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CD-ROM drive for VAXstation 3100 Model 76

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I'm using a Toshiba and works great. Tried several sanyos, and even a Cdburner (scsi) all worked. Allison -----Original Message----- From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 11:17 AM Subject: Re: CD-ROM drive for VAXstation 3100 Model 76 >I tried several drives from different makers. All were 512byte jumperable >and would boot backup from the cd, but when you try to perform the >restore, the system bombs. > >After about a week of diddling, I went and got an RRD40. Slower than >molassis in January, but it works and the others didn't. > >Regards, > >Jeff > >P.S. From experience, you don't NEED a caddy for an RRD40. I don't have >one either. I just opened the drive and replaced the disk already inside >it with my VMS install cd. You need at least the horseshoe part of the >caddy, but not the whole thing. > > >Regards, > >Jeff > >In <20010119.235201.307.0.william.webb(a)juno.com>, on 01/21/01 > at 11:01 AM, William W Webb <william.webb(a)juno.com> said: > >>Fred, do a search for RRD40/42/43. These are the original DEC CD-ROM >>drives that I absolutely positively know will work with these boxes- they >>are jumperable to do 512 or 2048 byte sectors. (VMS requires drives that >>do 512.) > >>RRD40s are really old and need a caddy. > >>You might be interested to know that I've got the Owner's Guide for the >>VAXstation 3100 Model 76 online at: > >>http://www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/intro/DOC-i.html > >>I'm considering doing the VAXstation 4000 VLC manual next, but only if >>there's a demand for it since that much HTML pretty much by hand is a >>real bitch. > >>William W. Webb > >>I don't know if it's outside of the scope of this mailing list to talk >>about things for sale, but I've got hold of some old 64 x 64 bit core >>frames that would look really nice in a shadowbox or under glass as a >>desktop doodad. >>Mfr. Lockheed Electronics Corp. > >>I can also lay my hands on a 4K module (9 frames with diode arrray >>connector cards) > >>If anybody's interested, drop me an email and we'll talk about price. > >>Apologies in advance if I've transgressed. >>________________________________________________________________ GET >>INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >>Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >>Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >>http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >-- >----------------------------------------------------------- >Jeffrey S. Worley >President >Complete Computer Services, Inc. >30 Greenwood Rd. >Asheville, NC 28803 >828-277-5959 >Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com >THETechnoid(a)home.com >----------------------------------------------------------- > >

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Who wants/needs a DEC CDROM RRD42 ? (trade or free)

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi I dont collect DEC/VAX stuff but I have one of these here. Cant tell ya if it works. But takes the CD in and ejects, led seems to behave normally. I dont have the original caddy. Someone told me to keep it for him but have not heard from him in a very long time...I cant recall who, perhaps he will read this and put his hand up... I picked it up when I had the opportunity to empty out a VAX8350 of all its 13 boards (free for cost of shipping given away here on mailing list) Would love to make someone happy. I have no use for this. Most probably will go into garbage soon if no takers...I have idea of its value. Would accept a trade for anything micro 8-16 bits 197x-198x early 1990s that I could add to my collection. See my current list at : http://computer_collector.tripod.com Claude Canuk Computer Collector

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vax 4000vlc

by fdebros＠bellatlantic.net

I'm considering doing the VAXstation 4000 VLC manual next It being the most ubiquitous box and one that takes regular 4mb simms and has a big hdd, and one that is supported on the latest netBSD V 1.5, do that! And link both pages (the 3100/76 and the 4000VLC manual) to the netbsd.org site, please, I would like to encourage yo to do it! Certainly your 3100/76 Manual is excellent work, it was very helpful to me, Jeff, a big THANK YOU.It matches nicely the www.vaxarchive.org/hw/vs3100/index.html Do you have also the VT 1300 Manual? Or even better: The VRE01 Manual? VRE01 being that flatpanel display (see attached!) that works on the b/w mono card in 1-bit mode I guess, not 8-bit (GPX vs SPX) My 4000VLC's have all the fancy 256 colour framebuffer (?) and no b/w only provision, so I guess I cannot use them for that monitor unfortunaley.A good set of pix can be found on www.terrigal.net.au/~acms/album/h10002.jpg Again: Thanks. As to the CD I found a cr 503b = compaq 142223-201 that is listed as compatible.....lets hope it does the trick. Fred

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CD-ROM drive for VAXstation 3100 Model 76

by william.webb＠juno.com

Fred, do a search for RRD40/42/43. These are the original DEC CD-ROM drives that I absolutely positively know will work with these boxes- they are jumperable to do 512 or 2048 byte sectors. (VMS requires drives that do 512.) RRD40s are really old and need a caddy. You might be interested to know that I've got the Owner's Guide for the VAXstation 3100 Model 76 online at: http://www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/intro/DOC-i.html I'm considering doing the VAXstation 4000 VLC manual next, but only if there's a demand for it since that much HTML pretty much by hand is a real bitch. William W. Webb I don't know if it's outside of the scope of this mailing list to talk about things for sale, but I've got hold of some old 64 x 64 bit core frames that would look really nice in a shadowbox or under glass as a desktop doodad. Mfr. Lockheed Electronics Corp. I can also lay my hands on a 4K module (9 frames with diode arrray connector cards) If anybody's interested, drop me an email and we'll talk about price. Apologies in advance if I've transgressed. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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AT&T Scsi Drive Specs

