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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

VAX running VMS. -----Original Message----- From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> To: Classic Computers Mailing List <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 2:28 PM Subject: Question about Delphi > >Does anyone know what mainframes the online service Delphi ran on? > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > >

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TV Tuner cards (Correction)

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

On 2000-12-14 classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org said to kees.stravers(a)iae.nl >> Looking through the manual for my ATI ALL-IN-WONDER PRO, >>it gives the impression that it works on both NTSC and Pal. >Sorry, I found the box the ATI board came in and it is labeled TV >input NTSC only. The Matrox Marvel G400-TV can record and playback in both PAL and NTSC. Kees. -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - kees.stravers(a)iae.nl http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/ My home page (old computers,music,photography) http://www.vaxarchive.org/ Info on old DEC VAX computers Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

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Anyone else with an interest in Fortune Systems ?

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

Hi all: I have an old "Fortune Systems 32:16", circa 1983. This was a great little 68000 based unix box which I used to rent out to a skeptical former employer who was wasting ridiculous amounts of money on mainframe time. (It paid itself back several times) Anyone else out there have an interest in these ? Despite the fact that unix is never really out of date, there are three things that make this box a dinosaur: (1) It lacks any sort of networking beyond its serial port (2) It requires specially formatted 800K, 5-1/4 floppies (3) The bus looks like the original IBM PC bus, but it is not. I wish I had some specs on it. Rob Kapteyn kapteynr(a)cboe.com

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Anyone else with an interest in Fortune Systems ?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 14, Rob Kapteyn wrote: > I have an old "Fortune Systems 32:16", circa 1983. Wow, I seem to remember ads in BYTE Magazine for those machines. I've never actually seen one in person. If they were more common I'd love to get my hands on one. -Dave McGuire

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Question about Delphi

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 14, Neil Cherry wrote: > Most VAX are mini's (at least in my Opinion). I'm not sure exactly what > decides that a machine is a Main frame, a mini and a micro (yes I know > most desktops are micro's). I don't know what the specific popular definitions or dividing lines are, but by DEC's own opinions, all VAXen are minis except the VAX9000, which they called a mainframe. -Dave McGuire

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Vintage computers in movies

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> How about the pieces of the SAGE in 'Time Tunnel' (A US TV > Show from the mid-sixties.) > > I know we had a thread on this some time back. > > Or was it a big Burroughs system? Ah, yes... I think Irwin Allen used that system on Time Tunnel as well as Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, Lost in Space, and Land of the Giants. Wonder what became of it? -dq

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More VAX questions (RZ28 jumpers)

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Ok, thanks to Zane and Mitch I got my memory installed (and it _is_ really weird how one must order the simms. I now have from "back" to "front" : 16M, 4M, 16M, 4M, 4M, 16M, 4M, 16M for a total of 80M. This makes for a nice tasty VAX! Now I'm installing some hard drives in it (it didn't have any) and I've got an "H" block with an RZ28 and an RZ26 for it. Since I want this machine to be "dual boot" :-) I need to jumper the hard drives to spin up on power up. The RZ26 was easy since it had a jumper legend on the top of the drive but the RZ28 I've been guessing. And by trying several options (moving the jumper and powering up the drive) I've finally moved it to jumper #4 from the right. If anyone knows if this is the correct jumper (or incorrect jumper) for sure, let me know please! --Chuck

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VAX questions, memory

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I finally got my hands on a VAX 4000/90 (yipee!) and it now takes its place as my fastest VAX. It has 32MB of memory (8 x 4MB modules) and I was wondering if, because it looks a lot like a VAX 4000/60 if I could use memory modules from a 4000/60 in the 4000/90. Also since I've only got 4 16MB modules, can I mix 4MB and 16MB modules? --Chuck

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TI MicroProcessor Learning System ???

