- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by russ＠rbcs.8m.com

My friend has a Mattel Aquarius computer on eBay - thought I'd mention it since it's still cheap and may be of interest to someone that collects older machines. It's item 1208196262 if you're inclined to check it out. I believe it's a fairly complete setup and in good condition. I can however attest to the fact that the seller is very repautable and very good to work with.

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operating system integrity (coming from Nuke Redmond)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> There is the OS/2 operating system, the workplace shell, the MPTS product, > the TCP/IP product, and the multimedia product to name a few. This > modular approach is one thing that makes OS/2 so scaleable. Like Linux and > BSD and unlike any Windos product, you don't NEED the GUI to have a useful > machine. Without the GUI, a 4mb 386sx with a small hard drive can be made > to perform useful work with good performance. There are also several > alternate GUI's provided that are not as processor intensive as the > Workplace Shell/Presentation Manager product. With OS/2 2.0, 2.1, and > 2.11, there was even an alternate GUI that gave OS/2 a Windows 3.x look > and feel. Just like changing the Windows 9x gui to Progman.exe by editing > System.ini will give 9x a 3.x look and feel. Under 9x, you can also > "Start, Run, Progman". That sounds like Stardock's Object Desktop for OS/2... I believe they brought this product up to version 3/Warp revision level, but just recently dropped support for the product. Regards, -dq

25 years, 5 months

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first programs

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

I don't remember the first program that I wrote. It was probably "print 1+1" on the PDP-8 we had at school. I do remember the first program that I loaded into my Altair when I got it running. Remember that Altair came with no I/O other than the switches and LEDs of the front panel. The program came from the Altair User's Group and was a simple game called "Kill The Bit". The Altair has 8 "data" LEDs on the front panel. "Kill The Bit" lit one of the 8, and kept changing it, around and around. Your job was to toggle one of the front panel switches at just the right time, otherwise you would create more "bits" to kill. Rob Kapteyn

25 years, 5 months

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operating system integrity (coming from Nuke Redmond)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> >When you run a win3x application under 9x, the entire multitasking scheme >reverts to cooperative which not a nice thing to do even to windos. Also, >all win3x apps share the same space, one crashes, all can crash because of >it. Actually I run Paradox/DOSV4.5 under win95 and if you set things up right it can run protected dos space and the cooperative multitasking is only within that virtual dos window. It's a bigger probem that it tried to talk to the printer directly and Windows blocks on that if the setup is not exactly right. >As pertains to running windows programs, OS/2 does 'cooperative >preemption' in a way. If you want to run a win3x application, you can >either run it entirely in it's own, protected memory space (seamless), or >in a shared, protected space (shared between several win3x apps together >in the same space). In the first mode, if a seamless 3x app crashes, it >affects only it's own space. If an app running in shared space crashes, >it can crash all it's buddies sharing it's memory. NT4 also has this and it works well. BUT, you have to watch as some dos programs may try to share a file and you can get file locking problems. >OS/2 does not run Windows apps, it runs Windows. You can run as many as >240 copies of Windows 3.11 with as many apps each as each can support. Keep the education going. >I don't think there is another operating system out there that is NEARLY >so flexible in supporting the multitasking of instances of other operating >systems. In addition, each individual session can be customized by >altering any of 75 provided settings for it such as priority, hardware >access, XMS and EMS and DPMI memory sizes, video refresh, and on and on >and on. Adjusting a setting in one dosbox affects only that box. Win9x's Its clear that NTs dos support is based on OS/2s. Just for curiousity I've got a OS/2 Warp V3 kit including the bonus pack. What would it take to get networking going (TCP/IP prefered)? Also what later versions can be purchased and approximate cost? Allison

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Nuke Redmond!

by mbg＠world.std.com

>> Spent the day 'upgrading' to Windows ME I assume... > >If you don't agree with Redmont, I suggest you put your money where your >mouth is. We still have a free choice. Use it as long as you can. I do... I have Linux on all my PCs... I read a report earlier today in which teh president and CEO of M$ declared that Linux was the #1 threat to the company as they enter the new year... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Nuke Redmond!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I don't know why Intuit has survived, but I am kind of curious given the > boneheadedness of the product. I mean everybodies first two programs are, > hello world, then checkbook. Granted they have put more than a little > polish on Checkbook 1.0, but they have also managed to drag it out over 9 > major releases. Being a bad seed, my first program printed out random vulgar phrases instead of "hello world". This was on a CDC-6500 running Dual-MACE at Purdue University. My next two programs were a program to compute the dynamic compliance of a tonearm, and another to compute, based on the native resonant frequency of a driver (speaker), and the proposed dimensions of a room to be constructed, the frequencies where the bass would resonate in the room, and the distribution of the nodes (antinodes?). Over a two- week period, I coded these programs in CDC-6000 Series BASIC, CDC-6000 Series Fortran, and our local port of Niklaus Wirth's Pascal Compiler. Eventually, I bought Electric Checkbook for the Macintosh, a great program I rarely used due to extra work of maintaining my check register. The moral of this tale: Beware of Geeks bearing Revisionist History. ;-) -dq

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Funky looking mouse and other TCF stuff...

