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SMC 2010, 2009 & 3007 dip chips???

by Innfogra＠aol.com

The 2010 discussion is interesting to me. I have a SMC 2010B with a date code of 7736 in Ceramic with gold legs. Is this a second source of the Western Digital or something different? I also have a couple of similar chips by SMC, a Plastic/gold 2009H with a date code of 7942D, and a Plastic/gold 3007-A01 with a date code of 7852A. This one has a P.N. of 27-001 on it also and is a 28 pin dip. The first two, the 2010 and 2009 are 40 pin dips. All seem to be limited production run chips as I have not seen others of them. Paxton

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CP/M 1.3 memory requirement

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> > > WAMECO QM-1A 12 slot motherboard Just gave one of those away. > Suntronics SBC-780 Z80 CPU board > ECT 8KM 8k SRAM board > Processor Tech 4K-RA SRAM board > Solid State Music VB1 video interface board > Shugart SA400 floppy drive with Northstar powerboard > Northstar Micro-Disk System MDS-A Cool, typical of many non horizon NS* systems. A bit of this and that. Uhm what are you using for keyboard input if the VDM is output? > The CP/M 1.3 disk, as well as the North Star NDOS disk, were >given to me by the original builder of the machine. He also wrote a >small monitor program which resides on the CPU board. One of the >CP/M disks is the original Lifeboat distribution disk, while two >others are costumized, handlabled '27k CP/M' and '43k CP/M'. I did some looking and find nothing that says Lifeboat did 1.3 for NS*. The copy I have is 1.403 for NS*. They may have done 1.3 but the timeframes for 1.3 and Lifeboat are off. Sounds like you need more ram. Get another 16k for safety. A cromemco ram16 or ram17 should be easy enough to find or other 64k static. Allison

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New finds & the Woz!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>I probably wouldn't go after your milliwatts, unless you did it too close to my >receiver. But I've fantasized about being able to do RDF, especially on weak and >transient signals. It's an art and science. Allison

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New finds & the Woz!

by jbmcb＠hotmail.com

Picked up an Intel brand Pentium 100, runs OS/2 nicely. Also found a DEC MicroVax II with 2 4-line serial controllers. No drives, but I have a few spares. Time to froray into VMS. Last Sunday I went to see the Woz speak at the Mac Group of Detroit. Fascinating speaker, if anyone has the chance to see him I highly reccomend it. He talked in-depth about working at TI, designing Breakout with Steve Jobs for Atari, and designing his own computers at the Homebrew Computer Club. Most fascinating factoid: He was inspired to make his first TV-display terminal when he paid a visit to Captain Crunch and saw that he had a Teletype in his apartment, and was "Talking to some guys in Boston!" over Arpanet.

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Diskette compatibility question.

by forslund＠tbaytel3.tbaytel.net

Hi, I have only one diskette that came with a Heathkit H89 computer. It's a soft-sectored 5 1/4" Dysan 107/1 flavour. I also have a couple boxes of "newer" 5 1/4" diskettes that i used in the IBM pc world, which are also soft-sectored, but are double sided, and single or double density. I am wondering if i can reformat these (in CP/M for example) and use them in the H89? It makes sense that i should be able to do this, since they're obviously better quality (ie. can store more info) than the older SSSD's, but I'm not sure if I can do this. I would test it, however, at this time, i don't have format.com for the H89. Thanks Bob

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SMC 2010, 2009 & 3007 dip chips???

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> >> I have a SMC 2010B with a date code of 7736 in Ceramic with gold legs. Is >> this a second source of the Western Digital or something different? > >Although SMC did second source many Western Digital chips, this one is >about seven years too early to be the 2010 HDC. No that would be about right for that chip... 1987. My 1985 SMC catalong lists the 2010 as "preliminary". Allison

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CP/M 1.3 memory requirement

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> >other boards are long gone. I have to make a minor solder repair to >the powerboard for the floppy still, but after that I'll be trying to >boot CP/M 1.30 from Lifeboat Associates from a North Star disk >system. Now that my move is almost here, I can start thinking about >working on this machine again. > > Jeff Ah, you may need more memory for that. The Lifeboat NS* dist for 1.4 needs 4k more, they sorta grafted the NS* dos to the BIOS as disk drivers so it's a bit fat. I bought the 1.4 copy way back when (it was new release then). Assuming its for a NS* Horizon it will be personalized for the default NS* IO addresses. HOWEVER... it was also distributed without IO personalization. You will need NS* dos and one of the monitors or do it from the front pannel. I know I did that using the first machine (altair) before I moved to a real NS* horizon. DOCs for that version are a must or hope there is a readable example on disk. Allison

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New finds & the Woz!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Dwight Elvey <elvey(a)hal.com> >Hi > It should also be noted that here in the US, any jamming >of a lawful receiver is considered against federal law. >Dwight Dont bet on this. Read part 15 carefully. depending on the service and all it may not only be permitted it may be a case of the reciever (or its owner) has to live or deal with it by adjusting their end of the problem. What you say USED to be absolutly true, then the last 20 years of radio pollution forced the FCC out of the RFI management business. Allison

