- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> However, be forewarned that ViacomSoft apparently knows nothing about > Appletalk Bridge software. I have an extremely small network > consisting of my PowerComputing clone and my wife's Quadra 650. We > also have three different Appletalk printers. (PLW NT, HP Deskjet and > Color Stylewriter) I have to use the Bridge software to communicate > with the printers. I use ethernet and a x-over cable to connect the > Macs. SurfDoubler would not allow access to the printers. Their tech > support had no experience with it. While I suspect that they share some code, from the description on the web site, SurfDoubler isn't the same as SoftRouter. I may have to experiment a bit here... > After a month of trying to make it work, I tried Sustainable's > IPNetRouter. Plug and play. Well worth the additional $50 if only > for the lack of agravation factor. ViacomSoft's final answer was, " > If you figure it out, let us know." I figured it out. The answer was > to drop the ViacomSoft product and replace it with IPNetRouter. > > Told 'em what the fix was too! If you do not have to have a mixed > network, ViacomSoft's product will probably work just fine. It just > wouldn't work for me. Well, I have one printer that's localtalk-only, so I have something to test with. I do also have a Shiva box that allows sharing a single localtalk peripheral amongst a localtalk workgroup, but I've never messed with it. -dq

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Spiders (was: Stacking computers)(long)

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

If you want to know more about spiders, I actually took several entomology classes at the University of Kansas. I know some weird information about fleas, chiggers, spiders, pore mites, and other small insects. We used to hunt spiders, not to kill them but to observe them, at night, our professor would buy the first pitcher of beer after we were all done. You could buy 3.2 beer at age 18 in Kansas in 1971. The brown recluse spider injects a cytotoxic saliva when it bites. The saliva actually breaks down the cell wall, i.e. cytotoxic, liquefies the cell contents and then the spider is able to "slurp" up the contents. Some people are highly allergic, then can end up with scars the size of 50 cent pieces when the site heals. Bites on faces and exposed body parts are a problem. They like to feed on dust mites under furniture. I heard a story/rumor that one of the football coaches at KU had a large scar on his butt from a brown recluse bite. Reference on spiders http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~ohioline/hyg-fact/2000/2060.html Off topic, The chigger injects an anticoagulant when it bites, which has the same effect, and also itches. Otherwise their proboscis, "stinger" would clog up with clotted blood. University of North Carolina reference to residental pests http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Urban/house.htm Reference of pesticides and pest control http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Urban/pests.htm Pore mites are the tiny bugs that live on the sebacous secretions and skin flakes on your skin. Mostly they live in skin pores. Our professor used to take a scraping from the skin on a student and show them what was living on them. He theorized that people with clear skin actually had more pore mites that kept the skin's pores unclogged. I doubt if anybody wants a skin cream with live pore mites. Mite reference http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Urban/mites/mites.htm I actually learned something in college. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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PET keyboard

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Hello, I have a PET 2001-16N with the graphical keyboard, but it is missing the left uppermost keycap. It's been missing so long, I don't even recall what character it is any longer! It's the key located right next to the '!' key though. Would anyone have a spare cap or even a spare keyboard assembly? It is a plastic cased 2001 with the 4.0 ROMs. Thanks Jeff -- Power Computing PowerCurve, 400mhz G3, Mac OS 9.0.4 Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems: http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

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Mac TCP/IP networking

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> There are at least two products that will perform TCP/IP > "encapsulation" > into Appletalk using a Mac: > > 1. A current product called IPNetRouter. See: > http://www.sustworks.com/site/ipr_guide/localtalk.html > It will run on all current Macs. > > 2. An old Apple product called "Apple IP Gateway". See: > http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n16705 > This product will not run on PCI Macs or on Macs running > "Open Transport". Another product is Vicom Internet Gateway... it's been split into two products now, one carrying the same name includes the ability to block access to specific web sites and has CyberNot filter capability. A more stripped-down version is called SoftRouter. Both products allow you to multi-home the Mac, and it then routes Localtalk to TCP/IP and vice-versa. Nice product; we use it on a Mac to connect our entire office to the Internet over a measly V.90 link. -dq

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Spiders (was: Stacking computers)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Anybody having trouble with fungal growth? > > Yeah, but I don't think anyone wants to hear about my > particular fungal growth ;) ROFL!

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old MAC's

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Speaking of PB's, I might be inheriting an '040 520c soon. 8.1 does run > >on the 040, yes? Does anyone have personal experience (not "Apple claims > >it does")? > > Like the LC475, my 520c has the 68LC040 processor, not the full 68040 - I > assume your situation is the same. If I'm wrong, we can set about > installing BSD. Linux will also run on this machine, but from what I read, > the FPU emulation is not reliable yet. Some of the LC models (e.g. the Quadra 605) have an expansion slot into which you can put either a NIC or a FPU card. I have a couple of the FPU cards, although I may not still have the docs. I'd be willing to part with them for US$20 each. Regards, -dq

