- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> >I don't know anything about VMS. > >VMS boots and all, but it does not recognize my framebuffer and so won't >run DecWindows yet. How do I fix that? Read "HELP DECWINDOWS" The boot process does not have to recognize the framebuffer, you run DECWINDOWS as a process. FYI it's possible it's not installed. >Of all the drives I've tried, the only one that worked was an old Quantum >210mb. I'd like more flexibility. Any hints on what I need to do to a >drive to make it run on this machine? They generally are 'seen', but VMS >bombs when I try to install. Gotta INIT them first. >Even though I've got cdrom drives that are jumperable for 512byte blocks, >none worked properly but the original RRD40 which is slower than molasis I have two toshibas 2x scsi that work killer so maybe the CDrom is ????! >in February, the only RRD40 we have got, and it requires some wierd cart I >don't have. The only way I can change cd's is to disassemble the drive, >draw the disk out with hemostats, and slip the replacement in. You need a tray, they can be found. it's not that unique. >Basicly, I need a primer on VMS, and someone to corrospond with who knows >his/her stuff. Try the HELP utility, if that cant answer you question then try here. Really, it's kinda cryptic just like manpages but once you get into them you find a lot of info. That and a grey wall is handy too (VMS DOC set for V5 is grey binders about 10 linear feet of them some 17 volumes.) Allison

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motorola Exordisk III with 2 8" floppy drives FS

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

See "http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=466646805".

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Intel MDS disk drive for auction

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

See "http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=466646805". He wants $100 opening bid which I think is about 10x to much but if you're desperate.... BTW you MUST have the proper controller cards and software to use these. The MDS's DO NOT come with a controller for the dual drives. The single integrated drive is contolled via the I/O control card and it will not operate the external drives. Joe

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SCSI-based floppy drives (3.5 or 5.25)

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, Is there any SCSI-based *floppy* drives either in 3.5 or 5.25 (3.5 preferred) format? I might need one for a project I am working on... Ram

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VAX Ethernet (was Re: IDE on Qbus (was Re: Microvax II))

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> >Well my recent (last night) experience suggests that what you remember is >true. I was refitting my BA123 with a CPU, 8Mb of PMI memory, my one-and- >only DEQNA and an RQDX3 and stuffed into it a bootable RD54 from a VS2000 >that happens to have VMS 5.5 and some stuff to fire up a LAT server and >clustering. The startup bitched mightily about the presence of the DEQNA >and casual reading of the error messages seemed to tell me that VMS 5.5 >cluster manager did *not* like it one bit. the DEQNA went unsupported because of clustering. Part of the problem was packet errors that required a driver that encapsulated data to insure the errors would be caught. That was a huge perfomance hit on eithernet which by disk standards then was slower, and didn't need further slowing. That added to the DEQNA being an really old PDP-11 design that outlived a lot of revs (L5 is the last I know of) meant a newer and less cranky design was wanting. I'd not use it in a cluster unless I had to but V5.5 was when clusters started to protest (they can be forced). >Because the machine is standalone at the moment, I didn't pay much attention >to it all. Eventually, I do need to get something working with Qbus and >Ethernet (so I can begin to make physical backups of some 9 track tapes I >have sitting here). I'll have to either stuff a KDA50 in this beast and >use my MDA SDI<->ESDI box (dual 1.2Mb disks) or hang a couple of RD53s >off the RQDX3 and limit myself to one or two tapes at a time before shooting >them down the pipe. Don't cluster them, make it peer to peer and it should go fine. >Ah the good old days... Look at the bright side... unlike winders we know what the solution is, winders may also have that knowledge in 10 years. As if we'd care by then. ;) Allison

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Free Intel MDS

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I was searching for more info on the Inel MDS and found this ad for a free one. "http://www.dazed.org/blazermate/". There just one hitch, it's located in NSW, Australia. I don't know any more about it. If someone picks it up leet me know. Joe

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VAX Ethernet (was Re: IDE on Qbus (was Re: Microvax II))

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > Isn't there an issue with VMS obsoleting the DEQNA? > > > I suspect (without justification) that the DEQNA works fine on later > processors, but that DEC have simply not tested it and aren't prepared to > state definitely that it works. I'm not worried about processor compatibility (although I have personally been down the road with the VAX-4000 line and how DEC violated their own earlier Qbus specs because the newer processors got too complicated and too far away from direct bus control... several older cards don't play well with, for example, the TLZ04 controller because it grabs the bus for too long and they timeout) What I'm concerned about is OS compatibility. I have a mix of VMS 5.0, VMS 5.5 and VMS 6.2 stuff here. Essentially, I want the newest stuff I can get and still have the DEQNA work with it. Ultimately, through DEC layered products or third-party products or whatever, I want to have a Qbus VAX with TCP/IP over Ethernet so I can spin up various older media and perform physical backups to a machine that can cut CD-ROMs. I'd rather not push this quantity of data over a serial line - it'll take a stunningly long time. I'm talking about a closet's worth of old media (16MT9, RK05, RL01/2...) Several CDs worth. Not what I want to push over 9600 baud. Is there any sort of driver compatibility chart for VMS running around anymore? Thanks, -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

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VAX Ethernet (was Re: IDE on Qbus (was Re: Microvax II))

