- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Geoffrey G. Rochat <geoff(a)pkworks.com> >If you want to lose one of those 11/2s, please get in touch! Is that for me or Jerome? If I have a spare I can arrage to give one away. I'd have to check as Qbus stuff I like to keep spares of. Allison

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Compaq Deskpro 286

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Looking for information about a Compaq Deskpro 286. I have two of > them. Would like to know some specs, how to get into the BIOS, etc. When painted gray (any shade you choose), they make an excellent anchor for the bass boat, although the bass (and EPA) may disagree... ;-) -dq

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The Zoran ZR34325 Vector/Signal Processing CPU

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, Does anyone have ANYTHING on this processor? Development tools, documentations, datasheets, etc? It is the coprocessor on the Inmos IMSB420 Vector Processing TRAM. Thanks, Ram

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Another PDP-11 available: Wisconsin

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jerome Fine <jhfine(a)idirect.com> >>Dave McGuire wrote: > >> There's nothing anyone here can say that would convince me that this >> message is anything but a very enthusiastic and rather caustic TROLL. > >Jerome Fine replies: > >Thank you for the compliment - was it? What does TROLL stand for. >If you are going to pay me a compliment, at least have the courtesy >of explaining it. Thank you. > >Sincerely yours, > >Jerome Fine Troll, funny little doll with a stupid grin and as a character in strories known for propensity to start or fan trouble into a really big fire. Not a compliment. Usually reserved for those that hit a group causing a flash fire and running. On the other hand the posting was rather strong. There is nothing wrong with an 11/2. True an 11/23 has more oomph and all but an 11/2 is configurable as a very nice small machine. Paying 100$ for one is questionable in my mind on because they were so common (over 100,000 cpu boards made). I have a few. Allison

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Moving a Microvax II

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Haha, ah yes... gotta love Virgil Rice.. I bought something from him once and even though I picked it up from his house, he still wanted me to pay like 30 bucks shipping.. He has lots of cool stuff that I'd love to buy, but not at the kind of prices he wants for it.. It would be far less irritating were he not only about 40 minutes from me... He has an HP 21MX that I've drooled over but he wanted like 700 dollars for it... Hell, he wanted 200 bucks apiece just for empty HP racks... Sorry for the rant, but people who would rather throw stuff out because they can't get what they think its "worth" truly irritate me... I'm not asking people to give everything away, just to be reasonable about negotiating... Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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48v dc power

by dburrows＠netpath.net

Only a few UPS's use 12 volts. Many use 36 or 48 volts. Then you get into the 3KVA units that have 96 volt bank of batteries. The real nice 10+KVA boxes have 180 to 300V battery banks. Some day I will get a new battery bank for my 10 KVA box for the office. In the meantime I make do with a few 1 to 3 KVA boxes. Also some of the 12v UPS's will not start from just battery. They have to "fail over to battery" I do have a 1KVA Triplite that is 12V and does start >from just battery. So keep your eyes open for those. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: Re: 48v dc power >Why not buy a "dead" UPS that can over the wattage of your system and >install a 12V in plug on the back. Most of these use a 12V DC input and >provide acceptable power on the output. Its cheaper than simply buying a >12V -> 120V inverter @600Watts or so. > >--Chuck > > >"Shawn T. Rutledge" wrote: >> >> On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 05:25:23AM -0800, Mike Ford wrote: >> > I have some 48-57 vdc input, otherwise PC normal output power supplies for >> > about $5 each. Ask now if anybody wants some, basically I "think" new units >> >> What I could really use is a couple of 12V input supplies. I want to >> put a PC in the car and also run a couple of servers from a battery/ >> solar panel system. I know they are available new for $120ish if memory >> serves but they shouldn't have to cost so much. >> >> -- >> _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud(a)bigfoot.com >> (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd(a)kb7pwd.ampr.org >> __) | | \________________________________________________________________ >> Free long distance at http://www.bigredwire.com/me/RefTrack?id=USA063420

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Mac IIsi memory

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

I found some memory specifically for my poor little Mac IIsi. Does memory need to go into the system in matched pairs or can it go singly? Sorry for the slight OT. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- To err is human -- to forgive is not company policy. -----------------------

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$700 C64 on ebay, P500's

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:25:12 -0500 >From: "FBA" <fauradon(a)mn.mediaone.net> >Subject: Re: Moving a Microvax II >Speaking of ebay: here is a $700 commodore 64 with the reserve not met >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=454431985 >Francois Pfffffft! <wipes monitor> Clearly someone who hasn't done any research. As a CBM-related aside, having found one of the rare/ultra rare/not rare at all/discuss P500s a while back I get a phone call from an ex-collector who's found the stable-mate to mine in his loft, in identical condition, serial numbers only 32 apart, another one appears on eBay and sells for ukp300 then someone ELSE offers me ANOTHER P500 with a couple of chips missing, Highest serial number seen so far: 1296. I don't know whether to be pleased with mine or not! BTW, big site update at www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (or www.fop.i12.com/museum-frame.htm if that doesn't work). Many new pictures, all pong carts catalogued and some info added on some of the more uncommon machines, eg Enterprise 64, P500, BBC Domesday etc. Come along and don't forget to stand on the antistatic mat on the way in. :) -- Adrian Graham MCSE/ASE/MCP C CAT Limited Gubbins: http://www.ccat.co.uk (work) <http://www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk> (home) <http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (80's computer collection) "Missing you already" - Mark Radcliffe

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ZDNet article

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

ZDNet has actually published something interesting for a change. An article on "Why the world needs reverse engineers." Here's the link. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2636304,00.html I read it through, and thought it was pretty decent. There's space for talkbacks as well. Enjoy! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates to me that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Gym Z. Quirk, aka Taki Kogoma).