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classiccmp-digest V1 #407

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Hello. I'm new in the list. I write from > Spain; my name is Sergio. I have one question > to somebody that can answer it: Can it be > possible to obtain some sort of info about > "Compatible Time-Sharing System (CTSS)" from > the M.I.T ? I'm interested to do one IBM 7094 > emulator and I should like to made on it the > modification that was made in the machine > that rans the CTSS. I think that there was > some manuals from MIT press ans internals. > I suppose that can be possible to obtain > it paying. I should like to hear something > about this. A guy named Roger Roach who is or was at MIT supposedly has magtapes containing the CTSS documentation. If he does still have them, I doubt he would release them from his possession, and I don't think he personally has the time to try to recover the contents. He might permit a researcher access to the tapes at a facility local to MIT or wherever he now happens to be. I do not know Roger; I got this information >from a third party. > Same thing is applicable to Multics question. > Somebody is doing a Honeywell 635/645 emulator > like I could confirm one week ago; in this way, > a primitive version of Multics may be sufficient, > I think. Most of Multics is written in PL/I; unfortunately, PL/I compilers are hard to come by. > In both cases we think in Java like the platform > to do the work. In my particular case I want to > do some other emulators (Univac I, IBM 701, > IBM 1401 and IBM 650) because I have some info > about them (opcodes, etc). There is only a > question about the Univac I that nobody resolvs: > Can it be possible to obtain a detailed diagram > from the Main Console of the Univac I ? I, too, have had Java recommended to me as a language for implementing emulators. I have concerns about its performance. -dq

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Everything about Apple ///

by sambfam＠optonline.net

Update by Robert Sambolin Sorry for not posting the Washington Apple Pi information. I did not have the telephone, address or webpage address on hand when I posted my response. Here are the details: WASHINGTON APPLE PIE <www.wap.org> 12022 PARKLAWN DRIVE ROCKVILLE,MD 20852 (301)984-0300

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DEC RP06 power

by rws＠enteract.com

I've recently acquired an RP06 as part of a PDP-11/44 system, and I wish to run it (why not?) I remember reading on this list a while back, that it could be operated on single-phase power instead of three-phase. I got a printset along with the drive, and it's pretty unclear about what would use the three-phase- it's almost like the third phase is ignored, the 208v between the first two phases is fed to the transformer, and the primary is sort-of center tapped to feed the 115 volt fans. Is this right? How would I go about feeding it single-phase if that isn't right? While we're on the subject of three-phase, a couple of weeks ago Bill Bradford asked about re-wiring a VAX 6000 for single-phase. I never saw any response. Anything new from anybody? (I really need to get three-phase in my house) Richard Schauer rws(a)enteract.com

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Spiders (was: Stacking computers)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, ajp166 wrote: > > The last problem varies with area but is likely everywhere, Vermin. > > Spiders, bees, roaches, mice to name a few can be very distructive > ^^^^^^^ > > Does anyone have a good solution for spiders other than having to > reshuffle equipment more often than is sometimes possible and vacuum > them away? One or two little spiders here and there don't seem to be > much of a problem, but, there are spiders here in my basement that are > about an inch of so in diameter that seem to like areas where there's > light - e.g. in rafters near lightbulbs (but some still nest in other > places), and they tend to have lots of little spiders (like hundreds > hatching per web (nest sacks are between 1/4" and 1/2 in diameter". > The webbing can get so think that I once heard a ripping sound when I > pulled some circuit boards apart. These spiders can make quite a mess > from the droppings and remains of what was caught in the webs. Man! Those suckers are h-u-g-e! I let spiders run free in my house, I've noticed that they keep the roach population down. But they've never turned into these mutants you're having trouble with. The bug that plagues my old stuff in the basement are these crickets that are about the same size, 1 inch, as your spiders. They're even more intimidating as they jump when they are startled, paradoxically, in the direction of the intrustion- me. Anybody having trouble with fungal growth? Glad I don't live on Mir... -dq

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stuff avail

by oliv555＠arrl.net

Well, continuing my housecleaning so have some freebies and some almost freebies available: - dug up several boxes of unused 8" hard sector floppies Nashua FD132D WP-r ss/dd; as-is, nothing to verify them on yours for the shipping cost The following *heavy* freebies local only (Houston area): - Vaxstation 2000, diskless, boots to v2.1 prompt - MicroVax 3100/10, 340mb drv, VMS v5.5-2 *has noisy fan* Other "stuff", prefer local pickup: - Mac LC475, working, $10 - DEC R215F StorageArray w/1-rf31 $10 - Vaxstation 3100/m38, 24mb, v5.5-2, 2-RZ23, rx23 $25 - Vaxstation 3100/m76, 16mb, no OS, rx23 $30 - DEC SZ-12 Storage Expansion, rz57 $10 or free with above VS's *no cable available with this* - HiNote Ultra II CTS5100, bare nodrive nomem deadbatt, mainbrd and screen working.... $20; more info on request WANTS LIST: - M8739 klesi-ua rc25 control - M7740 lesi qa rc25 control - RC25 cartridges thanks............. nick o

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Classic Macs

by foxnhare＠jps.net

> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:01:37 -0700 > From: "David C. Jenner" <djenner(a)halcyon.com> > Subject: Re: old MAC's > > Some of these aren't truly "classic" yet (<10 years), > but it's looking like the Color Classic is really a > CLASSIC. If you want to really get carried away with > older Macs, see about the Color Classic at > http://home.hkstar.com/~patrickn/colorclassic/ > > Dave We have a couple Color Classics at work a max of 10 megs RAM and 16mghz speed makes it mighty slow (even with the MicroMac Accelerators)... If you are looking for something "compact" and to "play" with the Macs I would look out for: SE SuperDrive (able to use the HD disks, also can support dual drives and hard drive) SE/30 (first 68030 compact mac, some people consider thse good to have around for net stuff.) Classic II (more limited than the SE-30 but faster than other compact macs) IIci (the cx and si are slower, also note the IIci is the last Mac capable of running System 6) IIfx (big, fast, but uses weird RAMs) LC-III Quadra 605/LC475 (no MMU but 25mghz speed, good kids internet box) 631-CD (last of the 68040s, but a good one - my first Mac - at home) Macs in the 1000s are PowerMacs. Note some caveats on those: * 61xx (uses a non-standard video connector!) * 7100 (uses a non-standard video connector & NEEDS a standard video card doe to electronic design) Heck just check out http://www.lowendmac.com/ Low end Mac is a great site for tips and tidbits on the older macs. Though some of their "Road Apples" are computers I like. -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4k bps Classic Commodore pages at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011