by btobler＠magnet.ch

Hi I found an old email from you on the web: http://www.classiccmp.org/mail-archive/classiccmp/1997-04/0324.html Hi guys, just wanted to say what I got at TCF. I managed to get there at 3:45 on Sunday (15 minutes before closing on the last day of the show.) Anyway here's what I got: 2 Seagate MFM Hard Drives *FREE* 1 Sysquest tape(?) drive *FREE* the tape drive is about the size of a CD-ROM, what is it? 1 Apple IIe Users Guide *FREE* (why? I dunno, it was in the trash) 1 CBM 8032 $5 (this things got some kind of memory board that plugs into the CPU socket and a parallel interface) 1 Funky Mouse *FREE* This last thing I need help with. It looks to be about 20+ years old but I could be wrong... It is bright red, almost perfectly round, has a steel ball as the roller, 3 black switches, and says "5271" and then "DEPRAZ - MOUSE" on the bottom. It has what looks likea standard serial cable. The guy said it was for a terminal right before he threw it out. Any ideas? More importantly.... do you think I could use it on my PeeCEE? 8) Les PS what'd everyone else get at TCF? ---------------------------------------------------------------- If you are still interested in the origin of the funky looking red mouse, I can tell you. I got one myself. So before I write down the whole history, give me an note whether you are still interested in it. Greetings from Basel, Switzerland, Beatrice. Beatrice Tobler || Konservatorin f?r Computer/Neue Medien | Museum f?r Kommunikation | Helvetiastr. 16 | CH-3000 Bern 6| Tel: 031 357 55 44 (Di-Fr)| b.tobler(a)mfk.ch | http://www.mfk.ch || Blauensteinerstrasse 8 | CH-4053 Basel | Tel: 061 274 10 36 | btobler(a)magnet.ch | http://www.unibas.ch/volkskunde/tobler.html || VolO - Volkskunde Online: http://www.unibas.ch/volkskunde/volo

25 years, 5 months

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Need help with rescue in Tampa

by vcf＠siconic.com

Is there anyone in the Tampa area that's interested in helping out with a computer rescue? Please reply privately <sellam(a)vintage.org>. Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

25 years, 5 months

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DEC TC11 TU56 tape controller

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

Hello, I have been looking for a DEC TC11 tape controller to go with my PDP11/45 and TU56 tape drives for some time now. I just discovered this mailing list, so now I am trying here. Is there any chance that anyone has a TC11 for sale or trade? Also, I am looking for a pair of DEC H960 (72") rack sides, preferably >from someone in the Chicago area. Thanks in advance (there is always a hope:-) --tom

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first programs

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> My first useful program was a graphical alarm clock. I'm a dropout and so > missed math education beyond arithmetic. This is why I do all my agebraic > problems linearly as you do in programing. I still don't understand how > and why algebra is done the way it is in schools. Boolean algebra makes > so much more sense to me. Trig smoothly describes the world as it really is- the approximations you independently discovered describe the world well enough to fool human perception. More on this below. > Anyway, I was trying to plot the face of a circular clock. First I tried > using PI as the base for the plotting and my clock's face came out wierd > and incomplete. After messing with the program for some hours I realized > that OF COURSE a circle derived from pi was going to be incomplete because > PI is irrational. No matter how many digits after the dicimal you use, you > will never get a complete circle, just a progressively less incomplete > one. Duh. Back to the drawing board. > > I started hitting the trig functions looking for an answer and hit on > Sine/cosine as the way to do it. Educating yourself is hard and you often > have to backtrack like that. You only have to look at AutoCAD to see how crappy a circle looks when derived by trigonometric evaluation; it wouldn't be that way if there was enough precision available, but there never seems to be... So, a guy named Bresenham came up with a click way to generate a circle, and it was improved upon by another computer scientist named Michener. it takes advantage of the 8-way symmetry a circle will have when created in the approximate fashion that pixels arranged in a Cartesian grid yields. The algorithm generates the points for a single octant of the circle, then generates the other seven octants by (essentially) changing the sign of the values for the first octant. The virual result are perfectly symmetric approximations of circles. There's also an algorithm I saw written up in Byte years ago for doing parabolas; the author referred to it as the Variable Duty-Cycle Algorithm. For a dummy radar-display I hacked up, to handle the sweep line, I simply at program start-up pre-computed all the data for the lines in each position of the sweep; I did it with trigonometric evaluation, but stored the daata in an array and just puked it out at runtime. But just like with the calculator, it helps to understand the fundamentals before trying to implement a solution sans science. OTOH, not knowing the fundamentals has failed to stop many a man... ...OOPS! And women, too, I guess (apologies to Megan and Allison!). Regards, -dq

25 years, 5 months

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IBM System/36 for free!

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, The e-address for this system, rmays(a)satx.rr.com, sounds a lot like it's in my home town, San Antonio. If that's true and you need help moving, shipping (eek), putting in a UHaul and meeting you somewhere in central Texas, etc., email me and I'll pitch in. I'm not interested in the system for myself. - Mark

25 years, 5 months

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Garage cleaning

by donm＠cts.com

I have a portable test set by Data Disk Inc. of Sunnyvale CA that is identified as an "8000 Series Exerciser". It comes in a molded case with handle and removable lid that is 14"W x 10.5"D, and 7"H. It is powered from a fixed 3-conductor line cord by 115 +/- 10% VAC at 47-400Hz. The unit dates to late 1974 according to the panel information drawing taped to the inside of the lid. Also, users are enjoined to "be kind to this tester its a one & only" according to a label stuck onto the inside of the lid. It could well be as it is entirely wire wrapped. The panel contains several rows of mini-toggle switches to select tracks from 1-512, a 16-bit data pattern, modes of testing, power, etc. Also a four wheel indicating rotary switch to set bits/sector. External connections are a 50-conductor ribbon cable that is terminated in an edge connector (50-pin), and a row of banana jacks to permit bringing out 8 functions for scope display. It is available for the price of shipping to anyone who wants it. I'm guessing that it weighs about 10 pounds. - don