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Intel iPSC/1

by ip500＠home.com

This sould just make the 10 year rule.... Ran across one over the weekend at a local University auction. Anyone have pointers to Doc's on these cool Hypercubes? Did a fair bit of surfing over the weekend and didn't turn up much. Lots of parallel processor info but all too new. Obvious questions---- what did it use for a console & storage? I know it ran their version of UNIX [ZENIX?] As I'm not wired for 220 yet it will probably sit but I would like to complete a static display at the very least. [couldn't talk my wife into using it for a lamp table in the living room...although it is pretty cool & "modern" looking] Any info appreciated. Thanks, Craig

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Another PDP-11 available: Wisconsin

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 10, Jerome Fine wrote: > > There's nothing anyone here can say that would convince me that this > > message is anything but a very enthusiastic and rather caustic TROLL. > > Jerome Fine replies: > > Thank you for the compliment - was it? What does TROLL stand for. > If you are going to pay me a compliment, at least have the courtesy > of explaining it. Thank you. Oh, it was intended neither as a compliment or as a derogatory remark. A "troll" is an opinionated statement on a volatile subject intended to start a flame war. -Dave McGuire

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You might be a VMS Bigot if.....

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Don't forget the main thing that UNIX needs... Useful error messages! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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Geekdom vs the Fourth Estate

by jpl15＠panix.com

Here in India, because of my previous association with MGM Studios, I find myself cast (rather unwillingly on my part) as a bit of a celebrity, and so I have been interviewed by several different reporters from various media. During an interview with a fellow from The Hindu, the largest paper in India, we got into a discussion of my own personal recording studio and collection of vintage electronic instruments. I had been asked to provide photos, which I brought. In the pack pf pictures, two or three of my computer collection were intermingled, and the discussion turned for a few minutes to the preservation of technology in general, and why anyone would want a house full of PDP11s, etc. They took several of the photos to run with the article; I gave them a brief description of the studio and it's equipment, and... they ran the picture of am DEC stuff, over the caption for the music gear, after we all agreed *not* to. I'm *still* getting calls from tech-heads who can't figure out just what model Moog Synth takes up 11 linear feet of 6' racks with a Kennedy 9100 stuck in the middle of it. sigh. This, more or less, has happened each and every time I have given a press interview on a technical subject in the last 15 years. This one just happens to be classiccmp-related... Cheers John

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Another PDP-11 available: Wisconsin

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

There's nothing anyone here can say that would convince me that this message is anything but a very enthusiastic and rather caustic TROLL. -Dave McGuire On October 9, Jerome Fine wrote: > Jerome Fine replies: > > First I must admit I am biased since I do not regard PDP-11 hardware > as being very important as opposed to the software. On the other > hand, I have attempted to keep available a reasonable REAL PDP-11 > system at considerable expense compared to that $ US 100 mentioned > above. > > BUT, unless there is some specific reason as to why some of the specific > hardware mentioned is extremely important, I would suggest that the > requested price is in excess of the value by a factor of 100. Old > LSI-11 or 11/02 systems are so inhibited as compared with even an > 11/23 CPU, let alone a 11/73 system, that I can't see why anyone > would want one - except maybe to fill out a full line of PDP-11 > systems. When an emulator on a PC can duplicate most, if not > all of the functions, only a die-hard hardware fan (addict - yes I am > a PDP-11 software addict) would want an 11/02 system. And at > $ US 100, that is so overpriced compared to an 11/73 in a BA123 > box no less about 2 years ago at $ US 10, I can't begin to see why > Tom thinks or feels that such a price is reasonable. If Tom really > wants to see it go to a good home, he should be offering to help > with the shipping as well. > > Anyone willing to suffer through the hardware problems of an old 11/02 > system needs to be encouraged. I actually have a couple of such old > systems which I haven't used in 10 years, but have kept just in case > someone might want then, but if and when they are ever available > (which could be within a year or two since I must start cleaning up > the basement), they will be for free. Anyone who has that in mind, > contact me and I will keep you on a list. Note that they are in Toronto > and local; pickup only. The last time I gave away an 11/34 backplane > and power supply, it took over a year to get someone to pick it up > and almost ended up in the dumptser. > > Sincerely yours, > > Jerome Fine

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Moving a Microvax II

by ncherry＠home.net

I need to transport a Microvax II (BA-123) and need to know what I should do before it takes this trip. Any suggestions? PS: What is a vax console pc380? Just curious. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)home.net http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)

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Toshiba T1000se

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Picked this machine up today and it works fine even though i didnt get the ac adaptor. thankfully it uses a 7.2v battery so I used my rc car battery to run it. The only info i can find is that it's a 10mhz 8088 with a 1.44 floppy and 1 meg. it also has a ram drive or DOS in ROM <?>. does this thing have a hard drive or graphic LCD? what about memory expansion? DB Young ICQ: 29427634 hurry, hurry, step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! http://www.nothingtodo.org

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Mac IIsi memory

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/10/00 7:36:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KenzieM(a)sympatico.ca writes: > > Does the the IIgs doesn't use 30 pin, does the MAC SE? > before I open the case) > that model of the apple // does not use SIMMs although I did find a gs with a memory expansion card that could take 4meg of 30pin simms... DB Young ICQ: 29427634 hurry, hurry, step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! http://www.nothingtodo.org

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4004?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <John.Allain(a)donnelley.infousa.com> > >Dwight> I think Kilby's was for the IC, not CPU. It was the basic idea of an IC. >Anybody know the line of products from TI, the ID's, >of the stuff coming from JK's first chip? The most infamous is the 709 opamp. Allison

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Another PDP-11 available: Wisconsin