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CP/M 1.3 memory requirement

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> > What is the least amount of memory that CP/M 1.3 will run in? >-- The standard distribution sized for memory as: 1.3 16k 1.4 16k 2.0 20k 2.2 20k This was the expected memeory for the startup of a distribution disk as it was "sysgened" for that size. It left enough space in all cases to run sysgen(or movcpm) and leave an images in the available TPA. The actual memory needed, using the standard SSSD 8" distibution of 2.0/2.2 was 2k for the CCP (when loaded), 3584 byts for the BDOS and about 1k to 1500bytes for the BIOS. The 1.3 version was only slightly smaller. Allison

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Storage idea!!!

by mikeford＠socal.rr.com

My latest bright idea, an 8x10 net (maybe 10x12) to hang from the garage ceiling to hold all my big empty boxes, bags of filler, etc. (a good portion of my garage has a 14' ceiling, so I have a lot of "room" even above head height. I'm am not entirely sure what one end will be anchored to, but I am so jazzed at the thought, that most likely I will run out first thing in the morning and buy and put up the net (anything netlike should be fine). Lets just say that right now my empty box and foam collection takes up about one 8x10 rooms worth of my garage and house.

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New finds & the Woz!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- >It might be added here that I very much enjoy something called ARDF (Amateur >Radio Direction Finding.) The same techniques can be used to find such >devices rather easily :). I had one that defied that somewhat. Used two antennas with diversty mode switching (both location and polarization). It was a favorite pastime. Allison

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New finds & the Woz!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Dwight Elvey <elvey(a)hal.com> > I saw an article that showed that one could put >two junction fets together in such a manner that >it made a negative resistance curve like a tunnel >diode. I did this and made a FM jammer. It used: Over the years I've used... UV201 (old valve) 6c4 (no nearly so old valve) 2n170 (ge transistor FT about 30mhz) real tunnel diode (1n3117) hand picked diode with transistor (basic osc and comb generator) (generates uniform level rf carrier every 500khz through ~100mhz) Zener with 60db gain centered at 100mhz (very white noise!) My favorite 2n706 (Si NPN computer transistor) WIDE FM modulated with White noise source (zener followed with gain). pseudo random digial word driving PLL (every frequency possible on 50khz centers for an octave, 100-200mhz) >I would think that a standard oscillator could be >done with less transistors but it would require more not many, One fet, cap, coil, bypass cap, battery. >of this was on FM. A few blanked out signals would eventually >cause the person listening to hunt for another channel. >FM goes completely quite when jammed, unlike AM that squeals. AM squeals are avoided by being exactly on freq and holding that. ;) Allison

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CP/M 1.3 memory requirement

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> >On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, Jeff Hellige wrote: > >> What is the least amount of memory that CP/M 1.3 will run in? > >Well, I am not at all certain about 1.3, but I have a DRI distribution >disk for 2.2 that is set up for 20k. Don, 1.3 and 1.4 were built as 16k for the distribution disks. Allison

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Storage idea!!!

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Regarding cargo nets attached to the garage ceiling. I also thought of the same idea, but an interesting occurrence has made me cautious. I have several articles attached to my garage ceiling, mainly sail boat parts and one had a rope release hanging on it. The dangling rope release wrapped around the front bar on the car-top carrier on my wife's van, which pulled the article off the ceiling, my wife now has a cracked windshield on the van. I have now shortened the release and taped all loose ends together. It also made me worry about some item falling onto the car if the attachment screws pulled out. I now worry less because all of the stuff is now above my car!! Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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IBM P70 PS/2 machine

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> asked about the IBM P70 Two links all about the IBM PS/2 P70 red plasma display machine http://incolor.inetnebr.com/jshorney/p70.htm http://www.tavi.co.uk/ps2pages/p70.html I happen to have a P75 but I'm also missing the keyboard. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Maxtor P0-12S

by ncherry＠home.net

Does anyone have a Maxtor P0-12S they would like to part with. I accidentally set mine on fire and need a new circuit board for it. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)home.net http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)