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Goldarg <goldarg(a)dub.net> wrote: > I recently got a AT&T SCSI drive from a friend and wanted to see if I could > Model: 97536DA > Option: STD > Ser No: 3001a97212 > Handle With Care >From the model and serial number, I'd guess that this drive was made by Hewlett-Packard in the first week of 1990. Those look like HP model and serial numbers. http://www.tame.com/hp/hpinfo.htm suggests that a 97536DA is a 330MB ESDI disk drive, OEM version. If you think it's SCSI, I wouldn't be surprised that it is high-voltage differential SCSI; HP did that sort of thing. -Frank McConnell

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Tektronix 4170

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I took at bunch of pictures of the inside and outside of the 4170 today. I'm posting them to "http://www.intellistar.net/~rigdonj/tek-4170/". There's no text there, only pictures at the moment, so you'll have to be satisfied with looking at the pictures for the time being. I hope to put up a page tomorrow with links and some descriptions. I also scanned the page that describes the 4170 in the 1985 Tektronix catalog and posted it there as well. I *think* I may have found the right serial cable to connect it to the terminal today but I also found that my only Tektronix terminal is acting peculiar (it won't let me into the set up mode!) I'll try hooking up the terminal tomorrow and if it doesn't work then I'll have to go look for another terminal. Keeping my fingers crossed! Joe

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need: ext. cdrom for vax 3100/76

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>Can't the VAX netboot? It can but you need a network partner that understands MOP boot such as another VMS box. Allison

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Disassembling Gateway Solo and P3C laptops?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 05:53 PM 1/19/01 +0000, jpero wrote: >Be specific. There are many Solo models based on numbers by gateway >and bad news, gateway owns only this design, and there are no >other notebooks that has this design. > >But, what that P3C? That's not solo. One is a P-75, it doesn't say "Solo" it says "P3C" on the bottom label. Judging by eBay items, this is the laptop's designation. Search eBay for P3C and there are plenty of hits. The other is a P-90 and it *does* say just "Solo" so I think that makes it a 2000 in terms of the model numbers that followed in that line. The case is quite identical to the other. Any help would be appreciated! They're circa 1994-5, so they're only half on topic... as opposed to Bill Gate's personality traits, which are older than 10 years and therefore on topic. - John

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part number for VAXStation 3100/M76 color option?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hello everyone, Anyone know where I would find the DEC part number for a VS3100/M76 color option board? I've got a board labeled "VS40X 8 Plane COlor Option" but I don't know if it would work in a M76 or not. --Chuck

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new additions and a sad story

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Picked up several items for 50 cents each! I got: mac IIci and a colour display for it. PS/2 model 70 with NIC and... a TRS80 data terminal DT-1. Looks just like a model 2/3 except its very light and has no floppy drives. had two cables coming out of it, presumably for a printer and modem of some sort. while i was bringing all this stuff up to pay for it, a guy had mentioned to me that if i had been in an adjacent county a few days ago, i could have gotten a lot of other computers. He said many apples (dont know what models) where simply thrown in the dumpster because they didnt know what to do with them. I guess the hard part is how to let non computer types know of computer rescuing people ready to avert this kind of tragedy.

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CD-ROM drive for VAXstation 3100 Model 76

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

On 2001-01-19 classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org said: >There are other brands which work for booting as well, such as the >Toshiba XM-5401B, XM-5701, etc which are probably less expensive >than the DEC branded ones and work effectively the same. >Paul >On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, William W Webb wrote: >> Fred, do a search for RRD40/42/43. These are the original DEC >>CD-ROM drives that I absolutely positively know will work with >>these boxes- they are jumperable to do 512 or 2048 byte sectors. >>(VMS requires drives that do 512.) Any CDROM drive that can be switched to 512 byte sectors will work on the VAXstation. Sun computers also want 512 byte sectors, so a drive >from a Sun system is usable too. A list of drives that (might) work: VAX compatible CD drives Below is a list of SCSI CD drives known or believed to work with VAX systems. The basic requirement is support for 512-byte block size. Some information (entries marked with a "*") was extracted from the <A HREF="http://saturn.tlug.org/suncdfaq/">Sun CD-ROM FAQ</A> - most older Sun workstations share the 512 byte block size requirement. The FAQ also has additional details about some of the drives listed below, as well as instructions on how to modify certain models of Toshiba CD-ROM drives to change their block size. DEC RRD40, slow, first generation CD-ROM DEC RRD42, 1X DEC RRD43 DEC RRD45 DEC RRD46 (*) Plextor 4x/6x/8x/10x/12x (*) Plextor 12x/20x PlexWriter RW 4/2/20 Most, if not all Plextor drives. See http://www.plextor.com and check if the drive has a jumper of DIP-switch for block size. (*) Hitachi CDR-1750S (*) Laser Magnetic Storage International Company (LMSI) CM234, 1X (*) Panasonic CR-503B, 2X (*) Panasonic CD-506B, 8X (*) Pioneer 4.4x SCSI-2 (*) Pioneer DRM600/DRM604X (*) Sony CDU-541/561/8012 Sony CDU55 -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - kees.stravers(a)iae.nl http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/ My home page (old computers,music,photography) http://www.vaxarchive.org/ Info on old DEC VAX computers Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