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Has anyone here ever seen one of these? Here's a picture from a TI bulletin, "http://www.intellistar.net/~rigdonj/a8/ti-mls.jpg". Joe

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mailing list issues

by jwest＠mppw.com

Several folks have asked about a problem yesterday sending email to the list. Yesterday the server that hosts the list was moved from one building to another, and it's IP address changed. Silly me didn't realize that a drive that normally takes 20 minutes takes 2.5 hours during a snowstorm. Thus, that server was down for a good portion of the day. Some of you may still have sporadic problems emailing to the list until the ip address change is fully propagated through DNS, but all should be well for everyone shortly. Please let me know if you still have any problems with the list after today. Thanks, and sorry for the interruption! Jay West

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Steve Wozniak on A&E Biography tonight

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Steve Wozniak is profiled on A&E's Biography tonight. > > And my hands make their television debut, playing Steve > Wozniak's hands in a couple re-enactments. > > Now that my hands have achieved celebrity status, they are > available for other bookings, such as dinner speeches, Bar > Mitzvahs and bachelorette parties. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sam, Sam... ;-) So, how much for a likeness of Woz in corned beef? -dq

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VCF Archive Online Searchable Database

by vcf＠siconic.com

I've put up an alpha version of the forthcoming VCF Archive Online Searchable Database. It is at: http://www.vintage.org/archive/ The only database currently available is the book database, and there are only currently 280 records (I have a loooong way to go :) The point of posting it now is to get feedback on the output format, the interface, and the data itself. It's very rudimentary currently. Eventually, everything in the VCF Archives will be catalogued and entered into the database. You'll be able to search on it and see if we have something you're in need of (hardware, software, documentation, etc). The point will be to facilitate the commercial entities we are increasingly serving but it will also serve to allow hobbyists to find things they are looking for, and hobbyists will always be allowed free access to the items in our archive (though we're not currently set up for that yet). So please take a quick look and let me know what you think. Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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CRT Problems was:(no subject)

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

-> Also, Several people have used intermittent in this context and I'm not -> quite sure I understand... it is intermittent in the fact that it -> intermittently starts and stops glowing... Yes. -> I have my TV closed again, but when I open it up again I want to have a list -> of all the things I need to look for and what to do about them. So far, I know -> I need to look for bad connections, broken 'pins', to make double sure the -> little mark is silvery instead of gray. However, all the wires and soldering -> seemed to be in tact, of the connections I could see everything was fine. The thing to look for as far as bad connections go is a cold solder joint. These are a result of thermal fatigue/cycling and physical stresses. You should look _very_ closely in the places Tony mentioned, especially where the CRT socket is soldered to the little board at the rear of the CRT and where the flyback is soldered to the mainboard. A cold solder joint will usually look normal without a close inspection (unless you have a lot of experience at these things), but a closer look will reveal a slight ring around the socket pin, flyback pin or wire, within the circumference of the solder pad. Sometimes the contact will be bad right at the solder/pin interface. That is unless the solder has totally popped away from the circuit pad, which is another type of cold solder joint related to initial improper soldering. I'd recommend resoldering every connection for the CRT socket and flyback transformer and seeing if this fixes the problem. If you are inexperienced at soldering/resoldering, I'm sure we can start a new thread. d8^) Bill

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amiga 500

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

I just got my hands on an amiga 500. I realise I have to get my hands on a workbench boot floppy for it, etc, and I have an idea what all the ports are on one. Does anyone have any tips, tricks, etc that I should know? Something like "how to wire a monitor cable and monitors that will work with it" would be a huge help. Whee! I've wanted an Amiga since they were new. :) -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BeOS Powered! -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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DECTalk DTC01

by r.stek＠snet.net

I recently picked up a mint condition (at least cosmetically) DTC01 - it's about the size of a small desktop PC with 2 25 pin serial ports, one for COMM and one for a terminal, two phone jacks, two audio jacks and a volume control. What I was looking for was a Votrax Type 'n' Talk or an IntexTalker, but hey, who's complaining? I did some searching and found that Megan has a commmand summary, Eric Smith has one, and maybe one or two others on the list. There is a list of some initialization commands and sparse docs on the web, but they are rooted in VMS and I don't speak DEC. Since this was way beyond my price range when it came out, I don't know much about it, so any help would be appreciated. What I am hoping is that, like the Intex or Votrax, I can just send a serial text stream to it and hear it spoken. This weekend I will break out my trusty Televideo terminal and fool around with it, but if anyone has docs, I'd happily pay copying/postage. Or just point me in the right direction. I was planning to see if just sending double-square-bracketed [[command string]] in straight ASCII allows me to control it. After that I'll use HyperTerminal to send it "The Hound of the Baskervilles" and let it read me to sleep! Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Professors worry that engineering students don't tinker