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Emergency Multics Rescue Needed!!!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Ok, I'm forwarding this as-is. Hopefully someone has the $$$ and the will to do something about it. -dq ------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Douglas, The Multics system that was shut down today at Halifax will likely be available for purchase from Gov't of Canada "Crown Assets" soon. I should mention that the configuration is, roughly speaking, 3 x Multics CPU. Also, modifications (by Alan Haggett) had it running as Y2K compatible. ***SYSTEM WILL BE SOLD WITHOUT DISKS*** (due to security considerations). Disks are supposed to be available through third party suppliers. Serious inquiries to purchase this system as a workable system (capable of booting from tape, etc.) will only be useful for the next few days, as the current plan is to break up the unit in about 2 weeks, i.e. about 13Nov2000. The disposal of the system is being coordinated by Mr. Dave Renshaw. Please contact him for further information as per: Dave Renshaw, DND Marlant N6353 HQ Bldg D201, 3rd Floor P.O. Box 99000 Stn Forces Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada B3K 5X5 Tel: 902-427-0550 ext. 2554 Fax: 902-427-6626 Email: d.renshaw(a)dnd.ca Thanks, -- John McLeod, Senior Scientific Programmer, SIM Group ------------------------------------------------------------- Defence Research Establishment Atlantic (DREA) Mail Address... Courier Delivery Address... P.O. Box 1012 9 Grove Street Dartmouth, NS Dartmouth, NS CANADA B2Y 3Z7 CANADA B3A 3C5 E-mail: john.mcleod(a)drea.dnd.ca Phone : 902-426-3100 ext. 151 Fax : 902-426-9654 Web : www.drea.dnd.ca ------------------------------------------------------------- John McLeod wrote: > <----cut-----> > > Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > ISTR a discussion about the Canadian DND systems, > > where someone said one of the two had already been > > shut down some time back, making only one left. > > > > John, would they (the powers that be) be willing > > to consider offers from a bona fide institution > > intrested in preserving the system? The museum > > in California has the Dockmaster system, but when > > I mentioned the passing of this system on the > > classic computer mailing list, it generated some > > heat, and we have some curators on that list. > > > > If there's simply no chance, let me know... > > > > -dq > > <----cut-----> > > > > -dq > > >

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Wierd Stuff note

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/28/00 8:23:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, leec(a)slip.net writes: > I'm also looking for a keyboard and mouse for a SUN Sparcstation I recently > acquired (thanks Kirk!). I also need a cable to connect a Sony monitor with > a 5 coax connectors on the back (R-G-B and a Sync for VD and HD). Any hints > where I should look (other than wierd stuff and $UN). Mouse Systems which > produced optical mice for SUN workstations seems to no longer be in > business. THanks for any pointers. > > Lee Courtney > A business close by sells these.. According to their web site, a type 4 unix kb, mouse and pad will go for $20 plus shipping (from NJ). I called and asked if they have any left for that price and the guy said "As many as you want". Their web site is http://www.compsyscon.com Phone - 908 689-5500 Have fun, and if anyone ever wsould be interested in slipping a Sparc my way, just let me know! -Linc Fessenden

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vms accounts

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Could someone give me the quick walk through on what it takes to create an account in VMS 7.2? I used to know this, but it's been a long time. The steps I remember are: 1. use authorize to add an identifier for the person. 2. use authorize to add the person. 3. create their directory. 4. use authorize to set their password and clear the disuser flag. 5. log in on squeeky clean new account. The problem is, I have an account on my vaxstation, but either I never managed to get it to work or I forgot thet password. The security alerts that come up in audit server tell me my password is bad, even when I'm typing in what I just used authorize mod jim/password=<whatever> to set. Thanks. And I have to say ELM looks somehow more *right* on a vt220 amber monitor than it does in a window. :) -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BeOS Powered! -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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I'm back! (and other things)

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

First of all I'd just like to say a big hello to all the group members. Yes, I did make it through boot camp, & now I'm up in Groton for sub school. Anyway, I was wondering if anybody had a working Apple Newton 2100 (or upgraded 2000) with all of the stuff it came with (dock station, CD, stylus, manuals, etc.) that they would be willing to let go for cheap. Can you help me? Also, if the Newton has the keyboard, I don't want it, but if it has a carry case, I'll take it. ____________________________________________________________ David Vohs, Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian. Home page: http://www.geocities.com/netsurfer_x1/ Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64C, 1802, 1541, FSD-1, GeoRAM 512, MPS-801. "Leela": Macintosh 128 (Plus upgrade), Nova SCSI HDD, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A, TI Speech Synthesizer. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. "Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer 3, Disto 512K RAM board. "Boombox": Sharp PC-7000. ____________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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Multics and CTSS

by SPEDRAJA＠mail.ono.es

> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:39:51 -0400 > From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> > Subject: RE: classiccmp-digest V1 #407 Hello, Douglas: > A guy named Roger Roach who is or was at MIT > supposedly has magtapes containing the CTSS > d ocumentation. If he does still have them, > I doubt he would release them from his possession, > and I don't think he personally has the time > to try to recover the contents. :-( > He might permit a researcher access to the > tapes at a facility local to MIT or wherever > he now happens to be. Maybe in my next vacations. :-> No, seriously, maybe a goal that this tapes could be translated to Pc Format like Paul Pierce made with IBSYS and PR150, two OS's for the 709 (if I remember good...). > I do not know Roger; I got this information > from a third party. Well, if would be possible to contact via this third party... > Most of Multics is written in PL/I; unfortunately, > PL/I compilers are hard to come by. I have two PC PL/1 compilers and some other from CP/M and know somwthing of the language. I am waiting one book from IBM that I suppose will complete my stuff to begin. > I, too, have had Java recommended to me as a language > for implementing emulators. I have concerns about its > performance. I needed to work with Java from two months from now to develop one financial application to my job. It offers all what I need to develop this emulators but specially to simulate a time-sharing system. Teorically all the papers about Multics that have now maybe sufficient to simulate something like the pagination mechanism. and the virtual memory. The specifications about the first Multics let me do a virtual disk from 4 Millions of words of 36 bits. There is an study about the modules that compounds the kernel and the recommendations to reduce its size. I have some source code in PL/1 of some Multics utilities and a list of 314 commands like appears in http://www.multicians.org/multics-commands.html ... I only needs the messages of the commands to simulate them but logically I should agree the source code :-) And, in other way, the mechanism of console or terminal session that Multics used. That's all for now. I prefers at this instance to made an hipotetical machine that runs the System before than a real General Electric 635/645. Even I'm not interested by now in the security mechanism that were developed later. Well, that's all for now. Thanks for your kindly answer, Douglas. Greetings from Spain. ---------- Sergio Pedraja Administracion de Sistemas Division de Tecnologia Caja Cantabria Spain ---------- mailto: spedraja(a)mail.ono.es, spedraja(a)casyc.es ----------