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Part 1 in the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy - Third Try

by marvin＠rain.org

Hmmm, I tried to send the real Part 1 twice and it didn't come through; maybe too much outdated information. Anyway, it didn't have much that was useful at this point. Maybe at least the table of contents will make it through this time. ============================================================================= DO NOT DISPOSE OF THIS PART OF THE FAQ. THIS IS THE PART THAT EXPLAINS HOW YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE AND UNSUBSCRIBE. IT WILL TAKE ME MORE TIME TO DO THESE THINGS FOR YOU THAN IT WILL TAKE FOR YOU TO DO THEM YOURSELF ============================================================================= ClassicCmp - The Classic Computers Discussion List Part 1 in the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy Mail/Internet Basics FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) v1.3 Last Update: 12/10/97 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Updates: Nothing new, cosmetic changes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Mailing Lists ---------------- 1.1 Mailing List Basics 1.2 How to Talk to the Robot How to set to Digest How to Subscribe How to Unsubscribe 2. FTP ------ 2.1 FTP Basics 3. World Wide Web ----------------- 3.1 WWW Basics =============================================================================

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Victor V386MX

by optimus＠canit.se

Is anyone familiar with the Victor V386MX? It's a miniscule 386 tower, only as wide as a 3,5" drive, and seems rather common around here. What's interesting about its architecture is that the CPU and graphics are placed on one sandwiched ISA board, which plugs into an ISA backplane carrying some extra electronics such as FDC. This week, though, I found another Victor CPU board, but carrying a 486SX instead, and with an additional PS/2 mouse port. It doesn't seem to have the IDE header, though. What kind of computer could this have been used in? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6. Iggy tipsar: Koppla aldrig en C128-transformator till en A500. ?ven om kontakterna ser likadana ut, ligger sp?nningarna fel.

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Somewhat OT: DNS problem resolved

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

DNS problems that were, for the past two days, interfering with normal mail flow in and out of bluefeathertech.com have been corrected. A great big CLASSICCMP "Thank you!" goes to Jay West, our list maintainer, for helping me to troubleshoot the problem. ;-) Although she's not a listmember, Juli Kislenger at Qwest Internet also deserves a big batch of kudos. I consider it a miracle that I got her instead of some newbie handling my case. The end result: Blue Feather is now entirely self-hosted, including local DNS boxes. The only things I'm dependent on USQwest for now are my actual connectivity and my Usenet feed. Everything else is most definitely local (about 30 feet away in my garage, to be exact). Lots of stress, lots of work, but well worth it in the end knowing that I can now configure the domain -exactly- the way I want it to be configured. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates to me that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Gym Z. Quirk, aka Taki Kogoma).

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Serial pinout for Pioneer laserdisc

by ecloud＠bigfoot.com

I'm not sure this is 10 years old yet, but anyway... the info is so scarce you'd think it was. :-) Anybody have the pinout of this DB-15 serial port? -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud(a)bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd(a)kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________

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AT&T Scsi Drive Specs

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:28:54 -0800 (PST) Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> writes: > > Wait a minute, guys. Did this drive come with a bridge board? > > I've seen a couple of AT&T units with ESDI drives, with fancy > > EMULEX bridges attached thereto. Of course, if yours is an > > expansion box, then there would be no controller-- the > > emulex bridges could handle two or four drives, depending > > on the model. > > The Pocket PCRef lists the 'D'suffix as SCSI, Jeff. The ESDI > version > has an 'E' suffix. Does not lis the 'DA' suffix, though. > > - don D'oh! (Slaps forehead). ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Questions about TRS-80 Expansion Interface

by louiss＠gate.net

Well, there is no RS-232C port with the basic interface. This requires a card to be installed in the bay on top of the interface. If you have this card installed, the signals appear at the "Expansion Board Card Edge" which is in the middle of the front of the interface. The card edge is 40 pin. The following are the main signals an pins: 18-TD; 20-SGND; 22-RD; 30-CD; 32-CTS; 34-DTR; 36-RTS; 38-RI; 40-DSR. Louis On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:21:23 -0800 (PST), Vintage Computer Festival wrote: * *I need to know where the serial port connector is on a TRS-80 Expansion *Interface. I have two of them. One has its ports labeled, and one of the *ports is labeled "MODEM" but it is simply an edge connector. Is this the *serial port? If so, what's the pinout? * *Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! * *Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival *----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- *International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * *