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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WANG, strange PC and Apple 1 prototypes

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 14, Iggy Drougge wrote: > >> Isn't it true that several years ago Wang came up with a new customer > >> programme called "Wang Care" and the guy that came up with the name was > >> fired? > > > I dunno about that, but I first heard it from the same guy that told > >me that Wang was merging with Siemens. > > They too? Fujitsu-ICL (Didn't they once devour Bull or Nokia data?) have > recently merged with Siemens' computer division, too. And they've managed to > make a mess out of their websites, too, unluckily for those of us looking for > a manual or other relevant info on our non-mainframes. Indeed. But I think you missed the reference. ;) -Dave McGuire

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x1541

by eweidenh1＠hotmail.com

I’m getting ready to make a x1541 cable to connect my Commodore 64 drive to the parallel port of my PC. Unfortunately, the existing instructions are a little to cryptic for a complete novice like me. For example, how do I distinguish between the 25 wires in the parallel cable? Is there a sequence I should follow? What’s the best way to connect the wires? Any advice would really be appreciated. Thanks all. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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Data Archival (OT Long)

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

EMC and other disk storage manufacturers are trying to convince everybody to move all of the data online and just buy more disk arrays when you need them. We are trying to setup a system to archive medical images and are required to keep the image for at least 25 years. The 25 years is 7 years past the point the child turns 18. Of course that could change. The medical archive manufacturers all swear that online storage is the way to go. Of course their true interest is the next quarters profit margin. I am from the old school and like off line backups. Now the question is what kind of off line backup. I have old thermafax medical reports that are 35 years old and are basically unreadable. Film at least will survive if it is stored properly. I know we have 8" floppy data of CT images from the late 70's and probably 1600 bpi 9-track tapes. I don't even try to read them. Everybody is converting their 16mm cardiac angiography movies from film to CD's. I think I need to develop a film based technology. There probably is some sort of microfilm already around. If you want real long term storage I have heard that there are people working on 10,000 year storage methods, etched iridium plates. For some reason I seem to remember that the genealogy people in Salt Lake City, Utah are working with this. Mike McFadden mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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VAX questions, memory

by junk＠keyways.com

>I finally got my hands on a VAX 4000/90 (yipee!) and it now takes its place >as my fastest VAX. It has 32MB of memory (8 x 4MB modules) and I was >wondering if, because it looks a lot like a VAX 4000/60 if I could use >memory modules from a 4000/60 in the 4000/90. Also since I've only got 4 >16MB modules, can I mix 4MB and 16MB modules? > >--Chuck The memory (MS44) from a 4000/60 will work in a 4000/90 in every case I've tried. All the simms in a bank must be the same capacity. I think there should be a diagram of the banks on the inside of the cover, or you can determine the banks by the etched/silkscreened numbers next to the simm sockets. I'm sending this email from a 4000/90a which was quite a step up from my VS3100/30. Good luck. Mitch Keyways

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WANG, strange PC and Apple 1 prototypes

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Adrian Graham wrote: > Isn't it true that several years ago Wang came up with a new customer > programme called "Wang Care" and the guy that came up with the name was > fired? I dunno about that, but I first heard it from the same guy that told me that Wang was merging with Siemens. Fa-tump-tump! -Dave McGuire

