All this talk of the KIM-1 reminded me that I'd prepared an
HTML file of the MOS Technology paper tape format, also
used by other 6502 machines (UK101 in particular). Anyway,
without further ado, here's the link:
http://www.gifford.co.uk/~coredump/mosptp.htm
Hope this helps anyone who's trying to get data on/off a
KIM, or indeed anything that uses this format. Many EPROM
programmers will accept it, for instance.
--
John Honniball
Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk
University of the West of England
I have one excess IBM/Lexmark model 4033-001 token ring print server to part
with for what I paid for it. It's in like new condition, has the power
supply and manual. Has it's own unique ID, 16/4 switch and serial/parallel
ports. The serial port is a standard 9 pin d-sub and the parallel is a
standard 25 pin d-sub. It does not include a token ring whip, you add your
own style with 9 pin end to the unit. The 4 I installed on an AS/400 network
and they flawlessly installed and I have spoken with others that have used
these on System/3x and RS/6000 systems without problems, although they say
it's a little more manual due to the older OS. The unit is in great cosmetic
shape as well.
I had bought 6 of these and used 4 on a projest and had 2 left. One is now
spoken for and I have the last one left(the best of all of them I think). I
paid $7.50 per unit and that's what I need to get from it plus shipping.
Shipping should be minimal as the whole unit w/PSU weighs about 2.5lbs (prob
3 packed).
I would prefer that this be shipped only within the US 50 states and APO/FPO
addresses to preclude all the time I'd have to invest in international
shipping documents.
If I don't get this unit spoken for by Monday 1/29 I'll be putting it on
eBay.
Russ Blakeman
Clarkson KY 42726 USA
From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se>
>ajp166 skrev:
>
>>Also for those that dont know or havent tried, the image the mop loader
>>sends
>>out does nto have to be VMS. We used it for ELN and other toys at DEC.
>
>ELN?
ELN was a real time framweork for stand alone applications that was
somewhat compatable with VMS filesystem. MDM {microvax diagnostic
monitor} is written on the ELN framework.
Allison
Upon the date 11:37 AM 1/23/01 -0600, Richard W. Schauer said something like:
>Hi everybody-
>
>I just recently acquired a whole bunch of stuff out of a company's
>basement, including a VAX-11/780, VAX-11/750, 4 RA81's, a TU80, a
<snip>
Nice basement! What a great haul Richard!
>phase on it. I figure this would about balance the draw at 40 amps, 220
>volts, which isn't too unreasonable.
Not if you live in California nowadays! :-)
Have fun with all of it! That's what can be great about our hobby (a.k.a.
affliction) ;-)
-Chris
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URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/
Hi, does anyone know where I can get hold of Sun monitor cables (ideally
in the UK)? I have four SS2 pizza boxes, an IPX, monitors, keyboards,
mice, and lots of external drives, but no monitor cables! I did get one of
them running after wiring the monitor with individual soldered wires from
connector to connector, and I have also had a couple of them running over
a serial console, but I'd like to get some proper monitor leads so that I
can set them up and sell them as full systems (I want to keep one for my
collection, but the rest are just taking up space that could be used for
other junk, er, classic hardware). They use 13W3 D type connectors, and I
did actually manage to get hold of the connector shells from Farnell, but
they don't seem to be able to get hold of the signal pins for them.
Also, about half of the external SCSI boxes use a weird oversized-D SCSI
connector (I think it might be an early SCSI 1 format) that I haven't been
able to find cables for either. I'm not as bothered about those, but if
anybody knows where I can find them (and adapters to SCSI2, which is what
all the controllers use) cheaply, that would be cool too.
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I am actively looking for a working DEC VAX 4000/200 with Open VMS, drives,
SCSI capable and in good repair. It will be used to support an existing VAX
in our system. If anyone has one or can tell me where to find one, I would
appreciate it very much.
Joseph Gaspard
Senior Systems Engineer
GensiaSicor Pharmaceuticals
Irvine, California.
On January 23, Richard W. Schauer wrote:
> I just recently acquired a whole bunch of stuff out of a company's
> basement, including a VAX-11/780, VAX-11/750, 4 RA81's, a TU80, a
> pdp-11/44, 4 RL02's, an RP06, a TS11, and spare parts and printsets
> galore. (Yes, John Foust, the little pdp-11/44 in Milwaukee led to all
> that.) All the equipment was brought up a flight of carpeted stairs by a
> refrigerator dolly and human power, except the RP06 and the 780 where we
> used a come-along and a lifting frame I made. Heavy!
Wow...that's an excellent haul!