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AT&T Scsi Drive Specs

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:19:29 -0500 (EST) Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> writes: > > Goldarg <goldarg(a)dub.net> wrote: > > > I recently got a AT&T SCSI drive from a friend and wanted to see > if I could > > > > > Model: 97536DA > > > Option: STD > > > Ser No: 3001a97212 > > > Handle With Care > > > > >From the model and serial number, I'd guess that this drive was > > made by Hewlett-Packard in the first week of 1990. Those look > > like HP model and serial numbers. > > > > http://www.tame.com/hp/hpinfo.htm suggests that a 97536DA is a > > 330MB ESDI disk drive, OEM version. > > > > If you think it's SCSI, I wouldn't be surprised that it is > > high-voltage differential SCSI; HP did that sort of thing. > > > > -Frank McConnell > > They were pretty common in both single ended and differential. > > I'll bet it's differential SCSI. Wait a minute, guys. Did this drive come with a bridge board? I've seen a couple of AT&T units with ESDI drives, with fancy EMULEX bridges attached thereto. Of course, if yours is an expansion box, then there would be no controller-- the emulex bridges could handle two or four drives, depending on the model. Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Disassembling Gateway Solo and P3C laptops?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I picked up a laptop with a broken screen because it had more memory and a larger HD and a faster processor than a similar model I already owned. I'd like to swap the displays. Any tips on disassembling laptops? I have removed the bezel around the screen - two screws and pop the tension clips around the edge. I found four screws along the back, but they didn't seem to loosen anything. The keyboard may pop out, but I don't know how to disengage it. - John

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Aquarius and Memotech MTX512

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

>>My friend has a Mattel Aquarius computer on eBay - thought I'd mention it since it's still cheap and may be of interest to someone that collects older machines. It's item 1208196262 if you're inclined to check it out. I believe it's a fairly complete setup and in good condition. I can however attest to the fact that the seller is very repautable and very good to work with. Hehe - I found one yesterday in a thrift store along with another ebay perennial, the Binatone TV Master MK10 pong, boxed :) The same shop also has the following, all for (I guess) between ukp10 and ukp30: Acorn Archimedes 3000 with monitor Amstrad PCW9512 Amstrad PCW9512+ Amstrad PCW8256 (single drive) Amstrad PCW8256 (twin drive) Amstrad PCW8xxx (it's in a box so I can't see it too well) Atari 520STe Atari 2600 (PacMan edition, boxed) Atari 7800 with PSU and both controllers *with* thumbpads still intact Amiga 500+ Victor 286PC Amstrad 386 PC (Can't remember the designation) Apple keyboard for a compact Mac If anyone's interested please contact me off list - the place is only 5 minutes from here. As an aside, I picked up a Memotech MTX512 on monday (along with a boxed Color Genie (<bounce>), boxed JVC HV-7GB MSX and Toshiba HX10) and it's a really odd machine. For a start its 3 1/2 inches longer than my other MTX512 and has no stickers on it whatsoever apart from the name label, not even port designations on the back. Inside looks pretty normal, except the board is right on the left to allow access for the expansion slot but they've left the keyboard on the right, and its an MTX500 keyboard. Haven't tested it yet but I was told it worked. As luck would have it I found Mr. Memotech himself down in London but he hasn't got back to me yet! Oh, anyone got a spare manual for a Color Genie? :) cheers -- Adrian Graham MCSE/ASE/MCP C CAT Limited Gubbins: http://www.ccat.co.uk (work) <http://www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk> (home) <http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (The Online Computer Museum) 0:OK, 0:1

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Format for IBM display writer disks??

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Does anyone know what disks format the IBM Display writer uses? Joe

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Format for IBM display writer disks??

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Errrm, I have 8" hard-sector disks.. they are used by my Wang 2200MVP.. which would mean the Nicolet 1080 possibly also uses hard-sector floppies, since they share the same floppy disk drives, Shugart 9xx, can't remember the number offhand. The DisplayWriter uses the 31SD. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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SCreaming RD54 aka Maxtor 2190

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Clint Wolff (VAX collector) <vaxman(a)qwest.net> >There is a small copper (berylium?) bracket on the bottom of the RD53 >which connects the spindle to ground. Removing said bracket reduces Only if its a RD53, a Micropolus 1325, yes removing the static drain does invite a minor headto media snap. Better to move or lube with a tiny bit of graphite. >will considerably shorten the life of the drive... My personal belief >is the drive is near the end of its life anyway when it starts to whine, >so removing the bracket doesn't do much of anything to it... RD53s generally suffer from heat, keep em cool and they do better. Same for RD54s. I have a RD54 that screams, I've been waiting for it to fail for the last 5 years...it hasn't. Allison

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Need NeXT 1100 info

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Hi; Looking for info on NeXt 1100 Pizza Boxes. What is the processor? Memory? Color/Mono? HD? CD? Collectability? Things to look out for? Accessories needed? Paxton

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Computer Museum?

by William.King＠dadaboom.com

You might be thinking of: http://www.computerhistory.org Bill

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Dutch auction for TRS-80 Model II's

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 18, Jeff Hellige wrote: > Wow...there's actually a dutch auction for 4 TRS-80 Model > II's on eBay at the moment....no reserve at that. I've no connection > to the seller but found it interesting since auctions for multiples > of that type of hardware is fairly uncommon. The URL is: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1208570093 This is cool; I've always wanted a Model II. I'm gonna go for one. -Dave McGuire

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AT&T Scsi Drive Specs

by goldarg＠dub.net

Howdy! I recently got a AT&T SCSI drive from a friend and wanted to see if I could get it working in my Sparc SLC but I don't have specs and cant find any online, The drive has a number of labels on it KS-23494 L11 B 5.25 Inch SCSI Winchester Disk Drive Model: 97536DA Option: STD Ser No: 3001a97212 Handle With Care AT&T-CC 405 723 057 is below one bar code AT*T-SN 9075361972212 is below a 2nd bar code Its a big drive and spins up but probe-SCSI does not find it. The last Label on the drive is 97536DA 6 8942 003 c3 b 2920 a9 6394 DIFF8840 Primary Rev Code: 3001 I'm wondering if the 'DIFF8840" part means its not normal SCSI and wont work with my SLC Any pointers to info or suggestions?