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- ajp166 <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> wrote: > Cheap as far as I know. The key thing is despite claims if the DEQNA > you have is working, whats the rush to dump it. Isn't there an issue with VMS obsoleting the DEQNA? > ...take any DEQNAs you can get from free or nearly so. This one was free, as was the uVAXII it was in (RA81, KDA50, 9Mb, etc) -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

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Perkin-Elmer (was Re: AT&T 6300 PC)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> wrote: > > Is that a SystemIII box with dual 68000 processors, > > > > -ethan > > > Actually, it only had a single cpu. (10 mhz). Ran SysIII (UniPlus) > SysV (microXelos -- which had it's root in UniPlus SysV), and Idris. Mine has SysIII/UniPlus. Got all the docs and disks, too. > The dual cpu stuff at the time was done by Sun (I think) and Masscomp > (their 500 series stuff). My apologies for not being clearer... IIRC, there are two 68000 CPU chips in the box. One runs the OS, the other is part of the memory management system. Since the 68000 itself (not the 68010 and up) does not save enough information on a page fault trap to restart instructions, the way I was told the Perkin-Elmer worked was to have the other CPU kick in on a page fault, load the page, then somehow automagically get the main CPU to resume without loss of information, etc. Perhaps it holds off DTACK during a page fault, then releases it when the page is ready to go; I don't know any technical details and I never did anything with the kernel on it. I was just a user then an admin. The hairiest thing we ever did to the box was to replace a power supply and an HDA. This sort of gyration was obviated by the 68010 since it _did_ fully support virtual memory. Old Suns went that way, as did the NCR tower I have. I remember sticking in the '010 into my Amiga 1000 for the 5% performance gain that came from the two instruction cache/loop mode enhancement. Very few programs after AmigaDOS 1.2 used the now-supervisor-mode MOVEcc instructions and in any case, there was an OS patch to add a trap handler for that (but I digress wildly). We got the Perkin-Elmer because it was a) cheap b) 68000-based. I'm happy to have rescued it at the end of its useful life eight years ago. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

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New finds .... 2 HP-85's!

by r.stek＠snet.net

Sometimes the gods do smile upon us... Last week ebay had someone from the Hartford area put up a pallet of old computer / office "stuff." Just wanted to clear it out of an old warehouse that was about to be rented again. Since it was local I was able to preview it - 3 old PS-2 towers, 3 older VGA monitors, a Mac II, some answering machines, lots of power cords and cables, etc. Not much I wanted, so someone from Washington (state) won the lot for about $15 (and good luck with shipping!). I had a brief conversation with the guy who was selling off this stuff and told him about my interests in really old computers. He said that he had taken home an HP-85 laser jet printer which worked. I told him that I didn't think that it was the right model number. But he said it was definitely a laser jet printer. He called me yesterday and told me it was really a LJ-III, that his son wanted a color printer, and would I be interested in it for $50 since he had just put a new toner cartridge in. I called a friend who wanted it, and went to pick it up today. When I arrived, he said he figured out why he called it an HP-85. He then took me back into the warehouse and showed me TWO HP-85's, covered in dust and grime, plus 3 unopened boxes of thermal printer paper, 2 rolls to a box, plus two 3-ring binders marked HP 80 series. He asked me if I wanted them. How could I say no? Turns out that the docs are two copies of the manuals for an HP-86B, but I am not complaining! Those beasties are heavier by five pounds just due to the accumulated dirt and grime. It will be several weekends from now before they are clean enough to even think about a power-on smoke test. In the meantime, is there anyone out there who could trade some HP-85 docs (or copies) for my HP-86B docs? What kind of tape cartridges do I need? (as if I think there's a chance in hell that the drives will still work!) Never having used one of these before, any advice or comments are welcome. Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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New finds .... 2 HP-85's!

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

Or you can visit the Sanctuary (my very own site) at http://people.mn.mediaone.net/fauradon/index.html and check the "Tech Info"-> "BASIC" part for 7 pages of HP-85 BASIC Syntax Francois >can use the 86 books for the 85. There's a chart posted at >"www.ebbsoft.com" that compares the HP85/86/87 features. With it you should >be able to figure which commands will work on the 85 without too much >difficulty. HP-85 manuals are hard to come by. > > Joe > >

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TRS-80 PC-2 Printer/cassette interface

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Hello, Does anyone have a need for a printer/cassette interface for a TRS-80 PC-2, Tandy cat# 26-3605? I've had one that I picked up a while back, but it's just taking up space. I believe I have the A/C PSU for it too. I believe it works, as it did when I got it, but I have no way of testing it currently as I don't have a PC-2. If interested, drop me a note. Jeff -- Power Computing PowerCurve, 400mhz G3, Mac OS 9.0.4 Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems: http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

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Perkin-Elmer (was Re: AT&T 6300 PC)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> wrote: > Parity error on /dev/brain Core dumped. The damned Unix Perkin-Elmer > box limited them to 15 sectors/track. (WD 1001 controller) > > 'Course the RLL took em to 25 (IIRC). Is that a SystemIII box with dual 68000 processors, input buttons below the monitor? If so, I happen to have one of them. We used to use it as a code safe and C compiler for 68000-based projects. Model 7350? (Not sure at the moment and it's in storage somewhere). Fun box for its day. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