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Spiders (was: Stacking computers)

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/24/00 9:46:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, John.Allain(a)donnelley.infousa.com writes: > > >Does anyone have a good solution for spiders other > >than having to reshuffle equipment more often than > >is sometimes possible and vacuum > > I would suggest just sealing it in a plastic garbage bag - that's what I do, and not only is it an inexpensive solution, but it seems to work well also. -Linc Fessenden members.aol.com/lfessen106

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TI99/4 in its box available

by donm＠cts.com

A chap here in San Diego just called me to tell that he has a TI-99/4A available to someone who would use it. It is complete with cords and manuals and in original box. Shipping would be at recipient's cost and would be from 921nn. Email me off-list if interested. - don

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Recovering Sysadmin

by bobcaar＠cyberdude.com

>Hans Franke wrote: > >> C'me on, there's always anpther solution...... > >Unfortunately, there might not be. We're going to be moving shortly, >and it's next to impossible to take the PDP-11 with us. :( I've been >able to keep it up until now, but with moving preparations on the go, >it's coming down to decision time. > >Thing is, how does one get rid of a PDP-11 in a couple of weeks? I >can't imagine there's a huge market for them in Toronto (and I am NOT >shipping this thing). > So, You're looking to get rid of your PDP, I see? I'm sure I could give it a good home :) I've been looking for one locally (Toronto area). If you can't take it with you when you move, give me a shout. Also, does anyone know if Nortel/Northern Telecom mass produced Unibus telephone/audio boards at anytime? (A friend *believes* he found some, I'm going to pick up the boards in a couple of weeks and we'll see.) T.H.x. Devon >- -- > > >Tim Harrison >Network Engineer >harrison(a)timharrison.com >http://www.networklevel.com/

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auctions?

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Does anyone on the list have a recommendation for a good internet auction service? Not E-bay! I can't get E-bay's computer to accept any of my auctions! I also haven't been able to post any feedback since August. I've E-mailed them at least ten times and they keep telling me that there's nothing wrong with their system, they've fixed the problem, etc etc etc but the problems persist. Joe

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old MAC's

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Bill Layer <b.layer(a)vikingelectronics.com> wrote: > Good day, > > >--- Bill Layer <b.layer(a)vikingelectronics.com> wrote: > > > Here is my off-the-cuff list of Old Macs To Look Out For: > > > SE/30 > > > >Why? > > Because "Richard Erlacher" <richard(a)idcomm.com> had asked :) OK... smiley aside... why the SE/30? I happen to have one that I replaced with the Quadra 605. As far as B&W Macs go, it seems quite nice. Unfortunately for me, I have a couple of SE Ethernet cards, but none for the inside of the SE/30. I have to use my only SCSI<->Ethernet adapter with it. > Yes, the 68040 is a drop-in replacement for the 68LC040. I just wanted to make sure that the MacOS didn't freak if it found an FPU in a box that didn't formerly have one. More of an Extensions question than a hardware question. > There is information out there about how to overclock that CPU as well. Cool. If I run across a 33Mhz '040, I'll give it a whirl. > AFAIK, the 68LC040 in your Quadra 605 actually runs at 50MHz internally, but > on a 25MHz external bus. Right. That's an '040 thing. Motorola never emphasized it until much later, once Intel began hyping the DX2 line of 486 processors. > Sorry to hear about the abused PowerBook.. :| At least it was free (to me). I'm still looking for a 120-200Mb SCSI disk for it for less than a buck a meg. My Mac experience goes back to the 128K model (a buddy brought one to work in 1984 when disks were $5 each), but is spotty. I used to support my mother's business when she had a room full of Mac 512Ke machines with Dove Snap boards (memory and SCSI), Mac Pluses and Mac SEs. Her most powerful Mac was an SE with 4Mb of RAM and the original 18Mb disk. She used them until she closed her doors in 1997. I skipped several generations of hardware until the IIci and the Quadra 950, and have missed most of the PowerPC stuff. Fun boxes that still have their uses. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

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Q.: SMS model OMTI 3100 bridge

by cem14＠cornell.edu

I have this old Mac SCSI drive+enclosure, a Dataframe 20 model. It came with an old Mac 512K that has a 3rd party SCSI card. I would like to save the data from the drive for archival/historical purposes, but I am having trouble for several reasons. In a newer apple laptop, the hd is not recognized at all, neither by silverlining nor by APS formatter. And I can't attach the drive to other machines because I don't know how to set its SCSI ID to something other than 0. The drive houses an older Microscience drive and a bridge labeled "SMS MODEL OMTI 3100"; this has, among other things, a Z8 and a 2764. The label on this last IC says "SUPERMAC 3103". Everything seems to have been manufactured in 1986. Does anybody know how to set the SCSI id for this bridge? Will it look like a standard SCSI device to another apple, or is this a non-standard beast? -- Carlos Murillo-Sanchez email: cem14(a)cornell.edu 428 Phillips Hall, Electrical Engineering Department Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853

