is it current loop ? (keeping my fingers crossed for RS-232!) I've also read that you can set different options via the internal jumpers, does anybody have any idea about those ? It had a loopback connector on the DB15 connected like this: 2->11 3->13 8->12 -- Jarkko "Proud and happy owner of a RetroGraphics powered ADM-3" Teppo jate(a)uwasa.fi

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OT: Philips "Easy-Connect" modem

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>I found that if I shut down and _remove_ the modem and then install windoze 95 >on a _clean_, freshly formatted disk and then shut down and re-install the >modem, _then_ the parts of w95 that need to will see the modem (remember, it's >a plug-n-pray modem that I have -like you'd said your friend's was). My m'board >is supposed to be "Plug-n-Play" but in this case there are probably subtle >things that made it mostly plug-n-pray for sure. Yes there are. To get plug and pray to reset you need to enable the reset in the bios. the next power up it will enumerate the modem. two caveats... not all winmodems (HSP) work in all systems. And if the BIOS is not P&P you may have to go into the control Pannel | system and actually tweek the driver to point at every possible address the modem can be at (less than a dozen). Usually it W95 messes up and puts the wrong stuff at the wrong IRQ and this is worse when IRQs are near all full! I know I do this EVERY day on 5x86/133 through P166 systems that are OLD. Also keep in mond that the autoprobe function of the system can and does fail to find stuff or if it has the worng IRQ/Address misidentifes it. >Although I have some experience with installing PNP hardware onto w95/98 >systems, it seems to me that while installing the w95 onto a previously >hardware configured box, the PNP majic of the system will not correctly detect >and install the PNP hardware into the new system. Maybe this is old hat to some >of you that had come against this problem, but it's new to me as I'm not one to >buy lots of hardware stuff to play with and try out and otherwise tinker with >my machines. The machines are tools for me and I put my money resources into >s/w tools I need or my old radio collection (as Hans F. and Wm. Donzelli can >attest ;) It's fairly straightforward. I do this enough to be comfortable with it. Previously installed means no new disk or reinstall of the OS (unless it was to refresh a few files) as the OS stores all the setup in REGISTRY, INFs and DLLs. For those not timid at heart, the registry is very editable and can usually stand cleaning up. FYI the most common problem is that I find the P&P want to put NIC at 210 and IRQ3 or 5 with is often already commited to COM1 and LPT2. Manual setting of the OS (in the system pannel) is enough to fix that. BEWARE... W95 by default installs NETBUEI as the only protocal! You must make sure that the TCP/IP protocal is installed and also the adaptor (networking pannel). Then go to the DUN (DIAL UP NETWORKING) and set up the dial out. FYI: use MSDUN13 (from the MS site.) as the OSR2 DUN has problems arounf DHCP and some other junk. I usually install W95, then setup the networking, install MSDUN13 and then follow with layered products (err uhm applications). HINT: install MS internet explorer before netscape then make netscape the default if you prefer it. Also if you use MS Internet explorer/OutlookExpress Use 4.01SP2, it has fewer of the active-x and COMx controls and can be hardened more than the IE5 versions (they are very virus prone). Last item in is a ANTIvirus with currrent signatures, I lke SYMANTEC but MCAfee seems to work as well. In any case instal and enable it. >BTW, I'm using w95 OSR-2 also. 8-24-96 is the majority of file dates on the >distribution. Same here. Also known as 95B or 400.950. That was the last version unless you have 95C (I do) which is the OEM disti copy. Myself I've run 95, 98 and NT4/SP4/workstation and NT beats 9x hands down (except for games). It will give untuned Linux (caldara openlinux2.3) a goor run. NT like Linux is intimidating for the novice to install and setup. Done properly with known good drivers they all work. Keep in mind one thing, I HATE Micros~1! Allison

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VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, this falls in the stupid question catagory. What are the minimum memory requirements for VMS V5.5? I'm in the process of resurecting my VAXstation II/RC and would for some idiotic reason like to leave it in the original configuration except for the HD (dead RD53). I just got done stuffing the VCB01 back in and noticed that what I thought was a 8MB RAM board is only a 2MB RAM board. Now here is the idiotic part, I'm threatening to run it in a 3MB RAM configuration, despite having some 4MB and 8MB RAM boards. As a result I'm wondering what VMS V5.5's RAM requirements are. Unfortunatly I've not got much in the line of V5.5 doc's so can't look it up. Zane

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CGS/Commodore bankruptcy (was RE: Brochure re: CSG liquidation)

