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Free PDP-11 equipment: [3 PDP-11s in working order] in UK

by John.Honniball＠uwe.ac.uk

Anybody in the UK want a PDP-11? This message was sent to the Sun Rescue list (please contact sender at BA directly). ----- Forwarded message from "Aristocleous, Aristoteles O" <Aristoteles.O.Aristocleous(a)BritishAirways.com> ----- Date: 10 Apr 2001 11:06:47 Z From: "Aristocleous, Aristoteles O" <Aristoteles.O.Aristocleous(a)BritishAirways.com> Subject: 3 PDP-11s in working order Hi We are about to throw out 3 PDP-11s, with tape drives, which were in working order when they were powered off, together with some Versatect Printers. They should all still be in working order. We are based at London Heathrow, UK. If you are interested, or know of anyone who would be interested in these machines (in order to save them from the tip), please let me know as soon as possible. If you do want them, I think you will need a tail lift truck, and you must remove ALL the equipment in one visit. You (or the person who wants it) must also agree not to make any BA programs or BA data which can found or recovered from the machines available to anyone, or use it in any way or for any purpose. We have a lift which is capable of carrying the PDPs down to ground level. Best Regards Aris. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21st century air travel http://www.britishairways.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- John Honniball Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk University of the West of England

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What is the current Teledisk version #...

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

Digging through my old disks, I've turned up 2.23

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CPT 8525... what is it?

by jde＠alpha1.net

If anyone knows anything about the Panasonic KX-D4910 portable data terminal please let me know. I would also like to know what emulation can be used like it. I still need to use one of these to program an older phone system. Thanks. jde(a)alpha1.net

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Collection list (just for phun)

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/11/01 1:44:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu writes: > I just realised that I forgot the GRiD 1530. I'd love to get one of the > pen GRiDs, though -- this thing is too bulky to be useful to me. > > -- That reminds me - I forgot to list my GRiDcase 3 as well.. It has 2 10 meg hard drives, a battery, a charger, a power pack and the original GRiD laptop bag :-) -Linc Fessenden A good magician never reveals his secret; the unbelievable trick becomes simple and obvious once it is explained. So too with LINUX! The nice thing about Windows is - It does not just crash, it displays a dialog box and lets you press 'OK' first.

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Docs for Morrow MD3

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

anyone ahve the documentation for the MD3? PDF format would be great....

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HP 9000 520

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Jarkko Teppo <jarkko.teppo(a)er-grp.com> wrote: > The second machine doesn't want to boot, halts with "Fever finstrates than > expected". I really haven't had the time to investigate yet. A "finstrate" is a board (any board, CPU, IOP or memory) in the processor card cage. What's in there? -Frank McConnell

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Two additions to Collection

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today I picked up a Leading Edge Technical Reference manual and diagnostics diskette at a thrift store in great shape with blank warranty card in jacket. Got a donation of a SPARCstation 2 with keyboard, mouse, special metal mousepad, 19" color monitor, external hard drive (two in the case), and all the cables. The unit fires up and is loaded but the battery is dead.

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HP Journals FS -- HP 9815, 9825 calculators, HP 2100 computers, etc.

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I have just finished listing a bunch of HP Journals on E-bay. Several of them contain articles about the HP 9815 and 9825 calculators, HP 2100 computers and other items of interest to this group. I will be listing more of them tomorrow including at least one issue full of articles about the HP 25 and other Woodstock calculators. You can see the complete list at "http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&u serid=rigdonj(a)intellistar.net". Joe

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SWTP info needed

by pbboy＠mindspring.com

I picked up a SWTP central processing unit, model /09. What is this? It has a SWTP cpu card (MP-09B) with a 2 MHz MC68B09P, a Hazelwood card marked DM-64 and a Microworks card with an MC68B21P on it. The MicroWorks card has wires through the rear of the case. It also has 3 serial and 1 parallel cards. The Hazelwood card looks burned a bit on the back side of one transistor. The CPU card looks ok, but I don't want to power it up without first checking the power supply. What are the voltages for the power supply? What is the MicroWorks card? Does anyone have any docs or info for this, maybe a website? Thanks. Robert

