- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by vicky＠horizondatacom.com

Hi, I'm in the market for some drives for an HP 9000 300 Series computer. Can anyone help? I need the 10MB drives, part# 9153A or long pn# 97500-85600 or the 20MB drives 9153B or pn# 45816-69111. Vicky Nosbisch Horizon DataCom Solutions, Inc. P: 614/847-0400 www.horizondatacom.com vicky(a)horizondatacom.com

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Usenet postings on CD-ROM (was Re: Dejanews)

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 John Ruschmeyer wrote: > Even better, they are going to be reinstating the dejaNews archives > back to 1995. > > Now if someone would just find a way to incorporate the old Usenet on > CD archives and, perhaps, take donations of single articles that > people may have archived personally. A few years ago (probably 1992-1994??) at least one company produced monthly CDs containing Usenet postings. I seem to remember reading somewhere that were for use on Sun workstations or similar, since the CDs used the workstation's native filesystem rather than ISO 9660. Maybe they changed that for later CDs. Does anyone have any of these Usenet CDs? -- Mark

25 years, 4 months

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Older DEC manuals

by dan＠ekoan.com

Hello again, Further cleaning of a storage area revealed a three-ring binder containing the following DEC manuals, one of which surprised me: VT55 Programming Manual (AA-4949B-TC) DLV11-E and DLV11-F asynchronous line interface user's manual (EK-DLV11-OP-001) RL01/RL02 Disk Subsystem User's Guide (EK-RL012-UG-002) RX02 Floppy Disk System User's Guide PDP-11 Family Field Installation and Hardware Acceptance Reference Manual (EK-FS003-IN-002), the title page of which is stamped "COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL." My question on this one is, was it common for these field service manuals to find their way out into the wild? There is also a manual from Computer Devices, Inc., titled Miniterm 80/132 Printing Option (0008-03421G) Operation Manual Cheers, Dan

25 years, 4 months

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White Chapel Workstations (Hitech) Hardware/Docs/Software Wanted

by vonhagen＠vonhagen.org

After begging for help with my new MicroExploder, it occurred to me that it's been a while since I begged the group and the universe in general for any White Chapel Workstation or Hitech hardware, docs, marketing literature. if you have any WCW hardware, docs, etc. that you're willing to part with, please let me know. I'll pay something plus all shipping charges. It doesn't matter what country you're in! "Will work for obscure computers" Bill

25 years, 4 months

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Dejanews

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

> I'd been meaning pulling off all messages from a specific group off to my > local hard drive. yep, that's what I want to be able to do too. Most of it will be junk, obviously, but at least if I have it locally I only have myself to blame for losing it :) Using that group:xxx search string looks like just the job, should be able to write a client to hook up to the site and pull groups to local storage with that (and keep the threading too hopefully!). Not sure if that could be made compatible with awhatever format stuff's held in on a news server or not, but that'd be nice. Something to look into anyway... cheers Jules --

25 years, 4 months

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>I think you're thinking QNX and not BeOS (BeOS requires at least 32MB and >200MB disk space). I know QNX can be squeezed down to that (or at least >could at one point, not sure if it still will fit on a floppy). Thats it. QNX even has a demo with a browser that fits on floppy. There is also the linux kernal project, I have the LRP (router) on a single floppy. Though for smallness there is CPM-86 and DOS. Allison

25 years, 4 months

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FW: Tek XD88 (disk copying / sectors etc)