-Dave McGuire
I spent an enjoyable weekend dissassembling, cleaning, and re-assembling a
433MP (introduced 1990, so just on-topic). It came from an industrial
environment, and was one of the filthiest computers I've ever seen. I didn't
get any manuals, and there's very little info about these machines on the
Web (Compaq, as usual, pretends these machines never existed), so I was
hoping one of list DECkers could help with a few questions:
- the machine has 2 memory boards, which give a maximum of 32 megs of ECC
RAM, with 40 x 1 meg SIMMs. Can the system use more than 2 memory boards, to
go to 64 megs? Or can the 1 meg SIMMs be replaced by 4 meg SIMMs?
- on powerup, the system BIOS reports 640K of main memory, and 13312K of
extended memory; there are 25 x 1 meg SIMMs installed, so I'm expecting 20
megs after subtracting the ECC SIMMS. Any ideas why the BIOS isn't seeing
all of the available RAM?
- the system has 2 x 486/33 processor cards installed - one base CPU card,
and one CPU/SCSI card. The system can hold up to 4 processor cards; were
there any OSes that could use 4 processors at a time? Is it worth hunting
down two extra CPU cards?
- there's a TZK10-AA tape drive in the system. What tape cartridges does
this drive use?
- the processor cards use Intel 80486 DX chips at 33 Mhz. I dimly recall
that the 80486DX2/66 is a drop in replacement for the 80486DX33. Can I get a
quick speed boost by swapping the processor chips?
- finally, how popular were these machines? They're nicely built and
engineered, but I had never heard of them before I found this one, and the
MicroPDP-11 that I got with it ... but that's another story.
Thanks a lot for any help.
Mark Gregory
Hi,
I'm currently designing and building a 6502-based computer system for my
own use. Right now, everything is done. Except the damn floppy controller. I
read about the Apple floppy controller on the 'net (woz.org) and I would
like to get hold of some schematics. Anyone got any idea where I could get
these? Better yet, anyone mind scanning and e-mailing me it?
Thanks.
--
Phil.
http://www.philpem.f9.co.uk/
philpem(a)bigfoot.com
PGP Key Fingerprint:
1FA6 6C7F A2FD BB15 84BF
4993 2B27 0628 E54E 33B1
Yup, definetly a decent haul... I think my record is 3 Interdata 7/32C's, 3
Perkin-Elmer 3210's, a Perkin-Elmer 3205, 2 Perkin-Elmer 3203's, 5
terminals, 3 tape drives, 16 or so hard disks, some graphics terminal with a
joystick, and an entire pallet of manuals. All together: 14 pallets of
stuff...
Will J
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At 11:37 AM 1/23/01 -0600, Richard W. Schauer wrote:
>I just recently acquired a whole bunch of stuff out of a company's
>basement, including a VAX-11/780, VAX-11/750, 4 RA81's, a TU80, a
>pdp-11/44, 4 RL02's, an RP06, a TS11, and spare parts and printsets
>galore. (Yes, John Foust, the little pdp-11/44 in Milwaukee led to all
>that.)
Wow, so does this mean you'll deliver the 45 to me? :-)
Congratulations on a great haul!
- John
I have a partially-functional KIM-1 (date code 0378) I'd like to
restore.
(And if anyone has one in good condition to sell, I'm also interested.)
Currently, there are two things wrong, and I'm looking for general
advice on what if anything can be done to fix them:
1. The keypad is pretty flakey. Several keys register erratically,
and when they do, they bounce and report multiple times.
The '0' key is particularly bad in this respect.
The 'PC' key is utterly caved in. But all but the PC key
registers in with varying degrees of retries and effort.
I'm handy with soldering, and could remove the keypad, but
don't have any idea how to clean / fix a keypad, let alone repair
any broken springs, contacts, etc. Can it even be done? Has
anyone here even seen the inside of one of these?
2. The cassette interface doesn't read. It writes fine, the +12 supply
is
showing up where it's expected (pin 8 of LM311) and +11-ish on the
565 PLL, but I have no idea what the "normal" voltages on each pin
are to assist in further troubleshooting. All I'm sure about is that
the
output of the LM311 is not anything like what's expected, and the
trimpot doesn't affect the PLL frequency one iota according to my scope.
Any thoughts on how to tell what section is bad?
Thanks for any ideas out there.
In the meantime, I am thinking of wiring an outboard keypad and hooking
it
to the application connector. Hand-wired, of course. Where else would
you find a 3x7 matrix?
.
It's not labled as such, but there's a Hyperion currently on eBay
with the 'purchase now' option set at $40. It's got the canvas carrying
case as well. It's URL is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1209583008
Again, I have no connection to the seller. Just thought I'd pass
this on since a number of people have mentioned being on the look-out for
this machine.