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Tape Drive Vacuum Sensor Group Purchase TU10 / DG 6021

by cube1＠home.com

As folks who follow this list may recall, I was asking about a month ago if anyone had any vacuum sensors for a TU10. Since that time, I have identified a source for purchase of these sensors (set for 10" H2O pressure). They are suitable for TU10's (where I found some of the exact part I found in there as replacements) and for the DG 6021. I would guess that they are in other drives of similar vintage. (a TU10 has 8 of them, a 6021 has 4 of them (plus a separate 20" H20 unit) ) If you have a TU10 or a DG 6021, and expect to keep it running for another 10 years, listen up: these will fail, eventually, depending on what their condition was when you got the drive, how often you use it, etc. On the TU10, the ones most likely to fail are at the bottom of each vacuum column, because they are in a pressure differential state most of the time. I can get the parts for $14.23 each in unit quantities, but the catch is that the minimum order is $250. I was thinking that I needed about 10 of them, for sure, so I'd like to find someone else who could use at least 7 or 8 of them. I also suspect that the price would come down a little for quantities over 24 -- but I have not yet checked quantity pricing. SO, what I would like to do is this. Anyone who is SERIOUSLY interested in purchasing some of these beasties, please reply to me (as well as or instead of the list), and I'll try to put an order together this month. Payment will probably be via your choice of personal check or PayPal (I have not yet set up my PayPal account, though). Jay Jaeger --- Jay R. Jaeger The Computer Collection cube1(a)home.com visit http://members.home.net/thecomputercollection

25 years, 5 months

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Garage cleaning (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

John Tinker has just claimed this item. - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:09:10 -0800 (PST) From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Garage cleaning I have a portable test set by Data Disk Inc. of Sunnyvale CA that is identified as an "8000 Series Exerciser". It comes in a molded case with handle and removable lid that is 14"W x 10.5"D, and 7"H. It is powered from a fixed 3-conductor line cord by 115 +/- 10% VAC at 47-400Hz. The unit dates to late 1974 according to the panel information drawing taped to the inside of the lid. Also, users are enjoined to "be kind to this tester its a one & only" according to a label stuck onto the inside of the lid. It could well be as it is entirely wire wrapped. The panel contains several rows of mini-toggle switches to select tracks from 1-512, a 16-bit data pattern, modes of testing, power, etc. Also a four wheel indicating rotary switch to set bits/sector. External connections are a 50-conductor ribbon cable that is terminated in an edge connector (50-pin), and a row of banana jacks to permit bringing out 8 functions for scope display. It is available for the price of shipping to anyone who wants it. I'm guessing that it weighs about 10 pounds. - don

25 years, 5 months

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Nuke Redmond!

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

Since we had some talk about NetBSD, this is totally off-topic, not to mention totally bizarre. And it really does exist. http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/dreamcast/ -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. -- Joe Walsh -------------------

25 years, 5 months

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Corvus Systems Transporter Apple Rev C

by aclark＠envirolink.org

Does anyone know what this card does? Arthur Clark

25 years, 5 months

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Funky looking mouse and other TCF stuff...

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- David Gesswein <djg(a)drs-esg.com> wrote: > Does anybody happen to have a spare one of these? I have a AT&T > 5620 terminal missing the mouse and I think that is the one that goes with > it. Terminal has a DB-9 connector. > > > It is bright red, almost perfectly round, I do. Anyone with a naked 5620 terminal, contact me off-list for a mouse. I have more than one, but I cannot test them. Anyone want to swap a few mice for a spare terminal? I also have a couple of ROM carts that I think are for them (the one in my hand has a damaged label that reads, in part "...456 615MT/4425 emulation and has three 27128 unlabelled EPROMs and a few TTL parts; somewhere, I may still have a couple of carts with some 27C512s, but I've been recycling the EPROMs from those so I don't know if I have any left) -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

25 years, 5 months

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Silicon Valley pioneer William Hewlett dead at 87

by philpem＠btinternet.com

On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 07:50:23PM -0500, Dave McGuire wrote: > Granted there's more plastic in them than there used to be, but HP > still makes the best test equipment that money can buy, as far as I'm I can't speak for the HP, er... Agilent scopes, but I've never had any bother with my secondhand Gould OS1100A. It looks like it's around 15-25 years old, 30MHz, delayed sweep, CRT, IEC-style power connector (same as the ones used on the IBM PC and many other machines), etc. It takes a while to warm up and for the damn trace to stop jumping around, but other than that it's a great scope. Anyone got a manual (service or otherwise) for this ageing dinosaur? The timebase calibration is a bit out.

25 years, 5 months

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Funky looking mouse and other TCF stuff...

by djg＠drs-esg.com

Does anybody happen to have a spare one of these? I have a AT&T 5620 terminal missing the mouse and I think that is the one that goes with it. Terminal has a DB-9 connector. > It is bright red, almost perfectly round, Thanks, David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Old computers with blinkenlights

25 years, 5 months

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Silicon Valley pioneer William Hewlett dead at 87

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I saw an article that says the real reason for all of the "new" names is that no company wants to be saddled with their old name and the associated reputation. Each new management wants to "reinvent" the company. The first step is to get rid of the old name. If you can't pronounce the name and it has no preexisting connotation then the company can define themselves anyway they want to. Another side effect is that you can get rid of all of the old liabilities, retirement plans, and support costs. You get a new disposable product from a new disposable company. Back on track. Has any body interfaced a web cam to any VMS systems? I'd like to connect one to my VAX systems. mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

25 years, 5 months

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Subject: Re: Nuke Richmond (Long) [Mike]

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

It was my neighbors daughter writing a essay for a college application, it turned out she had actually printed it once and also didn't realize she saved it on disk. Her word setup now saves every 5 minutes. I'm thinking of writing a column in the local newspaper, circulation 800, about computer tidbits. Maybe I'll try and explain what computers can and can't do. My only worry is that every local Microsoft user will call and ask questions. But I am going to put in an advertisement offering computer recycling, I haul a lot of stuff to the local not-for-profit computer surplus. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

