- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> This is a rampent disease out there, the idea that network access > is fast and always there means they (VENDORs) can skip docs, > final patches, updates by mail or a lot of other things we pay for. > I had to camp on Allaire to send a CD as they wanted me to > download the eval version of their CF4.51product, it's way to > big for a modem, even at 56k. HP dumped STAC (or did STAC > fail?) and I find out when the backups on the T20I travan failed. > Find that on the web site... nope. WE BUY this crap, that why > it is pandered. I subscribe to a package of Windows add-ons called Object Desktop >from a company called Stardock (a former OS/2 ISV), and they are using the Internet as delivery vehicle. Since these components tend to be relatively small, the model works. OTOH, the main reason I'm not using IE 5.5 is that if Microsoft doesn't have enough faith in the product to burn it onto a CD, I'm sure not spending my limited bandwidth downloading it. I did, however, download a 43MB demo (SurfScout) via our V.90 link a few days ago. As more sites implement restartable down- loads, it's not so bad... But I'm in basic agreement with you. regards, -dq

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I'm running at work w95osr2 with aha2906 on a scanner for one box and my > desktop is a full house K2-350 (make sure you have the K2 patch) with > CDburner sound and all. It's a configuration issue usually PLUG and > PRAY trying to sort out resources. And make sure you don't install the K2 patch on a Pentium-II! > >There will always be some OS rivalry based on XenoOSphobia. But, > >most people who hate windows are not unfamiliar with it--rather, > >they hate it because they are all too familiar with it. > > ;) W95 is one of those. I use it or the like and kind as the world > has gone that way and compatability is important. I'm not satisfied > after working with TOPS-10, CP/M, RT11, RSTS and VMS as my > models of what can or should be. Robustness is something I prize > as well as somthing well known flawed or not. Agreed... however, with Windows 2000, I'm starting to feel like I'm actually working with something that's as professional and robust as the mainframe/mini OSes of my halcyon youth. I just wish I couls find someone sufficiently familiar with its more sophisticated features that I could bounce some (probably stupid) questions off of... regards, -dq

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Vax 11 -7/80 (plus equipment)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On EBAY there is an 11 7/80 (currently 6 cents). The guy has no where to > put it and hopes someone can pick it up. It's located in Greencastle IN > > Anyone? This is a very large system, right? 72-inch cabinets, 220v 3-phase juice, etc? I ask because it's relatively close. -dq

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Mac II question

by cem14＠cornell.edu

At 05:23 PM 10/19/00 -0400, you wrote: > >> There is also one 72 pin SIMM socket in the mainboard next to the >> cache slot (which is where the accelerator goes). I wonder what it is >> for... > >It was meant to be used for ROM upgrades, but Apple never issued any. > >-dq Oh, so that was it. Thanks for the info! One thing that I am wondering is how you expanded the memory beyond 32 MB. Did Apple sell >4MB 30pin SIMMS? If there are any, they must be incredibly rare... I've never even _heard_ of them. Carlos.

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October RCS/RI open house

by aw288＠osfn.org

I am sorry for the late reminder, but... It's VAX month! This Saturday, the 21st (only a day away!) We will be celebrating the 20th birthday of the VAX-11/750, and will be running an early example of the machine, running an early version of VMS (3.0, I think). We will likely also have some smaller VAXen running as well, plus two larger systems on static display (Intergraph 8550 and VAX 6220). We are in downtown Providence, RI. For directions, see our page at: http://www.osfn.org/rcs/directions.html Someone should be around the Mill starting around 10 or 11, and we will likely be there all day and into the night, with a break for dinner around 6. We will also be purging some of our leftovers (micros, mostly) from our Flea Market last month - prices range from cheap to free (with just about everything being free at the end of the day!). See you there... William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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MS Laugh-In

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I'm told that the principal difference between W98SE and ME is that you > can't install ME without first registering it. I haven't tried it, so I > don't know whether that's really the case, but . . . They've supposedly added this now to Office 2000; if you skip the registration, it launches 50 times, then quits working. And of course, if you complete the online registration, it "phones home". Now, what if you have neither a modem nor other network connection? I wonder if it allows the "print out form and mail in" registration. If so, that's one way to skin a fat cat... (not that I'm suggesting piracy, just suggesting not going along with the flow). -dq

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Donate complete Apple II sys? (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

Complete Apple //e system up for grabs. Please contact original sender. Reply-To: goldman(a)martnet.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:58:15 -0400 From: Jim Goldman <goldman(a)martnet.com> To: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> Subject: Re: Donate complete Apple II sys? Hi, Man of Intrigue. Sorry for the delay responding. It's a //e with the extra memory card to 128K. I traded my ][+ for it shortly after the //e became available. It's about 20 miles from Philadelphia. -Jim At 06:18 PM 10/16/00 -0700, you wrote: >On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Jim Goldman wrote: > >> I would like to donate a complete Apple II system >> including disks, modem, monitors, joystick, paddles, >> books, software... the works. And it works. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Who remembers CDC Plato?...run it again on a cyber at home...could it be done?

by claudew＠sprint.ca

Hi I grew up having access to the Plato system at the University near my home. A neighboor was a chemistry teacher there and knew I was interested in computers and gave me access to a bunch of stuff at the university and I guess CDC's Plato was the most fun. I went on to write a few games for the system when I was about 15-16 (1980) in that "tutor" language. I spent a lotta time on that system...A lot...It was like an early "internet" with network games etc...that thing was great! The other night I was thinking that since I have now about 85% of the "home" microcomputers from the 197x-198x I should go on to something different...I guess running Plato here at home would be wicked...not really usefull but great fun for me... Now I never the saw the hardware running Plato. I only know that it used a CDC cyber. So I am thinking... What Cyber ran plato? How big were they?(I heard of huge! Did not find any pics on the internet of one...) What are my chances of fiding one? And the plato software? (slim I guess...) If I remember well, there was a emulator for the IBMPC to run a plato terminal....no touch screen but still...anybody remember this?...that could save me from having to look for an old "plasma" terminal like they called them back then... Thanks for reading Claude

