>You wouldn't see change over night, but within a year (probably less)
>reports would come out of people finding and fixing numerous major bugs in
>all sorts of MS offerings, the first probably being the MS kernel. Bugs
>that MS staff either wouldn't acknowledge were there or probably didn't
>KNOW were there.
>
>And who the hell needs managers to code anyway? Pfah!
>
>Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
>Festival
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>http://www.vintage.org
>
Oh yeah... That would work out. Hundreds of freelance developers working
independently with no coordinated (managed) efforts.
Steve Robertson
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On 2001-03-06 classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org said:
>>What would you suggest is the foremost reason for
>>"seeing" them?
>Well in my case, I find them pleasing to look at. I
>like seeing, and being able to touch, systems that I
>have heard about or know about, butI do not own.
That sounds very much like an individual seeking out
autographs in person from celebrities. I don't sense
anything particularly educational about that type of
experience with computers.
>>Would you suppose that there are other causes even
>>more significant than encouraging computers as a hobby
>>through museum displays?
>Of course, but that doesn't mean that there's anything
>wrong with it.
Neither did I say there was. I asked whether you might
suggest "other causes even more significant" than a personal
hobby.
>>>The Computer Museum History Center located at
>>>Moffett Airfield.
>>Is there a URL for it?
>http://www.computerhistory.org/
Thank you!
Jerry... on his IBM PC/AT 5170 Model 339 | My laptop computer's a
***** 9600kbps/30MB HD/512k RAM/8 MHz | Tandy TRS-80 Model 100
Net-Tamer V 1.11.2X - Registered
Hello Everyone,
I am not really sure what kinds or types of computers are represented
here. I have an Apple //e, an IBM Model 80 with Reply Powerboard, a
Unisys 486 server, an IBM XT, my main Pentium based system (socket7) and
various other PCs that need work. I sort of assume that many people
here have much larger computers and older computers than myself.... how
true is that?
I am looking to thin my collection..... and and to it :-) I may be
getting a PDP11/53 ..... probably my first "real" computer by some
standards :-)
I am looking to get rid of a Texas Instruments Professional Computer (TI
PC) immediately if anyone is interested. It is in great shape, but
unfortunately needs a proprietary keyboard, and I don't know what
exactly for a monitor. It also used a custom version of Microsoft DOS,
that I don't have.... it won't boot from a regular DOS boot disk. It
has two 360K full height floppy drives, and no HD.
It will cost only the price of shipping, plus maybe a little extra, if I
have to buy more bubble wrap, or a box, or whatever.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
The last couple weeks have been a little slim but I got the following
items:
A Mac IIvi (needs work damaged in shipping) been looking for one of
these for a long time.
A Mac Plus with lots of extras donated by a nice older lady. Has a
trackball called Quad LYNX by Honeywell, a pretty odd looking item. A
fan unit called 'cool-it' also odd looking. And several other items,
books, software and mics came with it.
A Mac TAM, I know not 10 years yet but I'm looking for a couple items to
make it a complete unit. Does anyone have a original CD case and TV
Antenna that came with it ? I'm also looking for the original boxes
that the TAM and it's parts came in, this seller had tossed them long
ago.
Mac Performa 476 needs some work.
A U.K. Sinclair Microvision battery charger.
A Commodore model 1802 monitor.
Apple IIe joystick.
Several unique mousepads and coffee cups.
Radio Electronics MAR 1986 issue with a really good article on personal
robots and robotics. They compare 20 different robots, all the HERO
models, Maxx Steele, XR, Scorpion, and others. I also picked up 9 other
issues at 25 cents each.
Something called a HEARSAY 100 no other information written on the item.
Anyone know something about it ?.
Lots of Sega 16-Bit cartridges at 60 cents each.
Some IBM AIX 4.3 cd's for $2.80 each.
Hero 2000 disk manual.
AMDEK Color-I monitor works great.
A digital DECmate model VT278-AH and the rolling ROX02 8" drive unit,
cables and manuals.
I will stop as the list is too long and alot the items do not meet the
10 year rule.
Keep on computing
John Keys
Yes, bad practice to follow-up your own posts, but I should have mentioned
that Craig Dewick keeps an archive of Sun boot ROMs at
http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick/data/bootroms.html
which has saved my skin at least once. And on the subject of permissions,
I know that several companies have consented to letting the BBC site
provide images of software that hasn't been available for retail sale or as
official spares for years, and only one or two have ever objected. One of
the Sun sites that holds images had a note saying the owner had never got
permission, but if anyone from Sun objected he'd remove them (a site for
Motorola stuff had a similar notice) but the notice has gone so presumably
no-one ever did.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
FYI
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Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:55:21 -0600
From: James Thornton <james(a)unifiedmind.com>
To: doug(a)blinkenlights.com
Subject: Blinkenlights Posters
Your organization might find interesting this 24x36 inch blinkenlights
poster:
http://jamesthornton.com/blinkenlights.html
James Thornton
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--> http://www.jamesthornton.com/nexuswatch/20001018.html
On Mar 9, 11:40, Iggy Drougge wrote:
> Since I've got myself a pretty little EPROM burner, and seem to have a
lot of
> ROMs and ROM sockets around, I thought that it should be worthwhile to
create
> a central repository for all those ROMs which are so difficult to get
> nowadays. Is this a good idea, or has somebody already done it?
I agree, it's a very good idea, so good in fact, that it's been done :-)
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/Roms/
Which reminds me that I promised Steve to send my collection. There's also
a site for Acorn/BBC Micro/Archimedes ROMs at
http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/rom/
and there's one for Commodore ROMs though I've misplaced the URL, and some
Exidy Sorcerer images at
http://www.trailingedge.com/exidy/
I started collecting ROM images about 15 years ago, when additional
"sideways ROM" software for BBC Micros was in vogue. For those who don't
know, that machine had sockets for four ROMs, typically filing systems
(disk, net, teletext, etc), languages (BASIC, Pascal, Forth, ...), or
utilities/applications (terminal emulators by the dozen, word processors,
spreadsheets, ...) which shared the same address space and were mapped in
and out by the O.S. Actually, the O.S. supported 16 sideways ROMs but you
needed extra hardware to fit that many. Anyway, at that time I repaired
lots of BBC machines, and a common(ish) problem was that people swapped
ROMs around when they had more ROMs than sockets, and inevitably broke a
pin or plugged one in backewards from time to time. Since in most cases
the only official way to replace one was to pay the full price for the
software, I (and others) made a habit of copying any ROMs we came across,
in order to be able to blow replacement EPROMs for a more cost-effective
repair later. I must have megabytes of the stuff here.