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

(another mail sent to me @ pdp11.org that I'm not personally able to save/salvage - perhaps someone else here can? --bill ) If interested in this system, please email Tom at the e-mail address given below. He'd like to see his PDP-11 system go to a good home. He's asking $100 plus shipping for the lot. - - - My first home computer was a LSI-11: A Netcom box (card cage) with Diablo emulations of RK05 drives. I ran RT-11 3, then version 4, and I may have actually genned a v5 system for it. Still have it in storage, need to get rid of it. I don't know if the processor is an LSI 11 or 11/02. It's QBUS. I think I have assorted serial and parallel cards installed. I made a 8" floppy subsystem based on a heathkit card, built into the most incredibly ugly plywood box. I have 3 working diablo drives and a 4th that has serious electrical problems, but the heads are good. The original bootstrap/terminator card used a charge pump/inverter chip to provide negative 12v for the boot prom, but it never came up fast enough and you always got dumped to the @ prompt at power-up. Type 173000g and off you go - but that wasn't good enough for me. I hid a little transformer, bridge, and capacitor behind the backplane, and maybe a 7912 regulator (can't remember) and thereafter, it takes off from power-up without help. It has a Digital Pathways TCU-50 clock card, but the batteries are probably long dead, and you have to hard-code the year into the fortran / macro program that reads the hardware clock and sets the RT-11 time/date, which meant a small edit and recompile every January. I have a compiler and assembler. I've got an armload of RK05 packs for it. This pup is a real dinosaur. Please help! Thomas M. Peters <Peters.Tom.M(a)MBCO.COM> (414) 931-3887 -- Bill Bradford * KD5LQR mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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ID this Data General

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I picked up a small Data General computer this weekend. Can anyone id it? It's about 8" high x 8" deep x 2 foot long. It has a tape drive, one floppy drive, one dummy floppy drive and a (removed) 5 1/4" hard drive. One the back it says "Desktop Series". There are also labels that say "CPU W/FIS" and "CPU 256K" on the back. Four of the sections are labled "E 8712-N", "E 6336", "E 6301" and "e 6270-2" on the back. One of the odd things about it is that it's wired for 220 volt AC power and doesn't appear to be configurable for 110 VAC. (It only requires 5 and 3.15 Amps.) It has two power inputs on the back. I posted pictures at "www.intellistar.net/~rigdonj/nova-dt/dg-back.jpg", "www.intellistar.net/~rigdonj/nova-dt/dg-frnt.jpg", "www.intellistar.net/~rigdonj/nova-dt/dg-c.jpg". Joe

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Jumpers Needed: TQK70

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

CC to Port-VAX and classiccmp... If someone's got the jumper setting chart for the TQK70 tape drive controller (M7559 if I'm not mistaken), would you be so kind as to post it in ASCII form, FAX it to me, or perhaps scan it and turn it into a .PDF? Thanks much! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates to me that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Gym Z. Quirk, aka Taki Kogoma).

25 years, 9 months

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GRiD 1530 for grabs

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

I have a somewhat flaky GRiD 1530 with battery in unknown shape, AC adaptor, charger and docking station. It seems to have some trouble on power up but once it gets going it's fine. 8MB memory and 40MB HD running MS-DOS (I think 4.01?) with a 386 processor. Someone care to make an offer? Contact me off-list. Warning: it's insanely heavy so prioirty will go to someone who can pick it up. I'm in San Bernardino, CA. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- Dihydrogen monoxide -- it may be in your drink right now! www.dhmo.org -----

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OT collecting old pinballs

by wrm＠ccii.co.za

10 years old? Foo, that's new :-) I have a 1975 Gottlieb Top Score I'm restoring. Looking to buy a new (1984) Gottlieb Haunted House. And I have half a share in a 1968 Bally Alligator. All of those are considered fairly new pinballs :-) Wouter www.retro.co.za <-- some pictures, not much...

25 years, 9 months

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Screeching 5 1/4 FDD

by lgwalker＠look.ca

I have a hard to replace dsdd floppy disk that produced a screeching noise while attempting to read it on a win98 box under Dos using a Dos program. I quickly removed it and tried to read it on another Dos box also with a HDFDD. No screech but only the directory was readable, not the contents. I checked the original FDD again using a scrap dsdd floppy and had no trouble with it. Anyone have any thoughts as to what would have caused this ? And whether the disk is salvageable ? I'm reluctant to run the disk again on any box till I explore the options, lest I damage it further. It was an old DRI PC-install master disk for GEM. ciao larry Reply to: lgwalker(a)look.ca

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ID this Data General

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

It's a Desktop Generation, I can find out which model fairly easily. Basically, it's from the early to mid 80's, and it contains both a microEclipse processor and an i8086, it can run both AOS and CP/M-86 simultaneously. I may be able to get manuals and software for it too. Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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An article on the ZX-81 kits still being sold in the US

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Profiteering at its worst IMO. I got mine for $45 so to see the price double in less than a year is just plain greed. > -----Original Message----- > From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] > Sent: 07 October 2000 20:21 > To: Classic Computers Mailing List > Subject: An article on the ZX-81 kits still being sold in the US > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/13785.html > > These guys are a bunch of clowns. They used to be selling these for > $29.95 until the eBay phenomenon hit. Then they jacked up > the price to > $99.95. I guess they must be selling these at that price because they > haven't backed it down. > > Is an unassembled ZX-81 kit worth $99.95 to me? Hell no. > > Sellam International Man of > Intrigue and Danger > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 > San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California > See http://www.vintage.org for details! >

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TS05 Tape Drive Information

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

*> * Can anyone point me at a web source of information for a *> * Dec TS05 tape drive. *> *> It's a rebadged Cipher F880. I don't know of any web sources of *...and a crippled Cipher F880 as well. :-( Does anyone here know why *DEC changed it to not work at 3200BPI? Not *all* F880's work at 3200 BPI; a good chunk of them have the "HI DENS" button on the front panel, but it doesn't do anything. (Well, in diagnostic mode it has some functionality, but otherwise it doesn't.) 3200 BPI was never particularly common anyway. And the TS05/F880, while cheap, was *never* a performance star. Many of the minicomputers they were hooked to were hard-pressed to keep them streaming at 1600BPI, much less 3200BPI. And once you drop out of streaming, there's a huge performance loss. Tim.