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Enough already! (was: Re: MS Laugh-In)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tim Harrison <harrison(a)timharrison.com> >Sellam Ismail wrote: > >> This is the second reference I've seen this week to complaining about >> Linux crashing. I find this to be ludicrous. > >I don't. I've been using Linux since the early 1.x kernels. I've found >it to crash quite often. If you do certain things to prevent that, it >crashes *MUCH* less. Linux is a great server, as long as it does a >specific task, and that's it. If you make it do too much, it starts to >suck. That's where Solaris blows it off the map. For stability FreeBSD, for apps and a more user friendly interface Caldara. I have mixed feelings with Linux, one is the many flavors that make them somewhat distinct and my general feeling of disinterest in it save for it works well for the price. It's been my expereince that correctly set up it's very good, and poorly set up it's about the same as winders. The upside on linux is that the box is open and you can look if you care to. Winders, is not open but that does not preclude a black box approach to working with it and even tuning it. A well thought out winders system can work well ,even if the idea of planning out winders may seem like an oxymoron. >Not so. Ever just clicked repeatedly on the back arrow in Netscape >4.75? If you hit one of those pages that won't let you use the Back My solution to NS4.75 is not to use it! 4.08 is lighter and far more stable. >not to. Why would you make this guy feel stupid for trying out Linux? >You should be praising him, and helping him along when he has problems. This is true for Windows too. Or CP/M, PICK, Ultrix .... >And to the original poster, my apologies for you having to endure this >tirade. I applaud your efforts, and your willingness to tinker, and >compare, and decide for yourself. Like everything if I could have an OS per task or project I'd use many if they worked and played well with each other or shared a common platform. Like I said Some flavor of unix in the back room does work, for the desk where people have to be trained and do real work W9x works. There are projects I'd love to have VMS for but, it's not cheap (commercial use). Then again I've scorned PC hardware for years as flakey at best till I started seriously using it and building decent systems even if they aren't cutting edge. Going in with attitude generally looses. Allison

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BA23 w/RA70

by dburrows＠netpath.net

Yes Dan -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:33 PM Subject: Re: BA23 w/RA70 >Then the PDP-11/73 I've got is 22 bit? (I *think* it's a 73) > >g. > > >On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Daniel T. Burrows wrote: > >> The BA123 is 22 bit. I use one for a test bed and always keep a spare as I >> run it with the covers off and have fried a few power supplies over the >> years. The fans just don't do the job with all the covers off.:(. The >> BA123 is much nicer on the hands to swap boards than a BA23. >> Dan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:03 AM >> Subject: Re: BA23 w/RA70 >> >> >> > >Be very careful with that chassis! If it was really a MicroPDP, it will >> > >have an 18 bit qbus backplane in it. It will _destroy_ 22 bit qbus >> boards >> > >since there are power pins on the 18 bit bus that mate to data pins on >> the >> > >22 bit bus. >> > > >> > >Then again, my memory may be completely broken and I've got it all wrong. >> > :) >> > > >> > >g. >> > >> > I think you are remembering the BA11S and others. All the BA23's I have >> had >> > and seen have all had 22 bit backplanes. ( I have at least 15 BA23's at >> the >> > moment.) >> >> I think I was thinking of the BA123 I've got that IS a uPDP-11. (full of >> boards too *sigh*) >> >> g. >> >> >>

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Enough already! (was: Re: MS Laugh-In)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Neil Cherry <ncherry(a)home.net> >The Windows part is very true! I have a machine which has 32M of RAM >and a 2G disk with W95 and I save my work often as everything teaters >on the border of failure. Something is wrong. FYI that box must ahve at least 50-100mb of free space(more if MS office or office97 is there) on whatever drive the system swaps on. that or something is plain marginal. I have one system at work, get this, 486dx/50, 12mb ram, 1mb video (cirrus) and 500mb (st3660). It runs Win95osr2, word97, IE and OE on the internal net (using TCP/IP no netbeui), reliabily though slow! Old is not the factor here. >BTW: Linux will stress your hardware severely. If your hardware isn't up >snuff Linux will cause it to fail. But (in the same breath) Linux can That is true. It may not work with some devices as well. >easily run on systems where older versions of Windows will fail to run. >I can build a base Linux that will fit on a 50M disk (with swap). Heck >I can run my 3B2 on that (sorry no Linux for the 3B2). I've put W95, OE, IE networking and Word on a WD2120 (120mb) with 50mb free (allowing 16mb swap). There is nothing special about that and linix will fir in far smaller than 50mb (I have Trevors LRP floppy yes linux, routing and whatnot on ONE 1.44mb floppy). My first try with linus was on a 60mb IDE (slackware 3.0). >Microsoft products and other OS's. I've lived through Lan Mangler 3.5 >with OSI (I hate Domains!) though the various erosion of various protocols >bent towards Microsoft's use (and away from every one else's if they >don't use Microsoft). This is very true and painful for us that know the truth. Allison

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> And to keep the Classiccmp seramoanial (sp!) note going. >Also though unrelated in my opinion I refuse to grow up. Wasn't that " I won't grow up..."? Actually this is a fun topic even if way off. Allison