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VAX 4000/VLC prom password?

by antonio.carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>A friend of mine just picked up a VAX 4000/VLC (on my recommendation as a >nice small VAX) and I thought it was broken, because the 'sho dev' produced >"illegal command." Turns out it has had a password set, but of course the >seller didn't know that. Anyway, how does one tell the VAX to "forget" that >it has a password set? Is there a jumper or something somewhere? Turn off the power. Find the two triangular solder pads near the TOY (it has a clock face printed on it) and short these together with a screwdriver. This is from the VLC/4k60 Condensed Service Information so I assume it applies to both. Antonio arcarlini(a)iee.org

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SCreaming RD54 aka Maxtor 2190

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> >Could you set it up to netboot and copy the disk over before it croaks? >If it was running VMS I'd suggest clustering it. I'm thinking the difference >in performance between having it netboot and run against an NFS disk vs >running against the mfm drive isn't going to be all that big. Check and see if it has DECNET on it and copy the disk via that to another VMS machine. IF not then use TCP/ip to copy the disk. As a machine you can put a lot of different disks into it and if you netboot/mop load it put a small disk in it as SWAP, as swapping over eithernet is SLOW. Also the power supply want that 30W load so you have to have a drive. Possible drives ST225(20mb), Quatum D540(30mb), ST251(40mb), XT21290(160mb) to name a few. that machine can format drives! >> versions as well (KA41 - KA49). Fortunately for me the desktop VAXes take >> up _much_ less room than the deskside variety, also the drive has Ultrix32 >> on it and its my only Ultrix based VAX (I've got Ultrix media for MIPS but >> not for VAX). I'm guessing that if I moved the jumper back I'd see it has >> some sort of frame buffer as well, perhaps it would bring up X even. It just might! Allison

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SCreaming RD54 aka Maxtor 2190

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: William Fulmor <wpfulmor(a)dimensional.com> >I've had very good luck shutting up XT2190's and RD54's simply by turning >them upside-down. In my particular set up (old pee cee cases) they also >run _much_ cooler. That might present mounting and cabling >complications in your situation. YMMV. If turning it is a fix then flip the MV2000, they are rather small anyway. Allison

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SCreaming RD54 aka Maxtor 2190

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> >Chuck, if it really is an RD54 - aka Maxtor XT2190 - the motor is >internal and inaccessible. There is, however, a Priam 519 that has the >same parameters as the Maxtor, and it has rotating parts external to the >disk housing. I do not know whether DEC used Priam or not, though. the likely hood is its a Maxtor XT2190, and yes some are very LOUD. They do seem to keep working even then. the usual source of the noise is internal bearing being flatspotted due to shock or the motor really working hard to spin the platter. Make sure the 12V is! Allison

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Questions about TRS-80 Expansion Interface

by vcf＠siconic.com

I need to know where the serial port connector is on a TRS-80 Expansion Interface. I have two of them. One has its ports labeled, and one of the ports is labeled "MODEM" but it is simply an edge connector. Is this the serial port? If so, what's the pinout? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Need online TRS-80 Expansion Interface manual

by vcf＠siconic.com

Does anyone know where a TRS-80 Expansion Interface manual might reside online? Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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first programs

by mikeford＠socal.rr.com

I knew about computers for a long time before I actually bought one for myself, and from articles and books knew a bit of basic. One of my first programs was a couple lines of basic I could quickly type in on the demo computers at Radio Shack. It endlessly printed to the screen a string one character at a time with about a 3 second delay between characters, "I am a slow and stupid computer. ". Made a nice pattern on the screen.

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VAX 4000/VLC prom password?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hello ClassicCmp and Port-vax, A friend of mine just picked up a VAX 4000/VLC (on my recommendation as a nice small VAX) and I thought it was broken, because the 'sho dev' produced "illegal command." Turns out it has had a password set, but of course the seller didn't know that. Anyway, how does one tell the VAX to "forget" that it has a password set? Is there a jumper or something somewhere? --Chuck

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SCreaming RD54 aka Maxtor 2190

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I've got a newly re-functioning VAXStation 2000 which is equipped with an RD54 hard drive. The system boots into Ultrix 3.1 however it is _very_ loud. The drive has got a serious whine to it. I'm wondering if there is a bering or a brush somewhere that I can lubricate to cut down on the noise! --Chuck