25 years, 9 months

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Archive of Weekend Edition VCF segment online

by vcf＠siconic.com

You can hear the segment about the VCF on the Weekend Edition show by going here: http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=10%2F8%2F2000&PrgID=10 Scroll down to "Vintage Computers". Requires Real Player, unless there's a way to get the lame Windows player to work with .RMM files. Now I have to go download another crappy application just to listen to this. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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TS05 Tape Drive Information

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

* Can anyone point me at a web source of information for a * Dec TS05 tape drive. It's a rebadged Cipher F880. I don't know of any web sources of information, but you might look in any minicomputer rag like _Processor_ to search the dozens of places that repair Cipher 1/2" tape drives and see if one of them is geographically near to you. Tim.

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TS05 Tape Drive Information

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> * Can anyone point me at a web source of information for a > * Dec TS05 tape drive. > > It's a rebadged Cipher F880. I don't know of any web sources of > information, but you might look in any minicomputer rag like > _Processor_ to search the dozens of places that repair Cipher > 1/2" tape drives and see if one of them is geographically near to > you. You can find the document: Cipher F880 Magnetic Tape Transport Volume 1 Operation and Maintenance at this link: http://www.retrobytes.org/docs/cipher/F880/ hth, -doug q

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TS05 Tape Drive Information

by kevin＠xpuppy.freeserve.co.uk

Can anyone point me at a web source of information for a Dec TS05 tape drive. A scanned copy of the manuals would be wonderful :) Kevin

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FS/FT: DEC Server

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

More specifically, an 'ApplicationDEC 433MP.' This is a two-CPU 1990/91 vintage 486 system, EISA bus for expansion, and a somewhat weird proprietary bus for the two CPU boards made by Corollary (bought out by Intel some time ago). The system's in clean shape, both electrically and cosmetically, and is known to be runnable on at least NetBSD/i386 (if in single-CPU mode). Has twin SCSI buses inside. Includes 16MB RAM (maxed out), a CD-ROM drive, and a QIC cartridge tape drive that, if I recall, is a 525-MB capable. Accepts standard SCSI hard drives, but you'll need to either find the goofy little feet that DEC used for those keyholed trays, or invent something yourself. First person to hand me $20.00 cash gets it. I'd prefer not to ship: This one's big, bulky, and fairly hefty. Would also be willing to trade for MicroVAX III (KA650) or higher CPU and memory board(s). Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates to me that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Gym Z. Quirk, aka Taki Kogoma).

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PDP-11 Energizer bunny :-)

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

Found while sorting through a box of old papers: http://www.trailing-edge.com/www/pdp11rabbit72.gif Can anyone identify which magazine/issue it was originally published in? Since it references the introduction of the Alpha, I'm guessing early-mid Lasnerian 1990's, and I seem to recall that the "upgrade" mentioned is the PDP-11/93. Tim.

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Free in DC area: Unibus BA11's, Tape rack

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

Cleaning out the basement, so the following are available: 1. Two 10.5" high BA11 Unibus expansion boxes, with power supplies and some sorts of backplanes. Very clean condition. Weight is 70 pounds or so each. 2. A large floor-standing tape storage rack. Base is about 60 inches by 24 inches, stands about 36 inches high, has hangers for a few hundred magtapes. Does *not* disassemble. You can pickup either or both in the Bethesda/Rockville MD area (on the edge of the I-495 beltway), first-come, first-served. Email for details/ scheduling. If you get here and I'm in a good mood, you'll probably be offered lots of other stuff :-). Tim. (shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com)

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New find - OSI Challenger 4P

by apple＠cmc.net

Your message reminded me of a common mod that was done on OSI machines to avoid inadvertant resets caused by accidently hitting the "break" key. Many people installed a capacitor across this keyswitch so that it had to be held down for a couple of seconds to reset the machine. The screen would contain random gibberish at power up and pushing the break key should give you the "C/W/M" or "H/D/M" depending on the ROM pages selected for start up. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stek <r.stek(a)snet.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:34 PM Subject: New find - OSI Challenger 4P >Wheeee! I got an OSI Challenger 4P today (does this complete my collection >of early micros with walnut sides? I now have my Sol and NorthStar Horizon >and Challenger.) Of course it would be even better if it worked or at least >I had some documentation. A shielded cable terminating in an RCA phono plug >exits the cabinet. The fan turns and apparently something is being output. >I tried a mono composite monitor with no luck, but channel 11 (?) seems to >give what could be a screen image with several inverse video blocks >scattered down the left side (we have a STRONG channel 3 here, and 4 is >garbage). Pressing "return" shows no change in the screen, nor does >pressing a momentary-contact switch (home-brewed?) above the keyboard >labeled "Break Enable." > >Since I never even saw one of these in the 70's, I could use some help. >Does anyone have docs they would be willing to copy for a reasonable fee? >Any other advice cheerfully accepted. > >Bob Stek >Saver of Lost Sols >