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

Hi, This was from a private email between Joe and myself - but as he says, there's plenty of disk / Unix experts on the list that might be able to answer this one! We were talking about the possibility of doing a raw backup of the failing disk in my Tek system and restoring it onto another disk to get it to work... > > I can > >get a 400MB disk dump from the drive by using dd on my linux system - but > is > >that any use? Assuming I could even find an identical drive as a > >replacement, even if I did something like catting the raw image to the > new > >disk, I'm not sure if that would give me something that would work (I'd > >still have the filesystem corruption too, but that's a separate problem) > > > >Do disks as read by dd appear as a bunch of linear sectors, regardless of > >drive parameters (heads, tracks etc.) - if that's the case then maybe I > have > >no problem; maybe I can even use any old drive providing it's the same > size > >or larger than the original disk? OK, I won't be using the full capacity > of > >the drive, but I don't really care :) (I have about 6 SCSI drives > sitting > >unused because I don't have space to put them in my main PC) > > > >I'm just thinking about inode tables and stuff and how they will probably > >get screwed up trying to do any raw copying... > What would be ideal would be if everything's just a linear bunch of blocks as far as dd and inode tables etc. are concerned - nice theory that I could use a different drive to replace the failing one, but I'm sure this wouldn't work! Anyone? The other thing I mentioned to Joe was the filesystem check - I remember at one point I could boot the Tek to single-user mode (throwing up a lot of filesystem errors along the way) and then run fsck - that'd give a lot of faults, but not correct them; any ideas how to do this? I'm fairly sure the system wouldn't even go to single-user last time I tried though. >From memory I managed to read all but a single block of data from the drive in a linux system a couple of years ago (might even still have that dump someplace) with a few retries, so if that block wasn't on something criticial, if I can get the raw data onto another drive somehow and if I can fix the filesystem I might be able to get a working system again (that's a few too many ifs though!) cheers Jules --

25 years, 4 months

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QNX!?!

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

> > > > QNX is also available free, including a windowing system, networking > > > > and a development environment. ( for non commercial users ) > > > > Jim Davis. Free? How do I get QNX for free? > > > Yeah, but they nickle & dime you on every single little utility that one > > > takes for granted with a real *nix. Want grep? It'll cost you. vi? > > > It'll cost you. vi? QNX used to come with ed, which was pretty good. > If you are interested in QNX, check out http://www.qnxstart.com/. Loads of > free software and the latest QNX news. Okay, I did system and application programming under QNX from '88 to '93, and found it to very robust, especially in networking and interprocess communication. Exceptionally fault-tolerant, too. Impossible to crash the kernal without writing code for that specific purpose. No problem running MS-DOS applications, either. Where can I get it "free?" Last I heard it was about $400. I didn't see anything at qnxstart.com about a free version, but perhaps I'm blind . . . the QNX demo includes a nice web browser and dial-up software, and, as expected from Gordon Bell, the mini-os, browser and dial-up fit on a 1.44 MB bootable floppy. How do I get the "free" version? Glen 0/0

25 years, 4 months

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OT: RF (was: RE: E11/WinME results....)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ross Archer <dogbert(a)mindless.com> >By the way, ANSI has a standard for RF exposure limits. I don't recall As do OSHA. >the std. number offhand but it shows that certain frequencies are likely to >affect certain body parts, so it's not a simple case of more dangerous >as the frequency goes higher (or lower.) For example, 1.2 Ghz is >about right for heating the vitreous fluid in the eyeball, and so exposure >to 1.2 Ghz should always be kept away from the eyes to prevent possible >vision damage. I think other frequencies are also bad for different organs. >Apparently, it's the heating effect of RF that tends to do the most damage >until the frequency gets quite high. The ability of RF to penetrate the body also goes down with increasing frequency. Also at incresing frequency the ability to focus RF power becomes easier and the antennas more compact adding to the the risk. All RF should be considered with care. IT's energy radiated and if you are in a concentrated field (IE: in front of a dish antenna) then the risks go up as compared to a diffuse field. Allison

25 years, 4 months

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OT: RF (was: RE: E11/WinME results....)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 15, Doug Salot wrote: > The FDA has established microwave radiation exposure levels greater than > 5mw/cm2 to be dangerous. The cards emit max about 200mw. I don't > remember how that drops off with distance (drops off with distance^2, > doesn't it?). That's correct, distance^2. -Dave McGuire

25 years, 4 months

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OT: RF (was: RE: E11/WinME results....)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >The new 802.11D devices like I've got operate at 2.4Ghz because > 1) its easy to do spread spectrum there No because it's legal there. ;) > 2) its the same frequency as most microwave ovens so the spectrum > is considered 'junk.' Nope. Microwaves are 900mhz or so. the 2.4ghz was picked for the lack of atmospheric bending making it line of sight and also efficient antennas very small. >The note with the card said, "do not operate closer than 2.5" to your skin >for extended periods of time." No definition of 'extended' as far as I Way lower than 2W, most are in the sub 160milliwatt range. Very low risk save for very close to the antenna as the concentration of power is greatest there and diminishes at the rate of square law so after a foot or so the power per sq/in is very low. Allison