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DEBNT installation

by jate＠uwasa.fi

Here's the DEBNT installation from VAX 8200/8300 Installation Guide. I really remembered that I had the real docs for DEBNT but I can't find them at the moment, anyway here goes: 4.8 DEBNT INSTALLATION 1. Remove processor cabinet front and rear doors 2. From the rear of the processor cabinet, release the BA32 box track lock (Figure 2.14). 3. Slide the BA32 box out of the cabinet. 4. Remove the BA32 box top cover. 5. Insert the T1034 module in the VAXBI cardcage. 6. Rotate the BA32 box up and remove the bottom cover. 7. Install the transition header on the backplane if the slot holding the T1034 module. 8. From the rear of the BA32 box, open the appropriate cable restraint and feed the transition end of the DEBNT cable into the box. Pull enough of the cable into the box to feed the cable under and through the rear brace and up to the backplane of the slot that holds the T1034 module. 9. Connect the DEBNT cable to zone E (left) of the transition header on the backplane of the slot that holds the T1034 module. 10. Connect the 12V power cable from the power supply distribution board to the pigtail connector on the DEBNT cable. 11. Close the cable restraint at the rear of the BA32 box. NOTE Route the DEBNT cables separately from the power cables insider the processor cabinet. 12. Replace the BA32 box bottom cover. 13. Rotate the BA32 box down. 14. Connect the DEBNT cables to the distribution panel. 15. Replace the BA32 box top cover. 16. Power up the system. The DEBNT self-test runs upon power up. Check that the yellow LED on the T1034 module lights. If the yellow LED does not light, refer to the DEBNT Ethernet Tape Controller Technical Manual. 17. Refer to the DEBNT Ethernet Tape Controller Technical Manual for the complete acceptance procedure. 18. Slide the BA32 box into the processor cabinet. 19. Replace the processor cabinet front and rear doors. -- Jarkko Teppo jate(a)uwasa.fi

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CP/M 1.3 memory requirement

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

What is the least amount of memory that CP/M 1.3 will run in? -- Power Computing PowerCurve, 400mhz G3, Mac OS 9.0.4 Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems: http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

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VAX 6000 available in Austin, TX

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a VAX 6000-410 (complete with everything BUT disk controller and HDs; this has 2 x 32mb RAM cards and CPU, etc, but was used as a cluster node) that I picked up a few months ago intending to ressurect it and play with it occasionally, but a couple of things have stopped me >from doing that: 1. Hot as hell in the garage in summer in Texas. 2. Cant find the plans to convert from 115V 3phase to 220/240V single 3. No available outlet for it when I *do* find the plans to convert it. (adding another one turned out to be prohibitively expensive). 4. No time!!!! Anyway, if anybody on this list within driving distance of Austin, TX would like a free (well, something in exchange would be nice, smaller VAXen, ham radio equipment, etc but if nothing lse, come get it and its yours) VAX 6000 system, let me know. You'll need at least a small pickup truck and at least two people to load it into said truck; its fairly heavy. I'd help, but I'm still under doctors orders to not lift anything major for another few weeks (pulled ligaments in my wrists while rackmounting a Sun E450 @ work a couple weeks ago). Pictures of the VAX (along with serial #s, card inventory, etc) are up at http://www.decvax.org/vax6000. I'm not gonna junk the machine, but someone could be getting more use out of it right now than I can... so until it finds a better home, its in the garage. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Anyone Need Some 5.25" DSDD Diskettes?

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

> I have several boxes of these diskettes, many more than I'll ever need. > > All are new, in original boxes. > > If you need any then please let me know. > > Thanks, > Kevin > Kevin, I'd be interested in some of those. Where about are you located? g.