Jeff
Ok, I have not had any responses on my request to buy a TRS-80 Expansion
Interface serial board. I am really getting desperate now.
I don't need to keep the board so if anyone is willing to lend or even
RENT me one then that would be fine.
$$$
Please reply to <sellam(a)vintage.org>.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:57:30 -0800
> From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com>
> Subject: Re: Intel ???? rescued, weekend finds
>
> This is "The ICEBox" an in-circuit emulator for Intel
> processors. It is a
> great way to bring up new designs and defeat copy protection
> schemes :-)
I've got a similar beast manufactured by Amtron. It's a 386PC with a
specialized interface card that you plug these bloody huge and heavy boxes
into that you must piggyback over a CPU or something. It came with pods for
8086, 8088, 286, 386SX, 386DX, 486 and 68K chips. Haven't powered it up yet,
and some of the pods have never been taken out of their rather large boxes.
No docs though.
> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:17:44 -0500
> From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Machines I'm looking for...
>
> According to an ex-Commodore engineer I used to correspond
> with, they were one and the same thing, as Commodore never did
Have you still got his details? Could you ask him about the European P500?
:)
> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:02:00 -0500
> From: Gene Ehrich <gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com>
> Subject: TI Expansion Unit
>
> I have the following that I am selling for an acquaintance.
>
> Let me know if you know anyone who is interested.
>
> Texas Instruments Home Computer Peripheral Expansion System
> Model No. PHP1200 in Original Box
>
> Never used
<puts hand up>. I'm interested but I guess I'm in the wrong country :(
> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:40:04 -0500 (EST)
> From: "r. 'bear' stricklin" <red(a)bears.org>
> Subject: Re: Windes ME
>
> And the N9000 Communicator uses a pair of 80386 CPUs. The 9110 uses an
> 80486. I know, I was there. (:
Does it? Ooo - I've got a 9110 right next to me ATM, but it looks a bit dead
:(
> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:26:14 -0700
> From: "Mark Gregory" <gregorym(a)cadvision.com>
> Subject: applicationDEC 433MP
>
> - - the machine has 2 memory boards, which give a maximum of
> 32 megs of ECC
> RAM, with 40 x 1 meg SIMMs. Can the system use more than 2
> memory boards, to
> go to 64 megs? Or can the 1 meg SIMMs be replaced by 4 meg SIMMs?
These things top out at 16mb and only report 14mb available......
> there any OSes that could use 4 processors at a time? Is it
> worth hunting down two extra CPU cards?
The only OS to use the dual CPU was a SMP version of SCO U**x 3.x, but I
could never see the point of a dual CPU machine with so little RAM
available!
> - - there's a TZK10-AA tape drive in the system. What tape
> cartridges does this drive use?
Off the top of my head I can't remember, so I'll go downstairs and get the
DEC bumf for it.
> engineered, but I had never heard of them before I found this
> one, and the
> MicroPDP-11 that I got with it ... but that's another story.
We only ever sold 1 (the mini version) to a local college to run some
financials on, we used one internally for SCO development (ack - what a
terrible OS), another one ended up with NT on it as a server and it ended
its days as a humble fax server - the other one ended up with Winduhs 95 on
running as a Quake server :o))
I think they were eclipsed 'cos that was around the time the PC market
started exploding.....
> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:16:55 -0700
> From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com>
> Subject: Re: KIM-1 restoration advice sought
>
> switch matrix to match what's on the KIM. I've built memory
> circuits, etc,
> for the KIM, but never paid much attention to the KIM itself,
> hence, I can't
> remember anything specific about the keypad, except that it
Do you know anything about memory modules for the KIM made by "The
Computerist"? My Kim's got one and I was told it's also an EPROM blower....
Ross:
> Thanks for the offer, but unfortunately I don't think it
> has anything like standard parts. Everything about it looks
> custom-molded to fit the
> unusual key shape (curved keytops with painted legends and
> smoothly-rounded key edges), unusual key layout (slide switch
> + two independent buttons and 3 x 7 matrix of scanned buttons).
>
> The way it's put together suggests to me a very well-designed
> custom keypad that would only make sense if sold in the
> thousands.
>
> Of course, as always, I could be wrong. :)
I think that the keypad for the KIM is actually from one of the CBM
calculators of the day since they'll have had one or two lying around!
Certainly from a looks point of view its identical to the keypad on one of
my non-scientific calcs from around '76/'77, both layout and power switch
are the same.
Back on me head :o)
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C CAT Limited
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<http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (The Online Computer Museum)
0/0
eBay's prices for HP 95LX's are ridiculous. It doesn't have to be the 1MB
model but I need another one to do some hardware hacking on. Does anyone
have a source for these, or would be willing to sell?