25 years, 4 months

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RF (was: RE: E11/WinME results....)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <John.Allain(a)Donnelley.InfoUSA.Com> >Q: What Wavelengths and Wattages are known to really > be dangerous? What is the Frequency of a Microwave > oven, for example (900 Mhz? <g>). How much less > dangerous is a signal of 1/2 that, etc... I have > seen almost nothing scientific written on this subject > and want to know more. Microwaves run around 900mhz. That is the majik freq for really shaking water ions till they warm up. The key concern is the power/area* time With the threshold around 900mhz being about 10milliwatts/square inch. The effect is frequency sensitive where very low frequencies are less impact then say microwave. the primary damaging effect is heating either localized or generalized. I've been burnt by a 20watt UHF (474mhz) twoway radio when a bozo keyed up while I was working on the antenna. It punched a nice hole in my finger that took a long time to heal. cell phones FYI are in the 850mhz range and relatively low power in the sub .5W range with a low energy density. FYI the average HAM VHF or UHF portable is usually 2-10 times higher power output {1 to 5W}. There is some risk, I would consider it low by any standard I've seen. Oh, people who drive while talking on cell phones are 4 times more likely to be involved in an accident. That has been verified. Allison

25 years, 4 months

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LF Series 1600 (or something along those lines)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Anyone know what these are? Other than ugly heavy S-100 boxen? The case is about the size of a BA11 (i.e. standard rackmount), and they have 5.25" floppy drives and a couple 5.25" HDD's as well. Lots of ports in the back, so I'm guessing these are some kind of multiuser systems... The processor appears to be a V20, but I didn't look too close so don't hold me to that. If anyone would be interested in these or boards from them, let me know since they're going to be scrapped otherwise. They're not mine, but the guy at one of the surplus places I go to was about to dismember them and I figured I might as well post 'em, keep in mind that if you do want one, they probably weigh about umm 40 pounds or so... Located in Denver, CO, 80222... Also, they're not free, so make offers.. Doing my part to save old stuff, Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

25 years, 4 months

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OT: Re: E11 / Windows ME question

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 11:04 PM 2/14/01 -0800, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: >3) Once again, we were JOKING about that animation as: >a) producing animation for every bit Sorry, I didn't catch the sarcasm. While we're on the topic of animation in OSes and apps, perhaps we should switch to the talking, dancing paper clip. >That still does not address why an OPERATING SYSTEM would EVER need to >"compile code" that uses float! Certainly many aps might need float. But >what POSSIBLE legitimate reason would there ever be for an OS to need or >use floating point? Can anyone name any variable in an OS that should be >float? Or are you actually saying that the FPU requirement is NOT for the >OS at all, but that the OS is doing that for the sake of some aps? I doubt this discussion has been heard within the halls of Microsoft for more than a decade, so I guess it's on-topic. I see your point, particularly from a classic standpoint... an OS is considered the part that runs apps and manages resources, not drawing pretty pictures. But it's like arguing that Linux isn't an OS, it's a kernel and a bunch of GNU apps wrapped in a distribution. Win 9x doesn't really exist without the bundle of everything else. Could it be written without floats? As an exercise. It would be more fun to argue that DOS and Win 9x aren't really OSes. :-) I'm sure they didn't want to scare the bejesus out of the first wet-behind-the-ears CS grad who attempted to use "float" in their C program and got a link error. So where might floats be? In graphics code, particularly sloppy graphics code. But these days the OS includes OpenGL and DirectX, too, which have floats galore. In user-friendly code that showed percentages for completion or resources consumed. And then there's scads of apps like "Calc.exe", the calculator app. >Any reason why I couldn't create a glacially slow machine running it on a >386SX? Uhm, it would be glacially slow? :-) And Intel / Microsoft cabal doesn't want you to even try. - John

25 years, 4 months

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> >Linux is a big heap of bloat. It seems every UNIX is, too. >My definition of light-weight is floppy-based, sub-4 MB. For PCs that leaves a few things like BeOS, Minix, DOS, ConcurrentDOS, CCPM and not much else. Allison