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Enough already! (was: Re: MS Laugh-In)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Ernest <ernestls(a)home.com> >I have mixed feelings about MS Windows/NT but first of all, I should say >that I've earned a quite a nice chunk of change supporting MS products both >because they used brute force to make their product the office standard >(plenty of IS jobs,) and because their products are so faulty to begin with. >Should I be thanking them, or cursing them? It's an enigma to me. ;) it gave me yet another career to lure me from my beloved analog. >Windows is great. I believe that it's because, through my years of >supporting it, and working with it, I've intuitively learned it's >limitations. At my office, the machines that I purchase and setup myself are >stable. This is because I research what software plays well with Windows and >avoid that which doesn't, and because I choose hardware that I've learned to >trust -like Asus, and 3com. I'm immediately suspicious when someone calls me Very good point. it all has to work together. VMS has an advantage as the hardware and software are married (least for the vax!). >cases, reasonable to me. The user is a beginner or a moron. They loaded some >stupid screensaver or badly designed piece of freeware. Or the computer Common problem, deleting something or worse moving to nowhere useful. >itself is just to old to run the newer software that's been loaded. In my >experience, these are the most common reasons for crashes. Occasionally, Funny thing most of my systems are P166MMXs and only 32mb ram with good IDE drives of adaquate size, crashes are uncommon for some and very common for others. Why, every hear of Crystal Reports, to name one peice of crap that is part of some large payroll companies package (begins with A,,). >there's a broken video card or bad memory chips, or a power fluctuation but My pet problem especially wiith older boxes those IDC connectors after about 5 insertion/removeal cycles get real flakey. >maybe 1 in 15 times is it what I believe to be a problem with Windows or >it's design. When someone's computer crashes, they love to blame Windows but >how often is the problem really with Windows? Possibly always but there are >a lot of variables to consider when you place the blame. Good point. I had a winbox get nasty about finding the mouse due to a bad power connector! No other problems, just wanted to find a PS2 mouse despite having a 9pin generic. >howls of agony in the distance? I want to like Linux, and I do like it but >it's got it's flaws, just like Windows. Right now, I would recommend Windows Linus is not for the novice computer user or as I call it "not yet ready for prime time" Otherwise it's fine. Allison

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BA23 w/RA70

by oliv555＠arrl.net

Well I've got this empty BA23 and enough boards to put together a MVIII/kda50. What I don't have is the RA control panel. My question is, can the RA70 be set up to run without it? If so, what jumper/sw settings? The box may be an earlier model, badged microPDP11, so I have to wonder if the VAX, 2 mem bds, kda50, RA70, RQDX3 (for the RX33) and a DELQA would be too much for the P/S. nick o

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Enough already! (was: Re: MS Laugh-In)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Enrico Badella <enrico.badella(a)softstar.it> >years that Linux kernels have crashed on me, while my NT SP6 now that I've >added a soundblaster live has the tendancy of giving me a BSOD quite >frequently. How can NT with MS audio drivers crash? This is only >acceptable if you are doing your own drivers or hacking the kernel. I had the same problem on my servers, killed the audio in the bios and it persisted. The 4mb Trident AGP video driver was bad news. Since it's a server I used the MS PCI XGA and it worked much better. However, even with the BSOD, the system was still serving pages! I didn't like the BSOD but the system was still intact. The audio and video drivers in NT4 live in ring zero (low protection) to make the gamers happy. NT3.51 didn't do this and was far less prone. Better video and audio drivers often solve the problem. My solution is keep the games, audio and high end video off the NT box I want it robust. Put those things on a W9x crate and play there. >From a commercial product I would expect a reliability at least as Solaris >or VMS (well here I've asking probably too much) ;) >Have you every though about docs? If you don't ave resource kit, that kit >other kit there is no way to get info about processes running un a NT box. Lessee, NT, three finger salute hit the correct tab and you get data and can even stop or kill them from there if they are not protected. there are utilities out there. Check Tucows! >At least on unix you can do a man xxxxx. who knows what smss.exe or csrss.exe >do? Even if you do know what they do what can you do about it, with it? Allison

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MS Laugh-In

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>Richard Erlacher wrote: >> >> I'm told that the principal difference between W98SE and ME is that you >> can't install ME without first registering it. I haven't tried it, so I >> don't know whether that's really the case, but . . . >> >> Dick I have, and it cant register as the systems it was put on have no modems nor does the interanet they are on conect to the internet. Runs just fine. >have to register in order for it to keep working. I actually >opened and quit Word 50 times to see what happened. It refused >to keep working. So I registered, and it asked me whether I agreed >to provide information about my computer to MS so that >"they could offer me better technical support in the future". >Needless to say, I refused, but I wonder how much the managed to find >out about me in the process. I'd heard about that and refuse to buy Word2000. Very simple, the machines I manage cannot and will not talk to the outside. MS has to fix that. This is a rampent disease out there, the idea that network access is fast and always there means they (VENDORs) can skip docs, final patches, updates by mail or a lot of other things we pay for. I had to camp on Allaire to send a CD as they wanted me to download the eval version of their CF4.51product, it's way to big for a modem, even at 56k. HP dumped STAC (or did STAC fail?) and I find out when the backups on the T20I travan failed. Find that on the web site... nope. WE BUY this crap, that why it is pandered. Allison