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Collection list (just for phun)

by jpero＠sympatico.ca

Crazy large # of Macs collector, wow. My very modest collection: Mac 1 x C610/AAUI modified to 28MHz on 68040-25 (not bogus LC040) 1 x Mac II my most recent find, beat all of my for OLDest machine. 1 x LC III o/c'ed to 33 1 x Performa 466. Coming: PowerMac 7100 barebones looking for parts to build up this PM. Offering some of my collection where noted to fund this power Mac rebuild. Ebay sucks sometimes especially when buying US cash with worthless canadian funds. Peecees: 1 x Asus P2B rev1.04 PII 350 1 x Asus P5A w/ bastardized P5A-B bios running unlocked P55C 2.5x100MHz as bench pc to test parts. 1 x Asus A7pro w/ duron 800, mini-vroom! 1 x SLT 286 w/ power brick and 1024K ram module installed, all working to trade for Mac parts, no battery. 1 x DECpc XL 466d2 unused, empty shell except for PSU, motherboard, floppy and cpu 486 card. 1 x Aero to trade for power mac parts, request for details on Aero. 1 x TP701. PS/2s 1 x P75 1 x 70-Axx if u don't know what this suffix means, it's one hotshot 386DX in small desktop box IBM ever made or since in PS/2 era. 1 x complete base 90 XP w/ 256K cache, dx 33 complex w/ latest 4GB support bios, 64MB, stock scsi card w/ original scsi cable (!!), looking to trade for PowerMac 6,7,8100 series parts. Best to ship this 90 in parts minus chassis, too heavy to ship at reasonably cost. All that in a 20 x 18 bedroom and all other junk and still have space to walk and sleep comfortably. (!!) Note, if anybody have 6100, 7100, 8100 PM, all the removeable parts like ROM simm, PDS cards (HPV etc) and cache stick except for some items are all same. That 7100 needs a rom stick or complete 7100 motherboard w/ rom stick. Also if anybody have 1MB HPV card to trade for my parts. Cheers, Wizard

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Confirmed speakers for VCF East

by vcf＠siconic.com

I am thrilled to announce that Wayne Green, the mogul of the veritable publishing empire that is Wayne Green Publications, and Jon Titus, designer of the Mark-8 computer, are confirmed as speakers at VCF East! Also, Kevin Stumpf of the Nostalgic Technophile and author of the first ever book on computer collecting, "A Guide to Collecting Computers and Computer Collectibles". http://www.nostalgictechnophile.com More to come! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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vt100 & graphics

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: emanuel stiebler <emu(a)ecubics.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: vt100 & graphics >Dave McGuire wrote: >> >> Now, though, I have two VT100s with the VT125 graphics option >> installed. They're neat! > >Was there really an option, or is it just aother mainboard ? It was an option to the main video board. Actually other than some shared timing and IO it could be though ot as a VT100 text terminal and graphics terminal with the video combined (you could do both!). Allison

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List dead?

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Haven't seen a bit of mail out of this list - is it broke?

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OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.

by blacklord＠telstra.com

> Intrusion?? Offending?? Why, because Americans care about what is > taking place between the USA and China? I wouldn't be offended if an > Israeli talked about the stuff in there country with the > Palestinians. > Why is it that because a list is "International" that everyone is > expected to pretend that they don't live in a country? > Chad, The entire topic is thoroughly irrelavant to the list, this is Classic Computers, not International_Espionage, not last time I looked anyway :- ) ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.

by blacklord＠telstra.com

----- Original Message ----- From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 5:13 am Subject: Re: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays. Agreed! > Maybe the biggest objection is that it is completely and totally > off-topic > for a mailing list dedicated to discussing old computers? > > The LAST thing I want is an "Us vs. Them" argument in ClassicCmp. > > In ClassicCmp, as in Cyerbspace, there are no borders. > > Sellam Ismail Vintage > Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger > http://www.vintage.org > ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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(no subject)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Thats pretty bizzare looking if it's for 8251 and the cmos cousin. You sure you not talking to something else as 8251s were never 153kb/s and I doubt the cmos parts were much faster. The addresses seems strange but that may be an interface oddity. Also most 8251s needed a few reads in the init after reset to clean them out. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Mekonnen Tekeste <M.Tekeste(a)Bradford.ac.uk> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:26 AM > >Can Any one help me please? i am trying to interface a bar code reader >to PCI Bus via a 82C51 (UART), and i wrote a code to support my >hardware design but the software it seem wrong. Here is the code: > > > >#include <conio.h> >#include <stdio.h> >#include <dos.h> > >/* Type Definitions */ > >typedef unsigned char UBYTE; /* Old habbit... */ > >/* Serial Port Definitions */ > >#define STATUS 0x308 /* Status Base Address */ >#define CONTROL 0x300 /* Control Base Address */ >#define TXREG 0x30C /* Transmit Base Address */ >#define RXREG 0x304 /* Receive Base Address */ >#define TRUE 1 > >/* Function Prototypes */ > >void InitUSART(void); /* Initialize USART */ >void TxData(UBYTE); /* Transmit Data */ >UBYTE RxData(void); /* Receive Data */ > >/* > InitUSART() - Initialize USART to 153600, 8 Data Bits, No Parity, 1 Stop >Bit >*/ >void InitUSART(void) >{ > outp(CONTROL, 0x40); // Reset UART > outp(CONTROL, 0x4E); // Stop, no parity, 8-bit, %16 baud > outp(CONTROL, 0x05); // UART now ready >} > >/* > TxData() - Send Data to Serial Port > Entry: > data = Data to transmit >*/ >void TxData(UBYTE data) >{ > UBYTE x; > > /* Check for Tx Buffer Empty */ > do > { > x = inp(STATUS); > x &= 0x01; > } while(x == 0); > > outp(TXREG, data); /* Send Data */ >} > >/* > RxData() - Receive Data from the Serial Port > Exit: > data = Rx Data byte >*/ >UBYTE RxData(void) >{ > UBYTE x; > UBYTE data = 0; > > while(TRUE) /* Check for Rx Data */ > { > x = inp(STATUS); > x &= 0x02; > if(x == 0x02) > { > data = inp(RXREG); /* Get Data */ > break; > } > > /* Optional. Aborts if keypress */ > > if(kbhit()) /* Abort if Keypress */ > { > getch(); > printf("\n"); > break; > } > } > return(data); >} > > >void main(void) >{ > > >InitUSART(); > >while(TRUE) > putch(RxData()); >} > > > > > > > >