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Reading Xenix backups

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Seeing the mention of the Shugart QD floppy drive brought to mind an Altos 586T that I used to have that used this drive, along with a Wangtek 60MB streaming tape drive. This was an 8086 based server released around 1983 that ran XENIX and used a number of Z80's to handle the I/O on both the serial ports and disk subsystem. I no longer have the machine itself as it was horribly corroded by the time I got it, though I do have a replacement Wangtek tape drive and a copy of the XENIX floppy disks for it, as well as two 3M DC300XL/P data cartridges that supposedly contain a full system backup. Short of finding another 586T, is there any way of at least checking the data integrity of these tapes? thanks and take care Jeff -- Power Computing PowerCurve, 400mhz G3, Mac OS 9.0.4 Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems: http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

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Monitor for iSBC 8024

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> wrote: > So, yes, folks...the Z80 seems to be gearing up for a second > life...this time as an embedded processor. There are many variations I'd say that it's been there for a while. Ever look at an Adaptec 1542CF ISA SCSI card? A little bit above dead center is a Z80, clearly marked. -Frank McConnell

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Monitor for iSBC 8024

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > Of course, but now it's *only* doing that, mainstream-wise. I was >attempting to point out the shift in role from being a mainstream >general-purpose processor to being one used almost entirely for >embedded applications. It was the rare and maybe only thing Zilog did right and that was persuing the embedded market back around 84-86 timeframe. That was the breakpoint for PCs taking over and Z80 based systems and their like starting to loose influence. that and the Z8 business kept them going. The next big break was the Hitachi licensed 64180 (z180) giving the embedded designer a MMU, sio, DMA on chip and it was a little faster. I see things like that as important to the evolution of the microprocessor market and the chips. The same forces would also keep the 6502 in the running. Allison

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Monitor for iSBC 8024

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> And as the plain ole Z80 as well. The embedded systems world is >crazy about it, using it all over the place. I know a guy (younger You ainnt kiddin. >He just hates the PIC and the 8051. (I don't know what his problem is, >I like 'em both a lot) They have their place. ;) PIC is one I"ve not worked with but back 20 years I wrote code for the single chip 4bitters and they were the same thing and not all that bad. > I explained that I was running a Z80-based general-purpose computer >fifteen years ago (an IMSAI with a CCS Z80 CPU board which I still Late adoptor? the first Z80 for me was 1977 (january), NS* running at the astronomical speed of 4mhz. That makes that board 23.8 years old. >have) as my main machine, and that the Z80 processor was a >general-purpose machine that was very popular in the 70s and 80s...and >was definitely nothing "new". > > Know what? HE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME!! Caution clue LART in use. I'd have smacked him in the snout with a rolled up Zilog data book, Ca 1976. > So, yes, folks...the Z80 seems to be gearing up for a second >life...this time as an embedded processor. There are many variations No, its been there for the last, oh 15 years doing that. >as Allison stated above, but the standard 40-pin dip that we all >built SBCs out of years ago is at the head of the pack. > > Scary. But kinda cool in a way. Actually the raw Z80 is not seen much in new designs but it's later fellows are very much there. It's one of the most commonly available of the old line CPUs. If the 6800 were still available from Moto (68705 is) it would be used still as is the 6502 decendants. Like PDP-8, PDP11, VAX, Nova, 6502, 6800 and many others a good design is hard to displace. Oh and the CMOS 8085 also went to mars to push rocks around very successfully (mars rover). Allison

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DSQD floppy drives needed for KAYPRO II with Advent Turbo Rom

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> >On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, Bill Dawson wrote: >> Anyone on the list have one or two DSQD (DD,96TPI) they can spare at a >> reasonable cost? > >For MOST situations, MOST 1.2M drives can be configured as a >substitute. You want to keep the rotational speed at 300RPM, but go to >the 96TPI step, and keep the write current at the "360K" level. > >However, using the "right" drive is always a little easier. >Do you need full height or half height? The TEAC 55F does that natually and the 55GFV jumpers to that mode easily. The latter was used for DEC RX33, PC 1.2mb and a lot of other uses so it's pretty easy to find. I have a pot load as it's about the most versitle drive in the 96tpi class. The mitsubishis are a good second choice and also widely used in PCs. >For half height, I like the Shugart/Panasonic 465, although not everyone >is happy with those. This is slow and not very well known for reliability. Rather scarce too. Allison

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DSQD floppy drives needed for KAYPRO II with Advent Turbo Rom

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> >On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, ajp166 wrote: >> >Anyone on the list have one or two DSQD (DD,96TPI) they can spare at a >> >reasonable cost? >> the best choice is FD55GFV or the FD55E series. I happen to use the GFV. > >Do you prefer the Teac 55GFV (1.2M) over the 55F (720K)? The 55GFV for this use is jumperd so that its running as the 55F and 720k mode. They are interchageable in this app with one note: the 55GFV is far more common. >Good point! 720K 3.5" tends to be a lot more convenient for media and >withstanding abuse than 720K 5.25" I've been running one that way for several years. The drive I burried inside as "A:" is one of those oddball IBM PS/2 no bezel types. By doing that the externally accessable drives are uncommitted and makes space available. Allison