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Steve Wozniak on A&E Biography tonight

by vcf＠siconic.com

Steve Wozniak is profiled on A&E's Biography tonight. And my hands make their television debut, playing Steve Wozniak's hands in a couple re-enactments. Now that my hands have achieved celebrity status, they are available for other bookings, such as dinner speeches, Bar Mitzvahs and bachelorette parties. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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First personal computer nostalgia

by markp＠wccls.lib.or.us

1985,86? Atari 520ST, still have it, and thanks to John's question, anxious to put it back together and see how it's doing. My wife was still writing grad-school papers on it in '90 or so. 1st Word, no spell-check, no page numbering, not much formatting at all. The printer was a Silver Reed daisy-wheel typewriter with an optional interface box. (Still have that, too.) Clackety-clackety-clack. It paused between pages so you could switch paper. I recall with mixed fondness/not-so-fondness pulling all-night term paper sessions, the last hour or so of which consisted in sitting there, changing paper in the printer...zzzzzzzzz. At time of purchase, I was insanely jealous of my friend's Atari 1050ST with the humongous 1mb hard disk: "The silence of those infinite spaces terrified me." --Pascal. (Blaise, not Turbo.) 1996 Intercepted an IBM XT that a co-worker was tossing. Knew nothing from nothing, so never could get it to do much. Got it to find it its 10mb hard disk for exactly one format of PC-DOS, then I never saw C: again. You could still run PC-DOS and WordPerfect from the floppies when I gave it away. (Kinda wish I still had that one...) 2000 Bought a house with a BASEMENT, bwahahahaahaaaa! Have cluttered it all up with various PC clones in various states of completion/disrepair. Acquired a Mac SE, an old Zenith luggable which I haven't had time to check out yet (but I know it can't find its hard disk either), the Atari, a 90mb Bernoulli drive in its own carrying case, the Toshiba laptop mentioned elsewhere on this list. You guys have got years and years on me and have forgotten more than I'll ever know, but I really enjoy this list and learning about rescuing junkware. Thanks! ============================== Mark Price, Library Computer Specialist Washington County Cooperative Library Services e-mail: markp(a)wccls.lib.or.us voice: 503-846-3230 fax: 503-846-3220

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CRT Problems

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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Radio kits

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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G4IDE and ][GS disks

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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unlabeled media

by red＠bears.org

Howdy folks. I've got a bit of a dilemma on my hands. Included in my most recent rescue were a large number of 5.25" floppies and data cassettes---on the order of perhaps a hundred to a hundred fifty each. Only a handful of either are labeled in such a manner as to identify the type of machine they work with. It is safe to assume I have the hardware to use any of the media. The possibilites include: for 5.25" media: Apple II; Commodore VIC-20, C=64, or B128 (8050 drive); Atari 8-bits; Heath H89A; OSI C1P; TRS-80 Model I I'm assuming any hard-sectored media I find belongs to the Northstar Advantage. for data cassette: Apple II; Commodore VIC-20, or C=64; Atari 8-bits; OSI C1P; TRS-80 Model I, or Color Computer; Tomy Tutor; Coleco Adam; TI-99/4A; Spectravideo SVI 328 On top of this, there is the possibility that there are 'digital' data tapes for the Meta-80 drive which works with the TRS-80. From what I can tell, the cassettes are externally identical. I could iteratively run the entire 'unknown' batch through each machine, but it seems like the chance for error there is great, especially with the cassettes. Does anybody have any suggestions on how to do this so I end up with the least chance of error and minimize any destruction of data? Thanks. ok r.

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Vintage computers in movies

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Blah on all these lame PC (meaning personal and not necessarily IBM) pieces of garbage... One of the Jurassic Park movies (the 2nd one I think), has a Thinking Machines CM-5 in it... And I know there's an independant film that has a VAX 11/750 in it, I even own that particular VAX (well until I give it to Herr Stiebler).. that movie also feautres nifty IBM 3290 plasma display panels, which I also own. Will J _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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Vintage computers in movies