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Death by Poking

by jpl15＠panix.com

On the subject of early 'fragile' monitors, kill-able by the wrong refresh rate: I was always under the impression that, being by neccessity rather cheaply engineered and produced devices... the designers used many of the long-standing "tricks" from decades of consumer TV practice to "get by with less". Anyone who has worked at all with (especially 60s-era) TV sets will know what this means. The beam deflection circuits in most monitors have magnetic deflection coils around the neck of the CRT (called the deflection 'yoke) which carry the vertical and horizontal sweep frequencies and thereby move the internal electron beam around on the face of the CRT screen. Since the early monitors were designed to run at very limited sweep rates (or even at one single sweep or refresh rate) the engineers could use a factor called "resonance" to get by with less wire in the coils and simpler electronics to drive them Basically, the yoke coil is calculated to 'ring' at a certain frequency, and of course this is the horizontal refresh rate. The circuit is designed so that at that freq, the yoke is in resonance, and therefore uses less current to get the job done; hence less wire and lighter, cheaper parts. The circuit is made to be resonant over just a narrow range of frequencies (called the 'Q' of the circuit) and if the driving signal strays very far >from this range either way, the circuit is no longer in a condition of resonance, it begins to draw large amounts of power trying to do the same work, and, in a lot of the 'cheap' monitors, the whole thing actually overheats and burns up while you are looking at the jagged lines and trying to figure out what to do next. Any kind of setting (hardware or software) which could alter the horizontal rate without reagrd to the type of CRT device it's driving is liable to this kind of smoke-producing behavior. Newer multi-sync CRTS have spoiled us... ALSO: Long ago in the Big Iron days... the were some machines in the Philco line whose power supplies in some configs were marginally inadequate. It was possible to load the machine (with programs and data) and trip (or burn) the power units... but this was an isolated case. Program damage to most older computer systems was mostly caused by making peripherals do things they shouldn't... usually in cases of the device handler software being abused or tweaked by The Unwary and causing resultant mechanical damage. Cheerz John

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Nuke Redmond!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>> On the other hand, who knowsif history had been different, perhaps >> Apple and Microsoft would have gone away, Linux and other free UNICEs >> would never have come into existence, and most of us would now be >> using MP/M-IX with a GUI, many security features and long upper-case >> filenames, using 64-bit 300MHz CPUs descended from the Z80. I. The Pentium is related to the z80 by way of the 8088 based on the 8080! II. Before DOS there were people developing OSs, Flex, Unix, OS/9, NS*dos, And an assortment of CP/M clones. III. There were 16 bit decendants of 6502, they had potential. Allison

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How to clone an IDE drive (OT)

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

FWIW: Last weekend, Staples had an ad in the local paper for a 20Gb drive for $99 and they'd give you a free 32 Mb SIMM with it. I bought one of the drives (a Maxtor 32047) and just finished installing it in my daughter's Pentium II box that's running WinBlows 98. The software that came with the drive copied everything (about 17 Gb of files) from the old drive to the new one with no difficulties in about an hour. The only problem that I had was that the copy program wouldn't work with both drives on the primary disk controller channel. I had to put one on the secondary channel and one of the primary. After it finished copying, I removed the old drive and installed the new one in it's place, reconnected the two CD drives to the secondary channel and rebooted the machine with NO changes or problems. Joe

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Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 floppy drive

by hellige＠mediacen.navy.mil

>It uses the serial port. I seem to remember utilities for >the PC that pretend to be a disk drive for an M100 in this >fashion, as well as tools that would let the drive connect >to the PC. I think the drive came with a disk containing >a utility or two. TS-DOS, available from Club 100, can be either disk or ROM based. Desklink, available on the Club 100 web site as 'DL-ARC.EXE', also includes limited RAM based versions that can be transferred to the 100/102 using a null modem cable. The Desklink archive is what I use to turn my 486 laptop or Mac clone into a fileserver for my Model 102. Once you use Desklink to transfer the RAM-based TS-DOS loader into the 100/102, you should then be able to access the portable disk drive. Jeff

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SCSI? card identification

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >I've got an Amiga external SCSI drive made by Tecmar that has a 37-pin > >connector... > Is this the Tecmar T-disk? I've got a 20meg version and it > requires a sidecar for the A1000, which also provides a 1meg memory > expansion. That's the one. > It has it's own CPU that branches off to both the sidecar > and the disk drive and there are a number of files that have to be > added to the A1000's Workbench disk in order to access it. It won't > boot from the Tecmar. That was absolutely typical of Amiga 1000 disk interfaces. I had a "WEDGE" for a long time - an 8-bit ISA adapter that came with drivers for the Western Digital WX-1 interface. It was replaced with a Microbotics StarBoard - mine was fully loaded - clock, 2Mb RAM and SCSI (the "StarDrive"). I was able to go from two ST225 drives (40Mb) to one Maxtor LXT213S (200Mb drive from a SPARCstation) with that upgrade. Between the two interfaces, I was set from about 1987 until I replaced the A1000 with an A3000 in 1993 (it lasted until I brought an A4000 home with me from N.Z. after replacing the 220/50Hz PSU with the guts from a PC PSU, around 1996) I still have my premiere copy of _Amiga World_ that has the T-Drive and the rest of the peripherals advertised *months* before they were ready to ship. They were billed as the first Amiga hard disks, but ISTR they took so long to finalize their product that there were several offerings out there when you could _finally_ buy one. Infamous vaporware in the early Amiga days. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 floppy drive

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:19:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> writes: << I've got one. I was so cool in 1987 or so, carrying the M100 and a disk drive, writing articles on airplanes. I even remember using CompuServe via the M100. It uses the serial port. I seem to remember utilities for the PC that pretend to be a disk drive for an M100 in this fashion, as well as tools that would let the drive connect to the PC. I think the drive came with a disk containing a utility or two. - John >> Wish I did! I just got my first M100 this week! Picked up a 32k m100 in pristine condition with the manual (no case or drives though) for $10. 4 AA bateries later and it was running great. Have to say these are really cool little computers! -Linc Fessenden.