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Monitor for iSBC 8024

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 29, ajp166 wrote: > >the near future. I'm quite sure nobody is going to hire me to generate > code > >for the Z80 or 8080. I've been known to write code in assembler as > well, > >but haven't done anything for hire in about 10 years that has required > Z80 > >or 8080 coding. > > > While I understand the desire it's all outside the scope of the original > problem to test and apparently use a bunch of 8085 multibus cards. > > Oh, z80 is still out there as Z180, Z380 and Rabbit for embedded > apps and CPU library cores in gate arrays. And as the plain ole Z80 as well. The embedded systems world is crazy about it, using it all over the place. I know a guy (younger fellow, just out of college, only learned what the college decided to teach him, very naive) who works for a defense contractor...sent me email the other day asking if I'd see the neat "NEW" processor called the Z80. What a great embedded processor it is, he babbled. He was quite pleased that someone finally came out with a really nice cpu that had an instruction set that made sense for the embedded world to use. He just hates the PIC and the 8051. (I don't know what his problem is, I like 'em both a lot) I explained that I was running a Z80-based general-purpose computer fifteen years ago (an IMSAI with a CCS Z80 CPU board which I still have) as my main machine, and that the Z80 processor was a general-purpose machine that was very popular in the 70s and 80s...and was definitely nothing "new". Know what? HE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME!! So, yes, folks...the Z80 seems to be gearing up for a second life...this time as an embedded processor. There are many variations as Allison stated above, but the standard 40-pin dip that we all built SBCs out of years ago is at the head of the pack. Scary. But kinda cool in a way. -Dave McGuire

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DSQD floppy drives needed for KAYPRO II with Advent Turbo Rom

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

Anyone on the list have one or two DSQD (DD,96TPI) they can spare at a reasonable cost? I have a Kaypro II with the Advent Turbo Rom and would like to take advantage of its capabilities. Thanks, Don, for all the help. Bill

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DSQD floppy drives needed for KAYPRO II with Advent Turbo Rom

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Bill Dawson <whdawson(a)mlynk.com> >Anyone on the list have one or two DSQD (DD,96TPI) they can spare at a >reasonable cost? the best choice is FD55GFV or the FD55E series. I happen to use the GFV. Before going to 3.5' drives. Also you need the drive personality board or turborom will not run in other than 40 track mode. If you have trouble finding a suitable set of drives let me know. I may add that I kept a 360k (DD48tpi) in the system as that is common media (odd disk finds I'd like to read with uniform). Also you can use 3.5" floppies (anyone that has jumper or switch for DS0-3). Use them with 720k media and it's nice. Another trick is to put a 3.5" drive internal and treat it like a hard disk. This is my current config and that gives me roughly 1.8mb of space (A:781k, B:360k, C: 781k). One of the CP/M oddities is once you get drive size orver 500k space as a problem seems to drop off quickly as an issue. Allison

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SMC 2010, 2009 & 3007 dip chips???

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Innfogra(a)aol.com <Innfogra(a)aol.com> >I have a SMC 2010B with a date code of 7736 in Ceramic with gold legs. Is >this a second source of the Western Digital or something different? SMC was the WD second source and at times prime delivery. Allison

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INS8154 used in Cytospin

by abrarwadera＠hotmail.com

Dear Sirs We have many cytospins which are centrifuges esed in cytology departments and the peripherals chips used are INS8154N, we are not able to find any of them from any source. Can you suggest any or some equivalents. With Regards Abrar _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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INS8154 used in Cytospin

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>By the way: I'm allmost ready with the Elekor SC/MP emulator >when finaly done I will may it aviable. Ok which version of the SC/MP? ISP8A500 (PMOS part) isp8a600 (aka 8060 NMOS) SC/MPII 807x (the 8073 was the version with NIBBLE a Tiny BASIC in internal rom) There were subtle to not so subtle differences. I have two of the three (original PMOS and 8073). Allison

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New aquisition

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>Happy vax, it now has a console. :) Of course I have to load the new license >pack somehow. I have it on a dos floppy, is there any nice way to get my >vaxstation to mount this? >-- >Jim Strickland >jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com Run VMSlicense and type in the info... it's not that hard. VMS cant' mount dos. The easy way would be to push it through the PC(or whatever) serial line while emulating a console. Allison

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Monitor for iSBC 8024

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> Use the editor that comes with the mailer, please. >Actually, it's not simple at all to set up the boards with dozens of jumpers >and pin fields for strappable options. Moreover, while the port locations >are pretty simple to set up in accordance with the "default" settings, there >are numerous things that, while not left to chance, are not completely clear >as described in the doc. As if I dont know this? I have an ISBC80/10 and a BLC80204 plus several Hurikon Multibus boards. It's a task I've done before along with designing for multibus. Whats the point? You set up the board to a common config and with that write a dumb monitor for those addresses. Added t that code is some diagnostic stuff to blink leds or toggle lines that would otherwise do nothing to show there is a cpu and some ram operational if it doesnt talk to the console. >> code generator was created. >> >I didn't mean to suggest I want to produce a code generator for those, as >they already exist. I just don't want to wade into a new compiler if it >doesn't support several commonly used MCU's. The Hi-Tech compiler is I havent a clue why you said that at all since the origin of the smallc-c compiler is 8080? I still have the original DDJ articles with sources. Allison