Also, I came up with an Aquarius 4K memory pack this weekend. Seems to
be in good condition. If anyone's after one of these, let me know and we'll
work out something.
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>Subject: New One-Liners.......
>
> 1. Home is where you hang your @
>
> 2. The E-mail of the species is more deadly than the mail..
>
> 3. A journey of a thousand sites begins with a single click..
>
> 4. You can't teach a new mouse old clicks..
>
> 5. Great groups from little icons grow..
>
> 6. Speak softly and carry a cellular phone..
>
> 7. C:\ is the root of all directories..
>
> 8. Don't put all your hypes in one home page..
>
> 9. Pentium wise; pen and paper foolish..
>
> 10. The modem is the message..
>
> 11. Too many clicks spoil the browse..
>
> 12. The geek shall inherit the earth..
>
> 13. A chat has nine lives..
>
> 14. Don't byte off more than you can view..
>
> 15. Fax is stranger than fiction..
>
> 16. What boots up must come down..
>
> 17. Windows will never cease..
>
> 18. In Gates we trust..
>
> 19. Virtual reality is its own reward..
>
> 20. Modulation in all things..
>
> 21. A user and his leisure time are soon parted..
>
> 22. Know what to expect before you connect..
>
> 23. Oh, what a tangled Web site we weave when first we practice...
>
> 24. Speed thrills..
>
> And, finally...
>
> 25. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day;
> teach him to use the Web and he won't bother you for
weeks.............
>
>
Last night, at the user group, we tried to fire up an old HP 9000/822 (I
trust this falls inside the classic frame?). Unfortunately, the key has
been lost somewhere along to road, so we had to hotwire it (is this the
correct term?). We have two large sets of manuals, but they only cover
HP-UX and various monitors, so we have no idea what all the error codes at
the front panel might mean. Also, where do we connect a console? We've got
two serial muxes at the back, as well as ethernet, but that's all the I/O
we've been able to find.
Any pointers to useful beginners' HP?
OK, here is the question of the day. I was just doing a search on RT-11
and came up with the following:
Browser Statistics for Monday 17/Jul/2000
http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/bstats/days/00-07/000717.html
The line of interest reads as follows:
1 WEBROW/1.1 (RT-11; PDP11/45)
Anyone know what this is? This could just be someone having their system
setup to report as being something else.
In searching on just WEBROW I'm guessing this might be a piece of Russian
software (most of the hits were Russian web pages).
Zane
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Hi all,
I just scored a Lego mindstorm 1.5 this week end unfortunately I am missing
the CD any one around got one and can make a copy? Pleas contact me off
line.
To bring it back to charter I also found an Atari Videon Touch Pad for the
2600. Were there many games that made use of it?
Thanks
Francois
At 11:23 22-01-2001 +0000, Alex Holden wrote:
<snip>
>Does anybody know what this drive is, how old it is, what type of machine
>it was used with, what capacity it is, how much it cost when new, etc.
That sounds an awful lot (and the part number format bears this out) like
the HDA from a Fujitsu 'Eagle' or 'SuperEagle' drive.
Any other guesses?
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http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K)
"I'll get a life when someone demonstrates to me that it would be
superior to what I have now..." (Gym Z. Quirk, aka Taki Kogoma).
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:23:44 +0000 (GMT) Alex Holden
<alex(a)linuxhacker.org> writes:
> position sensor). The mounting frame is shock mounted to the base
> via four rubber bushes. On the mounting frame is a label which says
> "B030-4840-T031A". On the top cover panel next to the head
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This looks like a Fujitsu number to me . . .
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>> One reason I would think Atari BASIC would be a bit larger is
>> the fact that it included support for all the advanced features of
>> the Atari hardware, such as collision detection and player-missle
>
>Jeff, keep in mind that Microsoft BASIC came from the same source tree no
>matter what the target CPU. The interpreter was written in a kind of
>macro language and run through a post processor for the target platform.
>Because of this there was very little, if any space optimizing done unless
>the OEM either got the generated source to work on, or they paid MS for
>the task. A couple of years ago someone posted a bit of this macro like
>code to alt.folklore.computers with a brief description of how it all
>went together. A dejanews hunt might even find it.
But that has little to do with my comment since Atari BASIC is not
Microsoft BASIC. MS BASIC was available seperately. Atari did thier own
interpreter which was written specifically for the 400/800 series machines
and incorporated functions specific to the hardware. Commodore on the other
hand did not build this same level of functionality into thier variants of
BASIC for the C-64 and I was just wondering if anyone knew if the MS BASIC
available for the Atari had any of it included. By your comments above, I
would assume not.
Jeff (replying to this from work)
Folks,
A few days ago, someone mentioned a dutch auction on eBay for four
TRS-80 Model II computer systems (#1208570093), but there was some
confusion as to whether or not the seller actually had four systems.