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Now taking exhibit entries for VCF East!!!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >I think I am about to announce that the first VCF East will be held at the >Centrum Centre in Worcester, Massachusetts. The tentative dates are June >23-24. Cool I might just be able to make this one. Worcester is only 45 minutes or so west of me. Who knows I can do some face/name association if it works out. Allison

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Heath/Zenith stuff

by jss＠ou.edu

Looks like some local Saint Louis collector has already picked up the stuff. Game over. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)ou.edu

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Minimum VMS Version for VS4000?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Does anyone happen to know the minimum version of VMS that will run on a VAXstation 4000? Either a VLC, m60, or m90. Alternativelly, does anyone know what the max VMS version Oracle 7.0.12 or 6.0.36.7 will support on OpenVMS? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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NeXT slabs, recent finds and a request...and a spelling checker for who?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 10, Claude.W wrote: > Also, I have an excuse for MY spelling mistakes...I am french.... No worries, Claude; your english is perfectly readable... -Dave McGuire

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Wonder (was Re: just outta curiosity)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 10, Carlos Murillo wrote: > Sigh. I could not afford to pay a yearly Matlab license for a > unix machine with personal money. I did manage to buy a Wintel license > for personal use a couple years ago in a group purchase. > And no, octave and Scilab are not yet up to the task. How much are those Unix licenses these days? > I do prefer unix for my numerics work whenever I have a choice. > Still, my home PC is full of Win32 ports of Unix packages :-) . > No msoffice or anything like that if I can avoid it. Bravo! :-) -Dave McGuire

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Minimum VMS Version for VS4000?

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Does anyone happen to know the minimum version of VMS that will run on a > VAXstation 4000? Either a VLC, m60, or m90. I'm pretty certain the minimum for the 4000/60 is 5.5-2. I didn't get a /90 until well after they were out, so I don't the minimium for that and I've never seen a VLC. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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List dead?

by Demon02554＠aol.com

as far as i can tell this thing works fine

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Why Worcester was chosen for VCF East 1.0