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New aquisition

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Well, I just purchased a VT220 (amber) and a scsi box from Will Jennings. Cost me $50 and a cardboard box, delivered. Will's a good guy to deal with. Happy vax, it now has a console. :) Of course I have to load the new license pack somehow. I have it on a dos floppy, is there any nice way to get my vaxstation to mount this? -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BeOS Powered! -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Monitor for iSBC 8024

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> >I have the original manual, and it has no hint of a monitor, aside from one >they sold as a separate product. I'm planning to use the monitor to test >the various boards I have. Then you dont have the software manual. My memory of the board was three books a users manual, one on the hardware, and the software manual. I know as I loaned out the software manual for my 80/10 years ago and never saw it again. >According to the Intel doc's, the 8010,8020, and 8024 boards all used the >same hardware addresses, as did the monitors they sold for them. That will >serve me well, as I intend to use a script running on a terminal emulator on >the PC in order to verify proper operation of the various features on the >board. As long as you know the addresses and setup for the ports and all it's pretty simple. >while the 8024 has an 8085. It was not a very nice piece of work, so I'm >hopeful I can find something a bit more up to date. The Intel monitor was >delivered to the customer who paid for it back in the '70's, and I haven't >seen one since. I'm just not interested in writing a monitor just for the They never changed it much save for a bug fix or two through the early 80s. use the monitor for the SBCs either the 8080 or 8085. Intel had the same basic one they used all over the place. >Does anybody know the Hi-Tech 'C' compiler for CP/M well enough to know >whether it produces 8080 code? It does, its a compiler switch. Crummy code though. >half-a-dozen 'C' compilers for CP/M, any one of which should produce 8080 >code, but AFAIK the Hi-tech (Pacific) compiler is the only one that also has >a version for several other CPU's as well, so it would be worth using just >for the exercise. I could justify writing an original monitor in a 'C' >dialect portable to several MCU's, but not just one. I might as well do >that in assembler. It's your pain. I dream in 8080/85/z80 so its no big deal to write a 1k monitor. It's likely easier now as I have a basic monitor on hand that ive used for years and could be tweeked for that. Of course any of the published monitors for 8080 like the LLL AMS80 (KILOBAUD) monitor will do as well. If you have Burskys book The S100 bus handbook there is a copy of Vector Ones monitor in there. A monitor for a a ISBC80xx or BLC80xx is a rather basic thing and should easily fit in a 2716 (I've done nice ones for 2708!). >Aztec, BDS, Whitesmith, among others, are all history. <sigh> Maybe the >"small-C" (Hendrix) could be used, since I can write my own code generator. >I'd rather skip that step though. small-C _IS 8080_! that was the original version, it was later that z80 code generator was created. Allison

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H-89....

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 08:15 AM 10/28/00 -0700, Gene wrote: >> buy the OS. I hand disassembled the H-17 ROM and figured >> how to read and write to the floppy. I took a 8080 listing >> for a FIG Forth and put that on it with my disk interface >Now THAT is dedication. :) > >> docs and such that I have as well. Maybe someone local can >> scan stuff that that I don't have the time to deal with. >> ( I live in Santa Cruz Ca. ). > >This would be great! Thanks! > >g. > Gene, It looks like you're getting offers for stuff from all over the place. It should be a GOOD website. Joe

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INS8154 used in Cytospin

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> >National made an extension on the 8048, i.e. the 8050, and the 8035 in the >form of an 8040. It had 256 bytes of on-board RAM, but otherwise pretty >well compatible with the Intel parts. They pushed it pretty hard for a year >or two. Signetics did the 8050 as well. I know I have their manuals and 5 or 10 of the NSC8050s (pull EA and you have romless usability. I was NEC single chip product support during those years. So from about 76 to 85 I ahve a pretty good collection of intel or intel compatable vendors docs. Allison

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OpenVMS Hobbyist layered products

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> >> > My Sparcstation was never so strange. I guess Unix is Unix is Unix, but >> > VMS is odd. ;) From the point of view of someone that went OS/8->TOPS10->CP/M->RT-11->RSTS11->VMS Unix is odd. Seriously, I have no beef with unix save for just like DEC OSs are a culture thing so it is for unix as well. Allison

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INS8154 used in Cytospin

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> >Well, I checked my 1980 National Semi MCS-48 data book and found not only >that there was no 8154, but that the 8155 and 8156 were not listed (yet) >either. They did make them, however, because I have them (INS8155,56) among >my parts. The NS8156/55 were introduced a year or so later. >would appear together with products coming from device families intended to >replace the MCS-48. It must have lived iwithin a fairly narrow window. National did the 804x for a while. >NEC and a few others made the 8155 and '56, so they might have made a >version of the 8154 as well. They did not. the 8154 was an oddball part. Allison