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> >Allison, what I have tried to put as clearly as I know how, is that the >objective is to read THIS diskette. I'm not trying to replicate the BIOS or >its functions, beyond the simple task of getting the data from THIS >diskette. While it's true, one might want to write diskettes of a format >compatible with a foreign system, that's not what I want to do. > >Let me explain: Dont bother. I understand. I will even repeat it if you dont think so. WHAT I'M SAYING is "THAT DISK" if you do successfully do this will likely be the only one (or only ones like it) to work. THere are formats that resist and defy your assumptions. >diskettes, of which most are written on controllers I no longer have, nor >want. Many of the diskettes I retained were copies of materials downloaded >from various RCPM sites in the early '80's, from the BDS CUG, and other >organizations whose work product was worthy of note, and a bunch of other been there done that and then some. I only retain masters, clearly marked copies and others. Much of the non commercial stuff is on the WC CP/M CDrom and there is my personal archive. AS I read disks I also convert them to a standard set of formats and over the years that has kept the accumulation of massive piles to a dull roar. >controller-of-origin. While some are clearly marked as to their content, >the format remains a mystery. My Systems Group machine won't read them. Likely because they are ISIS, DD CP/M written on Intel (using M^2FM). Some of the soft sector controllers used USART in sync mode and have really odd formats that the 177x can munge. >Does that make my objective clear enough? It was all the time. You haven't heard the why nots. >I'm not trying to automate out of existence the "black-art" of creating a >floppy disk BIOS for CP/M, since there are already enough of them out there, >all different because nobody seems to have gone beyond just "getting it to >work, sorta ..." If you dont understand the odd things of BIOS design you can't possibly understand how some of the truly strange formats result. >OTOH, I WOULD like to see an automatic procedure for generating the >parameters for a hard disk of a given configuration, striking a resonable >balance between efficient use of capacity and directory space. I've only I've done it a lot and it's not innate that I apply a lot of experience to doing what must be a black art to some. it's not. most of what you do will be highly biased by the controller, drive and CPU. >others, but have concluded that it's possible to do that automatically given >the geometry of the drive. The only issue is integrating the deblocking >code seamlesly so it can handle both floppy and fixed disks sharing the same >memory buffer. That introduces plent of opportunity for errors. Ah now we are getting to something far more practical. deblocking can easily be automated but your dealing with a BIOS and the automation has to be incorperated at build time. IE: the BIOS has to be built to permit adding MODULES that do functions with standardized interfaces so adding a floppy or hard disk is easier. Of course somethings can be handled easier if you have memory to burn. For example if you have 4k of ram you can copy as many sectors as will fit regardless of their physical size and the code will figure out how to accomodate the geometry by calculation. In the end you will be reproducing a PC bios without plug and play and limited to SCSI and IDE drives (not so bad) as they are the only ones that can be queried directly for geometry or better yet addressed as blocks. Older non IDE controllers are harder as their register or parameter passing schemes are a PITA. Examples of controllers that are awkard and different from each other in some or many ways. Teltek S100, basically two addresses with a packet messaging interface. requires a drive specific setup based on geometry and other low level drive specific functions. It will also deblock for you if you pass logical sector info. Compupro Disk 3A S100, DMA interface to ram, local z80 for processing and has involved setup. requires a Buffer space in ram of sector size minimum, system has to deblock. WD1002-HDO (host interface) like the others requires drive specific setup and does not deblock. Interface differs. local sector buffer only WD1002-wxa ISA-8 Not like WD1002-HDO but does have setup requiremnts and also deblocking is not done. has local sector buffer only. SCSI --> host board is like the WD1002hdo save you now have to deal with the SCSI layer. SCSI --> SCSI drive (over 40-50mb) block addressed at 512byte sector level, supplies geometry on query, larger drive have cache. IDE (larger than 40-50mb class) caching or at least sector buffers, respond to geometry query on most. Interface on later designs have variable geometry and block mode addressing to simplify matters. Likely the easiest and most consistant to interface. Thats a can of worms and worrying the right deblock, alloc or directory size are the most trivial of problems to work out. Now if you want ot make interfacing them easy and faster build the bios so that it KNOWS NOTHING about the disk save for a generic idea of a 8mb hard disk. dpblk1: DEFW 256 ; SPT pass a ALLOC size chunk DEFB 5 ; BSH Values for 4k alloc DEFB 31 ; BLM blkmask DEFB 3 ; EXM extent msk DEFW 2047 ; DSM disk size in blocks (4k) -1 (8mb) DEFB 512 ; DRM allocated directory entries (512 8k files =4mb) DEFB 11110000b ; directory alloc DEFB 00000000b ; byte 2 DEFW 00 ; check size (fixed disk) DEFW 0 ; track offset (do partitoning elsewhere) chk1: DEFS 0 alv1: DEFS 256 ; 2048 bits are needed to store alloc map for 8mb. dirbuf1: DEFS 128 this will pass as Setsector a binary value of 0-256 and in set track a binary value that is also in the range of 0-255. If these two are concatenated the result wil be a 16bit value that is the relative sector for a 8mb disk. If it is right shifted twice the result will be a block address (512byte) and a index to the correct 128 byte sector within the block. For a drive that can accept block (physical sector) addresses this will be all you need other than commands around it. To partition that likely large drive do some 24 or 32 bit math and add 65536(8mb partition) to it to find the start of the next partition. If the disk is only CHS addressing take that resulting 14bit block address and divide by # phys-sectors to get the sector wanted. Then divide the residue for the cylinder and head. For partitioning just add to the track number the required tracks to clear the 8mb space prior. For deblocking anything works and the floppy deblocker is used. There is no reason to deblock the hard disk seperatly from the floppy save for one thing, by keeping it seperate you will not slow the apparent floppy access due to thrashing. This is a consideration of available space (ram) and if banked ram is avalable it's a good place for it. DEBLOCKING IS caching at the physical sector level. so if you deblock groups of sectors of a total size that equals the ALLOC size you will get performance. the BDOS does directory access minimally at the alloc level, a single read captures an alloc address so your committed access is alloc/128 sectors. If the sectors happen to be sequential on the media so much the better(there is a hint there about interleave). All you need is space. If your doing that make SPT equal to ALLOC (32 for 4k) and just read the block starting at the address passed as track and use sector as the index as the index into the deblock buffer. Works better for floppies if you buffer and deblock whole tracks. Allison