I kept this up when I started collecting other machines, and I have quite a
number of DEC ROM images (a very few of which are at
http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/) and some Exidy Sorcerer ones,
along with Apple, PET, Sirius, etc images. Even a couple from car engine
management systems! Sadly I didn't copy my original Exidy WP or DevPac
ROMs (anybody able to give me a copy?) and I've not always had the right
equipment to read some TTL PROMs, so my collection of images isn't complete
even with respect to the machines I own.
I also think it's worthwhile keeping images (or JEDEC files) for PALs where
possible, but I don't have a PAL programmer of my own so I've not got round
to doing that.
If anyone needs a ROM image to make a repair, and they think I might have
it, I'm happy to provide it.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
I figured this would be of interest to people here, especially with a good
rundown of where to go and what to get. Timothy Stark has released his
TS10 Emulator which emulates a DEC KS-10 and will at least run TOPS-10
V7.03.
Emulator (in CVS):
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ts10/
Software:
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/
Here is some info from Timothy Stark on the tapes:
> Well, you need a listing of packages to install TOPS-10 v7.03 system on
> my TS10 emulator.
> BB-X138B-BB KS Bootable TOPS-10 v7.03 tape
> BB-X140B-SB TOPS-10 v7.03 Monitor sources
> BB-X128B-SB TOPS-10 v7.03 w/sources #1
> BB-FP63A-SB TOPS-10 v7.03 w/sources #2
> BB-FP64A-SB TOPS-10 v7.03 Tools w/sources
> BB-X130B-SB CUSP w/sources
> They are in .TAP files that you can get them from Tim's archive. I thank
> to Tim Shoppa for makeing .tap files on your archives.
> To boot TOPS-10 operating system. You need KS10 Bootable tape first
> (BB-X138B-BB) and type 'boot mta0:' to load and run BOOTM program.
> Then, type '/tm02' to execute it. It will load and run Monitor.
> Following instructions that Monitor ask you for. First time, use
> 'DESTROY' to initialize emulated RP06 disk file. When you answer
> 'Y' to start system up, you should see a dot prompt.
> I will write installation how to install other tapes into system.
TOPS-10 Operators Guide:
http://www.36bit.org/dec/manual/
So far everyones experience is showing that you need an x86 box running
Linux to run this (and not every version of Linux). Work is going on to
get this running on other OS's right now.
Right now there is no installation guide for installing TOPS-10 v7.0x.
Zane
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| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| and Zane's Computer Museum. |
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Please reply to original sender.
Reply-to: BVallone(a)APTEGRITY.com
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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:11:51 -0500
From: "Vallone, Brett" <BVallone(a)APTEGRITY.com>
Subject: commodore 64 donation
Hi. I have a Commodore 64 set-up (ps, manuals, monitor, 1541 drive, Epson
printer, programming manual) in fine working condition that I have no use
for, and it would be sacrilegious to just throw it away. I am trying
desperately to avoid that.
Thanks.
Brett Vallone
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>And why is everyone so afraid of giving the newbie a Mac?
The problem with the Mac is the perceived lack of support for them,
whether in places to purchase software/hardware or to which to take one if
it breaks for repair. What does the newbie see in television and print ads?
Intel, Gateway, Dell. Regardless of the merits of alternatives to these,
the first thing a newbie is going to do is ask for that Pentium 4 processor
that they see all the advertisements for. Apple has some cool ads being
aired, but they aren't being shown enough. The newbie won't think much
about a Mac because they haven't seen the ads, haven't seen them in the
stores, haven't seen the magazines from which to get information. In thier
mind, they won't consider themn because they see them as not being
accessible enough. It certainly hasn't helped that Apple lost it's foothold
in the education market. Apple needs to get thier ads out in peoples faces
for a start and then work on getting them sold in places other than CompUSA
and a handful of hardcore Apple dealers. It's basically the same problem
that the Amiga had most of it's exisitence.
Jeff
>My sister sees the cheap price, nice looks and uses one at school. So
>she's trading in her beat-up P75 for an iMac DV.
>
>The death of Apple is greatly exaggerated.
Suits me fine since my main machines, both at home and work, are Mac's.
For home users, they are basically the only alternative to the Intel/Windows
group and it'd be a dark day if that last option was to disappear.
Regardless of the industry, alternatives and options are a good thing.
Jeff
This is somewhere in the Phoenix/Tucson/Flagstaff area. :-)
- John
-----------------
Here is a fairly complete list of the old computer stuff that we have which is available to the highest bid.
We are a non-profit 501 (c)(3) educational institution, we have
just obtained a old elementary school which was being used by
the school district to store old things from every school, so
there is a large variety of things. We don’t know their condition
exactly, or whether they work. Sold in “as is” condition and you
pay the shipping (or come get them). We really need a roof -
would trade the whole lot to a roofer for a roof, or piece it
out to whom ever would love it.
**If you are in the USA your contribution would be tax-deductible!
If you have questions or comments call us at: (520) 432-4200
or e-mail fnweird(a)earthlink.net .