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MS Laugh-In

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >I take it the market doesn't yet trust W2000 and SP3 will be > a while yet. > > Most people have no desire to update their OS from W95 or W98, not broken > don't fix it attitude. Standing in line, and paying full price for beta > software has lost its chic. Stability is currently more popular than > features. And that right there is the primary benefit of Windows 2000. Stability. But that's OT until 2010, so to get us back on topic: Kaypro 2000 very heavy, very slow, looked nice tho... -dq

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Vax 11 -7/80 (plus equipment)

by tarsi＠binhost.com

At 12:33 PM 10/18/00 -0400, you wrote: > > On EBAY there is an 11 7/80 (currently 6 cents). The guy has no where to > > put it and hopes someone can pick it up. It's located in Greencastle IN > > > > Anyone? > >This is a very large system, right? 72-inch cabinets, 220v 3-phase juice, >etc? I ask because it's relatively close. *drool* Wish I was close. :) Tarsi 210

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Dumping vs. selling vs. recycling (Long)

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Dumping vs. selling vs. recycling One of our local high schools has a "clothesline sale" every year. Everybody donates all year long. The students get the first purchase chance, alumni second, general public third, and then all you can carry for $5. I sort, price, sell the computer/electronic stuff. If you really want the stuff then you will pay the asking price or take the risk that someone else will. When the price drops you have the chance again. Finally its $5 and it's yours. Lastly its off to Goodwill, or the computer surplus exchange. I guarantee there is nothing but trash in the dumpsters. Most of the obvious stuff sells fast, the older stuff or something that needs repair may take awhile. Since they have to pay to have the dumpsters dumped by the trash service most of the stuff we can recycle we do. The biggest problem is that items may not be obviously valuable unless you know what you have. We had a Grid in a magnesium portable case that was priced $10 because of no power supply. It went for $5 eventually. I was a little late the other day at the surplus and a HP MO disk jukebox went to China for 7 cents/pound. All of the stuff to China must be salvage so they had sledgehammered it. I did pick up two 3B2's for 10 cents/pound. I need to check the surplus every week, no vacations allowed. I'm of the belief that once you dump it, I'm saving you money by taking it out of the trash. I know that most trash haulers charge the customer by the pickup and then they pay by the cubic yard at the dump/landfill. I think we can all agree that what we have here is a redistribution problem. The cost is shipping to redistribute you trash/my treasure. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Microvax II

by ncherry＠home.net

I am the proud owner of a Microvax II (in addition to the 2 at work), thanks Carlos. I have it safely home, unfortunately it will be idle for a while as the garage needs to be cleaned, a bunch of construction needs to be completed before I have time to play (probably January!). Anyway I now need to find out as much info as I can about the beast. Does anyone have the link to the part number translation? Where can I get the pin outs for the card ports? Are there any docs for writing device drivers? The reason for these questions is that Carlos gave me a rather interesting board. It contains 1 68 pin DIP with TRW on it (I'm betting it's a Moto 68K chip). It also contains a bunch of TTL, DAC's and what look like op amps (I have to check the numbers). It also has an unusual RF connector but has no ROM or RAM. Any idea's? Am I going to need a scratch monkey? BTW is it easy to design boards for the Microvax. This Analog board seems really simple. Designing an intelligent SCSI board wouldn't be a lot more difficult (I didn't say anything about the Vax driver). -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)home.net http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)

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Vax Station 3100

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Oct 17, 2000; Neil Cherry <ncherry(a)home.net> wrote: > I just got my VS3100 and it has no drive (I expected that). It has a part > number of PM20A-AB. It has ~16M of RAM, a Video ram sim and nothing else. > What do I have? What RAM can this beast take? How large a drive can it take? > The only other marking are BA42A and CPU KN01. And then after some list discussion, he wrote: > So now I'm really confused as to what I have. You mention the number PM20A-AB. That is the model number for a DECstation 3100. Given the assumption that is what you actually have, here is some info. The DS3100 will take up to 24mb of RAM using 2mb SIMMS, model no MS01-AA, part number 50-19464-02. AKAIK, that is the only memory module you can put in it. Just behind the memory is the video frame buffer. It is either a VFB02 mono, or a VFB02 color (p/n 54-19469-01). There is a mounting plate over top of the motherboard where you can mount RZ2x drives and an RX23 floppy depending on which mounting plate you have. For some other info on the DS3100 see: http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/pmax/models.html An excerpt from that site: Maximum of 24 MB RAM in 2 MB pairs (memory part number MS01-AA) 1024x864 framebuffer option module, either mono (with memory part number VFB01) or 8-bit color (with memory part number VFB02). Both provides 16x16 hardware sprite cursor SII SCSI-I controller with obscure external connector (HONDA68 male; wide SCSI-3-like, but other gender) AMD LANCE 10 Mbit Ethernet interface with switchable AUI and BNC connectors DC7085 four-port serial chip (DZ-11 clone) Two MMJ-6 serial ports, with maximum speed of 9600 baud. One port has partial modem control, the other has none. DIN-7 connector for mouse and MMJ-5 connector for keyboard. (An adaption-connector can make these ports usable as RS-232 serial ports with no modem control.) > The only other marking are BA42A... This is a SCSI expansion box for mounting RZ5x drives and various tape drives (TZ30, etc.). This box is generic enough that is usable on other DEC machines, as well as other brands. Are there any drives in the BA42, which by the way is aka SZ12 I have never heard of any other OS other than Ultrix, and according to the above URL NetBSD has been ported to it. Mike

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NEC APC available

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Charles P. Hobbs <transit(a)lerctr.org> wrote: On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Mike Ford wrote: > > > Hah! the local GoodWill computer store got nailed last year and now must > > buy a copy of windows for EVERY PC they sell. > > Gee, even a Mac? Only if Bill Gates gets his way.