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Enough already! (was: Re: MS Laugh-In)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Carlos Murillo <cem14(a)cornell.edu> >For me, win95 crashed with just adaptec, 3Com, matrox and SoundBlaster Gold >cards. I'd hardly call these obscure brands in the PCI adapter world. I'm running at work w95osr2 with aha2906 on a scanner for one box and my desktop is a full house K2-350 (make sure you have the K2 patch) with CDburner sound and all. It's a configuration issue usually PLUG and PRAY trying to sort out resources. >>admit that it's because I don't know what the hell I'm doing, when I use it. >>Does that mean that Linux is designed badly? If Linux is so great, why is >>there an almost daily alert in my inbox from bugzilla, reporting some >>security risk or other newly found flaw? Often if linux or any fairly stable OS crashes it's a bad app or driver. Video drivers are often the worst save to the minimal ones and they may drive the latest 16meg video. W95 suffers as its level of file and memory protections is light and apps can bust it. Treat it like dos (no protections) and pick your apps right and W95 is amazingly stable. One comment, if you have an app the breaks check for patches, often they do exist and really help. >1) There will always be more bugs/security flaws _reported_ for Linux > because the user base is more demanding (after all that's why they're > running Linux) and because more people will be checking the open > source for problems. That doesn't mean that Linux is more bug-prone; > just that reporting is better. The issue is granularity, fine bugs vs glaring booboos. >2) Bugs actually get fixed (quickly) in Linux. > >See, the Linux mentality is that we'd rather discover the flaws so we >can fix them. The MS mentality is: let's put crap out and hope that they >don't find the holes, and, if they do find them, we'll tell them to upgrade >to the next generation of winblows. Only if the flaw is bad enough, we'll >release a patch. MS is very slow on patches and they can be hard to sort out but they are effective. >There will always be some OS rivalry based on XenoOSphobia. But, >most people who hate windows are not unfamiliar with it--rather, >they hate it because they are all too familiar with it. ;) W95 is one of those. I use it or the like and kind as the world has gone that way and compatability is important. I'm not satisfied after working with TOPS-10, CP/M, RT11, RSTS and VMS as my models of what can or should be. Robustness is something I prize as well as somthing well known flawed or not. Consider this: Stable mature systems we know how to use. That doesn't mean DOS6.22 is bad only we know it's limits and can deal with them effectively. >But MS won't be patient with you. Until we see some real competition, >they have the upper hand: they can put crap out, and it will be bought. I think their testing has to reflect the increased complexity and that other apps are popular and used. Allison

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New finds .... 2 HP-85's

by r.stek＠snet.net

To all who replied.... many thanks. One of them had a 16K memory Module (so I guess it's an 85A) and a ROM drawer with an I/O ROM and a Mass Storage ROM and a HP-IB Interface. I took a chance after some initial cleaning and powered one up. It worked! But the keyboard has terrible bounce! It appeared that the printer wanted to print but without paper in it, I don't know if it does. I plan to disassemble it for a more thorough cleaning, including removing all the keycaps and cleaning out the innards of the family of dust bunnies living there. More weekend cleaning chores! I will order the CDROM with the manuals - that's the easiest way to get docs. Are new tapes still available? Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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IBM Series/1 Minicomputer

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Ah, well then based on my experience with IBM winchester drives.. it's actually a metal box containing a smaller thing that is the actual drive itself.. its probably like 100 or so lbs. disk and 50 some pounds box... To move my 5360 (System/36) inside, I pulled the two disk drives out (200MB, 14"), and each one only weighs about 70 lbs... However, that cuts 170lbs >from the weight of the 5360, which weighs about 600 or so lbs. Even with large drives, don't forget that the HDA is often removable... this greatly eases moving RA80's and the like.. Of course, for cartridge drives, you're screwed. But I'm fairly certain the Series/1 uses a winchester, probably a series 62 variety drive, which is an 8" critter. Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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anyone in LA?

by eric＠brouhaha.com

I'm looking for people in LA to assist with a computer resuce in Newport Beach on Saturday. If anyone might be able to assist, please send me email. I've tried to post the details to the list three times in the last twelve hours, and the posts don't get through, though my other posts have. I can't figure out if there's some strange conspiracy, or if an over-zealous spam-filter has run amuck. Thanks! Eric

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Mac II question

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> There is also one 72 pin SIMM socket in the mainboard next to the > cache slot (which is where the accelerator goes). I wonder what it is > for... It was meant to be used for ROM upgrades, but Apple never issued any. -dq

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Mac II question

by b.layer＠vikingelectronics.com

Hi, >According to AppleSpec '98, those specs belong to the Mac LC II, not >the IIc series (which is the IIcx and IIci). The IIcx and IIci have >no on-board RAM, but have eight 30-pin sockets that can take the >machines up to 128MB (but on the IIcx you need extra software to >use anything larger than 32MB). You're right - brain confused the LCII and the IIci series. Oops. Bill Layer Sales Technician <b.layer(a)vikingelectronics.com> +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 <http://www.vikingelectronics.com> +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century"

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MS Laugh-In

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> If you were to get the idea that I'm fed up with what the republicrats > in the US Congress (more aptly named the "Parliament of Whores" by > P.J. O'Rourke) are doing for^H^H^Hto us, you'd be absolutely right. If > you want lower taxes and sane public policy, vote Libertarian. Right arm! -dq

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Mac II question

by cem14＠cornell.edu

I found a nice Mac II yesterday with Natl. Instruments HPIB, 20MB memory, Asante NIC, and framebuffer. What makes it special is that it has a Daystar accelerator that plugs in the 68020 and MMU sockets; the accelerator has a 68040 @ 33Mhz. I had not planned to keep any NuBus machine (I'm tossing stuff out due to an impending long trip), but, since I have the Natl. Instruments software for the HPIB card, and some other interesting Nubus DSP cards, I am tempted to keep it... so I thought I'd ask some questions to help me make up my mind. Does anybody know more about this accelerator? What kind of performance does it yield compared to, say, one of the later Quadras? Are there basic differences in the I/O and bus architecture that will prevent the 68040 from reaching its full potential on a Mac II mainboard as opposed to a 68040 in a Quadra? Do Quadras have faster SCSI? Also, the machine has two floppy drives; how do the Mac II drives rank among those found in Apple machines in terms of usefulness/durability? Thanks for your suggestions, Carlos. -- Carlos Murillo-Sanchez email: cem14(a)cornell.edu 428 Phillips Hall, Electrical Engineering Department Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853