25 years, 4 months

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by phil＠ultimate.com

> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:33:54 -0600 > From: Tom Uban <uban(a)ubanproductions.com> > > I think that not being able to access greater than 2GB makes it difficult > to setup a large disk, even if you are keeping the individual partitions > to less than 2GB. I don't know the exact details, but the version of SunOS > that I had just wouldn't do it. Maybe there was a patch or update which > would have fixed the problem as you describe. Well as I said. I'm typing this on a system with a 4GB disk, and recently retired a client's system that had a 9GB disk. I'm running stock 4.1.4 (well, the non-stock parts are not Sun supplied-- I have some Stanford patched modules that support multicast, and more importantly to me, BPF. I also have ip_fil filters, which replaced some IP files as well). -phil

25 years, 4 months

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California Scientific Systems

by forslund＠tbaytel3.tbaytel.net

Hi, I found a California Scientific Systems computer, but have no idea what it is. It has dual 5 1/4" floppy drives in the front, and that's all i know about it. I'm thinking of purchasing it, but would like to know a little more about it - processor? ram? etc. I searched the web, but no hits. Anyone ever heard of this one or have any information? Thanks and enjoy, Bob

25 years, 4 months

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E11 / Windows ME question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, this is sort of on/off-topic, but..... Out of curiousity, has anyone run E11 (PDP-11 Emulator) on Windows ME? Are there any compatibility issues between Win98 and WinME? I just got my wife a low-end Thinkpad and am wanting to be able to run E11 on it. Zane

25 years, 4 months

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NT5

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

> > Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:06:08 -0800 (PST) > From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > Subject: Re: E11 / Windows ME question > > > "Windows 2000" was a renaming of "NT 5". > Did the non x86 versions of NT survive? Nope. W2K didn't make it past Beta 2 and NT doesn't make it past SP6....for Alpha anyway; the others were well gone. -- Adrian Graham MCSE/ASE/MCP C CAT Limited Gubbins: http://www.ccat.co.uk (work) <http://www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk> (home) <http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (The Online Computer Museum) 0/0

25 years, 4 months

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E11 / Windows ME question

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:06 PM 2/14/01 -0800, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: >At one point, "CE" was "Consumer Electronics"! Did it change? Yes, I think they started denying it stood for anything at all. >BTW, "98" will REFUSE to install unless there is a math coprocessor! >What possible reasons could there be for an OS to need floating >point?????? An OS or an OS that comes with a slew of applications? - John

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OT: Re: E11 / Windows ME question

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 07:25 AM 2/15/01 -0800, you wrote: >I can't attest as to why the FPU is required, but the animation you see >when doing a file copy is just a very small, looped AVI file. No >"trajectory" calculation is going on at all. Just all the DLLs for an AVI player. :-) I feel better now. - John

25 years, 4 months

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by jrasite＠eoni.com

This may be off-topic, but are there any SPARCstation users on the list? I just came into one with a missing hard drive and am looking for O/S information to make it live again. If it is O/T, please p-mail me. <mailto:jrasite@eoni.com> Jim

25 years, 4 months

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Tosh 420CDT Thanx

by jpl15＠panix.com

A very-much-appreciated "Thank You!" to all the list members who reponded to my 'fried laptop' post a while back. I have located the docs, found the correct SMPSU voltage (15VDC/30W) and found a source for the PSU, the Mobo, and batteries. Also I found a 10GB drive that may fit it. 1.3GB is Just Too Small... whodathunkit???? Anywway, thanks again, even though the machine ain't quite 10 yet... Cheerz John

25 years, 4 months

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Everybody talking about SUNs - I never had one...I never tried one...who wil find/trade me one?