by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

It's a bit further north than I would have preferred, but I can't fault your reasoning... And besides, I'm an old WPI alumnus (class of 77), so it'll be a real nostalgia trip for me :-) BTW, anyone else on the list an old WPI hacker (and when I say "hacker", I'm referring to it's archaic meaning, rather than it's current derogatory meaning...) > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude.W [mailto:claudew@videotron.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 1:21 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Why Worcester was chosen for VCF East 1.0 > > > Hi all... > > Well...VCF east hey at Worcester,MA hey....hmmmm...... > > Hey, it's even only a 6 hour drive from Montreal...! > > Ill be easy to spot : 6'4 with a tuque... > > Claude > Canuk Computer Collector > http://computer_collector.tripod.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> > To: Classic Computers Mailing List <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:07 AM > Subject: Why Worcester was chosen for VCF East 1.0 > > > > > > I've gotten some griping about my selection for the > location of the first > > VCF East. > > > > No doubt, a good majority of folks will be quite happy with > the selection. > > This is no accident. The site was chosen based on the > demographics I > > collected. Most of the attendees will be coming from > Massachusetts and > > surrounding areas. > > > > As with any sensible business decision, it was based on what will > > hopefully bring as many attendees to the event, which in > turn means I will > > be able to recoup expenses and will therefore want to continue to do > > Festivals on the east coast. > > > > I received over 150 responses to the VCF East survey. Here > is a summary > > of the results: > > > > This chart shows the number of responses received from each > state, sorted > > by number of attendees in descending order. > > > > State Count > > ----- ----- > > MA 27 > > NY 15 > > PA 12 > > NH 8 > > MD 7 > > OH 5 > > NJ 4 > > FL 4 > > CT 3 > > VT 3 > > GA 3 > > RI 2 > > VA 2 > > NC 2 > > IN 2 > > IL 2 > > MN 2 > > ME 1 > > WV 1 > > MI 1 > > WI 1 > > IA 1 > > MO 1 > > TX 1 > > > > - Nearly 25% of potential attendees will be coming from MA alone > > - 40% of potential attendees will be coming from the New > England area > > - If you include NY, PA and NJ with New England, nearly 70% > will be coming > > from this combined northeast region > > > > There was also a strong desire to keep the event close to the Rhodes > > Island Computer Museum and the Retro-Computing Society of > Rhodes Island so > > that tours to those facilities could be organized. > Providence is only > > about 45 minutes from Worcester. There are also several > other museums > > that I hope to get involved with the event, including the MIT and > > Harvard museums and the Computer Museum in Boston. > > > > Worcester is still within only a few hours of where most of > the potential > > attendees will be coming from. I don't know how you east > coast folks > > perceive distance, but I've lived in California all my life > and a 6-hour > > drive from the San Francisco bay area to the Los Angeles > area is no big > > deal to me. I made the round-trip in one day a couple > weekends ago to > > pick up an old computer. Driving a couple to three hundred > miles should > > not be a major ordeal for most folks. > > > > So there you have it, the reasoning behind the selection of > the location > > for VCF East 1.0. I know it won't please everyone, but the > unhappy folks > > need to realize it has to be held where it makes the most sense. > > > > I really look forward to VCF East, and I hope you easterly > folks do too :) > > > > Sellam Ismail > Vintage Computer > Festival > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > ---- > > International Man of Intrigue and Danger > http://www.vintage.org > > > > >

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More views on technology

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C. Clark And then there's the other view: Any sufficiently low technology is indistinguishable from hard work. Any sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from molasses. Any sufficiently advanced card game is indistinguishable from magic. Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo. Any sufficiently complicated technology is indistinguishable from bad karma. Any sufficiently high technology is indistinguishable from doubletalk. No mine stolen from some other computer person. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Henk Gooijen's PDP-11 prints online

by chris＠mainecoon.com

Yesterday's post brought four CDs filled with TIFFs of PDP-11 (and related) prints. They're available at: http://www.mainecoon.com/classiccmp It's nothing more than a pile of directories and a boatload of files, each of which is on the order of several megabytes. If you're planning on pulling a bunch of these down it might be a good idea to contact me and see if it isn't possible to deliver the stuff to you on CDs... Cheers, Chris. -- Chris Kennedy chris(a)mainecoon.com http://www.mainecoon.com PGP fingerprint: 4E99 10B6 7253 B048 6685 6CBC 55E1 20A3 108D AB97

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Just checking

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

had to resub under my other address as my other seems to be down - ignore this.

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[Fwd: Re: HDOS 3.0]

by knightstalkerbob＠netscape.net

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: HDOS 3.0 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:07:33 EDT From: DocBogner(a)cs.com To: knightstalkerbob(a)netscape.net In a message dated 4/10/2001 8:15:53 AM Central Daylight Time, knightstalkerbob(a)netscape.net writes: << How do I go about transferring from the H-89 to a PC? I know there used to translator services, used one myself once in 85-86. Is there a software package for the H89 or PC that will read the others format, or nul-modem the two together? >> Bob, it's just been too long for me to remember this offhand. I will have to dig into some of my old HDOS notebooks. Meanwhile, please repost the above as a message to me (or All) in the existing HDOS 3 message thread on our forum. That will get some more replies from HDOS users whose memories are better than mine. Doc -- Bob Mason 2x Amiga 500's, GVP A530 (40mhz 68030/68882, 8meg Fast, SCSI), 1.3/3.1, 2meg Chip, full ECS chipset, EZ135, 1084S, big harddrives, 2.2xCD Gateway Performance 500 Piece 'o Crap, '98, 128meg, 20Gig, flatbed. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Wonder (was Re: just outta curiosity)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Hmm. I've never found computers tedious. I also don't run Windows. I think there's probably a connection there. :) And no...nobody *NEEDS* to use Windows. I love getting into that argument. "But I NEEEEEEED it!" My favorite response is usually something like "you mean you'd be unemployed and destitute if this one bad product from this one bad company didn't exist?" That really pisses some people off. Others have gone and installed decent OSs on their PeeCees that very day. :) -Dave McGuire On April 8, Chuck McManis wrote: > I don't recall exactly when it was, but I not too long ago I found myself > dealing with the "tediousness" of using a computer. To consider a computer > tedious was, for me, such a shock that I had to ponder the implications of > that. The result of that pondering was that for my tools, I needed them to > work correctly and they rarely were, and getting them fixed was tedious. > However I also realized that for the "PC" at least a lot of the wonder had > gone out of computers. I remember clearly the FORTRAN printout that > computed the impact point of a free falling object dropped from 5,000 feet > in a uniform gravity gradient and a perfect vacuum :-) I printed x & y > co-ordinates of the object for every tenth second and got 20 pages or so of > numbers. That was WONDERful. Writing a PL/I program to use overstrikes to > print multi-shaded histograms on a line printer attached to a 370 was > pretty fun to. > > Figuring out what my graphics program on Win98 wasn't seeing mouse events > was TEDIOUS. > > So much of my motivation is driven by the wonder of what the system can do > with what it has that I find VAXen and PDP-11s much more impressive than > 1.5Ghz Pentium IVs. Capturing the wonder is my secret ingredient to learning. > > --Chuck > >