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Interact (was Death by Poking)

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

I remember reading somewhere that Gates' last real project was the BASIC in the Radio Shack Model 100 (1983??) ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: THETechnoid(a)home.com [mailto:THETechnoid@home.com] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:41 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Interact (was Death by Poking) Thanks! Bill talks kind of like Tonto. I've never really known what Gate's personal contribution to coding has been. Did he write on Mbasic, Msdos, or any of the Windos's? When did he quit coding? Regards, Jeff In <200101181442.GAA10586(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu>, on 01/18/01 at 10:40 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> said: >http://www.tcp.com/%7elgreenf/bill.htm -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey S. Worley President Complete Computer Services, Inc. 30 Greenwood Rd. Asheville, NC 28803 828-277-5959 Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com THETechnoid(a)home.com -----------------------------------------------------------

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operating system integrity (coming from Nuke Redmond)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> In <8763AE987517D2118C0500A0C9AB234C509D72@TEGNTSERVER>, on 01/17/01 > at 04:54 PM, Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> > said: > > Yea! Object Desktop is GOD'S OWN TOY. I love it! They ported it to > Windos, but it caused lots of stability problems. The OS/2 version runs > beautifully and I've been addicted to it for years. I have to agree with the others in this thread... Windows is inherently not stable, while OS/2 is.... thus Object Desktop on Windows doesn't CAUSE instability, it merely illuminates it. I am biased, however, as I'm a Stardock Avatar. > My favorite component is the virtual desktop feature. I couldn't live > without it. > > The Windows version is a program. The OS/2 version is not. It is a > collection of Workplace Shell objects simply taking advantage of the OS/2 > Gui's object inheritance and polymorphism. Pretty darn impressive. True, Windows doesn't provide the underpinnings to do what was possible under OS/2. My two most-used features are ObjectDrivescan and ObjectEdit; however, I really do love the eye candy (Windowblinds, WindowFX, DesktopX, and ObjectBar). Regards, -dq

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SCSI? card identification

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- THETechnoid(a)home.com wrote: > In <3.0.5.32.20010117183929.007bf6f0(a)yellow.ucdavis.edu>, on 01/17/01 > at 10:18 PM, "Edwin P. Groot" <epgroot(a)ucdavis.edu> said: > > > 37 pins? What an oddball number. I have seen floppy cables with 50, > >34 or 20 pins. 5-1/4" MFM hard drives have 34 pin plus 20 pin. SCSI hard > >drives have 50 pins. I've got an Amiga external SCSI drive made by Tecmar that has a 37-pin connector. Don't have the interface to go with it, though. It's a modular extruded aluminum case (like some modems) with a 3.5" MFM drive inside and some flavor of SCSI<->MFM bridge card to do the dirty work. Mine came from university surplus, so I have never seen it operate, FWIW. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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SCreaming RD54 aka Maxtor 2190

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

At 11:09 PM 1/17/01 -0700, Bill wrote: >Sounds about like a first generation DC-9 revving up for roll out? Yup. >I've had very good luck shutting up XT2190's and RD54's simply by turning >them upside-down. In my particular set up (old pee cee cases) they also >run _much_ cooler. That might present mounting and cabling >complications in your situation. YMMV. Actually this is a VAXStation 2000 so turning it upside isn't a problem (nothing else cares about orientation) but alas it did not noticeably change the whine. I'm really torn by this little machine. On the one hand I sort of swore off MFM drive based systems and was sticking to Q-bus based VAXen in the collection, but now with the VS2000 I've got a bunch of the workstation versions as well (KA41 - KA49). Fortunately for me the desktop VAXes take up _much_ less room than the deskside variety, also the drive has Ultrix32 on it and its my only Ultrix based VAX (I've got Ultrix media for MIPS but not for VAX). I'm guessing that if I moved the jumper back I'd see it has some sort of frame buffer as well, perhaps it would bring up X even. --Chuck

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Honeywell/Bull Terminals HDS 5

by spamoff001＠excite.com

From: Doug Stalker (doug(a)notme.com) Date: 07/21/99-11:37:42 PM Z Reply: Maybe This Applies............... HDS 7 setup access is bottom row of num. pad. - CTRL-, (comma) Setup left hand corner (gray key) - CTRL-. (period)Test Loop bottom row - CTRL- - (minus) Screen Test right hand corner _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/

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Nuke Redmond!