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old MAC's

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Bill Layer <b.layer(a)vikingelectronics.com> wrote: > Here is my off-the-cuff list of Old Macs To Look Out For: > SE/30 Why? > Any Quadra, with the possible exception of the Quadra 605 (aka LC475) with > it's lack of FPU I have a 605. It cost me $5 at Dayton. I use it to dump my QuickTake 150 camera and convert the images to TIFF. Can I just drop a full 25Mhz '040 in it and rise above its limitations? > Any PowerBook Someone gave me a PB160. It appears to have been dropped/thrown. The plastic mounting posts on the bottom shell were broken and the guide rod that the floppy head slides up and down was dislodged from its mountings. Of course the HDA was roached. It powers up fine, now, on external power (dead battery) and even boots from an external disk. Any good sources for cheap PB160 disks? It only needs to be large enough to hold OS 7.5.x and have a couple dozen Mb left over for the QT150 software. Thanks, -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

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Spiders (was: Stacking computers)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: R. D. Davis <rdd(a)smart.net> >Does anyone have a good solution for spiders other than having to >reshuffle equipment more often than is sometimes possible and vacuum Insecticide will slow them down, but they are eating other bugs. >The webbing can get so think that I once heard a ripping sound when I >pulled some circuit boards apart. These spiders can make quite a mess >from the droppings and remains of what was caught in the webs. Jeepers, why did I suggest packaging stuff to protect it from things like that? >I never noticed these until the past several years, and am guessing >that I may have brought them in with some computer equipment, so, be >careful when collecting. Collecting in the summer seems to work out >best, when equipment can be _thoroughly_ disassembled and cleaned >outdoors and then brought inside. They found a good place to hid and did. Likely they were there but now there are more places to hide and maybe other bugs to eat so they are being fruitful, multiplying and also making a mess. Allison

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Q.: SMS model OMTI 3100 bridge

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Carlos Murillo-Sanchez <cem14(a)cornell.edu> wrote: > I have this old Mac SCSI drive+enclosure, a Dataframe 20 model. My Mother had some Dataframe 20s with the OMTI 3100 MFM<->SCSI card inside. > Does anybody know how to set the SCSI id for this bridge? Not without looking at a picture of the card. > Will it look like a standard SCSI device to another apple, or > is this a non-standard beast? AFAIK, it is just a standard, pre-SCSI-2 interface. You will *not* be able to issue IDENT commands against it to divine the drive geometry. You have to _know_ the heads/tracks/sectors of the MFM drive (there are lists of those out there - I was just looking up the XT2190 today and only found 47 hits with Altavista - it's a good keyword to use to find MFM drive lists) The problem is probably the third-party controller. It may or may not count on a certain set of contents of the first cylinder or two. With the right driver disk, you could reformat that drive on a more modern Mac, but you want data recovery. If you can't change the SCSI id of the Hardframe, why not change the id of the boot disk in your target Mac? -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

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classiccmp-digest V1 #407

by SPEDRAJA＠mail.ono.es

Hello. I'm new in the list. I write from Spain; my name is Sergio. I have one question to somebody that can answer it: Can it be possible to obtain some sort of info about "Compatible Time-Sharing System (CTSS)" from the M.I.T ? I'm interested to do one IBM 7094 emulator and I should like to made on it the modification that was made in the machine that rans the CTSS. I think that there was some manuals from MIT press ans internals. I suppose that can be possible to obtain it paying. I should like to hear something about this. Same thing is applicable to Multics question. Somebody is doing a Honeywell 635/645 emulator like I could confirm one week ago; in this way, a primitive version of Multics may be sufficient, I think. In both cases we think in Java like the platform to do the work. In my particular case I want to do some other emulators (Univac I, IBM 701, IBM 1401 and IBM 650) because I have some info about them (opcodes, etc). There is only a question about the Univac I that nobody resolvs: Can it be possible to obtain a detailed diagram >from the Main Console of the Univac I ? Well, that all. Thanks. ---------- Sergio Pedraja Administracion de Sistemas Division de Tecnologia Caja Cantabria Spain ----------

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Cold storage

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

Hi all I have to refer to the collective wisdom of the list. Here's the problem: I live in the frozen land of Minnesota, I have a 12'x16' shed full of empty cardboard boxes, I have a house full (and I mean full) of computers. Would it be safe for the computers to spend the winters in the cardboard boxes in the shed? Should I insulate the shed first? Should I move to the shed and store the computers in the bedroom? Thanks Francois

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old MAC's

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On 24 Oct 2000 16:27:46 -0000 Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> writes: > This in no way reflects badly on Motorola, as they documented the > behavior correctly. It does show, however, that they were starting > to lose the CISC performance competition. Probably because Intel was > simply able to outspend Motorola on high-end microprocessor R&D. Not to mention the fact that Mot had bet (and spent) heavily on the 88000 RISC architecture and lost. Unfortunately, the marketplace wasn't looking for a better design; rather it simply wanted faster & cheaper. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Spiders (was: Stacking computers)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Does anyone have a good solution for spiders other > >than having to reshuffle equipment more often than > >is sometimes possible and vacuum > > 1./ Eliminate edible materials. > (Old food, dead plants, human skin dust) > 2./ The foraging insects go away. > (Ants, Moths, Flies) > 3./ The Hunting insects go away. > (Centipedes, Spiders) > > Now, I've heard that some beetles > will eat insulation. > A possible halloween scare, but > it probably only happens in warm > running machines. But i've > never seen this for myself. > I have seen a number or rats nests > in discarded copy machines... > Again for the warmth I think. While the bug stuff doesn't faze me, I should point out that you should not mess with rodent droppings without wearing a respirator. Hantavirus, spread though rodent droppings, is no longer confined to the southwest. -dq