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An article on the ZX-81 kits still being sold in the US

by vcf＠siconic.com

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/13785.html These guys are a bunch of clowns. They used to be selling these for $29.95 until the eBay phenomenon hit. Then they jacked up the price to $99.95. I guess they must be selling these at that price because they haven't backed it down. Is an unassembled ZX-81 kit worth $99.95 to me? Hell no. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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CP/M BIOS setup

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> >He's not proposing to figure out the parameters by looking at tables in >the BDOS. As you correctly point out, that stuff is in the BIOS. True the BIOS is the repository of the disk information but it's not all as I've repeatedly said in the "tables". It can be deeply embedded in the code. >Richard's point is that on a bootable disk, some set of sectors contain >the BDOS code, which has known contents (for any specific DRI CP/M release). >The point is that some of the disk parameters can be worked out by matching >what sectors on the media contain what pieces of the BDOS code. Sorry but the BDOS is usually in reserved tracks where things like skew (aka intereave) is not always there or even the same density. The BDOS other than being a known block of code contains none of the disk specific code or layout. Putting that in the bios is what made cpm portable to different platforms. >It may not tell you everything about the disk format, and it obviously >only works on bootable diskettes, but I think it is a good start. It's only a start. to me as an bystander to this it's a interesting exercize but one fraught with exceptions and limiations for it to work reliabily. Allison

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- >> he uses as example. It is a defective assumption. >> >I'm not convinced that the structure of the BIOS matters at all if one uses >the BDOS to fetch or point to whatever he's after. I do believe it's fair His utilities break on three of my systems as I do some things like bank part of the bios and in one case part of the BIOS is resident and executed by a seperate cpu. >> >In those cases, among which one finds the CCS example, wherein a simple, >> >"dumb" BIOS is loaded into a 20-K CP/M requiring a 32K memory in which >> >to run, and subseqeuently used to run a "smarter" and more fully >developed >> >> Not really. >> >What do you mean, Allison? I can assure you that it works fine as a larger I didn't mean you cant load a smarter bios. Only that in the case of the CCS if you want a nice system loading a smarter bios is a good thing to do. >> Yes it is. I have floppies that use 1k (most SD though some are DD!), >> many that use 2k and even some nut case using 4k(not me honest!). >> >Yes but that's easily recognizable if you check the directory entries and >disk parameters. Remember, I propose extracting this information from the >physical medium, not from some speculation. Suit yourself. There are a few programs outthere that "image" the disk and they didn't have it easy either. >The stepper-driven Rodime 204E (1982) was about as fast as that Quantum and >had 640 cylinders instead of the Q540's 512. I used one for years and am I presume the rodime was larger than 31mb as well so more cylinders are not amazing. Was it an 8headed disk? >be posted sometime soon, I hope) was 3 ms. It would do the job for sure, in >3 ms. I checked many of them. The Tandon equivalent and the Shugart >equivalent both did the same. Others came later. There is no dispute about that and I still have the spec sheat and all for mine. But to go from track 71 to track 0 still takes 213Ms, you can go faster if you ramp the step rate to 2.2mS and look for track 000. >So, what did you do when you wanted to use 17 512-byte sectors (commonly >used) and a 5-head drive, like the ones form Miniscribe that plagued us now >and again? Or, for that matter, the 6-head ST225, which was somewhat later. >How about 1K sectors? You could get 9 of them per track. People were after >capacity, even though they hadn't yet figured out how to waste it. did that too sector(s) is a 16bit value though most bios will truncate it on assumption that it will be 256 or less. The only effect doing to the miniscribe ( have two) was I had to divide out using non binary integer math rather than shifts, no biggie. it was much faster drive too. >I'm not sure it helped much, but since the early ('506-class) HDD's stepped >at 3 ms regardless, and since the controllers didn't take advantage of >momentum, I put the logical zero track of every partition in the physical >middle of the corresponding region of the drive. That made the worst-case >directory-seek half as long. Once drives capable of buffering step commands >became available that stunt wasn't necessary. Avoiding the use of physical >track zero was an important trick, however, since almost every drive homed >to that track on power-on, and if anything went wrong, it took a "rest" >there. I had a lot less trouble with drives once I learned not to use >physical track zero for anything that mattered at all. Yep you can do that. You can take multi platter drive and designate each platter or head as a drive. In some cases thats faster. For a 5mb st506 partitions were sorta pointless as I was going for something bigger than the 1mb floppies I already had. A 2.5mb partition was not considered or desired. For the larger 31mb drives I went to 8mb partitions and let them fall on cylinder boundaries and left it at that. By then caching was in use and directory caching as well so where things were was not much of an issue. >> Memorex 102 I gave away working, CTRL-C was a real wait and >> a kick to watch the head creap back. >> >If it truly "crept" back, it was probably because it was being stepped too >fast and got lost, finally having to do a recal, which it did slowly. No 512 tracks or so and a really slow step rate it crept. the controller was doing step out, are we at 000, repeat. Morrow disk jocky and controller with their code... very slow. Allison

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S100 stuff

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I hope I don't get flamed too much. I just posted most of my remaining S100 cards on eBay. Seller name is Innfosale. Sorry for this but I need to maximize my income. Boards from Northstar, Compupro, Vector Graphic, Alpha Micro and some oddities. Also some Quantum 8" disk drives. Paxton

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PC/XT and Kaypro 4

by vcf＠siconic.com

Please reply to original sender. Reply-To: badger(a)netwalk.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:46:41 -0400 From: Butch Clodfelter <badger(a)netwalk.com> To: donate(a)vintage.org Subject: Re:Find Home I am looking for a new home for my old IBM PC XT. It was manufactured in the early 80's with the 8088 processor. IT has two HD's (10MB & 20MB) and two 360 Floppy Drives. I have the original manuals for it. The monitor has a 12' VGA color. DOS 3.1 was the operating system, with WP4.2, MP80. My copies of the licenses were damaged and so only have copies, not originals! If I find a museum where they will be used I also have a Kaypro 4 with 2.2 CPM OS I will sell for $100.00. The Kaypro 4 has all the original manuals and Disks. Original cost = $3645.00 in 1984. If you know of who I can contact, or of a home for the IBM please let me know! Thanks Butch Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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CP/M BIOS setup