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SCSI-based floppy drives (3.5 or 5.25)

by KFergason＠aol.com

One on EBAY at the moment. Item #468816857 Know nothing about it, just happened to see it. Kelly In a message dated Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:52:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ram Meenakshisundaram" <rmeenaks(a)olf.com> writes: << Hi, Is there any SCSI-based *floppy* drives either in 3.5 or 5.25 (3.5 preferred) format? I might need one for a project I am working on... Ram >>

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Fwd: IBM PC Needs New Home

by jfoust＠threedee.com

>X-POP3-Rcpt: jfoust@threedee >From: "Bob and Jennifer Usher" <jlazyb(a)fone.net> >To: <jfoust(a)threedee.com> >Subject: IBM PC Needs New Home >Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:54:48 -0600 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 > >Dear John, > I was pleased to find you on the Web under "computer rescue." We have an IBM original PC that needs a new home. Below is a letter that my husband (retired IBM) sent to a local museum which declined to accept the donation. Would you be interested or know of anyone else who might be? > >Dear Mr. Westley: > >Thank you very much for taking the time to speak with me by phone recently regarding the IBM personal computer that I would like to donate to your museum. Before you meet with your Acquisitions Committee, I thought it might be helpful for you to have a thorough list of the items I propose to include in the donation. > >As I told you over the phone, the system unit (processor), the monitor, the keyboard, and the dot matrix printer are all in their original packing cartons and will be delivered to you this way. In addition, we have all of the original documentation that was provided with the machine still in original packaging as well and floppy disks containing software. In going through our paperwork, we discovered that we also have, and would be happy to provide to you for historical purposes, the original invoice for the purchase, IBM product announcement brochures, a complete list of IBM personal computer products and retail outlets (as of 1981), details of the purchase plan, and some print-outs of BASIC programs that ran on the computer. > >To recap the history of the computer: When IBM first announced the release of personal computers early in 1981, it was clear that IBM employees would want to be among the first to purchase them. The company had a long history of employee purchase plans for its office equipment, so a program was developed for employee purchase of the new personal computers, too. Because it was anticipated that a large number of employees would want to buy PCs immediately, a lottery system was developed. All IBM employees throughout the country who wanted to be in the first group of purchasers turned in their orders in October of 1981. All orders received were then scheduled for delivery based on the outcome of the lottery. My shipment was scheduled for October of 1982, about in the middle of all of the employee deliveries for that first round of purchases. I was living in Chicago at the time I placed the order, but was transferred to Tampa effective in October of 1982, so we stopped at Compute! r La nd to pick up the computer on moving day as we were driving out of town. The next year I was transferred to Boulder and eventually retired to my present home in Mancos where the computer is now. > >I hope this information is helpful to your committee. If you or they have any further questions, please feel free to call me at 970-533-9060. > >Sincerely, > >Bob Usher > > By the way, John, who are you? Do you "collect" computers for yourself or an employer? How would you put this one to "use"? > > Hope to hear from you soon. > >Sincerely, Jennifer Usher

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Who collects (reads the mailing list...?) vintage computers in Quebec, Canada?

by claudew＠sprint.ca

Hi Sometimes I think I may be the only vintage computer collector in Quebec, Canada. I would like to hear if anybody else does any collecting around here (Montreal area) I have yet to find anybody to trade or talk collecting face-to-face anywhere around here even if I have posted on several montreal newsgroups that I am looking to buy/trade this kinda stuff... When I mention I collect vintage computers, people look at me like I am due for a trip in the "wacko wagon"... Computers are tough to find here (not like california...) I have managed to accumulate/fix/restore approx 50 micros (all working) from the 197x-198x early 1990's...lotta books, software and peripherals... Those who feel sad for me can send me their Lisa's, TRS model IIIs and Next boxes ;-> ...things I will probably never find around here and I refuse to purchase them on ebay for a zillion bucks... Thanks for reading Claude

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I need PDP-11/34A Help Again (Suprise Suprise)

by univac2＠earthlink.net

First off, I'd like to thank you for all the help you have given me. I had to take a break from the PDP-11/34 for a while, but I'm back now. I think the computer is working OK now, but I still can't get the printout on the console. I double checked the settings on the DL11-W. When I turn on the computer, the RUN light flashes for a split second, and the readout reads 000002. How do I examine and deposit? I'm using a LINK terminal emulating a VT-100. I set all the communication settings to match the DL11-W, but what do I do with these settings: Main Rcv Hndsk Main Xmt Hndsk Main Rcv Level Ignore 8th Bit Communications Mode Disconnect I've tried this with a Null Modem Adapter, and without. Any ideas? Thanks, Owen

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VAX Ethernet (was Re: IDE on Qbus (was Re: Microvax II))

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- ajp166 <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> wrote: > > Crystal CS8900 Ethernet > > DELQA What are DELQAs going for these days? All I have is a DEQNA. :-( Also, are there any VAXBI experts out there? I have a DEBNT that did not come in my machine and I need some help with installing it (where the cab kit plugs into the I/O section of the VAXBI bus, especially) -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