Thankx! Carmen & Bob Bryant
APPLE :
Apple IIc - (no Monitors; a white box with key board) [seven units]
Apple 51/4 external Floppy drives Model “Disk II” [eight units]
Apple (small) keybords [five]
Apple Unidisk [one]
Apple Numeric Key Pad IIe [one]
CompuAdd Computer [one]
Apple Monitor III [five]
Apple II Plus (no monitor) [one]
Apple Monitors [four]
Apple Graphics tablets large 16" x 16" Model A2M0029 [three]
COMMODORE
Comm. PET Model 4016 [one]
Comm. Single Floppy (5 1/4) Drive Model 1541 [two]
Comm. 4023 Printers [eleven]
Comm. 4022 Printer [two]
Comm. (5 1/4) floppy Extern. Drive Model 2031LP [five]
Comm. Super PET SP9000 (with monitor attached) [seven]
Comm PET Model 4032 (with monitor) [five]
Comm. CBM Model 8032 [two]
Comm. CBM Dual Floppy Model 8050 [two]
Comm. Dual Drive Floppy [one]
Comm. Single Drive Floppy (5 1/4) Model 2031 [one]
Comm. 64 Keyboard [four]
Comm. Cassette Plug-in “Datasette” [three]
Comm. Cassette “C2N” [one]
Comm. Tractor Printer Model 4022 [one[
Other :
Panasonic Printers KX-P1080i And KX - P1091 [one of each]
IBM Transcriber Model 172 [four]
Ventel Model 1200-1 [three]
Sanyo Memo Scriber (with cassette built in) [four]
Monitors:
IBM Mon. Model 8513001 [one]
Leading Edge Mon. Model DR-1240 [three]
also Leading Edge Keyboard [one]
CTX Color Monitor 14" Model CVP5468A [one]
Amdek Video-300 Mon. [one]
Citizen Mon. [one]
Zenith Data Systems Mon. Model ZVM 121 [one]
other keyboards:
Zenith Data Systems [four]
Wyse Key. [one]
unknown brands [three]
RADIO SHACK
TRS-80 Model III 48 K RAM (Monitor built in, with cassettee hook up in back) [seven]
TRS-80 Model 4 Microcomputer 64 K (monitor built in and cassette plug in) [seven]
** some of these have built in smoky glass filter attached to front
TRS-80 64K Keyboard [ten]
“ ” “ Mini Disk Drive [one]
TRS-80 DMP 200 Printer [one]
“ ” Video Display (1979) [one]
“ ” DWP-210 Daisy Wheel Printer [one]
Tandy 1000sx (Dual floppy, no mon.) [six]
“ ” Not working/parts gone [two]
Tandy 64 K Color Monitor [one]
Tandy Dot Matrix Printer DMP 430 [one]
Tandy Monitor VM-4 [one]
Tandy 190 Keyboard [one]
Other:
Heyer Model 93 Thermal Processor [one]
“Espirit” Computer by Hazeltine (PET look-alike) [one]
Viasyn Dual 5 1/4 Disk Drive [one]
BMC - 800 Model 20 (with monitor on stand) [two]
Epson computer Model Equality I+ (has single floppy ) with keyboard [one]
Viasyn Computer from Hayward CA. CompuPro System 8/16 Serial#068899 [one]
Racal-Milgo / OMXIMODE 96 [one]
IBM Type 4869 (made in Japan) 5 1/4 Floppy Drive [one]
Data Frame 20/Super Mac Technology (120v,60 Hz) box
with switch, male three prong plug; and two ports [one]
Power supply [one]
Texas Instruments Business System 300 Monitor [one]
3M Thermo Fax “The Secretary” Copier/Transper. Maker [two]
American Seating Masterboard for audio controls on large table w/two tapes/reels [one]
NCR Model 399 Console [one]
Zenthen & Aagaard (Copenhagen Denmark) Abdick 588 Stencil Maker
IBM Model 4226-320 Printer [one]
IBM 4226 Printer Ribbons [one]
ALSO-
Old DITTO and Mimeograph Machines and parts including paste ink pads [ten]
Type writers - Royal [newer X one; very old X five]
IBM Personal Wheelwriter2 [two]
IBM Quietwriter III Printer 5202 [one]
BMC electric [two]
IBM Selectric III [two]
Maxwell Pro/Indust. Videocassette U-Matic Still Frame Reproduction [twelve]
Texas Instruments Computer (large & Heavy ) Serial # 0550001424 [one]
Wollensak triple tape cassette duplicator Model 2772 [one]
Sony U-matic Model VO-2600 [one]
Tandy 1000 Personal Computer Keyboard [seven]
BOOKS
IBM Personal Computer Hardware Reference Library 3.0 BASIC
(Hard bound ringed binder in fiberboard case, wrapped, like new [twelve]
IBM Personal Computer Guide To Operations with floppy [twelve]
Tandy 1000sx Manual excellent condition [one]
Apple IIc “A Touch of Applesoft Basic” [five]
Apple “Getting Started With Your Apple II GS [fifteen]
Apple Color RGB Monitor Owners Manual (IIgs) [eight]
Apple 3.5 Drive Owner Guide [three]
Apple II GS Owner Reference [eight]
Appel Image Writer II Owner Manual [one]
Apple II GS System Drive Users Guide [one]
Apple II GS Owner Manual(in wrapper)
>>Don't get me wrong, I hate Microsoft as much as anyone else, but
fair dues
>>to them for trying to bring computers to the masses. In my opinion
they're
>>going about it in totally the wrong way though; don't throw
together a lot
>>of buggy, bloated software the looks nice and on the surface is
easy to use
>>- instead build a robust, logical product and provide good
documentation on
>>how to use it. Expect your users to have to actually *learn*
something in
>>order to harness its potential.
>
>Why does everyone spread this blatant lie? Microsoft have never
done anything
>to make computers easier! They were among the last to provide a
functioning
>GUI!
> What have MS ever done to make computers easier? Mimic Apple et
al?
When you put it like that, yes, I suppose. They just have better marketing
tactics (note I'm not saying I *like* those tactics!)
>Following a general trend has never been my definition of actively
working or
>contributing towards a goal.
Ahh, it's an embraced and extended following though ;-)
Thing is, for the average person who is new to computers (and maybe a little
wary of them) and doesn't want to actually learn anything about the tools
they're using, give them a bad system - like Windows - and a good one, like
Linux say, and they're going to get along easier with the windows box and
achieve their goal (whatever it may be) sooner. They won't necessarily have
the best solution (likely won't in fact) but they will have something that
satisfies them to the extent of their knowledge - which for most people is
good enough it seems.