I've just exchanged email with the seller, and he says that he does
indeed have four units for sale.
-Dave McGuire
The CDC drive of which RDD speaks has auto-parking heads... no head
clamp/shipping lock there...
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Don't I need some DLLs or other proprietary software to be able t
communicate with it?
I can take this discussion over to the lego mail list where it will be more
appropriate.
Thanks
Francois
>The CD contains the tutorial, case-based programming tool and the firmware.
>The latest firmware can be downloaded from the mindstorms site.
>The case-based programming tool is quite weak. I would consider using NQC
>or legOS which is much more powerful and easier to use. Very C like for
NQC
>and legOS uses GCC...
>
>Ram
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sue & Francois" <fauradon(a)mn.mediaone.net>
>To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:06 PM
>Subject: Re: OT: Lego Mindstorm
>
>
>> Nope gotta buy the upgrade version from 1.0 to 1.5 (includes 77 pieces).
I
>> already bought the thing... Just that the CD was missing. And It gonna be
>> impossible to return or exchange it.
>> Thanks
>> Francois
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Strickland" <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com>
>> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 3:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: OT: Lego Mindstorm
>>
>>
>> > I have one. Have you checked the lego mindstorms website, they may
have
>> the
>> > newer version for sale.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > > I just scored a Lego mindstorm 1.5 this week end unfortunately I am
>> missing
>> > > the CD any one around got one and can make a copy? Pleas contact me
>off
>> > > line.
>> > >
>> > > To bring it back to charter I also found an Atari Videon Touch Pad
for
>> the
>> > > 2600. Were there many games that made use of it?
>> > > Thanks
>> > > Francois
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jim Strickland
>> > jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > BeOS Powered!
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
On January 21, Claude.W wrote:
> Anybody ever burn your own EPROM from a rom dump and just put it in a socket of a cartridge?
>
> I opened up a cart today to see a socketed ROM in there in only one of the 2 possible PCB locations for chips.
>
> I suspect 2 were used in some cartridges...not in the breakout game I opened today.
>
> Anybody know what eprom types are pin compatible for these if any?
I bet it's a relatively ordinary pinout...probably the ROM version
of a 2716 or 2732. I believe those chips have part numbers like
"2316" and such, if memory serves. There were lots of mask ROMs that
were pin-compatible with EPROMs in that era, before one-time
programmable EPROMs (plain EPROMs but in plastic packages with no
erasure window) became cost-effective.
Are the numbers on your chip readable? If so, what are they?
-Dave McGuire
From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se>
>ajp166 skrev:
>
>>>Can't the VAX netboot?
>
>>It can but you need a network partner that understands MOP boot such as
>>another VMS box.
>
>MOP d?mons are available for BSDs and Linux, too, IIRC. Have a look at
>http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/pmax for instructions.
I know about linux MOP. I suggested VMS box as they already know how.
Also for those that dont know or havent tried, the image the mop loader
sends
out does nto have to be VMS. We used it for ELN and other toys at DEC.
Allison
John:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:13:30 +0000 Adrian Graham
> <agraham(a)ccat.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hehe - I found one yesterday in a thrift store along with
> another ebay
> > perennial, the Binatone TV Master MK10 pong, boxed :)
>
> Ah, Binatone, whatever happened to them?
I still see the name on telephones so either they're still going or someone
else has the name.
> So how come the charity shops in Bristol aren't full of
> Good Stuff like this??? They seem to be scared of anything
> with a mains plug on it!
They're not allowed to sell electrical items because they need to be fully
tested for electrical safety, and that testing costs money. The shops can't
afford to be sued by someone who gets zapped!
This place is a true junk shop so he can sell absolutely anything.....
I asked him how much he'd want for the machines he's got and he said a
tenner each (what's that, around $15?), so if any of you across the Pond
want an Archimedes or an Amstrad I don't mind parcelling one up on receipt
of the postage money.
> Having said that, I did find two Amstrad PCW8512s and an
> Acorn Electron in a junk shop the other day. Eight quid
> for the lot!
heh....
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0/0
I have here a large hard disk drive which I know very little about. It is
very solidly built of what looks like thick aluminium castings (with lots
of fins) which has been anodised to a kind of light grey-gold colour.