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hans: I did some investigation of this several years ago on this topic exactly. I was able to put my hands on the motion to approve the sale of the assets of CEL and CBM. Excerpting from the court filing, as follows: ---------------------- UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK Notice of hearing to appeove sale of assets and solicitation of higher or better offers. ... PLEASE TAKE FURTHER NOTICE THAT the sale to Escom is pursuant to a contract (the "Contract") dated March 13, 1995 providing for the conveyance of specified assets (collectively referred to here in as the "assets"), including the right, title and interest of the Commodore Entities to substantially all of their intellectual property, including technology, trademarks (including Commodore's logo and the names "Amiga" and "Commodore"), patents, copyrights, and know-how, and tooling, inventory, components, spare parts, microchips, and microchip test and design equipment, for a gross price of approximately $5 million in cash. The technology being offered for sale includes all technology and patents developed in connection with Commodore's products, including the Amiga 1200, the Amiga 4000, and the Amiga CD32. {end quote} -------------------- The auction was to take place on April 20, 1995. As I recall, Escom did purchase all of the 8-bit technology, including all of the Amiga stuff, and then promptly filed for insolvency on July 15, 1996. Then, supposedly all of the same assets were sold to Gateway, which then sold the Amiga goodies to Amiga, Inc. (Snoqualmie, WA). I would suspect that the 8-bit technology went with it, although I can't confirm it. If someone knows anyone in the know at Gateway or Amiga, that would be a good way to find out. However, when reading CBM's reorganization plan (which obviously was never delcared effective; the company was ultimately liquidated), it specifically mentions the desire of the liquidators of CIL and CEL to sell all of the intellectual property, know-how, tooling, and inventory, including that of the C64 and Amiga products. The reorganization plan also indicated that CBM had $150 million of unsecured trade claims, including $95 million to various other Commodore entities. More information. As of an early-1997 D&B report, the officers of GMT Microelectronics (purchaser of the CSG real property and equipment in the auction) included Dennis Peasenell (CHB), James Oerth (CTO), Anthonw Wilson (VP of Facilities), George Giansanti (President), Thomas Aiken (CFO) and Alan Sabanosh (VP of Manufacturing). GMT purchased the Norristown facility on September 2, 1994 (closing on January 6, 1995) for $4.3 million in cash. This acquisition was to include some personal property (equipment and raw materials and finished goods on hand, I would suspect). Rich Pseudo-attorney -----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke [mailto:Hans.Franke@mch20.sbs.de] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 7:12 AM To: Richard A. Cini, Jr. Subject: Re: Brochure re: CSG liquidation Hallo Rich, > I don't know if anyone saw this on comp.sys.cbm, but it's an interesting > brochure. It's the auction notice brochure from 1994 for the Commodore > Semiconductor Group. I work for the asset-based financing division of the > sixth-largest bank in the US, and we've used Ross-Dove for our auctions and > liquidations. It's a nice brochure with detailed pictures. In fact, I'm still searching for some informations. for example who owns the IP of CSG ? Like the 6510 or 6530 cips - also who owns the IP for Commodore programm code, like the 6530 ROM content ? Maybe you got any idea ? Back in the final Commodore auction in NYC, these rights have not been mentioned. the only alike IP part has been the Amiga lot. Seams as if the ownership has been 'lost'. > Sad, none the less, but a great brochure. > http://archive.dovebid.com/company/archive/commodore.htm Jep, great historic material. Thank you Servus Hans -- VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen http://www.vintage.org/vcfe http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe

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Intel iPDS-100 boot disk/docs?

by vcf＠siconic.com

Does anyone have the boot disk and/or docs for the Intel iPDS-100? It's a portable (like the Osborn) circa 1982, 8085-based (it actually has three 8085's inside). Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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VCF Requests

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

How about starting a request list of stuff we're hoping to find for trade/sale/free at the VCF I'll start right here: -pocket computers -programmable calculators -beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance to pay up this VCF.) -laptops -software and accessories for the above -MSX machines -European models (Amstrad, Oric, Sinclair....) Keep on adding. Thanks Francois