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Stacking computers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: McFadden, Mike <mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu> >I wonder if pile stability is the most important, or that the heaviest stuff >be on the bottom, or is regular shape items on the bottom best. Seeing the >floor is not a problem. Yes, if it falls over things may break. Apply common sense here. Also of the stack is too heavy for one of the lower units fix it! >Can anyone guess what the average per foot floor load is for 3' high >computer piles? I'm afraid that my garage attic may collapse on the cars if >I stack it higher than 3'. I'm also worried about the temperature extremes >in the garage attic. I'd bet 50-100 pounds SQft for really nasty stuff and for a stack of common PCs down around 25. The problem is how much can the floor hold? If it flexes when you stand on it that would be around say 170lb/sqft (assuming nominal adult person) and might represent a upper limit. Temperature is not an issue. Humidity and condensation are big issues. Some plastics dont age well when hot or get very brittle when cold so handle with care and avoid the sun (UV). Also sitting for years is bad for caps so lack of use can be problematic. The last problem varies with area but is likely everywhere, Vermin. Spiders, bees, roaches, mice to name a few can be very distructive >from chewing, feces, urine and introduced debries(nesting material for one) or a hazard to the user Bee stings or other bites. Seal stored equipment to keep them out and keep them dry. Allison

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NatSemi 32000

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 23, 20:19, Hans Franke wrote: > I stand to be corrected Pete, but at least the Chip Directory > http://www.xs4all.nl/~ganswijk/chipdir/n/160.htm > agrees to my memory. I may check my databooks tonight. :-) I'm not saying you're wrong, just remembering what may have been Acorn marketing. I'd be interested to see what the data books say if you find them. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Looking for TMB11 Controller!

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi Group: I'm looking for a controller for my TS03 tape drive, freshly racked in a nice 11/34A recently rescued from North Vancouver. The modules in a TMB11 are: M105 M795 M796 M7821 M7911 M7912 and they fit into a custom 4-slot backplane. I realize that this is a longshot, but anybody that has one that's available, please contact me! Thanks as well to those that helped with my recent 11/34 booting and console questions! Kevin

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Novas are forever...

by bkr＠WildHareComputers.com

Since Data General is now digested by EMC I am trying even harder to acquire, restore and preserve the DG 16-bit Nova and Eclipse hardware, software and documentation. Please let me know if anybody has DG 16-bit software, doc and hardware that needs a home... Bruce Ray bkr(a)SimuLogics.com ======================================================== To: History Preservation Buffs In a little over 30+ years Data General has gone from exciting startup computer company, to number two minicomputer company, to almost a footnote in our memories. The recent buyout by EMC has effectively closed the door on any corporate interest in saving this important part of computer history. A recent increase in 16-bit Nova and Eclipse activity(!) and has made us decide to split off a separate web site - www.SimuLogics.com - to try to deal with these situation. The intent is to salvage, restore, preserve and archive all of the 16-bit Nova, Eclipse and compatible hardware, software and documentation possible. As part of this effort we have donated most of our own DG systems to the various museums, educational institutes and collectors. We are also transferring all manuals and software to CDROM to preserve this heritage. Various clients and vendors have also supported this effort by providing hardware, software and documentation that we are transferring to CDROM for archival and historical purposes. The www.SimuLogics.com web site's nostalgia section is planned to be the starting point for an expanded area for this highlight in computer history. Now I'm scrounging trying to find any and all Nova- and Eclipse-type stuff to resurrect, restore and run, and am seeking any Nova/Eclipse/RDOS/AOS hardware/software/documentation that could be preserved - any items that might be even loaned for testing and/or archival purposes would be appreciated. Also, any good tidbits or other such stuff would be great to include in the triva section for posterity. And third-party DG look alikes are also being sought. Point 4, Bytronix, Keronix and other vendors were important sub-markets within the DG area along with third-party operating systems such as MICOS, BITS, VMOS, MUMPS and BLIS/COBOL. And site comments/ridicule/suggestions are always welcome! Bruce Ray bkr(a)SimuLogics.com www.SimuLogics.com Parent company: Wild Hare Computer Systems, Inc. P O Box 3581 Boulder, Colorado 80307-3581 USA vox: (303) 466-7717 fax: (303) 465-5780 bkr(a)WildHareComputers.com www.WildHareComputers.com

25 years, 8 months

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Stacking computers

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I have a serious questions to ask. How high can you pile computers and not damage the bottom units. I have computers stacked along my garage walls. For example: MicroVAX II on bottom, three 3B2's next, AT&T Unix PC next, box of keyboards above, empty boxes and boxes of cables on top. I wonder if pile stability is the most important, or that the heaviest stuff be on the bottom, or is regular shape items on the bottom best. Seeing the floor is not a problem. I'm trying to buy some shelving from a friend in St. Louis who gets it cheap. Although cheap shelving is an oxymoron. I envision some stainless steel roll around shelving and some fixed units. Of course if the New Madrid Fault reactivates I'll just have to restack. Can anyone guess what the average per foot floor load is for 3' high computer piles? I'm afraid that my garage attic may collapse on the cars if I stack it higher than 3'. I'm also worried about the temperature extremes in the garage attic. I'm lucky my wife and I have several small power and sailboats and guess what boats live outdoors with no complaints about rain, snow, heat and cold. When my kids go off to college I'm converting 1 or more bedrooms into workshops. Thanks Mike mmcfaddden(a)cmh.edu