According to the bathroom scales it weighs about 37.5Kg or 85lb, and is
about 40 * 27 * 34 cm or 1'4" * 11" * 1'1" in size. There is no control
circuitry in or on the drive itself as far as I can see. The heads are
connected to two 40 pin IDC connectors on top of the unit marked CN91 and
CN92, the head motor is connected to a two pin plug marked CN93 underneath
the unit, and the platter motor (which drives the spindle directly) is
connected to a 5 pin plug marked CN94 to the left of CN93. There is an
empty space for a CN95 connector next to CN94, and there is also a
connector marked CN95 on the main drive motor itself (it looks like a
position sensor). The mounting frame is shock mounted to the base via four
rubber bushes. On the mounting frame is a label which says
"B030-4840-T031A". On the top cover panel next to the head connectors is a
label with two barcodes on it, one above the other. Below the top barcode
it says "S/N A43396 REV B0". Below the bottom barcode it says
"C/N 1A9840". On the casing above the head drive motor is another barcode
label which says "S/N 3A43396". The main drive motor has a label that says:
UGBT1D-TP0FU11
B90L-1560-0101A
24V 4A
701297-2
YASKAWA ELECTRIC JAPAN
I don't have a digital camera, so no pictures I'm afraid.
Does anybody know what this drive is, how old it is, what type of machine
it was used with, what capacity it is, how much it cost when new, etc.
Also, does anyone have a use for it? I'm willing to give it away to a good
home, though I'd rather it was collected in person (from Burnley, in the
NW of England). Failing that, I'd be willing to accept the cost of the
postage (bearing in mind that it won't be cheap due to the weight) and a
reasonable contribution towards the cost of packing materials and the
effort involved in lugging the thing to the post office.
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------- Alex Holden -------
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Is there anybody out there, preferably in the UK, that wants a couple of
Bondwell model 2 laptops. They both work, I have floppies for CPM and
various other bits of software. I have currently found one of the power
bricks, but I am sure I have another somewhere.
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Kevan
Collector of old computers: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/
larry:
I've got a couple of these units too. It records about 20 seconds of sound
(at least mine do, I believe there were other models) and plays it back in
a loop at the desired FM frequency. The input power is a 5 pin male DIN
rated 22VAC and 20VA (reads on supply).
Looking at the the plug, from left to right the pinout is as follows 1 4 2
5 3 (with standard DIN numbering, measured with multimeter): (1) 23V
[between 1&2] (4) n/c (2)common (5) n/c (3) -11V [between 1&3 or 2&3]
1 3
4 5
2
I believe this unit only requires 22VAC between 1&2. These units were used
in realestate to give a short blurb about a house. Apparently they
retailed for $11 000 (?) back when the previous owner bought them.
Devon
> I have a box in a nice well padded soft-case called a Compu-Voxx.
>It was manufactured by Manutronics. It has a removable antenna.
>It appears to be some sort of transmitting device for sending
>messages. Based on the instructions on the face you record a
>message (to a chip I imagine) and then send if the selectable
>digital readout frequency is between 88.1 and 107.9.
> That sounds like the AM band to me. Could this be some sort of
>civil defense emergency device ?
> It has a 5-pin DIN plug for power which unfortunately didn't come
>with it which is not an unsurmountable problem.
> Anyone know what this might be.
>
>ciao larry
>
>Reply to:
>lgwalker(a)look.ca
If there's a listmember or two that are running NetBSD on an Apple
quadra, or knows their way around BSD, could you please p-mail me?
<mailto:jrasite@eoni.com> I'm having a bit of a problem getting it to
come up.
Thx.
Jim
Hi, gang.
I'm going through boxes of stuff, and came across a pile of ribbons
and several daisy wheels for a S-C printer that came with the one
Kaypro II I was given. I'll never use all of these ribbons or even the
alternate wheels....if someone can use them, mail me off-list and
we'll work out the details. I'd hate to pitch 'em, but I need the room.
Thanks.
Paul Braun WD9GCO
Cygnus Productions
nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com
"A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without a bunch of bricks tied to its head."
Hello, all:
The Altair32 project is progressing nicely. I've completed the coding, so
it's feature complete *except* for the Telnet server code. The emulator now
can load and save files, accept disk images (the "controller" is the
standard MITS 88DSK), and produce printer output. I also modularized it a
bit so that it's easier to add devices to it in the future.
Obviously, the Telnet server code is key since that's what will serve as
the attached terminal. So, we are unfortunately still restricted to using
the FP.
I have a few bells and whistles I like to add. For example, I'd like to add
real Altair fan noise. Spin up. Run. Shutdown. I'd also like to change the
FP to the original 8800 instead of the 8800b that was originally used. What
I'd want to do is superimpose the graphic switches and LEDs over a picture
of an actual 8800. The existing graphics size is 600x320, but I can make it
larger if need be.
I haven't posted the code to my Web site yet because I'd like to first
offer it up for "beta testing" to the ClassCmp group. If anyone is
interested in seeing the full source distribution including bitmaps and VC6
project files, please email me off-list and I'll send you a zip file.