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classiccmp-digest V1 #354

by BRISCH＠MN.USWEST.NET

Please remove (stop subscription) >Return-Path: <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >Received: (qmail 19789 invoked by uid 0); 28 Aug 2000 09:44:14 -0000 >Received: from mail3.uswest.net (204.147.80.19) > by mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 2000 09:44:14 -0000 >Received: (qmail 1852 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2000 09:44:13 -0000 >Received: from opal.tseinc.com (209.83.134.16) > by mail3.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 2000 09:44:13 -0000 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03774 > for classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:41:35 -0500 (CDT) > (envelope-from owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org) >Errors-To: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:41:35 -0500 (CDT) >Message-Id: <200008280941.EAA03774(a)opal.tseinc.com> >From: "classiccmp-digest" <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >Sender: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >To: classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >X-Authentication-Warning: opal.tseinc.com: majordom set sender to owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org using -f >Subject: classiccmp-digest V1 #354 >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Precedence: bulk >Status: U >X-UIDL: 967455854.19795.mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net > > >classiccmp-digest Monday, August 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 354 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:23:06 -0700 (PDT) >From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> >Subject: Re: CP/M for HP 87? > >> on the subject of TI calcs... OT too! >> >> I see TI86s and 83s are around. Are any of these Z80 powered? > >I'm pretty sure the 85s are, at least. Never opened mine up, though. > >- -- >- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu >- -- An apple every eight hours will keep three doctors away. ------------------- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:41:02 +0930 >From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au> >Subject: Re: looking for teletype KSR-43 ribbons > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 6:38 AM >Subject: Re: looking for teletype KSR-43 ribbons > > >> >> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Lawrence LeMay wrote: >> >> > >> > http://www.partsalliance.com/ne/ribbons.htm >> > >> > A package of 6 Teletype 43/45 ribbons is $16.62, or $20.28 including >tax. >> > Of course, this site is in Austrailia... >> >> Wow! A 22% tax! Shipping not included I presume. > >That would be wrong, we went to a retail price based GST of 10% on 1 July >from a wholesale price sales tax of 22%. >It's likely the site has not been updated yet. > >I can get these through a local office machine supplier for around $8 ea >incl tax. They are still quite easy to get. > >Cheers > >Geoff Roberts >Computer Systems Manager >Saint Mark's College >Port Pirie, South Australia, >geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:41:43 -0400 (EDT) >From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> >Subject: New Email address > > Hello Collecting friends. > > I am currently on 'inactive' status as far as classic computer >collecting goes, so my participation on the List has been mostly in R/O >mode. > > My old (+7 years!) ISP has seen fit to discontinue all it's Unix Shell >accounts effective Sept 30 of this year. I have therefore signed up with >another old-line ISP, panix.com in New York. > > Should any of you on the list be considering changing your ISP for any >reason, especially if you are primarily a telnet user.. I can highly >recomend them. Their customer service has been a) excellent and >b) proactive; a state of affairs unheard-of in my years on the Net. > > > Since I am now living and working in Southern India, I have bestowed my >collection en masse to a couple of Listmembers and will not be actively >pursuing the hobby for a year or two. Getting a full-blown 11/44 system >thru checked baggage is one thing, but dealing with Indian customs..... > > ;) > > > I would like to take this small opportunity to publicly thank each and >everyone of you one the List who help to preserve these old beasts, and >also I would like to thank Allison, Megan, Tim, Sellam, Bruce, Marvin, >Tony Duell, Eric, Don Maslin, Hans Franke, Eliot Moore, and all the rest >who took time and effort to help me unravel DEC as it was meant to be. > > I have unsubbed the netcom account and subscribed at the panix addrr, >and I'll continue to monitor the list, although it is doubtful I'll be >posting much. I have found one cache of more-than-ten-year-old stuff, >mostly Commie and Atari. I'll post more when I have a chance to check it >out. Don't get too excited. Buyer pays shipping... > > > Cheers > >John > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:21:00 -0700 (PDT) >From: Aaron Nabil <nabil(a)SpiritOne.com> >Subject: Re: looking for teletype KSR-43 ribbons > >On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Geoff Roberts wrote: >> . . . >> I can get these through a local office machine supplier for around $8 ea >> incl tax. They are still quite easy to get. > >I was hoping someone would have a stash, yes, they are still easy to >order, which I ended up doing. > >If you don't mind clones, you can get a Intec (not crap) RI1039E from >http://www.theverylastword.com/ribbons.htm for about $5/ea, or if you >want the genuine article order a AT&T 127815 for about $8/ea from >10kplus.com like I did yesterday. > >- -- >Aaron Nabil > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:34:01 -0500 >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> >Subject: Re: CP/M for HP 87? > >Stan, > > I have the ROM but I've never tried to use it. I don't have the >instructions for it so I don't know much about it. I have CPM for the HP >120 and I'm hoping that it will work with the ROM but I don't know if it >will or not. > > Joe > >At 04:34 PM 8/26/00 -0700, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I'm looking for CP/M software for an HP 87 with >>an HP 82900A CP/M cartridge! >> >>Any pointers/help appreciatd! >> >>thanks, >> >>Stan >> >>Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com >>www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler >> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:25:59 -0400 >From: Gene Ehrich <gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com> >Subject: Looking for Thinkpad 500 Battery > >The title says it all. > >New, used or rebuild. > > > >================================= >Gene Ehrich >gene(a)ehrich.com >gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 05:38:59 EDT >From: Jgzabol(a)aol.com >Subject: asgnpart.com > >Hello, > >would anyone know where I could find the MS-DOS progam asgnpart.com, >which was part of some of the versions 3.x and 4.x, but not of all these >versions. >None of the versions in my possession have it, unfortunately, and some >application I want to run has to have it. > >Thanks and regards >John G. Zabolitzky > >------------------------------ > >End of classiccmp-digest V1 #354 >******************************** > > >