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computer rescue, Newport Beach, Sat. Oct 21

by eric＠brouhaha.com

[Reposted again, as the first *two* times the message didn't seem to go through, though my other posts did. Is there some strange conspiracy?] Is anyone in the LA area available to help with a rescue of a large computer system in Newport Beach on Saturday, Oct. 21? A friend and I are arriving at John Wayne airport at about 9:15 AM. We'll take a taxi if necessary to the Budget Truck Rental location in Newport Beach. We're supposed to start loading the truck around noon, although we might try to start earlier. There are three pieces each about the size of a VAX-11/780 (i.e., 60 inches tall by 46 inches wide by 30 inches deep, and about 1100 pounds). There are also about six large disk drives. There may be other stuff, but it probably won't be big and heavy. The place where the equipment is being picked up has a loading dock. In theory all we have to do is roll from the currently location down some hallways to the dock and into the truck. But in practice things are never as easy as one expects, which is why I'd like to find some additional help. Thanks! Eric

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Mac II question

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > My plan now is to > >beef up the IIci with the accelerator, more memory, a video > >card and I'll have a neat, small 68K-based Mac II to play with. > >I will be limiting the mac side of my collection to a Classic II, > >an SE/30, the accelerated IIci and an 8100. > > Does the accelerator solve the memory addressing problems in the IIc > series? These models have 2MB of RAM built-on , plus two 30-pin sockets > which will take 4MB SIMMS. Problem is, even with two 4MB SIMMS installed, > the machine will only recognize a total of 10MB of RAM, not the 12MB that > is physically present. According to AppleSpec '98, those specs belong to the Mac LC II, not the IIc series (which is the IIcx and IIci). The IIcx and IIci have no on-board RAM, but have eight 30-pin sockets that can take the machines up to 128MB (but on the IIcx you need extra software to use anything larger than 32MB). regards, -dq

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SCSI-based floppy drives (3.5 or 5.25)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 18, 10:47, Ram Meenakshisundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any SCSI-based *floppy* drives either in 3.5 or 5.25 (3.5 > preferred) format? I might need one for a project I am working on... The well-known ones seem to be the flopticals made by Insite (20MB SCSI-1, but can also read/write 1.44M and 720K floppies). They turn up from time to time, usually quite cheap. However, TEAC made a 3.5" SCSI floppy (with motorised eject) -- sorry, I can't remember the TEAC part number -- which SGI used in some Indigo workstations. They also used it in an external box for Indigos and Indys. DEC made an adaptor for RX23 (3.5") drives, which I know works wth generic 3.5" floppies (I've got one somewhere); there was also an adaptor by a German company called Eltec. BTW, SCSI-2 should work fine on a SCSI-1 system. You just won't get some of the extra twiddly SCSI-2 features. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Vax Station 3100

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Yesterday, in response to Neil Cherry's post on his DEC machine I wrote: > Just behind the memory is the video frame buffer. It is either > a VFB02 mono, or a VFB02 color (p/n 54-19469-01). Correction: the mono video frame buffer is a VFB01 Later Neil Cherry <ncherry(a)home.net> wrote: > According to message I found during a web search, I may have purchased a > lemon. It states that the machine won't boot without a keyboard and mouse. > Well I don't have any. I'll have to hunt them down and then load *BSD. To which Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> wrote: > No idea on mice, but I still have some LK201 and LK401 DEC keyboards. Hey Neil, given your 'lemon', some water & sugar: Lemonade! I have also got some spare LK201's. Also buried deep somewhere is a couple unused hockey puck mice still in the original box, and they lastest haul included a bag of hockey pucks as well. Also adding his two bits was "Sean Caron" <sean(a)techcare.com> and he wrote: > You may have read about the insidious mouse port dependency on these > machines :) > These systems must have either a mouse or a "mouse port terminator" > installed on them to boot NetBSD (and others, perhaps) from the graphics console. I think > more information on them can be found on the NetBSD/pmax Web site, or you could > also probably look it up by typing something like "DECstation 3100 mouse > terminator" into your favorite search engine. Here's the info: : How can I run a DECstation without the display? : (From the Ultrix FAQ found at ftp.digital.com) : To turn a DECstation 2100/3100 into a DECsystem 2100/3100 you need to: : 1. Remove the Graphics board, keyboard and mouse. : 2. Put a mouse loopback connector in the hole for the mouse plug. : The loopback connector part number is: 12-25628-01 : To make your own: : Short Transmit data to Receive Data, pins 2->4 as shown in the diagram. : (view looking at the plug). : 5 6 7 : o o o : 4 o === o 1 : o o : 3 2 > I'm not sure if its a problem if you boot the system off a serial console > (which, incidentially, you can do; just hook up a terminal to the port with > the printer icon next to it and flip the little DIP switch S3 on the back > of the system - then you don't even need a mouse, keyboard, or monitor). Sean, here I will have to say: Huh? There is no DIP switch on the back of a DECstation 3100's. Is this something on the back of a VAXstation 3100? If so, I thought we decided this was a DECstation 3100. > Unfortunately, unless you have a MMJ terminal (VT3/400 series) you'll need > to either buy or build a converter to break out MMJ to something more > useful. The only problem is that (out here, at least), MMJ plugs are just > about impossible to find and the converters (MMJ->DB25) cost $25 from DEC. > Ouch! Ouch is right, never knew DEC wanted that much. Maybe I need to take my shoe box full of 'em to my safe deposit box. ;-)) And then Neil Cherry wrote: > 2 ways around that problem, minor surgery (exacto blade) or major surgery > (remove MMJ and solder in appropriate 6 pin RJ outlet). I think I'll > start with the exacto first. Actually there is a 3rd method I'll try first > and that is the exacto the RJ11 plug so it no longer has the tab on it. Neil, if you want to use a PC as a terminal and need one, I have a couple spare MMJ cables. Or in case you want to 'roll your own' I will post a 'fact file' on MMJ. I have posted it here in the past, but probably not a bad idea to post again. Mike