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large load of old (non-PC) microcomputers available

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Is this some place in Australia? Isn't that where Brisbane is located? I'm not sure I know the abbreviations for all of the Australian states and territories. >Most importantly, are any interested list members in AZ (brisbane I = >think was the city) and could thus do a look-see, and maybe organize = >shipping, etc? Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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vt100 & graphics

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 10, emanuel stiebler wrote: > > Now, though, I have two VT100s with the VT125 graphics option > > installed. They're neat! > > Was there really an option, or is it just aother mainboard ? It's really an option. It's a secondary board, almost as large as the main board, that sandwiches onto it. Then both slide into the card cage. The option kit also comes with a replacement back cover that has extra holes for stuff like the RGB BNC connectors (it can drive an external color monitor)... > P.S. You need both of them ? > ;-) ;) I hadn't thought about parting with one of them, but I might consider it... -Dave McGuire

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Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > >Was the missing radome collision damage? >Or would jettisoning the radome be standard procedure? No. That would be an aerodynamic disaster as it could hit something important further back. FYI: that is an older survialence plane and likely hold fewer secrets that is believed. Allison

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Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.)

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 04:19 PM 4/9/01 -0400, you wrote: >There is some disagreement about jettisoning the radome. Not sure what >made it fall off, but it is only a fiberglass bubble over a radar >transceiver. Not terribly sturdy because it has to be transparent to >radar waves. It is only there to protect the antennae and for aerodynamic >purposes. > >I bet that is one of the only senders on the plane. Of course it is. Did you happen to notice that big dish on the bottom of the fuselage? Guess what's in it? Also take a look at the long dome on top of the fuselage. I'd be willing to bet that it contains a fixed antenna for a side looking RADAR. FWIW the RADAR antenna that was in the forward radome probably contained an antenna for a STANDARD weather and naviagation RADAR. The system certainly contains nothing that would have to be jettisisioned. The rest of it are >antennae for receiving electronic intelligence such as radar frequencies, >radio traffic, microwave traffic, and the like. > >In <Pine.GSO.4.21.0104082328560.11155-100000(a)lanshark.lanminds.com>, on >04/09/01 > at 04:19 PM, "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> said: > >>On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Chris Kennedy wrote: >>> - The radome is missing. I'm at a loss to explain how the radome >>> got ripped off the aircraft by contact on the wing -- especially >>> given that the fuselage forward of the wing root doesn't appear >>> damaged. Most likely it collided with the vertical stablizer (ie "rudder") when the fighter tried to "bump" the EP-3 by passing underneath it at high speed. The debris probably did the damage to the propellors and other external antenna. Joe

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HP 9815 (was Re: HP 9000 520)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > The two expansion slots were optional on the early 9815 "A" models but > were standard on the later "S" model. There are several interfaces that can > go in those slots. Here's the list of the ones that I know of: One I didn't see on your list, don't know the part number of, and don't have, but have seen in the hands of another subscriber: a cable with a 9815 cartridge on each end, used to connect two 9815s together for tape duplication. -Frank McConnell

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vt100 & graphics

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 8, emanuel stiebler wrote: > In the beginning of the '80 I was sitting on a VT100 with an > additional/optional > "selenar graphics board" > > Anybody out here, ever heard of such beast or has one ? > > As far as I remember, it had an z80 on it, and was emulating an > Tektronix 4010 or something similar. Yes, I used to have one of those. I had a huge amount of fun with it. I ran it hooked up to my pdp11/34a. I have no idea what happened to it...sure wish I'd hung onto it. Now, though, I have two VT100s with the VT125 graphics option installed. They're neat! -Dave McGuire