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

I think that the computer in Wierd Science was a Memotech FDX 500. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Kaiser [mailto:spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 11:39 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Vintage computers in movies > >> > What was the computer they used in Weird Science? Didn't they use > > > something > >> > unusual in Ferris Buhler's Day Off(did I spell his last name correctly?) > >> > >> I'm nearly certain Ferris had an IBM PC of some sort, and that the > >> computer in Weird Science was a Commodore, of the VIC-20 or C=64 variety. > > > >Yeah, Ferris had a PC. > > The script at http://members.tripod.com/~MrHyde/ferris.txt claims: > > 52 INT. FERRIS' ROOM : Ferris is at his Macintosh computer. He > has his record up on the screen. > > FERRIS > I wanted a car. I got a computer. How's > that for being born under a bad sign? I distinctly remember that computer having a 5.25" floppy, and that doesn't sound like a Mac to me :-) -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- I must confess, I was born at a very early age. -- Groucho Marx ------------

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HP 2392A Terminals free for pickup or cost of shipping

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

HP 2392A Terminals free for pickup or cost of shipping, pickup preferred. 7 are located in Philadelphia, PA and 7 are in Tampa, FL. All are still operational and include the original boxes. Please contact Lisa Flores at Abtech Systems by phone or email to make arrangements: (800)474-7397 (Carlsbad, CA) or lisax.flores(a)xabtechsys.com (remove the x's) Arrangements should be made ASAP. There may be much more HP equipment available in the future for free if this goes well. Abtech has HP and Sun equipment, along with other things such as Netservers, PC's and peripherals, etc. that are not worth shipping back to Carlsbad and may become available to listmembers in the future. Bill

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(no subject)

by webmaster＠ipom.com

I discharged my TV based on information I found on archives of this mailing list and some over-the-phone advice from a friend. The only difference was that I used a high-voltage probe instead of a resistor (attached the ground to the ground braid and dsicharged from the metal behind the suction cup). I then did some looking around in the dark and my heater seems to be malfunctioning... it doens't glow, it more sparks. The picture is really light and fades away to black. It will occasionally come back but usually fades again right away. So I looked along the little clear bulb on the back of the crt and ther was a small block dot on one part that looks like somethign underneith it had burned. The dot was about a cm in diameter.. maybe 2, but it was very small. Does this mean the heater is blown? If not is it a part I can buy and replace easily? Thanks. Phil -- Insanity Palace of Metallica www.ipom.com webmaster(a)ipom.com --

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STRIDE

by optimus＠canit.se

I was at the usergroup today and had a look at our Stride, which has been parked in the entrance since we moved in. It is a grey tower (large), with a pretty glass front featuring one 5?" flopyy drive and a tape drive. The back is filled with a dozen or so of modular connectors, as well as another modular marked LAN, and an unmarked IEC (?) connector. I also found some manuals. Some were relevant to a system called Unistride (is this an OS or a hardware system), whereas I directed my primpary interest to one owner's manual for the Stride 400 series and one manual for the Liaison Operating System with p-system. Another p-code system! Judging from manual illustrations, we've got the Stride 460 system, albeit lacking the terminal. We don't have any boot media, though. After some investigation, it seems to have been able to run a whole lot of OSes; Liaison/p-system, CP/M 68k as well as System V. Does anyone have some sources for boot media for this pretty system? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6.

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WANG, strange PC and Apple 1 prototypes

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Isn't it true that several years ago Wang came up with a new customer programme called "Wang Care" and the guy that came up with the name was fired? Anyway, whilst helping my company clear out its electronics test shop I came away with a few goodies, namely a couple of MicroVAX 2000s, a boxed IBM PS/2 laptop, a 100mhz Oscilloscope, a VR262 mono monitor, a VT220, a huge bundle of VAX and PDP cards, complete (I think) boardset for an RL02 drive AND a box containing some read/write heads, some MicroVAX 3100 memory (20mb! Woo), floppy controller and motherboard for a PRO380 (with the possibility of the machine itself coming too) and what I can only assume is a CPU testbed. It's an Amtron 386 PC with an interface card and strange 4 pin power-out sockets that connect to an array of long and heavy metal-encased boxes that have umbilicals on with sockets or connectors to plug in the CPUs themselves. I've got modules for 8086, 8088, 286, 386SX, 386DX, 486 and 68000 CPUs......haven't powered the machine up yet though. Anyone come across one of these before? As for that supposed prototype Apple 1 auction, the full size picture of it is at http://www.sfcapital.com/ebay/full.jpg..... it just seems odd to me that it's in a case when the final product didn't have one..... adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum