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> >I am NOT saying that it is impossible - it is definitely possible. But I >am saying that the task of automating it would be significant. I have I have said the same thing repeatedly. it's a worthy project but, I've explained there are many formats that are similar that the only way to tell them apart is to know or trial and error. I even gave one set that is common in my room here. Myself, prove me wrong. I have no investment in that and would love to use it if it's a practical and useful tool. Also myself I'm investing time in a project that I consider more valuable. Adding a true heirarchal directories without breaking most reasonable apps. Allison

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CP/M BIOS setup

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> >Allison suggests that the disk parameters are obscure and hard to locate, >but CORTESI's book on CP/M, among others, provides a bit of software that In short simple sentences. If you have not done this you will be surprized. Cortesi write with the assumption that all bioses have the structure and form he uses as example. It is a defective assumption. >In those cases, among which one finds the CCS example, wherein a simple, >"dumb" BIOS is loaded into a 20-K CP/M requiring a 32K memory in which to >run, and subseqeuently used to run a "smarter" and more fully developed Not really. >version of the BIOS together with the OS loaded into whatever memory it >finds available thereby making a 64K(actually 61K) CP/M quite attainable, This is not news, nor significant. >one would have to examine the autocommand that's loaded in the "dumb" system >in order to find the image that's going to contain the "real McCoy" with the >full-featured BIOS from which the parameters relating to the directory and >data areas of the diskette can be extracted. Presuming there was an autocommand. >This strategy is particularly important in those rare cases where one has >actually done what the CCS folks recommend and format the first two tracks >of an 8" diskette single-density and the remainder at double density. >Likewise, the remainder of the diskette can be two-sided. The reason THEIR CCS while a decent box is far from being the be all, say all of the bios world. >What puzzles me is that, if this information is so readily available, why >hasn't the entire process been automated already? I know there are lots of Becasue it's is not so readially available. You assume it is and proceed that way but once you get off that CCS box the world changes greatly. Look at the 5.25 formats, look close at the similar but not the same formats. For example I have 5 different 5.25 781kb formats that are not even similar. One uses 1024byte sectors, another has sector 1 on side one and side two ends with sector 18 (512byte!). There is one that numbers the cylinders sero thourgh 79 on one side and 80 throgh 159 on the second. The fifth is like the first save for the skew is appied at format and not in the bios. Funny thing the DPH and DPB is exactly the same for all of them >should be done. There is always a bit of a guess as to whether 4K or 8K >allocation blocks should be used when hooking up a hard disk. That's not an >issue with floppies, however. Yes it is. I have floppies that use 1k (most SD though some are DD!), many that use 2k and even some nut case using 4k(not me honest!). >> I have a fully documented CCS and it clasifies as the early basic CP/M >> bios of low to average functionality. It's robust but closer to a minimal >> example. >> >True enough, but it's compatible with a front-panel and the software's >written for an 8080 so you can use their FDC with an 8080 or 8085 as well as >a Z80. Moreover, it's rock-solid. The fact that it uses a nearly >vanilla-flavored CP/M doesn't detract either. I've run into absolutely no >CP/M programs that won't run on it, while there are numerous utilities that >won't work properly on the more modern MPM-targeted boards I got from >Systems Group. Sorta. It doesn't support type ahead, circular iterrupt driven buffers for fast serial devices and relies on CPU PIO. It's low end. The only thing it does do is double density and SSSD 8" interchange (sometimes). >What you refer to as skew is what I call the interleave, while a sector skew No I'm using the DRI term out of their books. I know its interleave. >is a difference in sector numbering from idex, used by some systems (mostly >early DEC actually, but some truly random-access systems as well) to Actually DEC has a two level one for VT180, interleaved 512byte physical sectors and interleave inside the sectors. It's one of three formats that were used for that though that was least common. >If it's not the stuff from DRI, it's not relevant, since it's not CP/M. Your really looking to ignore progress, and even DRI supplied mods? >I'll admit that's a weakness, but for now, I'm happy to deal with CP/M only. >AFAIK, DRI didn't issue any patches to v2.2. There were several enhanced If you insist. >That's true, BUT, when you have a two-stage boot, you can examine the second >layer boot system, and, in fact, have to in order to avoid getting tangled >up in discrepancies between the boot tracks and the directory and data area. Ok but what systems usually use a two stage boot? Few and nearly none. >> storage. You will have to figure out from that a lot of things that are >variable and can still end up as the same answer. >> >In fact, I don't believe they have to be "figured out" at all. After all >the diskette is in the drive. You just have to look at it. See my example of the 781k disks. Two of them would defy simple inspection. >It does get much more messy when you try to squeeze speed out of the system >in ways the ultra-slow CPU doesn't let you appreciate, but when I said >optimal, I meant for the technology of the time, which meant, at least to >me, getting the most hard disk space to fit into the parameters the system >would allow, without overly restricting either effective space utilization >or directory space. That seems to have been the key tradeoff of the time >... allocation block size versus number of directory entries. One other Not really a big deal was made of it as few had real world expereince and were trying to scare up a few more bytes of the drive they paid so dearly for and then never filled more than 50%. The other half was hard disks were new things to have to deal directly with so there was an aura of mystery to setting values. The only thing that ever and still concerns me is the ALLOC vector as for a 8mb logical drive with 4k granularity there will be 256 bytes of ram for just for that, add 512 for a host buffer, 128 for the directory buffer local variables and you eaten 896 bytes for the first drive and about 256+ per drive and that is non recoverable space. That is the only real problem. Add that to a featureless base driver and it's an easy 2-3k of space for the bios more if it's a real bios. >factor was swtiching heads rather than moving the head stack. The heads >take at least 3 ms to move from track to track, plus 8 ms on the average, to >rotate half a rev, while switching heads took about 40-50 microseconds on More than that as the ST506 didn't do (nor did the controllers of the time) fast seeks. You had to wait for the ST225 for that. Stated average access time is 178mS for st506, St225 was a more resonable 73 and the Quantum D540 took that to a mere 57. The D540 could look faster though with it's 8 heads as you didn't shuffle far and the voicecoil actuator was fairly fast. >the early Seagate ST506's. The trick, to me, was always finding a way to >computer head, cylinder and sector from the CP/M sector number you were >given by the BDOS without having to swallow up half a KByte in lookup >tables. Floggin. One the drive was filled to about 30% and had been in use for a while you were moving around a lot and there was little trickery that helped at the drive level. I didn't kill space in lookup tables. It was simple to me. The 4 heads and the 16 512 byte sectors per track were handled as SPT of 256 in the DPB so the BDOS would hand back a logical sector on a track with head number in there too. I treated the four sides as one logical track. A few right and left shifts would give me a head (upper two bits) physical sector (middle 4bits) and logical sector index into the physical sector (lower two bits). The CYLINDER was passed as track by the BDOS. Obviously it was quite compact. If you build like DRI, Cortesi or Laird said you hit the wall every 16k as where ever you are your going back to the directory where ever it happened to be and that took a long time. The first drive I had(still have turns 20 next summer) was a 506. It was slow, the controllers were slow and the only up side is some would buffer a full sector for you saving CPU timing. I stopped using it when I got my second hard disk a D540, in real life it was much faster and introduced me to the problem of partitions. I moved up as the drive was available and offered speed, even with 6mhz z80s the ST506 was ponderously slow. It was only exceeded by an 8" Memorex 102 I gave away working, CTRL-C was a real wait and a kick to watch the head creap back. Allison