25 years, 8 months

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Enough already! (was: Re: MS Laugh-In)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Kevin Stewart <stewart_kevin(a)hotmail.com> >Ok, can we stop this? 1) It's irrelevant 2) OS-bashing does NOTHING >positive. 3) It's Microsoft, not M$ or microsh*t 4) It's Windows, not >winblows, windoze, etc. Actually it's MICROS~1 ;) >Windows has its useful places in the world, as do Linux, VMS, *BSD, MacOS No it's taken the world some place it shouldn't go. While the idea and over all plan is good it's execution is there the comments arise. I manage 40 clients running w95osr2.1, minimum of one crash a week. Uptime is measured by TBI, that's time between Installs due to it's propensity for eating itself. For w95osr2 that's about 10 months. W98se has the record for not even running on a engineering machine that ran Autocad for years without grief. A raft (nearly 50mb) of patches later from MS and a list of vendors later it's nearly stable. >and others. What works for you works for you. I'm currently using an NT 4 >box (my main workstation) that sits alongside 20+ Mac, *BSD and Linux boxen I do too, much better once they got to SP4!!! However add IIS or worse office97 and it's not nearly as solid. Dont forget SP1 and SP2 for Office97. I use it but while IE/OE are installed I try not to use them as they have demonstated weakness and are a huge security hole. Without MS apps it's acceptable. >and goes through a Linux firewall to my cablemodem. Linux has crashed on me >< 5 times, mostly when I'm screwing around with code and make a stupid >mistake. NT has crashed < 5 times as well. This box (A celeron 433/96/8gig) No news there. The difference is in linux you can see where and why, w9x its all too difficult to diagnose. Then again any system where you can write/modify the kernal code is susceptable to crashes. Linux doesn't suffer >from putting the Video driver in the most unprotected place where errant apps can munge it and kill you (winNT4). The upside is a ODBC for NT that really works is only $4000 after spending a bomb for all the other stuff to make a "real server" using it. Or running an app and needing support and having the vendor expire before the warrentee. Linux and FreeBSD have a few warts but open code is at least fixable. Ever deal with NT domains? Their fun. Try and get a server to participate in a domain. Ever try to create a PDC when one pukes and there is no BDC ( a legacy issue) but now you have to have one? It's simple, reinstall EVERYthing as you can only get that choice at install time. Dont forget to install IIS, do it later and it much not participate in the SAM, split domain secuity that results is loads of fun when you needed a server yesterday. IIS can be fun, server can do file services but wants a password for a simple web page because it split the domain internally somehow and the web pages done have "permissions". Ever try and track the service packs and hotfixes for NT4? I have the complete set of some 13 CDroms for 3.51, all patches and fixes. I gave up trying for NT4, If I have to bridge the Intranet to the Internet you can bet a proxy server/firwall and content filter will be there. Then there is the little problem of IntenetExplorer, the virus back door that does. Any server apps you write have to be written for it as those aimed at all other browsers are different. Add to that OutlookExpress another virus barn door that can't figure out how to produce nicely wrapped text at 80 characters or any other line length that may be reasonable. Why use it... have you ever tried to move from servers running NT3.51 to linux with a W95 client base? A real test of sanity and recreating a small raft of code. Worse yet is doing it the NTway and finding all the 3.51 code is useless under NT4. then you have the problem of W95 network logins if there is no "domain". No secuity on the 'net either. Now do you understand the frustration? Tis better it's vented as humor as the alternate is serious fault finding. Allison

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New Finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well the last few weeks have been up and down not much 10plus stuff but lots of 1 to 8 year old stuff. At one thrift I found a PSION series 3a manual but not the machine ( I go by each day looking for it)and at another I found a MPF-1 User's manual and a Monitor program source listing manual for the same board. I'm still looking for the MPF-1 board to show up there. Picked up a HP9114B FDD unit at an auction. At another auction I got HP45711B Portable Plus. That's it for now Keep on Computing. John Keys

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Stacking computers

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated Mon, 23 Oct 2000 2:34:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "McFadden, Mike" <mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu> writes: << I have a serious questions to ask. How high can you pile computers and not damage the bottom units. I have computers stacked along my garage walls. For example: MicroVAX II on bottom, three 3B2's next, AT&T Unix PC next, box of keyboards >> Although this isn't exactly on topic here, I would like to promise you and every other Classic Comp'r on the list that if you would see fit to sell/give me that AT&T Unix PC, I would USE it and never stack or stuff it anywhere :-) Seriously though, I have been hunting for one of these everywhere and can't seem to find one... Linc Fessenden members.aol.com/lfessen106

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old MAC's

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated Mon, 23 Oct 2000 2:58:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Richard Erlacher" <richard(a)idcomm.com> writes: ><< I've begun to see numbers of old Mac's in the >various thrift stores. Which models are particularly >interesting? I've never had much of a taste for the >things, but at $6-$10 each it might be worth snagging >the things just for the disk drives, or some such. >Today I ran into a classic, a ii-lc or some such and >iii-si or something like that. These latter are both >those recent-looking low-profile thingies. Do they >have anything of interest in them? Look for SE/30 or LC III or even a centris. they are powerful enough to do things with. Mac classic is just a redesigned SE w/ FDHD.