Microsoft didn't have the vision or the initiative, no, but sadly they're
the company who is dominant in the current market. I really do hope that
changes (not least because I really don't get along with the idea of one
faceless entity controlling everything - don't even get me started on the UK
and Europe! :-P
cheers
Jules
From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net>
>
>They probably don't use disks. I know that older jets, like the F4
>Phantom... not sure about newer ones, used core memory.
The A6 intruders during the Veitnam era were serial based on
a fixed disk. It was part of the nav and targeting system and
not fly by wire.
Allison
Can someone E-mail me a Teledisk copy of the Diagnotics/Setup disk for
the IBM XT/286? The regular AT version will probably also work. I need it
ASAP.
Thanks,
Joe
I have a nearly new Pied Piper - may be in original box.
1.2Mbyte FDD.
It has been a long time since I have seen it in the warehouse (we
retired from the computer business after over 20 years - started in
1977)
Anyone willing to make me an offer on this one?
timdeaton(a)yahoo.com
Ewww, SCSI drives on a BI machine? Only stuff I use SCSI in is MicroVAXen
and lil bitty Alpha's... DSSI or SI is all I'd want for a BI machine...
Will J
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Cars and planes are computers
My cousin informs me that 60% of all non mechanical repairs on cars are
computer related. The car comes in and some gadget will not work, they try
swapping parts until it works or if unable to solve it swap the car's
computer. They don't have the expensive equipment that will simulate each
device and then test the circuit. The manufacturer's test the returned
parts and 40% turn out to be OK. Maybe that's why there are no more
"service stations" any more. I seem to remember that some legislator wanted
anybody who claimed to be a "service station" to offer service.
I know McDonnell-Douglas was testing the same thing for fighter planes.
Most of the time they swap boards. They have developed test benches that
test the boards. I remember that computers were swapped in the planes and
then off you go. How would you survive a disk crash? It's interesting that
were haven't yet heard of any computer virus problems with cars and planes.
Mike
mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu
From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
>> The two largest open source projects, Linux and Mozilla, both total
maybe
>>3-4 million lines of code. It's estimated that there are anywhere from
5 to
>>50 million lines of code in Windows.
>
>The way to fix windows ISN"T to play with the existing code, its to
"maybe"
>document the user interface and program API, then start from the best
>kernal model you can find for expected hardware and build on that. Wait
a
>minute, thats linux, never mind.
Having used of Caldara openlinux 2.3 I can sy they did a good job
getting closer to W9x in most ways bad.
W9x no matter what version and that includes WinME all suffer from
the same two basic problems in my book. The kernal is not well protected
>from buggy apps and the file system is not protected from buggy apps
crashing the kernal. The two things that NT and most of the unix clones
seem to have fairly correct.
Allison
>I know McDonnell-Douglas was testing the same thing for fighter planes.
>Most of the time they swap boards. They have developed test benches that
>test the boards. I remember that computers were swapped in the planes and
>then off you go. How would you survive a disk crash? It's interesting
>that were haven't yet heard of any computer virus problems with cars and
>planes.
It's a matter of economics. It's a LOT cheaper to swap the boards in the
field than to troubleshoot them. Just send the boards to DEPO where they are
better equiped (skills and tools) to do component level repair.
Steve
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I had a fun fleamarket run last weekend and for $17 total... First picked
up an unbuilt and complete Sinclair Black Watch Kit...
It was difficult retaining the drool while fishing out the $2... It's a
pretty little kit
http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/d/o/dogas/DW2.jpghttp://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/d/o/dogas/DW1.jpg (entire kit)
here's someone's jpg of the nonkit version that I found on the net
http://members.spree.com/mrcalc/photos/sinclair.jpg
There's a Sinclair ic (kx8508 Sinclair) that's got a datecode of '75 but I
dont remember ever seeing the watch advertised on this side-o-the-pond... I
guess kit's safe as long as my other LED holds out. ;)
Then I found a Video Toaster 4000 3.0/40 Amiga 2000 with a GVP scsi/hd, and
a few DPS (Digital Processing Systems) boards in it. It boots fine into
workbench and into toaster but I haven't hooked up any video sources to it
yet. It's wonderful to finally have Workbench on a harddisk.
I haven't found much on the DPS cards yet though... I useta use a DPS PAR
board in a pc with 3dstudio but I'm guessing these are tbc video
capture/player boards. Does anyone have info on the:
1. DPS, 743-860, PTF Rev 2
2. DPS-560, 743-800 WFV Rev 3
Thanks
- Mike
>Most of the time, all that's wrong with these is the lithium battery.
The
>package is actually a standard DIP IC package with some more epoxy on
top
>containing the batteries and the crystal (if appropriate).
>
>I've not tried it myself, but I am told you can cut away the top part of
>the device using (e.g.) a Dremel tool, remove the old batteries and put
a
>couple of cheap lithium cells in.
I've done it on dallas chips. I walk them to the machine shop and sand
off the
plastic slowly till I hit metal (battery). You can use a magnet to
locate the
battery.
Allison
> > Oh yeah... That would work out. Hundreds of freelance developers working
>independently with no coordinated (managed) efforts.
>
>Yeah, you're right. What was I thinking?
>
>Hey, Steve, ever heard of Linux?
>
>Duh.
>
>Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Hey Sellam, even heard of any Linux billionaires?
Duh.
Steve Robertson
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On 2001-03-07 classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <Tony Duell> said:
>Technology improved (?) and processors could clock faster.
>Therefore many of the tricks were no longer necessary, and fell out
>of use.
The 'new technology' allowed for faster speed *and* faster profits at
the expense of finer quality programming. The hallmark of fine
programming should be stability, efficiency and speed -- IN THAT ORDER.