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi Suns, suns, suns...I never had one, I never tried one. Not too common around here in Quebec. Seem plentyfull in the US.... I would be willing to trade for one...something not too old I can still play around with... I would rather trade for one because this could help me with my space problem...and not make it worst... I enjoy trading, if you have seen my posts before, I never ask for money for stuff I offer...I give it away or trade...my personnal policy... I have a ton of stuff...mostly micros and periphs 197x-198x early 1990s but lots of other stuff...ask... Dont suggest ebay....I dont use ebay to buy or sell...another personnal "policy"... Claude Canuk Computer Collector http://computer_collector.tripod.com

25 years, 4 months

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E11 / Windows ME question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> > We have various software, such as teleprompters and similar >TV-studio related items, that we have to keep W95/98 machines for as >they absolutely will not work under NT. Another big one I've found I have very few things that I can say didnt' run under NT4, and they didnt run under w95 either. The best example of that is Paradox4.5/dos! The only hicup that has is print spooling which works poorly under both NT and W9x. Gcadd6.1/dos, Microcadd and Quickbasic4.5/dos, work fine. Biggest problem with old dos and W3.1x programs is the installs dont always work quite right. Other than that I run dos and W9x programs under NT4/sp4 using NTFS and FAT partitions with little to no difficulty. >are database applications based on Foxbase under DOS. Nothing >special as far as I/O there, but they throw a fit when run under NT >while custom databases I've coded under PowerBasic run fine and >PowerBasic hasn't been updated in 10-11 years. When running dos under NT it's not a bad thing to setup paths and PIFs as well as the NT dos emulation box. I may add that programs that are locked to 8.3 (most dos and w3.1 stuff) will get real upset with long filenames and directories take care. Also there are a few that dont seem to like NTFS or worse HPFS{there are three choices, FAT16, NTFS and HPFS}. Running NT3.51 or NT4 below SP4 is not good either. Allison

25 years, 4 months

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> >>For PCs that leaves a few things like BeOS, Minix, DOS, >>ConcurrentDOS, CCPM and not much else. > > BeOS floppy based? The versions I've seen had larger >requirements than floppies and 4MB RAM. The mention of ConcurrentDOS I didn't mean to imply they were floppy based only smaller footprint on disk and ram. I've run ConcurrentDOS-386 in 4mb as a multiuser box save for some of the programs (not the dos) wanted large tracts of ram. Minix can be run from floppy, or the full package fit in some 40mb and on a 386 with 4mb it's pretty interesting. However it's a research non-GUI OS so things like networking are not as pretty. Allison

25 years, 4 months

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E11 / Windows ME question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> >Nevertheless, why unnecessarily slow down routine operations? It's code bloat, artifact of oject oriented programming. >> W95 will run on 386sx/16... I've done it. >I've been meaning to play with that. How much RAM do you need? The minimum is 4mb but 8 is about the minimum useful. I have a printserver (w95, 120mb disk and 486dx/33) that is able as minimum as can be useful. >Was it as slow as expected? It was slow but, If anything it was faster than I'd have expected. >An associate (business tenant) wanted to use "HyperTerminal" for logging >data from some lab equipment onto a 486 Compaq. When 98 REFUSED to >install, I installed 95 without any problems. I wasn't strongly motivated >to try anything serious to get 98 onto it. Actually there is 98lite {downloadable} which is a program that does a scripted install of W98 plus a few things from W95. the result can be a very small footprint and with some of the msisms (IE and outlook express crap) omitted fairly fast. W9x is a useable OS, so long as you acknowledge that it's like dos in it's lack of protections for the filesystem or the kernel. Works ok with well behaved programs, stinks otherwise. Also it likes ram 16mb for running stuff like netscape or IE and 32mb isn't bad. My $.0002 is that NT3.51 sp4 or NT4 SP4 is a better OS than W9x. I dont think Linux is better only faster evolving. Of all the PC unix clones FreeBSD seems the most solid and least bloated at least as a server. Allison > >-- >Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com >

25 years, 4 months

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>> ... any SPARCstation users ... looking >> for O/S information to make it live again. >> >> If it is O/T, please p-mail me. <mailto:jrasite@eoni.com> >> >> Jim > >... You can run up to either Solaris >2.6 or 7 on it.... > > Zane NeXTStep 3.3 or 4.x also had versions which ran on Sparc hardware. - Mark

25 years, 4 months

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E11 / Windows ME question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> > > A lot of things broke going between '95/98 and NT and now No surprize as NT is very different model and kernel from W9x. Then again the only stuff that I've found that broke is apps that wanted to twiddle IO directly. Thats a NoNo for a protected mode kernel. >we're finding problems testing stuff under 2000 as well. Thankfully >we only have a handful of 2000 machines. Oh yes, and now MS has I havent played with W2000 but I"ve heard its ok save for games run lousy. >'fixed' the Mac version of Outlook so that it is 'compatible' with >the viruses for the Windows version! Needless to say, I'm the only >one in the building running the Outlook 2001 Beta and that's just for >testing purposes. Outlook in all it's forms along with IE4.+ are breeding media for virus. Someone once asked me what Outlook was and I said, development shell for ill behaved apps. Allison