25 years, 8 months

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum

by univac2＠earthlink.net

A while back, everybody was talking about the Goodwill Computerworks Museum. Can someone tell me what city that was in? Thanks, Owen

25 years, 8 months

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Tandy Model 4P available

by vcf＠siconic.com

I know someone who has a nice Tandy 4P with a printer and manuals available. It's all boxed up and waiting to go. There are three boxes, the weights being 68, 33 and 7 pounds. The from ZIP code is 98039. Please reply directly to me if you are interested. Precedence will go to local pickups (Seattle, WA area, specifically Medina). If you are not local, please be prepared to make a small offer on the lot, on top of the shipping costs (use UPS website to calculate). In this case, please do reply to me directly :) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

25 years, 8 months

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NPR Morning Edition segment on VCF IV

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

Jim wrote: >Just spoke with the reporter from NPR, and the segment with the interviews >that were done at VCF IV will be running on tomorrow (Sunday) mornings >edition of Morning Edition. Just heard it this morning (it happened about an hour and 28 minutes into the program). It seemed pretty well done, and a reasonably wide variety of "classics" were mentioned by some of the regulars to this list. My only complaint is that I didn't hear any references to this mailing list or any relevant "classic computing" web sites. If anyone has any loud complaints, I work about two blocks over (and a few hundred feet down) from NPR's Washington DC offices and I may be able to volunteer to go there and protest over my lunch hour :-). Tim.

25 years, 8 months

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NatSemi 32000

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 23, 15:07, Hans Franke wrote: > I may be coorected, but AFAIR are the 16032 and 32032 the very > same CPUs - NS just changed at one point the family name 16xxx > to 32xxx to reflect the 32 Bit hype. Bussize was always noted > by the last two digits, while the middle digit served as family. > 16008/32008 8-Bit external Data > 16016/32016 16-Bit external Data > 16032/32032 32-Bit external Data Are you sure about that, Hans? When Acorn first talked about their NatSemi second processor, they described it as a 16032; by the time it was released, it was a 32016 and they claimed this was the same device previously called a 16032. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Looking for MicroVAX/VAXstation 2000 roms, version 2.3

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I am in the process of refurbing some uVAX2000s and finally ran down the > patches for the SCSI boot ROMs and VMS device drivers. Unfortunately for > me, my newest uVAX has version 2.2 ROMs and the patches are for 2.3. Can > anyone help me locate newer ROM images? I have plenty of blanks and a > programmer, so that's the easy part. Instead of ROM images, how about the ROM's themselves. I have one uVAX2000 that I tore down to remove the disk to send to a fellow list member. Looking at the ROM's on it: DEC87 LM8737 on all of them the unique numbers on each ROM are: 033E7 034E7 035E7 036E7 I never test fired this one, so no info other than above. I also have five VAXstation 2000's. They have all been test fired and at the time they spewed: KN410-B V2.3 You want I should loan you a set of ROM's and throw them in the box with the DS200/MC manual when you get around to sending me a Priority Mail stamp. How's that for a subtle reminder? I might also remind you that you recently dug a VS2000 out of the barn and gave it to a friend. Are you refurbishing his also, or might you have just given away the very thing you seek? This may be another indication of what Sellam so aptly named "Mental DECay". ;-) Mike

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Tubes and Hoses

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Tony didst scribe: >One pun that may not have crossed the Pond is that it was called the >'Tube' not only because it was a thing for shifting data from one machine >to the other (like a tube would carry a fluid), but also because the Tube >is a slang name for the London Underground (railway) (what you'd call the >Subway) and is thus an alternative to travelling by bus... Heh - reminds me as to why the bus interconnect in the Alpha is called a 'hose'.....in the labs they had everything connected together with thick green cables which someone said looked like garden hoses..... -- Adrian Graham MCSE/ASE/MCP C CAT Limited Gubbins: http://www.ccat.co.uk (work) <http://www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk> (me) <http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (The online computer museum) 0/0

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RF71 disk drives and 2 BA123 microVax II's in Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Hi all I have 6 RF71 disk drives, a TK25 and 2 BA123 microVax II's in Kansas City that I need to get rid of . Any offers? Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Looking for MicroVAX/VAXstation 2000 roms, version 2.3

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I am in the process of refurbing some uVAX2000s and finally ran down the patches for the SCSI boot ROMs and VMS device drivers. Unfortunately for me, my newest uVAX has version 2.2 ROMs and the patches are for 2.3. Can anyone help me locate newer ROM images? I have plenty of blanks and a programmer, so that's the easy part. TIA, -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

25 years, 8 months

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Zilog S8000 available in the UK

by pgj＠ghrs.co.uk

I had this machine offered to me, but it is too far for me to collect it if anyone else in the UK wants it. Please contact Mike directly. BTW what, precisely, is it - does anyone on the list know of them. In his original message to me he said that it was big and that it had been used at a local college to teach Unix to students. -- Regards Pete > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike W [mailto:mike@corn2.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 03 October 2000 10:57 > To: Peter Joules > Subject: Re: You want old computer stuff? > > > no probs abt the delay in replying Pete, feel free to pass on the > details to whoever you wish. > > I now have it here, its a Zilog S8000/32 Model 130, Ser no. > 01871336, sold by Allied Business Systems of Portslade, Sussex. > > It appears to be functional but as yet I hav'nt connected a terminal > to it so I can't be certain of this. > > If you or any of your fellow devotees would like to have it > then I'd be > only too happy to store it until it can be collected. > Catch you later.. Mike W, Redruth, Cornwall > >