25 years, 5 months

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RISC6000 7007 POWERportable N40

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Thanks Pat for the Help. I got a cable adapted to the SCSI Stub Cable and the unit found the SCSI CD-ROM And I was able to load the OS off the CD. I have loaded the root , its password, and built myself a user account as well. The CD load however disagrees with the release notes on finding the Xinit X-windows AIX application. So it appears I will be looking for a general guide on navigating AIX,its tools, and applications. Right now all I can confirm is that the N40 loads in the High Function Terminal mode. (HFT) The release notes infer that I should be able to load a windowed menu application from the command line be simply typing "xinit" - this is not happening. I will be looking for more web based reference Material. Any pointers are still greatly appreciated. Sincerely Larry Truthan -----Original Message----- From: Pat Barron [mailto:pat@transarc.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 11:38 AM To: Truthan,Larry Cc: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: RE: RISC6000 7007 POWERportable N40 On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Truthan,Larry wrote: > The "66" entry is invalidated in the 10 element diagnostic menu and the sub > menues under each element. The initial sevice selection is "language > select"). I havent tried "66" at the language select. On the first pass, I > am not making headway with your suggestion. Oh, also, just to clarify - the menu I am talking about is the AIX diagnostic menu, which only has 4 or 5 choices on it as far as I recall. This is accessed by booting AIX in "Service Mode". This isn't to be confused with the diagnostics in the firmware (whose menu apparently has 10 entries). I poked around and found a document that might help you: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- RS/6000 N40 Laptop * Setting the System to Service Mode: 1. Press the key sequence [Pause][R] to reset the N40 (or power it off). 2. Then interrupt with [Pause][K] key sequence as soon as the IBM logo appears. 3. After several seconds, a language selection menu will appear; select appropriate language. 4. Then press 99 to go to the main menu 5. Select #7 (Change Soft-Keyswitch Setting). 6. Select #3 (Service). 7. Then press 99 to go to the main menu. 8. Select #10 to start the boot off the CD. * Limitations: > The 7007-N40 is supported by a special N40 version of AIX 3.2.5. The 7007-N40 is NOT supported at AIX V4. > The support for the 7007-N40 and N40 AIX 3.2.5 has been withdrawn, thus questions are answered on a best effort basis. * Information > Software maintenance on this system can be done by booting off the AIX 3.2.5 for N40 cdrom. To do this, attach the cdrom drive to the SCSI bus. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You already knew most of this, but I'm sending it along in case it might help. --Pat.

25 years, 5 months

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IBM System/36 for free!

by MTPro＠aol.com

Please respond directly to rmays(a)satx.rr.com David Greelish Publisher Classic Computing Press www.classiccomputing.com In a message dated 12/26/00 6:36:25 PM, rmays(a)satx.rr.com writes: << We have an IBM System/36 mini-computer (possibly still in working condition) that we would be interested in donating. >>

25 years, 5 months

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ALERT! Major Purge in progress

by djg＠drs-esg.com

The techincal journals are still hiding at http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/ The timeline seems to be mirrored at http://www.montagar.com/dfwcug/VMS_HTML/timeline/1957.htm David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Old computers with blinkenlights

25 years, 5 months

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OS/2 networking

by pechter＠pechter.dyndns.org

> From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> > > > Its clear that NTs dos support is based on OS/2s. > > Just for curiousity I've got a OS/2 Warp V3 kit including the bonus pack. > > What would it take to get networking going (TCP/IP prefered)? > > Also what later versions can be purchased and approximate cost? > > Allison Legally, either Warp Connect or Warp4 -- or some other IBM software like TCP/IP that has the Ethernet driver hooks... It also can be done through the selective application of OS/2 fixpacks to get the necessary parts. (this violates the software licenses) To see how to do it check the web search engines and OS/2 news groups. I've got Warp 4 and have been very pleased with it. --Bill -- bpechter(a)monmouth.com | FreeBSD since 1.0.2, Linux since 0.99.10 Brainbench MVP | Unix Sys Admin since Sys V/BSD 4.2 Unix Sys.Admin. | Windows System Administration: "Magical Misery Tour"

25 years, 5 months

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OT! RE: Nuke Richmond (Long)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> >> Makes little difference what box it is one or mor eof the apps are broken >> and killing others. Composted (yes cow dung is composted) as they are >> would they run better under VMS or on a Sun, likely not just the core >> dumps might be more interesting. > >What's worse? An app that crashes, or an OS that crashes because an app >misbehaves? OS dies from bad app is clearly the worst case. It can hammer the filesystem and thats always messy. NT4 is clearly way better on that over W9x. The acid test for both (from work experience) is start editing a document with WORD, running Paradox-9 or Delphi and then pull the plug out of the wall. The W95 box generally does bad stuff while the NT4 box seems to shrug it off loosing only unsaved work. W9x is not robust, never said it was. >From testing OS/2 is in the NT4 response catagory to unexpected power fails The various unix clones seem to take it well but, I havent tested it as hard. Allison

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Anybody in the UK want a TeleVideo 924 Terminal?

by kheydon＠Solidworks.com

> I don't believe I've ever seen a 924. I have a 925, and gave > away about > half a dozen 910/912/920 types a few years back. How does > the 924 differ from the 925? > Point me at the details of a 925 and I'll tell you. -- Kevan Software engineers are so infatuated with the fact that they can, that they don't stop to think if they should.