25 years, 4 months

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E11 / Windows ME question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> >Windows ME runs on a whole slew of processors, such as the ARM or Hitachi SH- >4, whereas Windows 9x only runs on Intels. I think binary compatibility is >expecting too much. Your confusing ME with CE. ME is the same kernal as win95/win98/win98sr2. Allison

25 years, 4 months

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by phil＠ultimate.com

> From: Tom Uban <uban(a)ubanproductions.com> > > The older SunOS system runs very well on this, but condider that if you > need to use a "modern" hard drive, you will be limited to about 2GB (I think) > if you use one of the older OS's. That is why I went to NetBSD, it has kept > up with the latest hardware... There may be firmware limitations on the location of the root filesystem, depending on the SCSI commands used by the boot PROM. I think you're correct that (in stock SunOS4) PARTITIONS cannot exceed 2GB, but I'm happily runing a 4GB disk (largest partition is 1.6G), and I've seen 9GB disks on SunOS4 systems. You may not be able to do absolute seeks to the 'c' partition with disk larger than 2G, but that's never caused me any problems. I think there was also a "disksuite" add-on, to handle large disks more gracefully, but it's not needed. -phil

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Dejanews

by jruschme＠mac.com

>Date: 13 Feb 01 04:21:06 +0100 >From: "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> >Subject: Re: Dejanews > >Julian Richardson skrev: > >>OK, what on earth happened to the Dejanews archive? Seems like they've been >>taken over by Google (leading us one step closer to a single corporation >>controlling the entire world, no doubt! :-) > >At least that's a step in the right direction. Google are actually providing a >good, clean service, whereas the big players such as Altavista and Deja(News) >have turned into Yahoo-esque media conglomerates offering everything but a >search engine. Perhaps will this mean that one won't have to wade through >tonnes of ads and unasked for services on Deja in the future? Even better, they are going to be reinstating the dejaNews archives back to 1995. Now if someone would just find a way to incorporate the old Usenet on CD archives and, perhaps, take donations of single articles that people may have archived personally. <<<john>>>

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Dejanews

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

> Even better, they are going to be reinstating the dejaNews archives > back to 1995. yep, that is good. I've got a bunch of news postings from 93/94/95 that I lost local copies of, so hopefully I'll be able to get a few of the follow-ups to those back at least. > Now if someone would just find a way to incorporate the old Usenet on > CD archives and, perhaps, take donations of single articles that > people may have archived personally. well, they reckon their archive is about 1TB - I wonder how much space all the useful stuff would take up? Less than 100GB surely (I could probably manage to free up enough for that - not sure how I'd make it available to everyone else though) hopefully there'll be a way to hook up to site automatically and write a client-side app to pull stuff off the site... Jules --

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E11 / Windows ME question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> >A friend told me off-list that when copying a file, there is a graphic >icon of each bit being moved. He suggested that the floating point was That explains whay it's so slow. >BTW, 95 will install on the same machine without the FPU (486SX). W95 will run on 386sx/16... I've done it. W98 can be faked on to a non FPU cpu but it's not pretty. >Which apps, etc. are different? Or did MICROS~1 simply do the FPU >requirement to reduce the number of performance complaints about their >apps? Beats me, I'm running it(both 98 and ME) at work as an upgrade from w95, all the stuff we used to run still does and Autocad2000 was happy. Allison

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by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/14/01 12:35:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, phil(a)ultimate.com writes: > > Since this is a retro list, let's not forget Solaris 1 (aka SunOS 4). > I'm typing this now on a Sun type 3, connected to an IPX running 4.1.4. > > But I'll confess, I'm willing to deal with having to tweak builds on > occasion, since SunOS4 is hardly mainstream any more. > > -phil > > I have a question that belongs on this list for sure.. Is it possible and legal to obtain a copy of an old version of SunOS or Solaris to run on these old machines? My personal opinion is that NetBSD or Linux would run better on them, but for historical interest it might be nice to have one running an old Solaris as well. -Linc.