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OS-65U and/or OS-65D boot disks?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Someone is looking for these boot disks for emulator use. Can someone here help him? See below. - John : Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:37:03 -0400 From: Chris Ott <cott(a)bellatlantic.net> Organization: Acclamation Systems Since I noticed you'll be downloading the Ohio Scientific manuals next, I'm reminded of a question I wanted to ask. You wouldn't happen to know if anyone out there has a disk image of OS-65U and/or OS-65D, would you? I'd like to try to run them on my C4P emulator. I actually have my own copies, but since I don't have a computer that'll read them, I don't think I have any other options. Chris

25 years, 2 months

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Heath/Zenith stuff

by KB9VU＠aol.com

I have 3 H-89s, 2 H8s, an H19, H29, original Zenith 10 Meg HD with the on board 8" drive, several 8" dual drives, spare SS and DS 5" drives, several spare 5" HH and FH hard drives, controller boards, CPU and TLB boards, spare I/O and RAM boards, drives, chips, hardware. A ton of original documentation and software. All of the systems are in operating condition. Spare parts are used and NOS. Free to the first person that picks it up within the next 7 days in St. Louis, MO E-Mail direct if you want the collection. kb9vu(a)aol.com After 7 days it goes to the dump. We are moving and it just can't be moved with us this time. Thanks. Mike

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just outta curiosity

by Demon02554＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/8/01 3:20:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KenzieM(a)sympatico.ca writes: << My APPLE ][ plus came with CP/M manuals. Reading them I found a reference to the new mini diskettes, they were referring to 5.25" floppies. Browsing in used book stores this weekend I found TI, heathkit, Intel and Motorola chip reference books and a manual for my Amstrad 1640. I'm afraid that many of the older machines won't even be recognised as an old computer by people who started out with a Pentium. When I ask if they have any old hardware they say that they had a Pentium 100 but it was too old and they threw it out. >> WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THOSE PEOPLE?!? i have a little shelf that has all of my old processors sitting on it....since the machines wouldnt work....i have a processor from every generation of the X86...some Atari processors...and i think actually a few gaming console processors....

25 years, 3 months

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Now taking exhibit entries for VCF East!!!

by vcf＠siconic.com

I think I am about to announce that the first VCF East will be held at the Centrum Centre in Worcester, Massachusetts. The tentative dates are June 23-24. With that in mind, I would like to start taking exhibit entries. If you would like to exhibit at the VCF East then please go to the following page and fill in the form: http://www.vintage.org/2001/east/exhibit.php3 First, Second and Third place awards will be given based on attendee votes. $50 will be given to the First Place exhibit. As an enticement, exhibitors get free admission to the event and a free t-shirt. Please remember that this is COMPLETELY PRELIMINARY. The dates and the venue are by no means cast in stone at this point. I just want to start getting exhibitors signed up because the timeframe is so tight. I would also like to take this opportunity to welcome suggestions for speakers at VCF East. If you have suggestions, please send them to <sellam(a)vintage.org>. I will know in the next day or so if Centrum Centre will indeed be the place. Within a few days after that the VCF East area of the VCF website will begin to carry information about speakers, exhibiting, vendors, admission rates, etc. The VCF East message board will open up shortly as well. There will be a link to the message board on the VCF East main page once things get rolling. Stay tuned!!! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

25 years, 3 months

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Slabs, kids, shipping, cdtv.