25 years, 5 months

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How to install hobbiest CD?

by ncherry＠home.net

I've managed to boot the 3100 with the Hobbiest CD and now it sits at a '$' prompt. Does anyone have the instructions for install the CD? I had them but can not find them now. Any pointers (links) would be appreciated. Also what/where is the '$' prompt? It doesn't take show commands so I'm guessing I'm stuck in between something. Thanks -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)home.net http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)

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Silicon Valley pioneer William Hewlett dead at 87

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 13, R. D. Davis wrote: > Apparently seeing his company deteriorate led to his death. Hewlett > Packard once produced equipment of very high quality, but, alas, it's > product quality has greatly deteriorated and HP appears to consist > mostly of marketing smoke and mirrors, only remaining in business > because of the once excellent products that are associated with the > company name. Granted there's more plastic in them than there used to be, but HP still makes the best test equipment that money can buy, as far as I'm concerned. There's no smoke or mirrors in their test equipment lineup. -Dave McGuire

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Silicon Valley pioneer William Hewlett dead at 87

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 13, Shawn T. Rutledge wrote: > > Granted there's more plastic in them than there used to be, but HP > > still makes the best test equipment that money can buy, as far as I'm > > Err, you mean Agilent does, right? *GRR*. NO, I mean HP does. Even if they're calling themselves Agilent now. Fucking suits. -Dave McGuire

25 years, 5 months

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Off-topic (i.e., not "Nuke Redmond" or OS debate): 3270 ISA boards available

by r.stek＠snet.net

Sorry to drift from the MS-bashing going on <g>, but if anyone is interested in a set of 5 8-bit boards (3 full length, jumpered together) pulled from a 5150 based PC which was used for 3270 emulation, please let me know. Will trade for Altair 8800 or for cost of shipping boards (your choice). Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

25 years, 5 months

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Silicon Valley pioneer William Hewlett dead at 87

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/computing/01/12/hewlett.obit.ap/index.html

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Nuke Richmond

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> >The beauty of *nix right now is that its a bit of a chore to install, no >formal support, etc. and that leaves the door open for consultants et al to >make money selling, installing, and supporting it. Not a bad business model >really. I take an aside to this. The current crop of BSD and Linux flavored unix like OSs seem to be as easy to install as W9x. With one caveat, the unix camp is steeped in 30+ years of unix culture. It is this culture that makes if difficult as it's simply different! If you get past the difference and can adopt it's cultural language over prior biases it's fairly forthright and simple to install. Then again I say this as W95 was a royal PITA the first time compared to VMS and other DEC OSs I was familiar with. Then again creating a BIOS for CP/M was pretty intimidating at one time too. Allison

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Eizo and NCR

by optimus＠canit.se

I made to observations today. One was a flat, long slab from NCR, with what seemed like 2 ISA slots in the back. On the bottom, it said on a label: Class 3390 Model 1204 I suppose this was employed in a cash register? Anyone familiar with this machine? I think it measured somewhere around 25?35?5 cm (W?D?H). Later that afternoon, I found an Eizo monitor, model 9052S-T. Since I recently got a very useful 9060S multisync, I thought this could be another good deal. I can't find any information about it, though. How low would it sync? Also, my 9060S suffers from noticable bleeding/ghosting around contrasting edges. Any cure? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6. When all else fails, read the instructions.

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OT! RE: Nuke Richmond (Long)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> >This is on an HPFS formatted drive. A power failure can screw the >filesystem just like windows if you run fat. I gave up on fat about the >time I got OS/2.... Yes, FAT bad, anything else better. It's relevent too as FAT filesystem is only 18-19 years old and represents the greatest flaw of DOS, WIN3.1 and WIN9x. While off topic, it's interesting and OS designand evolution is something the list members might delve deeper into. Allison

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Nuke Redmond!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> >I buy nothing but Dell now, a good system that is as tightly integrated >with Windows as any machine out there. I have one at home, and one at the >office. Yet I have to reboot each on average once a week. FYI: my partners employer went all dell and they are far happier with them compared to DEC, compaq and Duratel. They dont seem to experience reboot problems save for when they run one rather badly behaved ACCESS based application. The Access hack (must have been written by script kiddies) even has a sloppy user interface. Don't blame the Cow for soggy cereal unless the Cow makes it. Allison

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>> Then again I say this as W95 was a royal PITA the first time compared to >> VMS and other DEC OSs I was familiar with. Then again creating a BIOS >> for CP/M was pretty intimidating at one time too. >> >> Allison > >It all depends on the person. I can install things such as Linux, OpenBSD, >Solaris, OpenVMS, MacOS and RT-11 almost with my eyes closed, and the hardest >part is waiting for the software to move from CD to HD (yes, even with RT-11). >With any Windows variant I seem to have to dedicate a minimum of one day to >cursing and fighting the garbage! Well first time took three days. Now I can do it in about an hour. 28 client system that were horridly configured was the practice. By horrid things like only one 500mb partition on a 1gb disk and other offenses to the mind. All I had to do was learn the OS and install scripting. My favorite kind of fun is taking a wreck like a 486/33 with 8mb ram and 120mb of disk and making a printserver and still have 60mb unused. I can do NT4/server faster though as it wants fewer reboots. Once I learn Linux installs I can do that about as fast for a generic install with most packages. It's the little "you gotta know" things that make a difference. Allison