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Monitor for iSBC 8024

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> I've not yet found a board-resident monitor for the Intel iSBC 8024 board. I've got a number of these on hand and have used sadly inadequate resources that worked (barely) for what I've been doing with them, but would like to make it worthwhile writing a set of test scripts for my notebook funcitoning as a terminal attached to the iSBC 8024. Find the manual for that. The code they used it in it. Also they used the same monitor in a lot of products with mostly address changes. Allison

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OpenVMS Hobbyist layered products

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

At 04:29 PM 10/27/00 -0400, you wrote: >I'd like to network the machine via TCP/IP. The hobbyist cd is supposed >to contain the TCP/IP product, but I must confess I have no idea even how >to see the contents of the cd. I can mount it and install products like >Motif IF I know what the product package's NAME is..... Its damn confusing isn't it? Unfortunately the Montegar CD-ROM is a mess when it comes to kits, some have kits some don't, very sad. Here are some clues: You can get a directory of the CD by mounting it and typing: $ DIR DKAxxx:[000000] (note that is six zeros) You can leave off the zeros when you find a directory, ie : $DIR DKAxxx:[TCPIP_VAX050] If you find a directory full of savesets (they will be named "foo.A foo.B foo.C etc") then you can install them with: $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL foo [directory spec where the save sets are] So for TCPIP it is $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL TCPIP_VAX050 DKA400:[TCPIP_VAX050.KIT] Note that KIT is a subdirectory of TCPIP_VAX050 and you need your CD-ROM's target not mine :-) If on the otherhand you find a file that ends with the PCSI extension, then that is designed to be installed by the PCSI system. You do that using: $ product install NAME /SRC=[directory] Note if you don't know what its name should be (and believe me it can be tough to guess some times) then just type: $ product install /src=[directory] And when it asks for a name type * there will be only one choice and it will be chosen for you. > Basicly I have navigation troubles. Yes, there are those "logical" names versus the "real" name of the drives. Some clues there are : [000000] is the root directory [foo] is a file FOO.DIR in the root directory [foo.bar] is the file BAR.DIR in the FOO directory Typing $ SET DEFAULT [directory spec] Is like doing a "CD to directory" and typing $ SET DEFAULT [-] Is like typing "CD .." --Chuck

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VCF 1 Midwest

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Hope to have the event here in the Twicities after the snow leaves ext spring (2001). Still looking for more volunteers to help with the work. Also talking with some companies about being cash sponsors for the event along with prizes to give away. That's about all I want to give out right now until I have things locked down, but more to come. John Keys

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INS8154 used in Cytospin

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> >That would explain why it wasn't listed among the MCS-48 parts . . . It >should be "in there" someplace, though. It was part of the NSC SC/MP product line and as such oddball. The 8154 with a 74374 otherwise worked fine with the 8748 and offered features that only 8255 and 6810 woud supply in a single 40 pin package. Allison > >Dick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: ajp166 <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 2:25 PM >Subject: Re: INS8154 used in Cytospin > > >> No, >> >> They are incompatable with several mods and huge pinout difference. >> Also the 8155/56 are 8085 muxed bus parts and the 8154 was >> National microbus (not muxed). >> >> Allison >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> Date: Saturday, October 28, 2000 3:18 PM >> Subject: Re: INS8154 used in Cytospin >> >> >> >I'll look later for the INS8154, but the Intel 8155 and 8156 were both >> RAMs >> >with 16 bits of I/O controllable on a bitwise basis like the bits in a >> 6821 >> >. . . Could one of those work? >> > >> >Dick >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Sipke de Wal <sipke(a)wxs.nl> >> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> >Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 12:33 PM >> >Subject: Re: INS8154 used in Cytospin >> > >> > >> >> This is a National Semiconductor I/O-chip with internal RAM. >> >> I don't think you will find easy replacements because this was >> >> a very NS-only chip with no second sourcing. >> >> >> >> It was used in Science of Cambrigde's (Clive Sinclair) MK 14 >> >> >> >> Sipke de Wal >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: abrar wadera <abrarwadera(a)hotmail.com> >> >> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> >> Cc: <abrar.wadera(a)del2.siemens.co.in> >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 5:46 PM >> >> Subject: INS8154 used in Cytospin >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Sirs >> >> > We have many cytospins which are centrifuges esed in cytology >> >departments >> >> > and the peripherals chips used are INS8154N, we are not able to find >> any >> >of >> >> > them from any source. Can you suggest any or some equivalents. >> >> > >> >> > With Regards >> >> > >> >> > Abrar >> >> > >> >________________________________________________________________________ >> _ >> >> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >> >http://www.hotmail.com. >> >> > >> >> > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> >> > http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >

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AT&T 7300

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 28, Mike Kenzie wrote: > I stopped by the local recyclers today and they had an AT&T > 7300 for $40 > Does anyone here know anything about this machine? Eric Smith seems to have summed it up pretty well. I'll just add my $0.02...I've had a couple of them in my day, including one when they were almost new back in...oh, I think it was 1985. If you don't mind dropping the $40, I'd say go grab it. I find 7300s (and 3b1s) to be delightful little machines. With one of the nicest feeling keyboards I've ever used, too. -Dave McGuire

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