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radio kits

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:39:07 +0000 (GMT) > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > Subject: Re: Fw: Professors worry that engineering students > don't tinker > > involved). You started out making a crystal set, then added a single > audio stage (OC71), then a second stage (another OC71), then added a > loudspeaker (using an LT700 output transformer). And finally > you replaced > the crystal detector with the OC45 regenerative stage. > > I think the book is still around, even if the transistors are hard to > find now. I remember the son of a technician at a place I was > working a > few years back was building one -- I managed to find him some OC71s. > > I thought just about all UK hobbyists built this at one time > or another... Nope - I had (and still have) my Radio Shack crystal radio kit to tinker with, followed by one of the Science Fair electronics kits where you had loads of spring terminals and small jumper wires to build circuits with......I found it the other day and it was dated 1973 :) adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum

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Lee Felsenstein Sol article online

by frustum＠pacbell.net

List member Bob Stek has OCR'd a very interesting article written by Lee Felsenstein back in 1977 for ROM magazine. The subject of the article is how the Sol was designed and implemented, and the whirlwind events leading up to demoing the prototype. The original article that Bob OCR'd was supplied by Ray Borrill, whom I just turned onto this list and may be lurking. Ray, if you are there, take a bow and introduce yourself. Ray has had a long and interesting link to the now vintage micro field. Check out the article: http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/ROM_7_1977.pdf ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

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Put on your obscure toy hats gang!

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Ok... I'm now looking for some information/docs on the latest addition to the collection around the 'Garage': a Strand-Century Mini Light Palette theatrical lighting control console circa 1984. And before you ask, (cause I know you will) "what does this have to do with 'classic' computers?" Let me tell you! Beneath the somewhat utilitarian facade of this device, (pix soon to come) and only hinted at by the dual nine inch monochrome displays, hides a DEC Q-bus card cage, and an LSI-11 based microcomputer! Some 'standard' DEC cards, and a couple of custom cards make up the heart of this unit. And while it does have a floppy drive (5.25 inch), its core operating code resides on EPROM located on the CPU card. The unit is functional, and my intent is to put it to work in the manner in which it was intended. But, as with most things like this... Docs is good! <G> THanks! -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Ebay: PDP 16/M Super MiniComputer

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> >I just looked at Ebay and found out that the PDP 16/M is a roll-your-own PDP >8 or PDP 11. I sure wish DEC had let me know this information when I took >the maintenance classes on it at the Maynard training facility. Here I >always thought it was just a glorified solid state controller. We could have >saved some money instead of buying the 11/05 and 11/45s :). The URL is: It's neither an 8 or an 11. It was what you wanted it to be based on how you built it. Allison

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Wang t-shirt (humor?)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

First, Yes, Wang was indeed bought by Getronics (bunch of useless SOBs, if you wonder why I say this just *try* to get some docs from 'em). Second, for Iggy and any other non-Americans/persons not familiar with slang meanings of the word "Wang", it is another term for penis, which is why Martin was laughed at, and why I can get my friends to laugh by telling them I have a 600lb. Wang (VS300). I don't personally think anything is wrong with Wang, they're pretty darn advanced machines, and they actually run real TCP/IP... They like nasty X.25 and RS-449 and crap like that, but you can't have everything... Nice pin, I have a Wang coffee mug myself, as well as 2 Wang computers, the VS and a 2200MVP. Will J _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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Altos 8600 boot disk

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

Hi, I'm trying to help someone find a copy of a 8" boot disk for an Altos 8600. Thanks, --Doug =============================================================== "On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. --- Charles Babbage ========================================= Doug Coward Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA =========================================

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a comparison of CP/M versus Windows NT!!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I just found this on comp.sys.cpm. a comparison of CP/M versus... Windows NT!!! Don't miss it: http://www.oualline.com/col/cpm.html Enjoy!