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VCF 1 Midwest

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>Hope to have the event here in the Twicities after the snow leaves ext >spring (2001). Still looking for more volunteers to help with the work. >Also talking with some companies about being cash sponsors for the event >along with prizes to give away. That's about all I want to give out >right now until I have things locked down, but more to come. >John Keys Another words you are planning it for June? I remember when I moved to Duluth MN, I figured I was safe with Memorial weekend. Wrong it snowed while we were unloading the truck. Dan

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scanned manuals

by richard＠idcomm.com

Opportunity knocks! I broke my left (prosthetic) foot last weekend and the replacement didn't make it here today as scheduled, so I'm going to be on my gluteus maximus for much of the weekend. If I've offered to scan a document for you, please remind me, and promptly, because I'm going to be busy catching up on chores, etc, after my broken foot is replaced. I'm looking for a widely accessible site on which to store these documents, but I think the 1 MB/page TIFF's are a mite big for that. Perhaps someone would like to recommend a site? Let's NOT fight about the format, though, all right? Dick

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VCF 4.0

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

> >John Keyes, where are you? I was wondering that myself. Francois

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You might be a VMS Bigot if.....

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Hehe - I've got another version of this on my wall behind me ATM and it has these extra lines: When you hear the word 'runoff' you don't think of water Your first reaction to a supposed problem is not to reboot the system You can complete a 10-hour EDT session without looking at the keypad but stare at the telephone to dial a number You don't think 'fubar' is obscene To you, the phrase 'NT CLUSTER' is humorous You kow that there's something fishy in the Pacific North-West AND IT SURE AIN'T SALMON. > -----Original Message----- > From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com] > Sent: 03 October 2000 21:36 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: You might be a VMS Bigot if..... > > > I was trying to find the order number for the OpenVMS > V7.2-1/Alpha update, > and came across the following little tidbit. With all the > VMS traffic here > the last few days I thought a few people might enjoy this. > I'm sure a lot > of you have seen this before.

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OFF-TOPIC Re: Re[4]: You might be a VMS Bigot if.....

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > The lack of so-called "vulgar" language in one's vocabulary demonstrates a > > fundamental lack of maturity. > > I would say that depends very heavily upon one's definition of the word > "mature". I can report, without regret, that I'm unlikely ever to be > "mature" by that definition - and I was born in 1962. > > (I will admit the caveat that a fear of using "vulgar" language, in the > *very rare* situations where it really is appropriate, is also not > necessarily healthy.) In both speech and writing, we're taught that we can use transitional phrases to help the flow. "Alternatively,", "On the other hand,", "As you might expect,", and so on.... Kind funny, Dad seemed to pick up that G-D this and M-F that were transitional phrases, rather than adjectives. This would have been understandable had he been a sailor, but he was an M.P. in the Army. As a small consolation, I always preferred to think that he was reaching for words when he was p-o'd instead of reaching for a club or a gun. Such language is referred to as "intemperate." But at what point does a lack of temper leave off, and righteous indignation begin? Now, without a doubt, when he was p-o'd at my brother and I, this was intemperate, as we could *never* have been guilty of anything that would lead him to "righteous indignation"... ;-) -dq

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Ziatech

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Did these single board computers run some flavour of u**x? I was putting in a big Alpha Cluster at a very large aluminium manufacturer from Canada's local plant around 3 years ago and I'm sure they were using Ziatech kit to run the monitoring probes on all the potlines....they'll be pleased to hear they've gone bust! > -----Original Message----- > From: Marvin [mailto:marvin@rain.org] > Sent: 06 October 2000 16:45 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Ziatech > > > > Anyone familiar with Ziatech? I was just checking some back > email and found > a liquidation sale going on last May. They were located in > San Luis Obispo, > CA and IIRC made single board computers. >

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test message - please ignore

by jwest＠mppw.com

Test on new mail server. Please ignore (classiccmp) Jay West

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