Just a personal reflection. Before this project, I never programmed in C,
much less in "Windows." What a learning experience. I do have to say,
though, that C is fairly easy to learn and use, but I'm sure that I'm only
using about 20% of what C offers. And even at the end of the project, I
still have trouble with pointers :-).
Rich
ClubWin! Group 1
Collector of Classic Computers
Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
/*****************************************/
On January 21, Claude.W wrote:
> They arent anything obvious, thats the deal...
>
> AMI 8147BXW (date code...8147...?)
> CO12406-01 (your guess...)
> (c) 1980 Atari
> Korea
Hmm...nonsensical numbers... :-(
Hey, you could look at the board and see how many address lines are
wired up...
-Dave McGuire
Can anybody please tell me or point me to a diagram explaining which
connectors on the back of this disk are for what?
In addition, an explanation of how to interpret the diagnostic LEDs on the
top panel would be most helpful.
Tony, thanks for your information. It was a good start for me, but I
need some drive-specific information now. Seagate's web pages are worse
than useless for this.
ok
r.
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
>> I am suspecting a 2716 or 2732 too but...
>> ...
>
>I'd be suprised if you could fit a reasonable BASIC interpretter into 2K
>or even 4K of 6502 code....
Bizzare statement from you. The 6502 was fairly code efficient and there
were
basics that easily fit in both 2k (integer) and 4k (with floats).
>There is/was an 8K*8 mask-programmed ROM in a 24 pin DIL package (one of
>the versions of the 2364 IIRC), and I wonder if that's what you have. I
>can find pinouts of that ROM in the Rockwell databook if you need them.
Yes there was Mask roms were available in both larger and less costly
for before the Eprom versions.
Allison
On Jan 21, 20:14, Alex Holden wrote:
> Hi, does anyone know where I can get hold of Sun monitor cables (ideally
> in the UK)?
[...]
> They use 13W3 D type connectors, and I
> did actually manage to get hold of the connector shells from Farnell, but
> they don't seem to be able to get hold of the signal pins for them.
Farnell do list the coax inserts (they also stock the high-current power
plugs that can be used in other 13W3 appications), and IIRC they list the
13W3 shells in two places in the catalogue (which I don't have handy).
They might be out of stock, I suppose. If so, you can also get them from
Electrospeed (www.electrospeed.com):
169.23.1415.421 50 ohm straight plug 252-38733D ?4.08
23.2415.421 50 ohm straight socket 252-38734A ?6.17
FMX 003 P102 75 ohm straight socket 252-3104J ?3.05
FMX 003 S102 75 ohm straight plug 252-3106A ?2.36
(I'd check those part numbers; S102 sounds like it should be a socket and
P102 sounds like it should be a plug!)
Electrospeed also sell Siemens inserts for DIN 41612 mixed-body connectors,
which AFAIK are interchangable -- but the Siemens ones are (even) more
expensive.
You can also get them from RS (rswww.com) or Electromail:
485-164 RG178B/U straight plug ?4.16
485-170 RG174A/U straight plug ?4.57
485-186 RG178B/U straight socket ?4.84
485-192 RG174A/U straight socket ?3.89
You can get the cheap version from CPC (www.cpc.co.uk):
CN04661 RG179B/U 75 ohm plug ?1.43
CN04662 RG178B/U 50 ohm plug ?1.43
CN04663 RG179B/U 75 ohm socket ?1.52
CN04664 RG178B/U 50 ohm socket ?1.52
You can get Sun-to-VGA adaptors (both genders), half-pitch 50 D plug
(SCSI-2) to 50-pin 3-row D (which is probably what you called "weird
oversized-D"), and 50-pin D to 50-pin D from Videk (www.videk.co.uk).
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
Well, this is more a brag than something constructive, but I wrote my first
automatic Commodore 1541 disk drive re-aligner out of desperation this
weekend. I couldn't get it to read any disks and since this drive was the
internal 5.25" in the 128DCR, I couldn't just replace it. So I wrote a program
that commanded the FDC to whack the head into the restraining rail until it
could read the disk again. Voila. ;-)
The things you do when you're desperate ...
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Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu
-- Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. -- Salvor Hardin -----------
From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
> Where can PC/GEOS, aka New Deal, be found? It sounds pretty
>interesting and something I'd like to check out.
>
> Jeff
Uh try www.newdeal.com I posted it earlier in the string.
Allison
Hi
Anybody ever burn your own EPROM from a rom dump and just put it in a socket of a cartridge?
I opened up a cart today to see a socketed ROM in there in only one of the 2 possible PCB locations for chips.
I suspect 2 were used in some cartridges...not in the breakout game I opened today.
Anybody know what eprom types are pin compatible for these if any?