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PDP11 (in a OBA11-VA) available, Austin, TX

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a PDP-11/03 system (configured with RX01 controller, RAM card, and serial terminal interface) available in Austin, Texas (for sale). For local buyers, I've also got the VT102 terminal (complete with original owner's / programming manual) and dual RX01-compatible 8" floppy drive unit as well (these are too heavy/bulky to ship). Pics of the system at http://www.pdp11.org/pics. If interested, mail me at mrbill(a)mrbill.net to make an offer or negotiate. I'm not trying to make a profit off of this, just convert it into cash to help pay bills this month (I'll pick up another system a couple months >from now...) I've also got a VAXstation 4000-VLC with 16mb available. Bill (BTW - Dave McG - your -11 cards are going out in the mail this Friday) -- +-------------------\ /-----------------+ | Bill Bradford | www.sunhelp.org | | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | www.decvax.org | | Austin, Texas USA | www.pdp11.org | +-------------------/ \-----------------+

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trs-80, tcp-ip

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Was there ever a tcp-ip stack that ran on a TRS-80 model 100? If so, does anyone know where to get such a thing? Man, I get the wierdest questions... -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BeOS Powered! -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Obviously nobody thinks it's worth $5K! > -----Original Message----- > From: John Lewczyk [mailto:jlewczyk@his.com] > Sent: 26 August 2000 05:28 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: large collection of vintage machines on ebay > > > For what its worth... > > Because there are so many vintage machines, I thought I'd > pass along the url of > the auction and the list of machines. Its a rather > impressive collection for > sale. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=419928107 >

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Chip IDs?

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Hey all, Apologies if this is a repeat; I thought I sent this before, but never saw it in the digest, nor any replies to it. Not sure if my e-mail failed to get out the door here, or if one (or more?) digest failed to make it into my mailbox, but the result is the same. I'm looking for info on the following chip numbers. (TI) SN2789N (TI) SN2792N (Fairchild?) 3005662 (Fairchild?) 3005663 (Fairchild?) 3005664 (Fairchild?) 3005665 (Fairchild?) 3005666 (Fairchild?) 3005668 (maybe another 3005666 - hard to read) >From the age of the machine and the date codes on the chips (late 60's), I expect these to be DTL or RTL or something. I also suspect that 2789 is the same as 3005663, and 2792 is the same as 3005668; some chips show both markings. Cheers, Bill.

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Windows CE (was future classic)

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

You're talking about Wind-Mill the replacement for Win98 that is supposed to be the last consumer only version before the grand gathering of NT "technology" and general public mass market distribution of DOS. Remember grasshopper, there can be only one. Or something like that Francois -----Original Message----- From: Derek Peschel <dpeschel(a)eskimo.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:08 AM Subject: OT: Re: Windows CE (was future classic) >> What the hell is Windows ME? Windows MistakE? FWIW Windows CE is now >> offically dead. I guess Billy Boy is going to try and pull another fast one >> on us and try to convince us that now we need to spend more money and buy >> his new and improved OS. >

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Nixdorf Computer - unknown model

by lionelp＠worldonline.co.za

Hey guys, I was wondering: Can you guys help me determine what kind of computer I have here? I got this old system from a friend, without any documentation, when I switch it on, all it does is give me a white screen, and it says: Top of screen: SYSTEM 886SX SAP VERSION: SAPPRO 10.10 Bottom of screen: MWSS:XB99 LINK:02 LINE:01 R---- S ('S' is flashing) OFFLINE Is this enough to identify it? It seems enough, but I have no idea what it is. Nor how to use it. Secondly, if you know what it is, can you try to tell me where I can get some info on how it works? Or a brief explanation? Thanks in advance, Lionel Pinkhard

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