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BA23 w/RA70

by dburrows＠netpath.net

The BA123 is 22 bit. I use one for a test bed and always keep a spare as I run it with the covers off and have fried a few power supplies over the years. The fans just don't do the job with all the covers off.:(. The BA123 is much nicer on the hands to swap boards than a BA23. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:03 AM Subject: Re: BA23 w/RA70 > >Be very careful with that chassis! If it was really a MicroPDP, it will > >have an 18 bit qbus backplane in it. It will _destroy_ 22 bit qbus boards > >since there are power pins on the 18 bit bus that mate to data pins on the > >22 bit bus. > > > >Then again, my memory may be completely broken and I've got it all wrong. > :) > > > >g. > > I think you are remembering the BA11S and others. All the BA23's I have had > and seen have all had 22 bit backplanes. ( I have at least 15 BA23's at the > moment.) I think I was thinking of the BA123 I've got that IS a uPDP-11. (full of boards too *sigh*) g.

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Vax 11 -7/80 (plus equipment)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Heh, yes, it definetly is in my price range, but what would I do with 2 11/780's? I only really need to have one... Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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Vax 11 -7/80 (plus equipment)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Neil Cherry <ncherry(a)home.net> wrote: > > > On EBAY there is an 11 7/80 (currently 6 cents). The guy has no where to > > put it and hopes someone can pick it up. It's located in Greencastle IN > > > Anyone? > > A little too much heavy metal for me. > > Then Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> wrote: > > > This is a very large system, right? 72-inch cabinets, 220v 3-phase juice, > > etc? I ask because it's relatively close. > > Define 'relatively close'. Well, Indy is a straight shot from here up I-65; Greencastle is a bit to the west of Indy. Going up Indiana 60 to Indiana 37, then to Bloomington, then up US 231 to Greencastle, just a nice day trip. But Cliff wants it, so Cliff gets it (hopefully)... > And "Clint Wolff (VAX collector)" <vaxman(a)uswest.net> chimed in: > > > No! Don't do it! :) > > > I'm hoping to win this one... I may have to sell some of my > > junk to make room for it, but sacrifices must be made... > > Hey Clint, when you drive over to pick it up, stop by and pick me > up. I live just off I70 about 40 minutes from there. I'll either help > you load it or remind you how nuts we all are. Then on the way back > we can stop by my place and 'balance' the load with some other VAX stuff. > God knows we could all use some 'balance', ey? Ah, another Hoosier.... ok, I live in Clarksville, down here in Kentuckiana. But I really don't want any more big iron anyway until I can get my Prime 2455 running again. I was midway through a project of transferring files from magtape to a PC when the PSU died. Additionally, I'm seriously thinking of running it as a space heater. regards, -dq

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SCSI-based floppy drives (3.5 or 5.25)

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com (Pete Turnbull) wrote: > DEC made an adaptor for RX23 (3.5") drives, which I > know works wth generic 3.5" floppies (I've got one somewhere) Roger Ivie <rivie(a)teraglobal.com> wrote: > The DEC adapter also works with 5.25" high density drives. The DEC SCSI adapter is p/n 54-19288-01, and it is used with a mounting bracket p/n 74-39094-01. This mounting bracket provides a place to mount the SCSI adapter circuit board as well as the RX23. The RX23 is connected to the adapter with cable p/n 17-02221-02. Mike

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Boxed Apple //c available in Vermont

by vcf＠siconic.com

There is a guy named Charles in Vermont (the Junk Giant) who has a boxed Apple //c, boxed Apple //c monitor (the little cute one with the stand) and a boxed Imagewriter printer. He wants to sell it. I told him $60 + shipping would be a fair ballpark figure for the lot. Contact him directly at <junkgiant(a)juno.com>. He's a nice guy. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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NeXT question

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

I need to test a few NeXT monitors, and I assume that I can not hot swap the monitors, what with the Power button turning on the monitor and the kb and mouse going through the monitor. Am I thinking correctly here? I was thinking about building a breakout box for the monitor, sort of a 'Y' cable thing with only the video going to the second monitor. Of course the first thing I need is three 19 pin D connectors. The connectors are not listed in catalogs, DigiKey, Jameo, Altex, etc. Were these connectors custom made and only used in the NeXT? Anybody ever seen 19 pin used elsewhere or have any idea where I might find some? I had originally thought I would just wait until the testing turned up three bad monitors and then use the connectors out of those. I then decided to build the breakout box before I get started. Sort of a Catch 22, I need to find three bad monitors to build a breakout box to test the monitors. Mike

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Does anyone collect old software?