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 06:39:56 -0400 > From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: NeXT slabs, recent finds and a request > > I've got a CDTV myself, but it's CD-ROM doesn't work. > Otherwise it > works fine booted from a floppy, acting like an A500. I've got > keyboard, wireless mouse, remote and a black Roctek floppy > drive. What > does your keyboard look like? Mine is black and looks > identical to the > A3000/A4000 keyboard except for the connector but it doesn't > have 'CDTV' > below the Amiga logo in the upper right corner and it almost > looks like > it was spray painted black. The cord and connector don't look like a > homebrew job though. My keyboard DOES say 'CDTV' but doesn't have the amiga logo (I don't think) and it looks identical to the keyboard for the Amiga 1500 its sitting on top of, apart from being black and having a mini-din connector. There's a thought - the wired mouse connector looks identical to the Apple ADB port......anyone know if I could use a 2-button Kensington Mac mouse? Got one floating around somewhere....heh..... > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:37:24 -0400 > From: Curt Vendel <curt(a)atari-history.com> > Subject: Re: NeXT slabs, recent finds and a request > > Hi Adrian, > > Sure, I'd be happy to ship one, I'd highly recommend > shipping by boat, > no air as it'll cost into the hundreds. Do you want a monitor? (its > actually a necessity since the keyboard/mouse plug into the > monitor and the > monitor cable plugs into the slab and also takes its power > from the slab.) > > Let me know and I have no problems lugged down two boxes (1 cpu, 1 > monitor) to the post office for you. Yes please; slab/monitor/kbd/rodent and I agree about the boat shipping - I haven't got any spare arms and legs to pay for airmail :) Actually, you could probably ship it to my gf's sister in Providence, RI 'cos she's coming over here next month and might be able to bring it with her since her bf's a pilot! > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:50:43 +0100 (BST) > From: "M.Buckett" <M.Buckett(a)dcs.hull.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: NeXT slabs, recent finds and a request > > Hi, > If your prepared to ship to the UK I would be very interested > in getting a > slab, monitor, keyboard and bits if there are still some going. > How much do expect shipping by boat to the UK will be? and > how long will it take? 4-6 weeks and probably round the $30-$50 mark I'd guess...... > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:34:10 -0500 > From: "McFadden, Mike" <mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu> > Subject: Re: just outta curiosity > > Being a kid is a state of mind. I know a few 17 year old > adults and a few 40 year old kids. I'm a (nearly) 34 year old kid :) > I consider myself a kid because I sit on the floor when I take apart > computers, I stand on my head in containers/dumpsters pulling > out computers, > I occasionally look like a dust bunny/dirt devil after > crawling around a warehouse. Check! > My kids think I'm a kid or crazy because I talk > to the computers when I'm taking them apart. Check! > Kids also get excited when they get new toys, and that's me > when I've found a new computer. I don't get excited per se since I haven't been excited about anything for 10 years or so, hence the Prozac I'm on now and the past tendency to want to jump off tall buildings (over that now, fortunately :) but I DO get a sense of satisfaction that it's another machine that's been saved that I'll eventually get time to play with. > Maybe I'll go back to school when my kids are in college and > teach kids. > Actually my goal is to be able to work/play on interesting projects. Check! My daughter's school has expressed an interest in bringing the kids round to see the museum when its in some sort of order since they're all PeeCee based apart from a couple of Beebs and the odd Mac. She thinks its great that I've got a couple of Colour Classics now since that's what she uses at school! Right. Back on me head :) -- Adrian Graham MCSE/ASE/MCP C CAT Limited Gubbins: http://www.ccat.co.uk (work) <http://www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk> (home) <http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (The Online Computer Museum) 0/0

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27C020's :)

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

YAY!!!!! I found a local wholesaler that offered to sample me out 2 of the chips I need :) I will definately be buying repair componants for systems from them from now on :) I LOVE a company that goes out of their way to provide customer service :) I also found a source for 11 of them in a tube for $12.00 plus shipping, he ahs 7 tubes :) i think I'll be getting a few of these since sparc 2's, ipc's ipx's and Sparc 10's all use those for their ROMs...

25 years, 3 months

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Looking for Les Solomon

by vcf＠siconic.com

Does anyone have any contact information for Les Solomon of Popular Electronics fame? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

25 years, 3 months

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Atari 520ST up for grabs in Maryland

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's a boxed Atari 520ST with all the trimmings. Looking for a new home. Please reply to the original sender. Reply-to: <fmstef(a)earthlink.net> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:31:54 -0400 From: Frederick Steffens <fmstef(a)earthlink.net> Subject: Atari 520ST Hi: I have an Atari 520ST with software, a color monitor and original packing. Also included is manuals and other software, mostly games. I would like to give this computer to a good home, rather than trashing it. Let me know if you have an interest. Thanks, Fred Steffens --- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

25 years, 3 months

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Where to find 44pin edge cards/ 6502 d/l freeware

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that THETechnoid(a)home.com may have mentioned these words: >MIght try www.atari.org. They have links to the common suppliers of >obsolecent Atari gear. Including development boards and the like. > >Wish I could remember all of them, but: > >BravoSierra is one, B&C Computervisions is another, and there are a couple >of others that escape my perforated memory. Acid is not a good thing for >your long-term memory.... > >Regards, > >Jeff Those are good suggestions, but IMHO the atari dealers get kinda expensive... the 44-pin slots were actually quite standard, and are available from www.jameco.com & *prolly* (but don't quote me) from www.bgmicro.com. Jameco also has the 44-pin edge proto boards, which might be handy if you like to do homebrew electronics. These guys carry a lot of older things, but they don't (usually) want an arm & leg from you... Another good place to try is www.mouser.com - I'm not affiliated with them other than a very satisfied customer... Jameco wants a $5.00 "processing fee" for orders under $50.00, so you might want to browse the catalog for other stuff they carry... HTH, Roger "Merch" Merberger (Oh, Jeff - I did get your email, but things have been crazy over the winter - I have quaffed a few ales with your brother (and he likes my homebrew... ;-), he only lives a few miles from me.) -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