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NatSemi 32000 (Was: RE: Drop the Microsoft & OS Discussion!)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

There was a project board that was featured in the Micro Cornucopia around 1984, or so. It was an ISA co-processor board, that ran UNIX; it used the PC as an IO server. It was pretty slick. I really wanted one, but sure couldn't afford it. One of these actually showed up on e-bay a couple of years back; naturally I was outbid. There was another project, the PC32 which was a 32000 based SBC. Also pretty slick; they run NetBSD. These are pretty rare as well. All of the 32000's had an 'orthogonal' instruction set; it was also the same IS for 8,16,and 32 bit parts. I have the users manual around here someplace . . . Jeff On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:21:31 -0400 Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> writes: > > I vote to drop-kick this weeks discussion/useless rant > > on Windows and other OS's and other pokes to list members. > > Get back to you classic computers, VAXen, boxen, > > whatever-you-have-en, which this list is meant for! > > > > Anyone with me on this? > > I've heard little discussion (since I joined earlier this year) > about the National Semiconductor 32000 processor line. IIRC, > some (but not all) of the chips in this family were true > 3-address machines. > > Anyone familiar with them? Do any significant assembly > language programming on one? > > -dq ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Computer That Ate Hitler's Brain

by vcf＠siconic.com

RE: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,39198,00.html Michelle, The silly thing about the Colossus II vs. ENIAC debate on which one was first is that they were both beat a few years earlier by Konrad Zuse, a German inventor working alone during WWII. Please check here for references: http://irb.cs.tu-berlin.de/~zuse/Konrad_Zuse/ http://hjs.geol.uib.no/zuse/zusez1z3.htm http://www.epemag.com/zuse/ All three are excellent resources on Zuse's amazing work. I hope you will print a follow-up to your October 3rd article that truly sets the records straight, because this is something that needs to be known for such an important topic. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

25 years, 8 months

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Filtering posts

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

I'm still not sure if my posts are getting through, but I'm getting a load in my inbox. How do others here filter the messages from the list without a [Classiccmp] tag?

25 years, 8 months

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HP 9000 & HP 1000 available

by ss＠allegro.com

Hi, (sighted elsewhere) There's a couple of HP 9000s (PA-RISC) and one HP 1000/900 available in Minnesota at: http://www.w9fz.com/hp9000/index.html Don't email *me*! Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

25 years, 8 months

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Cold storage

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

I'm already up to the ceiling, check out the picture on my home page: http://people.mn.mediaone.net/fauradon/index.html On top of that I have the laundry room wall (the one without the appliances) loaded up from floor to ceiling. At this point I have exhausted all storage solutions for in house storage and I can't even get to the far end of my office without planning the trip at least a week in advance :) Right now the only choice is OUT. That means the shed or a rental space. I would much prefer the shed. Thanks Francois -----Original Message----- From: Claude <claudew(a)sprint.ca> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, October 21, 2000 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Cold storage >Sue & Francois wrote: >> >> Hi all >> I have to refer to the collective wisdom of the list. >> Here's the problem: >> I live in the frozen land of Minnesota, I have a 12'x16' shed full of empty >> cardboard boxes, I have a house full (and I mean full) of computers. > >I would not submit my computer collection to the low low temperatures >you get in Minnesota (like here in Quebec)... > >One answer for more space : SHELVES, SHELVES, SHELVES...I taught I was >running outta space until I installed approx a total of 48 feet (3 times >16 feet of 16" wide shelves seperated by 14") attached to drywall with >metal brackets. About $8-$10 for the 8 foot long white wood shelves and >$1 for each bracket. A good investement... > >Second : do regular clean ups...Yes you might throw away something that >can be used one day...but still...space is space...I rather have less >stuff all clean and neat then a ton of stuff in a mess...but thats me... > >For "home" PC collecting it is great. Most of my collection (Atari, >Apple, Macs, Trs80s...) is there and can be admired and connected and >booted in less then 2-3 minutes...But I don't think the drywall and >shelves could hold up a VAX... > >Claude > >> >> Would it be safe for the computers to spend the winters in the cardboard >> boxes in the shed? >> Should I insulate the shed first? > >I would not let my collection live in sub 0 temperatures. > >> Should I move to the shed and store the computers in the bedroom? >> >> Thanks >> >> Francois

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Beginner into Micros, etc.

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On 19 Oct 2000, Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> wrote: > Where can I put all this stuff I found. Almost as difficult question as "What is the meaning of life". The answer just came to me: "To be the winner of the contest: He who dies with the most 'puters wins." My latest haul included over 100 machines of the same brand. I had to rent a space at a local U-Store-It place. I must be crazy. More on this haul later. Mike

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Insanity (Was: Re: Beginner into Micros, etc.)

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote: > I have thousands of square feet of interesting (to me > at least) stuff, mostly DEC minicomputers. Up to now my collecting has been pretty much DEC stuff and a few odd Intel boxes. So I guess you could say we suffer from the same form of insanity. Idea, contest time! We need a name for the form of insanity whereby you continue to haul home DEC. > I find this much more satisfying than having hundreds of units of > the same microcomputer, but I'm not criticizing. It was more of a rescue than looking for satisfaction. I kept them >from the dumpster. I will keep a couple, and am sure homes can be found for the others. Of course there is the testing of all of these which will take a fair amount of time. > In fact, I was basically making that point that I'm completely insane. Point taken, and understood. Mike

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