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by phil＠ultimate.com

> From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:45:20 -0800 (PST) > Probably pretty close to being on topic. You can run up to either Solaris > 2.6 or 7 on it. Max RAM is 64MB, or 96/128MB with special S-Bus and > piggyback cards (32MB each). Uses Narrow SCSI. I'd recommend checking out > OpenBSD or NetBSD for it. It's old and slow so a lightweight OS helps. Since this is a retro list, let's not forget Solaris 1 (aka SunOS 4). I'm typing this now on a Sun type 3, connected to an IPX running 4.1.4. But I'll confess, I'm willing to deal with having to tweak builds on occasion, since SunOS4 is hardly mainstream any more. -phil

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by fmc＠reanimators.org

Tom Uban <uban(a)ubanproductions.com> wrote: > The older SunOS system runs very well on this, but condider that if you > need to use a "modern" hard drive, you will be limited to about 2GB (I think) > if you use one of the older OS's. That is why I went to NetBSD, it has kept > up with the latest hardware... Vague recollections: SunOS 4.1.1 can't handle disks larger than ~1GB. SunOS 4.1.4 can't handle filesystems larger than 2GB, but can put more than one of them on a larger disk. -Frank McConnell

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 14, 12:58, LFessen106(a)aol.com wrote: > I have a question that belongs on this list for sure.. Is it possible and > legal to obtain a copy of an old version of SunOS or Solaris to run on these > old machines? My personal opinion is that NetBSD or Linux would run better > on them, but for historical interest it might be nice to have one running an > old Solaris as well. For a while, Sun had a webpage from which you could obtain Solaris 7 (or was it 6?) free, and last time I looked it was possible to obtain Solaris 8 similarly (but that won't run on the older architectures). I'm sure it's been mentioned here before; look in the list archives. I'd try asking on comp.sys.sun et al for a copy. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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C64 question

by archer＠topnow.com

Okay, I picked up quite a haul for $20: * Commodore 64 in almost-new looking condition, original box * 1541 Disk drive, in original box (but no disk drive manual :( * 1525 Printer, in box * Programmer's Reference Guide * User's Guide * Assorted software and disks * VicModem * Two joysticks * All cables Anyways, hooked it up, wrote a few BASIC programs, ran a couple of the programs supplied, cool. Now the question is, where on earth will I find some key programs -- mostly games (after all, games were its specialty!) but I REALLY want a 6502 assembler like Merlin, and to find connectors to fit the cartridge slot to hang some custom hardware off of and develop driver code for. I'll be careful. :) And if I find it somewhere on the 'net, how to get it into the C64? Has anyone solved that one? I know it's got an RS232 port, so perhaps I could write a small BASIC program to bootstrap in the program at low speed and develop something like an Xmodem download with the downloaded assembler. Just wondering if anyone has a better way to get software from 'net to C64, and knows a good source for same. Maybe a cave full of cartridges like the Atari has exists out there... :) -- Ross

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E11 / Windows ME question

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:53:25 -0800 Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> writes: > Nope, you are confusing Windows "CE" with Windows "ME" (what a > difference a letter makes), the "CE" aka "Compact Edition" runs on a > variety of processors, the "ME" aks "Millenium Edition" runs only on x86 > architectures. Then there is Windows "NT" which ran on x86, PowerPC, > and Alpha, and "Windows 2K" which runs only on x86 again. Note you can > buy all four of these operating systems from Microsoft today, confused yet? Yeah, and you can get all four in one package. Just ask for: Windows CEMeNT 2000 SOrry guys, I just couldn't resist . . . -- Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 14, LFessen106(a)aol.com wrote: > I have a question that belongs on this list for sure.. Is it possible and > legal to obtain a copy of an old version of SunOS or Solaris to run on these > old machines? My personal opinion is that NetBSD or Linux would run better > on them, but for historical interest it might be nice to have one running an > old Solaris as well. Nope. There are too many of these "old" machines (some running older releases of either OS) still running in production at lots of installations. -Dave McGuire

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by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/13/01 6:51:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, jrasite(a)eoni.com writes: > This may be off-topic, but are there any SPARCstation users on the > list? I just came into one with a missing hard drive and am looking > for O/S information to make it live again. > > If it is O/T, please p-mail me. <mailto:jrasite@eoni.com> > > Jim > I have one, and a few other Sparcstations as well. They use standard scsi drives although I would use a smaller capacity drive to avoid the extra heat generated by a large capacity drive. I have run OpenBSD, Solaris 7, and Linux on these. I much prefer Linux on them. NetBSD might be pretty good as well although I haven't had the time to check that one out yet. -Linc.