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Richard, >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:30:01 -0700 >From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> > >Sir, you damage your credibility with statements like some you've made here. >While it's true that the Microsoft products may not be the "best" thing for >thos of us who are inclined to fuss and fiddle with our computers, they're >WAY better for those who can't, won't, or shouldn't. There are errors of commission and errors of omission. You make one of the latter here. While it is true that Microsoft packages its OS's and Applications in such a way that they are easier to install, configure, and use than most similar unix software, it is also true that Apple packages its OS's and Applications so that they are *much* easier to install, configure, and use than Microsoft software. Mac OS software is far superior to equivalent Windows anything (as well as to Unix anything in my experience) for those of us not inclined to fuss or fiddle with our computers. This I know from personal experience with MacOS, Windows 95/98, NeXTStep (a variant of unix), Solaris, and AIX. I cannot speak for Linux, and there may be other OS/Application sets (Amiga?) on either end of the spectrum that are pertinent here but not familiar to me. >They enable a whole range of people who, 15 years ago, wouldn't have been >allowed in the same room with a computer to accomplish useful work, >something which FEW of us do, computer design, programming, and maintenance >all being overhead rather than useful work in most environments. They also >enable people to use resources such as the internet, who otherwise might >never have that experience, never mind that they use it primarily to save a >trip to the convenience store to buy a magazine in a brown wrapper. Although the market has disagreed horribly with me for many years, I can see no valid argument for choosing the Microsoft middle ground between Macintosh ease of use and unix power, security, and flexibility. (The most-cited argument, lower cost of underlying hardware, has been shown repeatedly to be invalid in most cases because of the time typically spent/lost trying to get Windows and its applications to play nice together, fighting viruses, configuring networks, etc.; I'll admit that competent power users like you and Allison can probably circumvent that and make Windows systems essentially as cost-effective as MacOS or linux systems.) As always, if the application you need is available on only one OS, that OS is the best for you and there's no valid argument against that, whatever the other characteristics of the OS. But for people who wouldn't have been allowed in the same room with a computer, or who just want to access the internet, Microsoft is a *long, long* way behind Apple and its third parties for ease-of-use. >I would exhort you to eschew reiteration of other people's falsehoods and, >instead, search for a solution to the problems you so clearly perceive. >Squandering bandwidth on matters that most of the computer world doesn't >perceive as a problem will only hasten the day when we have to pay for our >internet use by the bit. My solution is maintaining a Microsoft-free zone at home and minimizing use of Microsoft at work. This is not only because I dislike their products (excepting Excel, which has merit IMO), but because I really regret and fear what their illegal business practices have done to the industry in many areas, including file interchange standards, expected reliability and pre-release testing of software, customer support, etc. etc. >Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:06:10 -0700 >From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> >... >Both Windows and the popular varieties of LINUX are pretty easy to install >these days. However, Windows suffers greatly from the fact that it has >tried to maintain the usefulness of those applications that were written for >and bought concurrently with much earlier versions of the OS. >... I must point out that MacOS has the same "burden" - and bears it *much* better, as "antique" Mac software is far more likely to run on a new Mac system than same-vintage Win/DOS software on a Windows machine. (I *hate* to think I may have accidentally brought this back on-topic...) >Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:20:43 -0700 >From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> > >It's just the American way of doing business. Detroit's been doing it for >50 years. Get over it! By definition, it's not the American way if it violates US antitrust laws. MS was convicted in court of criminal practices (anticompetitive actions) essentially victimizing me, the consumer. Am I going to willingly send them more money? Is this a trick question? Based on their record, I believe that if they can find a legal or illegal way to decrease Linux' effectiveness, they will do it immediately. I'd much rather see Linux reduce MS to a footnote. CorelSuite, AppleWorks, NetScape, Adobe, Filemaker, and StarOffice would all still be there, I'd still be able to get my work done - and file standards would stay a lot more standard. - Mark

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by jtinker＠coin.org

Richard Erlacher wrote: > > It's because, not only are other companies as devious, in fact ALL other > surviving companies are, in their way, as devious, but that's what they're > SUPPOSED to be. No, companies are limited liability constructs of the state. They fall under the same social contract that the state does, even more so. Yes, we can, and should, insist that corporations be ethical. The nature of a corporation's "rights" is quite different than the nature of an individual's rights. The corporation exists at the pleasure of the state. Corporations are SUPPOSED to be what the state intends them to be. The same is not true of individuals. The state has the power to regulate the ethical behavior of corporations, even to the extent of demanding that the corporation be altruistic. But altruism is not the issue with Microsoft. Rather the issue is unethical business practice. Beyond that, you have not answered my question as to why you are defending unethical behavior. Why not let those who would promote ethical behavior take the lead, even if you don't think they have much chance at success? Why try to shoot them down? What is to be gained by it? -- John Tinker

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> > >And Zilog developed a 16 (or 32-bit?) descendant of the Z80 themselves, too, I >might add. The Z8000. Z80 and Z8000 are not even close to each other. The Z80 is superset of 8080 and 8088 is more an offshoot of that. The 16bit Z80 and the later 32bit are the Z280 and 380 series and they are z80 code compatable. >The 65816, right? Used in the Super Nintendo, amongst others. AppleIIgs as well. Allison

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