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VAX Ethernet (was Re: IDE on Qbus (was Re: Microvax II))

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> wrote: > > Remember the discussion of a few days ago. Well the rule for VMS > > is DEQNA is not obsolete, just unsupported. > > Seriously? I have this vague memory of VMS 5.5 turning off the deqna > interface and not paying attention to it because it was unsupported. > This may have been when we were trying to boot the uvax II from the > cluster server though. And it's been almost 10 years now, so I may be > misremembering the whole thing. Well my recent (last night) experience suggests that what you remember is true. I was refitting my BA123 with a CPU, 8Mb of PMI memory, my one-and- only DEQNA and an RQDX3 and stuffed into it a bootable RD54 from a VS2000 that happens to have VMS 5.5 and some stuff to fire up a LAT server and clustering. The startup bitched mightily about the presence of the DEQNA and casual reading of the error messages seemed to tell me that VMS 5.5 cluster manager did *not* like it one bit. Because the machine is standalone at the moment, I didn't pay much attention to it all. Eventually, I do need to get something working with Qbus and Ethernet (so I can begin to make physical backups of some 9 track tapes I have sitting here). I'll have to either stuff a KDA50 in this beast and use my MDA SDI<->ESDI box (dual 1.2Mb disks) or hang a couple of RD53s off the RQDX3 and limit myself to one or two tapes at a time before shooting them down the pipe. Ah the good old days... -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

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R.F. Interference (Was 48V)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> > Off Topic: Shortwave radios. I have gotten hold of an ICOM PCR-1000, >which is the actual 'radio' parts of a modern full-coverage receiver, > > www.icomamerica.com and look in 'recievers' for more info. > I checked on it and by my standards, mostly useless. It would have to be very quiet to make a ~2uV senstivity useful and it has no SSB/ISB capability. Allison

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INtel MCS-86

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Does anyone have docs for one of these? I have the kit but no docs. Joe

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Bulletproof hard disks

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> Subject: Bulletproof hard disks Loved it! >Military-style, high-velocity ammunition allows multiple shots at the >target - frequently without having to re-set the target after each shot. >This is because they pass cleanly through the drive without losing much >speed, and the rounds do not expand. A .308 is pretty hard on a st412 at 50yds. For spectacular effect, 30yds with 12ga 7/8th ounce remington slug. That 1100fpm truck not only goes through it, the remains end up an innch or two into a hardwood log. >Very small calibers provide greater target longevity but increase the >possibility of ricochets and knock the drive over every time. >A .22 will not penetrate a monitor's business-end and it is unsafe to try. >Use large calibers for monitors. Try a .22 remington magnum. >Pick up after yourself when you are done shooting. This includes brass as It's a good thing. Allison

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MS Laugh-In

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> >>I take it the market doesn't yet trust W2000 and SP3 will be a while yet. >> >>Allison > >No... Win2k doesn't play all the games yet... What do you think SP3 will do... move the video and io to ring 0 oh yes thats been done before. ;) Allison

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Vax Station 3100

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> Subject: Re: Vax Station 3100 >What I was told when I did this was that drives bigger than 1gb won't work >properly due to firmware limitations. I chose a 1gb IBM drive (if memory >serves) and loaded the latest version of VMS from the hobbiest CD, which is >much less picky about drive firmware than previous versions. It works fine. Most of the older 3100s will work with up to 4 or 8gb drives with a "but". the limitation is the bootable patition must staart in the first 1gb with for VMS naturally occurs and the biggie you accept the fact that if the system crash dumps the address wraparound in the first gb will kill the bootable media. A reasonable approach is a 500-1gb SYS and any size under 4 or it it 8gb for user and other "stuff". >> This beast will be the drives for my Microvax ii until I get an IDE >> card in it. until you make one that is. Allison

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Who collects (reads the mailing list...?) vintage computers i n Quebec, Canada?

by KFergason＠aol.com

You could always look for Johnny Altairseed... <ducks and runs....> In a message dated Tue, 17 Oct 2000 4:02:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> writes: << > bountiful classic computers where Altairs are picked off trees. > Hey - you suppose I could have some seeds for that tree? *ducks* g. >>

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Who collects (reads the mailing list...?) vintage computers i n Quebec, Canada?

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

I've occasionally come across some other collectors here in Ottawa but old stuff is very scarce for any of us in Canada. Feel free to email your want list just in case. Perhaps it will inspire the rest of us to do the same. Swapping stuff locally sure beats fighting Canadian Customs and the lousy US$ exchange rate. Arlen Michaels -- Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com Nortel Networks, Ottawa, Canada > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude [SMTP:claudew@sprint.ca] > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:46 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Who collects (reads the mailing list...?) vintage computers > in Quebec, Canada? > > Hi > > Sometimes I think I may be the only vintage computer collector in > Quebec, Canada. > > I would like to hear if anybody else does any collecting around here > (Montreal area) > > I have yet to find anybody to trade or talk collecting face-to-face > anywhere around here even if I have posted on several montreal > newsgroups that I am looking to buy/trade this kinda stuff... > > When I mention I collect vintage computers, people look at me like I am > due for a trip in the "wacko wagon"... > > Computers are tough to find here (not like california...) I have managed > to accumulate/fix/restore approx 50 micros (all working) from the > 197x-198x early 1990's...lotta books, software and peripherals... > > Those who feel sad for me can send me their Lisa's, TRS model IIIs and > Next boxes ;-> > > ...things I will probably never find around here and I refuse to > purchase them on ebay for a zillion bucks... > > Thanks for reading > Claude