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10,000 years? (was: Data Archival (OT Long)

by tarsi＠binhost.com

>By then, will MICROS~1 have been broken up? Not bloody likely. .NET will have taken over. >By then, will we have a RELIABLE OS? Yup. My linux box will have an uptime of 3,650,000 days. :) >BTW, recent experiments were UNsuccessful at starting fire using >CDs. Therefore, what good will they be? AH, but have you tried microwaving CDs? They make a nice fire that way. Tarsi 210 --------------------------------- Nathan E. Pralle Vice President and CTO binHOST.com - Network Services for the World http://www.binhost.com tarsi(a)binhost.com ---------------------------------

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World's Crappiest Drives (was Re: A&J Microdrive)

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/10/2000 8:49:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net writes: > ST225 is a good one, the 251 and 4096 were junk. The ST251 > was far to hot running to survive unless cooled with great effort. Well, at least one survives: Last week a frantic woman brought a Zenith Data Systems DOS-based PC into our shop. It wouldn't boot and she was in desperate need of retrieving some 1-2-3 files from the drive -- an ST251. Turns out the system battery had died, and once replaced we were able to get the system going and the drive looked healthy (as healthy as a Seagate MFM drive ever looks). Since it was in and out of the shop so quickly we didn't get much of a chance to check out the system (Z200? S200?) but it looked as if the mainboard was pretty much just a backplane, with the 10MHz AMD 286 CPU on an ISA card. Anyone familiar with this beast? It looked pretty cool. Could cards with faster CPUs be installed in place of the 286 card? Glen Goodwin 0/0

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Nerds

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 9, Gene Ehrich wrote: > This is probably off topic and it may be old but I never heard it before: > > Why do nerds confuse Halloween and Christmas? > > > Because Oct31 = Dec25 *GROAN!!* :) -Dave McGuire

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CompatiCards

by donm＠cts.com

Both CompatiCards have been sold to list members. - don

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Fw: Professors worry that engineering students don't tinker

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> >Anyway, one such book (aimed at older children I guess) was called >'Making a Transistor Radio'. The set was built on a wooden board, using >woodscrews and screwcuop washers as terminials (and thus no soldering was >involved). You started out making a crystal set, then added a single >audio stage (OC71), then a second stage (another OC71), then added a >loudspeaker (using an LT700 output transformer). And finally you replaced >the crystal detector with the OC45 regenerative stage. It's been years since I built that way but the first transistor design I did was back in '65 with my first "RF' transistor 2n384. It was regenerative. The battle (for me) back then I lived less than a mile from 3000W daytime AM radio station. Not listening to that was indeed a learning expereince. >Hmm, I'd never want to build a live-chassis set. Isolated PSUs seem like >a very good idea on experimental designs... I'd agree but it was a cheap circuit. >Never built a valve radio. Built other valve stuff over the years, though... It good fun. I did one recently on maple (real wood breadboard) using some of the talves (tubes) provided by one of the members. I went for the classic Q5er, 4 tubes in all, osc/mixer feeding a regenerative IF at 455kc followed by one stage of audio. Makes a fair shortwave RX. Radio is one thing I still enjoy. Allison

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Scrounging in Florida

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On 09 Dec 2000, under the subject: GOOD scrounging day!; Joe Rigdon <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > OK while the rest of you are freezing and getting ready for Christams, we > here in Florida and enjoying beautifull wheather and still fighting over > the election! A few of us are taking advantage of the weather and are out > scrounging for old computers and other interesting stuff. <snip> I am headed to Ft. Lauderdale later this month. Any suggestions for places to visit with regards to finding 'puters? I am not looking for anything in particular, probably something along the lines of fleamarkets or places that sell used hardware. Keep in mind that my wife and her mother will probably be in tow. They are concerned that I will be bored and want to include something of interest for me. Also any pointers on book stores that sell used books and/or used CD/45/LP's. TIA Mike