The "tricks" should have been regarded as tried and true *techniques*
to be applied carefully to future programming practices. Unfortunately,
greed has prevailed up until now, and present computer technology is
in an inspirational, qualitative slump.
>The sort of education I was thinking about was now 'how computers
>really work'. Much of how a processor works, at least in general
>terms, is the same for a PDP11 or a PC. The difference is that the
>former is documented and understandable.
The folks responsible for what has happened with computer "under-
development" -- and those with the requisite resources capable of
turning around the poor quality of computer/software development --
are certainly well aware of what could be done with better computer
education and design. Their first and immediate concern for now
is business survival. This is where the focus of their energy lies.
They tell the public who might complain that they're just getting
what they've been demanding: more, sooner and faster; do so or die.
Should we give a drug addict more drugs to solve his problem? No!
The drugs should be banished, despite the painful withdrawal symptoms,
and the addict's life must be restructured.
The same fate lies before the computer industry. Until the 'addiction'
of speed is cured, more insanity and industrial degradation will
continue.
Jerry... on his IBM PC/AT 5170 Model 339 | My laptop computer's a
***** 9600kbps/30MB HD/512k RAM/8 MHz | Tandy TRS-80 Model 100
Net-Tamer V 1.11.2X - Registered
I picked up a Mac SE30 that someone was chucking. It has no keyboard or
mouse, but powers up and goes into MacOS. I'd like to find a keyboard and
mouse for this.
Also, when it booted, it seems to have some sort of password protection on
it. A small dialogue box came up that said "Please enter password for
Macinto". I don't know if the utility was called "Macinto", but it looks
like perhaps the title bar wasn't big enough to fully display "Macintosh".
At the very least, I'd like to be able to run OpenBSD on it...
I just inherited a new toy. An HP 735 192MB ram (2) 1GB drives and 20 in
monitor. I was all ready to play, but an important component is missing.
Does anyone know where I can get a keyboard for this beast without giving up
my first born. I really like him. Or a cheap PS/2 to HP-HIL adapter would
be even better.
Arnie
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> > And who the hell needs managers to code anyway? Pfah!
>
> You've never had to maintain code, have you?
>
> -spc (Let me tell you about hacker code ... it ain't pretty ... )
>
OK since MS is not likely to hand over their code. let's look at another
possibility that's not all that remote. Let's assume the LINUX overcomes
it's greatest weakness (consumer acceptance) and gets the lions share in the
OS market. In that situation who are the winners and who are the loosers?
Who would win and why?
Who would loose and why?
Would you be one of the winners or one of the loosers?
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>
> > And who the hell needs managers to code anyway? Pfah!
>
> You've never had to maintain code, have you?
>
> -spc (Let me tell you about hacker code ... it ain't pretty ... )
>
OK since MS is not likely to hand over their code. let's look at another
possibility that's not all that remote. Let's assume the LINUX overcomes
it's greatest weakness (consumer acceptance) and gets the lions share in the
OS market. In that situation who are the winners and who are the loosers?
Who would win and why?
Who would loose and why?
Would you be one of the winners or one of the loosers?
Steve Robertson
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On 2001-03-04 classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <Jeffrey S. Sharp> said:
Hi, Jeffrey --
If you are new to the list, that makes two of us. ;-)
>I don't know everyone's perspective on this issue, and it would be
>good to hear some alternate viewpoints. Basically, I am against
>people giving classic computers in working condition to museums.
>Instead, I believe that they should donate or sell their machines
>to enthusiasts who will play with them and learn things.
Let me add my opinion to your comments.
Perhaps there's a proper place for museums and a place for learning.
Museums should ideally have the at least a few of the best preserved
specimens of chosen categories, especially the rarer categories, in
both working and nonworking condition: working order for preservation;
nonworking for learning. Of course, any of us should be allowed to
have private collections for learning or whatever else -- but not the
liberty to deliberately destroy history that could be beneficial to
mankind.
We should remember, too, that there's another category of classic
computer usage, and that's the use of many older systems for
charitable purposes, of which there is certainly an abundance.
Instead of mindlessly destroying "obsolete" machines, in many cases,
older machines still have plenty of serviceable life left in them
for those who may not be able to easily afford anything "modern",
even if only for the purpose of learning.
With respect to learning from classic machines, I believe that it's
vital for us to consider what has lasted and what is still useful
with "old technology". My own handful of classic computers consists
of my first computer, a Sharp PC 4502 portable, an IBM PC/XT, an
IBM PC/AT, an IBM PS/1, and a Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100,
most of which I consider to be keystone system designs leading to
the present day mass production of Personal Computers. In examining
the "lessons" of old computers, I think it's important to distinguish
between what's necessary and what's not, what's wasteful and what's not.
I consider -- even as you do -- that it's particularly important to
preserve many computers for learning purposes, and not just for
glass cases. The same is true for old software. My hope is that,
if old hardware and software is preserved with the proper respect
and care it deserves, more of the same could one day be duplicated
-- at least with the most important principles that they've taught us.
So far, I think the surface of this important process has only just
begun to be scratched.
Yes, my old machines are all in working condition, and, for the most
part, in original condition. I use them, learn from them, and cherish
them dearly.
Jerry... on his IBM PC/AT 5170 Model 339 | My laptop computer's a
***** 9600kbps/30MB HD/512k RAM/8 MHz | Tandy TRS-80 Model 100
Net-Tamer V 1.11.2X - Registered
>This is like buying a fridge, taking it home, and having the light globe
>continually blow, calling the manufacturer, and being told that "This is a
>common problem, we charge $25 for solutions, can I have your credit card
>number please?"
OK.. While the frige model is simplistic we can still draw some meaningful
analogies.
First let's look at the reasons that you might buy a particular model of
refrigerator. You probably bought it based on feature set, maintainability,
usability, performance, product familiarity, name brand recognition, because
it's company policy, just to name a few... There's certainly other reasons
but, you get the idea.
So dazzled by all the hype, you buy the WIN model and haul that sucker home.