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 13, 15:37, Jim Arnott wrote: > This may be off-topic, but are there any SPARCstation users on the > list? I just came into one with a missing hard drive and am looking > for O/S information to make it live again. I've got a Sparcstation 1+ which came diskless, and I worked out how to set up a hard drive for it (it now has one internal and one external running Soalris 2.3). If you can find a compatible SCSI CD-ROM drive (must be able to be set to 512-byte blocks, like a Toshiba or Plextor) and Solaris media (pre Solaris 8 for that architecture) it's easy to set up. Otherwise, try Linux or BSD. I can't offer much help over the next week or so as I'll be out of email range :-( but happy to help when I get back. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Prototype HP stuff

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hmm, that HP 85 reminds me of my oscilliscope (yes I know I cannot spell that word unless I'm looking at the instrument), which is an HP 140A. The 'scope isn't a prototype, but one of the plugins has no serial number and is inscribed "lab proto #3"... interesting, isn't it? Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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E11 / Windows ME question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >OK, this is sort of on/off-topic, but..... > >Out of curiousity, has anyone run E11 (PDP-11 Emulator) on Windows ME? Are >there any compatibility issues between Win98 and WinME? I just got my wife >a low-end Thinkpad and am wanting to be able to run E11 on it. > > Zane WinME is W98 call it V3. It's MSs was of hiding the fact that they continued W98 two version past ehn they said it would end... Allison

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Holy Crap! IMSAI's weren't this expensive when new!

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I think I'd trade a SOL, an Altair, and an IMSAI for a System/38 or System/34.. Hell even for an AS/400 with a complete copy of the OS.. Not that I have any of those 3 machines; If I did, I'm sure Bob could use another SOL and other list members could use an Altair or an IMSAI.. I certainly have no real place for them.. Somewhat unrelated to minicomputers. BTW, Bob, plese e-mail me, I have a SOL-related article for you. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Holy Crap! IMSAI's weren't this expensive when new!

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Mark is entirely correct on this one.. I must say that, since I own 7 AS/400's, not ever getting the OS with them tends to make me a little frustrated! I do have an OS/400 upgrade tape for version 2 something to version 2 something else, but since I don't have the version you apply the upgrade to... I also have 2 MULIC tapes (Model Unique Licensed Internal Code), which I know are required for the OS, and are processor-specific. Note that I am speaking only for CISC machines. Oddly, one of the things that was with the machines was an IBM license document, I don't know what it was for exactly, but it essentially says you can't sell the program but you can give it to someone, so long as you destroy/give them all your copies, yadda yadda yadda. And technically speaking, I wasn't entirely serious about trading those 3 for any of those machines, I'd rather offer them to this list.. The worst thing about the Altair, etc. for me at least, would be that it would come down to a debate between the fact that I need the money and the fact that I'd rather people who are going to appreciate the machines have them, and naturally, it's quite possible that cash could be maximized by selling to someone who would minimize the use, etc. of the machine.. But if anyone ever sees any AS/400 software show up at auctions, regardless of model, BUY IT and I will gladly reimburse you.. I'd also be especially happy if someone found IBM 4300 software for me, especially VM/SP release 5 or 6, or MVS (OS/VS2), or AIX/370.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Quest for Apple II Red Book

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: I want to begin my quest for a copy of the Apple II "Red Book." If anyone has a copy and can tell me if it has an ISBN number on it, and what that number is, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini ClubWin! Group 1 Collector of Classic Computers Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /*****************************************/

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Holy Crap! IMSAI's weren't this expensive when new!

by vcf＠siconic.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1207448449 $5,100 was the final bid. I wonder if it was actually consumated? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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(fwd) ALL Electric Components (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

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