Claude
From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu>
>> FYI: it's only 2mb! Even the dos 6.22kit is larger and
>> www.newdealinc.com
>
>That's PC/GEOS. Trust me, it works. I was a PC/GEOS believer back in the
>early days and I think it's one fabulous GUI.
Dont have to trust you, I've got it and it does work very well.
Allison
Derek Peschel and I are sitting here scratching our heads making confused
noises trying to figure out why my Symbolics is broken.
It worked (to a point) before I moved to this new house. Now it's not
working even tot hat point.
Power good. We can't get the FEP booted.
I wonder if I haven't gotten the SMD disk hooked up correctly?
At the drive end, there ar four possibilities for where to connect the
60-pin A cable, and two possibilities for where to connect the B cable. I
have a terminator. We have wasted lots of time searching the web for this
informaiton.
How do I hook up the drive so I know it's connected properly? It's a 760
MB CDC Sabre 9720.
Help!
ok
r.
ps. Does anybody know enough about these machines to help me troubleshoot
it? I think the basic parts all work, but just not yet together. It's a
Symbolics 3650.
I found this in a news group, If anyone is interested reply directly
to the originator.
Joe
In comp.sys.intel.ipsc310, <dkitchen(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>Anyone interested in a possible donation of an Intel IPSC 860 SuperComputer,
>a spare chassis, and many, many related spare parts & boards, along with a
>ton of software and manuals please contact me. We used these for digital
>video processing but the nature of digital video has changed along with the
>ease of processing with modern computing systems has made this obsolete for
>digital video applications.
>
>Again, we are willing to donate this to the organization the will give it
>proper care and feeding. Otherwise it will be in a landfill in the near
>future. Yes, you have to pay all shipping and transport costs or pick it up
>in Southern California.
>
>Please contact me at dkitchen(a)hotmail.com
>
>
>
From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
>Has anybody got good logic analyzer pictures of the signals on the S-100
>driven by the really early 8080 CPU cards? I'm looking to get a
reference
Real simple start with a schematic of the MITS 8080 or IMSAI 8080 CPU
card
so you get to see how much buffering (mostly and only) and combinational
logic applied to some signals (nearly none). Then get an 8080 datasheet,
that IS THE TIMING for early S100.
All of the later Z80, 6502, 6800, LSI-11, TI9900, COSMAC, 8085 and
808X to name a few boards tried to approximate that timing (before it
morphed to IEE696) with combinational logic.
Allison
--- John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> wrote:
> Basically, the yoke coil is calculated to 'ring' at a certain frequency...
> ...The circuit is designed so that at that freq, the yoke is in resonance,
> and therefore uses less current to get the job done; hence less wire and
> lighter, cheaper parts... it begins to draw large amounts of power trying to
> do the same work, and, in a lot of the 'cheap' monitors, the whole thing
> actually overheats and burns up while you are looking at the jagged lines
> and trying to figure out what to do next.
We lost a 19" Dell monitor (not cheap) at work last year when our Webguy
punched in an unfortunate refresh rate and didn't hit test first. I wasn't
there at the time, but my two buddies in IT who were in his cube (but facing
away at the time) said the flash was impressive.
> ALSO: Long ago in the Big Iron days... the were some machines in the
> Philco line whose power supplies in some configs were marginally
> inadequate. It was possible to load the machine (with programs and data)
> and trip (or burn) the power units...
I heard about someone who disassembled a "worst-case" memory diagnostic for
some DEC machine with core, perhaps the PDP-8, perhaps some other 1960's
model. He calculated that the program did not, in fact, perform a worst-
case test for memory access/data loss. He described his ideas to improve
the program to a Digit (DEC employee) who was familiar with the hardware
and software in question. The curious customer was warned against implementing
his idea because it was already known that a true worst-case scenario would
result in too much current being drawn through the core stack, causing
serious thermal problems if left to run for extended periods of time.
Also, there were programs in the days if Big Iron to abuse hardware built
with a particular duty cycle in mind, print hammers coming to mind. One
I was told about by the perpetrator was simple and fiendish - he analyzed
the pattern of letters on the band and devised a print line that caused all
the hammers to trip at once, rather than the usual 10%-20% that fired when
ordinary text was printed. The resulting current drain from a relatively
small number of lines of this, fried the power supply.
Then there's the practice of writing disk diagnostics that take advantage
of harmonic oscillations when the drive's voice coil is slammed from inner
to outer track, causing the drive to walk across the room. There are stories
of this happening entirely due to heavy usage and disk thrashing, not just
college pranksters seeing what the limits of physics are.
Disks that weight one kg. and inkjet printers just aren't as much fun as the
older stuff, one might think.
-ethan
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