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> >In Windows - ANY version, the applications are like different flavors of >bullion and spices. They dissolve in the operating system and become >virtually indistiguishable from the solute. If you make the mistake of >mixing two incompatible flavors, you can't get only one flavor out of the This is indeed a secondary thing I dislike about MS. Though it's not quite soup if the app your running is not MS. MS apps mingle with the OS and make mush though I've pulled them out completely with some work. The problem is more MS than the OS as things like IE, OE and Office do not uninstall completely. They leave bits about as reminders they were there. If your willing to hit the registry and files system they can be removed bit it's a PITA. Its the price you pay for ActiveX, COM, VBS and all the other MS hacks. >> OS/2 V3 Close to NT maybe better on multitasking, security is ??? > >OS/2 is significantly better than NT in the multitasking department and >has no serious bugs I am aware of. OS/2 shippes (desktop versions) with >essentially no SPECIAL security like NT does. It does have 'hooks' for >this security and you can buy IBM or third-party software to latch into >them and provide strong security. Warp Server versions are good examples. The lack of security in networked systems to me is a weakness. Even as a home user now that I have DSL I have to thinkk about security so not having it is not a flaw but a weakness. Then again it's also V3 and rather old. >I love these kinds of customers. They hire me, tell me what they want to >do, but not HOW TO DO IT. Being who I am, I'd put Warp Clients on the While I'm not told to use W95 or NT at work I ahve 40 users and 4 servers and jumping to FreeBSD is a nontrivial task if the server is running middleware like COLDfusion on Paradox databases. >impartiality (or apathy) makes them practical. They put Windows on the >desktop as clients to thier Warp servers to lower training requirements. >Since these machines aren't being strained much, they serve thier purpose, >since the servers work fine, everybody is happy. Exactly. In my case the servers are NT4 and NT3.51 and down time is nearly unheard of. They are lightly loaded so it's fine. >> WinNT4 I use it, best of the MS lot I've worked with. > >Much better than any other MS os except maybe DOS for stability. It has >warts as does anything else, but it's biggest wart is the SOUP thing which >is death. Its a problem but if you understand it it doesnt have to be. For example I test a lot of software that may be used. Rather than worry the uninstall process I image the disk (10gigs is under $100!!!), do my testing and go to the image to restore. The Unix approach is like VMS and I like it better but using an image accomplishes the same end as effectively. Copying apps from one system to another under Winders is painful but it's COPYRIGHTED and not supposed to be so that's not an issue at work. >> Linux It's getting too loaded with MSisms > >Linux is kinda messy and poorly documented. I like it, but that is just >me. Yes but if you were building a work system that makes for a lot of training and documentation as part of the work done. As an engineer I've learned if it's not documented it cant be reproduced and didn't exist. >NetBSD is best I think. Then again, I don't spend my days trying to keep >brilliant kids from trashing my systems so someone may have a more >informed opinion. FreeBSD do do security regression testing so I find them the most secure or at least I can identify the holes or other flaws. >I just got into VMS recently so don't really have an opinion - YET :-0 Its an interesting OS. If your unix inculturated or used to say IBMisms (non PC) then it may bug you. It is robust, uses the hardware well and is reasonable enough. I like the grey wall (docs, lots of DOCS). Part of it's robustness and all come from being married to a specific processor (VAX) and 20+ years of maturity. Then again if MS didn't morph the OS every 5 years to something vastly different with a ton of legacy addons it could be better. Instead we have Win3.1, W9x, WNT3/4,win2000 codebases and each trying to eliminate the apps for the previous. Oh, to me the OS is like razors. Give the handle away and sell the blades. Problem is people keep changing the handle to keep other guys from making blades for it. The latter is the Microsoft way. Allison

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> >>is taking a wreck like a 486/33 with 8mb ram and 120mb of disk and >>making a printserver and still have 60mb unused. > >60 megs? You waste sixty megs on a printserver? My, that's resourceful. Not. Sure I could have dug up a smaller hard disk but that one was already excess. When you consider the 120mb IDE disk, 486box and all were picked up as trash for the dumper, yes! It's has no floppy, headless{no tube}, no mouse or keyboard either. Cost was time to install from a loose CDrom drive. It serves a HP color inkjet and a HP4L to 6 W95 users and doing that with anything else is either more complicated or didnt' buy me a thing. Runs 24/7 with only reboots for power loss (about 5-7 times a year). Allison

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Router Configuration

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> >If you need a good proxy server on as low end a system you can (win95 as a >proxy server? oi!) try the Linux Router Project. Can run on a lowly 386 An aside if W95 is only doing proxy server it's fine, just done ask it to be printserver and a local workstation as well. First it was a box I had handy, not that it was a best choice. Runs much better on NT4/WS minimal running on a 486dx/66 in 20mb ram. The LRP is already running on a SIIG3000 (brick sized 386/16 W/5mb ram) and it's a good enough combo. It only has one eithernic due to internal slot limits, that one will later be a modem NAT/router from DSL down times. Like many others I've gone DSL and the DSL modem needs NAT, firewall, antivirus and proxy services in it so I have to look around too. My preference is FreeBSD or VMS running on a box with two EitherNICs so that my backbone is completely isolated from the DSL. Allison

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Nuke Richmond (Long)