Now this particular fridge is real popular with vendors and they bombard you
with all kinda things that you can add to make it bigger, better, faster,
larger capacity, more ice, and so on. As a matter of fact, there are
thousands of vendors and hundreds of thousands of different components for
your fridge and you can install them yourself in billions of different
combinations. There are very few restrictions to what you can install. You
don't need any special training, no certification, no tools, in most cases
you don't even need experience. Hey... You can install 4 different ice
makers from 4 different competitors and have them all work at the same time.
In fact there are 1700 different light bulbs that you can get for this
model.
So one day you go to the fridge to get a cold beer and notice the bulb is
not working... Damn defective refrigerator!
Who you gonna call?
What resonse would you expect under those conditions?
If I made the refrigerator, I'd tell you to put it back the way it was when
you got it and see if that fixes the problem. Which is exactly what most PC
manufactures do.
You want me to troubleshoot your fridge under these circumstances... Credit
card please :-)
Steve Robertson
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>('The DIR command
>on this computer doesn't print a directory, it's Delete I-nodes
>Recursively and will wipe the entire filesystem' would tell me NOT to
>type DIR under any circumstances!)
Are there any commands like that? That is, are there any exceedingly
mundane commands on some systems that have exceedingly jeopardous results
on other systems?
I used to define a lot of commands in DCL in my startup file that I commonly
used and named them with weird names. I have accidentally typed the same
command on a PC and ended up with unexpected results. After 5-10 years of
using the command on the VAX I could barely remember the actual DCL. I also
used nested command procedures.
$GETMRI
$DMPMRI
$COMPRESSMRI
$DECOMPRESSMRI
$CLEAN
My clean command deleted all files in the directory and removed any
subdirectories. I once typed clean when I was in one of my source code
directories. Lots of fast CTRL-C and slamming of keys trying to abort it.
We were all logged in with lots of privileges which can be a problem.
Mike
mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu
Joe,
That would be great. Just email me and let me know the details.
Arnie
arnoldlinder(a)yahoo.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@intellistar.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:03 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: HP-HIL keyboard
Arnie,
I don't thing there is such a thing as a PS-2 to HP-HIL adapter. But
I'll send you a keyboard and mouse for the cost of postage.
Joe
At 08:47 AM 3/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I just inherited a new toy. An HP 735 192MB ram (2) 1GB drives and 20 in
>monitor. I was all ready to play, but an important component is missing.
>Does anyone know where I can get a keyboard for this beast without giving
up
>my first born. I really like him. Or a cheap PS/2 to HP-HIL adapter would
>be even better.
>
>Arnie
>
has anyone got a spare lk401? The spacebar on mine is acting up, the return
spring doesn't work properly, and I'll get random spaces in the middle of
typing. Very annoying.
In a message dated 3/7/01 9:16:44 PM Central Standard Time,
rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes:
<< Gene,
I'm not sure that I know what a L40SX is. Is that the laptop that IBM
used to make? If so I know where there's one at and I think it has docs
with it. If that's the same machine then I may be able to try out this one
and/or see what the docs say. >>
it's basically a pre-thinkpad thinkpad. It's tan with a monochrome display
and floppy drive on the right side. model type 8543 i think.
DB Young Team OS/2
antique computer collection, hot rod pinto, and more at:
http://www.nothingtodo.org
In a message dated 3/8/01 8:44:50 AM Central Standard Time,
rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes:
<< After I got the XT/286 CMOS setup I tried to read the hard drive but it
turns out that the drive is bad. RATS! I was hoping to find software for
the STAG EPROM programmers still on it. That's the only reason that I
picked the machine up. Well, I'll save the floppy drives out of it and
pitch the rest of it. >>
are you sure the hard drive is bad? I've a 3270pc that posts a 1701 error but
if I let the machine idle for a short time until the hard drive warms up, it
then works fine. Or if you have a copy of spinrite, let that run on it.
That's saved a drive for me before.
Old computers, and strange other sights at:
www.nothingtodo.org
OK, my 2 cents on this one...
> As someone else here stated, perhaps people who lack the intellect
to
> be able use some random flavor of UNIX, VMS, etc. shouldn't be
using
> computers. That said, I believe that most computers users are not
> incapable of using *NIX, etc.; they're not lacking intellegence,
> they're just naieve when it comes to computers, and they would
> probably like *NIX, etc. once they began using it.
Absolutely. The problem is that today's culture is such that people expect
to just dive right in and be able to do something without actually knowing
anything about what it is they're doing. You don't get into a car, having
never driven in your life before, and head straight out onto the motorway.
Same as you wouldn't expect to be able to run a power station without
reading a few manuals first!
Don't get me wrong, I hate Microsoft as much as anyone else, but fair dues
to them for trying to bring computers to the masses. In my opinion they're
going about it in totally the wrong way though; don't throw together a lot
of buggy, bloated software the looks nice and on the surface is easy to use
- instead build a robust, logical product and provide good documentation on
how to use it. Expect your users to have to actually *learn* something in
order to harness its potential.
>> substance every time. If it weren't for them, Detroit would have
>> been a wasteland decades ago. They're what the US economy
survives
>> on.
>
> Well designed cars, now turned "classic," are, like classic
computers,
> vanishing.
>
> Regarding Detroit: After renting a 2001 Mercury Grand Marquis for
> nearly two months, I will say that it's not as nice a car as my
1972
> Mercury Montego MX Broughm - despite many nice modern features
like
> dome lights that dim as they go out, however, it's still a much
nicer
> car than any of the little Japanese cars and most other imports
that
> I've seen.
Yep. My Triumph turns 30 next year, and it's so much nicer than any modern
car. A car is there to get you from A to B in a reasonable amount of time
and comfort - and I'll add that it should look nice, but it would still do
its job even if it didn't. You don't need lights that fade rather than just
go out, electrically adjustable mirrors, heated windscreen washer jets and
all the other garbage that people pile into new vehicles these days.
I'd also argue that you don't need airbags and side impact bars and all the
rest of it - I mean, human beings are not immortal (and never will be) and
if they're going to chuck themselves around the country at high speed then
what do they expect!?