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Zane <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote: >> What's "direct access?" > Basically you start with a selection of items, and when you select one it > allows you to either run an app or go to another menu (not sure how deep you > can go on menus). Has at least some sort of password protect on stuff, as I > recall though not terribly secure. The phrase 'not terribly secure' is being nice. Given a password of 1234 whose bits are 01000001 01000010 01000011 01000100 The password was stored in a config file with the characters of the password reversed 4321 and IIRC, the bits were reversed also. 00100010 11000010 01000010 10000010 I worked in a TV Studio years ago and the production manager was a butthead. When he wasn't around I would go to the computer in the main office and pop in a floppy and reboot. The autoexec ran a program I wrote which decoded the passwords and wrote them to a file on the floppy and then rebooted the machine bringing it right back into Direct Access. It was months before he caught on. Mike

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Vax 11 -7/80 (plus equipment)

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Neil Cherry <ncherry(a)home.net> wrote: > On EBAY there is an 11 7/80 (currently 6 cents). The guy has no where to > put it and hopes someone can pick it up. It's located in Greencastle IN > Anyone? A little too much heavy metal for me. Then Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> wrote: > This is a very large system, right? 72-inch cabinets, 220v 3-phase juice, > etc? I ask because it's relatively close. Define 'relatively close'. And "Clint Wolff (VAX collector)" <vaxman(a)uswest.net> chimed in: > No! Don't do it! :) > I'm hoping to win this one... I may have to sell some of my > junk to make room for it, but sacrifices must be made... Hey Clint, when you drive over to pick it up, stop by and pick me up. I live just off I70 about 40 minutes from there. I'll either help you load it or remind you how nuts we all are. Then on the way back we can stop by my place and 'balance' the load with some other VAX stuff. God knows we could all use some 'balance', ey? Mike

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Mac II question

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Does anybody know more about this accelerator? What kind of > performance does it yield compared to, say, one of the later > Quadras? Are there basic differences in the I/O and bus > architecture that will prevent the 68040 from reaching its > full potential on a Mac II mainboard as opposed to a 68040 > in a Quadra? Do Quadras have faster SCSI? Don't know about the accelerator, Daystar is either out of the Mac business altogether, or at least not making accelerators anymore; Sonnet resells some Daystar stuff; a web search should yield more info. Quadras vary significantly in their apparant speeds; we've had Quadra 605s (an LC-II class machine, 16 or 25MHz 040 sans FPU), Quadra 700s (Mac IIci form factor, 25MHz 040 w/FPU), Quadra 650s (33MHz 040 w/FPU), Quadra 800s (80MHz 040/40MHz bus w/FPU) and the similar Quadra 840AV which has two SCSI busses (busi?) using a different chipset or on-board acrchitecture. But as a comparison, on some tasks, the 25MHz 700s are as fast as the 33MHz 650s; on other tasks, the 650s were faster. I have a Mac IIci at home with the Radius Rocket installed (mine is the 33MHz version). Different accelerator (the rocket has its own RAM and plugs into a NuBus slot); it is definitely not as fast as a Q650, and maybe not even as fast as the Q700. However, software was available called Rocketshare which made it possible to run the Mac in sort of an SMP mode. > Also, the machine has two floppy drives; how do the Mac II > drives rank among those found in Apple machines in terms of > usefulness/durability? The earlier 800k floppy drives weren't Superdrives (actually standard 1.44/2.0MB floppies), IIRC; I think the Mac IIci was the first with those. Not sure if a retrofit is possible. Mac owners tend to have been less sophisticated, and either never cleaned their floppy drives, or cleaned them wrongly; however, I've seen few that totally quit working. They usually just refuse to read floppies written on drives other than themselves. regards, -dq

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FS: HP 9845B with extras Attn: Canuks!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Who says there's never any good computer stuff available in Canada? There's a LOADED HP-9845B for sale on E-bay. The HP_9845 was HP's top of the line desktop calculator and it's a hell of a machine! It's located in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. "http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=472936502" Description HP 9845B HP 9845B Desktop Computer, with 98035A Real Time Clock module,98034A Revised 98034A HP-IB Interface,the green rom drawer with 98412A Option 312 I/O Rom, and the black rom drawer with I/O 98412A and Graphics 98411A roms, a 633 page manual called General Utility Routines, with 3 Program cartridge tapes, HP (2)98032A 16 Bit Interface Installation and Service Manuals, 98034A HP-IB Interface Installation and service manual, also a quick reference guide. The pictures below show the computer in a running mode, on a further power on, the fuse blew and that is the status of the unit now NON working. The unit is very heavy approximately 90 lbs and shipping will be around $130.00 depending on location. See the ad for pictures. See my write up about the HP 98xx machines at "www.intellistar.net/~rigdonj/9800.htm" for more details about the HP 9845 and other 98xx machines. Joe

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BA23 w/RA70

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>> The box may be an earlier model, badged microPDP11, so >> I have to wonder if the VAX, 2 mem bds, kda50, RA70, >> RQDX3 (for the RX33) and a DELQA would be too much for > >Be very careful with that chassis! If it was really a MicroPDP, it will >have an 18 bit qbus backplane in it. It will _destroy_ 22 bit qbus boards >since there are power pins on the 18 bit bus that mate to data pins on the >22 bit bus. > >Then again, my memory may be completely broken and I've got it all wrong. :) > >g. I think you are remembering the BA11S and others. All the BA23's I have had and seen have all had 22 bit backplanes. ( I have at least 15 BA23's at the moment.) Dan

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motorola Exordisk III with 2 8" floppy drives FS

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/18/00 4:56:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > motorola Exordisk III <A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=467562310"> eBay item 467562310 (Ends Oct-23-00 11:51:30 PDT) - motorola Exordisk III with </A> This is the correct link for the Exordisk. Paxton

25 years, 8 months

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Intel MDS Monitor

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Didn't some ne here on the list state that the monitor in their MDS was dead? If so, contact me, I've found two monitors in a scrap place. Joe

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SCSI-based floppy drives (3.5 or 5.25)