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Since we are all in asbestos shorts/panties mode I might as well join in. My neighbors think I know all about new computers because I have a garage full of old computers. My most recent inquiries are similar to the following. Neighbor Q: I was trying to print a word document that I hadn't saved when my computer locked up. My Q: What else was running? Neighbor A: All this stuff that runs when my computer starts up. My Q: Any other programs? Neighbor A: Well I was also dialed into AOL and running Napster. Neighbor Q: Don't you have these same problems. My A: I don't listen to music when I program and I don't use Napster. My Q: When is the last time you purged any files? Neighbor A: Does it do it automatically? My Q: When is the last time you did a backup? Neighbor A: Does it do it automatically? My Q: Did you save the document? Neighbor A: Does it do it automatically? I just spent 2 hours typing and now I'm ready to print. When I'm finished editing I'll save the final copy. My A: Leave it alone and I'll look at it when I get a chance. I visit. My Q: Why do you have both Norton and Macafe antivirus running? Neighbor A: I need virus protection they start automatically. MY Q: Why do you have AOL, AIM, and MSN running? Neighbor A: Some came installed and I use AOL for access to internet, they start automatically. My Q: Why run Napster while you're typing? Neighbor A: I always listen to music when I type, the computer is closer than the stereo so I run Napster System has 25 GB disk, 256 MB memory and 56% of resources available, no keyboard response. My suggestion: Don't do more than 1 thing at a time and you will not have any problems. Neighbor Q: I though computers allowed you to do lots of things at the same time? Neighbor Q: I really want to play games, download music and listen to it at the same time MY Q: Do you want to burn CD's? Neighbor A: Yes MY Q: Do you want to scan pictures and print them? Neighbor A: Yes My A: Get a CRAY computer Neighbor Q: How much are they? I feel much better now that I've vented. People want a black box that works without them thinking, and that's what they have been promised by Dell, Gateway and Compaq. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Apple external SCSI drives

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, [Firstly, for some reason I never received classiccmp digest #482. Could someone be kind enough to email it to me, preferably compressed?] On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:11:35 -0500 > For Pr1me minis, hard drives have to be able to support a sector size > of 2080 bytes, instead of or in addition to the usual 512-byte sector > support. With Apple, their *first* hard drive (a non-SCSI unit) had > things called disk tags that required drives that support a sector > size of 576 bytes (from memory, probably wrong). > > I'm not defending the practice; while I assumed your remark was > rhetorical, not everyone in the audience may be as well-informed > as we are. Sector size is sometimes/usually controllable by the user. By issuing a format unit command with the appropriate parameters, some drives can be formatted to (almost) any sector size. The 86MB Fujitsu hard disk that I bought in 1991 came with a leaflet describing how to do this. The OEM manual for any given drive should say whether the sector size can be altered. This could be useful if you want to use a "normal" SCSI drive with some exotic computer, or vice versa. If you are not using a lame OS that has trouble with non-512-byte sectors, "free" disk space may be obtainable by reformatting with larger sector size such as 1K or 2K. Since there are fewer sector headers etc. with larger sector sizes, the disk capacity increases. On some drives, the manufacturer name that the drive reports can be changed by issuing the correct SCSI command(s). I have no idea what proportion of drives support this; it is probably not common (I know Fujitsu 230MB MO drives do). On a related subject, does anyone have OEM manuals for any old hard disks, optical drives or any other SCSI devices? These are usually impossible to obtain from the manufacturer, and can be very useful. In particular, I'd like to get hold of OEM/SCSI manuals for: Chinon CDS-435 CD-ROM Fujitsu M2511 MO drive Fujitsu M2612ESA hard disk Fujitsu M3191F1/F2 scanner Ricoh RH5500 50MB removable cartridge drive Various Ricoh MO drives Seagate ST1480N hard disk -- Mark

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OT: Router Configuration

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> >My suggestion would be to use any 486 class hardware that you have handy >that will easily support TWO network adapters. People tell me a decent 386 >will even work, but with a 486/66 you have a LOT more flexibility with >memory etc. I've tried a 386DX/40 (with cache) and it was as good as a 486/33. The key thing is availability of memory and peripherals for it. Also there are the problems like some 386 boards getting more than 8-32mb of ram on the board is hard, expensive or impossible plus limited bios support for large (over 500mb) disks. >A nice canned commercial package, but still free for home use; www.gnatbox.com I have to check this out. ;) Allison

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> >When you have a LOT of unix experience they do seem about as easy to >install, but I am a fairly normal, knowledgable person and it took me That is the culture and documentation thing. Plus, unix {and clones} is an OS not an application unto itself. So that means you can use it for anything BUT, anything you may want to do is not always documented in a direct stepwise fashon. >had to do, but the mechanics of doing it are much more familiar. Exiting vi >the first time I edited /etc/resolv.rc only took about an hour. Well, having had to live with TECO, Vteco, ED {cpm version} and command line editing inside VAX EDT {teco macros} a command line oriented visual editor like VI is far less foreign. Be glad you didn't have to use unix ED! >at what price? (both in $ and failing to learn how to exit vi). When I >recommend NetBSD, part of the recommendation is before you get started, >join a support list (and I give a URL). Do the words HELP! mean anything? It's a good idea. >With windows the problem is the opposite, the damn thing wants to run >EXACTLY the way it wants to with few if any user options and very much at >your own risk. Well yes and no. To make a point yes it's more limiting, it was designed for a different use (more like specific use). However if you learn how to manipulate the Registry, some of the .INI files and other burried bits it's possible to tune or even eliminate a lot. The first step is learning how to install it with the opions you want and not the MS or CPU vendor selected set. For example getting the W95 OSR2/USB OEM version to NOT install AOL, ATT and Compuserve or the correct set of tools. It does make a difference. If your using W98 (or 98second or ME) using 98lite to eliminate some of the junk in the install process can considerably lighten and speed the end result. But this is going far beyond the usual level that even most W9x power users go. In comparison, Unix users have gone to the level beyond the Windows power user. Most are doing system integration (making a NAT box lets say) and are even doing significant applications development. You can do that with W9x but you need the SDKs and corrosponding knowledge. In the end it's not an OS thing beyond having the fundemental hooks in it. There is nothing to say you couldn't have used: WinNT OS/2 BeOS Minix OpenDOS or whatever to do the same project. Each would impose different knowledge requirements and development loads. By the same token each one would have differing paybacks in cpu, memory and storage needed to accomplish the task to some given level of performance. Anywho, where W95 is actually weak in my mind is isolation between applications and the OS. The result is a misbehaving app or driver can kill the system. Security is poor as well. The serious offense and W98 (ME edition is best here) is TASK management and scheduling. In all it's a low security and weak multitasking OS. So if it doesn't perform with 10 tasks open then one should not be surprized. Based on the above comment I find this to be my opinion of multitasking perfomance of OSs I've used or seriously looked at for PC hardware. Poor Win3.11 little to no protection for the OS or tasks W9x Limited OS and task protection and some security. OS/2 V3 Close to NT maybe better on multitasking, security is ??? WinNT4 I use it, best of the MS lot I've worked with. Linux It's getting too loaded with MSisms Unix clones {FreeBSD, OpenBSD} good multitasking, excellent security BEST ..............unknown I'm Biased as I don't think any of them are at the OpenVMS level of reliability, performance or documentation. The latter, documentation both in it's completeness and conciseness alone seperates it from the PC OS listed though linux likely has by shear bulk come close. Allison