It's the same with the fridge example that someone else came up with. A
fridge is there to keep cool food; that's its job and it doesn't need to do
anything else.
I suppose given peoples' desire for the latest-and-greatest thing which is
more feature-packed than ever before - and better than what their next door
neighbour has - one of two things will happen:
a) people will gradually see sense and start to buy products according to
how functional they are.*
b) people will continue to buy according to unnecessary features and
marketing hype.
I don't think case a) is too likely, at least not for many years - but maybe
as far as the computer inductry is concerned we're seeing the start of that
with the recent downturn in .com investment? And if case b) holds out then
there's nothing we can do to change things anyway - just let it take its
course and stop worrying about it! :-)
* I'm not saying we should all buy things which look like big, dull, grey
boxes :) But a product can be functional as well as reliable,
cost-effective, pleasing on the eye etc. - current trend seems to be to
ignore function over all the other things. I believe that's only a recent
thing (last hundred years or so) that's come about with increase in global
communication and wider markets - presumably because if company X can make a
product that looks nicer than company Y's offering - regardless of how well
it performs - they will typically make more money and therefore survive.
Hopefully it'll come round full circle eventually and people will start
taking some pride in the things that they produce again.
Anyway, enough off-topicness for one day... and it was probably way more
than a 2 cents opinion. And I probably made no sense either. :-)
cheers
Jules
On March 7, Billy D'Augustine wrote:
> If it wasn't Microsoft, it would be someone else, and we'd be bashing on
> them right now.
*Some people* would be bashing on them right now. But I think most of
us would bash only if the Someone Else in question had the
commonly-criticized attributes of microsoft:
- truly *bad* (though commonly used) products
- wholly, blatantly dishonest marketing
- near-criminal business practices
-Dave McGuire
Billy, where are you? I have a spare LK401 but live in the Netherlands.
Wim
----------
> From: Billy D'Augustine <azog(a)azog.org>
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: off topic: lk401
> Date: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:30 PM
>
> has anyone got a spare lk401? The spacebar on mine is acting up, the
return
> spring doesn't work properly, and I'll get random spaces in the middle of
> typing. Very annoying.
>
>
From: Peter Joules <peter(a)joules.org>
>These mail viruses are one good reason for reading mail using pine on my
>Linux box, by telnet from the Windoze machine ;-)
That works but it's still PC. Run Vaxmail on a 3100 or maybe a solid 730
then you can even disect the virus as it cant even run there... ;)
Allison
Well, I've said that I haven't gotten myself into this hobby to make a profit,
but it is time for a small contradiction.
I have found a person in my area that has 7 VAXen he's going to scrap if he
can't move them out. Now, I'm not particularly interested in VAXen, but I am
currently trying to raise money to put together a PDP-11 system or two. I need
to know if these machines' value (in terms of power to acquire the PDP-11 parts
that I want, either by money or direct trade) is greater than the cost of the
trip to get them.
The VAXen:
VAX 6000-310
VAX 6000-410
VAX 6000-420 (2 of them)
VAX 6000-510 (2 of them)
VAX 7000-610 (cpu cards removed)
Cost of trip: $500
The owner claims they were used by NASA, then stored in a climate-controlled
room, then given to him. He says they look brand new.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft advertisement
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler
From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
>> -Disable VBS scripting, that stops a raft of buggies right there.
>> - disable open after preview for 5sec .
>> - disable auto display of pictures
>> - enable empty deleted folder on close (delete really does then).
>> Thats just a few of the simpler things that really do help.
> - and default to TEXT for e-mail
>
>If those were the DEFAULTS, what percentage of the problems would be
>solved, and how much of the anti-MICROS~1 hostility would be eliminated?
Some. Then again the real garbage like AOL and all those really inane
web pages that usse activeX and comX controls.
Allison
Never mind, the guy called me and said he had already gotten rid of the VAXen.
Grrr!
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft advertisement
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler
> > Why fault Microsoft for making products that are popular and common?
>Their products' popularity and commonness is largely *not* a result of the
>product's quality.
Well... I happen to be a quality engineer and I strongly disagree with your
assertion that MS does not produce quality software. So in order to get this
discussion on an intellectual tract, I'd be curious as to your definition of
software quality, and the specific attributes that define it?
>(2) Their products are designed for idiots. Computers are tools for smart
>people. Should we let evolution gradually filter out stupid people from
>the species, or should we allow them to be our least common denominator,
>thereby limiting the power of the species as a whole?
So... I'm an idiot because I use MS products?
I also take exception to your assertion that computers are for "smart"
people. Let's see... Not so many years ago, the consensus was that freedom
was only for white people, that voting was only for men, and [fill in the
blank with your favorite excluded activity / group].
There was also a time where you had to be a mechanic in order to drive
because the cars were unrelyable and difficult to maintain. Should we
exclude every one from driving that can't rebuild an engine or tear down a
transmission. Let's see... Like the rest of us, you probably watch TV on
occassion. Is there anyone on this list (Tony excluded) that could build one
>from scratch? Does that mean no-one else should be allowed to watch TV?
Let's see... If you can't cook, you shouldn't be allowed to eat... If you
can't sew, you shouldn't be allowed to wear clothes... If you can't swim,
you shuldn't be allowed to bathe...
>(3) Their software engineers have given far too much design control to
>their marketing droids.
Bull Shit... Without marketing, WINDOWS would have a f***ing command line
interface and only the eliteist "smart" people (like yourself) would be
entitled to use it. Marketing is just as important to software engineering
as developers are.
Steve Robertson
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From: Jeffrey S. Sharp <jss(a)ou.edu>
> > > Why fault Microsoft for making products that are popular and
> > > common?
> >
>(0) They are too big.
Common fault of many PC based programs these days.
>(1) They are too slow.
See (0). Add that their complexity has made them larger and therefor
harder to optimize (should they even bother).
>(2) They are too buggy.
I find that they are often less buggy than their competitors running on
the same platform.
>(3) They are too ustable.