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Speaking of cubes

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 12, Sue & Francois wrote: > This may be off topic but I just have to brag > I just received my cobalt cube today whoo hoo. > Its is not 10 years old yet but has just been made obsolete by SUN who > bought Cobalt a couple of weeks ago. > It's brand new never openned in the original box. > I just can't wait to setup my server. But I have to for now though. > That's it > Thank you for reading, you may return to your normal occupation now. Wait a sec. Something you said made me stop and think for a minute. YOU, an individual, own a thing. An action by a completely separate group of individuals far far away have magically made the thing you own *obsolete*? How is it that we, as a society, can have this happen? -Dave McGuire

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R.F. Interference (Was 48V)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> > It appears you have left off a '0' in the model number and looked up the >"lite" (read: mostly useless), albeit cheaper, version of the radio. >[PCR-100] The PCR-1000 has all common modes, filters from 500htz -> >500KHtz, and SSB sens [10dB S/N @ 2.8Khtz] from .56uV in the lowest >octaves to .25uV in the UHF ranges; FM [12dB SINAD @ 15KHtz] .5uV down to >.32uV. That is a bit more useful perfomance to my kind of thinking... Of course, how may kilobucks? Surprize me. ;) Allison

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VAX Ethernet (was Re: IDE on Qbus (was Re: Microvax II))

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> >> >> DELQA > >What are DELQAs going for these days? All I have is a DEQNA. :-( Cheap as far as I know. The key thing is despite claims if the DEQNA you have is working, whats the rush to dump it. If it's the only one you have then find a spare and prefered is DELQA, but take any DEQNAs you can get from free or nearly so. Allison

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INtel MCS-86

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Does anyone have docs for one of these? I have the kit but no docs. Joe

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Intel SDK-85 and SDK-86

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I have a pair of these that I picked up a while back. Does anyone have the docs for them? Can someone tell me what kind of ICs are supposed to be in sockets A17 and A24 on the SDK-86 board. The ones on mine are missing. Joe

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Fate of Dejanews Usenet archive...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At 02:44 PM 10/17/00 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > >Now, an unimagineable amount of message traffic, much of it > >having serious potential research use, is gone. > > This site says the approximately 16 million postings from > October 1996 to late 1998 consumes 592 gigabytes: > > http://www.archive.org/collections/index.html#Usenet Well, that's hopeful... > but of course earlier posts are much less space. > > http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/index.html has May 1981-1982. Of course, in those days, a lot of message traffic was on The Source and CompuServe (didn't The Source grow from what used to be called MicroNet?). Then later ('85-???), there was also BIX (Byte Information eXchange). I Miss BIX! > With 30 gig drives at less than $200... Our firm is looking at optical NAS/SAN in ranges from about 300GB to 1.24TB, but I doubt we'll be able to help host these archives...' :-) -dq

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Fate of Dejanews Usenet archive...

by jfoust＠threedee.com

http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2640446,00.html - John

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mac serial pinouts

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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Fate of Dejanews Usenet archive...

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:44 PM 10/17/00 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: >Now, an unimagineable amount of message traffic, much of it >having serious potential research use, is gone. This site says the approximately 16 million postings from October 1996 to late 1998 consumes 592 gigabytes: http://www.archive.org/collections/index.html#Usenet but of course earlier posts are much less space. http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/index.html has May 1981-1982. With 30 gig drives at less than $200... - John From Feb 11 2000 on this list: Several times in the past I've ranted to this list about my hope for a more ancient version of DejaNews, a web archive of old Usenet posts. Below is an e-mail I received from someone who has the start of an archive. He's searching for more volunteers for the project. I think this would be a tremendous resource for classic computer collectors and historians. - John To: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> Subject: Re: Old usenet news? From: Michael Stutz <stutz(a)dsl.org> X-Mailer: MH-E (emacs20) X-Url: http://dsl.org/ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:16:57 -0500 Sender: m(a)dsl.org Been thinking about a potential Usenet archive restoration project lately, how such a project might work. I don't think it's a one-man job -- too many people are probably going to have different ideas on how to store it, availability, interface, etc. This is what I think needs to happen: - there needs to be some kind of public discussion area for the project (like a newsgroup or mailing list) - a repository needs to be put in place, where people can send their archives. any size would probably be good enough to begin with, even a few gigs. hard drives are cheap now and it shouldn't be too difficult for someone to be able to get at least 10gb, which i think should be enough to at least begin assembling some of the old years, and whatever misc. stuff from pre-95 that people have? While I'm very interested in this, I don't have time to oversee or coordinate it. (I assume that you don't, either?) However, I've been assembling what notes I can -- URLs of known archives, addresses of interested people, related threads. I've begun putting all this together in html and plan on putting it on the web, just to make a convergence point for likeminded individuals -- maybe it might provide the impetus for someone else to begin such a project? Or at least get the attention of someone who has a 20gb hard drive on some ftp box at some university or organization somewhere, where some of the old archives could begin to be reassembled? (I'd think such a restoration project would make a great research project for someone, maybe?) As I think I mentioned before, I've got some archives from specific groups, and a lot of old threads and even single articles saved. If there was a coordinator and a system in place (even 1gb to start? or a box with access to a cd-burner or some other removeable media?), I bet a post to slashdot would draw in hundreds of people like me, or more, with their old archives. m P.S. On a related note, I'd like to see an open-source replacement for imdb.com happen, but again it's not a project I can take on right now.