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi Jerome, It is not that I was trying to keep the project hush, hush. I thought most people would not be too interested in the dry details. The basic thing is I need a floppy media that is SCSI as that is the only disk interface I have. I am in the process of creating a truly standalone transputer workstation. Transputers usually use a host machine (PCs, SUNs, VAX, etc) for IO including disk storage, video, etc. I do not want to do this. I currently have a parallel port tram, video tram, scsi tram, ethernet trams, gpib tram and whole box full of computation trams. I am missing some pieces like the serial tram and the eeprom tram (which I need be able to do standalone booting). All of this is going to be housed using a PC motherboard which is only going to be used as a ISA bus chasis providing power for the cards. I am going to remove ALL PC related boards >from the motherboard. I could use a ZIP drive, etc, but a true floppy drive will make it more realistic. It is basically my version of the ATW800 atari transputer workstation, but only better (hopefully). Thanks for your help.... Ram

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forklift rental in San Jose, CA?

by dburrows＠netpath.net

If you have or can readily borrow a farm tractor you can use a boom pole. I have done this several times with some pieces that were pushing 1000+ pounds. Not quite as nice as a fork lift but it does work. I am currently keeping my eyes open for a fork lift attachment for a 3 point hitch. If you go this route make sure it is a good size tractor and it has a fair amount of front end weights. Expect to do all your turning with the brakes as there won't be much control with the front tires. This is from experience on a 60 HP diesel with 200 pounds of front wheel weights. Dan

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used items (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here is a guy in Columbia, Pennsylvania with some that needs to find a new home. As always, please contact the original sender. Reply-To: lizric(a)earthlink.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:25:9 -0400 From: Richard Mackison <lizric(a)earthlink.net> Subject: used items Hi I have a few items that you may or may not be interested in. TI-99/4A w/voice syn. plus some games, Laser 128(APPLE 11C clone), with software, 12" monitor 80 model BM7622 LA amber phosphor, and last printer Seikosha model SP1000. Every thing works and is in original box. Rick Mackison --- lizric(a)earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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VAX Ethernet (was Re: IDE on Qbus (was Re: Microvax II))

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Jarkko Hermanni Teppo <jate(a)uwasa.fi> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:58:58PM -0700, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > Also, are there any VAXBI experts out there? I have a DEBNT that did > > not come in my machine and I need some help with installing it (where > > the cab kit plugs into the I/O section of the VAXBI bus, especially) > > > > [In the case of 8350] Pull the BA-box out, open top-cover, choose slot, > insert card, flip BA-cabinet, remove bottom plate, check that the slot has > the ID-jumpers... Yep... standard stuff... > insert cables Ah! Here's the crux of my question... *which* connector of the appropriate slot gets the cable? It's easy for a KDB50 - it's all of them. > Seriously, that's the way it probably should be done. The machine I have is > suffering from some weird stuff, it seems KDB is faulty. If anyone wants to > take a look I have some EBUCA logs at > > http://www.tec.puv.fi/~s99137/kuvat/vax_logs/ I had a glance at them. Your KDB50 isn't showing up at all. How do the lights on the edge of the card go during power on/reset? You should, IIRC, see one amber light per card after a somewhat lengthy delay (perhaps it's only on the primary card) Also, the red edge LEDs should strobe when all is well. I know my KDB50 has always been flaky, even when we bought the 8200, used in 1989, for $13,000. What always seems to work is reseating the cards in the VAXBI blackplane. When it's acting up, it's obvious - the lights don't look right. Good luck with yours, -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

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Some HP 150 questions

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

Can anyone point me to a source for the non-PC compatible version of MS-DOS used on the HP Series 100 machines? I recently found a complete HP 150 system (the touchscreen monitor/processor unit, a dual 3.5" floppy unit, HPIB interface Thinkjet, and keyboard), but couldn't unearth any software or docs. I'm interested in the OS, as well as apps that will run on a 150. I'll pay cash, or am open to trades if I have surplus items of interest. Please reply off-list to gregorym(a)cadvision.com Also, is the 150's keyboard cable just a 6 pin straight through cable with the large phone type connectors (whose name escapes me at the moment)? Thanks in advance. Mark Gregory

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VAX Ethernet (was Re: IDE on Qbus (was Re: Microvax II))

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>Does the DELUA have the higher performance mode? I have the DEUNA and >DELUA manuals, and see very little difference in the interface. Those are unibus (non Qbus) and outside my expereince beyond knowing one of the two is better than the other but I forgot which. Apparently they are very different inside despite the common interface. Allison

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Beginner into Micros, etc.

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> I guess I'm looking for advice from the list members to whom > this stuff is "old hat". How you shop around for systems of this nature, > how easy it is to interchange hardware, where you manage to find your > systems, what to look for, what to avoid. Things like that. I think the most important thing for the new collector is obtain "Complete" systems. Trying to restore an unfamiliar system by piecing together componets can be quite trying. I rarely collect a new system unless it has the OS, and ALL the hardware. Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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VAX Ethernet (was Re: IDE on Qbus (was Re: Microvax II))

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> >> Cheap as far as I know. The key thing is despite claims if the DEQNA >> you have is working, whats the rush to dump it. > >Isn't there an issue with VMS obsoleting the DEQNA? Remember the discussion of a few days ago. Well the rule for VMS is DEQNA is not obsolete, just unsupported. FYI, unsupported does not mean there is no driver only that the supplied on has not been updated or rigerously tested in those version so dont call and complain if it dont work. It went unsupported with V5.0. >This one was free, as was the uVAXII it was in (RA81, KDA50, 9Mb, etc) Use it. The DELQA and DEQNA have nearly identical modes with the delqa adding a higher performance one(plus reliability). For VMS prior to 7.x it does work and for 7.2 mine seems ok. Allison

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Vax 11 -7/80 (plus equipment)

by ncherry＠home.net

On EBAY there is an 11 7/80 (currently 6 cents). The guy has no where to put it and hopes someone can pick it up. It's located in Greencastle IN Anyone? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=470466736 -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)home.net http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)

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