See (2), add complexity complicates testing for all possible cases.
There is always a pathological case that was untested.
>(4) They don't use open standards.
Agreed, they are to busy trying to make their's unique.
>(5) They claim to use open standards, but instead use 'embraced and
extended'
(read: raped) ones that are 'strategically documented'.
Redundant, see (4).
>(7) They assume you are an idiot.
It industry wide now, I'm not certain it started with them.
>(8) They have inadequate documentation.
See (7).
>(9) WTF is up with their versioning? JEEZ!
Common problem. I suspect they have competing factions, winner
gets all.
> > (2) Their products are designed for idiots.
>
My $0.02... They {Apple and others included} made computers easier to
use without the need for a CS degree. Yes, that means some or even
many things are dumb to the point of sillyness remember the initial goal.
> So... I'm an idiot because I use MS products?
No. It's a commodoity product that has advantages, limiations and flaws
use it with understanding and care.
> > Computers are tools for smart people. Should we let evolution
> > gradually filter out stupid people from the species, or should
> > we allow them to be our least common denominator, thereby
> > limiting the power of the species as a whole?
They can be. They are also appliances, in many ways no different from
the Microwave or car.
> Let's see... Like the rest of us, you probably watch TV on
> occassion. Is there anyone on this list (Tony excluded) that could
> build one from scratch?
Yes, and specious too. Once upon a time (about 50 years ago) you could
spend a lot of money (months pay) and buy a TV or you could buy it as
a kit (pre heithkit!). In a time log ago I built the Altair because
buying
a commercial product was manytimes more costly. I did that because
I could and had a desire. Not everyone could, though they wanted and
needed to tool I built, hence Apple and TRS80.
Same story for the early drivers, pilots and other on the leading edge
or a useful technology.
>presence of marketroids --
They exist get used to it. Sometimes... they may present a problem
that an engineer can really feel challenged to meet. Other times they
try to satisfy a preceived need. Marketing without direction is no
different
than engineering without direction in that both cases expend resources
to no significant gain. In the end they are or should be part of a team.
I have no love for Micros~1. However I do use their product and within
it's (DOS, W3.1, W9x, WinNT, W2k) limits it works ok for business. It's
adaquate. Intelligently applied it does do real work with acceptable
relibility with users that do not care how or why it works when their
job is accounting, selling or managing stock. To many computers are
just another tool.
Allison
>
>The following came to us at work, and I wanted to pass on the info:
>
>STRICOM has received official notification of a new virus in the wild called
>the Naked Wife Virus.
>
>This virus is sent by email message with the subject of the "Naked Wife"
or
>"FW: Naked Wife" with text of "My wife never looked like that! ;) ".
>There is an infected attachment named "nakedwife.exe". When opened, this
>virus resends itself to other recipients in address book. This virus also
>affects all .dll, .exe, .com, and .bitmaps files. Do not open this
email
>or the attachment if received.
>
>Information has not yet been received as to whether Norton or McAfee will
>detect and clean this virus.
>
>Microsoft Outlook email systems are the primary target of this virus and we
>do not believe Lotus Notes is affected, but as a precautionary measure, we
>are asking that if you receive an email at work or at home meeting the above
>criteria, please delete them immediately.
>
On March 7, Chad Fernandez wrote:
> I wish I had a big Vax.
Feel like renting a truck and driving to Maryland? I'm almost in
the mood to send my 8700 on to a better home.
-Dave McGuire
There are a number of different variants but, that sounds a lot like my /36.
Basically, the entire system is one box (box ass tower) with integral HDs,
I/O, tape drive (optional), and 8" floppy drive. I think most of the HDs are
in the 60-90MB range.
All external devices including the console are connected through a twinax
cable. IIRC, mine has several (4) coax connectors on the rear panel. I don't
recall the terminal type but, I think they are common IBM twinax terminals.
I see the terminals on Ebay fairly often. As I recall, they go pretty cheap.
Since the HDs are internal and the systems are not likely to be under
maintenance, it's not too difficult to find a 36 with the OS still
installed. The one I collected came with all the original install disks so
passwords weren't an issue. The lack of an available OS has certainly
dissuaded me from bothering with any 400 stuff.
I messed around with the box when I first got it but, it really didn't seem
all that interesting so, I stuck it in the garage.
I'm sure a number of other collectors s on this list also have a /36?
Steve Robertson
>From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net>
>Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>Subject: IBM System 36
>Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 22:15:17 -0500
>
>Last time I went to the surplus electronic shop that I visit. I saw
>what was labeled as being a System 36. It was basically a really over
>grown full tower, with a few other peripherals. Did I see the whole
>unit, or just a small part? Would this be something I could do
>something with? Does any freeware exist? How about the OS.... is it
>around, and attainable? What kind of processing horsepower does it
>have?
>
>I didn't really look at it, while I was there. I knew they are the
>ancestor to the AS400, and the AS400 is sort of a white elephant for the
>hobbyist.
>
>Chad Fernandez
>Michigan, USA
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>> .... My Einstein came with the 80 column add-on ....
> I've never seen one, but I've always suspected it was a 6845 + 2K RAM +
> character generator + TTL glue logic in the obvious configuration. How
> close am I?
Not close, exact. The 'MODEL TK02 80 COLUMN MONOCHROME CARD' has:
UM 6845 8440 , TMM2016BP-10 , TMS2764JL-45 , a 10Mhz oscillator (may
be 16 or 18 - can't quite read it and havn't put a 'scope on it yet)
and fifteen 74LSxxx chips.
> How much hardware-related info do you have? I can find (easily) things
> like connector pinouts, etc.
Absolutely none but I'm not looking further than getting an OS at the moment
- if it then doesn't work however, I'll remember your kind offer.
John Honniball asked about the disks in the Einstein - having now taken them
out of the steel box sleeve which every 3.0" drive seems to come in I can
report that they are different to the Amstrad PCW8256/8512 drives -
whereas the Amstrad are the 'infamous slack belt' drives, the drives in my
Einstein are Teac direct drive (hurray!).
Doug.