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Fate of Dejanews Usenet archive...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2640446,00.html > DejaNews has been basically useless to me since they re-hosted everything, leaving out the USENET traffic pre-May 1999. What really sucks about that, once upon a time, many sites would keep archives of old USENET news traffic, usually the ones that had a lot of following at that site, or, groups which may have originated there. But when DejaNews started up, many of my favorite newsgroups lost their previous archival home, stopped archiving the feed, and just let DejaNews handle it. At first, that seemed pretty cool, but now... Now, an unimagineable amount of message traffic, much of it having serious potential research use, is gone. Meanwhile, people like Larry Ellison are trying to convince us that we don't need mass storage in our personal computers, Hell, that we don't even need personal computers at all. All we need is their web applicance. Yeah, right... -dq

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Paging Anthony Eros

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I haven't heard from him either, I had e-mailed him asking for his address so I could loan him my "Computer Lab Workbook" for his DEC Computer Lab.. odd.. Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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Paging Anthony Eros

by Anthony.Eros＠compaq.com

I was out of town for a couple of weeks (limited e-mail access) but I'm back now... -- Tony > ---------- > From: Will Jennings[SMTP:xds_sigma7@hotmail.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:03 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Paging Anthony Eros > > I haven't heard from him either, I had e-mailed him asking for his address > > so I could loan him my "Computer Lab Workbook" for his DEC Computer Lab.. > odd.. > > Will J > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. >

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NeXT MP3 player (was: Re: Dauphin DTR-1 running Ersatz-11)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Tim wrote: >Now, if only my NeXT could have handled the MP3s. That would have been >much cooler. http://www.this.net/~frank/download.html and look at NXMP3Play. Frank Siegert, the author, claims only to be able to do 22 kHz on 25 MHz machines. I haven't used it, but it looks pretty cool. - Mark

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Very large disk platters

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

In 1976 the University of Missouri picked up a early graphics display system. The heart of the system was a display controller which had a vertically mounted hard disk in a cabinet the size of four 72" racks. The graphics controller was in another cabinet that was also four 72" racks in size. The cover over the disk slid apart and the platter was exposed. The platter was about 4-5 feet in diameter. There was a vacuum pump to remove the air when the system was closed up. There was one head for each graphic display, you could change images by switching tracks. Someday I'll see if I can find any pictures. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu >From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >Subject: RE: Fleamarkets (was Re: A LART is needed (was: VCF 4.0)) >Fascinating, if it came from MIT is was probably part of the MIT >"Whirlwind" making it an extremely valuable artifact. Too bad you didn't >pick it up, I'm guessing it would fetch over $10K at auction. >- --Chuck >At 06:23 PM 10/16/2000 -0400, you wrote: >FWIW there was what must've been a 30" disk platter > at the MIT Flea this weekend, mounted on its > center hub. Never saw a disk larger than 14" > before. Didn't get the manufacturer but the > price was $40.00 and the seller was Frank Fink. > >John A.

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IDE on Qbus (was Re: Microvax II)

by phil＠ultimate.com

> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:49:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> > .... > Has anyone designed a quick-n-dirty Qbus IDE adapter? see ftp://digital.dp.ua/DEC/ata/ Files there; README.txt waq.zip - ATA/Q-bus adapter hardware description wau.zip - ATA/UNIBUS adapter hardware description wart.zip - Software for ATA HDD OS support (RT-11) warsx.zip - Software for ATA HDD OS support (RSX-11M and RSX-11M-PLUS) wavms.zip - Software for ATA HDD OS support (VAX/VMS) 'twould be great if someone could spin some blank boards, (and a bulk order for parts)!! My Qbus wish list; ATA disk interface BOOT EPROM or Flash Crystal CS8900 Ethernet 512KW SRAM SuperIO (ie; WinBond) or NS16550A (or eqiv high-speed, deep FIFO) UART for networking/kermit Floppy ctrlr (capable of driving Shugart 8", 5.25" 3") ISA Bridge

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Commodore 720

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

I don't seem to be finding much these days, so please excuse me showing this off. No keyboard unfortunately. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1166661&a=9401608 Hans

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OT but you have to read this: New Information on the Kursk