25 years, 3 months

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Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chris Kennedy <chris(a)mainecoon.com> > >You screwed up the attribution. This wasn't me -- I did the wing loading >calcs to refute it :-) > Sorry, too many layers of indirection. Allison

25 years, 3 months

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Looking for Hayes LANStep

by chronic＠nf.sympatico.ca

Does anyone out there have a copy of this? I remember using it all the time when my school had a nice, respectable computer network and not the Windows NT garbage they have now. I loved the interface, not the best looking thing around but real user friendly and all. If anyone has a copy, let me know. -Lanny

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Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chris Kennedy <chris(a)mainecoon.com> > >> Since the US plane is larger and slower than the Chinese fighters it >> would be effected more by the turbulence. The effect of turbulence is based on wing loading and wingspan. the E-3 having greater wingspan is less impacted as the figher wake is more localized. Further international flight rules stipulate that the faster and more maneuverable plane (fighter) MUST give way to the slower (E-3). >There's a bunch of problems with the Chinese claim that the EP-3 >made a sudden roll and thus caused the contact: Even if that were the case the fighers position was such that he would be invisible to the larger E-3. >- The photo evidence of the damage isn't consistent with running > into another airplane. The prop tips are munched, but the props > are still attached to the gearboxes and the gearboxes and engines > didn't depart the airframe. The damage is more consistent with > colliding with birds -- or debris. It was a close miss, likely the props did some nasty chewing on the fighter. Those mounts and gearboxes are very robust on that bird. >- The radome is missing. I'm at a loss to explain how the radome > got ripped off the aircraft by contact on the wing -- especially > given that the fuselage forward of the wing root doesn't appear > damaged. Flying peices from the contact could be a factor. >It looks more like the Fishbed was trying to bump the Aries (which >essentially consists of passing under the Aires with a delta of >about +200 knots and pulling vertical) and wasn't up to the task. >The empennage collided with the radome, peeled the radome and part of >the empennage off and the Aires in turn plowed through the debris field. Likely. One common maneuver to rattle the slower bird is pass from the low and behind and pull up and infront crossing the path of the slower aircraft. Mistiming can be very bad. >Like saying that _he_ gave the downed pilot permission to bail out? >Since when does wing give lead permission to do anything (the usual >job of wing is to tuck in tight, shut up and listen to guard) -- or >was the surviving pilot lead, in which case what was the wingman doing >in a position where the only way he could collide with the Aires >would have been if the Aires went into Beta thrust? Exactly. Inconsistant stories. Add to that the chinese pilots do not get the air time the US pilots do and have less proficientcy. Allison

25 years, 3 months

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OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> >The operable variables are: Method of Propulsion - wind power stays on >course, motors maneuver. Size: The smaller vessel is generally the more >maneuverable and is obliged to do so. Very so for aircraft. it has more depth as there are blimps, choppers, sailplanes but the rule is basically the same everywhere. >There are other rules as well, but these two suit this situation very >nicely. Fast, jet powered fighter aircraft can and should avoid colliding >with butt slow prop-driven piglike aircraft. Really, that is the first >duty of any fighter pilot after taking off and before landing. The rest >is trying to SHOOT down the bad guys. Ramming them is not nearly so >effective, as our Chinese friends have learned. It's a result of serious pilot error on the part of the figher pilot. Allison

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Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>From: "Eric J. Korpela" <korpela(a)ellie.ssl.berkeley.edu> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:48 AM >Subject: Re: Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.) > > >> > - The radome is missing. I'm at a loss to explain how the radome >> > got ripped off the aircraft by contact on the wing -- especially >> > given that the fuselage forward of the wing root doesn't appear >> > damaged. >> >> I've assumed that the missing radome was part of the "landing >>preparations" if you know what I mean. Far from likely, the dome it self is just a RF transparent window and all the goodies, radar antenna and bits, are mounted to the aircraft. The seperation like for a contact would be clean as the dome is removeable with ease for maintenace on the equipment behind it. Besides the dome leaving would likely contact other parts of the plane on the way past doing significant damage. What I can't figure is why the figher pilot didn't punch out unless his path was such that his canopy was scraped off taking him with it. Allison

25 years, 3 months

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goodbye / giveaway

by nemo＠net.house.cx

I've not been active on this list, but circumstances force my hand and I must depart. I also want to clear my rooms of stuff that's filling my place. I have a Tektronix 4012 terminal (vaguelly working - the screen lights up) to anyone who wants it and can pick it up. I'm in Canberra, Australia. I've got a few other items around that might be of interest to people. Some Xterminals (not actually 10 years old, but still older than most people want to know about) and WYSE terminals. (one that works, one that is probably fixable, and one that probably isn't) You'll have to email me directly if you're interested. <nemo(a)net.house.cx> cheers... .../Nemo

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