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Fw: BBK-S4 and Solaris 2.6

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Apparently, this didnt make it here :-( Ram ----- Original Message ----- From: <rmeenaks(a)olf.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.transputer,comp.os.parix To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 9:14 AM Subject: HELP: BBK-S4 and Solaris 2.6 > Hi, > > I am trying to get a BBK-S4 SBus-based transputer card working on a SUN > IPX workstation running Solaris 2.6. I have the Basic Transputer > Support Software (BTSS 3.1) which has support for Solaris. However, I > do not have any documentation. The BTSS requires the creation > of "/dev/sbus?" in order for it to communicate with the transputer. I > do not have any /dev/sbus[0-3] devices on my system. I tried to > symbolically link one of the sbus psuedo devices that is found > in /devices to /dev/sbus[0-3], but that doesnt seem to work. How do > you create the /dev/sbus[0-3] devices? I am trying to get Parix 1.2 > running on a T8-based Xplorer. This is the 1st step in many to come to > get this system up and running. Any help is much appreciated... > > Oh, before anyone asks, I booted using "boot -r" to reconfigure the > system, but that didnt work either... > > Ram > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

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Fw: Professors worry that engineering students don't tinker

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: ajp166 <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> To: Classic Computers <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, December 10, 2000 9:44 PM Subject: Re: Professors worry that engineering students don't tinker >From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > > >>> >-tony (who grew up holding a acrewdriver, built his first radio 28 >years >>> >ago. For the UK people, the semiconductors were an OC45 (regenerative >>> >RF/AF stage), 2 OC71s (AF stages) and a couple of OA81 diodes. That >>> >should identify it. And who's probably fiddled with more pieces of >>> >machinery and electronics than an entire graduating engineering class >has >>> >at most universities...) >> >>You know, I am a little concerned that not one UK member of this list >>recognises that radio circuit. I thought just about everybody built it >at >>some point... > > >Actually it's more unique to the UK than here in the usa. The common >transistor radios here were the very simple 2 transistor reflex and the >standard >six transistor superhet. > >I'm likely one of the few here that has built the AA5 (all American 5) 5 >tube AM superhet that was common, later transistor designs and IC >based systems. Most of my efforts were in generatiing RF power >and measuring it. the thing that keep my interest is the intersection >of communications (radio) and computers. > >Building and analysing already built machines is a great exercise and >creative >instigator. > >Allison > > > >

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GOOD scrounging day!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

OK while the rest of you are freezing and getting ready for Christams, we here in Florida and enjoying beautifull wheather and still fighting over the election! A few of us are taking advantage of the weather and are out scrounging for old computers and other interesting stuff. That's what I did yesterday. My haul included a Morrow Micro Decision, a Tektronix 8002a Developement system and the external 8" disk drives, an immersion cooler, six or seven Busch & Lomb model 21 Spectrophotometers and a manual for my IBM MD-2 Maintenance Device. I ran out of car before I ran out of goodies so I left behind a Tektronix 4016 terminal, a tektronix 4024 terminal, an ADM-3A terminal and an ADDS 25 terminal. One of my coolest finds was a Paratronics model 100a Logic Analyzer with the manual. This must be one of the first logic analyzers on the market. It's about the size of a cigar box and uses a scope of other monitor with an X-Y input for the display. The manual is dated 1977 and it says that this an improved version of the one that was in the cover story of the Feb 1977 issue of Popular Electronics. (Does anyone have that issue?) The mauual gives example of how to use it with the Altair, Intel 8080, Motorola 6800, Fairchld F-8, National SC/MP, Z-80, Bit Slice CPUs and the RCA Cosmac. This will make a nice companion piece for my Altair. Also spotted a Color Monitor for the TI-99/4. It's nothing but a color TV with the tuner removed. I knew RS sold this kind of thing but I didn't know that TI did also. I didn't pick it up but if anyone wants it, contact me and I'll tell you where it's at. It's in a surplus store and I have no idea what they want for it. I'm looking for info on the Morrow Micro Decision. If anyone knows much about them, let me know. Joe

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Anyone remember the Pan network?

by vcf＠siconic.com

Does anyone remember or has anyone even heard of the Pan Network from the mid-80s? Apparently it was a dial-up network system used by musicians to trade midi files and what-not. If anyone has any remembrances of this that they can share or, even better, magazine article cites, then I would greatly appreciate if you could share them. Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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