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

>Subject: New Information on the Kursk > >Some new information has come to light over the Kursk disaster. For those >with short attention spans, the Kursk was the submarine that blew up and >sank in the Artic Ocean killing all 118 on board. The Russians tried to >blame the incident on a collision with an unidentified object. However, >sonar tapes which recorded the blasts (a small one at first, then a much >larger one two minutes later) cast doubt on these claims. A whistle blower >within the Russian military has leaked that the crew of the Kursk was >testing a new type of torpedo when the accident occurred. It seemed very >likely that the test didn't go quite as planned. > >While rescue efforts to save the survivors of the Kursk failed, salvage >crews were able to recover a 'Black Box' from the submarine which contained >detailed accounts of the events leading up to the explosion. As luck would >have it, we got a copy of those tapes. > >It turns out that the submarine crew was trying to load Microsoft Windows on >their fire control computer. Their intent was to replace the aging CP/M >operating system with the flashier Windows OS. Apparently, the Russians >didn't know about the legendary stability problems exhibited by Windows. The >log tapes make this painfully obvious: > >Captain: Is new fire control Windows OS installed yet, Comrade? > >Seaman: Almost Sir. Just need to finish filling out registration card. > >Captain: Excellent. Soon is being able to point and click our enemies into >oblivion. >[evil laughter in background] > >Seaman: Comrade Captain! Is booting! Look, it says "Preparing to run Windows >for first time". >[long pause] > >Seaman: Arrgh! Sir, is wanting me to reboot again. That makes 27th time. > >Captain: Hmmm. Is not encouraging. Go ahead and reboot again. > >Seaman: Aye, aye Sir. >[another long pause] > >Seaman: Captain, is up again. Is saying it found new hardware ... A CD-ROM >drive and that is needing drivers. > >Captain: Where are drivers? > >Seaman: On CD-ROM. > >Captain: You are joking, right? > >Seaman: No Sir. > >Captain: Reboot damn thing again. I am starting not to liking this Windows. >[another long pause] > >Seaman: Sir! Is back! Is saying it found the Gorby2000 Torpedo and is >looking for device drivers. Do we have driver disk? > >Captain: I do not think so. > >Seaman: I will tell it to use default drivers. >[another long pause] > >Seaman: Crap. Is wanting to reboot again. > >Captain: How many times are we going to reboot today? Is taking forever. Our >hull is rusting out before this works. >[another long pause] > >Seaman: Sir! Is up and this time is not asking for anything! > >Captain: Really? No device drivers? No registration cards? No user profiles? > >Seaman: No Sir. I think is ready. > >Captain: Good work comrade. Now is clicking on the fire control icon and >letting us see how this works. > >Seaman: Is clicking now, Sir. >[another long pause] > >Captain: Why does fire control screen have dancing paper clip on it? > >Seaman: I have no idea, Sir. > >Captain: Hmmm, is trying clicking on menu. > >Seaman: Aye Sir. Is saying: Open E-mail, Spam a friend, Mail a Virus, Fire a >Torpedo. > >Captain: Is spamming friend later. Is firing torpedo now. > >Seaman: Aye Sir. >[another long pause] > >Seaman: Is asking us to load torpedo and to click when ready. > >Captain: Torpedo room, load torpedo in tube number 1! > >[intercom:] This is Torpedo room. Torpedo is loaded, Sir. > >Captain: Click on continue button. > >Seaman: Aye Sir. >[another long pause] > >Seaman: Is asking for target, Sir. > >Captain: Hmmm, is targeting Rainbow Warrior. > >Seaman: Aye Sir. Damn! Is saying torpedo is low on ink. > >Captain: Click ignore. We will get some ink when we return to base. > >Seaman: Aye Sir. We are ready to fire. > >Captain: Very good. You may fire when ready comrade. > >Seaman: Is firing torpedo, Sir. >[another really long pause] > >Captain: Well? > >Seaman: Am trying Sir. Nothing is happening. Wait minute.... >[a loud explosion is heard in the background followed by screaming on >intercom] > >Captain: WTF was that?!?!? > >Seaman: Captain! New screen has appeared! "Outlook Express Fire Control has >performed an illegal operation and will be shut down. "Click 'OK' to >continue." > >Seaman: Oh my God! Paper clip has died! What should I do? > >Captain: Is shutting it down! Is shutting it down! > >Seaman: Is not responding Sir! > >Captain: Try 'CTRL-ALT-DELETE'! > >Seaman: Aye Sir. We are in luck! Task manager is still operating. I am >instructing task manager to shut down Outlook Fire Control. >[another long pause] > >Seaman: Task manager is saying that Outlook Fire Control is not responding. > >Captain: Well, no shit. Tell it to 'end task.' > >Seaman: Is happening nothing, Sir. > >Captain: Is trying 'CTRL-ALT-DELETE' again. > >Seaman: Aye Sir. >[sounds of frantic pecking on keyboard.] > >Seaman: Oooh! Is pretty blue screen! > >Captain: Holy Shit! Not Blue Screen of Dea.... >[KABLAM! A really big explosion. More screaming and the sound of rushing >water.] > > -------------------------------------------------------- > >The tape ends at this point. > >During the week long rescue effort, divers reported hearing tapping in the >form of Morse code coming from survivors inside the damaged sub. The >rescuers couldn't understand why a group of men would spend the last of >their strength tapping out "Windows sucks" in Morse code. The tapes of the >last moments of the Kursk may offer some insight into this. > >

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Red Erasors, contacts, and gold revisited

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Hi Doug > I don't clean. I get the feeling they may be talking > about silicone glue and not the grease. The oil is about > as non-corrosive as anything that I've seen. > On my boat, I use it on light sockets and any connections > I make. The only failures I've had are the original connections > made by the manufacture and previous owner. You do want to > apply it to a clean surface. Any salt covered over will still > be salt. Anyway, it make me wonder. Well, they did say "under the right conditions", what they didn't say is that those conditions are (maybe) only found in a lab... ;-) -dq

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