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OT! RE: Nuke Richmond (Long)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > >And for the most part that's what Windows delivers, albeit sometimes very >poorly. I can be playing Casino99, listening to Napster tunes, surfing >the web, checking my e-mail, have a telnet session open, and have Outlook >Express open, all concurrently. But then when I close down Casino99 while >Napster is playing a tune, Napster crashes. Then it causes other shit to >go haywire sometimes, resulting in the need to reboot. This is on a Dell >Dimension 4100. A nice box. Makes little difference what box it is one or mor eof the apps are broken and killing others. Composted (yes cow dung is composted) as they are would they run better under VMS or on a Sun, likely not just the core dumps might be more interesting. Then if you also looked even on a "Real OS, (tm)" youd find they still buffer overflow, mem leak and leave garbage in memory or load broken drivers. Just a few of the far to common offencesI've seen. >If I would trade convenience for stability and run Linux instead, I could >do all these things, only faster, better, and cheaper (in terms of less >medication for my high blood pressure caused by every Windows reboot). Maybe, once you debug and recompile the apps. Allison

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Router Configuration

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> Subject: OT: Router Configuration >SparcStation 2 with Solaris 7, of course some Pentium (and below) computers, >etc. available but I am clueless on what type of software could be used to >set this up. I would also like to put up a web server that most likely would >only be accessable (for the time being) from inside. My knowledge in the >area of setting something like this up is pretty small. Any suggestions? >Thanks. Low end pentium running whatever you knew well. I've tried W95(custom install, minimal system) with AnalogX Proxy server on the DSL with good results with a 486dx/66 and 16mb ram. NT4/WS running analogX Proxy was better on the 486dx/66 FYI. There is LRP (Linux router project) and I'm sure FreeBSD and the right stuff works well for this too. Most anything works but what software is mostly a case of what you know (can buy) and and configure. NAT/Router/Bridge/proxy/firewall things do not that seem all that cpu intensive. Allison

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Nuke Richmond

by itq＠hetnet.nl

Folks, Can you expect to say to a housewife : This is a Linux cd. Install it on this computer and I expect you to have looked at these Internet sites by tomorrow morning? It would have to be some housewife!! Linux needs far to much work still to make it fit for the masses. Wim

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Nuke Redmond!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 11, Richard Erlacher wrote: > Sir, you damage your credibility with statements like some you've made here. > While it's true that the Microsoft products may not be the "best" thing for > thos of us who are inclined to fuss and fiddle with our computers, they're > WAY better for those who can't, won't, or shouldn't. I know this response wasn't directed at me, but I have to take [at least a little] exception to this. Microsoft products are teaching (have teached?) the world that computers (ALL computers) need to be restarted several times each day, and that this is normal and acceptable behavior. That computers break frequently, and cause the loss of work. That computers (MODERN computers) have a bitmapped click-happy interface, and anything that doesn't is "quaint, useless old technology". Do you really think these are good things for computer neophytes to be taught? There are hoards of Microsoft weenies running around who actually *believe* these things...and with Microsoft teaching them to shun other technologies, they'll probably *never* understand the true nature of "computers". Here's an exaple of the brain-damage that Microsoft is promoting. A while back, I had a job in which I was designing some custom microcoded floating-point processors using MSI and LSI chips and PAL/TTL glue. My grandmother (may she rest in peace) was talking to her [windows-running] neighbor, bragging about me in typical grandmother style...when asked what I do for a living, she answered proudly and accurately, "my grandson is very smart...he builds computers!" The neighbor, obviously lacking the social skills to understand that he was being insulting, said "aww, that's nothing...building them is the easy part. It's LOADING them that's hard! Maybe he'll get to that level in a few years. Keeping all those programs from messing up Windows is the really hard part of 'computers'." I was utterly flabbergasted by this, so much that I was rendered speechless. -Dave McGuire

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OT! RE: Nuke Richmond (Long)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>> >Is there a point to this rambling? Yes, there is! Applications! >Specifically usable applications are what make or break a OS. If an OS >doesn't run the Apps a person wants, they're unlikely to use that OS. There is the key point. Also most people that like WP didnt' like the later versions MS like look and feel despite the features. Allison

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Quit

by jpl15＠panix.com

>Q Really quit Pine? >Y Expunge the 75 deleted messages from "INBOX"? >Y You sure? Possibly important threads exist. >Y! Are you aware that 73 of them are from the Thread: "Nuke Redmond"?? >YYYYYYYYY Last chance to read them all again before deletion: [Y/N]: > y Deleted all 75 messages and kept 238. >Pine finished. To recover the 73 deleted "Nuke Redmond" messages, enter the following comm {{{{|||~{{|~|~|~eee~|~|~||qqq|~{|{~{~{{{|| NO CARRIER John

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